001Oh, Ty. >> Hi, Carson. >> Hi, >> Linton. >> Hi, St. >> Hi. >> And Parson. >> Hi. >> Are you here? >> Hi. >> All right. Um, any questions with the agenda from last month? There's a couple of them. Oh. Uh any questions with the agenda currently? >> Okay. I can make a motion to adopt the agenda as presented. >> Second. >> Carson. >> Hi. >> Parson. >> I have stall. >> Hi. >> Ty. >> Hi. >> Omar. >> Hi. >> Let >> any delegation? >> No. Okay. Perfect. Um, any questions about the treasures report? >> Everyone have a chance to look it over? >> Bills are like done like at 4:30 today. So, um, Pam was under the wire on that for bills. So, >> I know this month's probably an exception. Um,
002but once you send out the agenda explanations, um, if you make changes, will you let us know? cuz I try and review them the night before and then don't have a lot of time before we get here during the day. >> Yeah. I don't >> or like star whatever you make changes on. So, >> okay. I can Yeah. Italicize or something. >> Yeah. Something like that. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Is that flow flow through money for three legs? >> Yes. >> Yeah. That came >> What's the county treasure? The 1031 I don't know if that's the taxes on our property that don't we don't have a building on that over there on the corner. It might be that I can find out All right. Any questions on pettic cache or anything of
003that nature? No. >> Ready. I'd like to make a motion to approve to adopt the minutes of the special board meeting for March 2nd, 2026. Adopt the meeting minutes of the regular board meeting for March 12th, 2026. Adopt the meetings of the special board meeting for March 25th, 2026. Approve the treasures report uh for March 31st, 2025. Approve payment >> sorry >> 2026. I'll just I might >> Yeah, you're right on, >> you know. Uh approve the petty cash report uh petty cash repayment for elementary school of $37.37, the high school repayment of $1251 and district office in the amount of $60. and approve the payment of the bills. Uh the bills to be allowed in a total amount of $316,93752 for April 8th and the March 2026 payroll in the amount of $553,00072130. >>
004Second >> Ty Linton. >> Istan Parsons. Hi. >> All right. Recognize winter activities. >> All right. So, I asked Coach Holloway and Coach Boss to have their teams here for and talk about their state uh participation and want to recognize those kids. And we'll start with wrestling. Start with Coach Holloway. >> Um, thank you guys for uh for letting me be here tonight. Um, I've got both my assistant coaches, Brandon Lockhart, and Robert Tate. Three state qualifiers, Kaitlin Nicholson, Cameron Jackson, and Colton Collins. Um, we had a pretty successful season. Um, as a smaller team this year, but, uh, some of those highlights, KMO, uh, placed in all nine tournaments he entered. He won five of those and placed second in three of those. He was the Flint Hills League champion. He broke Dane Whan's
005season wins record and season pins record. Uh he was only taken down three times all season and he took his opponents down 45 times. Um and he's now a two-time state medalist. Golden Collins placed in all in seven tournaments, winning three and was runner up in two. He was two-time Flint Hills League champion. He had the fastest pin of the season at nine seconds. at the league tournament. He won all four matches by pin and under a minute four or a minute nine combined. >> Wow. >> Um so pretty quick day on the mat for him. Um he was state qualifier uh Kansas Wrestling Coaches Association all academic team and individual awards as well as National Wrestling Coaches Association Scholar All-American and Character and Leadership Award winner. Kaylin Nicholson placed in all seven tournaments she
006competed in, winning three and placing second in two. She's the first ever Flynn Hills girls champion from Oage City, as well as the first ever girls state wrestling medalist. She recorded the fastest fall for girls with an 11second pin. She's the season and career leader in most statistical categories that we have and she is currently ranked fifth and seventh all classes in four reversals in a season. She was fifth last year and now she's also on the leaderboard for seventh this year. Currently, if you took look at her career, she would be ranked third all classes all time. Um team accomplishments. Um, our team as a as a whole, the boys team that competed at regionals, um, they are KWCA all-American first team, um, that was Jackson Bullyard, Noah Wood, Caleb Given, Julian Ferrer, Colon
007Collins, Landon Pettigene, uh, Dayton Greyel, Braayson Hopkins, and Camo Jackson. Um, KWCA all academic individuals were Jackson, Julian, Colton, and Landon. They all had a 4.0 GPA. Bryson Hopkins from Lebo was honorable mention with a 3.2. NWCA Scholar All-Americans, um, Jackson Boyer, Julian Fra Colton Collins, and Landon Pedigene. And then we won our inaugural duel at home versus Topeka West in Berley game. We had a great crowd that night and I think everybody really enjoyed it. Uh we had a really talented team last year. It's hard to replace the eight seniors that we had. Only had one senior this year. Um team rose to the task. Um they're all young. As I said, we only have one senior, so everybody's coming back. So the future looks really good for us. So again, I thank you
008for letting us come and recognizing the guys that did the hard work. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you, coach. All right, Coach Boss. >> All right, girls. Stand up. I um not going to run through everything. We literally had our uh banquet on Monday night. So you girls are tired of hearing my story, but just thank you very much for letting us come here. Um we had a very successful season. Just going to kind of run through a few things. Um uh Ike, we were the tournament champs there. Flint Hills regular season champs. Our Flint Hills League tournament, we got fourth. Um I've kind of hung my hat on this this year. We usually deal with adversity like sprained ankles, sickness, but we went as far as like broken noses, jam fingers, uh fractured foot, appendix
009removal. I mean, we kind of just like upped it. This that this I said this team is a little bit dramatic in everything we do. So, we wanted to just kind of have that part of the dramatic fashion. And then, um the end of the season, uh got to host our first two games at Upstate because of their uh record. We headed to West Franklin for that final championship game against Burlington. Beat them for a second time and we we talked about it on Monday night like at West Franklin and at Emporia just sitting on our bench and getting to see the crowd of K and I mean I look around here I was just telling Lynn as I was standing there. I mean like like everybody here was there too. I mean that's just
010kind of how Oate City is. Travels as a community, sticks together, supports each other. Um, so beat Burlington that championship game, went to state, got to play that first round at Emporia, which was different than usual, but actually, I mean, I think worked out in our favor to head to Emporia, a place we've already played. Um, which it is different when you go to different gyms, the back behind the backboard, all those kind of things. And, um, the girls did a really good job there. And then got to head to Hutch. Um, that first round of Hutch against Holstead is a a game that they'll never forget. I mean that yes, you got to play in the state championship game, but beating a undefeated last year state champ I I mean was a pretty big
011feat. Um then getting to take Silver Lake on in the championship game, the first time our girls basketball team has went to state and played in the state championship game. Obviously, we're all very competitive and still dealing with that loss, but the the awesome stuff that went on during that game and the fact that they never quit and we got back in within seven multiple times that second half and so just kind of um shows you what kind of girls these are. Um I went through our school records was telling their parents on Monday night. I know I have some stat rat parents that love to look through that stuff. Matter of fact, found Miss Paul in the scoring. She's still in the top 20, I think. I don't remember what she was, but in
012the top 20 of scoring. Dina Wimmore's in there. So guys, you're up slow. Anyway, we had over 20, I think 20 in the the senior's career, freshman through or senior year of their career. 20 plus individual records that got changed and 20 plus team records um through our senior group. It's pretty core uh group of seniors. So, I'm going to run through real quick just who was on the team. Obviously, I didn't take the time at the beginning to mention my the more most important people of my team are my assistant coaches. Coach Keith has a second job, so Wednesday nights are not available for her. Um, and then Coach Ty, they are kind of the make sure I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. They're the support staff to help support I mean,
013high school girls. It's very nice to have a high school counselor on staff, all those kind of things. Um, so obviously my assistant coaches are pretty important. I'm running through my freshman. Actually, I'll start with my managers. Kaylee and Shenoa. Kaylee Teal and Shanoa are back there. They are the just my assistant coaches. Do all those little things that take the extra time and have the gym ready for practice and get everything picked up. Uh freshman, uh Izzy, go ahead. Just kind of raise your hand in the back there. Uh Sawyer Kaden Mossi is not here tonight. And then Jayla Jenkins is my other freshman. And I want to just point out some postseason things too. JLo a second team all league second team sports in Kansas 3A all state honorable mention in case you
014covered honorable mention KBCA honorable mention Waw Eagle 3A all those are 3A all state so pretty good job pretty good freshman group pretty excited for what's to come with that group to continue to grow sophomores Harley um Sophia Brad is not here she's actually said she had practice tonight and then Kayn Boss Kayn had some postseason honors uh first team all league first team sports Kansas sports and Kansas non- senior player of the year 4A and below first team Kisha covered first team KCA and first team Waw Eagle a lone junior Lillian Lommire and then my seniors um Addie Watson all four of my seniors have she couldn't see her but she's back there but she what she lacks in height she makes up in sass and aggressiveness and all that extra stuff that we
015need. Um, all of my seniors are four year um, seniors, so that's a pretty cool deal. Uh, Payton Pittz is another senior. She was a KBCA academic all um, all state. Uh, Julia Kitsman, she had some postseason honors, honorable mention all league, honorable mention sports in Kansas 3A, and then she got to participate a couple weeks ago in the Flint Hills Optimist All-Star game. And then my last senior, Emry Spece. She lacks in height, too, but she makes up for it in a lot of other ways, trust me. Um, some postseason honors for her. First team O League, first team sports in Kansas, second team Quesa Cubard, second team KBCA, second team Witaw Eagle. Uh, she also participated in the Flint Hills Optimist All-Star game a couple weeks ago. KBCA all academic. And then Emry
016is going to get to participate, I think it's June 20th. It's in June in the KPCA All-Star game. Wow. >> And which is like the shrine bowl for basketball. So, pretty cool deal. I think our last one was coach Spicer and did we just say 2011 maybe? So, it's been a significant time, but definitely well deserving. So, thank you guys for >> Coach Kate was also the Kansas 3A coach OF THE YEAR. GROUP GROUP AWARD. I mean without these guys and these guys and obviously our community I mean I definitely feel I mean I do feel very honored because of that award but I also feel it is very much a um group effort. So >> excellent. Thank you guys very much. All right. Uh, feasibility study update. >> All right. Let me get these
017guys set up here. You guys see that? All right. All right. Hey guys. >> Hello. Let me try to switch it to something else. >> All right. Can you say something? >> Hi. Okay, there you go. All right, I think you're good to go. >> Sweet. Well, thanks for offering us some time. Uh we'd love to get some additional feedback and kind of tell you where we've evolved from our last uh capture last week. I think Adam's going to jump right in. And if you guys want to interrupt, just jump in as as you want to. Um we'll go through the middle school wait room a components then jump over to the middle school and then jump to the budget. So that's our thoughts for today. Um initially focusing on some of the south uh
018appeal that we have around the entry point for the middle school. >> Adam, you good? >> Y ready? >> All right. All right. All right. Um, so when we presented you all a couple of weeks ago, um, or was that just last week? >> Maybe it's two weeks ago. It was like in >> Yeah. >> Um, we talked about the relationship of the materials of the new building and its relationship to the old. Um, I am really truly going to just dive right in. So, if anyone has questions or needs extra context, anything we talked about previously, please, uh, stop me. Um some of the things we showed you um there were positive and negative kind of um comments which are fine and to be expected and um there was a lot throughout the day
019of kind of um layered on support for this um more uh contemporary and uh more unique uh solution that there's a new entrance for the middle school. um we talked about the presence of it and the grandeur of it um while kind of allowing the historic south entry to um remain in its presence. Um we talked about it having kind of a forward thinking quality but also potentially being too different from u the existing entries on campus. Um and we talked about kind of where the columns are falling in the space and if it's touching the building or not touching the building. Um, and you all had some really excellent comments and suggestions. And so with uh that over the last couple of weeks, Bobby, if you want to hit the next slide, please. >>
020Um, we considered your feedback and we started to look at other examples of projects that we've done at Multist Studio and other projects that have this large kind of pavilion or covered courtyard condition. Um, and that led us through a couple of design studies, um, where we have started, we think, to get closer to a design that resolves some of the things that weren't, uh, loved about the option, um, and improve it and just push the design a little bit further to make it uh, uniquely applied to this campus. Um, we also researched some build precedents and are working with the contracting partner um to understand the price differences and when our options might be to fit or align with um the budget numbers that we're going to talk about a little bit later on.
021Um, and so just so you know, this is very early design. There's still a lot of development that can take place and a lot of ways that we can achieve this. Um we have been talking about at the top those three images show a perforated metal panel um that diffuses light and shades the glazing. Um but we also talked with you all about potentially incorporating lighting into this canopy which is shown in the middle option and that's an example that has a clear but completely covered um patio area. And then the bottom option is a school that um we toured with the uh stakeholders for some of the focus sessions we did earlier on. Um and that also has a similar canopy condition denoting entries and providing shade um for large glazed walls. Um and
022after some of that study, this is where we have landed on where we think the direction the design is headed. Um you'll notice we rotated the structure and removed the supports that were closest to the buildings on the wings on either side. Um we made it self-supporting in the center so that uh rather than having a center column, there is more openness visually to the center of the glazing. Uh you really get the impact of that glazed wall visually. Um, and it starts to denote kind of an entry arcade, a sitting or uh like playing arcade, and then a green landscaped arcade um and just gives some more order to that courtyard. Um, in addition to this, we did continue to think about um the other option that got a lot of uh positive input.
023uh we felt that this was a really strong option that we know is kind of within the ideal budget or the budget that we've been talking about and would really be a successful solution uh economically for the project. Um and so we also talked about it feeling grand and having some respect for the uh entries of the historic building. Um kind of recreating that limestone threshold but at a larger scale. Um, but we talked about whether stone or metal panel was the right option. And we just wanted to show you um what it might look like with kind of a lighter, brighter metal panel that um has a champagne or kind of a a bright white um color to it that can talk to the limestone entry. Um but can be successfully achieved with a
024metal panel product that is more in line with some of the precedent images you all liked. So, if we want to think about the exterior, if we want to talk a little bit about the interior, I don't know, Adam, if you have a preference or if the board has any immediate thoughts. Um I can continue presenting what we have today um as far as design goes and then maybe get a comment uh at the end uh of that if there's no one that has anything they want to share right now. >> Go ahead Adam. >> All right. Um so we've also started thinking about the interior and one of the images we are going to package with all of uh with this master plan is an interior image of the welcome commons. Um, and so
025we took the conversations we all had early on in the focus sessions, um, and tried to deduce kind of key design drivers for the experience in the inside of the building as well. And this is really really early stage development um and will be so until we kind of get into further design but creating a welcoming, inspiring, modern and functional uh environment for the middle school are kind of the repetitive themes that have come out of our conversations. Um, so those are things that we're going to hopefully incorporate to drive kind of what the interior experience of the new um, addition or renovated middle school look like. Um, and half of these projects are multi-studio projects. Actually, um, twothirds of these are multi-studio projects. And then we have a few other projects that we think
026speak to the the character of this particular middle school. Um and we will continue working on um our interior view of the welcome Commons. We are going through our own process of looking at the existing school and looking at other historic renovations we've done and trying to um input enough information that shows its relationship to the existing school um without getting too detailed into the design of the space. We just want this to be suggestive and representative of what the primary entry point might feel like. Um, and so we're going to continue to develop that over the next couple of weeks as we put the package together. Um, and our third image, uh, trying to connect what we've been showing you all as far as program breakdown and our design development into something that can
027kind of give people a sense of scale and proportion and relationship of all of these spaces. And so we thought it would be fun to do a three-dimensional program verification diagram of sorts that shows kind of how the new addition is attaching to the existing school and expanding the academic fitness and um science programs through that new addition and how they relate and interconnect to each other. Um, so that is in progress as well and will be packaged into the final deliverable >> and this is a timeline that we continue to tap into just to understand that the end of the gray decision period is ideally the November bond election and then the time going forward um just to focus on how we would evolve that. I'm going zero. >> Do we want to talk
028at all about the middle school or do we want to jump into the early childhood center now Ted or >> anyone else? >> Just go ahead with the early childhood and we'll come back to everything later. So, >> okay, >> we'll do it. >> All right. Early childhood, we've continued the focus. We met with them on the 25th of March and then again uh virtually last week. That's what I have on my mind. We met with them last week. Um got some great input on the 25th. Uh we kept the same footprint of our building when we met with them on the 25th. The classrooms were still uh less than the space that they currently have. So we uh looked at the existing spaces. we were able to make some adaptions of uh shared shared
029use for things so we could reduce some of the existing things we had programmed and then offer that square footage and then still grow the building but not grow it as much as we were thinking we were going to have to. So there was a good compromise and we did grow the building another 12 foot to the east which then gives us a narrower playground but that playground is still um a little bit over the required minimum for um regulation. So it is about 36 by 60. So if you think about just roughly a 40x60 building or you know just think about the scale of that um that would be the district playground and the daycare they do have different regulations for who they can't play at the same time unless they're separated and um
030accounted for. So this is the daycare. This is for the little littles right outside the um their space. This is what we've changed as we've grown to the east by 12 ft. And then um just showing you this is all remained the same at the top of the uh board. But where we have evolved is we were able to uh change this workroom to a sixperson workroom instead of a 12 person workroom. And actually in that we came up with some more usable storage and copy space along with the kitchenet. U the work room is now not coming through the sensory room. right off or the storage room is not through the sensory room. It's off the work room. These four classrooms all grew from what we originally programmed. They've grown right about um let's
031see, they're at 7:15 now and they started at 420. So instead of growing 1,200 square f feet, we've only grown 750 because we um they made some concessions which were great ones. They were great to work with and it was a team effort to try to make some solutions here. Instead of each having their own bathroom, they have a Jack and Jill. So we reduced those bathrooms. There was a bathroom that was private for the educators and administration. They're going to use the family restroom and the community restrooms. Um those are a couple of the big points. Uh we reduced from a boardroom being here, we're going to share use in the middle school uh over there. So this was reduced to a conference room. And then so these folks instead of their 12 person
032staff meetings here, they're going to be able to use this space. Uh we shifted I think in our last version you saw where we shifted assessment and the flex office over here. So overall, we've grown the building 750 square ft, not 1,200. And they get classrooms that are um within the range of where they currently are. They have three dramatically different classrooms. And um one of them to their brown or long, one of those uh classrooms is the ideal that they um that they said would be great for them at 7:15. So that's how we arrived at reducing the uh the space and our cost per square foot gets a little bit more efficient as we grow building footprint but then we're still increasing the budget. So there is some increased budget but we've shifted
033a lot of the numbers to try to make that impact as minimal as possible with meeting their needs. So that's where we are on the uh early childhood that has a shorter timeline. Um with the new construction the lot is clear so that gives us some opportunity there. Uh we this budget is up for the early childhood approximately 325,000 from what we saw last time. Um it was 11 million 8 uh 11.8 something and so we've raised it 325,000 to accommodate that additional space. So, we've cross-cheed that with our um contractor partner as well to try to arrive at the the number that we foresee for that. And that includes um an escalation factor on this for the time to get to the bond election and uh through at least midpoint of construction. This number
034hasn't changed. Here's our total. that was 36 or 36188 last time. So, it's uh raised a little bit due to the early childhood center. And here's what Adam was uh talking about where we have quite a bit of difference. These are the numbers where it changes from um we're looking at the south entry of the middle school because we can develop that and there's a big range of cost in how we um develop that the canopy costing more than the frame but um we would need to navigate refine that design a little bit more. Uh the maintenance building also uh I've had cross checked with two different uh construction partners and come up with some numbers for the maintenance building. This includes uh some equipment has a a separator, some drains uh two 10 ft
035trench drains in the bus uh drive-thru. We have a meeting tomorrow uh looking at the preliminary design of that. Uh it's roughly a 50 by 100 right now which is the size of your bus barn. So that gives you an approximate thing to compare along with a because of our site is triangular along with a lower volume uh 36x 24 that includes some custodial storage and office spaces in that. So that's evolving. But right here is um they were within $30,000 of each other, the construction partners, the two different ones. So I feel like we're uh where we need to be on that. Um, unless we can uh that would be something we would possibly you would possibly choose to bring into the bond if depending on your funding or at least it would be
036an early step in the project um to clear that space and get them moved out of the way for expansion. So, here's the same numbers we looked at last week for the other items. And then here's some additional ones. I meet tomorrow for uh I have a number from one group and I'm getting a number from another group for the house and theatrical light. So that's still evolving and I hope to get that information to you guys. The other numbers here are truly proposals that we received from folks on that. So they don't include uh yeah they do include exclude they exclude the fees contingencies and escalation because those are proposals from these folks at least Maroyy's and Midwest coding you guys already have contracts so you could directly and those are areas that are
037outside of our focus areas but they were on the list that you wanted us to check or they've become part of our scope. So, I just wanted to make sure we had a capture of everything that's been brought to the table. So, you guys have a a a view of everything that we've been uh focusing on and you guys have asked for and if there's anything you guys want more of or have questions about, let us know and we'll try to respond so you guys have a full vision. This was the number that the bonding agent had looked at before and some of the considerations for how that impacts the voters when they're looking at a bond issue. We've thought of a few things that we can help ourselves with. Um, and we can evolve
038a little more as we need to and we can have some discussion and see where we want to want to take it from here. Um, I guess that's open for comments. David, Adam, do you guys have anything more to add to that or we're really here to to learn and get feedback from you guys? >> Nothing to add. >> All right, you guys have anything questions? >> At 36 by 60 playground, how many kids will that facilitate? >> Great question. And I know that it's going to take me a minute to remember that one. It is for the um let me get back to that. If you guys want to talk a little bit more, I'll make sure I grab that from from what we recorded in 2024, but I have looked at that recently.
039Right now, it's the minimum square footage was 1,800 square ft to accommodate the capacity that we were driven to do. And we are at 2100. Our original design was 25. So, I know we're still exceeding the regulation on that, but I'll look up what that capacity is for you. >> Are these plans like everybody got everything on their wish list and now we have to figure out where we can start cutting to make it more realistic from a cost perspective or are these like the final we're taking this out to the bond? >> Oh, no. in May, you guys are going to decide what all the what all the components are that you do that. So, we'll have we'll get you some detailed stuff prior to that meeting after today's meeting so you can really
040look it over and decide, you know, what to what to move forward with and things like how to package it up. >> But so, like if we're going to figure out what to cut, they're going to have to re configure all of the plans, right? And then rebudget it. So, do we need to get like options for that? like give them options to bring back to May that we can say >> I well I mean >> 12 million >> we talked a little bit about that but how it's packaged with the middle school all combined to one and then the early childhood is that component to do that I mean some of those outlier projects are just to decide to move in or not but as far as the overall scope of that I don't
041know how much there would be to change in my opinion of of that so >> I mean I think we're going to have to some pretty significant changes to get it to pass. That's me personally as from a taxpayer perspective. Um that's why like can we talk about cuz we talked about remodel versus new construction increases the cost significantly. So, what's the cost difference if we just raise the middle school and start from scratch versus, you know, the whole gutting and remodeling? Or what's the cost difference if we, you know, get rid of the wrestling area and leave it the weight rooms and don't add on the baseball and golf thing cuz only one kid can practice in that at a time. Or I mean, I know you said you have some options like not
042remodeling the locker rooms, which is fine. I want to see the options, but I don't know if that's going to make enough of an impact for this to be even. >> Yeah. And it just depends on how you go about going to like the Jones Foundation and that part too of that would offset some of this overall cost too of the direction that we would go down that road. But >> I thought we had talked previously that the Jones Foundation would probably only participate in the early childhood. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. overall just depending on how you guys package that up and the but there's opportunities for some a funding is my understanding as well. >> I don't know what that is but until the board knows where how they want to move
043forward then we could go and make those requests. So >> yeah. >> Was there any further consideration about opening that new addition up to the public for access because I know that may play into like the Jones Foundation too >> for like the preschool side of things. Start with the weight room. >> Oh yeah. Well, I yeah, I don't know if where I mean they're not that's not on their radar. I don't know the Jones would be as it relates to that being public. I mean, we could let them know about that if that's something we wanted to, but that's not on the radar right now. >> If there was any further discussion, >> not with Jones >> or how that would even look. >> Yeah, >> I don't even know what liability that >>
044until we make a decision. We won't know where the Jones fund is period. Until we make the final decision on what we're going to move forward with. >> Yeah. just I mean the direction you guys want to move based on the study that was done and how you want to move forward with that and if it's all that that Alex is referring to then that's I mean has to go down to that road. know what I'm saying? But >> no, no, no. I'm I'm I mean, we talked about that, Alex, like that just come up. Well, and to me the only I I I realistically believe that the only way we can get maybe both things if we completely separate into into two two separate things >> questions >> because I I and that allows
045us more time to bring in extra funding or or supplemental funding for the early childhood center, you know, whether it's through the Jones foundation, whether it's through private, whether it's through whatever. Um, and just for me personally, I I believe the middle school is is is the more important of the two projects just based on how old the middle school is, how inefficient it is, um, and and the impact of or the immediate the immediate impact of of the students that that would be in that sector. Um, you know, you've got high school A, FFA kids, um, the weight room, the added facilities, the wrestling, you know, all those would be immediate. You know, when I say immediate, I don't mean like right away, but like the kids in middle school would would see that
046impact right away. And then the the kids in the elementary school would see the impact of of the middle school and be able to get into there. the prek kids. I just I I am leerary about any sort of partnering with any entity to privatize the daycare side of it because I don't I don't feel that it can s sustain itself regardless if we have 85 kids in there or we have 20 kids in there. I see that as almost a dead end to a certain degree. Now, I understand the impact of having that building here, which I mean, we do desperately need that for our community and for the county, but I have yet to see any significant proof that something like that could be sustainable outside of a larger community like Emporia or
047Topeka or whatever. I mean, we're a town of 2500 people. Our county is a much larger as a whole than Emporia is. Can we find somebody to operate that that is competent that has good staff that could, you know, and then our are our free and reduced lunches or such to where will those families be able to financially afford that daycare in this new building? >> The state pays for it. >> I mean, I don't know. I mean, >> the state subsidizes it. >> Yeah. I mean, >> we have kids that are already going to that the daycare that we're driving to Berling game to >> But how how many kids are at Berling game? >> So many that they open two new daycarees in Osage because that many families were driving to Berling game.
048>> But that's but that's for that for right now. If if that doesn't pass or if that passes, we're looking at 2 or 3 years down the line and every school district, I mean, we're lucky that we're flatlining our student enrollment. That doesn't necessarily mean in 3 or 4 years that it could be sustainable. I mean, I that that's my only that's my biggest concern with RAPI. I don't think our community, our school district can do a $36 million bond or a $32 million bond if we take take all those extras out. I think it's possible to do both if we separate them and then try to get additional supplemental funding for the early childhood center because of the wider impact that the middle school upgrades and changes could be. Yeah. >> So, how do
049I mean with with that, how do we how do we roll in the Jones fund? Like, you're going out to the public saying, "Yeah, it's $11 million to or $12 million to build this when it goes to vote, but how are we going to know, yeah, the Jones Fund's willing to to cover 10 million of it?" I mean, how how they >> we'd have to go to them first and then have that as as a selling point saying, "Hey, Jones Fund has agreed to if if they do, hypothetically, they agree to pay for 50%." Then that's part of our selling factor on getting the vote >> and maybe we whittle that $12 million down to six or seven. >> Yeah. Which is >> five or fer, >> you know, to where it's a much more
050manageable number to maybe it maybe eventually it doesn't have to even become a bond issue. >> Yeah. you know, if if we're able to get additional supplemental funds. I mean, I know that those are all big questions that we have no idea about, but >> I would I would love to shoot for the moon. Like, everything that's on this is 40 million. I'd love to shoot for the moon, but we we I don't feel like our community could support that. >> I mean, $100 a month extra for $150,000 house. >> Yeah. I mean, we don't have a whole lot ofund I mean, yeah, they're probably appraised at 150, but that's an extra $1,200 a year in a community of $2500 people. I mean, I don't know if I could, you know, $1,200 is a lot
051>> for the average person. So, >> yeah, I think it's um I think it's going to be much more appetizing to do a $24 million bond for the middle school. Um and then maybe throw in some of those supplementals, but I mean the maintenance building alone is 3 million. Um >> was the maintenance building 3 million or was it just >> maintenance and some of those other items wrapped into >> Yeah, maintenance was a million. I mean, >> yeah, >> I'm lost on that on how it's 3 million for 50 by 100. >> Yeah, we just >> I mean, >> that's what size of my shop and I can promise you. >> You got so many code issues, though. I think >> I mean, government for that, >> right? I mean, it's just not like
052building a a shop. And I mean, I can't read all that and what's the maintenance trapped in there, but >> the maintenance building and design is a million, but then you you also look at your I mean, the security things are in there. Site drainage. >> I'm sure I'm not understanding how a 50 by 100 >> foot structure is a million dollars, >> maybe a couple hundred thousand. >> Maybe. >> I had two different construction partners price that for me. one of them and they came in within $30,000 of each other. Well, the initial number is not a million, but then we have a uh 10% contingency on it because we're early in design. Uh you'll have to bid it. So, there's different kinds of project development fees and then have 6% on there because
053you're going to have to put equipment into there. You're going to have uh a separator, you're going to have drains, you're going to have um within the building. So, I use the setting percentages on those just to come up with more of a realistic project fee. Not just the construction piece of it, but you're going to have to put equipment in there, shelving in there, um sec your cameras, probably security camera, um >> restrooms, >> those type of things, all factored in. >> There's a lot more to it than just throwing up a building on your property. >> Sure. Construction. So, >> any restrooms in that maintenance building? >> Yes. There's two uh two individual use restrooms, a small kitchenet. Uh there's four overhead doors because they'll also be they'll be storing ice melt and
054it's easier to get that one out. They can also drive a bus all the way through it. Um we have some space for furniture. There's lots of storage shelving in there for all their custodial uh supplies. And then uh there is an office for the maintenance supervisor that can have a a window out and a window into the shop too. And I did that um preliminary design. I have that at a lower volume than the rest of the building. So you'll be a little bit more efficient that way. And because like I said, the site is triangular so it fits nicely that way. It's pretty basic u um layout right now. We'll meet about that tomorrow and I can keep you guys updated. If it downsizes, great. Right now, I'm meeting uh the request and
055the storage. Uh and also looking at what the size of the existing building is. Like I said, the 50 by 100 is roughly the size of your bus barn. So, it gives you an idea of the size of it. >> I wish the number was less myself. I wish all these numbers were less, but um just trying to go with practical numbers that I'm getting from construction partners too and cross-checking. >> I I think realistically probably the middle school bond um separate from the childhood development center. >> What are you needing to make an informed decision in May? What do you need prior to then? >> Different options. I mean, what what happens if we cut pieces of it? What happens if we I mean, we have a we're adding a wrestling facility and a
056baseball and a golf thing, but only one baseball team member can practice at a time and no golf members if baseball's doing it and only one golfer can practice at a time. So, is that really an added benefit to put in a simulator or whatever if only one of them can practice at a time and we've got a whole team if it's rainy that's just standing there watching them for 2 hour. I mean, that doesn't seem like a good investment. What basketball doesn't have a separate gym to practice in? Volleyball doesn't have a separate gym to practice in. They have to carry out their nets or their equipment or their whatever. So, why are we giving wrestling a separate facility to practice in when nobody else has a separate facility to practice in? I'm not
057saying that all of those things need to be cut. I'm not saying any of them need to be cut. I'm just saying from a price perspective, what can we do? Because $36 million is not >> If you go that route, we won't be ready for a vote in November. >> Well, that's why I feel like we should have been having these conversations and been involved. they've been I mean presenting the study as it comes. So >> So if if I might um I'll let me just uh layer in that a little bit. Originally Alex Carson had a comment. Does this have everything on the wish list? And so or that was a question. So yeah, right now it has everything that was the priorities. I can't think of anything that we didn't check off or
058wasn't able to meet on this and we did that getting to this point and as we were adding the numbers up we share that we're trying to be really responsible and give you real numbers and I respect where we are if our our study will that we finish in May will have the full package of what is was on the initial scope so and it'll have it in two studies the early childhood as well as this now in addition to that and David and Adam jump in because that's been on all these questions have been on our mind too and so we're trying to work forward anticipating you know where how can we be of service how can we help you work through these question marks because the last thing I think anybody wants um
059well it's it's up to the voters obviously but how do we meet how do we serve every population how do we serve the middle school how do we serve without somebody saying I have to be the one to to back out. You know, how can everybody still be served and served well and come to um some way that we maybe don't hit everything that was on our original uh wish list, but how how does everything progress and everybody becomes better because of it in our district. And so just today we were playing with some more ideas on that. We've been really trying to get all these numbers together to be responsible in that. And so we've been and it's not just today, but today we um sketched some things up based on what we've been
060thinking. And um David and Adam, do you want me to share my I'll share my uh mirror if we want to talk about some of those if you guys are open to that. Um we've been thinking about you know how do we help in the next layer with our study being what it is and that's um what we're serving come up with some new solutions just to get feedback from you guys. So let me share this screen if this is good cuz I don't want it to be uh like a standstill you know where do we get where do we go from here? So we did AB and X and Y. So this was a very abbreviated thing thinking what if the middle school is a population that is served. They have been in the
061back seat not getting improvements through the last two bond issues. But what if that gets a refresh or if it is, you know, just a light renovation? David, Adam, I've talked a lot. Do you guys want to talk through this? I'm totally open to that. can I can kind of speak to it. So we thought, you know, similar to the question, it might be helpful if our construction program can um put costs to smaller components of this overall master plan. So alternately, we don't have costs on these yet, but if it is of interest to the board, we can work with our construction partner to say, okay, how much is it just the a science and the fitness edition? and then a lighter renovation to the middle school without moving a lot of things around.
062Maybe it's paint, maybe it's some flooring, uh some deferred maintenance items in the middle school, but not moving a lot of walls. And then do the addition to get the square footage for a science and fitness. So that that could be maybe a minimal proposed uh set of work depending on what you think your passable bond value might might be and if you have thoughts on what you think you can pass to voters that'd be helpful as well. So that was kind of the first place where to start. Uh then we got an option for alternate B. We said, "Okay, what if um we're able to afford not only those first two pieces, egg, science, and fitness, but also uh to kind of redo that southeast corner of the middle school where we've got the
063sixth grade common that has a lot of water problems and and and all that. Still take that out and then do the twotory edition on the southeast corner in addition to fitness and egg science." And so >> yeah, on this on this edition that David is talking about over here to the left is a snapshot. It would be two stories. So you would have your um say seventh and eighth or sixth on the first floor and seventh and eighth up here. Um third up here >> and we see an advantage. We talked about, well, what if you just did a single story there, but you're not leveraging your site, your acreage to highest and best value as opposed to going ahead and proceeding with a two-story classroom there like we have in the full master
064plan. So, with that, we need a connection from the existing middle school over to that second floor of the classroom wing. So, we would also add the um kind of that courtyard entry that you see at the bottom. So, we could have uh construction partner price those components. And then I think Bobby, you had alternate X. >> Yeah. Then I I just kept thinking how we put the pieces together because we have um you know, if we do a light here, here's a little different version. It just shows that, you know, we don't we're we're going to take over one of the bathrooms here. So, how what if we just bring in and remodel these bathrooms? Everything in the grade just like up above is not touched. Maybe not even touch the gymnasium. One thought
065is to touch the gymnasium. Another thought is not to touch it at all. Like the very first one, option A, that is the very minimal, but yet everybody gets served. Nobody has to back off the list. just the middle school gets a refresh, doesn't get um everything in that. And then um we would get our secure entry. We would get an abbreviated welcome commons. Perhaps the students come in here and they still utilize the gym like they currently do, but they do get some welcome commons. We get the board board of education offices here. This is all within that existing footprint. We would minimally move walls within this but still give it a good refresh. We would not change the middle school locker rooms or do the um oh these changing rooms that were for
066wrestling and for traveling uh officials. We would keep it just the exact block that it is right now and this block stays just like it is. But you still get this relationship from the ad to the existing construction. So there is progress being made. It's just not uh some of the visibility things and other things that we would really like to solve. Um they're not there just right here. I know part of the weight discussion I'm not this way or that way on it just to explain where we came from. I know that they were um thinking about the distances and so this cage is a cage that can be lifted. So when it's not being used as a cage, it becomes part of an agility um space that more folks could use just for
067a little bit deeper understanding on that space. Um and then there is a version down here where yes, we get our welcome comments on both of these two options. On all of these options, AB, X, and Y, we don't build the second story space in the gym. I think it might be advantageous if it can be afforded to go ahead and gut out the locker rooms and the bleachers and get rid of that um scary space and who knows what all is growing in those. But um cleaning those out and give us a good a good singlestory space within that volume of the gym that you currently have. So we can work with our construction partners and see, you know, what is the cost associated with doing the second story? What's the cost associated with
068writing out this and just doing a light refresh, repurposing these areas once the offices move to being here at the security entry. Um, so I think there's if that is helpful to you guys, we'll package the study, but then start working with a construction partner to see what is it if our needs become not, you know, if there's a little room to to flex to help our numbers become wherever they need to be and if there is an exact, if there's, you know, a range of number that we think we need to target, tell us what you might think might be appealing to the voters. You know, obviously lower numbers are great, but what is it some what's the number we think we can live with to put it out there? What about >> also
069another thing that I've thought of is the early childhood center whether that happens or doesn't happen and and whether the scope of this building is what it currently is or is reduced and anybody can kick me if they think this is a bad idea, but I'm going to put it out there. There are nine classrooms that range from 600 to 800. That that building can get built quicker than we can do this. The middle school has three grade levels with three classrooms each. So, it could be that that and the modular buildings came up last time and I just started to think about that. What if and there's there's always this thing in somebody else occupying your building before it's yours. But what if the early childhood is a middle school for a year, you
070know, and you don't open the early childhood. You don't put the little potties in there yet, you know? You just kind of let that be a middle school for a year. That might be a good idea. It might be a bad idea. And it all depends on how much we do in this building to see if that brings any benefit to it. But you could have that building built, have that operate as a middle school while this is happening, and then transition it over to be the early childhood center. Could save you some dollars in general conditions for construction, as well as you wouldn't have to rent out modulars or figure out where you would place them. If you turn the wouldbe like weight room, studio, baseball, golf thing into classrooms and then still do
071the second floor of um what is what is it called? The used to be the library wing or whatever of the middle school. Does that get you the same amount of classrooms that we would have had and just leave the gym or fill in the locker rooms down below? I'm sorry I didn't completely hear that question. I don't know if David or Adam did, but could you could you repeat that? >> So, scrap the weight room and the studio and the baseball golf and turn that into classrooms. Leave the gym or give the gym a refresh like you talked about. Maybe it doesn't get a remodel, but it gets a refresh and it's still the weight room, but turn the green into classrooms. Does that get you the same number of classrooms you would have
072got that were going to be on the second floor? Obviously, you can't answer that immediately, but just like throwing out other ideas to maybe repurpose. >> Are you imagining that as a temporary scenario to create swing space while we renovate the middle school or a permanent option? >> She said permanent. >> Sorry. Yeah, permanent. All ideas are welcome. >> I don't know the answer to that one, but we would have to study that as a classroom space. I know that um if the if this becomes weight room, then they would not have the wrestling practice gym, right? Or they'd still be operating the same way they operate probably. Right. Right. >> One well Mat just have to be determined how that goes. But I don't know that there is a gain in the function and
073maybe that's okay. >> Bobby, is there enough time to get I mean these other options priced by our May board meeting? >> Um I think what we would do, we're almost done packaging it the way it is. And so I think we would go ahead and just give you that as the deliverable for here's what the real task was and here's where the numbers were. It's always good to have that as a a reference point. And then I don't know if we would be able to have that by the May board meeting. That's coming up pretty quick, but I think we could start that conversation with them because I think the deadline is August. So in June or July, and David, you jump in too. We can start working with them for June or July
074and see how that could kind of evolve. Of course, we wouldn't have the um we may or may not have our plans refined in June or in May or June, but we could start to look at some of those costs. But I think we'd really have to start working on refining our plan and getting it. The first thing would be the numbers and then landing where the numbers need to be and where we're comfortable with and then try to update our plans with what we feel we can work with here. You know, I think we can make any of these options one through AB and X and Y all have great promise to be able to play those out, but we would need a little time to evolve those, right, David? I'm saying that >>
075Yeah. I mean, I think I we need to talk to the construction partner, but I I I feel like, Bobby, we could within the next month have MCP look at costs for some of these big component pieces that we just ran through. They're going to be real rough. They're going to be real high level or magnitude. >> Well, you probably give them what we've basically what we have here. might tell us if if we're cutting five million or 8 million or 2 million or you know that that scale of magnitude on costs so that it could help the board understand okay if we think we can give that kind of scope for just make up another 25 million and the community is getting these improvements then we think we could sell you know, and it's
076it's going to be rough numbers and we'd want to do some continued refinement following the May board meeting, I think, ideally, so we haven't misrepresented anything that folks would ultimately be voting on in November, but I'm kind of curious if the board is feeling like that that would be valuable and even if it's a an initial rough estimate >> of magnitude. David, can I add something to that? I can reach out to Piper Sandler and do increments like 5, 10 million, 5 million and show what that effect is based on each increment to give you kind of a number that you might be able to come up with based on what that tax impact could be based on the different numbers. >> Yeah. >> So, we know where the high end is going to be
077and we can work backwards from that and give you that information to make an informed decision from Piper Sandler as well as long as what they're >> just to see what the overall tax impact could be based on whatever amount that is. >> It's difficult for me to say like here's what I think could be passed because I think what factors into that too is what are we getting for that money? What is the value to the community? So to me it's not just as simple as saying I think we can pass 25 million because I can't say to a community member what they're getting for that 25 million. So is it do you guys need us to put together like do we have top priorities of the board of like this is what we
078community focused on or where do we go from here? >> First of all I think you need to start out where you honestly get a number where you honestly think and then work backwards kind of like they were saying. I mean if we honestly think we can get a bond pass for 25 million we need to go back to these guys and say all right 25 million is our number. What can you get us for 25 million? Am I right or wrong on saying that? I mean, >> well, I mean, >> Ted, you would I mean, >> I don't know. I Tyler, like I said, I've been through this, but I if you wanted guys come up with that number and know what that impact could be that you feel like is worth, then they
079could work from there. It sound I mean, I hear what you're saying. It sound like they can component that out. We can, you know, make some informed decisions or you can make some informed. >> I mean, Dina, you've been through this. I mean, through the boss. I mean, what what do you I mean, what's your input? What what's your thoughts? I mean, I know you're you're you're stepping away, but you have been through these bond issues. >> $36 million is a lot. I would say that Oage City probably will not pass a bond issue that much because we cannot afford it. We cannot afford it. I mean, what do we have? 52% free and reduced lunch just in the elementary school. Crying out loud. So, I think it it is a lot. I do think
080you do need to prioritize. I I tend to agree with Corey because and I know Alex, we've talked about this early childhood and it we know it. We know it. We could suffice in the elementary school with what we've got. We can do it for a while. I do feel like the middle school, it's just deteriorating, deteriorating, and it's just going to get worse. And if we don't fix it now, the cost is going to continue to rise rise rise. So where in five years we might be looking at a 46 million bond issue versus a $36 million bond. You know what I'm saying? I I do feel like the middle school needs to be improved drastically. Not just a little, but a lot. I think that some of the things that we have on
081here are are fun things. We'd love to have them, but do we truly need them as Oane City? I don't think so. That's that would be my my personal opinion. We'd all love to have this, but I do feel like some of that stuff is is stuff that we could live without for right now. We may be looking at another bond issue later on down the line. Who knows? But I do feel like the middle school needs to be improved. >> Tim, what do you think? I mean, do you have an opinion also? I I mean I know you're in that I'm the middle child so uh I feel like I've been neglected >> in the middle school never I mean honestly we we improvements I don't know like I said I don't know if
082the best thing would be to tear down to start over or renovate it you know we did the elementary school in the summer you know we got that done with renovations um what's best again I'm I'm probably the wrong person to ask because I always got what I needed I didn't always get what I But but I think and I think that's what we need to do. We need to get what we need first, then worry about what we want. I I probably agree with Mrs. Paul. I don't think our community could support the $36 million bond. >> But >> is that number in addition to the mills we already have for our existing bond or is that number just if the mills went back to without our bond? It was >> we we have
083a current bond issue right now. >> Yeah. But that'll be I mean we get that paid off and then that >> I'm saying is the $100 a month increase >> based on the current mills that we have right now that we have in >> with the bond >> with that bond in place. Yeah. >> So we would add mills to so it's eight mills for a current bond I think or 8 point whatever for a current bond. So that would be in addition to we continue the eight plus add >> yeah that's the eight the eight is factored into those numbers that you have seen. >> Okay. >> Yes. And this >> and I do believe that those numbers also Ted and you can see if this is what Clayton uh explained to us. It
084does factor in the 22% state aid. It would be the current state aid that we would get. >> So um it factors in that benefit. >> Yeah. I I do believe, you know, we've we've been working with these numbers, coming up with them, and and I I appreciate all this conversation because we want to make sure we're hit that target that's good for the community and and 36 million is is a lot for the community and I respect that. Um I think there's ways like David and I said that we can that we're trying to evolve doing that. Are there any of these on the table? There were ones based on what you guys have just said that we would not be interested in at all. Just doing a refresh of this, keeping this and
085doing that. That's our lowest cost one. We can sure ask for that from our construction partners, but we know there might not there might be some that you just don't want don't even want to entertain, you know, like if you'd only keep the gym exactly like it is and um and do a basic refresh of that. the the conversion of the the fitness area to the classrooms. Is that and I know this may not be an a question we can answer, but which classrooms are you thinking of moving to the first floor? Would that be the sped classrooms? Would that be seventh grade? Would that be would it be large enough to do seventh and eighth grade? And then what do you do with the second story that's now vacant? you know, do we how
086how do we repurpose that as more than just empty space? I mean, I moving those classrooms to the first floor is intriguing to me, but then what moves there and then how much then vacant space does that create on the second floor that we really can't get rid of? You know, that's >> that that's a good comment, Corey. Uh because that occurred to us, you know, today when we were talking about that, you know, if you're serving these, you end up with a bunch of classrooms up here. How do you find a a good use for them? So, I don't know if creating more on the first floor, then how would you repurpose these when we could totally rethink this space up here? >> Weren't we doing more classrooms on top of the gym in
087the original plan? that was a maker space, a flex classroom, and a computer lab. So, we've taken those out of that and just went with the basic um classroom spaces. And then on one of these options, we were just repurposing these rooms. Now, we might get rid of that middle hallway, you know, middle divider and make that computer space over here, but you would no longer have a maker space. We would slow flash through some of the things that were on the list like the maker space in the flex classroom and we have our our grade level pod seventh grade, 8th grade and then sixth grade like the initial like the stakeholders have been wanting all along. You know, we would keep those as priorities. Then instead of developing the maker space and um those
088uh computer lab flex classroom we would just have a computer lab maker space here combined and then this would be interrelated but then we would modify our interrelated which is in Crawford's special ed interrelated programs when I basically you have a a seventh grade right here. Your seventh grade, but they really want to teach in a pod type of um scenario. So really, we're just taking that footprint and reorganizing it to become a pod. So it's it's within the footprint. It's pretty efficient um money spent there within the existing walls of the building. And that's because the seventh and eighth grade, they're they're connected essentially. >> They share a teacher basically. >> They share they share teachers. That's why you really want them together, >> right? >> Wherever wherever they're at >> structurally. I mean,
089how do we know what our middle school's like? I mean, you know, if >> they have all the plans. I mean, the every plan that is on blueprint and all that. >> Correct. I understand they have that. >> But to what extent? Yeah, I understand. So we we go and we start building around it and leaving a bunch of stuff. What do we actually >> got buried >> with our walls that we got now? I mean, that's that's what you have no idea of. >> That's why I said, does it make more sense just to knock it all down and start from scratch? >> Is it cheaper because we don't know what we're going to run into? Our cost per square foot right now on this renov renovation and and the new combined averages out
090to be $290 a square foot which is very you're not that's a darn good number. Um benchmarking I took that out but I can pull it up real quick. Like a new construction there was a benchmarking sheet we had David and I I'll pull that up >> if you want to speak to anything on that. Yeah, because we're seeing new costs, the cost for new construction being $400 to $500 a square foot depending on what region you're in and how competitive your uh contractors are. >> Yeah, the early childhood center was a lot more than the 290 per square foot. >> Does it make sense for cut >> district office out of the early childhood center? Have we >> and remodel the district office as is? >> What would we get for that office? >>
091Oh, I don't know. >> I also think before we make a decision on cutting anything, to be honest, we because we had the Jones Fund engaged before this became a school project, when it was a grassroots community project, they were already engaged. They were following up on a monthly basis saying, "When are you guys going to submit your grant request?" because we would like to spend money in Osage County. We don't spend a lot of money in Osage County. We want to give you this money. Um so I think it would be beneficial for us to have a clear understanding of I mean maybe they can give us a commitment before we take it to bond so that we without granting us because it's not we can't fund it if you know they can't give
092us the money if we don't get the grant because we can't afford the other half out of pocket. But talking to them and maybe getting a commitment to understand what that looks like and does it make sense to cut down classrooms, you know, do we have instead of four, do we go to two? Do we I mean, what is how do like she said, how do we serve everybody? Because I agree. I think the middle school, I mean, just when we did our walk around last summer, it needs a lot of love, but I also know what it's like to try and find daycare, and it's freaking miserable. >> Well, and there's a reason at the early childhood center this bond issue completely. >> Yeah. And how do we invite more people to live in
093Oage if you can't get somebody to watch your kids so you can go to work? Because that's a thing. Well, in our our previous or I guess current bond issue that we're paying off, was it like eight or nine or 10 million or something like that that it was but that but that was even paid it had a higher subsidy or it had a higher% >> I think it was 12 or something you know even if we do the I mean >> as is you know you're tripling the current one >> right >> so >> with less support >> yeah with less port. So, I I mean that's Don't get me wrong, I I want to shoot for the moon. I mean, I I >> You know what the moon is now? At least >>
094um how we get to the moon. That's that's that's the question. >> Drive around. Um but yeah, I I I feel the the alternative options I think would be very helpful to us to see what what could be trimmed because I think right now we know what what the moon is and quite honestly I don't think we can afford the moon whether whether we whether we separate it or not. I, you know, I I would wholeheartedly support the middle school bond on its own and I would talk to anybody till I'm blew in the face on why we need it. But even then, it's triple of what our current bond is in mil. I mean, that's that's scary. So, I don't know. >> I mean, but things are more expensive than they were when that
095bond was passed. >> Yeah. And and we don't get state support. I mean with that that's I think a huge I mean yeah all all those are huge factors. I mean >> things cost three >> and we were eligible for like three different types of aid at that that time. >> Yeah. >> That's not available now. >> But I think if I'm hearing this right and I'm I'm trying to catch everything that's being said. The next step would be us just wrapping up the study the way we've u we have it. So all of those dollars are uh delivered and then we would ask our construction partner to help us with versions of these. They they'll be very close to this. We might come up with some things as we discuss it with them, but
096try to come up with that um by the May by May ideally by the board meeting in May and then get a gauge on costwise where we would be and then David then I think our next step would be an Adam to refine where what our next direction would be to what we think the next path for refining it to then have a good plan in place because voters want you to go at it confidently like they know what they're and everyone does. You're what's being drawn. What are you getting for your money? What's the value? Not just loose. We want to know where we where we land for the money. Yeah, I think it'll be fairly straightforward for us to get costs on these components as we've kind of shown through alternate ABX and
097Y. Um, and let's see if we can get to something that's in the ballpark for what the board feels like they could sell and then we can put more um detail to it once we know what everyone feels comfortable in terms of a general range of scope of work. I think I think the conversation's been helpful and I think that list of component prices will be further helpful for the board to kind of make further decisions. >> Is is there a way that we could get the early childhood development plan? I mean something planwise that we could go to the Jones fund between now and the May meeting. I mean to show them and ask. I mean >> I mean I don't know if I don't know how much of a commitment they need. I
098don't I can reach out to >> there's a form that you fill out. >> Cheryl just said to contact her and then go from there. So I could see I could talk to her and see >> what they would like how much of a plan they need. >> I mean that would that would even help us if we do that by by May. You know what I mean? I mean you cut say it was $10 million. I mean, you cut $10 million off that, you know, I mean, that's that's a good chunk of change that you don't have to worry about going into this. And the people of the community will know that also. I mean, >> so we have the full package updated for the early childhood center. Um, we could get that. We
099just want to make sure we cross check it, but we could I'm saying this, David and Adam, but we could definitely deliver that as something that you guys could start to utilize with >> But what if you cut like the district office out of that or I I think those need to be options for the cuts is like if you cut the district office and we just remodel the district office as is or if we cut down like the early childhood classrooms instead of them having four like the preschool school has four, maybe they just get two or maybe they just get three. And what like what does that do for us? I mean, as far as cost, not saying that we can't take what we have already to the Jones Foundation and say this
100is our wish list and see where they're at. But if they say, you know, we'll only pay for the yellow, then not the yellow and the purple or, you know, whatever, then we know we've got to come out of pocket for the rest. So where where do we figure that in? >> Well, then that at least lets us know too, okay, it's not going to make a difference to cut out, right, >> those dayare rooms, you know, they're going to pay for it. >> So what does the district? >> Yeah, you have we have five daycare rooms. So yeah, if you cut that to two daycare rooms or three daycare rooms, >> wouldn't this >> is that something you want to do in advance of taking this to them or would you want to take
101this see what the response is? >> I say we present this to them as is and then >> if they say no, we'll only give you 8 million then we can make some changes and refinements at that point. >> Right. Exactly. So I I say Bobby what you've done with the or we try to let's present that as is >> and see see kind of what we can get back and then we can move forward with any maybe concept changes at that point. >> Okay. I that sounds great. I do believe and you guys can tell me if I'm right on this. Um the daycare and the community based parts are the things that they focus on for offering the money. um you know so cutting back on those potentially would cut back what they're
102willing to >> right >> pay am I right >> okay >> so if you cut down a Ford daycare that would influence how much money that they may or may not give as well >> we can learn like Alex said we can learn we can learn feedback from them about where the project stands and then if we need to make those adjustments based on their feedback >> sure >> so I think David and Adam I think we're ready we'll look at this and I in the next I don't know couple days or right away we'll just cross check this and deliver it to you guys ahead of the other package the other study and I'm comfortable with that. We'll just do a little cross-checking and make sure cuz it's just an update from our 2024
103that added the additional features that we've talked about. >> Yep. >> And if you guys can work forward with it then I'm happy to keep progress on that. >> Sounds good. Bobby. >> Okay. >> Well, it's been helpful feedback. It's tough tough decisions, but very good uh input from everybody. >> Yeah, it is good feedback. >> Thank you guys for all your hard work. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. All right. Um, JBCC non-resident policy capacity. You guys should all have some of this information. if I can find it. So on the capacity um again we have to do this annually um for non-resident capacity to inform our public on that. We have to have it posted on our website by uh May 1st. updated the numbers uh based on enrollment projections um >>
104and see what the open spots are. Basically, you have to have to list what capacity is or what enrol enrollment projections and what capacity enrollment could be um what the number of spots are basically by grade level. And this is K through 12 only. Does not include preschool. So, it's just the annual one we have to do. I think it's the third year in a row that we've had to do this. Um, so we've updated those numbers um for the board to approve. So if there's spots available then or no spots available then we wouldn't allow them to enroll. But if we have more than en or request to enroll, then we'd have to do some type of lottery pick, draw out of a hat. Um, but if we have spots and they they would
105automatically get in as it relates to >> So basically we're looking at 59 students, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. But to be at capacity basically based on the numbers. Yeah. >> But depends on the grade level too though. >> Yeah. Correct. Yeah. I was just thinking overall >> sure >> and with this the with the what's the new rule that got passed or whatever with sports will that have an effect on >> I don't know that I there I don't know that that's done done okay >> it's just being talked about so that'll be in my update that there's there's a few things that are done and but the governor did some things too but as far as >> I don't know that that would play into capacity because they would not be considered part
106of our enrollment, but they could participate in activities. So, but it wouldn't affect this. >> Okay. >> Oh, they would not be subject. >> Yeah. Homeschool kids and >> private school kids. >> Private school. >> Yeah, that I Yeah, I would imagine that would be the case. >> Yeah, that it wouldn't be. >> We include them in activity numbers but not in capacity numbers. >> Yeah, we'd have to let him participate. So, we'll get this posted um on our website May 1st like we're supposed to. >> I would like to make a motion to approve the non-resident policy capacity as presented. >> Second, >> I tien. >> Hi, >> Carson. >> Hi, >> Epson. Hi, >> Parsons. >> Hi, >> Linton. >> Hi. All right. Phonics 95. >> So, do you want to talk about
107this, Miss Paul, or you want me? I mean, as a as a as as a result of letters training, um, they identified some, um, phonics as a as a as a need area to have some support in. So, um, they did the leg work to get to this recommendation today for the 95% group. Um, so it's a grade by grade level. Um, I don't what Yeah, I mean I can I just wrote down some things because I said why 95% phonics? Well, it's approved by KSDE as an approved list of evidence-based practices. Right now, um some of our teachers in K2 use sax and phonics. That's not even approved by KSD um as evidence-based. Third through fifth grade, they just kind of supplement with whatever they use. Really great reading. Some of them use EULI,
108some of them use um Edmark. I mean, it's just a variety of things. And so our students, especially our atrisisk students, do not learn the same vocabulary and they're not being taught the same teaching strategies. So it gets a little bit confusing from grade level to grade level or teacher to teacher. So we need something where the language and the techniques are consistent with our kindergarten through fifth grade, but it also includes preschool teachers, too. And so it would include our preschool students. Um, we've sent teachers, a lot of our teachers, a lot of the elementary teachers have gone to Poliola in Wellsville because they use 95% right now they use 95% phonics as their core instruction as their intervention piece. And that's kind of what we're looking at. We're looking at it for our
109core instruction for phonics. So, it's very consistent. And then we would use it for our tier 2 and tier three um interventions to help our students that struggle with reading. basically phonics and phmic awareness is really what we're looking at. Um that's kind of what I had written down. >> Is this an annual subscription we have to pay? It says that ver solution sources one-year license. >> It is a one-year license that and we knew this going into it. It that other district said it's very expensive but it's wonderful. It's really good. So, here's the thing, and I I've sent this to Mr. Hessan, too. Besides what you see here, yes, we would have to renew it every year. It's not going to cost us $37,000 to renew every year. It would basically be this.
110We have to renew the building license um which is um their basically their their library that they provide. And that was around $6,000. So, that that's a big cost of it would be that per year. But then they cost $78. They charge us $78 per teacher um for their online materials after this year. And then the workbooks and I thought maybe we could get by with just one year of workbooks. But for all the teachers that have gone out, they have said they have seen all of the students use their workbooks. So our they would be basically disposables at the end of each year. And those would cost um they're $80 for a bundle of five for the year. So I figured that out for what we would currently have for next school year and
111it would be $4,400 for the workbooks. And then for the online materials, it would be about $1,600. So when you're looking at all of that together, it would be about $12,000 every year after this first year. And I know that that sounds like a lot, but when I divide that out by 271 students and I divide it by however many days we have, it averages out to be about 24 cents per kid per day. So there you go. >> Of these schools that of these schools that you talked to, uh, have they been using it very long? And do you know how much improvement they've seen? >> Piola has used theirs for for a few years and they said that they theirs is like the whole school uses it. Um they basically have one block
112to where they they do all reading. So we're talking kindergarten through fifth grade does their all reading block together. Um but they have seen really great great improvements in their reading. Um Wellsville I can't remember. I think that this is the second year that Wellsville used it. I don't remember that Jim. Um but yeah and and they they just seemed they feel like I think that they're getting into it. They feel like that their kids are actually using their reading skills better than what they have seen in the past. And it it's just different the way and Kathy can attest to this too. It's just different the way students learn how to read. Like when I learned how to read, you memorize. That's what you did. It it you couldn't memorize. Sorry. You went probably
113into another reading group or whatever. But they don't read that way anymore. It's very different the way that we teach reading. And it's all about the science of reading. So that's 95% phonics as part of that. >> Does this replace our reading? I know you don't like to call it curriculum, but I forgot what you like to call it. >> It would replace our phonics series, >> but we would have a separate reading. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> So what is a standard if we were to purchase I know we've just purchased the math. What I forget off the top of my head what did that cost us? We plan it what sixy year life cycle or fiveyear life cycle. So, if this is $1,400 for you didn't say 14, it was $1,400
114for one piece of it. But what does it cost out over like a 5-year curriculum lifespan? Is it similar to a curriculum lifespan for reading or math or whatever? >> It's more expensive. I'll be honest with you. >> Yeah, it's 12,000 a year, >> right? I understand. But so 60,000 a year or for five years. So what did we pay for the math? >> 27,000. >> Okay. Yeah. So significantly more >> that's for six years and that's for right. >> Yeah. So this I mean this is >> I'll be honest. >> But reading is kind of important. >> This this may be an ignorant statement but math is math. I mean the math language is a math language. Reading reading maybe a little bit it it changes comprehension. >> Does it? >> I mean algebra
115is algebra. Geometry is geometry. at Duchan. It's two plus two. Yeah, I know. >> My wife's over there making faces at me. I know. >> Math home will work right now. >> I mean, one plus one plus one plus one. >> Yeah, I mean, math doesn't >> I will say we did try and cut down on the cost because they were going to charge us for professional development. They were going to charge $12,000 for all of the teachers. And I just told Andrea, I said, "We we cannot do that. We So, I reached out to Pola and said, "Could you guys provide us some PD?" and they can't do that legally. So, um, then I thought, gosh, what else can we do? So, Andrea did say that we can do some virtual training and it
116would cost if we get it done by a certain time, I think it's the be the middle of May, it will cost $100 per teacher. Um, if we don't get it done by, it's $120 per teacher, but so that would be significantly less, which it ended up being around $6,000 for training, but it we're still saving some money there. Yeah, that was they wanted to do PD for each grade level. It was crazy. >> Like, why are we doing that? >> So, we only So, there's We've only been to two schools. Do we know however many else? Berling game uses 95% phonics. Um, and I think Lynon might use 95% phonics. >> My sister's school uses 95% and they have >> And where are they at? They're at Royal Valley and they have a really
117good she says she absolutely loves it and she's a reading >> and I will say through our letters training both of the ladies that we've had through letters training over these last couple of years both of them they haven't really pushed 95% phonics but when they talk about what we're doing they talk about 95% phonics probably the the main two are is this one and really great reading However, really great reading, the bad thing with really great reading is that it does not include I think it doesn't include preschool if I remember right. And I think it only goes second through fifth grade. >> Are all the teachers on board with this? >> Finally. Yes. It was it's a struggle. I mean, we've done this probably for the last whole I mean, since last year
118at this time, we've been looking at a phonics unit, but they were so set with saxs and phonics and and and I get that because they've used it for so long, but it is only a K through2 product. That's the problem. So then when we go through three through five, well, the K through2 says, well, but it's okay because you know, we're getting there. But three through five deals with a lot. And Kathy, you can talk about this. She's not paying attention. But morphology, multi-seatic words, all of that goes third through fifth grade, and they don't cover that in K through two, but we don't really have anything that helps our students understand that part of phonics. >> This is K through five, right? >> This is actually it would be prek through five. There
119there we included in this budget is a program that is strictly for preschool teachers and preschool students. >> Is that the talk to learn? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> We start using it next year. >> Yes. >> Did you talk to Melinda about it when you guys met about I know she has an awareness of it when I talked to her a little bit. Yes, she's actually she is aware of 95% phonics and she knows some districts that she knows that uses it. We didn't really go into that, but >> yeah, that's what she said. >> She said she's heard good things about it. That's what she had said. >> Yeah, she's that's what she said. >> I don't know why her question. I mean, we're talking about spending >> all this on that's exactly
120what I was thinking. >> If we don't if we don't have a kids that can read to put in the classroom I mean >> where's Derek? I don't understand why we're just I mean I >> um I like to make a motion to um move forward and accept the phonics 95 academic resource. >> Second as a resource. >> Hi >> Linton. >> Hi >> Lmire. >> Hi >> Carson. >> Hi >> Ty. Hi >> um >> Hampton stall. >> Hi >> Carson. Hi. Would you just like to talk? >> Thank you guys for >> Okay. Um, building reports. >> Any questions on the building reports? >> Busy time. It looks like >> busy. >> I'm sure the countdown's on to the end of the year. I'm sure the kids know. I >> think Kase said
12119 days >> for seniors. >> That doesn't sound like very many. >> No. >> If you haven't had a chance, do go out and check out what Qual Quality Build Construction put out on the playground. It really is a nice facility shelter for our >> Was that donated or >> That was all donations. That was nice. >> By Midwest Construction and um Waters Hardware and Quality Belt Construction. So yeah, they did all that over spring break. >> Very nice. >> And then the fundraiser. Are we still working on getting the picnic tables? >> Nope. The picnic tables are underneath there. The only thing we're waiting on right now is uh we are going to do a dedication. So I'm going to bring all all the the owners of those three companies and just kind of
122like what we did with the playground equipment. Do it like a ribbon cutting ceremony. But we are in the process right now of um getting uh plaques, one for the west side and one for the north side um to recognize those people that donated. As soon as those get in, then I'll contact the the owners. We'll do a ceremony. >> Nice. >> Yeah, it looks nice. >> Yeah. Any other questions? >> All right, superintendent report. >> All right, just a legislative update. Not going to get into a lot of details because I don't know a lot of details right now because things are still in limbo, but the governor did sign off on the cell phone ban. Um KSB just released guidance like 2 hours ago to help us. I don't know if you've got
123that email to help us talk through we've talked through it a little bit. Um we'll have to talk with our new admin team. Um we I mean how we're interpreting that could go several different ways um about on the person and different things. So we're hopefully KSB can give us guidance on that. Consequences are going to be a big talking point of what that is um as it relates to the ban. There was no guidance on that from the legislature on that. Um, so we will continue that conversation as we learn more. I'll review that leg that update from KSB about the cell phone ban. Um, but we will bring that to you guys to have an open discussion about that when we're ready to do that as we know more. Um, but there's a
124lot of a lot of things up in the air about that of how to define some of that wording in there. So, um that she did veto two bills that would affect school districts. one's a 3% um if you if your budget raised by more than 3% um a a if if somebody your community or whatever your school district got 10% of the voting um public to sign off on opposing that more than three 3% increase then you would not you could not utilize that. So, she did vote to vote veto that, but it will go back to the legislature for the veto override. Not sure where that's going to land, but that could hurt us down the road if we did do a bond issue and we passed it and we didn't have the
125funds to do that because we didn't we increased our budget by that much, you know, and then it just takes 10% sign off on voters that >> we wouldn't be able to. So bond finance or companies are a little, you know, leerary of all that. So it was vetoed, but not sure where that's at if it will have a veto override. Um, so that was just today announced. And what was the other one? Um, >> and there's something about special education. >> Well, they did put some money into in the budget. um they put 10 million, but that's just it's that's just a drop in the bucket when they need over 90 million to um or 900 million, I think, to get to um >> fully fund. >> Yeah, fully funded. So, um but that
126they're still working through that to get that. I don't know whether I don't know if the governor signed off on that. I assume she will, but um but 10 million, I think I shared that with you guys in my last update um as it relates to that. So um but that 3% cap was one maybe with cell phone that they talked about getting the guidance out um on a video I watched today from USA. So >> um but so it's really just waiting for that. They I think they're in back in session today or tomorrow they were off. So they'll be back and start looking at some of that. Um but some of those outliers that are on there, they're they're sitting there. I don't know if they'll have any traction on, you know, homeschools
127kids and those things. Um but I don't get really too into it until the decision's been made. So um but that 3% one is going to be could be not good if that happens. where 10% of the voters can just do that. So revenue neutral is up in the air too about having to do that or not do it. At one point we weren't going to have to do it as a district, but then they've changed it and made it harder to do and so I'm not sure where that one's at either. So but it'd be nice if that went away. But um but so a lot of things are up in limbo. I'll keep you updated as they get kind of finalized and and where they're at. But um but like cell phone ban,
128we will be talking about it as a board. um as we do handbooks and things of that nature to address that when it's time. So that is for next school year. So um budget projections um I don't have those right now. Um Fred's he I can't meet with him till um Tuesday. So we'll have that on Tuesday for you. Um what we anticipate is new money. Um they're looking around 3% increase of the CPI. It's 3 point something. um consumer price index is what what we're anticipating, but that should be finalized this month. We should know what that exact number is as it relates to the consumer price index percentage and the increase for that for new money with the budget as it relates to that. And then we'll plug in our numbers for projection
129enrollment projections and get a good idea of that. Um but we're setting good overall as a district. Um I know that coming in to to get towards the end of the um school year. Um but we'll have good numbers for you next week. Um after I meet with Fred just to kind of review what I have. So uh just reminder negotiations training. Um we we did exchange letters. So I'll get a copy of that to you in my update this week of their letter. Um and you have ours. So we did get that exchanged. But if you haven't done the training, you need to do that. And I anticipate we'll start after school's out for negotiations typically is when we do that. So, um just a reminder about high school graduation and promotion, 8th grade
130promotion. Um those dates there. So, um would like to see all board members attend, but if you can't, I understand. Um that's kind of why we're here for those kids and help them see them graduate. So, if you can't make it, I understand, but we would like for everybody to be there on those dates. So, I know Tim put in his update looking for a couple people to help hand out. So, um that date will be here before we know it. So, >> PJ, I'm assuming you'll be there. >> I'm not going to go. >> Want to see everybody cry? >> Yeah. >> They're all the stage. >> Anyone else want to volunteer to hand out >> or PJ can do them all? >> I can do them all, too. It's fine. >> Okay. Thank
131you. Um, and then just a reminder, we're end of the year lunchon. We'll have that on May 20th. Um, around noon, we'll start that. We'll invite the retirees again, have a little program to finish off the year. So, um, but that's my report. Uh, and I'll keep you updated on the legislative stuff as it kind of kind of comes to conclusion. So, >> no legs. >> No, they they we don't meet till next week. So, >> that Monday. >> Yeah. Well, nothing to update on. Perfect. That I know. >> All right. Uh, I move that we go into executive session to discuss supplemental positions, certified positions, and classified positions pursuant to the non-elect personnel exception under coma. And the open meeting will resume here in the boardroom at we'll say 8:20 uh with superintendent Mr.
132Reman and Mr. Kimble present. Please >> second. Clinton. >> Hi >> T. >> Hi >> Carson. >> Hi Lar. >> Hi Parson. Hi All right, we are back in open session. Um, I'd like to make a motion to approve the resignation of Tabitha Refro as district reading specialist and sixth grade teacher for 2026 2027. Approve the retirement of Lori Fagger as the computer science teacher. Approve the recommendation of Mr. Greg Morgan as the high school principal, Miss Kelsey Geese as a high school dance sponsor, Miss Jamie Keefe as the head middle school volleyball coach. Um approve the OCE and OCS summer school uh instructors, teachers. >> Second. >> Hi Hi, >> Parson. >> I >> t >> I >> Parson. >> Make a motion to adjourn. Second. >> Ready. >> I Carson. Hi. >> Thank
133you everyone.