3.12.2025 IBB Work Session of the LJSD Board of Trustees

001so we can go ahead and get started um it's 6:03 if you want to go ahead and start recording now trusty's on his way um so we go ahead and uh get this party started let's just uh rise for the forge of Allegiance I to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice this is a work session but we do have an agenda so can I get a motion to approve it so move a motion in a second all in favor say I any oppos hearing none the motion carries so we are going to move on into [Music] discussion on the 2425 negotiated agreement um Jason brought it to the board that you wanted to get started uh

002that we wanted to enter into these um processes correct not yet not yet he's bringing it to the April meeting the request to start officially we take I April just so we don't money right which great okay so what would what would we like to riew tonight then I thought this this is your time to talk about what you guys are hoping to okay if there's any questions so that's kind of why so it's not official IB it's just I mean who called the meeting that's what I want to know now I'm confused how did we get this we we asked the board if we wanted to do an IBB workshop and the board said yes so we scheduled an IBB Workshop but this was supposed to be the board having not and I'm not

003saying that anybody else should be excluded but this was supposed to be the board having a conversation about the things that we really wanted to send our board representative to the IBB meetings with was my understanding of why we were having this Workshop y going to go through the go through the negotiated agreement and um identify those things that that we you you want us to focus on this year okay then I'll open it up just for discussion from the board members I mean I'm with Jason I don't have anything I mean I don't know what we would bring without having money in a budget and knowing where I mean the whole thing I mean I just don't I think we're a little premature in the whole well I I hear what you're saying trusty

004gr I do think that it is kind of problematic if we don't have some boundaries and then whether the levy fails or whether the levy passes and then we're in this crunch time with budget and if we don't have boundaries set for IBB and everyone's just pushing and pulling I don't think we're going to be productive whatsoever so and I don't I mean in the past we've had you know where broke gets panicked because we need to have certain deadlines met we've got Jessica who has certain deadlines that have to be met so I do think um having a conversation about various components within the negotiated agreement maybe getting a better understanding of why we are where we are with the negotiated agreement um some things that we really should consider uh modifying um I

005think that would be something fair to have a conversation on at this point in time and one of the things that uh Lis and her team and I have been kind of work on throughout the weeks is um or these past few weeks is just the what if scenar if the levy doesn't pass what are we looking at uh the possibility of a riff what are we looking at do we have numbers you know things like that so I didn't I didn't know if that's kind of what the board was you know hoping to like maybe accomplish to like look at those differences and numbers or is there something in the negotiating agreement that you know has been paining your guys side and and this is your meeting I mean so I told my group

006is you know we're just kind of here to listen and if you guys need clarification that's you that's kind of why we're here we're okay we're not here in defense mode we're here in let's let's work together if you guys have questions as to why things are the way they are what do you think our members would you know well then I think given that um we have to move forward with two budgets one with a passing Levy one with a non-p passing Levy I think our perspective should then be to negotiate agreements one that's conditioned on the passage of the levy one that's a situation if the levy does not pass do you think that that is feasible or do you think that we shouldn't do that we should just wait and see and

007then go from there it's a really tough one because I mean I'm okay if the levy passes if it doesn't pass and we go into a state of emergency then there's things that we have to the our side our side would or the Lea would have to agree on as far as you can't just open up the negotiated agreement and and negotiate everything it's only salaries and benefits in that case anything else in that negotiated agreement like you know I've heard I've heard like if we go to you know if there is a possibility of going to a 4- day week then maybe we would lose prep times or even if we do lose 11 we'd lose prep times well something like that that's negotiate agreement that can't be that can't be discussed until our

008side you know or until the Lea agrees to that who told you that you that's been a discuss nobody it's just just we've just been throwing out options you know no no please don't get me wrong I'm not saying that that's what it happened we're just trying to come up with all the what if scenarios if that Levy fails and we're out $9.5 million and half still puts us in emercy situation so even if this Levy passes we do not have the funds to continue 100% where we were um even if this Levy passes the bottom line is is we're going to have to cut more money because we're going to have to figure out something where two years down the road we're not in the same predicament again you know so it's got to

009come from somewhere um and I do know the one thing that the has you know went back and forth with is all the siphons um and a lot of that's been absorbed or taken out or whatever over the years and I think that's probably something else I know that um we probably look at and you know anybody jump in you have something else but I st by what we talked about or you know because the bottom line is is we have to come up with money somewhere we're still 2 million short or whatever it is this amount and the Lea has been saying you know because we we always hear all the time that we're paying we're paying more than the state lot better right we're pay more state so so yeah it's been a

010common understanding that we're through attrition we've been trying to get to those numbers so that we can balance those scales a little bit that's kind of been the goal it's actually been the Lea's recommendation for the last couple of years that you know we get to that number because you know it just it's not that the state doesn't pay us for number of Staff okay it's not that when we look at it the state doesn't pay us for a 15 head count no what it is is they say here's your 15 head count at 10,000 right but we paid 20,000 that's the problem and it's based on the number of students so I mean all that stuff right right but even but even still when the state gives the district the money for the staff

011the the problem is what we pay P versus uh what we receive right right so well it's a combination of the two it's the number of don't of Staff as well as what right we are paid so it's not just one one to one at a discount rate or understand that the majority of the thing because I've already had questions about the number on the levy the 25 teachers so I've had to try and explain to people that it's not a head count of 25 teachers it's an it's it's an equal of it's not average salary yeah exactly right but people are thinking so that's all I'm trying to do is trying to get everybody on this the same page and just be honest and open because we're in a bad spot and everybody keeps

012tiptoeing around it but it's where we're at you know so what are we going to do the bottom line is is we we got to stop the bleed because nobody's given us the money you know and we would all pitch in our own or try and fix it or whatever but there's I mean it is where we're at um so anyways back to the negotiate agreement I just feel like that's without knowing how many you know how much money we're going to have and who can we pay and who can we keep well the governor thrown around you know another 5% for certified staff and but that 5% is money that they were already getting they're just moving it out of math and science and professional development and putting it into this 5% raise we're

013giving to staff so they're robbing Peter to pay Paul it's not new money and that's what really scares me this Levy it's a horrible time because you know what the papers are going to do and the comment the rhetoric will be well govern little gave you 5% for all your teachers and we're still you know trying to cut you know but we I think we that's some falls on us a little bit we have to make sure that that gets out there I think and we're trying we're trying to get that retoric out there can you help me understand why our salary schedule for extracurricular coaches um is the way it is as far as well as far as like a head varsity coach regardless of the sport is paid a percentage same with assistant

014um and then we've got per percentages as you go down the line of of extracurricular activities um not necessarily sports but it's my understanding that you know we should be affording a coach based on the amount of time that the commitment within that sport is when we have a coach with maybe five or six uh athletes being paid the same amount as a coach with 50 60 kids it's disparaging and why do we think that that's okay there's this is a huge animal we gosh since I've been involved in in this type of setting whether it was vice president or president or even just just a member we we've been tossing these around all the time it it's an animal because you you don't think of everything so like you think okay here's an example

015so the track coach you think well the track coach has they could have 100 20 athletes out there right then you got to also think you got how many coaches they have so so you got to you got to find out numbers of responsibility to that person you also have to take time of practice that it Tak you know um and none of that stuff is really Equitable sport to sport to okay we did look at it we've been saying for years we need to you know put a committee together to really to really dive into it to see what is the best because we do agree that yeah some sports probably put in more time than other sports um but when you really start getting into the weeds of of it and breaking it

016down it's very difficult to do well I guess my um caution is you said we've talked about doing a committee but we've not done that okay we we did go a couple years ago two or three years ago you guys we have a coup people Bill Channon were on it we put it together and we started looking at time and and I think we came that we came out with a pretty good system as far as you know um when to add another coach based on numbers and so we we had a thing comp able to that we did look at at the numbers um feel Prett but that was never spelled out or put into the negotiated agreement I think that's where our situation is just because it's hard doesn't mean that we shouldn't

017do it and no and we do I do have all of that stuff it was never put in I don't believe it was ever put into the negotiated agreement no it wasn't we never got to the point where we were where we had to do it we just let we let the athlet it was kind of decision and we let the athletic directors know that this is kind of when you would want to hire another coach that that document we have I think what Michelle talking about the other work that's not in the negotiation well the hardest part to break down is your coach is still going to give a pretty similar amount of time whether they have the five athletes or the 75 athletes the general the general amount of time they're there is

018why isn't it true well because if you go to a wrestling tournament for 3 days you're put in 3 days out of town you're sleeping in a hotel you're standing on your feet for 8 to 10 hours a day but a lot of those other coaches do things that are taking them 12h hour days and taking them on long trips too I'm saying though the season is not the same for all sports either I mean golf is what a month long we did look into that that's it's all summer they go to the seasons are I actually have all that I had all that I have all that information that that I can bring how many kids wrl wrestling and JD merity team and and pack they had up Cuts this year so the winter

019the winter sports are longer like basketball has one of the longest season of everybody and so everyone's like well they should be paid more because they have a longer season but they also have a two we Christmas break in there where they're not required to practice do they practice yes don't get me wrong you basketball coaches out there but they're not required to practice and they're not putting in those same amount of hours that they would be normally of school is in session so with that that's why the committee came up with the say that then that percentage really is equal because you know Jason didn't we look at um what uh kind of how post is organized we we looked across the state and how everybody does it and and we compared the numbers

020and um what we really didn't get into that we wanted to do was the time aspect Dave was to find out you know I wanted to find out length of practices and that's kind of where I made the track example where where track those kids are specific tied to specific athletes they can go in they can get their job done they're done in an hour where if you take baseball or or the other they're out 2 and 1 half hours every night you know because that's what it takes to get that job so when you look at the time in practices but then the track coaches argue just like you were saying with wrestling all day long they had a you they're leaving at 6:00 in the morning 5: in the morning and they're gone

021all day long on an event so it kind of evens out then and so that's where the whole group we had we had coaches from every level both middle school and secondary we had two administrators in those meetings and we all came to that consensus that what we have in the negotiated agreement is really pretty fair here's the thing with that and that's why I say we're back to the levy if the levy doesn't pass we get no money from the state for sports which means we have no sports right 100% you know so that's that's what we're looking at honestly we we're looking at if the levy doesn't fail because and again this is our state's problem and it's a bigger argument but the fight is with the state the state needs to give

022our Public Schools money for sports they don't Washington does Washington gives their their they allocate money for sports and all of their coaches are on a budget depending on what it has and they know exact I'm good friends with the West Valley head baseball coach his annual budget is $27,000 that he gets to spend on baseball every single year and that money comes from the state how does uh boners and PRI River fund their Sports if they they haven't passed the levy forever they this year the they went to a pay to play and they've already said that they they can't do that they they PRI server had some awesome donors that went out and funded I think they got over $400,000 and uh you probably heard they're already going to run a for 4.6

023million because those same donors said I'm sorry just can't this yeah and they're trying to get more donors right now but they just can't do it the superintendent said that the superintendent meeting last month that if the levy doesn't pass pre server won't passs next year they've made that decision just because they can't it's just too much of a a problem they they've also had quite a few lawsuits that they're fighting right now as well with with the pay to play I don't know the specifics on that but I did talk to title you have to well and it's it you know we heard the other night that you know in real life bless their heart real life I believe has stepped up and said they'd like to sponsor some athletes if they can't afford

024pay to play and and that's wonderful but how are you going to pick those athletes and you're going to tell someone else to stay home and and so that's another in my opinion that's another losty weight to happen um so how how do you pick those I'm all I'm all for thinking outside the box but I just think the way it sits right now I mean if our our community knows that on this Levy that we don't get any money for sports um they know what they're voting for and if they vote no I think Sports have to go away and and I'm a sport guy through and through I mean I dedicated 25 years of my life coaching you know 23 yeah so iar you so with this with this coaches we we just

025don't have much for expectations either to me that's Administration problem that's that's where the ABS and I think they've come a long way in the last few years but I think it's the athletic directors and administration they need to make sure if they're going to pay all of these people 15 and we had that we had that discussion with them in those meetings and even after we talked about approving that document that they were supposed to make sure that it was pretty Equitable to and they're also um they do the ads and coaches they do do evaluations on the coaches too they don't have descript job descriptions and anything else those are based on Charles danelson and all that as well it's the other thing that came up in that conversation is just the amount

026of workload for the ABS in comparison look at the two high schools and the two middle schools so the supervision components of that just because there's more teams more kids more coaches so I don't think that I don't know if the I don't think the negotiated agreement I think it addresses the coaching but not the ad portion of that how's track operate so do they have a head coach they have a head coach one head coach and then one head coach and I six or seven I don't have have like yeah a assistance and like some they're mandated like you must have a dedicated Pall you must have a dedicated javelin's back and so like there's some rules that you have to adhere to that you must have people and then there's like distance coaches

027from coaches and then the a0s have a they do have a document that they run off of and we can provide that document um if the number grows so if they get more track athletes then then they'll know the number and they then they can to get another much higher for I just don't understand why it's in negotiated agreement when a lot of coaches aren't even employees of the district that's only been the last 10 years or so used to be they were all in there yeah it used to be used to be all the co it used to be never had any volunteer Co you might have volunteers but it all coaches used to always come from school districts um historically this the negotiated agreement in Lakeland um has been strictly about salary and

028benefits so because this is a salary for um a a position that they're actually getting a supplemental contract for um it's it's lined out in the negotiated agreement because it's it it's there's a salary attached to it I don't remember it not being in the negotiated agreement has it been in the negotiated agreement as long as you've been around coaches coaches yeah yeah much more elaborate now than but so so is everything 27 years for me it's been there we've I think we've worked pretty hard to keep that the focus of the negotiated agreement too some districts have very large Master contracts where every part every aspect of a teacher's day is detailed in the negotiated agreement which makes it it makes it very difficult for districts to be able to Pivot when they need

029to Pivot because of financial situations or there things that are happening within the district in this District we've we have always try to just keep it to salaries and benefits and keep the the other kind of a lot of the working condition kinds of things out and then we just have built a relationship with the Lea so that we meet with them regularly and as concerns come up we we brainstorm and solve those so they don't need to be in here so and then you see those percentages to 15.5% so that's not off of our teaching salary schedule that's off of it's a negotiate agreement right I that's right off the Bas right so no that I understand um it just what is I mean what do you guys have ideas what is what are

030what are your thoughts on on well in all fairness in looking at this not understanding the spectrum of cost I mean we just finally were given a dollar amount as to what sports or Athletics and co-curriculars actually cost this District um and without I mean it's it's hard for me to comprehend that it's $1,800 a player to play across the board unilaterally every single sport um I'm not saying that's not accurate it's just hard for me to comprehend that when everything's based off of our percentage and you don't know I mean you don't know what you don't know and without that information it's hard to go well you know we need to cut it down to this or we need should be increased up to that I mean you don't have the information real I

031think Jess you tell me if I'm wrong but I think what you did for the 1800 is you took how much we spent on Athletics how much it cost how much coaches have and how many athletes we have and came up with the number um Chelsea was gracious enough to put all that information together I'm pretty sure that's right but um I haven't looked at it in a little bit so so yeah there's yeah that and to me that's yeah that's which means that a kid who's running cross country which cost us not that much money is helping to pay for all the kids that play football which cost us a lot of money right which which isn't very Equitable either no it's not but not having an understanding of yeah but you can't as

032a school district charge the cross country kid $100 on the football kid $4,000 either not do that either well because it has to be Equitable across everything you have to keep it I mean if you want to play there's a cost to everything well the 1800s to pay three all everything right it's to do it all it's to it's all it's all really yeah which I think in my opinion and I'm not a legal guy but I would think I think I it's just hard to know if my kid's playing one sport and this guy's playing three Sports so I I think there's it but I don't know what the legalities are that we have heard from attorneys that pay to play is like every attorney's dream because because of this exact discuss open to

033a in this day and age everybody's lawsuit happy the bottom line is it's where we're at and we're just going to have to Barrel through it because we don't have a choice right you know we can keep coming back and saying well we're going to get sued we're going to have this happen we're going to have that happen we have to figure it out together and we're just going to have to deal with the consequences we're going to have to do what works for the district yeah if the levy fails that's the conversation we're going to have to I mean so I don't know that there's any budget talks that we could talk about right now though with any of that unfortunately the legislation legislative session hasn't ended won't end until March second the state

034legislature um and the state department of education has been very clear that they won't even release special distributions or anything to us until probably the first week of April so I I'm just waiting on information at this point we're getting everything ready to go so that when we once we get it we can we can pull the trigger on everything but I I can't even begin to guess we've got two different competing bills for the weighted average funding I mean there there's so many things that are up in the air it's not been a great session for public education so it's just really difficult to determine where they're going to land at this point I think the best thing we can do for our community is to take line by line even though we like

035to call it discretionary then that's other thing that's so frustrating when the legislators when you talk to them it's not discretionary when they vote they vote for a specific line item by the time it gets to the state the state interprets goes oh everything below this is discretionary well that's not what the legislator said so I think the best thing we can do for our community is do that line by line and show them where we spent the money you know here's what we spent here's the deficit you know they don't really know that all they know is that when they read District information and they read what's on the state it doesn't match so I think we need to fix the discrepancy so that we can say um because my my other concern and

036thinking about IBB and I just had this conversation with somebody is when we have teachers who are used to an extra $10,000 a year or whatever $5,000 a year in stiens and they come to a point to where if they're not going to get that they can't they can't stay you know and I I'm trying to figure out how we get how we fix that you know that's really in thinking about the negotiated agreement in the sun because families depend on the extra money you know and for some of us that's not extra money it's actually part of our Sal well well I mean extra money as far as the agreement what the state from the public is extra money so I understand what you're saying but that's the way they view it because it's

037not like the state doesn't say here's a stien for this here's so the public when they look at it they say oh you're giving them this extra money so and I know it's not that's why I say that's my concern because the families have to have it you know so how do how do we fix that I don't know until we have I don't know you can I mean every school district in the state and well little by little they're starting to not do it so because I will say we do report out exactly on special distributions it's a required publication we actually have to post it in the paper um we requested it right when the levy did pass that Ido code um right so we do report out on that um and it's

038it's hard because the state gives us they do give us some discretionary funding it's about $9 million half of it is earmarked for health insurance so Health Vision Dental we have to use that to help support our our contribution to the employee sharing those benefits the other half is truly discretionary but if you think about it that discretionary is what pays utilities it pays the difference between what we pay and what the state gives us for salary based apportionment it pays for the minimal supplies that we're able to buy um so it's it's discretionary in that sense but it's not we and then we have the whole special distributions which is what the legislator says okay here's your math remediation money or here's your math and science here's your literacy funding those are considered special

039distribution so I have no problem highlighting that it's not as clean as you think it would be to say this is coming directly out of here because that's not how the money comes in um because it it does all come in a salary based support not saying that's where it came from what I'm saying is for instance the the talk that we had and this sort of is around was sort of got off the thing but I just thinking like the talk that we had about the counselors the money is if the if the public does a foyer request from the state there is a line item yep and I have the detail that says right that says you know blah blah blah whatever it was College and Career Readiness right so then the public

040looks at our stuff and says okay well where you know where is it going well here's our counselors and you know here's this amount of money and here's double what we spent because we have whatever or whatever we don't have enough that's all I'm saying it's it's not a matter of that the other thing with the with the negotiated agreement I think I'm not sure that we we started one year um and some of it looked like it got done but naming the S Council and all that did we put that in this one like who's it it references all these extra councils or this or that but they're not named like who is that she's talking about the sickly Bank oh for well the board appoints to and then the um association association appoints

041to and I think the appointed persons are not in the negotiated agreement but we do appoint them in a meeting okay I just know we had talked about that and I never knew we got back to it so was trying to some of that it's an annual appointment it is so it's for a year so just help me understand kind that's and here's two days so feel free to chime in but so we have so we have our certified salaries which we're making um so are you saying then I mean you you correct me if I'm wrong but you say you don't like that we give the extra statements right so how do you what is what is your thinking on then how do you pay for coaches do you put that in the salary

042schedule well you you've done that in the negotiated agreement there is a salary schedule for coaches and we do we do kind of flip back and forth because if it is truly a supplemental contract should be identified as a supplemental contract not stien because I think that would calm people down because stien is just like the ugly word yeah we just don't but I guess I'm just trying to say are you guys saying then do you think that the coaches should just be working because that's they're they're already getting paid his salary and it's part of their their job or I I guess I'm confused as to you say the state doesn't give us money which they don't they don't give us extra they do give us discretionary funds that we can allot to it

043um no they don't but but how are we supposed to pay those the law is very very straightforward and it explicitly says that sports are an extra thing they're not you do not get there's no money coming from the taxpayers for the sports um okay are you saying that because of that the district shouldn't be paying money for sports no I never said that and I never said anything about I'm trying to give your head speak I feel like I'm hearing a couple of different things like what I think you're how are you a lot no well that's why I'm asking how are you thinking coaches should be paid or well I don't know I don't have any money yet to say give the coaches this much money no I'm just saying in your in

044in your head right now in a perfect world if we didn't have a negotiated agreement how would you pay coaches where the funds come from or if they should get paid to do a job are are you asking me are you honestly asking me if I think someone should work for without PID is that what you're asking me don't ask me that question I have never sat and said so much work without pay no no and I'm not accusing you and no I I think you're taking it as a negative I'm just like I said I'm just trying to understand I guess what you guys are thinking I mean I mean like the wrestling LEL fun our coach I'm sure of it but um you know they'll probably fun their whole season but then they're

045going to go well it's not fair to go for whoever else and you got to pay for them too yeah you know um do they have enough money to do that like the Ben officials and I know like baseball officials I was running officials the officials were the most they were they were about $155,000 season and that I think we need to jack I don't think we need to jack it up really high but I think like okay my old high school they charged 90 bucks for first sport 60 bucks for each additional sport and then it goes down the line you know is that current or that was yeah that's current and and where's this at in Montana but I don't think they they passed L either and Caldwell calwell went to it and

046it was like a 100 bucks a sport or something like that and they season they do the same for baseball in Montana but baseball's not sanctioned so they do it all summer so they start very May and summer so they can kind of get away with that way but but what in those districts da when they're doing that the district is still subsidizing Athletics right well I'm just saying it it it would just help district offset everything like get buses and stuff right and referees and everything else you know so that the district's not bearing the full burden right so even if the consider doing alternative transportation and things of that nature so we're already trying to offset the costs for our sporting I mean we have kids that are self transporting and parents are

047self transporting so we're already trying to make those cuts to offset those so I mean it's not like with local districts also do it um post balls has a Athletics fee um that's separate from their ASB fee so they charge I think at $75 per sport up to three sports or something like that and after the third sport you could play as many as you want and they don't charge you again but I believe that's what it is I could double check but it's not unheard of to have an ASB fee and an athletic fee um it's just not going to generate million I'm not I'm pretty sure that this community would I mean I I just thought about we'll just go to the 10,000 voters that said yes and said give us 300 bucks

048and we just those 10,000 plus two voters come and vote Yes on May 20 we don't have to worry about it that's true we do still continue to because that still is only going to take us two years right right unless the state pass I do think it is worthwhile to consider adding a a fee for athletics absolutely absolutely I mean because everything keeps going up you know absolutely the reps are outrageous transportation and even if you get gate fees it still doesn't cover most of gate concession that sponsorships it it really it's just a drop in the bucket compared to especially if we want to be competitive with some of even our local areas um so I I definitely think it's worth consideration and what about about what about like the all the club

049or I mean I'm talking like the high school select teams that use our facilities is there any way that we could really bump up those so we did bump up those and we've gotten a ton of push back IDE well they're not even using our facilities because we we've priced them out so the ones that are using we have a tournament going over the high school right but like for yeah but we've lost some we've lost some of them so we been there lately but not everybody's and and Dave tell me the the pro you guys you guys have you guys do an amazing job as far as your your little wrestlers and your Club um I don't the problem I can speak for baseball the problem with baseball is we have little league that

050runs it and so I don't have the same opportunity to draw those kids because I compete with little league that does it for free right you know and so they're right there and so it would be hard for me if I didn't have little Le don't have a yeah I can do the same thing so again that's good for wrestling you know how's that Equitable for the wrestling you like I said it's a big animal and I want to say I mean well I think we should start it sound like I only say that because I am so tired when I'm just trying to work out something and somebody says something and then I repeat it when and then it goes back to the public I said something else and it's just not the case

051and I'm just done with it all I mean I've done nothing but try and do good for the district the whole time I've been here even though people don't see that um and there's a lot of stuff I've done that you know nobody knows I was the one behind it and I'm just I'm just tired of it we are where we are nobody wants to talk about the hard stuff everybody wants to put their head the S and just move forward the bottom line is is every year it gets worse and every year it gets harder and at some point we have to start we we just have to start doing the hard stuff so that's what I'm trying to get you say so what's your what is your what are you thinking what's your

052solution for well I won't know until the ly pass the bottom line is is we're going to have to do something with this negotiated agreement and whatever money is going out um whatever money is is going out in salaries and benefits but to tell you the truth I'm perfectly honest I don't hear in the community that our teachers make too much maybe couple our community doesn't like what we pay Administration that's where the problem is our community hardly I mean there's some sometimes that will say something about a teacher here or there but I I really to be honest don't hear about teachers I hear about admin I hear about counselors I hear about coaches I hear about I never hear about a teacher well that's good you know and and I just don't I

053don't hear you know down then there might be a book God forbid right or something but I I don't hear our community loves our teachers they really do um all across the board even those that vote no um so when it comes to the negotiate agreement yeah we're going to have to trim some fat right and we're going to have to we're just going to have to do a better job of being honest with the community and we're just not doing that we're not l like I mean you mentioned so the association can't negotiate for right exactly any administ or class any class stff so so that's right so this as far as this is until we know what the state's doing again I mean that's mine I mean there's farther people here but right

054and and cleaning it up so that when somebody that's not familiar with the lingo reads it they're like what is that well who is this well you know or whatever so then maybe a suggestion would be so we we've been working on so I have a survey that's going to go out to all the members next week and it's always it always involves them about um what do you what's top on your priority list that you want us to bring up negotiating table what do you see and we give them some some examples of what it could look like and then we Sharon pointed out last week it's always really cool because we we give a line item that says other and they can they can come up with their own IDE or whatever and

055every year we find something that's really there's there's ideas out there that we would have never thought of but it comes so maybe a good thing for you guys to do would be do the same canvas yourselves and say you know you're talking about the negotia agreement talk about those scenarios what is what is it that you're looking at what what do you want to see and then maybe do the same thing if the levy fails what do you want to see if the levy passes what do you want to see and then come up with your you know a consensus on your group and then you can discuss it problem is is you guys can't meet as freely as we can without public but so I don't know how email works with all of

056you in that regard legality can you do a survey an individual survey to everybody um oh yeah we can do that and I think we did a survey we said we send a survey for something I don't remember but yeah we but you could do the same thing you could send and you know and then you could open it up for ideas and then it's just one board member doing it and again I don't know what the legalities are that so I might just blown smoke but that that's what I would recommend because until we know what's going to happen after April you know after the legislative session there's really nothing um Brooke I have a question for you on the Sens that we pay out because in a meeting um when we were talking

057about um the uh salaries whatnot for um Athletics you had said that it was salaries and benefits can you clarify that on stiens extra pay we are only paying payroll tax liabilities not other benefits correct the only benefits that we have to pay on stiens is we do have to pay Percy and we have to pay federal taxes we have to pay state we don't pay state taxes but the Social Security and the Medicare yeah you're typical um moving down to the Dual credit stens we have to look at that seriously um any income that's coming in from the Dual credit stien is just it's we're we're just laundering it it's a pass through um it can't be that way anymore because finding out that the instructors are receiving the bulk of the the monies

058but then when they need something that's falling back on the building to provide it that can't work that way anymore we shouldn't the district shouldn't have to go into a deficit for dual credit students um I know I know Le I know you met with the president are they they're doing something different with the funding aren't they or any that there's a um there there there's a stien for the the money for the teachers and then they are providing um dollars back to the district they are paying money back to the district kind of an offset of the overhead right for running the program um you could use it in essentially for supplies however it's meant to help cover the cost of us paying out the stiens and having the program and all that stuff

059well part of that too is it's not just the teachers you know the counselors that are working to oversee those kids and and we the way we have the Dual credit stien set up the teachers get 77% of the revenue that they generate and the other 23% is what helps us pay the the counselor stiens um the intention from the from Ni Jason for that money coming to us is um what they really wanted to do was instead of instead of paying the senss to the teachers in order to help the school districts because we're all struggling with with levies was if Shannon uh teaches two of her six periods for Nic their their desire was that they would then reimburse us for onethird of her salary and benefits because if she were teaching for

060them you know she'd be paying and so um but that they I think they quickly realized that that was going to be a lot of money and so this was their um compromise I guess was the the teachers sens still come in for the teachers and then there's additional dollars that come to the district to help us because the reality for us is if we have a lot of teachers teaching dual Credit in our in our um master schedule um that sometimes leaves us with a need for a teacher to teach core classes to make sure kids are getting the credits that they need for graduation so it provides us opportunities to do that help support staff the goal is for C neutral is it still cost neutral um yeah yeah the way we have

061it written yes I was going to say when we originally negotiated for this and how we arrived at that weird number of 77% was in the that it was going to be cost neutral to the district um so is it just because the $3 per credit for the counselor wasn't going to bump that so I thought part of that money was supposed to be put in a fund somewhere for teachers to use for stuff like that is that just not happening or so the 77% essentially covers the stien and the benefits but no we pay our own benefits on those the Dual credit typen P our own benefits the yeah they don't get they don't get 77 and then on top of that then we like because it would have been more so we it's

062there 77% and then we take out the the benefits from that and so they they actually get whatever their benefits are less than what 77% of the snip is so they they're paying their own I will tell you based on our accounting of it everything that comes in goes out in salaries yeah interest okay so we that needs to be recalculated and figure out yes so that we're not just paying salaries and benefits absolutely out of that originally the intention of that was that that ex ra and that's why we it's the only Sten we as teachers pay our own benefits on so it's not like we get 77% we actually get close 50% of what we bring in um and that was the intention when that was originally written yeah that she's right I

063find that interesting that it's all going that you're saying that it does all go out in salaries absolutely all goes out in salaries I okay so there needs to be so the 77% is covering not just benefits they're not just salary it's covering salary and benefits yes that's the ENT yep so it's not that it's going to the instructor the 77% the 77% is being used to cover salaries and benefits that's what I was you're you're we're on the same Ag and that's what sh was saying not saying it the same way are you saying so is it still cost neutral it's it's lightly it's a tiny tiny bit above it's cost neutral with regard to salaries and benefits but when we have supplies supplies parts and again we had it increase in Percy the

064rate for teachers so that's made it that slightly slight I mean it's less than a couple hundred doar but it made it slightly not cost neutral because of that and then when you're not Covering Supplies like Lisa said um the bump wasn't made when the Percy increase was implemented so that's yeah I mean that's definitely one thing we need to we need to fix this perfect um what was sup are you fine with this conversation conversation that just happened is that the way you see it with the salaries and benefits or do you if you see something different I want to make sure that I just yeah I I mean if that I would like to see the math behind it and make sure like see because I feel like we felt like that was

065going to be and it's why we put it in as like a percent and it's based off a purely the amount of money I make sure that you guys are I can tell you you're not that's not ma in your head well I thought I'll agree with Shannon that because I I was proving to those conversations as well and and I know there was something when that that number came up that there would have to be something for supplies as well and so I don't know so it even said step three remaining dollars will supp Jess is how we did it at first but now we don't charge students for textbooks at all for that so that's that's why I'm saying I I think well it very well could be part of we have more

066and more kids all the time signing up for dual credit classes and if we're paying counselors $3 for every student that amount that we're paying counselors is going up so that's taking away what we may have had set aside for Supplies Plus the Percy Deb that should be a percentage as well not not a yeah a flat rate a flat rate and it's not per it's not per student it's it's per student per course so if you have a student who in three courses so then it's $9 for that kid right so to be fair the counsil it does require quite a bit of extra work for the council we also pay them for extra days for doing that too I hear you but I'm just saying originally when we were doing this we could

067realize just letting you know the history behind it we realiz pay them extra days anymore yeah we just the workload for them was considerably more so we felt like due to the fact that they were having an additional workload they deserved money because it was requiring them to do more work to get these kids in there as well that was just well I totally get that but just how percentages work you can't have a flat rate and expect everything to continue working out if the other side of the equation is a percentage and one is a flat rate it just it doesn't work it doesn't continue to work I was say but if a more kid signed up it's still that would be more money coming in because you get paid per student for credit

068so like I understand what you're saying a fixed Fe a percentage but I I I I wouldn't say it's the more kids signing up that's affecting it because that should actually be more money coming in so that should be I'd be curious what that $3 percentage is of being that was yeah and I don't even know honestly how we got to long done I can tell you where the disparity is okay um because I just thank you yep um we did used to pay the counselors extra days for registering our registering private school students in dual credit we stopped doing that and then they get instead because it was less expensive $150 per kid that they're doing because of all the meetings and conversations with parents and check they actually are checking in with Nic

069for those kids so those stiens are included on the spreadsheet even though we're not getting paid from Nic for the for that if that makes sense to so that's where the money for supplies is going Shannon is okay so the discrepancy is currently the money that we thought was going to be put aside for supplies is getting paid to counselors for signing up H school private school private school kids okay I sorry it just wasn't like to me that was when we did it it was all supposed to be Revenue neutral it was so I mean it's it's significant um amount of money uh for that so we signed is this something we're legally required to do a sign them up for dual credit no but we we have anou with with Genesis prep we're

070just we're trying to be good partners good neighbors good good whatever um so if I guess if we that's something we can look at as part of this negotiated agreement and maybe it doesn't maybe it's not right to have it in the Dual credit part where we're using the revenue from Nic and NNU to pay our instructors and maybe that needs to show up in a different place in the negotiated agreement for the counselors for that work so theou they don't pay us any money to going through us so we get nothing from Genesis PR for doing this no that's seems like where the funds should come from yeah think J should have to cover that when we did the we were led to believe that we were led to believe that it was going

071to make us money by having we do get some Ada for them um because because they're enrolled through us they're 100% in attendance because they don't come on campus to take the classes they n so at the state level they count as 100% attendance for us for the number of classes that they take so we get the fractional adaa for them so there is so there is revenue that comes that covers the cost of the which we were told was like 183,000 so that makes sense to me that why we were doing it right but I I do think for this to be cleaner we need we just maybe need to take it out of the Dual credit and have it as its own little piece if we're going to continue to do it and

072identify what we're going to pay the counselors for that work recognizing that that whatever we pay them is is covered by the Ada that they're generating for us by inol those kids because then have the money available for the supplies that they need and that would make the Dual credit program better better Revenue neutral for Lakeland School District and some that's the wasn't making sense to me um are you willing to bring back the new or additional assignments programs that were suspended for this year you have any idea about that I gu that's one of the things okay EXT so we have everything negoti agreement that's paid out for the extra duty but every year we for if a teacher has a great idea they're going do something extra C to pay out additional this

073princi all 34,000 sve to the teach on this you s it to everybody or only those uh just and how are the to be a member uh it's about can you not ask everybody I guess my thing in that I never understood because everybody held to this negotiated agreement Jo Association yeah but not everybody can6 month some people so well you consider some people don't especially when it comes to their vacation so curious negotiation you know not everybodys they just wondering why they're held under the agreement but they don't generally what we do is we'll send that out to our I send it out to no I I didn't I was just asking the question I we have quite people that are that benefited greatly for not being M things that our leadership has done

074so I think it's definitely a benefit to be a member but people who members have benefit greatly yeah I was just bringing up some I think part of it I don't know that but it's just that I think the thing was they didn't understand how the negotiating agreement for everybody they part of negotiation that's just part R when you were this goes back quite ways but I'm stuck on it because I want to clarify you said you're hearing discussions about coaches and extrap and admin were you talking about coaches pay or are you hearing stuff about oh when I hear when I hear stuff that's you might he about that's all I wanted yeah okay thank you under the class is for elementary teachers um you think it would be beneficial to remove because we

075got grades five and six and six is the middle school so I think sixth grade needs to be pulled out there I'm not sure if um the class sizes uh are CU in well think to change it I don't change it um given the policy K through 3 is is a max number of students of 204 and 5 is um would going K through three at 23 feasible or not Fe because your kindergarten and first grade is at 20 but we're bonusing we're not bonusing we're wrong word sorry we're paying for extra students whenever we reach 23 um over 23 so when we get to 24 but then grades 2 and three that's a Max of 20 then we're giving when they reach 27 there was a reason we did that I I want to

076say that it was about sometimes you just have a couple extra kids over what your number is but when it gets extreme have a pretty large number over it continu that's BEC a pretty big teacher every day why we put the numbers that's just it was like years ago can you tell me again those policy numbers so one the policy is uh 2240 and K through 1 is number of students 20 2 through 3 is 20 4 through 5 is 26 and I know there has been conversation backa to change those numbers um however they are in alignment with Thea um and I think you know we try to stick with that but as we are trying to cut money from our budget we have to be able to go 20 m in those classrooms

077um it's it's just um we're we're having higher teachers um when really don't need to have a teacher but because we're trying to stick with those numbers so ideal if in an Ideal World we're getting paid for things that think are important I would be all over staying at 20 because that is are those numbers from the policy what that's the St to those no now we get paid for kind we get paid once State recomends the number they punish you for having this the the number from St is 40 on my other computer uh the units that we were paid although it's at the state's pay level based upon the number of students that we had pass looking at all this is calculated exactly the same so I don't know how you can say

078that they're not paying based upon how many students in class because 223 ofid so be happy to sit down with you and walk you through all the of how we get essentially they I want you to tell me why would the number be different I don't want to sit down with you I want somebody to tell you why the number is different of how many students per class compared to what the state gave me through a forye request and when I put it against the statute and the IAA rules now the base the pay of course we pay much more but if you looked at the number of units and everything that we got it it was accurate so the so average daily attendance is how we get to our support so that's the report

079that I I be happy to email it to you if you like to see it I don't know what the state sent you but essentially we take our students average daily attendance based on the grade band that they're in we report that to the state they multiply it or divide it by the the factor so is to 40 so for every student that attends it's class size number is exactly the same so now pay more but not the No No I know I'm talking about the well I don't know I used all the numbers that I got from you for the to figure the class sies and they come up with it based on the statute yeah kindergarten Fact one teacher for 40 kindergartens because they fund is still bced on half time um the

080others are kind 1 first through 3 3rd 20 and the 18 so so that part other than kindergarten you're right the issue is it's the average daily tendance that plays that hav havoc on our members it's $2.7 million yeah for last year we lost 2.7 million it's basically a way for the CIO to never fully fund any school district ever because no one's ever going to have that's how they it's not their in that's why they put if they took the levy away we went back before the L then it would be but obviously with the levy system that is it they do not intend to fully fund school districts right beyond beyond their calculations so everything we try to do outside of that they the way they say it is well the community they

081vot for it I that was literally their words when they did it you know and when they they all kind of Sur aot research on that and all surveys according to them this is all people that time do all and it gave them a little more control schools they could they pay more money they could have better Sports betters everything and they wanted that ownership if they'll never do because they know it's fall on them come back do make sense the community most instances right we need add policy information to that also the class SES so that so are you guys are you you want to match that then what we have no that's not what I'm saying I'm say if anything if you're doing kindergarten first grade second third grade um kindergarten through third

082grade according to policy isn't the same class size it's fourth and fifth that have a different class size so I would think that if you want to maintain second and third at 26 you should combine grade fourth and 5ifth and maybe make those both um as opposed to 30 I don't know I seems like it be cheaper to the $50 per student per month and pay for all in the teacher M well that's something have to look at against your policy to policy needs to be red need to Beed policyed or there that no these are Target Pro AET superintendent you have is there a number out there or is it just collaboration if you teacher well I'm bringing class to the board four times per years so having this conversation as a you know

083a former first grade teacher um I know how how hard can first grade teacher work to right and there is an expectation kindergart first grade they're that's that's can be a Monumental task for some of the by the way kindergarten still not mandated that state right so um I yeah so we try to stay as close to that the 23 as we can um or below I I'm I'm not comfortable 25 first graders in the classroom to it's too many same with kindergarten um Second and um third the number actually for merit class sizes used to be 26 so at some point the state changed their recommendation because um it used to the Merit class sizes when we used to have to do accreditation at the elementary like um secondary has to do um we

084had to hit those Merit sizes and so um kindergarten first grade was 23 Second uh and third was 26 and then fourth through six was 28 and so those used to be the state Merit class sizes so in my mind that's where I I try to stay under those but we have situations right now I even when we try to stay under them you end up with bubbles because of the small neighborhood School model we have um and it it doesn't sense when you have two teachers at first grade for example with 24 kids now we're over 23 but we have 48 kids it does not make any sense to hire a third first grade teacher and have class sizes of 15 I mean it would be awesome learning awes you have to stuff those

085folders at the end of the day every day I mean you have to balance that with fiscal responsibity and that's not was that a survey question that went out when you asked about the 4 day week did good point did did that go out as far as uh uh small neighborhood schools didn't you have a question in there somewhere when I did the community survey yeah about are they still for small neighborhood schools I don't that was was that just a discussion that we had um I think that might have been a survey before the one where we asked the question be interesting to know where our community stands right now are they still well I think they're pretty supportive because the soon as the board started talking about if something happens with the levy

086do we look at closing an elementary school and and the parents right away reached out to the board and said please don't do that we love our small neighborhood schools yes yeah exactly it is it does cost us to run our small neighborhood schools it does I mean I mean obviously downst Falls and they're a j school district and they're one of the only ones without two high schools and there even I think they have one more Elementary School than we have but they have right next to each other too right they have 5 to 700 kids in every single one of their elementary schools we've got 280 in one can I just say our high school neither one of them can fit both of our high schools one I'm just saying throwing that out

087there I get that I mean it might be double shifting it might be portable it might be all of those things I'm just saying that that's one of the reasons why they I know are the hard truth and this is where we wind up these are the things that we have to talk about so and I mean I'm sorry but as much as we love these small schools Apple closes we combine the high schools we put the Middle School in one building I mean those are all the things that are going to have to happen if we if we find ourselves an upgr so I mean we have we don't know that that's going happen hasn't made that decision well no I'm just saying I'm praying that the let passes and none of those are

088conversations that need to be had by anybody yeah I don't know that the board ever talked about closing in school I didn't say it I just said in general is the board still on board with the single column Sol scale um can I provide some information on that no because I just asked a question let me see what the board says and then you can provide your information my concern with it is that it doesn't work and there's exceptions and there's people have had to be shifted to fit on it correctly so it and I so I don't know how how well it's actually working yeah I I was my only question is what's in statute is you know uh fre lines with cs um and I don't know why we feel that we should

089only be doing things this way now any other comments from board members might just yeah make a couple of comments I think the single call schedule in a perfect world is is kind of a perfect schedule mhm unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world right and plus the fact that we're faced with some very very serious salary concerns headed toward next year so I think there going to be some significant adjustments in that salary schedule layout okay I you two have any comments well I think we definitely need to look at it because of its iterations these last few years just trying to I mean the way we got here was trying to fix what there was before and that just sort of made I think more of a mess but I agree I

090think it's definitely something we need to look at and you know see where see where we're at with it okay now what would you like to say Jessica uh so there is a bill right now that is attempting to codify the 6359 into the State Career ladder if that bill is codified um one it makes my life easier because I don't have to prepare a super fund report to the state but two it makes the R1 P1 and AP1 on the State Career ladders minimums so there is some what's the word I'm looking for it would be better it would behoove us I guess to split our salary schedule into R1 uh P1 and then AP1 to to make sure that we're hitting those minimums so that if someone moves from the r to the

091a the P1 if they're lower that could be a significant jump for them so it would make more sense to have those columns kind of split out if we do that it would also potentially help to build it would allow us to build in those AP steps that are in there um and not have a separate stien for that okay so waiting on the legislator I looked at all the salary schedules for a lot of different school districts and they're all set up you just mentioned similar to that yeah we the reason we went to the single salary schedule was because when that 6359 came out and we were required to make sure that everybody got that raise from the governor a portion of that um it it raised our minimum salary for first year

092teachers to 47 477 and we could not figure out how to increase that sell by and then have it not be a huge trickle down so that we were exponentially increasing all the sales that came after it and so that's the reason that we it was also to make it so you didn't have to teach 10 years of $47,000 right in order to get to a place where you could I would say that's probably the tricky thing if we do split it out into three columns based on where you're at on the State Career ladder is at some point you're going to top out unless you move unless you get to P1 unless you get to AP1 I I feel like there's going to be a top out period for sure if you're not in

093those moving on the career have to meet those criteria that's the advantage of the pay through of the eight dollars also is provides motivation for teachers to eight so I guess and everybody in the salary schedule benefits from teachers going into a right because it increases the allocation that comes to so that our it makes the weighted average go way up have .35 million in the allocation what happens to our weighted average it goes down significantly well it so the state doesn't the way it works right now the state has that built in that AP allocation is built into the career ladder for us it's separate and so it's inherently built into that those AP RS are built into our weighted average no I understand that I'm just saying just saying none of our teach

094if none of our teachers ever became teachers you're taking 1.2 do you think us were to split it out though would that help incentivize teachers to maybe make if you're going to sit at the top of a pee of a professional rung because you're not me it's also going to increase the amount of money you guys have to pay teachers too they could be first year teacher of 47,000 because they moved here and that's where they fit into the ladder and then they're AP teacher they're an AP1 teacher next year they go from 47 to to whatever it is the state's minimum and that's the tricky thing is that's what I'm looking at how do we how do we do that cuz if right now to get to the States minimum it would be a

095pretty significant jump for that uh AP1 and then you're dealing with the the same argument that we get every time we change the salary Sy which is I've been in the district for 15 years and that person's brand new to the district and they just jumped over the top of me but if we're talking about where the state puts them yeah maybe that takes if you if you don't separate it out and you a lot of districts so I did a comparison you know how districts Do It um you know Dave right there a lot of districts do separate there are a lot of single cell the reason that you see a lot of districts going to single cell is because that's how the state was doing it trying to get from we had a

096salary schedule that was my goodness it was landscaped and it was clear across the paid with all step and it was just and so and it was costing the district more money to provide all those steps and so we tried to get more line to say so I think you know the intent is good the problem with putting eight into a single cell salary schedule that will cost the district more money because now you have you're going to pay teachers that don't get the eight funds they're going to earn the eight funds whether it's in one year two years or three years but they're not qualified for eight so we're not getting EXT money from the state but yet they're going to make that anyway in two or three years or whatever that jump is

097to make a so right now the way it sits I believe I mean yeah you could talk about yeah maybe we shouldn't have 25 steps down um but the way it the way it sits right now it's more cost effective than if you in my opinion than if you put a into a single C salary schedule because then every single employee has an option has will receive that benefit even if they're not Aid Stat or what Jessica is saying where basically we have three wrongs you have rp1 rp2 rp3 and then you sit there until you can you can move to P1 but then the the issue with that is you now we're topping out really in 13 this is toing on 25 years to do it that way you out 13 years so that

098cost us a lot of money when jica say go 31 because well because you get to the top of the scale really fast fast and then they you sit there and so you've got and that's when you're going to have people come into the district and make more money than someone like me that's been here 20 years cuz they're going to get to the top of the scale faster so instead of doing it that way we're going to to brainstorm but it could just be for those that there's a little Shadow cell for for the the the r the R1 we're already taken care of but the P1 and the AP1 for those minimums like you have to you have to pay them at least this which maybe for us isn't a big deal because

099they may be further I mean they be on our have to know where everybody is on the scale and that's always really fun right yeah but you could just do a little Shadow thing for those people and make up the difference between I was just trying to keep her from hitting me B so the the state minimum for currently if you're looking at salary based apportionment the state minimum for AP1 is 61359 um and that equates to around set 14 on our current salary schedule that's about right because in reality you wouldn't hit that if you were perfect it would be 139 and then you wouldn't be P5 till 13 it's pretty close p53 you're right I'm sorry looking I mean it's you're still going to that's I mean that paying it as a separate

100allocation might actually save you guys money I think it'll save you a lot of money when because you could have a person that is ap5 and they're in cell eight and so you're actually paying them less money and you're giving them an a allocation legally if this codifies we are legally required to move them to the State Career ladder base minimum well we just have to pay them the minimum so if they're on a sale on our salary schedule but that is $3,000 less than what the minimum is but the AP they don't look at the S no I know but if what we're doing right now if the Apes stien for AP1 is 5,000 but the difference for us to get them to the minimum is 3,000 then we save 2,000 yeah so it's

101just how we put it all together I mean there's not a ton of AP teachers that are at the top end of the scale but there are some up there but most of them are right now right now we're about what Brook do you know about a third a third of our teachers are in AP oh least at least 33 it's 130 I think yeah it's over 130 130 teachers at in the eight and that have eight S it's a large number and I would say the biggest you have uh about 200 yeah yeah that's awes we should have I AG Facebook and everything else because that now that is something to our teachers top so we have we have 133 133 teachers that are receiving an ape typen for a total of 1.14 million

102I don't know care about the money side of it just the fact that the amount of teach how many teachers 133 we have 300 many teachers it's a little bit less than that so as far as I'm not I'm talking certified yeah give me a second I can tell you you have you've got the staff in the general fund and then you have bet you you get really angry when you look at surrounding districts because a lot of surrounding districts are put their salary schedule and so they're all phenomenally they have 95% of their whole entire proba because the district gets the money everybody's so then their teacher then their principles aren't that's where I because Lakeland has done a fabulous job I know we think that but I wonder in a records request would

103you figure that out like the districts how many of your teachers actually are how many qualify for eight that would be interesting to know because if I remember this accurately tell me if I'm wrong but at one point that was one of the questions was what are you going to do if it's just going to feed into the salary schedule how do you ensure the accountability and transparency and the Integrity of Ape from the admin side and my understanding was the state department said that if we felt like every District was just giving the money and just feeding your salary schedule that there would be repercussions is that am I right was that said it was said but having sitting on evation I look at evaluations there are a lot of people who are 100

104distinguished that includes all of the everybody all the people servic all certified doesn't matter what fund they're paid from so they could be yeah but they get a too they yeah 132 would be 299 board I think of ideas to say that's 45 46% I got on the board that's good I'm GNA ask that question yeah I know I know our staff is just our staff works for there hug I want know how many I'm going to ask 45 46% 46% 45 how many 290 that's also all your staff everybody and they all they're all eligible any certificated staff member that's eligible for AP so that's that's where I'm but I do know that there was some discussion about the Integrity of that and the concern that it could be compromised so there was supposed

105to be some they found people not doing that or feeling like the the you know they weren't holding true to truly distinguish that there would be some repercussions but well we have a neighboring School District that does it I guarantee it I don't doubt that I just I want to know I mean I feel like we think that I just I would I would who's holding those districts accountable right well and it's not 100% of their teachers it's 100% of the eligible teachers eligible because be year to get to year n this is I'm talking about all this is all this how many was it for us of eligible teachers it's 45% say that almost 4 not even eligible all certif that's all certified for us Services all that cuz they're how many can somebody

106figure out are eligible people how many that would take me a bit Yeah that would take a while are you looking at like and we have who are getting their AP St but they didn't move down to the next level of eight because they didn't meet there which means you're getting funded for the next level of me but they're no no no no they don't move down no no if you don't qualify state level they don't move you down that makes sense yeah Brook sometime in your spare time you what are you Ling she wants everybody who's eligible possibly I don't oh get the P5 going to take a little bit of time is she asking for p5s I can get that for you thank you and you I know you can to Brook I'm

107sorry have you play have you played with like a shadow or a break down of no because they literally just told us last Friday that they were looking at making those the minimums through State I no I have not had a chance I was just wondering I just didn't know if you play with me yet this is probably an area where we're going to need to spend time um I do have a breakdown of all the public school districts in the state how much they pay how much they pay top end I look at top end with a bachelor's degree and then all the incentives that the district gets with the bachelor's degree so like right now the state gives money for BA 24 some districts give cyes all the way up to ba 90

108um but in my so I wanted to compare all of those numbers um because every teacher coming in has it's Equitable they have the opportunity they have a bachelor's degree and they have the opport credit so I do have that I do have that breakdown and and and I have seen those you know those different schedules um but it's interesting to note that even when they do break them down like that the numbers are all then it's all pretty much the same cross if you take a top and the middle and the bottom they're going to be all pretty much the same a lot of districts they don't you know they don't do AP but they give longevity steps up to $15,000 or they give you know experience steps up to or extra experience some

109districts after 20 years 25 years and 30 years give $55,000 bonuses a year you know and it's just it's really it's crazy when you start looking at it everybody's completely the possib everybody's completely there but but what was reassuring to me all the numbers are right are right in there so pretty close well I can tell you with the single column schedule where I um kind of struggle I mean of course the ape stiens help for people to continue on and to be better and that type of thing but it's as far as taking baby steps of earning credits I haven't seen as much initiative in order to go over on Callum yeah again I I believe that's the state's problem the state's fault because they quit paying extra money for that they used to

110pay extra income rents on every 12 every 12 credits they would they would give the district more money and they quit doing that now it's just a flat ba ba ba4 or a master that's when we went to the career l so that career lad is in my opinion really hurt because the Matrix we used to have was based on the state the Old State allocation which was a similar matri right but when you think of the cost of having do I really want that Master stiped is it worth the cost of taking all those credits and that's the only thing it's just it's it's lost a little bit of incentive it actually is a great incentive if you're a new teacher to get your Masters quickly because then you get the benefit of that

111s spread out more of over more of your career than you actually can pay for your master Bill Miles told me when I was a new teacher get your Master's ASAP and I did within the first five years of teaching when I when I first became a teacher it didn't pay to get a masters the top end was I think right at 900 50 I could make more coaching spending my time coaching and I I love coaching so I wanted to just be a coach and I mean teacher was first I didn't coach my first year even though they wanted me to um just because that was that was my livelihood but it just did pay in this District to get a masters I mean I take that with I mean it would help the

112teacher get Masters I'm not saying that but MoneyWise right it is a commitment depending on your cost yeah exactly you know you have some Fields where you have to I mean have to have a special like special a it is interesting though to do so showing these guys Clark County is a small onea school don't even know where their top end is 81,82 so almost $882,000 but they get master stiens all the way out to 31,000 top it in a 1 a school dist school you know where they are uhuh it's what's the town I can't are they by Haley no no no they're they're north of Idaho Falls right before you go over the they're out in the Boondocks the literal Boondocks oh in order to get people there they got yeah that's that's

113insan to draw yeah and it probably helps them too because like we were talking they probably it's probably such a small District they don't have a lot of teachers so any money coming in from the levy dollars coming in from the community they can R stuff up and pay their teachers because they're only paying 10 of them you know they have two schools guys two schools Junior Senior High together I don't one Elementary and a Junior Senior High the job openings are the public school that pays the most money is County another 1A school and they pay $122,000 a year to for anyone with a bachelor's yeah but then look at their average yeah there's a lot of money it's yeah it's a pocket of a lot of good yeah there's a lot of old

114money down there a lot of farmers ranches maybe I need to move down there all right is there any other um segments or content the I negotiated agreement anybody wants to talk about no okay are we good with ending at 7:44 yes right in