001linda speaking could you hold on for just a moment i'm wondering i would like to just see who all is on um i only see six so maybe it's something that in my zoom i'm not able to see everyone that's right that's right linda this is david it looks like we have six right now and we'll go on uh basically right now because it's four o'clock so okay great looks like we are now on the camera there um hello everyone it is four o'clock now is the time set for the board meeting the arizona state schools for the deaf and the blind um we have a uh special meeting thank you for everyone to take the time to come meet with us today and thank you for uh or to the media production staff to
002to make this happen on zoom uh once again uh we'll start with agenda item 1.01 call to order and roll call sue k could you take the role sir brittany buchanan i'm present linda bove presents lynn davison president mike gordon i'm present dean howard pv jantz myself sue k conifer is present david nigro and aaron wonders president david if you're speaking we can't hear you sorry about that um we can move on to 1.01 discussion and action item of the approval of the proposed lea bills you know this is a matter that we talked about at our last regular board meeting um the the proposed changes weren't uh exactly nailed down yet so that's why we call this meeting to go over the the proposal and just to set the context a bit as you
003know there were some statutory changes earlier in the year um that caused uh you know some changes in the way that the agency operates um in some regard and a few issues kind of arose because of that um you know relating to several issues transportation in key one but there are others uh so what we have here is a proposal from the agency uh to bring to the legislature to ask that they implement these changes to resolve some of those issues and with that i will turn it over to maria murphy to explain these documents good afternoon mr nigro members of the board this is maria murphy director of policy and government relations you have before you copies of the proposed changes of the draft bill that we would like to present to the arizona
004state legislature in january there are two components to this draft legislation the first is for section 1306 of title 15 and essentially what this proposes to do is to adopt permanently some of the things that were put into what's called session law with the last session so what it does is it makes it extremely clear that asdb is considered a district of responsibility as well as being a local um a local educational agency it um clarifies that we are responsible for faith a free and appropriate public education now what this is meant to do is it is meant to apply to the tucson and the phoenix campuses as well as the programs that are located at fbc as well as desert voices because they are considered asdb students they're considered enrolled in asdb it also
005makes very clear that if asdb is no longer considered the least restrictive environment the school that the student previously attended would need to re-enroll that particular student so it would also place on asdb the onus that our iep team would need to invite that charter or school district to any meetings that would determine a placement status and would determine potentially re-enrolling that student back in the public school are there any questions in regards to yes um uh d arizona state schools for the deaf and blind shall hold a placement meeting for pupils enrolled in a campus-based model at least annually to review the people's placement status and she'll invite a representative of people's home isn't that our annual iep meeting that we are required by law to have the iaea yes and it is um
006it is uh contemplated that we would be able to hold these meetings at the same time so we would not necessarily have to hold two different meetings we would just be holding the one meeting and that would satisfy for for both so this is a separate meeting from the iep isn't to review placement that's what you do at the iep meeting every year it's meant to be one meeting so the iep meeting and would it be more clear if we also addressed the iep meeting since that is by idea um required annually at least annually you can have one anytime but um it's required at least annually and that is a placement and least restrictive environment determination okay um just to make it clear so it doesn't sound like it's um the other question i
007had was in new h where it says a complete record of every person admitted shall be kept from the date of his admission to the date of his discharge or death um i think this is old language from when we were considered you know the institution um what is the discharge is that graduation um or death [Music] just asking okay so my apologies lin because i do not have it open right now let me go and open it so i can look at what you're at what you're saying my apologies uh okay i'm sorry now i'm at h could you just please repeat your question lin okay where it says a complete record of every person admitted shall be kept from the date of his admission to the date of his discharge or death what
008is his discharge okay so understand death yes yes so um i would presume and that's a dangerous thing to do when you're dealing with statute but that would mean um either the child has graduated or the child has potentially been released back to the local school district or the charter could we make that more clear yeah okay this is linda i agree i would like to clarify that this is sue k i would also like further clarity is as if those are the only two options i would think if they transferred or moved any of those would be considered discharged as well so we might want to get a little bit further clarity on what that definition is right it's not educationally educational lingo to discharge and um a little bit of an odd choice
009yeah um and just above that in g where at the end of that paragraph um uh they shall locate or establish a program to meet the child's needs in consultation with the department of education and any other appropriate agencies is this to look at other agencies um that are accepted by the ada for placement um this is a list of approved day schools what are we looking for at the department of education so i believe that this would be just other different day programs or other potential schools so we're talking about the home school district here and the superintendent of asdd so that would be to try and find another another appropriate placement making sure we're clear um now that i've got the floor i'll keep going um and i is if there's any question
010regarding the propriety of placement or admission of any person received in the schools a governing board of the home school district or the board of the schools shall make an investigation into such action as it deems taken isn't placement part of the i what the iet iep team does you would reconvene the iep team to determine um the placement before it goes to a board aaron can you help with that excuse me this is pv i just wanted to note for the record that i am present thank you yeah i guess the the way that i read it is that if there's if there's a question outside of the iep process so perhaps a parent raises a concern that it's a directive on looking into whether or not the placement was proper but that would
011be convenient through the iep meeting is my understanding right i think we need more clarity on that one because to make it sounds like you just go to the boards and that i've not heard of that i don't know if you have aaron but um think that needs to be made more clear so lynn what you would like to see then essentially isn't it is something clarifying that if there is any question regarding the propriety of the placement at the iep team meeting then this the governing boards would get involved is that what you're trying to to say well i know the iep team would be the first i've not heard of it going as far as a board aaron can you yeah i'm not i'm not sure what the escalation process is i thought
012that if there is concern it would go through like dispute resolution if there's some significant disagreement with the type of placement um but again i think the at least from my perspective looking at the language i think the the directive in this was trying to align some of the the changes in last year's legislation with the statute and not like that that piece wasn't one of the ones that was touched so i think that is potentially a question in terms of the drafting of legislation is to what extent is is there additional changes outside of that pathway this is linda i have a question thank you this is linda bove and thank you lynn for helping to clarify those sections that was helpful for me as well my question for maria is um has the
013um school's attorney general had an opportunity to review this proposed language um 13 no yeah yes okay and i was just um curious because the point was um brought up lynn and aaron um both mentioned some clarification that um is beneficial and i was wondering if the ag had any feedback on on any of the language to make sure that we're not overlooking any loopholes or something or overlooking anything that may be misinterpreted down the road due to a lack of clarity so um it's nice to have some some other people in authority on the same page so i do appreciate that having the extra set of eyes on it thank you maria you're welcome and if i may um i also just wanted to on behalf of the agency thank maria for her communication
014and the development of this language we we had the opportunity to to review it and um think that it meets the needs in terms of setting the pathway forward this is mike i have a question please bye chan um this is not necessarily around the wording of the statute but i'm curious when it comes to our contractors with that foundation of blind children and desert voices how many students are being served in those in those two uh partnerships and are those annual um annual contracts that are awarded or i mean how are how are those negotiated and or uh procured and just just curious because they're going to be included in this it's a it's a little different than our two brick and mortar schools uh per se certainly and um annette please feel free
015to jump in if i'm giving the wrong information but it is my understanding that currently desert voices has approximately three children and fbc has um somewhere in the realm of about 80 children yeah and mike this is david um we did an rfp process um for a couple of years ago two years ago uh and a contract was awarded to desert voices for five years um and uh we just again you know this year uh as a i believe was reported the last uh board meeting uh finalized a contract with fbc uh and that is a uh it's a one-year contract but it's renewable up to i believe four or five times if i i reviewed the last copy um that's uh that's where we are there so you know again they get renegotiated and
016or renewed um you know in the fpc case every year and and uh you know at the end of the five years from desert voices were already two years in um i maybe we'll do another rfp process or go through the state procurement process to renegotiate okay and is it the fbc is that a k-12 or k-6 or how what's the uh age group trader the uh fbc has um i mean fbc is as a institution has preschool through fourth grade uh we're really only talking about um children that uh i i as i understand it um yeah we're talking about you know above age three um so it would be you know not not the early uh intervention program where we send itineraries uh to the homes um but it would be children that
017are over age three like a preschool okay yeah three to five correct it's very yes in that thing that three to five right so at five you you'd enter kindergarten and nothing like that's being offered in uh tucson not at this time there's not currently a preschool for the blind in tucson okay thank you bye bye bye bye either fcc or the agency thank you answer my questions are those all the questions for 1306 um i i will go ahead then and that had her hand up oh i'm sorry and that i didn't see you this is annette speaking my question is for the board uh lynn recently asked for several revisions um so what does that mean at this point do we need to rewrite that and come back to the board for approval
018at a different time or uh do we make note in the vote um itself of the proposed revisions that the board wants this afternoon um or how do we move forward um and then i think those revisions are are minor and i i think that we can improve them you know with some leeway right i don't think we need to have word for word you know fidelity with what we passed i mean i think if we have the direction that because you know unless anyone on the board you know if we have a motion that includes um the proposed changes as uh as modified by lynn's comments then i think that would be okay is there any any disagreement on that this isn't it okay sounds good all right um please procedurally okay so um
019miss murphy if you can move on to the next the next document certainly so the next document is proposing to revise um title 15 1204 which is also called the special education voucher fund for state institutional placement and what we are proposing to do here is to revise the group a and group b weight fundings specifically for capital outlay as well as for transportation currently um capital outlay is funded at 100 per student and what we are doing is proposing to um to change that to a minimum of 450 dollars for preschoolers with disabilities to a maximum of five hundred and ninety dollars per student and that would be for grades nine through twelve um and what we did here is we because we were able to do the research and find that the state
020institutional voucher does not include any kind of additional assistance we believe that it was very reasonable for us to request this funding in a manner that would be consistent with what public school districts are receiving so what we did was we used the formula that would calculate the additional aid for school districts it's also known as the daa funding and this is what asdb would be receiving if it was being treated similarly to a school district um it also revises the group a and the group b funding from a flat fifty dollars per student to a rate of um five dollars and twenty three cents per root mile and our transportation department and director duff took a look at it and made these um calculations because in looking at tsl funding also called the transportation
021support level funding that money was actually insufficient for what asdb needed tsl funding is what school districts would be would be receiving and because of the unique nature of what it is that asdb does we would need additional funding which is why uh transportation calculated that 5.23 per root mile would essentially be able to to make us whole so that is in regards to transportation we then would be asking for additional funding of 69.68 for our high school students for textbooks related subject matter materials and again this is consistent with what school districts receive for their high school students um we may also if possible ask for certain additional funding for textbooks because of the additional costs of assistive technology and braille books particularly for our blind and low vision students and then the final
022thing that we did is that we were stipulating that the amounts for capital outlay and transportation would be increased subject to the growth rate um we're hopeful that that will pass because at this time public school districts do not have daa the district additional assistance um increased subject really to the to the growth rate so so this is everything that we are asking for um in 1204 the state institutional voucher this is linda i have a question speaking of the five dollars and change per mile that's per student um and so we have some students that live farther away so how are we calculating for distance can you explain a little bit more about how that works certainly um this is not being calculated per student it is being calculated per root mile so what
023we would do is literally calculate the number of miles that the bus is actually traveling and it would be five dollars and 23 cents per root mile for that student okay so we've got a lot of students that may live farther and some a few that live closer so i'm wondering about the difference in calculation um so it wouldn't really matter the number of students on a specific route i'm just wondering how that how exactly that place was so what we would be doing is we would be measuring the number of miles that the that the school bus is traveling the route mile okay i have one quick question this time um part d where it says the director of the division of special education shall develop requirements for the approval of vouchers who is
024that director of the division of special education um are you asking for a name no i did where is this ade is it yep yes it's my interest yeah who is that okay yes so um it's my understanding that that's um ade rec gary let me read this hang on let me go back and read it yeah that's my understanding as well is that the department sets requirements around the process for vouchers to be approved subject to the statutory provisions okay i just didn't know who this mysterious director of and my apologies because i want to make sure i'm reading all the sub sections to make sure that i have the appropriate context for you like that's my only question this time so okay okay that's a good question um are there any questions of
025tv yes this is pv jams i do have a few questions um i was waiting to see if uh if the others um answered questions on my behalf but now i will throw them at you so first question related to transportation cost is that a fixed rate i'm just wondering um once that legislation passes if it is approved if that rate will change if it does not change how will that impact our transportation budget five years down the road ten years down the road um even 20 years down the road as we account for for changes in the economy that's a great question and um right now it is fixed at five dollars and 23 cents per mile but what we have done is we did request that the transportation could be increased by the
026growth rate prescribed by law if that is appropriated so hopefully um with the growth rate we would be seeing um that number incrementally growing year by year okay and the growth rate meaning number of students or growth rate meaning inflation or cost of gas or what are we talking about inflation okay perfect i am happy to see that um and it would be great to make sure that that number stays in alignment with other districts secondly um that cost would be an estimate and then would also be considering if asdb needs more special buses with special equipment would that be built into that budget as because that you know as you know um that type of specialized equipment can be pretty costly compared to a regular school bus it is my understanding pv that um
027the transportation department took into account all of their costs including uh labor as well as materials to determine that 5.23 per root mile rate so that that is taken as a whole when we made that calculation okay wonderful third question um i wanted to go back to d um lynn had mentioned section d and i do see i haven't seen it in the document but i may have overlooked it um so i'm hoping for some clarification related to the statute where exactly parents go to register their students if they want their child to go to asdb okay so um that is actually covered in the other document which we have previously discussed which is 1306 that outlines the admissions process and it specifically states that that the iep team of the home school district and
028asdb together and the parents are represented in that iep team meeting determine where the appropriate placement is for for that student but that is in 1386 not in 1204. okay um if you don't mind then i would like to revisit 1306 really briefly just to get some clarification okay um so does that mean that every year the iep team has to determine whether a child can go to asdb campus before they're able to register for the following school year so it is my understanding that the iep team is supposed to convene every year and one of the questions that the iep team um discusses every year is is asdb still the appropriate placement are are we still the least restrictive environment for the students so that's something that should be happening every year anyway annette
029please correct me if i'm wrong you're correct this isn't that's correct and this is pv um allow me to rephrase the question what exactly will be the registration process annually after the iep team has agreed on placement after the iep team agrees on placement then the student would be registered directly with asdb we would not have to go through the process of having the local home school district registering the child which is what was happening previously the child would be registering with asdb okay um can you show me or point out to me where in the language that is um so i can just kind of get a better handle on the meaning behind that sure let me go back it never opens when you want it to reopen sorry i'm having difficulty opening it
030up hold on one moment let me try this again there we go okay totally get it i i'm so sorry the amazon internet issues i i beg your pardon okay and i and i'm toggling back and forth between two different documents so we are talking about 1342 admissions and what we're talking about is that evaluation and consideration of placement shall be made under the direction of the chief administrative official of the home school district and um it also notes that if a parent directly refers to asdb that we have an obligation to refer back to the holden school district and arrange for the establishment of the iep placement team to do an iep team meeting and then b specifically states that the iep team would determine what is the appropriate educational placement for the child
031and under that it talks about everybody who is specifically supposed to be in the iep team meeting making sure that there's somebody from the home school district the parents a certified teacher um and somebody from asdb as well as if appropriate the child him or herself okay i'm still not seeing where that list is in terms of who's responsible for registration of the student after placement is determined um i don't believe that registration would specifically be in the statute me go to okay then how would how is registration determined by other school districts well typically it's a it's a process or a procedure so i that's how it's been done in the past annette can you help me with this one sure this is a net our statute um in admissions um is not is
032admissions not registration is a technical process um for you know going into um paperwork and um all of that but the admissions is what's in the statute when the iep team has determined placement that if if asdb will be the place and we agree to take that student it has to be consensus and it has to be agreed on by the iep team during that meeting then that student is admitted to asdb they have been accepted into asdb by the um iep team and then the registrations process takes over from there and that is not in statute i just went back to double check and registration is not anywhere in the statute but admission is mrs pb thank you superintendent i appreciate your clarification related to admissions what will set the procedure or clarify the
033understanding that once the iep team has reached consensus and asdb has accepted that student then what then the student would be considered to be admitted and we would start the the registration process and then make sure that we were holding the at least annual iep team meetings to determine placement to determine progress towards the iep goals etc so ms murphy in your opinion regarding that language is this language sufficient so that if the legislature legislator approves it then we will not face that registration or admissions issue again in the future as we have in the past um so petey it is um not just necessarily my opinion but it has been run by our assistant's attorney general it has been run by the department of education and our subject matter experts internally as well and
034we are all in agreement that this should be sufficient to prevent those problems in the future wonderful that is what i wanted to know and make sure that we are crystal clear on that point so thank you for your time and um going into more detail about that for me of course i i wouldn't ever want to just rely on my opinion my opinion is just one person's opinion so i want to make sure that we have the subject matter experts looking at it as well perfect this is um pv again the funny for thing for me um is that you are very well versed in your job and i have always appreciated the information that you've shared with us and what you've presented to the board well you all have asked what you've been
035explaining um and what you've provided is very satisfactory um and i'm happy to know that hopefully uh the community will be able to um see that a lot of work and a lot of effort has been put into this to develop it in a manner that addresses all of those issues those admissions and registration issues that we have faced and talked about for a very long time now hopefully that will hopefully the community will be satisfied with that explanation as well so again um thank you for that due diligence and for that extensive research i appreciate it thank you for the uh for the very kind words and this was absolutely a team effort and it was a cross-agency effort with um the attorney general's office with ade as well as our own subject matter
036experts within asdb so uh and actually i think that the input that the board has offered me today is very very helpful as well so thanks to all of you wonderful thank you are there any other questions about transportation and i think we should know that you know even though you know this statute would provide you know an additional revenue stream for the agency uh the agency is the new responsibilities of transportation that we were not bearing before that was formed by the school district so you know these students were all transported uh by their school districts to uh the agency schools those school districts were receiving funds as ms murby has noted through the daa support through the tsl level support those school districts will you know then lose those funds that are associated
037with transportation for those students and now the statute allows the agency to access funds to transport those students now because of the route miles and some other factors it may not be dollar for dollar but the the end result is the school districts won't have responsibility and won't receive funding for those students for transportation uh and that's going to be moved over for the agency um you know to provide that service uh yes this is tv thank you president nigro um you brought up an excellent point um and that i wanted to go back if you don't mind to the transportation route mileage issue and i'm wondering if that includes potential transportation for assistance on the routes for nurses for additional staff that may need to be transported to care for our students that is
038an excellent question and yes um labor was contemplated in this and we specifically went back and looked to see if the additional students in terms of the foundation for blind children as well as their desert voices was going to change our calculation of the 5.23 cents per mile and transportation determined that it does not change it but yes it absolutely does include our costs for labor as well and that's not just drivers that's chaperones nurses etc okay um is there um anything built in or a cushion um for let's say if one year asubb happens to have multiple admissions of students who need transportation additional assistance like nursing or something like that is there a cushion in the budget to allow us to cover that cost or another way to get another way to cover
039that cost um i just want to make sure that i understand the question that you're asking are you asking whether the 5.23 cents per root mile builds in a cushion i'm asking if for example one year we have an increased admissions and we happen to have a lot of extra students that need transportation support services like nursing or additional staff on those routes to support those students is that cost that potential increase of cost covered based on the number of students enrolled or how is the agency planning to cover that potential cost and is there some kind of built-in consideration for a potential increase in that cost that aligns with that specialized services that some students may need annette do you want to take this yes this isn't it okay this isn't that um that
040is a budgetary question and it's not really something that we can put into the proposed legislation we are asking for five dollars and change um per route mile um and that was based on a calculation that um we believe will cover our costs um if we're talking about a a year that's a little bit off from our norm that five dollars in change cannot change to accommodate any increased expenditure in a given year but we have done our best calculation with potential costs based on the factors that we that we know of but know that that cost is not allowed for um flexibility from uh year to year based on any changes we may have in enrollment that's why we're asking um for that inflation consideration so hopefully we will continue continue to get that
041inflated rate as necessary the question that you're asking is more related to our budget which we wouldn't be addressing in legislation that will be a separate conversation pv said okay thank you right and uh uh this is david i was uh just to follow that the you know because it's per route mile you know the amount of funding will scale with the number of students that we need to transport but it's not one to one it really depends on the route mile so if the students are if they all live close to each other and they're close to the school then you know that we're not going to see much more uh increase in route miles but if they're further away and we can't fit them on the same routes then that's going to be
042a little bit larger so it really depends on transportation but you know the key to this is that this scheme of transportation support mirrors what school districts get uh so school districts face this problem as well um you know or this issue uh this logistical issue will face it as well but uh we are are you know with these changes should they go through uh the idea is that we would uh have a funding stream that was comparable to uh the school districts where we don't have that right now um tv if you're asking about the the nursing services you're right that as an lea there are additional nursing costs with some students who need it that are shifted to the agency from the school districts um in a you know a non-trivial amount for
043this year and that will amount will change as the student enrollment changes and the students needs change um but as superintendent argument mentioned that's really an appropriation issue uh that we'll deal with on on that side that doesn't really require a statutory change um you know like like the transportation there just isn't a statutory scheme to provide transportation support to asdb because the school districts were you know we're formerly doing this um are there any other comments about either of these uh either of these items no so i think you know at this point we probably want to entertain a motion to uh to support uh these changes at the legislature subject to lin's comments lynn i don't know if you want to summarize those two points so that we're we have a more clear
044record of what they are i mean we have a record we have the record of this meeting um but if you'd like to say we we if you want to if you can summarize them in like three sentences and say um that we support uh these changes um with modifications uh to address those issues there um maria maybe you can i i saw you writing so so so i actually and i apologize for interrupting you lynn i actually counted four items um that you had brought up and the first was to make sure that we were adding additional clarity to the language that what that the iep meeting and the placement meeting could be one meeting and not separate meetings um then uh in part h that we need to make uh discharge clearer uh
045that discharge would be either graduation um aging out or potential removal from the school um and that i beg your pardon and then the third one would be uh what what happens if there is a disagreement between the different members of the iep team um about where the appropriate placement is so what happens if it is if it is escalated so does it go to dispute resolution or would it go to the asdv board or the home school district board so did i get everything lynn yes what she said okay thank you okay yeah um excellent um so at this point would would anyone like to move that we adopt uh the uh that we adopt uh support or that we we support uh presenting the legends the proposed legislation to the legislature uh subject
046to the comments of uh that maria has summarized david this is lynn i'll i'll move that we uh support this legislation with the um minor changes and clarifications basically it's not really a change it's more of a clarification to this legislation okay um this is pv yeah second okay um all in favor you can you can say i or turn on your video uh and give a thumbs up say hi okay and i i'm recording um yeses for everyone except for aaron um and then the next i'll take any uh nays and i'll be abstaining and then any abstentions right so okay so then aaron uh great um excellent thank you we can move on to our next item and the next item on the agenda 1.03 discussion possible action item change of work study
047session dates um i know um you know for for this one uh there's some thinking that we might want to change the date of the work study that we have set for april um that based on our on our itinerant services is there does that have any comments on that um my comment would be that um i'd like to see it moved up to january or february sometime sooner since we've heard um you know some of the issues that are going on we heard at the last board meeting and i think it would be behoove us to address it sooner than later this is linda i agree with you lynn i would like to learn more about how the itinerary programs are being run i haven't heard much i think in maybe a year or
048so about the itinerant services and um what is happening there what some of the concerns are so i would like to learn more about that so that we can provide appropriate support to our programs um and if if there are concerns if there's something that the board can do to to make it right so um i would like to know uh what is going on in our itinerant programs and i agree i would like to have that discussion earlier mrs pb i would like to ask for a clarification can you please share the current dates on our calendar and the topic for each upcoming work study session i'm not seeing that on the agenda um i think we have well those dates aren't on this agenda those dates were set at the the last board
049meeting um and i don't know that i have a list of that right here handy leticia do you happen to have that list i know it's in april but i don't know the the particular date this isn't it we have april 14th or the itinerant services discussion um that is a work study session um and the earlier one is in february that one is regarding our budget and finances um check in my calendar here so i mean superintendent right then this is uh david i mean would it be possible if we if we just swap the the topics um from april to february um does that that work so our dates we've already cleared yes um and we get that up earlier i know you know that we we want to uh take a look
050at that sooner rather than later and and you know it's february um you know that that right with us yes february 10th i believe february 10th right uh my video might be frozen can you still hear we can swap those your video is frozen david but we can still hear you okay great um excellent so any any comments about that about about um you know the proposal to change those topics so we have we keep the same dates but we we change topics okay um all right well i can i can move that we change the topics for the work study sessions in april and february so we do finance in april and we do itinerant services in february the dates already already scheduled any seconds this is lynn ii okay all in favor uh
051we can well apparently my video doesn't work but i'm saying hi uh any eyes uh looks like we have one if my video will start any uh any no's there i am no nays and any abstentions great um okay so we'll we'll change those the topics of those and then the next item is the german lin would you like to move to adjourn when you're muted uh she's muted but i i yeah he can read my um i moved that we adjourned this meeting any seconds uh brittany has uh affected all a favor all right and any opposed no okay um thank you so much everyone for this uh this special meeting i'm glad we were able to get that accomplished uh and thank you so much come back next year so happy holidays everyone
052thank you mariah