February 2022 Regular Session Board Meeting

001president of mr hopkins here mr current president mrs duncan here mr guthrie here uh ms robertson dr dooley here doctor to amend the agenda to include the discussion on the employee agreement but table the vote until next month so we have more time to work on it we can't i couldn't hear you until next month [Music] mr hopkins aye ms robertson aye mr smash is 5-0 and on the agenda before we go before we do the pledge of allegiance i would like to recognize the loss of eric schultz [Music] yes indivisible with the liberty and justice stronghold okay administrators and board members sometimes get criticized for things they think they have to do everything i think they have done wrong that hasn't been wrong so we hate to make mistakes one day i apologize to

002the board at the monday night meeting the request was made to move an executive session to election board meeting tonight i failed to do so no one else been at busy week is my only excuse i didn't i didn't get it done so my apologies um this week part of our business has been the fact that we've had our annual audit uh we've had others in this room we're worried today they're going to get out the time we have the board meeting uh they left about five o'clock uh we've had audits monday wednesday and friday i'm sorry monday monday tuesday wednesday uh the report uh prior to code was due by march 31st to the other general's office has been postponed to the fall so i think we'll get reported sooner i'd like to get

003it done in the spring but in talking to the auditors things look good so far nothing is perfect and but the other looks pretty good so angelina venus and ours and marcel you've been busy and i have it because they're the ones who do the daily daily work i think we've done a good job um these are very challenging times um in our business and i appreciate uh the board taking a moment silence for eric i've known eric since 2005. he came here with a consulting company and helped kind of gear up our technology and then we hired him in 2007 he was a professional friend that we could always depend on i'd call eric on the weekend let's go on six o'clock in the morning you'd like his way down he'd pull over and

004there's nine times to fix what i asked for on his phone i don't know how the heck he did that but he did hand so um which they served last wednesday in glendale it's been sad to see something like that he was a young man compared to me and very young man kova is continuing to ravage our population we've had as high as 15 percent absenteeism here at school 70-100 kids um depending on the day uh but they're we're worried that have uh covered symptoms we were averaging over two two staff members educational staff members out a day with no subs so dr jim boltz is spending a lot of time in classrooms and that's that impacts impacts us all so and one of the downsides of being in a rural and somewhat isolated community

005is i don't have a lot of time to talk to peers about what's going on in their schools as i mentioned one time recently last month i was at one of our payment county soups meeting and usually is a fairly optimistic uh happy group of people we all like our jobs not there it's really sad they've had as high as half their schools quarantined uh because of covenant it's uh it's getting they're just it's hitting them just like it is otherwise magnum flags are bigger schools and and i think maybe they have more contagion because it doesn't say that everybody is trying to figure things out there's no given solution and everything i can read is going to be long term early on i heard someone from the cdc talking about this could be 25

006years i used smallpox as a an example and you said smallpox vaccinations i didn't realize this started about 1950 and smallpox wasn't eradicated so i'm afraid my my kids and my granddaughter are going to be the generation that deals with this financially i get frustrated as you all know very fast about money or the lack thereof people ask me what my two biggest worries are about running a district and i talk about the lack of money and teachers and if i have a lot of firsts i might go a bit more excited that's not the case financially well i mean back up about the state develop a new school finance law and it's the same one we use today and it is so much better than the previous law i appreciate the fact that obviously

007the young person administration this law has passed but it's a thing called equalization for example in ajo because it's not when we talk about rich districts and poor districts we're not talking about the income of the citizens we're talking about the taxable property in that community or in that school district one of the school districts uses a model on a lawsuit it's called roosevelt versus bishop bishop dianne bishop was the school of state state schools in content one time that lawsuit kind of brought about sfb they used cartwright district in west phoenix as a model my mother was a teacher there i lived there it was not a bad neighborhood not a reason to little rocks it was not a bad neighborhood at all but there was no industry it was all tracked homes that's

008very low on the tax on the taxable state so um we don't have tactical income here tactical property that osborne district does in phoenix for example elsewhere district has four schools four or five schools and they're downtown saddle mountain behind the white tank mountains has the nuclear power plant a friend of mine was the superintendent there for years several years he took over after a person had run a district over several million dollars in debt but they have more money than they have students to cause the use of money so districts like osborne and saddleback now merced mountain their money comes to help out students in schools like us who have a low tax part of the part of the bill the law and this was done well i got a thousand legislation 1982 there

009was a lot of cross that isl work it was different political atmosphere than i worry we have today part of the bill said they put a ceiling on how much debt or or budget the state can have the purpose of that is to stop taxes from going up we will hit that ceiling on or about march 1st that means the state is going to have to cut 1.2 billion from the budget somehow that means that little aho is going to lose over 700 000 this year now talking to people that are more hooked up with the legislature than i ever will be they have talked to people of the party that's in the majority they were told by one representative or senator this state legislature can vote to override that seal it has to my

010knowledge it hasn't hardly been talked about yet at the legislature um we if we don't have that vote we're going to have to adopt another budget in march for the remainder of this fiscal year that's gonna hurt seven hundred thousand dollars um the auditors are telling us we're in very good financial shape uh i planned it and a little bit tight with money especially taxpayer dollars because it's not my money spent uh we try to be very cautious on purpose and that's health when it comes to tough times like we had last year with buying chromebooks and things like that so um districts across the state are all going to be in deep trouble what we fear is that there's going to be a lot of quid pro quo in the legislature to get a

011majority to supersede that they call it ael i can't think of what it stands for now sorry uh for example cutting taxes on the super rich there's a representative named farnsworth owns a number of charter schools he's also a lawyer he's also in the state legislature he got a 20 million dollar check a couple weeks ago because he's picking up tax support of his charter schools his son is the manager the bookkeeper of his organization so his family is becoming wealthy running in charter schools i'm not a fan of charter schools so please accept my bias but there are people involved there that are getting richer and unfortunately in my opinion our kids are going to suffer what this is going to mean if they don't i think they will but i'd be remiss if

012i didn't tell you this that this could mean layoffs of staff it could mean early in some some districts are talking about ending the school year in march uh i hope i hope none of that happens we're using money right now to tutor kids three days a week because our kids need it i've talked to several of you about the fact that we had to be in my opinion to help keep children safe and healthy we had to have online education most of last year but every district i've talked to i've read about talks about that topic i was talking to someone just yesterday was an educator and they said it's like we've lost this generation uh the kids are having a hard time because they weren't held accountable when they're doing online work as

013they are when they were teachers they don't have they don't have the expertise of what a teacher's next to them in the classroom to help them and motivate her so and so forth so that's kind of dismal it's something when i can't sleep at night just kind of back here in the back of my mind i hope i hope that they send you folks a board letter about three weeks and say the legislation came through if you know a legislature a legislator tell them tell me support right now that i haven't talked to them for about a year but our legislators for auto are basically very supporting the public debt and i hope that i hope that continues um there are two bills coming out of the senate this year that will increase vouchers vouchers

014as you all know are tax dollars that go to private schools initially that was sold to the voters or to the to get the thing passed in arizona don't know about other states that they were saying that uh schools in poor neighborhoods were not good schools excuse me i turned this thing off um so they were saying we're going to send special ed kits vouchers are running for special ed kids what they found in one one statistic i read a couple years ago um only about 18 to 20 percent of the students in the low-income areas who are bailing themselves of those doctors they want to be in the neighborhood so the money then was going to people who have their children in two expensive uh three expensive private schools and feedings are xavier uh

015phoenix country day and um i remember the perfect thank you uh so and the fact the governor's kids go to those schools uh so i worry that key politicians our state don't know what it's like to be a student in an inner city school of tucson or phoenix or a rural school like ajo or gila bed and something like that so that's going to be harmful i think it's going to create more of a homogeneous environment and my belief system that education heterogeneity is important in the learning process so i'm kind of frustrated cove has taken its emotional toll on kids and staff the nea which i was a member for years i did a survey recently wanted to read this so don't forget they talked about the increase in educators losing leaving the profession

016sooner than later sooner than plan in january they did this survey last month of the people who surveyed are talking about burnout people can say well teachers don't have a bad deal they get weekends off they get most nights off they only work eight hours a day as i told the board member one time i was president teacher associates and said yeah we do work those hours and we only work 9 or 10 months a year but we'd get it done because we're so good now that was kind of being a little live but teachers work hard i don't see lazy teachers in the outdoor school and i appreciate their work and i hope i hope our parents do so 90 are experiencing burnout 55 percent of those people say they're going to retire early

017as soon as they get out they're going to get out now i don't know what we would do if you were downtown oslo without our international teachers um we have good people i think they're hard workers um but um it's it would have been ugly here for several years if we had one of those people it looks like it could get worse um we talked about that i want to talk about counselors just real briefly i know a couple years ago the board one of my goals was to find the counselor and i was lucky [Music] now we're using an agency called southwest behavioral health services because if you think teachers are rare business managers and counselors are more so and we had a gentleman assigned our school one day a week i didn't think

018that was enough coming back from the kobe so i talked last spring and i asked thank you lisa i asked last spring can we double that on an idea we can double that our counselor here missed most of the last i think semester six months yeah at least this fall semester because it's a very very severe illness and has recuperated this appears to be okay he's scheduled to be here now monday wednesday and friday so i'm happy for our kids obviously they're not going to see a counselor unless the parents give permission but sometimes our kids just need someone to talk to and sometimes adolescents want to talk about things that they wouldn't not want to talk about their parents offense parents because i wouldn't do that my kids got through it but adolescence was

019a time and challenge for a lot of us um well on an upbeat i got a letter yesterday and i'm not sure how why we got this but i'm glad we did the tucson optimus club which i wish i could become more so um they sent us a check for 1400 of course to use on a reading program but all right so i really appreciate that um and um i wanted to talk a little bit on monday night's meeting um a statement trying to address very briefly that the first board member had asked for agenda information about the superintendent of search and research search had to hear anything back angelina keeps her email very early um that was about 101 afternoon the questions in that email were answered at 407 418 so i just don't

020want support to think yeah i think i can respond to something like that but i didn't mention anything anyway long story short i want the board to know that we're trying to communicate okay [Music] the doctor all right so one second mr president hi mr hopkins approval of teacher contracts for the 2022-23 school year the administration's requesting board approval for the insurance for a contract to enlisted teachers john obama april caviaro and claire williams olivia garcia caroline rodriguez amanda yagam charlie barankum chad chidley pamela de la cruz bobby casey jose bruce and york mercy ericom darnell connolly marianne developer richard bill daddy williams manager beltran veronica angela garcia mary grace and kevin wilkins mr president um i mentioned this the other night but a couple of members weren't here this is not our entire teaching

021staff right now the only reason other people are not included that you may wonder about is because of the visa because of covet j-1 thesis had an automatic three years and then go for a waiver for five or two more several of our teachers had had a way but another wave for the last two years they've been here seven years and it appears that the state department has not gone extended so that's why they're not if if tomorrow they were extended it would save landslides and some worries and we would be glad to recommend those people that's why it's agreed with us okay uh superintendent recommendation i recommend the approval of the issues to contract mr hoffman hi mr cruz richard i miss robertson all right mr goodman hi hopefully thank you very much classified

022working agreement agreements for the 22-23 school year the administration is requesting voter approval for the issuance of working agreements to be listed non-certified staff members the administrative would be venus governor maria lopez candace moore arcelia linos angelina valenzuela shannon wolfe in the cafeteria martha benavidez sarah ray alejandro ortega and fernando rossorio and maintenance with daniel cotton james davis raphael flores rania actually gonzalez perez richard russell studion jose r young and as parapros we have lloyd daniels samuel hernandez bethany morales evelyn sanchez maria diaziola maria durrant debbie house tristan williams sherry simpson alejandra fingarowa suzanne leon christopher newman bernadette camayo julia gutierrez francisco lopez crystal pacheco andy and the vasquez recommendation is to approve the issuance of working in agreements to the above individuals [Music] ketchup when i was reading them last night that alejandra the

023figure relatives listed twice was she no i'm sorry oh that she needed alejandro that's the biggest just remind the board it looks like we have two four six eight more uh maintenance workers actually short one two of those gentlemen um are part-time employees they're basically drivers part-time writers mr curtis ms duncan aye mr opponents huh mr robertson aye mr goodley i hope it passes leanne burns has submitted a letter of destination effective april 29 2022 superintendent's recommendation that the board approved the resignation of mrs barbara's past awkward school business manager effective april 29 20. mr hopkins ms robertson all right administrative employment business manager laura smith laura smith has applied for the position of part-time business manager for the ohio unified school district she served as the district business manager from april through july 1st

024of 2015. it was the superintendent's recommendation that the board approved the employment was met effective april 1st 2022 that's part time on her school's visitation uh about 50 000. and what's the definition part time uh half time half time so basically half time it depends on the day of the year uh right now for example um leanne was down here two days so she could say well i worked two thirds of the of the audit uh when value was here she'd be here every day just depends on the person's load typically they have several small districts they work for and so we're looking at halftime basically and as i recall from concession monday she's one that does not have multiple districts she had antelope and as i've said a couple of individuals at least i

025think it's harder to find business managers i think and his principles are super intense because we're all teachers and there's more teachers than our business people and so after i talked to her until i was going to throw the gin and she said three more job offers so it's we need people like this is there is that 50 000 for half time so if she worked all the time it would be over a hundred thousand that's pretty good so i'm sorry so this employee is a part part-time employee so we just don't have the job load for a full-time employee correct the way the budget works uh 20 of my time is on the business as well and so i kind of picked up some slack and that's been we've been doing that since two

026thousand and thousand three four independent contractor she's independent so we don't provide any benefits okay we have to pay uh income taxes so she basically required to work 20 hours a week did that and 90 of what she does online which one of the things she and i talked about she said i'll be down to oh at least once in the shelter she plans on being here a very important meeting uh i'll assume this board meeting here we have something so much explained before um be here for the space station for example uh one of the things i'm nervous about the whole list right now but one of the nurses about what i mentioned on this potential budget guy that budget has been adopted about just before the transition so right now would be mrs

027burns you should have to do it next next month and so and that's one of the reasons and i'm glad someone pointed out that i had i had an incongruity on the start dates i wanted both board members or programs i'm sorry both business managers on board the same month because i want ms smith to do the 22-23 budget because that's what she's going to live with she's going to make work and the animus burns will be exiting and so you'll see a change in her letter she comments that i asked her to change her resignation from stephen perry to end of april and that's why and she agreed and so understand i certainly never have a problem with i don't know you gotta shut a lot of it i don't see what she has

028to do well we can do stuff on nowadays sometimes she'll do a lot of stuff online with a remote desktop she'd be on the same screen we're on or the penis or so you're on i think part of it she just thinks it shows that she's respectful of the district and she wants to support the people that are working around them and that makes them feel like support as well how much did we pay deanna okay leanne well okay we paid leanne about originally i offered i uh she said i only want forty thousand dollars i said no we got a big job leanne came in when we had i mean you recall we had an audit that didn't look pretty and uh i said no you're going to do some work to clean things

029up so i said i want you to take at least 45. well there's been some things because i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that i'm going to do that so we have to bring in other business people so we're probably paying another 15 000 outside of her with individuals certain tasks that had to be done for the auditor general's office so the cost right now is probably around 60 thousand plus venus orcilla and then claims and myself so this lady is going to do all those things for example we're paying a lady and i'm she's really sharp and i don't know her i met her we've always talked on the phone she's doing all of our title grants and stuff she's a business manager a little bit larger district and

030but ms smith and i talked about you i don't want to write the educational part of it like for title 1 for example educational partners we have no problem doing that and she'll run how we spend the money and so on so with the keep account not keeping account of that so it worked out we did that she was here before and then she was the one the person and she was with a friend at that time we brought her on board when bryce spencer passed away and jermaine to the situation but i don't know she told you our fixed asset person was here who does all of our inventory like every single little piece of whatever um she just got to drop off her for a business management position so she's going to try

031to still be our fixed staff person and our capital assets person and be the business manager because she doesn't want to leave the time drive but that's a huge job like she comes on fall break in spring break and crawl through every space you could find with her little and that's another person that would be a business manager if it was a full-time position together [Music] yes or no yes all right thank you very much you have to speak up because we're a lot okay next person position employment for spring sports of individuals beloved expressed an interesting coaching for the 2022 spring sports season jose ariane is the head basketball baseball coach lonnie alvarez is co-head softball coach kayla leon as co-head softball coach and angelina valenzuela as assistant volunteer mrs robertson aye mr pearson

032this is an eye mr guthrie aye mr hopkins aye ms duncan aye ms passover is the approval of the 20 23 23 school calendar the 3273 ajo schools educational calendar has been proposed this calendar released the minimum instructional days 180 including all state and federal holidays and then you had mentioned here that the teachers did approve the date change that you stopped by monday for the april holiday is that okay teachers i think today today and we've had eighth grade promotion on 23rd of may and high school graduation 24th of may 2023 the teachers agreed to move eighth grade promotion to wednesday night 24th at 12 high school graduations the 25th and then that frees up one day so take uh april 7th which happens to be good friday office just a day off because

033that's the only month that's not a three-day weekend yesterday i printed it but i i think what i did so that takes this day off this becomes for that april holiday and these two days move over and add an extra day here so with all of them you get 18 so your eighth grade promotion will actually just have to change what you think the last day for teachers through the 26th after that the question of 26th are going to stay the same they would the teachers last day would be the 26th that's true the whole that so i would like to make a motion to approve the adjusted calendar adding the extra holiday in 15 minutes all right mr robertson hi just a chance for a conversation oh yeah sure and i just want to

034bring this up and i've had to explain to you like nine times why we do it this way but and and that's probably the way it should be i've always wanted and then super kid doctor explained to me several times so i had danny morales but to me the teachers work day should be on fridays because there's so many ball games in all the sports on fridays and the kids leave to go out of town on fridays so they have wednesday afternoons off and then they're on fridays and i've always wondered why we don't have fridays for the teachers but what i've been told and dr mcgill explained this again is that when you do that and kids will come to school on fridays their parents take the whole day friday and make it three

035day weekend all the time and so they have trouble with the attendance but just the same thing same thing happens sometimes the teachers not the teachers are present tonight did but say that well i got lucky um but uh sometimes it's three day weekend is a real nice opportunity to go to rock and quiet or go to the mountains and so uh wednesday's nice so my concern would be like during baseball season your girls and your boys all have a ball game on friday out of town and so you have what 30 kids that are that are leaving to go to a ball game and um so that i i can't believe teachers are doing a whole lot in the classroom that day with that kid wrong i could be wrong and uh but um

036so that's just the only concern i have especially the coach where maybe you want to leave a little earlier but you can't leave until you know later because um and on a friday because they're trying to get into the school day and get the kids there longer so just i didn't know i wanted to bring that up sooner or later i just didn't have a place to bring that up at i don't know how you can so that's the same question before on that one also because i always thought the friday then the same thing was on kids or you have staff that just take your friday out so they're doing this to have family vacation so it seems like the wednesday early releases comment but it is correct do you are you aware of

037schools that have or dr lance there are schools that have friday early release my own district dude before there was a shortage of subs whereas they had 15 schools and um in the state of texas is um is being swept with uh district switching reporting one of the small benefits of his travel for athletics and they also do things um he also have clubs that travel their chess clubs debates things like that first year as a business major but what was done wrong here in my opinion i had nothing to do with that part was at that time the state mandate for instructional time was based on days not hours downtown hours and seventh and eighth grade was like two or three more hours per month per week than other grades so the kids elementary

038kids got out say 2 30 high school kids got out three thirty seventh eighth grade kids were here until almost five o'clock so they and their teachers were leaving all our whales was gone they looked like they were dragging at the door and i the board at that time didn't extend that because the community didn't support it they thought that it's something you might bring back to the community again sometimes we're comparing custodial care plus they just saw it as a day where school school employees didn't have to work it worked for me but that's not what we exist for i was living in the valley and an apartment here i could go home and do all the yard work on saturday friday and see my wife and kids all weekend but uh it wasn't

039that i think it was the best thing for kids at that time away with structure i think we could structure it better now the law didn't allow this world well i'm sure that us and including other districts are really going to be looking at us now with uh offline classes online classes people not coming to school anymore now i'm sure lance is probably you know going left he probably thought ahead of this and you know it may be something that they would consider but i would hate to test the teachers anymore especially like a four day work week being here from six seven more until five six in the evening that's just no way it doesn't it doesn't have as many minutes into the days i was really surprised [Music] it wasn't that much longer

040many more days around the big benefit that that i see is a teacher recruitment you know younger teachers then they know that they can go to the city um for a three-day weekend then it's easier easier to get them out here to share a house and that sort of thing at least or electricity that was what a lot of people they're saving bus miles well here it wasn't a factor because we don't make the minimum on bus money so we're getting paid we're getting paid we can't way lord and what we're doing transportation is now if we if we took our bus to heal eventually black half we've got kids then we get paid with externality this is a valuable discussion but you can't change zero connection approval of out-of-state student field trip for the

041stem cell stem club is asking permission to travel out of state for a may 2022 field trip to disneyland california students will use tax credit donations from the stem and aerospace club for this trip mr chizzy will give us a report on the monday study session [Music] it is recommended by the superintendent that the board approved the proposal for the third student out of state so i know again monday and that part of the program documentary my only reservation would be is that the people that donated to this probably didn't donate for a trip to disneyland they donated for the program about coming in after the trip to get a report on what they did and then having a couple of the [Music] but yeah that concern was was brought up because it could easily

042look like oh we're just letting them go it doesn't matter but i know when i taught that physics class the amusement park in north carolina had a science day and just all science classes could go so we took the physics cross there and sadly they didn't have any real programs set up they had it set up one day but me and the teacher i was with made sure that they were educational about using it too i had no doubt that mr chidi will also uh we've got a good senior class membership there and we'd like to have that continue next year can we add something into the motion that says um approved under the condition that there's a lesson or i don't know what it would be called educational plan and um um because he

043has so many chaperones he's actually going to go back to the van for a couple hours and sleep before they take him and he has another teacher going he said if he's too tired that that teacher will be able to switch out for him as well so i would like to include that condition as well that there are enough chaperones oh the chaperone there's one set of parents going in their own vehicle but the chaperones on the bus are certified teachers they we also discussed that perhaps he could put something in the proper news that would explain um using tax credit money but if you get it in the paper ahead of time so may i repeat what i think you just said there's a combination um it proved that what i'm hearing is the

044board would approve this based on having an educational experience at disneyland students having a second driver and number three having a board report on return the meeting he's going to be doing a lot of drone work after spring break and i would love to see the favorite pictures of kids involved in that because there's a better future in that i think that the appropriate time to talk about that educational experience additional driver and the board report from the students that they could give to the board after the trip and public notification of said trip and how what they'll be experiencing state statute requires that the local government board approved a strobe and sequence for different students every five years it was the superintendent's recommendation that we approve the attached 2022 gender scope um questions uh

045so i understand i'm just looking at what the what we're doing for the gifted students what's in the plan and one thing that's listed is ap ib classes we have no ap courses i'm sorry that was one of the things you have to think about okay so okay one time we've had uh uh a.d classes um advanced placement classes just when brian mckenzie was the principal and he had a master's degree in history classical soc courses is that something that if it's a teacher's qualifier i believe they require a master's degree in the content not just and many teachers have a master's degree in education and i believe it's almost like teaching a community college you have to have a master's in the content i know a lot of places those classes you can actually

046get college credit reports okay so and then also i you said on monday that we weren't doing pull-outs but we do have pull-ups listed for as well pull ups are listed i would not recommend number two i think um the older as i mentioned one day the older the children get the less more social problems cola system creates for them it's not every kid with a lot of kids and so uh i think there's nothing understanding with their age appears for everything and we depend on teacher differentiation construction okay so we're not we're not doing that correct so those two pull outs is that correct then the last one is um self-contained classes for addicted students um we're not doing that either okay so that's listed under pages two and three through six okay okay

047so those those two is there some board members that weren't present uh as a young principal that was an old principal in my previous district we pulled out of kids we did one day a week one day for every two weeks and with k3 kids was okay but starting with middle grades and definitely by junior high we saw some social issues the association went several ways and helped the child have the motion second mr goodwin yeah so i would like to make a motion that it um being approved with those three types of pull outs the ap id and does that contain i oh yeah okay all right mr guthrie all right miss duncan was the approval of the certified working conditions of the teaching committee uh miss donald connolly mr baja mr beltran have

048worked with the superintendent to review the previous certified working conditions update the proposed working editions agreement to start february 20 22 to june 2015. and i will make the motion to table the vote on this until march a chance to go through this and i came up with some questions that i hope will clarify some of the benefits [Music] just that one and then the one that another one is the professional days um thank you [Applause] i think this one here should say personal day it's not because they the teachers have so many sick days and have so many personal days so two two person days and then they have so many that is um [Music] it should be personal dates because when we change the policy last year there's the two personal days and

049then so many sickly days for certified teachers so instead of professional days where they're going to a workshop or a thing this should say personal days not professional days so that's where the caveat is is it makes sense i think so i'm on the problem it's page two halfway down or almost to the other oh i say yes you go back professionally here that's where professionally it doesn't count against their belief they have curve those are it's like bereavement kind of they can go if the district asks them to so they won't come against their first moment so i think the day before this is supposed to be personal not professional so yeah that's uh that's a typo okay so i can change that right now okay that's my dad okay so um the let's

050see on that same page where it says and i have a bunch of questions and um i hope i hope we can get through pretty quickly some of them probably will you know beg over your discussion um i hope i can get these answered without taking too much time so is this because we haven't we put actually this works out because if i continue before the next so on that same page it's um one uh b1d where it says reasonable requests for absence from school texas will be considered did you discuss that same one last year yeah that's what i'm going to ask so uh 13 professional leaks so and my question about that one is uh so does that apply to leave it applies no that applies to just if someone wants to leave

051but we're also discussing things that might need to go back to the community [Music] if this document doesn't meet policy we shouldn't be ratified so if we see anything that hey you just need to go back and you need to fix this it's not the board responsibility to fix this it's maybe to make life's administrators you can say hey this is the problem with it the staff needs to figure that out to make sure it meets policy because this comes to us and i know we discussed this flashlight you know brought it up also this doesn't follow policy we shouldn't be approving it not waiting for after the fact that that's why we've discussed with dr cooley beginning of the year to ask them start working on it then so they could have it all

052hashed out figured out so when it comes to us you know he's very good about catching these i don't argue that at all eric i agree with that but we have time scheduled for discussion that's why we have a monday meeting so we cannot and in march we're not actually having a regular study session because we're having the candidate individually superintendent well then we should schedule the monday one so we can discuss there was other scheduling issues we couldn't have one and they're just doing it on that wednesday i don't think we're wasting time just to do this i don't think we're ever wasting time in the meeting i mean yeah sometimes these needs might cool a little and i understand marsha but i think it's best if we just brought up these small items

053here figured it out that we can stop doing and take it back to the staff they can fix it and they can then march okay we fixed this here it's done then we can approve it don't do it now then it winds up we're doing that another month on time well for her before having it so when did the other one and everything else so the one that we are doing here right now inspirational until june 30th 2023 the teachers one of the things they they wanted to have it brought to closure and not revisited you know they went for an annual basis and then every six months or so yes uh okay so the next one i have is okay did we go back to the evening we'll request we're maybe there'll be some

054things that you notice but these are mostly questions that i've had quite a bit um so the next one is the three next page [Music] i'm sorry i don't care where we're at uh okay um there's the first one and the next page goes to release the title page the first one so we're on the second page of actually the document itself number three on that page it's still under v-certified personnel lunch period um they can paraphrase it they can launch an arc up in the cafeteria and if they lunch in cafeteria they will assist in supervision of students and intervene to stop inappropriate behavior and then we have something new added that says supervision may be covered using one certified teacher and and an additional paragraph so can you just explain how that works

055um it's i've seen schools good but i don't think it's safe i think it's important when you have supervision of students um on the playground especially you have certified teachers there instead of having two certified teachers we talked about we a child if there's a serious accident playground a child's parent's suits and districts it's hard for the school personnel to answer questions when you have a class of 25 you have a teacher so you have 200 kids 100 kids on the playground and you have young teacher out there that's hard to explain you can't defend it so i think he's always like that teacher now we have the intent and we try hard to have a 30 minute duty free and after lunch hour that does not always happen because occasionally we have weather situations

056or we have a shortage of staff but with a bigger school i had the privilege of having enough special energy non-one room teachers i gave them part of their day they had one one period of duty every day during lunch hour they would be on the playground in the cafeteria or something else at least well here we don't have that privilege that freed up this is the homeland features to do before school after school and recess so now we have with our lunch period we have to have a teacher out there so lance and his magic that kind of jumbles up what's going to happen he's out there a lot casey's out there a lot when i have time i'm cruising i try to go to the cafeteria a couple times a week just to

057see how things are going but enjoy it i like seeing the kids so i can help out but it can't be relied on because it may have other comments so so these super advising uh certified teachers and parents are not on their lunch period in their regular right it's much easier to give the pear pro a lunch period break that is a teacher now it's still a challenge because if they're a one-on-one aide and they're supervising the fourth graders in the cafeteria helping supervise fourth graders it's it's tough to find them a lunch period is not fourth grade so someone has to cover the one-on-one person so this thing it gets very i think it's very convoluted um i think i think all of our paragraphs right now are one-on-one structures we have more one-on-one

058paraphrase right now in this school this size and i hadn't schooled a thousand kids um with some more serious needs autism has continued to grow um depending on whether child is in the spectrum they may need a long one person to help keep them safe so it's just definitely it's hard to do so the fourth grade goes in the cafeteria the fourth grade goes in the cafeteria with a teacher and a repair pro and so then they all leave the cafeteria at the same time and go to the playground yes typically that's why i understand that you see okay so the cafeteria staff will release it okay fourth graders can go and resist recently started using the playground we bought equipment for two years ago and it's in my opinion it's safer it's bigger space

059they're not running around between wing three and and the gym has nothing to do with this but the kids seem to be directed yes and the reason for that i was like five or six years ago that teachers no longer on the staff would go into the cafeteria and eat to eat guy free lunch and do that on the federal lunchbox and the team the teacher team that i was working with we took that we took that off probably 10 years ago i was still alive that wasn't how to generate so it says maybe so it's not it's not necessarily going to that correct adults in there probably the cafeteria has the risk of the least certified persons the safer area is confined when robert was the cafeteria manager he could be very friendly he

060also had a deep voice and uh there was no screwing around and um i have been there every day for a long shot but at times again this year in the last few few weeks i haven't seen i haven't seen these whoever hey any poor behaviors now real real quick um so the kingsley approved school calendar are also going to be reflected here so we're not seeing the correct two separate ones again correct before the end of march march 15th so the next one i have is e i'm sorry it's 5a hospitalizations major medical life insurance and it says if insurance benefits are available to employees independents all the penance will be listed with the health household if insurance benefits are available to employees if they don't work if they don't work 20 hours a

061week they don't get benefited so only some are so i think they're eligible yes okay and that's right so the next paragraph says if insurance methods are available to employee dependents the coverage will be the same from polite same thing we also had an employee who wanted to not have themselves but have their dependents so we had to say you have to have yourself and your dependents your dependents are an attachment of yourself so it doesn't work the other way you can't have medical insurance for yourself as an interest from your dependents it has to be like everything uh so same section d where it says uh the other side school district will pay a minimum of 2506. um it says let's see okay the balance of the medical insurance maybe may be paid from

062301 monies if the staff possess this to the board and the board approves it so how does that work the staff we have three buckets of money for 301. i most couldn't i i know that my question is how does the staff present it to the board yeah the staff has to i think i think it's 85 staff has to approve the 301 plan whatever it is actually so our approval of yeah approval let me explain that let me explain that 25.56 that's a that's a weird number that was the cost of premiums for a year in 2002. and we always have it there saying we want to guarantee because the board at that time wanted to guarantee that amount of payment there have been one time since then that we were broke so broke

063to the point we couldn't do it and um we found some it was during uh president obama's administration and he had um the administration created some funds about the same time we got the school improvement plan and so we started the year with insuring employees full-time employees at 2500 and statistic dollars now insurance answered around six thousand dollars almost and what was sad we found out that some of our full-time employees are only getting 256 dollars by insurance they couldn't afford to pay the rest of us so um pat and i worked and patti found money and some obama money that we had enough federal money we could shoot through eighteen weeks about a call so that only had another nine weeks from three thousand very very unfortunate employee full-time that since now i hope

064over 25 times um may march first doesn't happen like i explained during my report because that's going to hurt us for big time and obviously you folks will be involved potentially we could have a special meeting between now and march first not just for the events or to talk about that so uh number six reassignment of certified personnel responsibility um section c c um section c at the bottom of it it says in filling vacancy the superintendent will give preference to highly successful employed certified personnel so is that a like a category of it's changed during nclb days the work is highly highly qualified thank you highly qualified and that's changing highly successful and successful is kind of like our local major basically as a person who can handle children well if a person can

065has good academic results on the map test whatever the case may be then they could be signed if they want to meet now if we have three people going to be assigned to this certain grade level or certain class there's no way they can all be happy so administration has made a good call based on observations and typically that's been done by the principal every principal has done that has come to me we've talked about it to my knowledge that's my recollection um teachers have not been satisfied with the decision at least they haven't come to us if they are so i think that's one of the reasons our our contract doesn't say you are a third grade teacher in the alma elementary school that says you are a teacher in the oliver school now

066we wouldn't put a teacher who's a primary certified person to teach high school chemistry because if they want certification for it they may not have experience we could put someone who has secondary kids 6 through 12 anywhere in 6th through 12th grade and obviously dr chabots want someone that's going to be able to manage the class and have a positive instructional program but that's why we leave that question okay so question so is is highly successful the same thing is it says highly effective so that is the same thing yes and this was the wording of the team this year so she has two certifications in middle school science and middle school [Music] okay so let's do the six through 12 science she can teach science to sixth or trophies uh amanda has an elementary

067kids eight so she can also teach sixth grade science seventh grade science eighth grade science but they can't switch so she can teach six through twelve science general science but and she can teach sixth through eighth grade general science but she can teach third grade not reached thirdly so she decided she wanted to be a third grade teacher she wouldn't qualify for her madness job because she's not successfully certified okay okay um okay so it is the same as effective yes um next one i'm going to show you delete b10 okay now we'll move to the next page so it says in the first paragraph it says 60 calendar days after the birth of the child the employee shall be expected to return to work so is this for false to all um certified staff

068so though so so what about staff that's qualified for um fmla that's all f and only that's where they expect that's where the regulation comes from so any staff that's covered by fmla is going to be expected to return after 60 days and they during that six days it's not paid leave unless they have okay so so this is my question so so this does not apply this whole maternity section are you saying it doesn't apply to the staff that doesn't qualify for fmoa or advise them well we try to do the same thing i would try to do the same thing we don't have to we have to follow fmla but if someone someone does not qualify for fmla would not have that come up uh we would not and i i apologize i

069can't remember how i know with insurance we don't have to ensure someone has less than 20 hours a week i don't know what kind of fml so basically flma require for for our agency it's a health insurance yeah right if you're off on flma we continue your health insurance right that's that's the main and we guarantee that they are some similar job they they may not necessarily get the exact same job back but uh a similar position so i i understand i'm trying to be clear on what this says so so it says 60 calendar days after the birth of a child may be expected to return shall be expected but fmla if i give birth on one day i can take 12 weeks not 60 days so that's 60 work days which we talked

070about in 60 days yes 12 weeks so this stuff is the full 84 days if you're waiting 60 work days and wouldn't get into the change with this challenge obviously we should two months i would change that to 12 uh 12 weeks okay um so i just want to be clear on this if us if in order to qualify for fmla you need to have worked in the district for a certain amount of time it's a year or so yeah at least a year let's say i've been here in the district for less than a year i may have a baby i have a whole bunch of sick leave i can't i can't use that to take a time out it's saying if you've been here if you had not qualified for fmla yet if

071you're a teacher the maximum number of league day you have accrued 12 that you get paid for okay okay so i would have my 12 days of cycling that i that i could use as maternity leave yes okay okay so when it says okay so when it says um okay leave with pay she'll be approved only to accept recruit leave i understand that you have that if you've approved sick leave you can use that and get paid if you're using fmla it says issuance will depend on current sick leave but that is not right right because you can take the time off for fmla yes you should put the appropriate meaning there issuance of pay if she wants to pay not relief thank you uh okay next section 11 association privileges um are we adding

072issuance of pay for that uh so the next section 11 is the association privileges association she'll have the privilege to use those things school facilities is this a reference to this could be either aea nea or afg okay so but we don't have that we need to have it essentially right and and one one of the things that happened think 2013 or 14. i think something like that it got pretty expensive like 700 bucks a year or something like that plus i want to thank the teachers felt safe so none of sections uh so in section 12 weekdays um so can you explain um halloween day how many days can be used okay under what circumstances can they be used they have we have two personalities they can be saying i'm going to go to

073download but the policy says too so we are sticking with two correct and they're not used during the year and they revert to helping accumulate sick leave leave can accumulate to 200 days by policy two days is also personal leave by policy these days leave days professionally that we talked about already professional league does not is not taken away from teacher's league people typically going professionally because the principal right you see a conference we think teacher x the benefit trumps we ask them to go i'm not saying professionally i'm for example if you've got to go to court for good us being ticketed that's personal or if you just want to get out of town you want to extend the weekend and there's there's room there's not doing i think we have something in there

074about a minimum a max what we do on that 12d a maximum three certified personnel uh approved per day for personal needs including 12d uh but so after that lance doesn't have to prove that okay okay so i i'm so at the top it says eligible leave and if you have 1.04 days per month you get 1.001 four days per year for ten month employees um so those are sick days those are not your personal goals and they cannot be used for having to go to court or anything else only things you're right and you require proof we require proof if someone's leave days extend the holiday and that's part of the agreement because we had people like you know this coming weekend is three day weekend it's president's day so it's real nice to

075have friday off seeing a four-day weekend but so the agreement says it's been on the agreement since i've been here shortly after i came that if you don't have any doctors if you have three days leave you need to have a doctor's note saying okay that person is out you get dodged if you don't have a medical reason for being out on friday this week if you take take friday off and you have saturday and sunday and monday you get docked from monday so so if i just take a qualcare day whatever day and take it on medical i don't have to so basically we're saying we're going to trust them unless they're sitting holiday or if we have people extending christmas break any any holiday okay so when it says on d it says

076no more than three certified personnel personnel pre-approved leave on the same day unless weighed by the superintendent so that a plot that applies to personal belief no problem that's going to be hard to it with what we're facing right now with kobe it's very hard sometimes to approve that to follow that correctly because someone if they if they have coveted or they have the flu i don't want them here i don't want contaminating everybody else so then we're we're going to suck it up and try to find a stuff people are saying if people are saying i want to make a dental appointment you've got two more people out i'll make a demo for next friday i've already got two people out now make your dental company the following friday if i was doing this

077i was a principal and i think lance that follows this line of thinking as well we haven't talked about it if someone is sick sick we're not going to limit the three we have one of them this makes no sense right believe it or not in the last few years the last couple of weeks it's rare that someone's up we have at the end of last year we had a black update so that they're in this software there's black updates that we would we don't truly have we don't approve the message policy as well yeah um the last two weeks of school are listed in the black update yes they're excited to be there sick days that in december everybody's sick right because now that their border mandated sick days are going again and so

078they're going to use them up they don't want to lose them so they they all take off in december and so i just wondered if you have the same same issue somebody has about 10 days per year they haven't used them and now the last month is coming around and you don't require any documentation for them to take off sick but they can accumulate the 200 which is the best disability insurance there is and then we also have this involuntary leave transfer where if a person has a serious illness for example a rookie teacher if they get cold they're going to get docked because they don't have a sick leave so people who have accrued sick leave like i've been here corrupt also i've gotten a significant amount of safety for every 120 days learning

079three days uh doing a lot better though i had an opera had a wrestling match with pony a few years ago and i can say okay i can give up the five days to lance if he's out circling something so we can take care of our colleagues so the next one is f uh sick leave me used for fmla does does that just mean fmla right yes it means that while they're if they have like i said a few minutes ago if they if their reason for being out like they'll say maternity leave that's good they have 12 weeks yet pardon me if they're having accrued sick leave they get paid for the sick leave they want if they want to use it they don't have to use if they want to get excuse me

080they want to get paid okay so this means that in fact i mean basically you can you can get paid and if you don't then you take it without that and someone said well what's the value of fmla it protects your job yeah yeah okay so um the next just the same same uh paragraph approvedly requested will be determined based on the severity of the employee's need so this we're talking about fmla or sigweek or both i would say we're talking about fmla i think we will follow that from my legal order that's what paragraphs dealing with fmla so um it's got to be they can't just say well you have mla without a reason we need to have a chronic reason for availability so that that sentence refers h just below that says sick

081leave may be used uh to care for our spouse child parent relationship um so now we're talking we're not talking about fmla straight up sickly okay okay so we can this says it can only be used for spouse child or parent um yes you're correct if you're i'm sorry you're looking financially i'm sorry right um yes that's correct so no not grandparents or grandchildren okay um so so in this part that we fixed a while back that has all of the the definition of family underground it doesn't even believe this isn't very sickly because it cannot uh no no it's not it's on the first page um according to this statute family member is it lists it has one two three four five um relationships um or is that you just yeah i'm sorry it's

082probably page two might so that defines all of the ways that you can be related to someone and use sickly which is much more comprehensive than spouse child care define family member is it as it relates to leave or that's just the definition of clown number this is for leaf or sickly i don't believe that's an intention i think that i think the uh i think most people probably interpret that say that i think ars 23 just refers to family members defining family members for whatever benefits we can easily change that to have well no it is i um policy and statute so um so your question is when the could could 12h have the same parameters as um b1f i'm saying if if we're talking about sickly um we'd like to see him a

083lot it needs to because that's the law of respect um okay so and then in the same same place back to lead days h sickly may be requested her spouse to a parent and then it says um by requesting illness family um not to exceed 10 days so that's saying that if if you're using your sick leave not for yourself um but with for but for a family member you can use ten um but if you're using it for yourself you have more because you can accrue up to safely so um so those 200 days those aren't limited for the individual so yes all right now after three days we can say we want to hear from my doctor's evidence [Music] this is one that has caused some some disagreements in the past no personal

084leave be granted on a day before or after a holiday break correct okay so does that mean a single day before or after the holiday that means anything it extends the holiday now we had the question a couple years ago someone yeah the holiday took the third day off and whoever the principal was turned it down well now i wasn't gonna i was gonna be here on friday but they did they didn't they didn't they didn't think that was going to happen in my regulation so if it's going to extend that holiday it's going to take construction time away from kids we're going to be very very careful about that so okay unless okay so unless there's a medical emergency so okay now excuse me here's an example if a person can combine and people

085started this kind of stuff if they can combine a personal need today with getting their teeth cleaned you know a minor medical operation our procedure and before christmas it it looks obvious if you're just trying to extend the holiday and you would not smile and so if we found out we had my recommendation to you i'm going to bring them they've got all two ways to get a teeth point for example using the example and i'd like to see them here with the kids okay so if some so they can't take um the week before or the week after or any number of those days we've never said we've never been we've never been that specific but where we've seen cases where it appeared by our judgment and friends of gentlemen because i think i

086remember the case um if it appears that it's a it's a plan to extend the holiday and we're not going to be here if it stands on the blackout dates a week before or after one break so the blackout dates that are listed it says a week before or after one week sure unless the person is really secular this is holiday so there's so many holidays that if if you can't extend if you can't use any of those days extending out from any holiday especially if you consider the weekend on the other side like like if it's a let's say it's a friday holiday and you can't have to take a monday off then that effectively blocks out a huge quantity of school year it also leaves more it also leads much more there's only

087something like eight days of holiday during school here so they have a lot of other time to use sure no i'm not saying that there aren't other times to use it i'm just trying to figure out what what the intent is here we're trying we're trying to intend is to try to keep teachers what we can for students because for example this year we have a dearth of substitute teachers and it's going to be better for kids in the american education system and they'll have the future with them okay so there's no personal leave to be granted on a day before or after a holiday break it means the entire week probably which yes last year essentially it's thanksgiving i decided hey i'm going to take the monday off too right now i'm going to

088take tuesday off that meeting and tuesday was not just another day it's a further extension of that holiday and therefore would not be covered because the question last year was the person who took monday and tuesday after thanksgiving wanted to get paid for tuesday he had a continual absence from wednesday before the thanksgiving day through the weekend through monday through tuesday so they took a week off and both of those days all extended that holiday yes rather than you know it could come back monday and still take tuesday off and not be a problem because that's not extinct yeah that's it the only thing that i could see with all this is there's only certain times that you require a doctor's excuse it's one of those times you require a doctor's excuse the day before

089holiday i would i mean i know you wouldn't say that in the paper that you require a doctor's excuse if somebody takes off sick the day before holiday we talk about a day but i thought you couldn't require a doctor's excuse unless there were three consecutive days of sick wait exactly we used to say two weeks three is if the policy says three we went back to three we were saying two last year and we went back to three right but we're talking about just one day if it extends a holiday we will we will ask for doctor's experience okay make sure you have that yeah make sure you have that clear discussion right here and that it's legal because because arizona's sick way says that you can take two days off without a doctor's

090note but if you take three days off consecutive without a doctor's note you can ask if you can ask well yeah we can ask for that three days anytime right this is specific to a holiday right but but according to arizona law is does that mean it's not true actually what you're saying it has to be worked out i agree no this this is stuff that eric crazy rich working for you i guarantee you he knows all these regulations and he will hold you to the to the fire on it right he you know he's gonna say hey i'm taking my paid date take time off for the state on on the day before christmas and if you don't like it you can't ask me legally you can't ask me so i'm taking it you

091know one of the some of the things that flexibility that we have we don't have we've got time before and after the holiday using christmas example like this year this coming year we have a week before a week after it's like a lot of live different times in a business where you work through the holiday now back to your question if it's unless the law has changed in the last year and i'm not aware i haven't seen a policy change or a law change this is supported by a long done verifiement well this is the same policy the family stuff all of the family members and it says we actually changed it in here recently but we did change it we changed it from two day two consecutive days to three consecutive weekends and launching

092right oh i'm sorry politics no no the law requires you can't ask until there's been more than two days so my thing on this market is you know because it says right here we got the queue no personal lead granted on a day before our holiday break okay that says that right there then you come down here blackout names administration will take consideration weeks before or after winter break kind of click there so i want to just say the week before and after holidays are blacked out except for sick leave and if it's after the you know a lot of time for you to ask for documentation though i'm taking these this week off for appointments whatever that's fine but if they're gone over three days and you can ask for something well let's just

093make it clear simple the dates the week before the five working days the five working days after are blacked out and blocked out days are approved by policy or statute i didn't remember which could we reduce our number of blackout days we had blackout days two years ago and we brought those back down last year so i would feel like that would have to be like a very clear conversation with the staff because it does say administration will take thoughtful consideration and that's a benefit that means that i could come and say okay i i really want to take this i haven't seen my grandma in 20 years right a few years ago christmas this girl was full of teachers yeah they wanted to extend their work right so what we're saying break as high

094as two weeks that's why we cut it off so but it still says the administration will take full consideration that we did okay so so if if you change it to um the written silent with the no no personal leave granted right um you you're potentially removing a benefit so that would have to be really clear i think you understand the administration will take full consideration um but we are talking about cube so we were talking about you and t kind of go kind of hand in hand what you have uh they'll take thoughtful consideration the week before effort before and after holidays it just needs to be it's clear and what i would even be fine if it was just put the week before and week after of spring christmas break all break things

095like that we put these are blackout dates but if we visit something requested we'll give it thoughtful consideration so he had more blackout days in the past i think that's alignment policy or statute last year right i think you tell you make it ambiguous that we're right but anytime you put something in that says the administration administration approval well when you put in administration approval besides and and under walk criteria so my grandma is sick i need to take off and go to timbuktu and he says you know what lonnie go ahead and go so eric hears that so next day he goes in and says hey lance my grandma's sick i gotta go to timbuktu well he knows eric he knows he's not he's gonna go to his grandma so he tells him no

096i'm not i can't imagine that for eric you can't go and then and then um eric says well you just approved lonnie i'll come um you know i i hate 30 33 years i've had every excuse everybody come to me and say hey you let him do it how come i don't get to do it you know so i just i think it just should be black and white you can't do this and but you probably disagree that's right i don't care but it just i've always had that sort of stuff come back to bite me right and so i i mean i would read it if you know you can't extend a holiday break period not without an employee just can't extend it and so no excuses you can't extend it then they're going

097to say well if i have coconut corn cheese so i think that's sick they switched her doctor's appointments to the day of studying holidays and the principle of the time told her you're not going to get paid for the state people and she said that's fine i understand that this is but i have to go to this necessary doctor's appointment so she didn't get paid for the day because she understood that she was extending her all day and she was finally not getting paid for that thing so i i i just i i had uh we're talking about personal belief and there's only two days yeah let's talk about kids for a moment in the classroom and so we're not arguing that point we just want to make sure that it's clear to your teachers

098right exactly what you're wanting the behavior i was trying to get something out we have personal leave days there's just two of them so if we're talking about taking a week off before or after christmas that can't be a personal tuesday we're doing it now someone says taking my two personal days tuesday and wednesday and i have doctor's equipment's thursday friday so edgar they've never seen it because they're taking the first place the two sick days they don't gotta bring them they may have to work that monday but the rest of four days extended by four days you're right that's the kind of thing and as i said to someone that rules unfortunately are made for those that break and that type of thing i've seen have not enough i saw that happen in my

099previous assignment but for sickly there's very specific requirements for sick leave so we don't actually have a lot of unless it's three days we take the teacher's word for it unless you see something like that so if that kind of takes care of it if someone's i don't sick that there was ever an issue with someone taking their sick time during that week i mean right so all of this all of this discussion really applies to personal things and there's only two and we grant as we say earlier in the handbook which the teachers agreed to we will prove plants can improve you know in advance two teachers would take the same personal understanding but not i think the third three some number like that but we have a limit to that because obviously we're

100paying 100 bucks for subs and we can get and it's rare so it means right now that the emergency kc and lands are setting that's taken away from the program for the rest of the kids so i so you have up to 200 hours of sick days that you can accumulate right 200 days right and you can accumulate yes okay then you only have two voter mandated sick days so we're we're grouping right now i feel like in the conversation we're grouping all that together because i could take 200 days and um there's only specific times that we ask for an excuse right yeah what the conversation was earlier on specific times so i can take the week before christmas sick so there's always your documentation okay okay so there's only three days there's really

101two there's really three types of leave that we're talking about we're talking about personal leave which is you could take it for anything if it's a birthday um yeah for black cupcakes and then there's the sick lead that is arizona sickly retirements that are very specific and then there's all the other days that you may have accumulated that the arizona requirements don't necessarily apply to what would be an example i see what you're saying a example would be so i think what the conversation comes down to is this here needs to be rewritten and be very specific about your requirements of when an employee has to bring in an excuse when you can use those days around a holiday and and just gonna have to be very very specific so that if i'm a if

102i'm a a bad teacher that wants to extend out my vacation that i can look at this very carefully and read all this and say okay so if i'm going to be gone and i'm going to use my my sick days it's very well written in here that i have to come back with adoptions excuse me other than those two days that the voters give me there's very and all the voters pardon me but policy says two days and um accumulate 206 days it's rare that a teacher doesn't understand that because there's two or three ways we talked to it but to them about the beginning of the year typically and we also have a far for example hurt powers at ncr performance called personnel action request almost anything that affects personnel or payment has

103to be hard to give that accounting takes care of that if i have evangeline puts in my life she's not a good example if a man that puts in two days a personal weekday for tomorrow if i'm the one that land signs it first then i sign and i'll say if there's accumulated personal leave and venus can check on the fun files and see if there's if because there's no personal need left and we reject and send it back so teachers know about it and they learn about it fast so okay i can i'm sorry can we can you say that you're saying that someone can ask to use their sick leave no we'll talk about personality okay so we're just talking about those two days in my example that voter mandated sick days were

104going to go away he was going to use the two days to go work at another department right you got a part-time job there you're going to go use those two voter mandated days so we said to him you're not sick you can't take those days and you know he said to us you can't ask me you cannot legally ask me what i'm doing on those days daddy researched it you know what he was completely right we could not ask him what he was doing all those days so we he had to lie but he he could take those days and go and um so those are the sort of things that that we're finding that we're having to be rewrite everything redo everything because those things are coming up now because they don't have

105the work ethic that you know what i'm saying they don't have that work ethic they they and and they're going to throw in your face and they're they're going to make you eat it unless you you know you're very um what and technically we don't technically ask penises and men around teachers or whatever but she's saying if you take these days and you want to get paid for it then we need a doctor you want to take those days we're not asking you if you don't bring in a doctor's host that's fine decided to pay for them so if i want to go and extend my prison vacation after five days and go to the philippines and i'm willing to take the cut and pay i can just go no we're not going to prove

106we're going to die all we could do we could take personal stock we could take personal action we could dock pay that's the first thing that would happen if that happened repeatedly personal discipline i mean typically you could have a person they want six extra days i'm calling it sick wednesday and thursday i'm using a personal day for friday yeah so this tool starts again i'm sick monday tuesday i'm taking a personal day wednesday that's why with that exact thing the thing was happening that's why i went down to two days that policy didn't support it so then you go back through lance was telling me a story a couple weeks ago about some of his former colleagues in the valley one district is paying as high as two hundred dollars a day for substitutes

107so they're worried about teachers in neighboring districts and districts are like across the street from one another of taking a sick day from ajo it's like a sub and he'll bend for two hundred dollars a day that's unethical stuff and that's what creates that's what makes rules like this necessary unfortunately and those people who are honest and have integrity they're getting they're getting impacted as well because as you said you've got universal treatment people it's frustrating but that's where things are so it seems tricky like you can't really have two different sets of rules for for some of the sick days you require documentation on day one and some of the sick days you have required documentation on three day three policies policy the land supports us for the three days what well policy is

108this is what you're asking on three days that's one thing we can legally by policy we can ask for a doctor's note they want to tell us that most doctors don't say i'm treating about doing your asthma or something like that we don't have to ask the doctor more frequently or they'll say lying guthrie's under my care at least three days something like that okay or are they gonna and we have some people that i say whoa you can't come back if they have an injury especially one of the maintenance workers so they have an injury they want to come back forward at work you get your release i don't want would it be inappropriate if we ask you to go back and leave part of this document to do the research you have to

109do to consider the different days off the paid sick time the district sick time and paid leave i can do that rewrite this i can do i want to do it with the teachers because this is their document and it's going to take some time i hope i don't our next board meeting i've forgotten about the fact when i had one long board meeting in march it's march 9th a month from the 9th but i hope i can do it i'll sure try because i want to get this baby to bed because i'm also going to bring back to you in march 9th the classified because we finished that about a week ago and um and then the classified crew is very i always stay picky about making sure that what certified rights are that

110they have unless the statute changes for example there's just no such thing as continuing status of employment for a classified person certified people had this it's nothing like what tenure was 20 years ago right because arizona legislature disemboweled tenure but um i'd like to get that approved too i want to get some things put to bed before yeah i hope so with our legislature right now so yeah it will change yeah it is possible that we apply the arizona laws from all of the sickly and to me that would be a nice benefit and also clear i think we are buddy the first 40 hours of leave is affected by third grade sick time launch that ars is not talking about teachers simply on personal treatments and policy because they've got 20 20 different now

111we the administration is just saying that applies to the first 40 hours of their a possible 1600 it seems like you wouldn't have to do that because if the fear is i understand that black updates call that but if the fear is that someone has 206 days and they're going to keep taking them they're going to have to come up with an awful lot of doctor's notes yeah right because after two days they have they'll be required to have common doctors nowadays right they've been in the classroom for a number of years and they've accumulated 150 sick days and it was right before christmas basically missed from thanksgiving the christmas break and it was legitimate they had serious surgery and that paid the bills um one of the things that not to be argumentative but

112i do then well i know some days um this is a political process when it's not full-blown negotiations like we saw 30 years ago but it's that type of discussion and so sometimes it's easier for us to sit here and say we can do this this and this i don't really want to take the team of teachers and say you're going to do this come hell or write water because then it doesn't become me for working nation's discussion because bob given new mandates and some places i have to do that but i want to be as gentle about that as i can because they're all good people and appreciate their support and their work when they're doing this yeah it just has to be has to be clear and i think i think i think

113maybe it's clear to them that it is all of us because they live it and if they've been here more than two years they they're pretty well understanding of what's going on another good part is all the wrist wraps later at the end of the year i don't believe that anybody so [Music] yeah maybe okay so okay so so you're saying that where it says we're paying we're paying and whatever their contract rate is so it needs to be removed okay so b and c 14 it says the superintendent they make salary recommendations within the district salary schedule um so so does that can you can you just talk a little bit about how it's course our summer schedule right now is uh not in good shape because when i came here salaries were so

114low that basically i cut the bond three years off the salary schedule right here absolutely raised so you could raise the starting salary from 28 000 to 35 and so you go several years where you get a raise unless you go unless you get 301 money the government gives us some money or they take additional credits additional hours to change columns so that's something i have not changed because we can't afford it if we do it we can't afford to pay the people it's going to be so that's a suggestion what the policy and the meet concur does is it says to me for example if i'm looking for a highly needed special ed teacher right now that's one thing if i am two days before school starts i know i've got five kids in

115that program and i need to spend an extra five thousand dollars for that teacher i do it because i gotta recruit and uh i did that to our former band teacher person came in i gave him a raise before they ever started because we needed a band teacher and a music teacher so they started with with no experience they started uh forty thousand forty one thousand camera because i needed that person now if i had been recruiting in february for granted you're going to have better that wouldn't have been desperate to be honest so that sounds really right but it's the real world so the policy allows that society okay so i don't i don't do my best if if my wife had come to work here number one i wouldn't negotiate with her i

116didn't let someone else do it if i'd given her a five thousand dollar raise i would feel very suspicious so you come down and tell us when you're doing that typically i am to know when it's happening when it's not based on this published salary schedule and why what justifies it i think the last time we did it was a teacher who uh it was across the board with the teacher that was h1b and when we do h1b to firm you have to check her pay and their fair labor standards or something like that and it was a thousand dollars less or more that we had to bump her up and if she didn't get any more education or any more experience whatever and he did bring that support it's been like six years ago

117what the law requires excuse me when we're bringing in an international teacher they don't want an administration to take advantage of that person just because they think we have a lot of more teachers make significantly more money in beautiful downtown ajo than they do in their home country they're just invisible there but we can't take advantage of someone because it was unscrupulous to say well they're not u.s citizens we're going to pay 10 percent less to start because we can get away with it that's like jim crow law you can't do that that you can't do that that's terrible so that's why if there is a range that doesn't include college getting an extra degree or getting more with whatever at the we do have to bring it to you and that's the only time

118that i can remember that every other time that if there's raises adjusting minimum ways that we're mandated to or it's the teacher came to us and said hey i'm taking math classes to go um there was a teacher that she's not here anymore she got her master's in curriculum and development and then even worked with the principal that was there to like be a co-assistant principal so that was because she got an extra degree it was in curriculum development and she was actually working with the principal as like a an intern that you don't have to because it's natural but for the other teacher six years ago that we did her her um her visa didn't work and the department of labor says you need to pay her an extra 1500 to match what everybody

119else is supposed to be paying for her grade level or whatever then that constructs the board but if it's her salary schedule you don't have to bring that to a board you just write an advantage and it's the contract that you've already approved the issue if that makes sense one of the things that's frustrating about that is that during the u.s news world report while we're funding arizona education 49th in the nation we're paying teachers when work when cost of living is factored in we're paying teachers in the united states right now in arizona 48th in the nation we're in costa only we're only behind mississippi and obama but when we factor in cost of living we're paying people 50 information that's terrible that's why you're a good teacher we that's exactly right we've got

120two decent people sitting here and you know i my daughter so i'm gonna get personal my daughter's a teacher in las vegas and i want her to come home and she wants to but she doesn't know if she's been there 15 or 17 or a bunch of years and i was very young to choose one and so she doesn't know if she can afford to come to arizona and we'd love to have her but it just takes me right off make sure you vote republican so quick question you said 101 monies three and so on so there was a line out all right again um so base salary schedule number 20 it says including the base salary including one-on-one moneys and that's been removed because we don't have those money okay so on the seller's

121side where it says and that should be removed just looking at the salary at the bottom it says 101 these are included but they aren't correct okay and then back to um hiring um employees that are um where that we just um voted for the contract for that and this is news in 2010 2011 2012 we had a lot of money so we have a couple of people that are getting a much higher salary because they didn't really didn't have a conversation about about how we kind of how when that happens with the board and it hasn't happened in a long time were at that rate previously this year yeah great but right now we're not giving people raises we haven't got the contracts out on one end sorry i want venus to get the

122contract done if you can so we can start blocking the hundreds of 30 days um we have the money this year to have the past week is [Music] is whatever from the 35 that they were making so it's not going to be exactly in line with what their education and their experience are because they were here and they qualified for that risk for edge so it went up percentages so if you try to pick a teacher and find them on the fellow schedule and they will give them right for it you're going to make yourself have a migraine if it's total confusion okay if that makes [Applause] off the charts exceptional circumstances then then they will be on them on this chart right yes we've tried this unless it's going over 100 they can but

123typically they're in a frozen situation because they're if they're beyond the salary schedule more likely influence ourselves [Music] uh if i am hired and i've been here for several years i i i automatically will work my way up the schedule um yes if you continue education so if you only have a va and you're here past 12 years this has worked for uh eight years before that you won't go past this number until you move over everything sure so that's where the salary step comes from it was down right so we had a teacher that was here 15 years and they worked that hole and they stayed here because they didn't move that's the same number and that doesn't have anything to do with it and the reason we did that was for recruiting purposes

124i first time i recruited asu houston was there they were starting teachers at 20 000 more than we were provide a round-trip ticket for two to houston maryland's twice there's no way i can i walked out there's no way i can compete no way now when i go to ohio or hopefully we find some schools for lansing i thought he's not that fantastic there am i right here better than here um a bunch of our teachers that came from maryland were here and then went back to maryland and they have they have awful parties in maryland and there's all of our old teacher friends there not all of us but lunch uh so i i understand that there's financial constraints um but like there's an obvious huge difference between the teachers that have less experience

125but they might even have a doctorate um we might have initial funding so and then you know that changes a lot obviously as you have not yeah as you work your way down and to the right but the other thing that i noticed is that it's super inconsistent like one year jump you might get 5 000 more dollars and then um when it probably depends on longevity and or education and then you might get eighty dollars for another job sometimes because going across you're going down experience-wise doesn't typically generates pay they're going across horizontal and education but sometimes it does like for nine to 12 years if you're going if you have a doctorate you go one jump down and you get five five and a half thousand dollars more um whereas the jump the

126previous jump was uh eight hundred dollars realistically you're not going to get somebody here because there's probably absolutely no way that's educational and only had one to three years this is these are that these are probably not going to happen so we have them there on the dollar signal but this and this how are you taking [Music] like one to three years this is not gonna happen it doesn't mean so you're probably looking here because these i know there's only a selector from here to here but this is where your comments were going to be ending up yeah i realized that you're more down at the bottom i don't have like yeah it's it's filler it's fun yeah i just i i just couldn't find like a pattern i know that it you know it's

127going to increase as you go down as you go over something else we don't want to sacrifice the good for searching schedule when i was a business 90 down here 97 because it's the first time i've worked with a small district where i had a hard time making payments so i wanted to give us some rain one of the districts to give a range instead of one year two year five years it's one through three four through seven six something like that so that was something different and it's it's it's worked for since 1998. wait so the same exact schedule since 1998 except because the bottom four steps off oh we changed it a couple of times like the actual the major change though it stays the same we've cut the bottom four steps off

128to raise because we want to recruit good teachers and um there's a lot of journal over all schools in arizona including us mostly because of our international teachers but uh if we don't get good people to start with we're not going to do what we've been trying to do so that's one of the things i've recruited uh care out of out of ohio i hope the salary schedule and my charm heads up the view of it and hopefully the school that was supposed to be a joke here hi diego also vertical movement is allowed well it's kind of factored in because the longer you stay here the more you're going to move right but it also could mean you could stay here you gotta trust that your administration knows how to run solar respectively and

129get things done okay thank you all for for suffering through this oh thank you for bringing it a long time is we should have done this an executive session before we started the process in october [Music] all right that's robertson mr goodley this duncan hi mr curtis and i and we have five to zero people in the vote on this and i will work for the committee hopes in the next three weeks next item on the business agenda was the approval of requests for a board against items a request has been made that report vote to requests be approved by the majority of people the wording on that is a little bit awkward to me but a board member was made to do a vote by the board on individual agenda requests to appear on

130the agenda so it looked more like we were all in agreement and as such instead you know and i know there's some agenda items we've had in the past that numerous war viewers have asked for and sometimes that didn't happen um i almost feel like we're kind of micromanaging ourselves by doing this but against it but i don't i just don't understand very happy it's if one person does it all the time well some of us i'm i'm not trying to put this room do some of us are more engaged with some of the stuff that's going on different items i i believe there's probably three of us that do the majority of the requests maybe some more than others and that's okay we're all governing board members here we're all gonna have different huge

131different thoughts processes um i'd hate to see people's agenda requests because there's stuff doesn't want it because that seemed to be kind of dangerous well if i put some crazy idea on it as soon as we start somebody could say that i made the most of the table it's just a wacko idea that gets tabled indefinitely definitely well he would do the same thing yeah but i think we should be aware of it and do it so i'm not sure how that i mean to do that say i wanted to make an agenda on the request for march then we would have to vote on the board to even get that approved to go on the march agenda so technically if you stop if i said right now i wanted a thing for march it

132would then have to be an agenda item for us to individually vote on these agenda items yep so it'd be another month before it even be on there so this is adding responding steps or it would require a special session on the board just basing this off personal experience i don't think that was intended i think the intent was if bob dooley's a board member says i want to put xyz on the agenda for march they list it down in the board votes whatever the list is the board votes yes or no but what what just without my previous experience as a president before his clerk i think is best like if we just keep continually at the end of the monday or wednesday or both i'd like to see this as a jedi then

133president board officers can look okay we have a log on this month but we can probably get a schedule here that way because something we discuss and we can find time for it like march pretty full i mean i could sit here and i said i want to talk about this this this in march can we do it yeah we could but we don't want to have too much yeah one side of the sword is i may want to get a jit item on and the and the board votes no we don't want that agenda right you know the other side of the sword is it prevents the president of the board from becoming engaged part of the agenda because now if we bring it up and then the board says yeah we want to

134we want to vote on we would like to discuss this and vote on this and the president boarded against it ronnie said no way i don't want to do that then we would still be able to go to the board and say you know what we'd really like to have this on the gender wreck and so you see both sides didn't mean that you're trying to censor one person from and not letting them get items on as a board it could be a way that the board can get items that the board's concerned about on the agenda so and we would hope that it would be the second way all the time yes it's not to say that hinder someone from putting something on it's just that we when this came a lot of it

135from nikki whaley when she was here right that that was one of the things that she said that you could do and it would make it seem more cohesive forward if we all agreed that that was an important item i've been trying to ask this question for a little while now so we have it right now in policy that any board member we can have something we have to contact dr billy five days before the meeting goes out to have something wrong so if i five six days before the meeting to help i think we need to have this agenda item we don't have time for the vote to get together to afford the inheritance is that actually going to be on the agenda eventually yeah but we don't have time to do it like

136i said at that meeting and all you're doing is just a quick quote do you agree with that agenda item that would take very much time it's going to add 30 days and then the next thing is on there antoine already knows that's coming so there would be something there and each of us that agreed that this was an important item and that's and we could do business together and i think it would get on the um on our schedule quicker that way because it's all of us together we agree right or whatever every question i am not at the need i i just i want to say that we do do that every time we we approve the agenda at the start of the meeting that's what we're doing we're saying we're okay with

137all these things and if at any point any one of us doesn't want to have any one of those discussions or votes you can say at the same time it didn't work today because i have said that we would have that we'd have the discussion on it on a discussion day instead we're here at 8 30. was that specific it was brought up to prove the agenda and it was discussed about just tabling the vote am i correct and then we decided once that item comes up then we'll ask for a tabling of the vote but still continue with the discussion i don't think it should have been because but we've i did that before so i'm not going to get into that but everybody else has the board of the administrator everybody else was

138fully engaged to change that agenda item so we would defer them out um so i had that motion and then we came up with an agreement that we thought would work you you also could have done that you could have said i i moved i moved to indefinitely postpone that agenda item and then we could both you could vote that and if we agreed with you then it would be indefinitely postponed and if we disagree then we go ahead with it so my point is every single meeting we do do this we do do what you're asking for and if there's anything that you don't want to talk about you can you can vote to postpone it and you can move to postpone it and if enough people agree with you we will and one

139other thing i want to say is nikki whaley did not suggest that we bring things forward like this she suggested that we almost universally allow people to place their their agenda items on the on the what you're saying right now so that other people can have a chance to talk since i have a chance to say that i object to this you need to make a motion okay this is silly to be arguing about this right now this is not a discussion period this is [Music] but that was when we had no monday night meeting this marcia i understand what you're saying but monday night we decided to have it as a discussion we've discussed this last year it's happened a couple stuff on times if you need to not just vote because you know

140i'm going to look at something i have a question about this i'd like to ask and get something clarified so i i don't want to look like we're trying to stifle discussion of any kind but reasonable well especially since the people were here for the discussion on this topic now now and talking on this just i just need 30 seconds sorry i'm sorry supporting the trusted officers and this is to me this is adding a step to when rodney and sometimes ronnie and myself and the superintendent meet to discuss talking about the agenda i thought it was a pretty big deal last year trying to keep stuff identized like okay i can't get it now we'll try and do it here we try to get it somewhere but we have to communicate do i think

141we need to have a board vote on every agenda request no i don't i don't because i think that's gonna maybe prevent some discussion prevent some agenda being brought up now if that gets put on by the board president he said i would like the schedules for here so like they said someone said i'd like to table this seem to get a second motion involved in but i'm not a fan of this i don't like this i don't think we need a pre-approval of agenda as we've spoken about later and then vote again on it that's just me i think myself rodney the board officers could say hey but you were there when uh nikki was here i understand it but i still was i still got what i was saying she did say that

142a lot of the school districts are doing this and so so that's exactly what i was trying trying to say so what nikki really suggested was that what what you're saying is in general agenda requests will be added to the agenda as is [Music] how if it works um in cases cases where the board president says no i don't i don't i don't approve of this it's inappropriate or it's going to take too long um she said that um the suggestion was that the person who's requesting it can then ask for this vote the type of vote that much is suggesting i could say okay well i request that we ask the board if they want to have this discussion um that's what she suggested not having it as a blanket thing for every item

143just in those specific instances where the vote for the item was being denied i just want to clarify that that's what she was saying this is an informational that [Music] um the recommendation is just that recommendation so i mean it's up to the board whether you want to table the vote you don't have to build on it you could just say that everything has to go or yeah if no one makes emotion then it was kind of felt i thought it was just we were just going to that's what i originally thought too and when i saw the voting grid down below if it's a discussion of it then [Music] good night [Music] so does anybody have a request for the future oh obviously um i do um let's receive this executive session oh no

144okay wait i think that might be one where we send out an email and see what data's done and work for the majority of the board remember to set a date you find out that we're not going to perform [Music] yeah that's pretty necessary you want to meet us in the email or if you send it out then we could all just respond to you individually are there any other and it was denied um and i i think but i don't know that there may have been a misunderstanding about what i was wanting to discuss the whole purpose of the request was to discuss ways to get the word out on the superintendent posting to our aho community and by that i don't just mean people that live in auto i mean the the families

145that have moved away from auto and their friends all of the people that are part of the extended aqua community i feel like that's a gap we have postings um like on national job boards which is great um but our our um our consultant can be expected to know how to get the word who can get the word up to um regarding more local communications so that's that's the discussion i would want i wanted to have is going to do anything to get the word out better and if so how do we go are you talking about searching for candidates so we can't because we can't do that we have a contractual agreement with them are you are you talking about like the stakeholders he's done it a lot so so i think he has

146ways of knowing how to get a hold of the community and especially where he works with mostly um smaller communities rather than the people's spectrum large communities see this is what the discussion would be good once you have it but we can't have it because it's been denied um so i am asking for that discussion discuss how to get the lord out um to the greater auto community and um like literally how how how that works like we send a list of um i don't know local organizations that we hope to share the information with um to the consultant so you can learn distributed um those would be the kind of questions i would not so i just want to say i i'm asking for it again but because i feel like maybe there was

147a misunderstanding can we table that uh because i think you'd be stepping on his job so i that's why we that's what the type of thing that we were discussing that we can say would you table it but it depends on what she's making that we can generally request because it's the time in the table at the time of this one it actually comes up on the agenda to be discussed i'm really i'm part of the reason part of the reason it's not on the agenda you're really really tripping on thin ice it's really borderline micromanaging yeah he has a contract i've talked to him and i don't have a dog in this fight but the district has signed the contract and we are bordering on he's not you can do what you want to

148do but aspa is not going to support it or pay for it so you got to be very careful i don't want asba to think this board is micromanaging it's not productive in your search folks at all i think that but i think we're also getting close to meeting my violations this was simply her making an agenda of requests and now it's become a discussion will just leave it as he requested this and so noted by the sergeant president thank you okay and now we know further uh