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Geneva CUSD 304 Board of Education Meeting 06-16-2025

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YouTube / Geneva CUSD 304 Board of Education
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2025-09-04
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Kane County, IL
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9,231 words · about 52 min
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2026-07-02

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001Thank you. Uh this is the regular meeting of June Monday, June 16, 2025 of the district 304. Um, Bonnie, would you call the role? >> Here. >> Thank you. Welcome. >> Well, to you all. Um, the next item is the pledge and Stephanie will lead us. And the flag's in the corner over there to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. No kings. Um there is an attendance sheet if anybody would care to sign it. The second item on the agenda is approval of minutes. We have the regular session of May 27 and the executive session of the same date. Bonnie, have you received any corrections? Are there any at this time? >> A motion

002to approve. >> So moved. >> Second. I >> I >> Thank you. Item three, recognition, awards, presentations, and public hearings. We have Adrien Ramirez right here to run through this again for us. >> Yeah. All right. All right. So, as Adrian's getting ready, uh, just want to thank him and Todd for their work on the draft or preliminary budget they presented to the finance or Adrian presented to the finance committee um, a little bit ago and he's now here to present it to the full board for your review. Yeah. So, good evening. I will be going through the draft budget for 2526. So to build the the budget, these are the assumptions we use that we rely on that help us create the budget. Um for EAV property taxes, we're seeing a 3% increase and

003that's due to CPI and new construction in the district. Evidence-based funding, which is our state funding, um is consistent with past years being at 4,288,000 for this year. new construction, we're expected um to have 12 million to 15 million. As far as our investment returns go, we're looking at earning average to to good investment returns. Right now, most of our investments are at 4%. As far as our capital support, um most of the funding for that comes from internal transfers from the on andm fund and from the education fund which is all planned and also some of the interest income that the capital fund earns. As far as expenditures go, salaries are based on the CBA working agreements and assuming that we're fully staffed, benefits are based on uh health benefit increases, pension contributions, purchase

004salaries are estimated based on support agreements that we have and supplies and materials. That's um that's all worked on internally and working working with administrators and different departments on building that budget. Capital uh that's based on our capital plan and our capital equipment needs. Other expenses are dues, fees, contingencies, external tuition, tuition that we pay for students to attend uh Mid Valley Fox Valley Career Center, um and non- capitalip equipment replacement and new equipment that's $3,000 or under. So going over fund 10, our education fund, we're looking at a net increase of 1,48,000 from what we're projected in 2425. The increase has to do with uh property tax increase of 3% um in the education fund. So we're looking at receiving 1.8 8 million more than what we received what more than what we received

005last year. In local, we're looking at um at a decrease of 698,000. that's due to interest income decreasing as well as um as well as there are some variables with that with PPRT and um and that's a variable that we won't know until August when that number is finalized. As far as state income, that number has to do with evidence evidence-based funding and as I mentioned before that is consistent. So, um that's why there's only a change of 13,000. As far as federal funds go, um we're looking at a decrease of 125,000 and that has to do with the SSRE COVID related money going away. Um and that it is a number we also can fluctuate a little bit just because uh the budget for federal grants isn't approved until after June. So overall we

006do have a net increase from last year. Um we're looking at an increase of around 1,00 1 million448,000. So on the expenditure side we're looking at a total of 81.18 million which is uh around 1.15 million higher than the pri prior year's projected expenses. So salaries are budgeted at 557.29 29 million up from last year and those are based on contract obligations and like I said assuming that we are fully staffed. So that number does fluctuate given turnover or any additions and staff that may be filled. Benefits we're looking at an increase that's that's just to reflect our um our increase in rates purchase services. We're looking at a decrease. Um supplies, we're looking at an increase, which we're looking at, and we'll get back, Paul. I'll get that for you. Um capital um for

007that object. Um spending remains consistent. um kind of supporting what we need as far as um student devices, just anything that may be considered capital and other uses. Um this includes tuition for our outplay students, contingencies. Um that's down from the prior year's uh prior year's projection. So, so overall I think we're seeing revenue growth in the fund u mainly due to property taxes. Um but given the expenses we are operating at a deficit in the oper we're looking at operating at a deficit in the education fund um of around 410,000. So that num number is subject to change based on the fin the final numbers um through the fiscal year and once we get audited we'll know where we're at. Moving on to and m we're projecting a total revenue of 15.69 million compared

008to um an expenditures of 14.492 million. So the local tax we see a decrease and that just has to do with um reaching the maximum allowable amount under PEL. This is a cap fund. So as CPI um continues to decrease um our ability to increase increase the tax extension um is limited. Other local revenue um we're seeing that stay consistent. So that's interest income, rental income, parking fees, um state, that's consistent. We actually allocate some of our EBF money, our evidence-based money that we received from the state to um to ON&M. Something we're able to do with that with that funding that we received from the state. On the expenditure side, um it's remained consistent with what we budgeted in fiscal year 25. Um we've have we've had some changes with the on andm director.

009Um Jeff Dower was one of the he felt he felt he fell under services um as being a service that he provided. So um for the most part O andM remains um consistent but we are seeing a that we'll have a surplus and historically what Geneva has done with the surplus is transfer that those funds over to capital support to the capital fund to support any uh any capital improvement projects that we have in place. So next is our debt service fund which is used exclusively to pay off any of the district's outstanding debt. Um currently we are projecting a total revenue of 15.174 million. This is an increase of 404,000. Um the way this fund works is it's funded to pay off any outstanding bonds that we have any interest. Last year we had

010um computer leases that were paid off so that fell off. So right now this fund is primarily to pay off any outstanding bonds. >> Adrian, >> yes. >> You mentioned the same thing in the finance comm. I guess I was a little confused on the um on the education fund the non- capital that's for devices as well. Is that different than the computer leases on in the debt service fund? >> Yeah. So the leases actually went back I believe 10 years ago that we were paying >> old. Okay. So these are computers from 10 years ago that we're just lease on and we're just paying off. >> Got it. Okay. Thank you. >> On to our transportation fund. So here we're we're seeing we're projecting um a revenue of 4.5 million which is a decrease

011of around 457,000 from the previous year. Um local tax is up close to 120,000. Um that just has to do with our regular tax levy growth. Our local revenue is down. That has to do with interest income. We're projecting rates, as I mentioned before, um to decrease. Um what also goes into local is student rider fees and also bus sales, which um right now we're we might not sell as we had a couple sales last year and this year um we're looking to sell, but at a good price. State revenue is down 383,000. This reflects uh the reduction in state transportation reimbursement. So every year we file a claim based on the um transportation expenses that we had for the fiscal year. So this year, just to give you guys a background on how that

012works, this year we'll submit a claim due August 15th for 2425 and then we receive that reimbursement throughout the 2526 school year. And that varies. They use a formula. they take into account our expenses and uh our depreciation on the buses. So, as far as expenditures goes for transportation, um we're budgeted 5.13 million, which is about 1.13 million less than the current year's budget and down from the projected 2425 actuals. So salaries continue to make up a bulk of our transportation expenses. Uh purchase services and supplies cover fuel repairs operations. Um and for the capital expenditures, this includes 1.4 million budgeted for bus purchases. And that's something that's um that's been planned. And we've actually made a couple purchases uh this month and last. So um this is we are planning to this is a

013plan deficit of 631,000 um which you know we build up these fund balances to spend them in this case where we're investing in new buses onto our retirement fund. So this is what we use to pay IMRF, Social Security, Medicare. Um for the most part this is a what comes in goes out fund. Um here we do leave a little cushion due to um you know social security cost IMRF the rates do change in the year. So we want to make sure we leave a little cushion to cover ourselves the capital projects fund. So what this shows right here is the interest income in local. So that's the interest earned based on the fund balance. Um right now we're projected 125,000. What this doesn't show is that um every year we have internal money coming

014in from educ the education fund or the on andm fund um to build up our balance and to expense that fund to pay for capital improvements or capital equipment. right now. Um, based on our capital improvement plan, we're looking to spend 7,788,000 um, in the next school year. Our working cash fund, which is a nonoperating fund, helps it can help a district manage cash flow. It's like an internal loan fund. Um, its only revenue source is interest income. We built up a very nice balance of around 167 million in working cash. Our tort fund is pretty much our risk management fund. It's um it exists to manage risk and protect against liability. Um historically this fund has not been used to cover really any expenditures. I I think Todd mentioned that it's been 10 plus

015years since it's been used. Our insurance is paid out of fund 10. Our life safety fund which is used to um to the life safety fund is used to um for for state approved projects to improve um facilities, anything that the ROE finds that we uh need to fix. Um it could be fire alarm system upgrades um you know something as simple as door replacements. So whatever they recommend a fix, we have a certain amount of time we can do it. We have to fix that. So that's where um where we expense out of this fund. So currently um we budgeted 711,000 last year and we spent 336,000. That number may change depending on when we get invoice, when we pay that invoice, and when um that the when the project is completed. Okay, so

016those are all the funds. Uh, now this slide shows uh gives us a district-wide view of all funds combined. Um, so tax revenue is up nearly 2.3 million. So that as I mentioned reflects CPI and new construction of around 3%. Um local revenue is down primarily due to interest income across the funds. Um with the rates decreasing state remains relatively stable. The difference there is the transportation claim with federal um that's going down. that has to do with the ESER funds and what we have spent so far in um in the other grants. So title the title grants and the IDA grants. So overall we're looking at um expenditures being 5.8 million more than revenues and um that is something planned. we build up these balances, these fund balances so we can spend them. Um

017the last couple years going back to 2020 have been a very hopefully unique set of time that we'll never see again because of co but um we were able to build up balances because um I was not here in 2020 and 2021 I'm sure you guys had you guys had a you froze spending right and you guys were able to build up funds and also use the eser money to cover expenditures that would have normally been spent out of the local funds. And here is just a draft summary that shows the revenue and expenses for each fund for 2024 and 2025 and for next year. So again, just shows that um it will be 5.8 million in expenditures exceeding revenue. So areas of concern that we will monitor um as the year goes on economic

018and external factors including inflation um supply chain challenges you know we'll have to continue to monitor the how CPI is um currently it's exceeding 2.5% which does impact supplies services just adds pressure to our operating costs and affects our learn long-term financial plan cost of fuel. We have to continue to monitor as far and utilities um reduce investment opportunities and return. This year we had a lot of investments um over 5% and that's gone down to 4%. So we just kind of continue to shop the market and see what can bring us the best return. Um something that's always challenging is staffing. Um filling positions or having um unexpected changes in staffing with with resignations, enrollment cha changes always provides challenges due to um that affects the way staffing is classroom size. Capital cost controls.

019If we see an increase in materials that affects what um we that affects our capital plan. Um, so just things that are out of our control. Bus purchases. Um, we've been shopping around trying to sell some of our buses. Um, and what we found is we're not getting the amount that the bus is worth. So, we'll continue to monitor that and get the best uh price for our price our buses. Health benefit enrollment changes. um you know, we just got done with open enrollment last month. So, it helps us navigate um our cost because depending on what the employee chooses depends on how the cost affects us. So whether it's PO or HMO, um that does impact our financial planning. And then our 2425 ending fund balances. So the fiscal year ends June 30th. Um

020and by then we'll have a good idea of what our funding fund balances will be but we also uh need our audit to be completed just so if in case the auditors have any journal entries. Um the way our books work is we keep our books cash basis. So that's um we post activity transactions when in our books when it po when it happens. So anything that h that occurs in June is posted to June. Our financials the audit is based on acrruel base. So any income that was received and earned in 2014 25 that gets posted in July actually gets backdated to June um when the auditors do the audit and when they do when they um put together our financials. Um, so just kind of some things to keep in mind. Um, that's

021why when we submit our financial reports monthly, we always say that they're unawited because um, the audit does impact us and can change our financials, but it's it's usually not a big change. Thanks. Any questions? >> Yeah, I'm sorry, Mr. Penny. I guess I got the gist of it, but my question is could you put that last slide up again so I can represent. Thank you please. Thank you. So economic and external factors and capital cost controls those are related. Is that is that what I'm hearing correctly? >> Yes. So, >> so my my question is uh to the extent that we are still trying to get our footing with these uh tariffs and uh where things are sourced and the uh possible escalating costs for selected items. Has that been factored in? Is that

022one of those things you can't control? Is that what you're talking about? But economic and external factors I'm just asking category. >> Yeah. So we that that is a good question that it is something that we cannot control. Um it has to do I think the tariffs you know couple months ago that was a big issue and um we have to take into account it is also dependent on our projects that we have um whether it's um tech capital equipment that all is impacted by tariffs anything that can be put a tariff can have a tariff put on. So that is something we kind of monitor and um tariffs are new and it's just something that we have to keep an eye on um because it is new. >> So when you say keep an

023I'm just not trying to get into the nuts and bolts so to speak, but when you say keep an eye on is that like you have a contingency plan uh in case these things Yeah. I'm cost overruns. I'm just asking. >> Yeah. So I'll give you an example is um Mike Wilks our tech director you know one of his concerns was ordering um the Chromebooks and ordering computers that come over from you know different countries. So that was a concern. The way we were proactive in that was trying to get our best pricing and you know trying to get our orders in that are normally done over the summer. try to get those um do our purchasing and do our due diligence to make sure that we avoid being hit with an up cost in

024computers or technology. I I would add to that um you know I I know it's something that Todd has been mindful of um you know in all of our departments but you know in a recent leadership meeting he shared as an example hey we're trying to have a contingency if if some of these external factors make things go kind of haywire haywire we may come back and say like building based budgets we need to cut this out right or we may need to come back and look at the capital projects that this board has already seen and approved for next year and say, "Well, maybe we've got to, you know, thin that herd a little bit." Um, if some of those, it's very uncertain right now. >> Thank you. >> All right. Any other questions?

025>> Thank you, Director Ramirez, for doing that twice. I hope you regard the the first one as practice and the second one for real. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> We're glad to have you and appreciate your work. >> Thank you guys. It was a good experience. >> Next item is public comments. Unless I'm jumping ahead. Okay. Have you received any requests for public comments? Would anybody like to say anything? I'm a little surprised we don't have a crowd of Germans waiting to come in. >> We'll stop right there. Uh uh item five, legislative updates. I saw you go through quite a few. Stephanie, would you like to summarize? >> Oh, >> I'm sorry, Jack. >> I thought you were looking at Stephanie. >> I was >> uh I have a couple updates. I wanted to

026go back to a few of the bills that were introduced that we had talked about earlier and let you know where they landed now that the session uh is over for right now. Senate Bill 191 was the mandatory seat belts in school buses that we discussed. So, that one did pass and is awaiting the governor's signature should he decide to sign it. The I wanted to mention on this one, if you recall, I tell you when these bills are first introduced, a lot of times there's many changes that are made between when they first get introduced until they finally make it uh through the whole process. And this one is a good example because originally these were going to be required by January of 2027 and now they're not required until July 1st, 2031. So

027there's a lot of time in there. Um I did reach out to Mr. Leam and asked, "So is this something that we start looking at now to put in our school buses as we purchase them? Is it something that we look at in the future?" So those are the kind of things that they will work through uh assuming that it gets signed. It's possible it could get vetoed by the governor, but I would doubt that he would on this one. So, I wanted to bring that up as an example of one that has passed substantially changed and then how we are preparing to make those changes so far in the future. >> Jackie, was that still where it just was buses manufactured going forward or is it current buses as well? >> Um, I believe

028>> Oh, sorry. I changed it. Um, I still think it's I believe at that date now it's all the buses that we have. >> Yeah. Which is why we may need to start, but I could be wrong. Um, I have to reate it. >> Yeah, I don't think I don't think there's a need to retrofit. >> I got to reread it. I >> um really >> they made some changes. It says uh >> be that'd be very expensive for many many school districts. says, "Beginning July 1st, 2031, each designated seating position in the newly purchased school bus shall be." Okay, so there it is. Okay. >> So, yeah, we don't have to, but still a big change in the year >> on that particular one. So, that did pass. Uh, we talked about House Bill

0291787 where we would provide training on evacuation drills for our substitute teachers. That one did also make it. So, awaiting signature of the governor. House Bill 3275 was requiring CPR and first aid for coaches. Uh that one did not make it through. House Bill 1237 uh which is related to Native American mascot did not make it all the way through. And Senate Bill 2427 related to cell phone regulation K through2 also did not make it all the way through. So I want to mention those. So that does not mean these bills are are dead. They're they're still out there. Uh there is a veto session that they just announced the dates for for both the House and the Senate, which is October 14th through 16th and October 28th through 30th. Uh the general assembly can

030look at bills that are out there. They can wheel and deal. They can do things during the veto session. And then also these bills are also still active. So when the general assembly meets again in January, they can take up the bills from where they were. If they're sitting in a committee, they can reactivate them. So those things are not necessarily gone and done. They are still um out there and and could be moved forward. They could make some substantial changes to them. Maybe during uh debate they decided they needed to take more time to think through them. So that's um kind of an update on some of the bills that we had looked at earlier this year. And that's my report. >> Thank you Jackie. Next uh superintendent report. Dr. Barrett. >> Thanks Bonnie.

031Could you on that remote right in front of you just hit the AV mute button on the bottom? It's a button that says AV mute. Ah, perfect. Thank you. Uh, so a few uh topics to share with you and then one uh I think to have a little bit more of a lengthy conversation and um share some new information uh for the board and community and uh maybe get some have some opportunity for dialogue and and get some feedback. Uh first just uh you know that this first meeting in June um a lot of as the school year ends a lot of people feel like let's take a deep breath um where a lot of other people are like boy ramp it up um and and that's a lot of uh how I think we're

032feeling at the moment. Um, you know, we've been doing a lot of planning with our leadership team. Uh, this first couple weeks after school gets out is when we still have our entire leadership team before some of them are done for the summer. So, we've used some of that time to to work with that group. also um you know getting to work real fast and you've heard about this all year long but on some of those big capital projects um that happens to be two f uh photos from the high school um where we're updating the HVAC system. Um so that's the crane bringing some of that new equipment over there that's going to help that building be much more efficient. Um, and then that bottom picture is the high school library, which uh was,

033um, you know, pretty aged. Uh, pretty a little bit dated. Um, and I think it's going to be a pretty exciting space, uh, at the end of this coming summer. So, um, that'll be a cool place. Uh, probably go take a look at and get a tour of at some point when that's all done. That'll be pretty neat. Um, I know, uh, Shauna is working with her team as, as we're looking at curriculum projects and planning for the upcoming school year. You'll hear a little bit more about some of that later tonight. Uh, I know Adam is working um on hiring and and getting our staffing all filled out. Uh, we continue to be a a great district to work, I think. And so, we continue to be a great district um a district where

034people want to work. Um, but as we've talked about before too, the um the teacher shortage is getting a little more real and especially in some uh high need areas. I know um our principles and Adam and our student services team especially are working very hard to fill some of those positions where there is a shortage of individuals. So kudos to them for doing that. Think we're feeling pretty good so far, Dr. Law? >> Pretty good. >> Okay. Not great. Not great, but pretty good. >> It's only June. We'll be fine. It's only June. >> Um, and of course, we're we're uh, you know, it's important for us to be thinking about how we kick off the school year and um, doing that in a meaningful way for our staff. I'll highlight that here a

035little bit too at the end, but we're we're planning for that opening day kickoff as well. Um, you know, another thing I just want to throw out there for you to be aware of as I'm thinking about it and I want the board to be thinking about it a little more. Um, it's about our intergovernmental collaboration as a district. Um, you know, there are more and more issues that come up more often that, um, you know, involve a variety of intergovernmental partners and how we work together with those partners. Um, we can't be on an island and can't be a district that is just here as a school district and we're just a body by oursel by ourselves doing things. There are more po uh more partners that we need to be working with. There

036are more issues. All of those issues require um and and should require meaningful and legitimate collaboration. We've talked about some of those issues um as a a board team. Um you know, in our recent retreat, we talked about some of those issues. Um and those partners include, you know, cities and villages, other municipalities. It includes, you know, local and neighboring taxing bodies and taxing bodies we overlap with and also neighboring districts. Um, and a lot of I'm finding that um a good amount of uh my time is being devoted to the need for some of this intergovernmental collaboration. And so what I'm starting to think about is um uh so I don't I don't know for certain yet, but I think something for for us to consider. you know, we have like a task force

037model here where we have a board task force that uh you know, is present and looks at a few things like the technology task force or the facilities task force. And I'm I'm wondering about the notion of starting an intergovernmental task force so that there can be board members who um could serve on that and it'd be an opportunity and a venue to um be able to communicate directly with board members and get feedback about some of these. I think there's a lot of work that's going to need to be done at the intergovernmental level in the coming years. Um, and so that might be a good structure to do. And then that might be also an opportunity to look at our other task forcing committees and see if there's people who want to move

038around because somebody wants to be on one uh would want to be on a new thing or or something like that and we could shift some roles too. So, um, I'm just throwing this out for the first time today, but I do really think we need to have a mechanism other than just a full board meeting for some of these intergovernmental um, partnership things that are going to be working. So, food for thought. If there's any current feedback, you know, any thoughts or ideas about that right now, that'd be great. Um, and then as it percolates and you think about it more, um, we'll circle back to this. But any thoughts on that right now? >> I love it. I think that's a great idea. >> Yeah, I think that's a good idea. >> Include

039the librarian. >> Yeah, exa. Exactly. And I mean, you know, Kathy's doing some work with the library right now. I was meeting with a different village today. I mean, I met with our partners from the city and the park district and the library last week. I think there's just a lot of things happening. Um, and that's awesome. We should be a vibrant, interconnected community. Um, but the board needs to be >> Yeah. >> aware and and involved in that. So, we'll kind of get to work on something like that and and share some more information with you about that in the coming days. Uh, then here here's a big one uh for us to have some time to talk about since >> a good segue. >> Yeah, good. Exactly. Right. Um, as a perfect example

040of the need for some of our uh intergovernmental partnerships and the importance of that. Um, there's a new potential residential development uh here uh that could happen within our school district boundaries and we need to have some time to talk about that. So, let me share some information with you here. Um, you uh likely recall earlier this year we spent a lot of time um talking about a potential development out in the northwest corner of our school district boundaries. Um at that time it was called the settlements of or it was called Charles Farm. It was called settlements of La Fox maybe 15 years ago when somebody tried to do it. Um and then this past year it was called Charles Farm. That was a development that was being um uh worked on in earnest

041by the PY Corporation and in kind of partnership with the city of St. Charles. They were working on an annexation agreement and St. Charles was basically going to um you know annex a bunch of this land into St. Charles um and develop a big development. PY was going to develop a big development there. that development um would have included some 2500ish residents. Um it would have been built in I think 10 to 15 years is what they had told us there were there would have been properties both within Geneva school district and St. Charles school district and as you'll also recall um a large portion of it was a uh Dell web active adult community that would have uh generated um you know property tax for the district but would not have generated students by

042covenant. Um so you'll recall that didn't go through. Um ultimately the city of St. Charles gave up on um pursuing the annexation. Um, and if you might recall, I think the last words I said uh when it fell through in my superintendent report uh were this won't be the last time this comes up because this property is out there and someone's going to develop it at some point. And so here we are. Um at this point there's a very different proposal out there. Um at this point there's proposed annexation by the village of Cton Hill. So instead of St. Charles up here annexing this up into St. Charles, it's the village of Captain Hills over here that would be annexing it into um their village and their proposed annex annexation agreement uh is with um

043Chin local developer that's developed a lot of um properties and and neighborhoods and in our community and neighboring communities um over the last many years. So, uh, this project, and you can see here, and I'm going to get into details about it. Um, it's much lower density overall than the than the previous PY proposal. The previous PY proposal would have had homes all over here, homes all over here, um, and homes all up in here, and all of this green space. Again, that would have been about 2500ish homes. this is going to be somewhere around 900. So, um overall it's much less dense. Um but I think there's some important facts to know about that. So, here's some key points. Again, a total of about 900 units as we understand it and about approximately 800

044of those would be single family residences. So um a small section of town houses um that would be uh down here somewhere but the vast majority would be single family houses. Another important thing to understand is uh that while the 2500 homes of the PY development um is a lot more um in this development they are only proposing uh homes be built within Geneva 304 boundaries. So you can see every one of those um parcels on that um bubble chart uh are within Geneva 304. This would send no kids to St. Charles. Um part of the um uh a big part of why I think this one is more likely um has a much higher potential of success to go forward is there's been a lot of work done to maintain this dedicated green space

045um and to have uh less less dense lots over here as well. So the properties would be less dense here, but then overall the project basically above, you know, actual Mil Creek, not Mil Creek neighborhood, but the actual Mil Creek. Um, you know, all of this was going to be largely developed by a Dell Web before and now that's all green space and would stay a green space. >> North. >> Yeah, north. Sorry. Like north. So if you see here's Mil Creek running right here basically. >> Oh the Mil Creek. >> The Mil Creek. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. The Mil Creek. Not Mil Creek neighborhood. The Mil Creek. >> I know where it is. >> Yeah. Here you can see here if this is helpful. This is the railroad tracks. >> Yeah. >> Right. And this

046is Keslinger Road. So right down here is Mil Creek School and here's Brundage Road. Um again as we understand it um one of the key um one of the key factors or criteria here in this is um that there would be no access to any of this uh off of Brundage Road um or down here no access to all of this off of um Brundage or Keslinger. So all the access would be from over here off of Lox Road or the new Lef Fox Road Bunker Road extension. So that's where all of the access to that would be. So if you know houses are over here, >> they they'd be the access would be over here. Yes, sir. >> Sorry. Yeah. Uh, isn't it isn't there a Lefox community there or is Lef Fox community

047inside of Hampton Hills right now or is that what they're >> Yeah. So technically, La Fox is over here. And I'll I'll be honest, I I'm not sure if is La Fox like an unincorporated area. Like I all of this right now I think is technically considered unincorporated La Fox and all of this would then be considered Hampton Hills once it was annexed. My guess I I don't know the answer to this for sure but these homes up here that are more spread out I think these are currently La Fox address and I think they would remain a La Fox address. It's this that would be um would be considered hills. So um you know one thing u let me get back to my key points here. A couple more things to note. um uh

048you know our our partners, community partners uh at Chodine would would share they're a different kind of developer obviously than PY um smaller and um you know while that PY development could have developed um many many houses in a year um you know their plan would be to develop somewhere between 30 and 40 houses max per year. So um the amount of new homes that would come on through this uh in our boundaries would be much slower than we would have expected from the PY development. Um, and because of that, they would anticipate for those 900ish total homes somewhere between a 15 and 20 year timeline with uh potential, if this was all approved, first anticipated, um, units maybe as soon as 2027. Um so uh and again that access to the west piece that

049I talked about all the access would be over there and that would be something for us to think about as a school district right um both in terms of you know where these kids might go to school in terms of how you might pick them up. This would this is about as far as our buses go right now obviously, right? Um so, uh you theoretically this all fills out at some point with a big beautiful residential neighborhood that would send great kids to our school district. That'd be a lot of busing out very far west, kids that we'd have to get certainly to the middle schools and the high school. Um so, you know, that's a factor to consider. Um so right now uh this is this is moving pretty quickly uh to be to

050be candid with you um uh this went forward um to the LA Fox no I'm sorry the Hampton Hills um village board um not this past Thursday but the Thursday before and that was actually the first day I had heard about it. So, um, we've now had an opportunity to start engaging in conversation with, um, the representatives from Campton Hills and, um, with representatives from, uh, the developer as well. Um, but this is going to take, um, you know, one of the big things that we're talking about is what's the potential impact of this? what would the potential um you know in most cases in a scenario like this there's impact fees to think about and and you know land uh or cash in lie of land uh things to be thinking about and and

051we're starting to engage in that conversation about this now uh that will ultimately need our board um you know you guys will have to decide if you agree with what we think is coming forward um right now because we basically just uh you know are just trying to really understand the full implications of this. Um mostly right now within the district it's Todd and myself and working with uh some of our our great attorneys who are helping us with this process. Um so we're trying to figure that out and we're going to bring information um to you as that um as that comes. Our understanding is that um it is kind of their plan to get the uh Hampton Hills Village Board to formally vote on the annexation agreement as soon as their next meeting

052which would be next Thursday. Um which is very soon. Um and so that's why we're trying to work very fast and as quickly as we can to be engaged in conversations with them. Um but you know ultimately uh you know we're eager to come to an agreement that's in the best interest of everybody and um you know helps us ensure that the new students generated by this development uh have access to the the high quality education that our our district has come to be known for. Um we're going to have to work through some some conversations on that. Um and we're hopeful that we can do that in the um you know in the in the coming days. Uh but it's probably also going to take some time uh to work through some of that.

053So, it is possible that uh if the annexation agreement does come up uh at their meeting next week, it's possible that um if we haven't learned enough and I haven't been able to share enough with you that I feel comfortable about or that you might that I might think you might not feel comfortable about that we would, you know, >> advocate that they not go forward with that next Thursday. Um I don't know. We're hopeful that that wouldn't happen. Um but we're going to have to figure that out. Um there could also be some steps in there to say, well, they're going forward with this and we're going to we're including some language in the anation agreement that notes we're still working through um what some of the impact could be for our district and

054how that would be addressed. So, um, that's kind of what I know for now. I'm I'm looking for, uh, if you have direction for me or if you have specific questions for me or information you want us to be looking into, um, let me know. >> I just have some one quick question. Sure. >> So, this accessibility from the West, is that like etching the stone or they're not planning on doing anything about that accessibility? Yeah, my my understanding is that that's part of um >> you know there's a lot of stakeholders who live within this area. Yeah. Um who've uh >> been working closely I think with the village and the developers for a long time. Um and so I think some of these things were kind of um um they're basically foundational to

055the agreement and if those things don't happen then the agreement would fall through. I think that green space, >> yeah, >> is one of those things. I think the density is one of those things. Um, and I think that access is one of those things. >> I mean, when we moved here, uh, South Mil Creek Drive hadn't been completed. There was no accessibility to Main Street by the time we moved in, and they had to build it out. >> So, I I assume they're going to maybe have to do something like that with accessibility. >> Yeah. I mean again my understanding is that >> it's kind of a because of all this green space that is >> seems like part of the you know it's like foundational to the thing >> there would be no

056access to any of this from over here. >> Isn't Bundage Road designated a rustic road? >> Correct. And there's >> so then um have they provided an estimate of how many students we might receive? I thought when PY was developing that they gave us an estimate of what they thought. >> Yeah, P um PY had provided us with that information. We had several meetings with them um kind of through that process. Um at this point we've we've not been uh given that. We're trying to work through some of that in earnest right now. um and you know looking at what some of the kind of standard models are for understanding those kinds of things. So again Todd I'm leaning heavily on Todd and and our our great attorney team who are looking at some of

057that and I think part of this is going to be um us trying to uh look at what some of those um what the potential student generation would be. Again, acknowledging that um I I should say this, this is important. We've been very public about our enrollment is declining. Um and uh you know, coming down a little more over the next few years and then stabilizing for a while. Um and you know, we do believe certainly that we could educate these students in our district and and do it well. So, this isn't a question of um you know, I think this it could be scary in some scenarios if you were like, "Oh my gosh, we're getting 3,000 homes or 5,000 homes and we've got to build two new schools." You know, I think as

058we talked about um previously, uh that's a lot of what happened. That's that's why all of our development is out west, right, with Western and or I'm sorry, with H Heartland and Mil Creek and and Fabian. Um we would not be in that same position. That being said, the amount of kids who this is going to generate um you know, hundreds of kids are going to have an impact on our school and and um the costs uh that are associated um with educating kids and the capital costs that you have to have to have um buildings. Uh we've been talking a lot about the capital upgrades that our buildings need and more kids are going to require those great buildings. So >> yeah, and I think we talked a lot in the past year about

059the demographic study and then we did the facility study and now we're sitting at Mil Creek maybe having 25%ish space, but we use that space in different ways, right? >> So again, like I think that means >> might mean a little bit of going back to the drawing table about how we're using our space depending on where these how many students and where they may fit in >> on the boundary lines. That is 100% correct. Um, if this if this does come to fruition, um, you know, that 2027, um, you know, is when we would see our first kids, that would kind of be our runway for having some of those conversations and talking about, um, you know, to your point, where are these kids going to school? Like you said, right now this is

060within the boundary of, um, Mil Creek Elementary School. Um, >> but you know, you you've you've we've been talking about the demographic study. We've been talking about um uh you know, our capacity analysis. This might nudge some of that in a different direction than we were thinking, I think, not that long ago, right? >> Um and that's fine. That's why you got to be adaptable. Um, and so I think as we learn more, in some ways this is, uh, you know, good to be learning this this summer because we had planned to have some conversation about that in the fall. Um, and, you know, this is now better to have it now than in the fall when we were about to have those conversations, but absolutely those will be things we'll have to talk about.

061Andy, um, you said a couple of things that I just want to make sure that I'm clear on. Um you said something about cash in lie of something land. Do we own some of this land here? >> No. No. No. So typically um in most circumstances like this when a development um goes on the books um there's uh you know either the the developer could provide some land to the district. um you know for potential school or they could provide cash in lie of land and that's all part of different community ordinances right so Geneva has a version of that ordinance St. Charles has a version of that ordinance. Captain Hills has a version of that ordinance. Um, and so that's one of those pieces that we're trying to have some conversation. >> Got it.

062So in that direction I was thinking Okay. And and so that's the part that as a board that we we would need to make decisions about. I was just trying to figure out what we as a school board what our >> Yeah. I think ultimately the thing um uh you as a board would need to determine is basically taking a formal position like um for lack of a better term, you know, are we going to publicly oppose this or not? Um or publicly try to fight some of this um or not. So that's really the decision the our board would have. You you know you don't have the authority over saying if this happens or not. That's up to the village board of of Canton Hills to decide that. Um but what this board would

063have the the authority to do is take a formal position. Um and so as these conversations develop, we'll have to decide um and you know appreciate your trust on this. We'll have to work with, you know, Todd and our attorneys and and that whole team and figure out what information we need to get to you and how soon we may need you to be able to take a formal position or not. Um, it is possible uh I'm hopeful not, but it is possible that we would uh want to come to you and have a special meeting to talk about that if we need the board to take a formal position on something. Um, you know, especially in the summer where our meetings are only once a month. Um, so I don't know. I feel confident,

064uh, you know, have had some great conversations just today and I feel confident we're going to be able to get this to a good place. Um, but I just kind of want to have you thinking about all the potential options out there. >> Any other questions? >> Oh, thank you for the excellent heads up, Dr. Barrett. Appreciate that. Last, I just got one more quick thing where I just have to say we're we're planning for our opening for this coming year and our theme is all together now as we're thinking about all the ways that we we work and do things together um uh as educators and as a community here in Geneva. So, that's a little foreshadowing for everybody. I'm going to be sharing more with the community um and our faculty and more

065with you all in the coming days. But, you know, I just like this is that meeting where I like to put out my little teaser. >> So, is that iteration of the yellow submarine? >> Uh, it could be, could be, could be, could be. >> Except it's Geneva. It's the blue. It's the blue submarine, right? The Uhhuh. >> just kind of jump it. >> Yeah. >> Well, I love rock and roll music, so excellent. >> We can do that. >> Thank you again. >> Yeah. Bonnie, would you >> uh item seven, board dialogue topics and pending action consideration. One item is the 2526 policy committee meeting calendar. U this calendar has been reviewed by the committee and administrators and approval is recommended. Is there any discussion? >> Do we have a motion? >> Motion to

066approve. Second. >> It's in the packet. >> Dan, I think >> Paul, >> not Paul. >> Okay. So, we have a motion and a second and there there's no further conversation. Um, >> I nay. I >> thank you. The uh item eight work study topics future action consideration uh 2526 preliminary resource textbook adoption policy. This was a packet of information from Assistant Superintendent Sims regarding textbook instructional materials being proposed for adoption for dual credit courses. This will be brought back at a future meeting for possible approval, but if we have any discussion at this point, >> I think Sean Seanette had some insights to share on this. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So the uh three resources that uh we're bringing forward today. Uh these were for C one is a new um AP course the

067AP BC calculus course um they actually um have a new textbook for both the AB and the BC course. It's an open-source resource which is nice. So it's a free online textbook for the students. In addition, uh we were awaiting when we came in the springtime uh for final like approval and accreditation for two additional dual credit courses at Geneva High School. These are actually just enhancements to existing courses that we've had. U Mrs. Sarah Kdorf in our fine and applied arts department has been working uh diligently to kind of create the opportunities for our students who are you know wishing to go forward with a career in education to um offer and develop the required sequencing of courses so that students can in fact earn those nine college credit hours by participating in those

068three classes. In addition, uh this also allowed us to be uh in compliance with our first college and career pathwork pathway endorsement course in this area. Um and then we have actually been having our students who uh participate in some of our um more advanced foods courses u entrepreneur restaurant management uh pastry and bakering baking those kinds of courses. they have been doing the sanitation safety coursework just as part of that but that now uh will allow them to earn one credit hour of college credit. So those are those um three courses that are coming forward today. So two of those are resources uh that will be on display. The third u that AP uh BC kelp class u will have a link that so anyone who wishes to look at that can um log

069into that QR code and review that resource. Can I ask a question? Um, can we talk a little bit about the about the strategy moving forward for the dual course credits? >> Because if I look at this, I see IP CELK, which is a a first a first uh year calc. Um, I'm just wondering, are we planning to to drive more of the early gened courses that a student might take going into university so that they can get credit for those at a reduced cost. And secondly, get those gened courses, I hate to say this, but get those gened courses out of the way so that they can focus on their core or their or their um um either the core courses or their major courses at a higher level and get them early so

070they can even be better prepared by the time they graduate. I I was just kind of surprised when I saw the the the two the early child development and the entrepreneurial restaurant course didn't make as much sense to me as it did for having the AP kelk and should we not have a history or an English or something like that so the kids going to university could get those and get those out of the way maybe at a reduced cost for those families that this is very important to. But isn't uh child development spirit from education >> so many so many people don't have that background I can tell you even professionally in my profession they're not even required to take child development so I took it but I think that that's a very important

071piece that to get that earlier than soon I mean later >> yeah thank you um yeah thank you for that Dr. And yeah um thank you for the question Paul. Yeah actually uh the addition of those two the restaurant um sanitation and the um education pathway course that is now those would be our um 10th and 11th dual credit courses course that is offered at Geneva High School. Um I understand what you're asking about are kind of what are those um like high leverage high utility courses. So currently um just to give you an idea we have three in the area of science. We have um an astronomy, we have an earth sciences, natural disasters, we have a horiculture um as part of our strategic plan work this year and working with the department chairs

072at the high school and the administration of the high school. Our history department is ready to move forward with a course next year which would be like an entry level history course. So that would be one of those courses, you know, kind of one of those prerequisite gened courses that you could could get out of the way. um if they chose to do that. Uh in addition, uh math, you know, we're in those discussion stages there. We do, we are very fortunate in Geneva, we have five of our teachers that have a masters of mathematics. Um so we have had some conversations about, you know, what would it look like to offer that college level algebra course? You know, what would that what would that impact be on, you know, the rest of the mathematical

073offering? So, um that would be probably the next course that we'd be bringing online. You know, one of the um barriers to offering dual credit is our teachers need to have a masters in the content area. And many of them, you know, they they'll get a masters in, you know, curriculum development, they get a masters in administration, and they feel like they might go that path, but they don't necessarily always get one in their content area. Um, one of the departments where we don't currently have staff that have that is in our um English language arts department. So, we have had conversations with um our human resources department. Uh we've had conversations at you know the high school level again with those department chairs and with uh the leadership of do we look at a

074way of incentivizing some of our staff to to get that uh certification so that we could offer some of those courses again in those other areas which would impact have a broader you know um span of impact on our students going forward. I think the other thing is is when we met with the department chairs um uh George and I meet with the department chairs each semester and just there's like a series of things we discuss and go through. Um when we met with them this fall or last fall I should say we asked like who currently could teach a dual credit course. Um kudos to high school admin. They took that message from last year and like you know went to their department chairs and said what could you offer? And there are a

075plethora of additional courses that could be offered in various departments, but a lot of those would hit kind of what you were talking about. It would be a niche area. It would be an elective area. So what it may not have that same impact of, you know, um getting some of those prerequisite geneds out of the way for a more advanced um class. Uh in addition, you know, I think another possible restriction that we need to, you know, always have in the back of my m back of our minds is um you know, we could get to a situation where we have a saturation of course offerings. And when we compound that with our declining enrollment, if we were to say like any of these other ones could go forward, um you know, we could

076end up with a situation where well, we've got seven kids enrolled, but are we going to run a course with seven students? So, um, we in our conversations have kind of put a halt on some of these other courses and want to focus our energies moving forward on the history, the math, the English, and those courses. Um I will say you know we currently in our English department for English 4. We offer you know um an AP English 4. We offer other AP courses um in the English department as well as you know we've come forward with the English 4 that where students can choose mythology um graphic novel or contemporary novels. um you know in talking to other high schools you know they pretty much will offer an AP English four track or a

077dual credit English four track and those are their only offerings. So that would again be conversations we'd have to have um with our language arts or English department in addition to ensuring that somebody is certified to actually teach those courses. >> So basically it's coming we're just not there yet. >> Correct. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Thank you. I think it's also important to note that that um getting those teachers with that lensure um you know as Sean Net said we're going to have to have a lot of conversations and you know work with our GA partners and figure all that out about how you would incentivize that and what's an appropriate way to do that. Um because >> compound that because a priority when these conversations started 15 years ago I mean one of

078the initial criteria that you know everybody agreed was of importance because of the value it would provide is that such courses were taught by our teachers and not college teachers coming into our facilities and teaching those courses. Okay. Anything else? Thank you, Shanette. That was very helpful. And I look forward to hearing more along this line. I was attending the graduation of one of our neighbor schools. And in that graduation, they had four students who had achieved one year of college credit and one very clever girl who had two years and had a certificate associate. >> Yeah. >> So, can be done and I would look forward to working in that direction. The uh look forward to hearing more about that at the upcoming meetings. Item nine information board meeting presentation schedule number two foyer

079requests and board correspondence three suspension report all available on board book. This is for information only. Is there any discussion? It's not required. Item 10, the consent agenda. Uh item one, personnel report resignations, retirements, leave request, changes in assignment, full-time equivalent and new hires. Two, monthly financials may three, suicide prevention services of American contract. Four, school provider agreement. Five, fiscal 26, hazardous bus routes. And uh item six, 2526 treasures bond. Any questions or discussion here? We'll need a motion to approve. >> Andy, do you might you might want to comment. I had asked a question about the hazardous bus routes and whether or not they were all due to just traffic issues or were there some other issues that kind of drove that we're not that maybe we not may not be aware of. What

080what's the criteria for a hazardous bus route? >> Yeah. Thanks, Paul. Um so when it comes to a hazardous bus route obviously you know our standard practice and the law is um you know under a mile and a half you know you you don't the district doesn't provide transportation by default and over a mile and a half the district does um but sometimes um areas can be you know deemed hazardous and and the district has to provide transportation. That's something where I think historically my understanding is like maybe even an individual can appeal that and and have us consider that. So the yes, the vast majority of these there really aren't that many hazardous bus routes, but the vast majority of them are traffic related. Um a couple exceptions would be um trains, you know,

081like crossing the train tracks or something like that. Um, also there's a there's one place where there's a a small pedestrian bridge over a creek that we've deemed um, you know, don't want kids crossing that. Um and then there are a couple actually that have been there in place for uh some time um due due to the golf course in Mil Creek and the proximity of the walkway and the sidewalk to the fairway where um you know someone like me could be hitting and you don't want a kid to be don't want a kid to be walking home while while you know I'm out there playing. So um we do review those regularly and you know have conversations about them. Um but those those are examples of the exceptions. >> Okay. Any further discussion? >>

082Motion to adopt the consent agenda. >> Second. I >> item 11, board member comments and reports. Um I think we'll start with Molly this time since she was so nice to make that motion for us. >> Um I actually have I'm apologize. I wasn't sure where to interject. Um for item two, I need my response changed to abstain. I got my dates wrong. I wasn't at the last meeting, this was the approval of the minutes. >> Apologies. >> Good catch. Good catch. >> Um, and beyond that, >> uh, just a a big congratulations to all our graduates. It's really exciting on our end, I speak for myself, on my end to attend graduation and get to stand on the stage and see all of our students and celebrate their successes, but also to all of

083the family, friends, staff, teachers, and beyond who have supported them all the years in their schooling. Um, so just congratulations to our grads and all the best with all of our summer projects. >> Okay, Dan, we're jumping around here. Would you like to be next? >> Yeah, sure. Um, yeah, just echo what Molly just mentioned in regard to graduation. I think as a um as a schoolboard member, we're always excited to to go to graduation. It's one of the highlights of of the year and so very fun to uh be a part of that. So, um kudos to all the all the graduates this year again. So, um, other than, yeah, looking forward to all the summertime projects and and thanks for all the information, uh, that was shared today from Adrian. So, thank you

084for all that. >> Thanks, Larry. Um, again, I'd like to also congratulate all our graduates. U, as I told Andy, I was quite impressed by the uniqueness of playing the Star Spangle Banner with one of the gentlemen, young men with the electric guitar. That was fantastic. um took me back a long time, but we won't go there. Um the the other um comment I wanted to make um is uh we we had a group of parents come at the beginning of the year uh to discuss their concerns about during the summer and the heat waves and the various camps and things like that that go on um at the at the school at the high school. and they asked us, is there anything we could do uh to try to improve the situation at the

085high school for those children and and uh groups that are there? And we had our facilities task force meeting today and uh we're not there yet, but we're very close. They're installing these very large fans uh at the top of it. And not all of them are quite working yet. Uh but we actually see today was over 85 86 degrees and we actually see a significant reduction in the um temperature of one of the gyms that they're partially working. um over the next few weeks, I'm sure that they'll get all the software working out and they'll get the the the equipment all working and hopefully this summer as we get into the really hot part of the summer and we have these camps and things at the school um everybody sees an improvement and have

086much has much more enjoyable um event at the at their various uh events that they have at the school this summer. >> Excellent. Steph, do you want to start? >> Sure. So, congratulations to all of our students on a wonderful end of the school year and I hope everyone is enjoying their summer, having fun, and being safe. And congratulations to all of our graduates as well. It's always one of the highlights of the year to participate in graduation and just see everyone's accomplishments in getting to that point and good luck in the future. Um, also I got to meet with George and Janette a couple of weeks ago to discuss reading curriculum a little bit. uh they have shared with us that they are working in the committee to pilot um some new reading curriculum

087and kind of find something that works better for our district. So we're at this point now where there's two programs that we've decided on and the committee is going to start pilot piloting that and in June some of that work should start and then at the beginning of the year they'll be piloting one of the programs and then they'll try the next program. But I really appreciated the time with George and Janette just to go through some of the questions I had about the programs and how phonics is built into that and what that looks like for all of our grade levels as we make a big transition in reading curriculum. We know that's foundational for our students learning. So they will share more with us and bring that to the board um be sometime

088in the fall, but just um wanted to share that we were having some discussions about that and lots of great information and good things to come. So, thank you. That's all. >> Want to send my graduation uh I should say congratulations to the graduates. Um it's good to see the exuberance of the parents uh however muted from the balcony view my point of view that is uh but I'm glad to participate in that. Thank you much. >> Yeah, just want to say the same thing that graduation was a lot of fun. Uh I give kudos to all the students and the parents who did show decorum and it's wonderful that everyone can hear their name said at graduation because people do just keep the clapping down or not at all till the very end. So

089congrats on that and Paul I want to thank you for bringing up the the story about the the AC in GHS because it showed that I am kudos to the the facilities team for getting that done in a year because that's light speed for government work. um and that we the team took it seriously the facilities task force and Mr. Dar was able to jump in give ideas and the team and to hear that we're almost there and having student my own daughters swelter in those in summer camps is just wonderful to hear that we're almost there. So um I'm happy that you brought that up so that we can say yes thank you to those to everybody who worked on that at such a quick pace because things like that don't usually move. Maybe

090we'll have to have our August meeting in the gym. >> Yeah. Yeah. We can show people. >> That may be premature. >> Thank you, Jackie. And uh I would I would second everyone's remarks about graduation. Who cannot enjoy being in a space with two or three thousand people who are all happy? >> It's a wonderful thing and it's a wonderful thing to be part of. So I I'm very pleased and congratulations to all the graduates. In addition, I would say that uh we all look on that as a highlight of our being on the board to wish those people well and send them on their way. And as far as the gym temperature is concerned, it's still a work in progress. I think things will get even better. So, having said all that, there item

09112 is notices and announcements. There are none that I'm aware of. Item 13, executive session to consider matters pertaining to appointment, employment, compensation, or discipline. performance or dismissal of specific individuals who serve as independent contractors in an educational setting. And that's really all we need to discuss here. It has to be executive session. There is uh >> I know there's two items here. Yeah, there's also uh I just of course I just closed the agenda >> theou >> uh yeah so the other language would be yeah collective negotiated >> okay >> let's see right here I'm looking for it right now >> all the way at the bottom uh collective negotiating matters between the public body and its employees or their representatives or deliberations concerning salary schedule for one or more class of employees. Okay.

092For Larry. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate that. >> Motion to go in executive session. >> Thank you again. >> Second. >> By >> I >> All right. If uh anybody needs a few minute break, we can do that and we will be then in executive session.

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