001profession of the personnel items from the december right and dr julie can you do that we have several items um i will offer the board my retirement letter wednesday night it's been a great experience that i've stayed a couple years so i appreciate the opportunity to work with our kids uh the second generation of questions um so this more uh procedural i understand you you've already retired like technically correct is this more of a formality the state allows certified employees to retire and return to work after a year at one time the district worked for the third-party company we've had about five people retire at one time and they were third-party employees employees that company for a year a year and a half and they came back those wanted to come back and came back
002in as a full-time employees which is legal i was one of those that came back in so that happened a few years ago and so technically yes i've been picking up my retirement and my my age range um it's 80 points at that time now it's 85 um because the funds went down a little bit but it was eight plus years of service and had to have 80 points be fully tested i had 96. basically and so we've had several teachers and i retired at that time then we came back a few years later i can't remember how many teachers came back um and yes it's legal we had attorney advice and we did uh your general or other monthly general article our largest plus the law once said you can work half time for
003a year for two years out for a year uh mango he's an experienced math teacher from the philippines he interviewed very well he is working with an agency in new york i would probably take it would take some time probably two months at least maybe three months for him to be here um he has a blessing with his uh principal and school district they use that tournament in the philippines um it was sent electronically so he didn't have anywhere that he could sign it scan it back okay you said it might be it's up to the philippine embassy how when they want to schedule it and when they want to send his passport to come over and right now code is still alive and well in the philippines and so the embassies are working at
004a slower speed than they typically live because they're there the next item is going to help address that if it doesn't i'll try to answer your question um the second math teacher um kevin wolfgram kevin is apparently residing in california um um he is a retired teacher in california he's been retired for almost maybe six months to a year uh he realizes that he would like to give like institutions and there will be a benefit to the empty states that it's all long enough from the stage over five years he can be fully vested in arizona's retirement system uh he will make substantially less money here than he made california but possibly against substantial address um again dr jim bolstein interviewed uh we were impressed um we can do this because we put in the
005uh sr3 grant extra math teacher and extra english language like engineering because we've talked about this for over a year our job last year is to keep students safe but in my professional opinion online education was necessary but it's not as good as sitting face to face with a good teacher and so some of our students didn't work to the potential and we're worried about them not getting ready to age vice so we'd already put this mr wolfgram uh when i talked to him in our inquisition last week on behalf of the board i said you know the board of women the hiring on wednesday i said can we count on you being here when it breaks up i don't see how you can do this but he said we're hiring wednesday night i'll be
006here monday morning so that's fantastic that kind of addresses the issue we have with kevin connect's uh vacancy and so we'd have an experienced teacher rock and roll he won't have certification he had their own apartment he's taught about 17 years in california um the next one i have governor bolts to talk with teaching staff is writing tutoring next spring in the past we have tried to do this using title one monies our arizona state tutoring grant depends on the state and the year and this isn't our state department uh we're using again we're using uh best or three monies for this and we want to start as soon as we can in january after school will be monday tuesday and thursday evenings afternoon just like we've done in the past wendy doesn't work well
007good very dismissable friday's not realistic because people uh students and teachers both have other things on your mind over the weekend so we're recommending mary chu beltran carolyn rodriguez susan islands tonight jennifer keller uh rayleigh romigo melendres maynard paris doctors in the audience to see alice cadiz richard brigadone april cavaliero the math teacher kelly aaron khan and addie one person special education with primary grades dr pamela david cruz and i'll i'll change the agenda item and have a new one on wednesday so again we have to pay 25 an hour so we'd like to tutor for um three hours after three hours a week i hope we can get a good turnout like one of the things that dr cabulge and staff are looking at us trying to identify kids that have a high need
008right now that aren't successful with their grades but that way they may be successful they may understand why they're great they gotta get those kids up to speed uh i believe that's what we're going to work on again is 25 an hour i will work with the county i'm going to talk to drivers tonight um about busing uh i think it's unethical to have this just for our old residents we have to provide this with pima county students as well and so that can get another cost of the county if we have two drivers leaving here after school and one of them's got as soon as it gets past i think kids would go back to uh to luca um depending how many students are there one bus one of the two buses can haul
00980 students which is more than we typically have but some of them are we've done some things like this in the past but i mean it suffices to say it will get many necessities to change the transportation of the county and they've always been supported by doing that so we have to get that started in january are you getting them snacks or something uh we have in the past i think yeah they say they're not great and they're not so tired i think in the past all i know is like when i was 715 we would get like granola bars or little bags of like animal crackers or something yeah i think they got it from food services yeah that's the same question i agree with you i think kids are running on they need
010to have gas and tank too the next item unfortunately is a resignation this young lady is an rn and she came back after being in the outer country for 18 months and a couple of weeks after we hired her back for a couple of three weeks she found a nursing job in casa grande so we'd see ago she's she's good good employees with kids but she's going to be the best graduating nurse um this position is another vacated teacher's day position uh genesis magical [Music] and so that's obviously vacancy again that's a special ed she used to do it one-on-one [Music] yeah so she was short she was here about about a full month maybe a little more i'd say max in six weeks um the next uh we have two pair of pros that
011we want to hire to replace our vacancies obviously um debbie house and debbie right now is living in mayor arizona by the universe the metropolis of mayor and she will be recommending her name she's she's her record if you read a resume or an application and see your personality looks good so um yeah megan you're right debra house is already here megan she's a former student advice went through 10th grade here graduated in high school in cottonwood arizona she's been working with cottonwood schools as a primary aide um i did not interview her dr jabal's interview as impressed so uh she's coming back to ohio so she says we'll be here for you so hopefully that's the case which you can have here has expressed interest in being a drama class sponsor for the school
012year he's had one performance he's going to have another before christmas the kids the kids did a good job and we've not had a long-term drama program for a period of time so we're recommending that he be a drama sponsor he has a good rapport with students he works well with the kids business it's the business approval of the 2022 boys meeting calendar um typically we do this in december or january and i thought after a meeting the other day someone said something but i had the feeling i don't know why that it might help you to plan ahead if we did it sooner than later what i tried to do is follow a pattern some of what we have as far as the mondays and the wednesdays we have the same place of the
013month a couple times we have vacation zones obviously we can't do that and there's an attached calendar with the dates we january 10 if we did the first and first wednesday and first monday we had a good day to come back from the morning break that's kind of a challenge so we're looking at january 10th and 12th february 9th and 7th march i'm sorry 7th and 9th march 7th 9th april 11th and 13th may 9th and 11th july 11 13 august 8 10 september 12 and 13 uh october 12 10 and 12 november 7 9 that uploads veterans day and thanksgiving and december 5th and 7th and the september meeting in the december meeting avoided the law conference at asba sponsors in september and woods the american conference aspa an asa sponsor in the summer
014of each year so i'll ask you about that changes the next item on business is um why'd you approve them um i think you have in your in your backup material that's what i thought i would review this quickly tonight and then i i regret that miss burns i emailed her and said should you be out will you be on zoom on monday or wednesday so i know she works with other districts apparently they uh have her obligated tonight and wednesday night and this is something we talked about when the budget was passed last year because it was such a different financial year because of abn and we always have the budgets at the board docs in july always had a semester i should say and sometimes the grant money those don't come in in
015time for the budget development so we estimate based on the last several years of a budget history the budget this year the changes are good news um we have um they call it daa we used to have two forms of capital and the legislature changed it several years ago to one form ea it's called district additional assistance that is the budget line that they tried to sell to educators that was an improvement because they had more flexibility it's not it's significantly less money uh but our the month the carryover from the budget we adopted to the budget i'm hoping you folks will approve tomorrow night it's an increase of 11 152 and mmo increased maintenance and operation increased 284 421 and the total so the total increase is not sections that are decreased but overall
016total increase of 295 thousand 573 the increase has come from the statutory change on allocation of funds we've got 186 thousand dollars yeah 186 thousand and eleven dollars on that um we had about 109 000 less expenses than we budgeted and we had interest earned 803 that's not a good investment but it's better than a java 9 or sharp stick because we had decreases in the budget um totaled about 1300 and about 1413 we had um the va the correct additional assistance after the 2021 budget year we overestimated over calculated by 270 so we have to take that off and we had less add-on money add-ons might be carried forward ahead than we anticipated one part so that was 1143 so that's those are the changes that people ask you folks to prove and that's
017my recollection we have to do a budget revision december and i know we have to be like but i want i want to do this last month we didn't get it around just but i thought it was wise to get that before and then because we have more funds now because enrollment is improved do you have an idea of what our enrollment looks like now compared to what it was like before yeah we recruit we lost 80 some kids during cove and the last time i checked we had we had recouped all those kids plus a few so theoretically our adm should be in the 22 fiscal year it should be a little better than it was the year was shut down what should have been and what was that 20 something depending on which
018day you actually check and and again you all know um it's not how many kids we have on the 100th day or the 10th there and it's an average period of time and it's challenging for those of us who've been doing this for a few years because up until about three years ago we always based the budget on prior year attendance so we had a hard number to plan on right now we've got theoretical we don't have to do this because we're physically pre-taped or conservative some districts have had to lay off teachers during the school year because if they budgeted for a thousand students and they only had 900 to show up whoops we don't have the money unless they have good carryover from the previous year if they haven't if they haven't budgeted
019a lot of plans financially we have to lay off staff as your progressive just like if you have your own private business the way it is it's hard to find big classified people we have not had to do that we had one since my my time in beautiful downtown ohio we had one time where we had the rift teachers induction force and that's been 2007. something like that you know yes and at that time you had to bring when your rift it was last in first out and so within five years or something like that if you had growth to the point if you could use those positions yet bring the persons back the legislature two years ago so that sounds perhaps kind of callous but it's meant to keep the best teachers in the
020classrooms that you that leadership feels you have so we have to do it so i'm glad about that many things and that concludes the budget and then the next one is um a discussion on the collection of what there's one more thing i should go on under business and again this is partly the result of the training folks in this room and a lot of the board members had mentioned a superintendent's search and i'm that's not my bailiwick right now um but i put in a florida genuine asba consultant spoke with board on the topic of superintendent search the board may vote you use asba services for superintendent search uh so i didn't say do it because i feel like that's kind of awkward so it's up to you folks but if you wanted my
021opinion i said yes so i spoke with the search person in aspa on thursday after a conservative period of time the search will cost forty five hundred dollars for district yard size and add expenses to that because on the when they advertise they don't drive to the eastern seaboard to recruit teachers but they recruit some um headhunter that's my phrase like there's some companies back there to do some searching for them and then there's going to be travel expenses and so on and so forth i think in round numbers but time you pay for expenses it'd be in the neighborhood of six thousand dollars i think that's a wise investment if you want my opinion we have we have extra funds with if you improve the budget tomorrow so because you all are busy and
022they have a lot of experience finding people that basically just give you three echelons of candidates like here you go these are all pretty good these are okay ah you want to think about this is what i understand i've not ever been through one i'll write to my best microsoft do you know if we were to use that do we have any input on what he would come down what priorities would he have been looking for i think so yes i know here one important thing is that being a small district that's oftentimes the stepping stone into a bigger district yeah better to have somebody who's going to have some commitment to staying after a while in fact when i came here a teacher and staff i was told to say i'm tired of the
023board higher these guys in phoenix are going to stay here two or three years a theater may have regretted that i stayed longer i don't know but i know professionally that children in on the reservation children some economically lower rural communities inner city schools um unfortunately staff moves on faster in those environments sometimes by doing the more fluent liquids i spend the whole career work in kind of communities and i personally enjoy them and those kids feel that i've heard kids tell a story now at least get used to people when you leave and so that's one of the reasons and we hear about a candidate and is that's my understanding yes yes and um and when i if the board goes to do this i would really encourage the board to invite the guy's
024name steve highland i've met him i did not even put him in charge of it he's uh he's he's an attorney i don't think he's taking the bar in her zone he's also a retired superintendent and i think this guy's a doctor in that leadership and so he's been around a lot and so i would if i were to view folks i really wanted to have extra board meetings but i think part of the january forward meeting one of the january meetings or the special meeting with steve say to ask these kind of questions how do we plan because it's going to be a real important decision i'm guessing that i've not been through a superintendent before i've been through a couple of principal searches we have the panel of staff and [Music] when i
025came here they knew me first of all i've been here two years three years prior i've been business manager for two years and so i came in i can't remember the order i had i had a community interview panel and it was ridiculous for 25 people sitting in i felt like it was in the nuremberg trial we're staying in diamonds auditorium there's a row of 25 chairs and i was sitting there by myself hitting that plate to put a clipboard you know you don't need my where i gotta have clipboard and and i interviewed the board party for two or three hours and uh i left and the board met later that night and made a decision and i think there are four candidates i think they interviewed two of us at that time they
026didn't go to search my predecessor went to a national conference and recruited their national national representative the nsa national school administrators conference and recruit didn't have a lot of turnout but i think that's why i think it's valuable to use that and the superintendent before was the principal and then the superintendent right and yeah he was the principal to give you a fast history my predecessor was a gentleman named martial he came here as a principal coach football and his friend and his friend in the district was the superintendent mr olive had been the principal for one or two years the superintendent came back from vacation all of his goods and quit and up a job and he took a job in arlington which was up by that guy and uh because his wife gave
027back i did not was told and uh and then someone was the principal and superintendent for three years business manager i don't know that i think that's something i can't imagine that being that way and i'm sorry i will send you that recording before i leave you i apologize i'm not doing the support for the crown i know nikki willie said it would be like a training like he would come down and then like spend a couple hours or do it on zoom or whatever with the board and answer questions and walk us through the procedure and how this would go and what kind of things that we need and blah blah and how we need to structure and then they take that information and then they go and start looking for superintendents based on
028our input for your input not mine one of the things that nikki stressed i think pretty very strongly the four members of president can come in is to board do a work self-evaluation to kind of kind of be able to line up your values when you want a little better your needs and then and that's also a good way to start doing some long-term planning it sounded based on what he said that um the process is pretty expensive in terms of them helping us step step through it and they do they do do customization so if we were really interested in safeguarding input from certain questions stay forward i can't say for sure that they would make that happen to steve on thursday about trying to save districts and funds and six thousand dollars is
029i think it's six thousand dollars it's good investments and he said he'd like to he'd like to get to know you so it's hard to know someone on zoom but hey i heard from matt that he would like to have at least one face to face with the board and visit with you and get to know you a little bit and give you some some survey questions to help give young guys to give aspa guidance and then maybe subsequent meetings and we would almost have to he's the hr director the title one director he's the superintendent he's the principal is the curriculum director plus the principal plus discipline so we would have to have that kind of inclusion to let the superintendent know if he could handle all the bunches together and um one of
030the board members is not president had asked for this to be on here and so i i included the policy which is vca a pdf which is a board organizational meeting just as you all recall in previous years we'll have three board meetings in january two will be the same night um the current president will call the meeting to order and historically this was done called the meeting order and the board will nominate and vote on a board president if if that person whoever wins will take over the chair immediately and then also have a vote for the clerk of the board usually two officers obviously uh and then during the meeting into regular meetings so that will happen the organization name will happen the night that the the monday night after the 13th i
031believe no 10th but the second happy january is i'm an accountant from um and then we have a regular meeting on uh wednesday that that we had new officers um last january the procedure that's outlined here on the second page is not the procedure we followed because we were nominating the president's um if martial was nominated and then it was seconded and voted on there wasn't a chance for a second nomination before the office and that's part of why it was asked to do this case it's [Music] that i provided tonight um one is bda that's a policy that i pulled off ksba site that's been endorsed by asba that's slightly different than our existing policy that i thought might be useful to look at and possibly even adopt and then the other one that
032says at the top so this is ausd governing board handbook that's this is just this is something i've i created from another school or site um that describes um a procedure that another school board organization recommends i modified it a little bit to fit in with our current policy but i i just put that together as as a possible option um additionally nikki she she did speak a little bit on this the other day and what she said was that the the way we we do it they call the quick draw method it's not recommended um there are two other ways that these school boards um proceed with the organizational election um one of them is to have a pre-meeting where you basically have a discussion people you know say if you say i'm thinking
033of running for a president just have a discussion in general with the whole group about it maybe even come to um not necessarily a consensus but an understanding oh this person seems like they want to do it and so when we have the meeting next um that's the first one we're going to vote on okay that's kind of what i thought a nice discussion was going to be that discussion but don't know how to do it [Music] right and if we chose to change what we do that delays it because we have would you say that we change something in policy before we can change [Music] i don't think in this case it's already been approved by asba so we just needed two two readings um but certainly the other board members need to look
034at it thoroughly and see if they want there was going to be somebody else nominated until you'd already voted on who the president was and that was just i'm interested because the nomination was made as a motion rather than a nomination and i don't think that's the best procedure to go about unfortunately i think the quick draw that nikki mentioned has become more common than perhaps it should because being a board president is not it's kind of a thankless job and so there have been times where it's hard to find someone that wants to be more present in in tons of districts and so if they found someone you don't want to do it okay fine let's lock them in before they can change your mind yeah in our case the quick draw nothing seems
035to lock out to block out the possibility of another candidate in general sure and we can when we do the voting me i can put in the agenda like discussion and vote so i mean you can take as long as you want to be taking it so the other method that that nikki mentioned and that's the one that um this this election board officers she lays out that's where at the meeting itself um there's a call for nominations you can nominate someone you can self-nominate and then there's an ensuing discussion um i might talk about why i think i should be president or i might talk about why rodney i think rodney would be a great president but we know each other pretty well so you know i see having an additional meeting as not
036um necessary unbelief circumstances i like the idea of how what you've said but you said they have a meeting just to discuss that i don't know i don't think we were doing that a specific whole meeting for just a discussion in that meeting that's not what we started out with right so there's nikki he presented two scenarios one where there's two meetings yeah three meeting where you kind of sort everything out in advance and then you just use both at the next page this this one that i'm suggesting now is [Music] yeah i mean i know and eric eric is going to ask for this so yeah well then this one too that was a motion and a second and then a vote then this one's just the nomination there's [Music] this other policy that
037i pulled from asga a lot of schools have adopted this um and it's only slightly it's slightly different from ours it has the addition of it's just a procedural thing the clerk may call the meeting to order if the president is not present or no longer on the board um so that's just like an administrative thing but the significant change is the bottom paragraph where it says in addition to the organizational meaning that we're made that we're present at any time for any reason so that is a significant change so [Music] the way it's voted it would seem like if you have an issue with the president each month you could be nominating to getting the president [Music] you could hopefully but i think with us we it could have been so um i would
038rather not have that in them so that another president would be forced to face some of the questions that i had or as being president because it's been very difficult to operate as president when you constantly have someone telling you to leave and my oh yes your husband for one like what are you going to do about it you you shouldn't be president but that is that's not to do with the board and a board decision but maybe the board might decide to go along with him and then that's why i object to that and it's not for me because i'm not running because i'm going to be off at the end of the year that's unbelievable so um i just feel that if you should have that to protect other presidents from going through
039what dr dooley and i have gone through this year what protects the other presidents is that you need three people need a quorum willing to do this to children in order in order to do it that's what protects the president the challenge of that is you're you're uh stopping slopes of violations yeah board president can't call the clerk and the substitute clerk can say i need you to support them as xyz and styles right so they're going to politics they can't it's very challenging that would happen in a in a meeting um right through three board members you can't keep working there's nothing behind the scenes and decide this no no of course not but what do you speak to one board member and the next day speak to the next board then no not
040legally not legally but that happens it does happen we're kind of sneaking into a violation right now the agenda item is to talk about the board officers and we're talking about training policy and now we're talking about that's what this discussion is about we're talking about chief of policy now not collecting part of yeah it's a discussion regarding the procedure for electing your officers and this is the this is the procedure for electing board officers what did you mention that the second page came from another organization multiple school districts yeah no no it came from uh i think it was texas association they had a full handbook on on a lot of detail about board operations i think the potential possible the possibility of a board president and go that every month um it's uh
041it's not healthy for the board it's not what we talked about last wednesday i think that there needs to be continuity it needs to be a chance for people with different opinions to work together it's going to happen what happens in relationships going to happen in the school board and if someone became angry and i had an ex support president he met mr exit for president he said you know i want to get someone to go against him it really kills i think it can harm the image that poor and that's i think it's very unhealthy i think the whole thing is good except for the last paragraph yeah and it's largely what we already have there's that section of the clerk um yeah i know that's not what we think about the last one
042in addition to the organization [Music] could lead to that potentially being every and there are options you know attendance um participation meetings things like that for some options built in that don't directly address officers of the board but their options built ins not enough because boards are elected by the public i had a board member arrested for molesting a child on my campus as a principal they never took him off the board that's frustrating frustrating but so there's severe cases like that that should be addressed we've never had to address one of those awful thank goodness but uh i think i think it takes away it could take a week let me say that it could take away um the need for board members to work things out i have discussions about why we don't
043agree and because those are done correctly those can be healthy yeah i don't know an argument for this for the stability of not allowing this you know a president is here for a year and um there's security in that you say that the administrators know who's going to be leading the meetings um i also think there's potentially significant issues with making it right here no matter what so bringing it back to the agenda item are we agreed that that we talked about we're going to have a discussion and then and then a vote instead of just voting that you want that in the agenda item from january i know because i'm gonna have to before the elections themselves no for wednesday no not this week no i mean when we come to we open up
044on the meeting the special meeting before the sun session the agenda item should say discussion and vote on fourth president yes okay yeah that but that doesn't conclude no okay that would have to be a whole separate item to provide the for policy sure so can we have can we continue this discussion on wednesday hopefully eric will begin i don't know that we should make it board organization meeting like this with that paragraph i don't think he would even he asked for a discussion for a discussion for electing board officers well this is this is um i feel like he should be part of the discussion could we add it as a discussion item for wednesday and hopefully eric's here and we can give us his thoughts i [Music] possible changes to the agenda of
045to the policy yeah i mean essentially the same thing but but for wednesday so we can all be here for it you aren't used for expanding have the same discussion right now no [Music] so you're just moving this actual agenda item to wednesday because other art because one lover's right here all right the last one is the um discussion of possible changes for um policy b-e-d-a the agenda preparation and if i understand correctly the blue paper is what we have now and the green paper is a change a proposed change yeah this one i propose what we currently have on the books and given um events over the last couple of months we found another one another copy of another version of pde va that has the copyright approval signature a language has changed instead
046of saying the superintendent with be approved before the president on behalf of the governing board as a whole may place others on the agenda and it has anybody any board member proposing for consideration or placement will notify the superintendent of the particular at least five working days before the change i am looking for is the main wording on it is the superintendent or board members may place items on the agenda and that way we don't have a problem where there are things that are being proposed that we don't i mean i know the dispensation will help us to avoid them not hearing back on them but um i think that would help avoid things like we have recently where the majority of the board wanted something nothing so uh ronnie you said the most important
047part is the superintendent or board members on the agenda would you be comfortable um swapping out these these two policies and um the rest of the policy has some has some changes not as significant as that but are you comfortable with this other policy because it already has asba endorsement yeah that's right that's what i propose that we discuss swapping out the policy that we've currently been using for this one that already has improvement okay so all the rest i think it's much more clear much than the original i remember mentioning that too nikki whaley on the phone and she was surprised and she said oh would you please send me a copy of both of those here's the challenge that asba's having staff is not agreeing on this and when she and i spoke
048about it um prior to last minute's meeting we got we have to get together as an espa staff on what we want what we believe on this and uh it's going to be interesting to see how they do that or if they do that well then they'll sort of send the policy advisory out if they change it we'll get that see what they have to say then which have that quickly but i thought perhaps we should talk to me more planning at the wednesday meeting that they were going to have that meeting prior last wednesday which version are you saying they don't they don't want anyone there's there's there's staff the staff is divided aspa and i say that i don't know what fractions but the staff her position for example is difference in people
049right the policies people rights policies don't support any change she does well and apparently too if it's got their recovery yet and as it's got their copyright symbol on it you've always said that means approved so they've approved both versions of it you just say that there's more controversy about the one that's green apparently she said oh the controversy i'm sorry the controversy of asba is about the current about the policy that we have [Music] and then of course just like before so when he proposes a complete off the wall idea just table it and move on or somebody proposes something that legally can't be discussed then on the spreadsheet there's a space there for a reason for [Music] board we have i don't see too many people you know see the crazy ideas coming
050out so at the training session i think he went through in a lot of detail um the agenda the process for building agendas and what she recommends we could put i don't know did you get this in the email email from her today um it's a summary of the of the training so there's a whole big section um that covers what what she discussed on what we discussed about about this exact thing um she sent it to everybody's school email so i'll just forward it to all your personal emails just so that i make sure that you have it thank you because i didn't i'm not suggesting we do but any of these things we could add to the current policy to make it more clear um but what she suggested was that we create
051um like if you want even more clarity we want very on the process of how how things go on the spreadsheet we create what amounts to a regulation our own regulation that um it flushes out the policy a bit more um and that could be added to the policy manual or not because they don't necessarily have to be published by sba as a regulation and i'm saying that that's that's all in here so we could put this on if this isn't on monday's wednesday's agenda for a vote but we could add it it has to have another first reading so if he was to come back and there's no changes by wednesday we could be a vote on wednesday or by tuesday because we need to be on the internet we're not going to get
052this down for you [Music] okay i don't think the attorney needs to see it accordingly that's one of those things yes all of our policies when we make changes that's not a policy and and also this is already an approved asba policy item when it's already been what did you think it's already been invented by a therapist about adopting changing policies what's one of the things you asked her it was a good idea to have lawyers look at it and she said yeah that's not a bad idea she didn't say we had to and she can't that's not our policy um this is a this is an answer when she said that was it clear that we weren't saying we were writing a new policy to be proposed because i definitely would want a lawyer
053to know that if we were creating a new one but for me there would be a difference if we're and could be wrong could would continue there would be a difference if we're switching to one that has already diagnosed with approval right but it's it's such a lot of fun right it's that that district approval with that statistics lawyer not our district approval with our district court right i'm curious though it says here bda and then it has copyright does that mean that from another school yeah that's but that's we're looking at the e b a the blue one yeah that's from the premium okay so yeah the copyright coverage one is this b-e-d-b-a it's just a different version of bbc but that's not this right now because that's the one i object to whenever
054we call asba and we ask them for clarification on policy their first answer is always check with your district order or run it by your district lawyer as far as it same thing with them will use the iga we have to send it to them every year and the district learner has to approve it every year so whenever we may change the policy that isn't run by the law or the legislature or the policy advisors it has to go through the district that we require a lawyer to review is lance and i we have done this every policy we've changed every policy we've changed that asba has not offered a policy advisory and nikki said it's obliged to see the way i heard his wife talk to attorney we always hear that from the people
055policy services at asba i think it's wise to continue for one more month folks to have the attorney take a look at it well should we take i'd like to see it tabled until we have more information and the other board members are here i don't think we should rush it through in 24 hours it's still working hours no question for what then is the significance of the copyright symbol from asgore the copyright i mean we know that it's one that asthma has approved which to me is more than saying this other district approved it because asthma has also approved it's not just that district lawyers who can use it too one thing that has a little stress to you is the copyright does not mean that they support us legally if we make a
056mistake based on following the policy because they're not they're not our legal representative that's why they want us to go they have lawyers all over the place at asb but none of them are supposed to give districts any legal advice that's why they want us to go and get the legal advice from our own on a lawyer and that's what we've done we do it with animal use we deal with anything but that's different from what i've heard you say in the past about the copyright symbol on there because when you know where at one point wendy had proposed changing one policy and it wouldn't have been one more than one copyright they will not give us legal advice like chris chris who was the uh executive director at asba for years was an attorney
057he can't give any of us advice when we call he may say something in passing in the hallway that's not legal will print anything we send them that's policy sometimes they want to make sure we're not going off on a law goose chase so to speak so that's why they're saying our lawyers won't confirm it but you need to have your lawyer look at it i've not had a time i've asked about a policy they haven't [Music] but it's like if we want to call in good advice yeah you did this right or you know it's more of a advisory thing lawful out of the law if it's not copyrighted if it's copyrighted they're supposed to they're going to give us full service whatever that means i've never had we've never had to deal with
058a lawsuit against an adoptive policy okay i hope you have too well i'll say i certainly would like to change these two policies but given the fact too that like you said there's one month left and um since marsha has said she's not planning on running it seemed to me okay a new president would be a would be a good time to start a new policy especially since now we have the spreadsheet in place to help with the next month i know there's a camera so i believe that so this would be is this considered a first rating no january no it wouldn't be like i think i'm kind of i want us to end up in an infinite loop is there a reason first reading could not be onward i'd like to see two
059more board members here frankly yeah i know if we have a forum we have a legal meeting tonight we could yes we could i don't know why we could but whether it's good practice or not that's something i'm answering that i don't know let's practice without having uh other people's influence [Music] that's why i'm proposing we did the first meeting on wednesday and hopefully those two meetings would be here we should be here yeah i don't like the idea of a reading on changing your major policy with only three of the five words that's why i'm asking if we can put it on the agenda for wednesday to do the stuff where you're getting first reading sorry and then if they're not here again then we go from there right and then if they are
060that gives us a month to send it to the lawyer i can agree with that so removing this agenda item to wednesday also it's going to be different who wrote the green paper that's straight from policy from which which of the districts there were multiple districts that use this same version so they were straight off of their policy bridge page and the type of agenda preparation dissemination that the various policies used by vicki's history how'd you find out that information on your website for all these schools you met too well through the website to the astral website and punched in this is what i'm looking for documents from every district that have something labeled within the preparation how many different policies did you find how many different policies did you there were mentioned it was
061mainly those two there were other lines that weren't actually policies happened to hit some of the keywords but those are the two that i noticed um and they both have the copyright symbol i can go back and see if there are other ones there that i figured too with the copyright symbol being there i'm glad this has a copyright assembly and alive i feel safer yep that's specifically what i was looking for one that i do so when i was looking at these before i can't say it's exactly the same one so i don't have a 20 poles but um most districts had adopted one of the two either the one that looks like ours or one that looks like the alternate so we'll put this on his first reading for the further when he's
062the eighth can we make this declaration that as long as the other board members up here okay because i don't want to do it for just three people no first reading is just a discussion oh well yeah but then the next thing you know we've already had the first meeting so no no they don't they've been yeah so okay then there's a little more discussion can we have a call for future dental items on wednesday no we've been doing it on mondays and wednesdays for a while now on the agenda that was actually my first request was to have it added because we keep doing it but it isn't on the agenda i'll put it on the spreadsheet but i i mean it's not an agenda then if there's no other items that are on
063the agenda we can't just discuss things up on the agenda monday and wednesday and it's not a discussion it's just it's a statement of future items as long as you don't realize that they're not going to be on the agenda the next day i think there are certain cases is