Board of County Commissioners | Regular Meeting | March 3, 2025

001e e e Board of Commissioners to order at this time I would like to recognize commissioner Clancy balam for the invitation in invocation byow your heads please dear Lord we just thank you so much for this place we call home but we uh ask that you give us wisdom to be good stewards and that you would guide us in our decision making Lord we know we're blessed we know that every good and perfect gifts come from you and that we are truly blessed so help us to be stewards of what you've given us but we thank you for all your many blessings we thank thank you for each other and just ask you would guide us through this evening in Jesus's name we pray amen amen if everyone would please stand for the pledge to

002the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all the next item on the agenda is informal comments from the community Madam clerk has anyone signed up to speak in in formal comments have sign up ahead of the meeting got it okay thank you very much we will recognize the speakers who signed up for informal comments each speaker must address the board from the lect and begin their remarks by first giving their name stating where they are residents in Union County and indicating the municipality within which they reside if any each speaker will have three minutes to make remarks a tone may sound at the conclusion of your remarks a speaker may not yield their time to another speaker

003speakers may not discuss matters which are the subject of public hearings and they must be courteous in their language and presentation restatements or repetitive comments by the same speaker whether at the same or separate meetings may be ruled out of order and terminated by the chair personal attacks will not be tolerated speakers may leave written comments and or supporting documents if any with the clerk to the board okay I will first recognize have claw how are you guys good evening um can I get these to the members thank you and then there's some extra brushes good evening thank you guys um I'm Heather Klaus um I am a resident of Union County uh been a resident for oh gosh years born and raised in Charlotte so not many natives of us us um I wanted

004to just come and present our uh nonprofit Foundation uh to the community and just talk a little bit about what we do um Kimberly's Place Foundation um is a local nonprofit for mental health and suicide prevention um we started our uh Foundation um in memory and our driving purpose for a dear Union County Public School teacher who committed suicide back in December 8th of 2020 um she was knocking down berries herself and really trying to uh Bridge some gaps uh when it comes to students families um and that in the community for mental health Down syndrome and many other nonprofits that we partner with uh we are currently uh doing amazing things and partnering with our community with um different government agencies different nonprofits um and just making a huge impact in our community um

005our services include uh we case manage with different families and then reach out to all of our different resources and nonprofits uh whether that's therapeutic services uh we help agas from as little as little ones that can speak enough and then all the way up to Veterans so we partner with the BFW as well um the other thing that we're trying to do within the community is there's not really a major uh crisis kind of connection when it comes to Suicide or any Mental Health crisis after hours you can call a 988 uh number and it's wonderful we partner with them as well to get our information connected together um but we are really Hands-On in the community especially local so our phone number you can contact any time um we will reach out to

006the families uh we partner wonderful agencies in the community that we can um literally just call and make sure that those people have direct services at any time and the great part about this is right now currently we are self-funded um by our local uh partners and hopes sponsors and ourselves um thank you to a lot of my family members and other people who we partner with um but we take those funds and 100% goes directly back into the community for these families that call us or contact us um so I know my other partner is getting ready to come up in a little bit I don't want to take her speech away from her she's just going to continue uh with that but we just wanted to say you know we're here we are

007continuing to try to drive grant funding uh whether local state and federal um and our goal is to continue to really break that stigma for the mental health support in um our County and state would you like to share the phone number yes uh it's 74200 6193 is the direct number and anybody whether you're uh in the county using resources or outside resources will be glad to help anybody okay thank you very much you the next speaker um is Laura given good evening I'm Laura given I am the vice president of Kimberly's Place Foundation um I am a resident to Union County since 2013 um in mon we live in Monroe but in I guess the municipality of Wesley Chapel um so um like I said we really drive to create and fill those gaps

008for U mental health and suicide prevention um just to kind of tackle back on to what she was saying we've created a bunch of Partnerships already in in the community um since we've established uh the foundation um including Partners Turning Point VFW of Indian Trail Atrium lavine's children's hospital where we provide a uh mental health self-care day for patients and families that are there on the rehab floor monthly um we also are connected with Union County Social Services and their Mental Health Solutions group to help fill in the gaps where we can in our community um and just kind of really help you know bind it all together um where where our community is lacking um we help provide Suicide Prevention Services free hope support groups um we offer uh the Community Resources and Emergency

009Services we also offer financial assistance to the family and individuals that are seeking therapy and mental health um Mental Health Services the foundation also offers um and provides educational support for students including educational tutoring Transitional Assistance going from day treatments back into schools um IEP and 504 assistance um the goal for the foundation is to grow Our Hope program to incorporate Mental Health Services educational and therapeutic support all in one location um and financial support at no cost for the community sustain uh excuse me at one place with financial support or no cost to the community sustainability so it's been amazing um just like her we you know we lost our friend um I also have a child that struggles so it was something that was really drawn for me to become a part of

010and many students many kids um in the county just we need help and to be able to help provide that and be able to do this self-funded at this point um like she said before we are continually trying to go after more funding um to really help provide what we're lacking would you like to share the phone number one more time for those that need help yes ma'am it's um 7042 6193 thank you so much you're welcome are there any other speakers who have not signed up who wish to speak tonight hearing none we will move to the next item on the agenda this is okay that brings us to three items that are public hearings before opening the first public hearing I will read the rules that will apply for any members of the

011public wishing to speak on any of these public hearings each speaker must address the board from the lect and begin their remarks by first giving their name stating whether they are residents of Union County and indicating the municipality within which they reside if any each speaker will have three minutes to make remarks a tone may sound at the conclusion of your remarks a speaker may not yield any of his or her time to another speaker speakers shall limit their remarks to to the subject of the public hearing speakers may leave written comments Andor supporting documents if any with the clerk of the board the first public hearing is item 25- 069 regarding con conditional resoning K CZ d224 d006 New Salem I will open the public hearing and recognize Lee Jensen our director of Planning

012and Zoning for comments from the staff thank you madam chair good evening board manager Matthews um as you stated this this is a reson request is 2024 cz6 working title of New Salem um it's a resoning request it's been submitted by ter Terry and Deborah Stevens um probably should wait for the screen to drop I guess we could see it over there um they're revising the union asking to revise the Union County zoning map um by resoning two Parcels um of property totaling about 2 and a half acres uh from ra40 to light industrial with conditions um and they'll also put those two Parcels together into one piece um several conditions um that are associated with that um they'll have they've asked for fiveyear uh vesting rights um that the development will meet all the

013requirements of the Union County development ordinance um that the approval will be limited to the site plan dated December 9th 2004 that they'll install a six foot opaque 6 foot opaque fence um along the northern border of the property the next slide you'll see a site plan I'll kind of point out where that where that is and then the proper property will meet the post construction requirements of the 210 and 50-year storm events um again this is the site plan this is in the northeastern um kind of corner of of the county um you can see my if you can see my cursor here this is New Salem Road and you got sugar and wine Carl Po and Tarlton Mill if you're familiar with pul Mountain Grocery it's kind of CAD cornered to this um

014gives you a good point of reference um so again they're asking to um the specific request is light industrial with conditions and the proposed use is a type two um Mini Storage uh Warehouse units so that's the typical kind it's not climate control those are the metal long metal buildings with rollup doors that's kind of what you see um this is the northern border of the property during one of the community meetings the owner of the property's back here uh that that's that was a minor subdivision that was done maybe a year or two ago they requested because they're going to be building some homes back there that they that there be a um opaque fence and I believe the applicant has agreed um with that request um and the entrance on the site um

015because this is a you've got a number of roads that kind of come together right here in into this intersection um ncdot wanted that driveway push back as far away from that intersection as they could so you see the entrance coming off on New Salem Road right here um existing conditions this is the first uh top left is looking into the site so you can see it's a I think there were some trees on it those trees were were taken down um but you can see it's a cleared site there is a a existing driveway going into the property um and then looking at at the rest of the pictures uh top right looking South along new Sal Road you can see it's a fairly rural very rural area up there a lot of Farmland

016um and then the other two are are kind of across the street and looking to to the north again you can see the pul mountain um grocery there in both of those pictures what christas corner I I could not remember the name of the other one I appreciate that um as far as development status go you can see there's a lot of undeveloped property out here again a lot of vacant agricultural property but a fair number of large lot um residential homes and again that commercial node right at the intersection um on the site itself there are no major environmental features I will note that across the street uh there's some identified Wetlands however there there's also some identified Wetlands at the site of of P Mountain Store I don't believe those are actually there

017um some of these maps are are based on old data so you can again those are underneath buildings so I I don't think those actually exist but you can see some streams in the area but again on the site which is here is those two Parcels highlighted in black no major environmental features um the vast majority of the zoning in the area is ra40 so that's your residential agricultural 1 acre minimum lot size um zoning District however right at the intersection christas corner and P Mountain Store um are zoned before and they have been for quite a number of years um in terms of existing Transportation no improvements uh to any of the roads identified in that area um latest traffic counts were from 2021 and 2022 those were by ncdot can see about 2,700

018um daily trips along New Salem Road and about 300 on Carl PK um the Union County uh 2050 comprehensive plan land use map if future land use as rural residential which is a low density um residential zoning District um because this is a commercial reson request uh we did not consult Union County Public Schools um public water is available to the site however the site is not requesting to ATT to connect to water um and it will not require Septic Service uh community meeting was held in January uh three residents attended the meeting um that ask about the septic fields because this was this site was part of that minor subdivision that was approved those lots were sold off um subsequently appli for resoning which is why're here tonight um a couple people ask about

019the previously permitted septic systems um because I believe there were some easements that came onto this property for those septic systems um the two owners have worked together and have figured that out and they've moved those Septic Systems off of this property on to an adjacent one um couple people ask about lighting and glare on adjacent properties um no changes really made based on those I believe there's a note on the plan that the only lighting will be wall packs which will actually go on the building itself um and no other comments were received by staff and the closest towns are really unable in Fairview and they're a good number of miles away so no other towns were were solicited um before I get into the report or the recommendation um kind of go some

020of the negatives and positives um some of the negatives the land use map does identify this area as rural residential um the light industrial designation is not consistent with that um with that res residential um identifi identification um and the proposed resoning could facilitate ongoing and future um industrial uses in close proximity to existing residential uses that may not be consistent with the plan however there are a number of positives associ assciated with this resoning uh there are two existing businesses previously noted um across the street um those properties are both zoned for non-residential use and have been for a number of years um the light industrial zoning with the condition with the conditions and the type of use that's proposed um will be very consistent with what's already there across the street um and

021then the proposed use would not create a significant amount of traffic we've seen that um that storage units don't create a lot of traffic it's just usually people going and dropping stuff off and every once in a while picking things up um and then it if approved it can meet the Union County development ordinance and with those other conditions we meet storm water requirements and and the other things that that were mentioned um So based on that uh staff's recommend recommended approval U we're also recommending that the uh comprehensive plan be amended uh for a commercial node at that intersection um I I will point out too that that is one thing that the I'm going off track here a little bit but the land use plan um the rural land use plan steering committee

022is looking at are areas out in the rural parts of the county that may have some small um businesses at intersections and and the need to maybe update the plan to have rural um commercial nodes um so so this would be in line with kind of some some of the things that that they're talking about so um staff has recommended approval and the planning board at their meeting also recommended approval and that was um unanimous I'll be happy to answer any questions I believe I saw the applicant here earlier so they may want to come up yep there you are um they may want to come up and make a presentation but if you have any questions to me I'll be happy to answer does anyone have any questions M yes um Lee just one

023question if you could go back to the request and conditions slide might have been your second there we go so item number three year the approval is limited to the site plan dated December 9th 2024 yes sir um just for clarification purposes um so the the conditions of this resoning would be that the site plan as we saw tonight um would be yep so we're talking about many storage facilities and that's all yes so if if they wanted to do something different they could come back and ask the board to change that that approval with an update site plan okay so the storage of you know equipment or Machinery things like that would be out of the scope of this site plan correct now I I will say if they wanted to store equipment or

024whatever inside one of those units um then then they could sure um but it couldn't be open outdoor storage okay thank you sir any other questions okay I do want to rec recognize um the applicant um if they'd like to share any comments or say a few words thank you board my name is Terry Stevens we live probably five minutes from there and um we do on Christen Corner which right directly across the street there so uh we just uh you know we was pondering one day about the storage buildings and you know we've had a lot of compliments of people coming in and you know kind of helping us make a decision to do that and that's the reason we're doing it and I I think the Union County is really um behind us

025100% so they behind us we're ready to go okay we ready to start tomorrow thank you both for being here right thank you thank you madam clerk has anyone signed up to speak at the public hearing on this matter okay is there anyone here that would like to speak on this hearing that did not sign up okay we have no speakers from the public signed up for this public hearing I will now close the public hearing the next public hearing on our agenda is item 25- 068 regarding conditional resoning for case cz- d007 Gold Branch I I will open the public hearing and again recognize Lee Jensen for comments from County staff thank you madam clerk again as as as you've already stated this is a resoning request 2024 cz7 um the Gold Branch um

026resoning there's a lot of words on this page um again this is a request uh to change the zoning on a parcel along 218 from r840 to R4 with conditions and there are a number of conditions associated with this um again the applicant is asking like previously the applicant on this is asking for a a a vesting of 5 years um they'll develop according to the site plan dated November 5th 2024 um they will subdivide out a piece of property um that's not included as part of the development I'll show you where that is when we get to the site plan um they'll meet all the requirements of the Union County development ordinance um they will be subject to the conceptual um master plan that was submitted as part of the resoning application um they'll

027meet the post construction storm water requirements of the 210 and 50-year storm events um there's a number of design guidelines on here variety of building materials um and then you can see there's a list of of types of materials that they can use um accessory structures have to be the same architectural style as as the house um they have to meet the uh requirements of the Tia um that includes uh meeting any off-site improvements required by ncdot um and prior to the platting of the 400th home the developer would agree to contribute um $500,000 to Union County towards improvements at The milgrove Lawyers Road roundabout or other Road improvements in the general vicinity of the project um and then NC 218 and access one which I'll point out on on the site plan in just

028a minute there'll be an eastbound right in it's essentially a right in right out movement um at that intersection and then mil Grove and access to which again I'll point out on the um uh site plan that will be a full movement and I'll I'll show you where that is on the site plan um it'll be a age restricted community so 55 and and over um so and what that means is at least 80% of the units um have to have at least one occupant who is 55 years or or older um so that's and I can let the the applicant will probably want to give a little more detail on that but that's generally what that means it's 80% and one person in that house has to be um and then there are some

029things in here about future amendments to the plan they'll have to come back to the board to ask for those they can make some minor tweaks based on staff approval but any major tweaks would have to come back um before the board and um that's that's all the conditions um here's a site plan again I said I would point out where those access points were this is the access on to 218 um so again that's a right in right out I believe there's a median that will be constructed to prevent those those left turns onto 218 and this is the access on to M Grove so there'll be a number that's a full movement there'll be a number of improvements associated with both those um total number of lots is 727 um so looking at

030the site this is looking at the site from 218 this is a site from milgrove road so you can see it's pretty rural um out there currently um and then this is looking south from Rock Hill Church Road from site in from Russell Road so you can see it's a pretty rural area um not a lot of development out there currently so this is the development status you can see these are the resoning parcels this is the piece that would be cut off that would do not part of the rezoning I just wanted to point that out um not again not a lot of development out in the area there are some subdivisions again you've got um I'm sorry I can't remember the name of this neighborhood off the top of my head but there's

031a Golf Course Community um down to that's it thank you yep Old Sycamore that that's fairly close by there's a couple of newer subdivisions that are on 218 that are sort of across the street um those are I think there's a cluster neighborhood which is a 1 acre density neighborhood but um or actually that that may have been an R20 neighborhood so it it may be a a two units per acre density but it's it's clustered and then there's another one that's um just one acre lots directly across the street um there is a fairly large stream that runs through the site so you can see here there's some wetlands and flood plane associated with that stream and a couple other tributaries that that run into that um and one small area of wetlands that

032um the development team would have to take a look at um while if it was approved and they went further into the development process um otherwise there's no other major environmental features um on that on the property um the reone the the the zoning districts um currently in the area this light green is is the ra40 so that's the 1 acre um minimum lot size density the kind of this darker green and the yellow down here uh that's R a20 and R20 so those are Halfacre density um so uh one unit per half acre um so that's the density on those and then the gray areas here um the one sort of on the right hand side of your screen that's the town of Fairview so we don't we don't do their zoning but we

033want do want to note that there is a municipality close by and then to the South you see this gray area that is the town of Stallings um in terms of transportation we have a few traffic counts um from 2021 and 2017 um 218 was the 2021 that's about 9600 vehicle trips per day and milgrove Road in 2021 was about 1,00 and then Rock Hill Church Road in 2017 was, 1300 trips per day and uh see the land use map again this shows rural residential so this is the adopted 2050 um Union County comprehensive plan land use map so it does indicate that this area um would be that rural residential one unit per acre um maximum density um this is age restricted development so schools were not consulted for comments um public water is

034available at the site they would say they would tie into public water um the sewer is not available to the site so they will utilize a private engineered Community septic system for uh for sewer service um community meeting was held back in January about 55 people attended um they asked questions about process for the resoning traffic impacts um tax impacts of of the development um ask about rentals and fire response um no changes were made by the applicant based on that feedback um we have received several emails opposing or asking questions about the development um as far as Municipal feedback um we did solicit feedback from Stallings and Fairview since they are adjacent or or close very close by to the project um we did get feedback from Stallings and Fairview that that oppos the

035project um Fairview noted they had some concerns about Transportation the private septic systems and and just overall density um stylings noted that that they would prefer if this went forward that they could Annex the property as a future as future development occurs that they be able to Annex that and they also noted traffic storm water and the private Sewer Service concerns um I will note about the annexation um issue that Stallings doesn't touch this piece of property um I'll go back to this [Music] so these Parcels highlighted in Black are the are the properties that are part of the resoning and stylings is here in Gray so there's a few pieces of property that are in between this one and and the town um I did have a conversation with the town staff just to

036find out because you can do you can do satellite annexations in in North Carolina however um this would exceed the amount that they're allowed to do so it would have to touch the town of stylings for them to be able to Annex again that's just based on my conversation with with uh the town planning staff um so as far as positives negatives and recommendations um the comprehensive plan identifies this area again is rural residential um so it's recommended for low density residential and agricultural purposes and the propos use would add over 3,000 trips per day to area roads U with potential of increasing delays in in congestion at multiple area intersections um there are a few positives um the proposed use of an age restricted development would have a reduced traffic impact when you compare

037it to impacts from comparable non-age restri red um development so if this were a non-ag restricted development that the traffic impacts lower um it won't add uh students to local schools because uh students kids aren't allowed in in the development per their um uh um covenants um it is similar to some other uses in in the County's zoning jurisdiction uh that are Zone residential if you look kind of going south and and West in into the town of Stallings there are a number of um I'll call them denser neighborhoods um so it is similar to some of those um but based on on all of that information um staff recommended denial and the planning board also recommended denial when they considered this item and that was unanimous vote as well I'll be happy to answer

038any questions I know the development teams here I think they have a large number of folks that'll probably going to present um some items thank you Lee I'd like to understand how Stallings opposed this development but then wanted to Annex the development if it occurred so can you shed some light on thank you one leg in and one leg out sure and that that was probably not not worded very well um what I think what Stallings meant by that was that as development occurs in the area close to their borders they would rather they would rather Annex anything that occurs so so they could kind of control what what happened on that property so it wasn't necessarily that they I don't know that they like or dislike this development I I don't know but I

039don't think it necessarily had to do with this development I think that they just wanted to be able to Annex any development that occurred in that area um again they did note concerns over um traffic this private septic system um I believe there's another one in there but um so there's a lot of new homes that have gone up in that area um have has Stallings um inquired about annexing because there so many new beautiful homes out there or are they only interested in annexing if this development occurs I'm a little bit I'm still confused on the word oppose right um I I think the opposition came from the concerns about traffic storm water and the private Sewer Service um I think the the that's why I said this was probably not worded very well

040um I think that they would just prefer to Annex any property in the area as development occurred they would rather developers approach the town and and work with the town through their development process to Annex Comm are there any other questions yeah I just want to clarify some things so the the the statutes for how annexation Works have changed over the years and so it's significantly more difficult to Annex property once it's already developed the easiest time to Annex the property is before it's approved and before the subdivision exists because after that then all property owners have to be part of that right now there's only a handful of property owners or one but when you start subdividing and selling lots it makes it a lot more challenging so I'm assuming that that staning is

041looking at this from a standpoint of they would rather if they're going if they were going to do it they would want to do it while it's undeveloped so then they could guide that development process right and and so your question about the other homes that are out there they likely would not be able to do annexation because those Property Owners would have to agree right and that's a little more of a challenge yeah yes um Mr Jansen can we go back I believe it's the site slide that yes um let's see on 218 it's right in right out correct yes ma'am okay but on milgrove it's either direction when milgrove hits 218 is there a roundabout there now yes that I believe that's correct I can't remember because there's a bazillion roundabouts on 218

042now there's not one there there's one there is one yes I can't remember yeah yeah I can't remember okay okay yeah all right and yeah I think that um the 2021 study of um 9600 cars on that I think that's lowballing it from somebody that's not far from 218 I think that's a very low ball number are there any other questions or comments yes Mr SIDS um there's also a roundabout if you come down M Grove at lawyer Road yes okay um a private sewer system if anything would happen to that any kind of malfunction is that the County's responsibility or is that a State issue um the so there's some legislation that allows these types of of um private setic systems to to move forward um the the legis I I may have to

043defer to Jason on this but the legislation I think um basically puts the the responsibility of that septic system on the designer of that septic system so if that if it doesn't work then that Designer is responsible it puts it doesn't put any responsibility on the county or a government agency okay all right um I thought I noted in the critical intersection program another planned Improvement on 218 was that down further there yes and I'm I'm drawing a blank on the intersection there was a four-way stop at at one intersection which I believe has been implemented and I think there's another roundabout on 218 okay all right um but I don't think they're in the immediate vicinity of this right it's it's fur further east that's right yes so by right in R A40 how

044many homes would be permissible I mean you would take the total acreage multiplied by and we'll get technical here 43560 then divide it by 40,000 and and that but but you're also you have some things that have to be taken out up front so you have to take out your flood plane you don't have to take out stream buffers in this case because this is not in the 12m creek um service area so those those buffers don't count usually the flood plan's wider than the stream buffers anyway um so you have to take out the flood plane and then since this is in the rural part of the county as um described in the comprehensive plan there's also the 30% open space requirement so those have to come out and oh and um existing and

045proposed road rideway so all that comes out off the top then you take your net density do that math and then you have your your total number of lots but this is also going to be on septic or some sort of um Community septic so you you've got to take that into consideration too and you're looking at at larger lot sizes so you if it was ra40 you'd be looking at 40,000 ft lot or potentially 20,000 foot Lots if they could figure out how to Cluster it so that would be basically each house would have a septic tank potentially or I mean they could they could still use a community septic system kind of like this okay yeah all right okay thank you are there any other questions M oh yes um thank you Lee

046thank you madam chair uh just a couple questions Lee so uh the applicant here is culture correct yes sir and culture has done you know many other projects within the county yes sir so um so is this not the same applicant that also did um other projects like Heritage for example and Crest winds uh they were the applicant on on Crest winds um and I believe they were associated as well with the heritage project okay so um couple of questions number one is about storm water mitigation um obviously storm water has been a a complaint that we've received coming from Crest winds what type of mitigation is being planned here for this particular project so this will meet the 210 and 50-year storm events that's the that's the amendment that that you made a number

047of months ago y so they've agreed to to meet that requirement okay thanks sir um a couple things that stuck out to me and what you U presented tonight and also what was in our agenda packet um one of the things was that at least 80% of the units must have only one person above the age of 55 yes sir so we've got a remainder of 20% that can be of essentially any age is that correct that's correct but you said that the covenants do not allow children that that's my understanding I I would you probably want to ask that question of of the applicant when they get up all right um the other question that that I've got and maybe this is a question for the applicant as well is in our agenda packet

048one thing that stuck out to me was that it stated here in the community meeting that was held January 7th 2025 approximately 55 residents attended the meeting and they had asked about the process for resoning traffic concerns smell from septic tanks you know amongst other things that they brought have brought up um and it says here that there were uh no changes uh made based off feedback why so a lot of times during those where's that at well a lot of times during those Community meetings um the questions are answered during the community meeting so so for example um and and I don't know this for sure but um for example if you had a question about the process for the resoning um we would have had staff there beorn attended the the community meeting

049and he would have answered the the question about the process um if there were questions about traffic impacts um the applicant would generally try to answer that that question about the the the traffic impact um and they would try to explain whatever that question was you know is there going to be a full movement access on 218 well know we're going to do a right in right out um so a lot of times those questions are addressed during the community meeting um you know sometimes there are questions that that linger after a community meeting and then the applicant can choose to make a change to the site plan or or not sometimes it's feasible sometimes it's not feasible sometimes you get a a a a comment that I don't I don't want the development um

050and of course the applicant's going to say well I'm not you know I'm not going to pull my resoning application um sometimes you do get applicants that may lower density somewhat uh they may pull a few Lots out um sometimes I I believe we've had a few where some neighbors um were in opposition to a project and maybe the applicant offered um an an additional buffer between the proposed development and their house much like this the previous rezoning where you had the fence um so we've had that happen a number of times but sometimes um either the applicant can't accommodate some of those um uh comments or or or they or they don't um and and and maybe you could ask the applicant you know if we didn't notice any changes based on but maybe

051there were some subtle changes that we maybe we didn't pick up so that might be a good question for the applicant as well okay thank you Lee you're welcome okay um is the applicant here tonight they are um for the applicant I would do want to recognize them and offer them 15 minutes um if they would like to do a presentation or speak they have a presentation I'm just going to go and get it pulled up Hello thank you for having us this evening uh we do have a team my name is Emily Powell I'm with cter Holmes Jason Galloway is with us as well um and up here with me is both Jonathan Crowder with Merrick who is our planner and Kevin Presley a class 4 sewer operator um we also have our traffic

052engineer uh we have our Municipal engineer um I believe that's everybody uh on the team so we'll be uh minding our 15 minutes thank you all for having us this evening um and thank you staff we have been working uh on this since [Music] 2023 let me see if I can get this there we go so culture homes we are a private Regional company uh you can see our footprint here uh we have two crestwind communities here in Charlotte uh we have one community in the Wesley Chapel area and one community in Charlotte um crestwind is our is our branded Community age restricted uh it is our only culture homes Community here in the county so tonight we are proposing 727 homes as Lee shared uh we are age restricted and I will share exactly

053what that means um and what those requirements are as well as our HOA documents uh we will have a range of homes that size from about 1,400 Square fet to 2800 square ft we have heavily amenitized community that serves the 55 and better buyer uh and homeowner and allows them to recreate within their Community um Z there are zero children in the community I will share that as well um and this will be planned with private streets uh yard maintenance included and it is a forever home mentality our home buyers have typically purchased um one or two homes in their past and they know specifically what they're looking for um and they are looking for uh just the right fit in their in their final home from an age restricted we do follow Hud's Federal

054housing uh requirements and this is an 80% that must be 55 and older this is an anti-discrimination ruling that is federal that we must follow we cannot discriminate for people under the age of 80 to live in the home so it is something that we track it is something we have to report um federally um so it is something that is tracked and you'll see that we track that on our leases as well um and that is a condition to the zoning request that we are making this evening in our HOA documents um and and this is some of uh information that was asked at the community meeting about um Leasing and rentals which I did not have that that knowledge off the top of my head so we did share this at planning um

055on the lease say but in our HOA documents we do have requirements that a child cannot establish residency within the community and there is a restriction for the number of times and and days that they can visit within the community this is in the HOA declaration uh for any rental in the community that occurs uh a homeowner must live in the home for 18 months before they choose to lease if they were to lease um if that was to occur uh we do have a 5% cap on that um that's that's not typically what what occurs in our communities but we do cap that at 5% the board is required to review that confirm that again um we would be minding the 55 and older uh requirements and the lease has to state the 55

056and older requirements as well so our homeowners in the crestwind age restricted communities um are 55 and better um they do have a high level of of wealth and disposable income that they spend locally within the community some are working some are not um they have the flexibility to travel during a variety of times on the road verse u a more traditional family buyer uh that's that has children in the school um and is all working so you'll see that when we get to traffic numbers there's a little a little bit of a different um timing of those trips on the road they're also able to volunteer more in the community and this is our typical buyer a baby boomer um this goes to to disposable income in that bracket I'm going to keep moving

057just because we have a lot of slides and they're spending uh again that same age racket so our 727 homes that we are proposing um this would equate to a little over 19 million spent locally in goods and services um over 3 million in yearly taxes including over 300 to Fairview fire and rescue that was one thing that was asked as well in the community meeting was the fire and rescue U where it went and making sure that those folks in our community would be funding that even if they were not in the town limits um so this this was a a response to that for our transportation and we will dig in a little more at the end on uh the location of the improvements but our age our 55 and older folks do

058have the ability to adjust their trips as a result of that if you were to compare our community in the morning it would be this the morning Rush Hour which is 7 to9 it would be the same as 284 traditional homes in that morning Rush Hour time and then in the evening it would be the same as 233 uh in that same time frame from a from a school impact uh obviously we will restrict we will have no children in the school uh lee did share a little bit if we were to develop by right uh and that is our 40 uh we would cluster in that scenario and do 389 homes um based on the Census Data that is available for Union County that's just under 300 children in the school system um verse

059the zero children that we would have in the school system some Parks and Recreation data um generally the the uh senior population has a 20% usage of parks and recck this is a a general stat which would mean our community would have 247 people visiting existing Parks and Recreation however ours will actually be recreating internally within the community so that number would be lower that's not a number that I have but I just wanted to share that a traditional Community uh has a lot higher rate um less homes more people per home higher rate would equate to just under a thousand people using local parks and recreation facilities uh from an active adult um and their engagement in the community they do volunteer at a very high level um just this year uh one of

060our communities in Georgia Lake laner um celebrated they have raised over a million dollars to assist local seniors in need um in their counties uh that's both food banks um Grand grandparents assisting grandchildren um Financial grants uh it's something that started Grassroots in the community uh and and a lot of our homeowners do move in from other areas they want to establish roots in the community and they want to help others so they do have the ability to do that from uh Public Services uh you'll see from an ambulance perspective we are very similar in trips to those that are in the 18 to 44 year old category in our average homeowner is 68 years um again we're minding that 55 and older uh there is a range in the community um some awards we've

061won on lifestyle lifestyle is a huge aspect of why someone will move into our community um we are heavily amenitized in the clubhouse we have uh this E gy Equipment that is on the left we have a patent on it uh it adjusts to your body U we have traditional equipment we have pools bot pickle ball Etc but that is a a primary reason that someone is looking to move into our community here's the location with respect to the county you can see 485 and 218 where this blue star right here as Lee shared earlier uh just some general data on the state of North Carolina and housing needs moving forward there is a gap in in for sale product that is available that will be available between 2024 and 29 you can see Union

062County circled here it's about 13,000 units um below what is needed to supply uh and if you look at both for sale and Rental uh Union County ranks number nine out of 100 states in the county as the largest need for uh Supply in the state of North Carolina projected change in household uh this is households where the main owner uh homeowner is under the age of 35 Union County is actually uh the highest percent change in this category of all 100 uh counties in the state um so looking to see a lot a lot more younger households in the county um which will have school children or will soon be having school children and you can see uh future growth in the 55 and older category as well resoning plan I'm going to skip

063Lee hit it already same with conditions Jonathan you want to share a little on site plan yes uh good evening Commissioners Jonathan Crowder um I live in Charlotte North Carolina and uh with the time I will be brief in my remarks uh what i' would like to just point out here is a few things on the site plan specifically focused on the open space of the plan um this particular slide we're highlighting a couple things mainly the amenity area it's about 88.4 Acres uh that represents uh the clubhouse the pool that's highly amenitized that's a a a big part of uh why people join this neighborhood the other item to note here is that um within each block of the subdivision you know our backup Lots don't directly attach right we've got open space in

064this example 25 ft from backup lot to backup lot so we do provide additional open space in the neighborhood uh to help with the the the overall field of the neighborhood this slide shows a quick example of an amenity building the pool baji courts as everybody knows bot's uh the best sport in the world right now and so everybody wants to play and so that will be a large part of that amenity section as well uh here's again a picture from the west of Chapel uh Crest wind and so the entrance will be similar here to this example um again just kind of guard house I don't know if it was mentioned but it's a gated Community right that's a part of the information here so all the streets will be private streets this slide

065again I I'll move quickly here uh one thing was mentioned about the community the neighborhood meeting um you know we I think from a plan perspective offered a lot beyond what was required and one of those examples is the buffers we have around the site um zoning requires 10 ft uh we're showing 40 uh for most of the site um that's actually 100 ft along the street along this Edge and so we feel like we've already kind of gone there right because it's important to the neighborhood it's important to the residents uh really to go above and beyond on some of those things and I think this my last slide I'll just kind of end here for time uh just highlighting the open space again we've talked about the the stream that's there and the

066swim buffers or the buffers uh the flood planes Etc so all of that is calculated here and add it all together it's roughly 230 Acres of the site is really is set aside as open space so with that I will transition the next one thank you madam chair Commissioners and Mr Matthews Miss West good to see you uh so we got two minutes uh I can talk about Wastewater or if y'all want to ask me a question if M chair will allow and let Emily do her presentation or however you want to do it cuz I know we can't get them both done in two minutes what you see okay two minutes and then if we have questions okay all right so what I want to do is I want to deal with kind of

067the uh the thought process of what is the private Wastewater I've got one in h Bridge we all think of Wastewater as this big pool of you know the stuff and they shoot it up in the air and that are Ates and it comes back down and you got the odor and smell this is not it this is a decentralized wastewater treatment plant we actually have slides Emily you want to work this slide here work say uh everything is uh below ground uh we are actually treating the water that goes to the uh equivalent of rain water when it's dispersed out uh back up just one second our first treatment is a step tank that's at the houses which is like a traditional septic tank the solids go in it goes to a baffle and

068we're only the that's already stting this process with the microorganisms right off the bat it then goes to uh several tanks I think we've got 60,000 gallon tanks that this all this goes through the process and if you want to roll it up again and then we go through the treatment what we actually do is we take a treatment and there are some slides on here that we can show you of the actual plants and uh typically these plants are about the size of a long bed pickup about the width of it and I think we've got four of them going in for this particular buildout we actually do the ation inside these vaulted tanks and basically what that does it does its uh process in there underground uh the tanks is actually level with

069covers I know that was a big issue everybody was was thinking about odor smell uh but we have eliminated that uh we do go to a uh subsurface system that once it leaves you can see the the clarity of the water right there that actually came out of the plant that we that we went and took another visit here about 3 weeks ago uh you can see the size of the plant on the left hand side and the clarity of the water once it goes through this process and that's the way it comes out and goes to the the drain field itself um so that's uh that's basically it on our side unless you got some questions i' be glad to answer any any more uh technical part of or anything I could do okay

070thank you are there any questions anyone has okay no questions okay thank you very much thank you I'm sorry I thought you were talking specifically for Mr Presley I do have a general question um could you explain your folks past history involvement with the Heritage subdivision you didn't mention that as one of your developments in Union County were you involved in that project no uh I work with couter homes couter homes does the crestwind Branded communities we build only age restricted or age targeted communities uh we don't have a a two-story product or a town home product they're all one story um we we can do the traditional um it it would be a one story with second floor optional but we we really try and do our crn and do it well so we

071have a a community here in Union County it is crn Wesley Chapel um there are four other culture or culture companies but they are not culture homes culture homes we are here requesting the rezoning we would be the developer and we would be the Builder you're welcome um I've got actually a question for staff um how many 55 plus communities do we have here in y County yeah we we did a map but I um there have been an fcon gosh I'm probably there's there's maybe two handfuls if that many there's the one in Indian Trail yeah there's there's espan espan there's the crest Wesley Chapel there's two or three in and that's in the county there are two or three in the town of Wesley Chapel um there's I know one of those is

072a courtyard product I believe there's another Courtyard product also in County that's right and I believe there's a third one uh there's a second one up on Lawyers Road as well that's right um and then the um Encore project down on um cuers Road um so there's two on cers road one's a courtyard and and one is is an encore um project so that's I wasn't keeping count but it's probably seven seven or eight yeah and and I do have a map so I can follow up with you a little bit later and give you that exact number that would be great I will do that commissioner bin Emily the four other culture companies share common ownership yes so there are are five couter companies um we're all run separately the owner of couter homes

073does own four other couter companies okay thank you you're welcome commissioner HS thank you madam chair um Lee if you don't mind just to further comment on commissioner Helm's uh request could you circulate that to all the board members please sir y absolutely thank you any other questions no okay thank you thank you madam clerk has anyone signed up to speak at the public hearing for this matter yes okay I believe we have two bear with me I have a lot of papers here okay the first speaker is Doug Buchanan correct mam chameron board thank you for letting me speak tonight I'm duanan I live at 5113 Heritage View Road I'm a res pres of Union County I live in the town of Fairview quick background I have a Bachelor of Science of engineering from

074UNCC where I majored and minored in civil engineering so I've had just a brief opportunity to look at the information itself and just some unusual things sort of pop up one of them I think is because I am the engineering background I look at the radius for a culac when I asked to the public meetings said beat the standard made me go and investigate a little bit more the best I could tell from the PDF the radius for that CAC is 25 ft now I believe the county standards is 53 ft which agrees with the federal guidelines for transportation itself so that seems a little too small to me for the fire truck and mercy Vehicles also dump trucks has always tearing up everything itself I appreciate the explanation on the Wastewater cuz that was

075a lot more information was given at the public meeting itself going through the Transportation uh study one of the things that really stood out it STS out even more tonight to me is the transportation study did not account for the 20% of people that's going to be in the subdivision that is less than 55 years old now those are going to probably generate uh trips that they're not really accounting for now if you look at table 5.1 and you start looking at there it's a peak hourly flow Vehicles itself that represents 16% of the population of the houses in this it's not even 20% and I don't know about you I know most uh people that are 55 and older to 65 they're still working unless they're got a lot more money than I do

076cuz I'm still working myself so that that you know I feel like the numbers in this is skewed they were talking about trip generations of being 3,000 trips per per 24 hours there again everybody I know there 55 and older they don't go out at midnight go clubbing I don't know everybody but there could be some so I think my gut feeling because I'm running out time is at the traffic study is skewed and it doesn't really represent the full thing of everything that's going out there it represents 1% increase until 2033 I asked about that subdivisions that's under construction they say it's in the 1% this subdivision is within 1% that feels I don't have actual numbers on that but all that construction feels like it's going be greater than 1% that's my time

077okay thank you Ken worthy thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight my name is Ken worthy I have lived in Union County for over 30 years and right next to this site the whole time it is a beautiful area it is rural and agricultural something I understand you all support from reading your information on the internet so the zoning has been declined by the planning board and the Union County or the zoning staff and the planning board and it the cities around it have also declined it um so if I can summarize some of the issues I've seen in this development what I've been involved in in the groups or the meetings uh it's not part of or it doesn't fit your 2025 plan it calls for 1 acre lots in this area the

078high density opens the door for further high density development in the area which I again don't think would be good for that area the area isn't able to handle the development until sewer will be added one day the 1 acre per home is also recognition of how badly this part of the county does not perk there is a cost to serve that will be affected in this area maybe not specifically by Union County but some would some of it would NC doot maintains the road m grve road is in horrible shape apape it has potholes everywhere flooding on a regular basis and deterioration on the edges due to the flooding and the poor maintenance in that area um NC do has pushed back the repaving of mil Grove Road multiple times now although they say

079it's on the schedule for 20126 I highly doubt it heavy construction traffic Vehicles will destroy the current deteriorating Road milgrove Road Lane size is 9 ft I've measured it a standard dump truck is over 9t wide so we already have a hard time passing these vehicles as we're traveling on the road it would be an additional problem the future of a 55 and over communities are also questionable for at some point the Baby Boomers are going to be gone and they're going to have to convert these communities to something else and at that point they're going to become first home buyers small families who will then impact these communities in the schools and other areas otherwise the 55 and older will impact fire and medical services right now although I understand they do have money

080that will be helping them in that the shared septic system that's being uh brought out is going to beeld or will be responsible by Coulter uh and they will be uh leaving that system to the HOA while Coulter has it it will be we have been told inspected 5 days a week it's being developed with a backup system in place I'm really concerned about an HOA managing this in the future and that they would keep that up in addition to that it also makes me wonder why they need a backup system and inspections 5 days a week for a system that's supposed to not need anything there will be other environmental p uh impacts the shared system could lead to flooding impacting local Wildlife as well as water resources and again we should wait for

081sewer development cter has also had some issues with the planning there are only two entrance and and exits for 727 homes two access points that's for over 1,400 people the 28 the 218 point if you're familiar with 218 it's on an uphill the right turn would be uphill on a 55 mph Road in a curve my request is that you please stay with the 2050 plan stay with one home per acre in this area and again not allow this to go through in a resoning change thank you very thank [Applause] you are there any speakers who have not signed up that wish to speak I'll start with you sir if um or you can speak for him I'll do that um my name is Richard Martin is um long time resident second time speaker ever

082um I'm going to live directly across from this development and initially when I first heard about it I was I was opposed to it in fact I think many of the people that were here in the first meeting I was the loudest one I probably asked more questions than everybody combined um and as a result a lot of the comments that the culture people presented there were some of my things like I was concerned about ly and I was concerned of what's the turnover going to be for all of this and in doing my research and looking at this and listening to a lot of the comments I've changed my mind I actually think that this is going to be a a good development for our environment or for our community I'm going to be

083this is my final home that I'm going to live in this is it for me um so I'm very careful about what's going to be there and that's one of my concerns is I have an opportunity to decide or at least lend voice what what's going to be next to me or directly across the street from me um and I'm I'm very concerned about what could happen if this does not happen uh I see a number of other types of uh land that's being paved over and they're driving 18 wheelers on there and they're parking them overnight and they're charging them for that and that's one of my concerns in fact one of the requests before this request uh that came before you was a storage unit I don't want a storage unit anywhere near

084where I live um my concern is that this land is going to be developed it anyway no matter what happens here it's going to be developed sooner or later I have an opportunity now to voice what I'd like to have there and honestly i' look at benefits I'm a very practical person I'm an A logical person and I look at this and I see this is actually going to be a benefit to to me directly but to my community as well it's a clean environment I had the opportunity to drive down to the crestwind and look at that environment I was very pleased everything was clean it was man very well manicured I didn't see people racing up and down the streets much like I see now on on U mil Grove as well as

085Rock Hill Church Road I see tire marks and that's a result of people having kids that are just or even adults that haven't grown up yet that are driving around like that and I I don't want that in my neighborhood um I'm also concerned about them piecing this into individual lots and then turning you know people putting trailer parks on there or you know building individual homes that don't meet any real standard um I see this as an opportunity a benefit to to all of us not only from from what we get to see but also from a tax base I'm not worried about the traffic the traffic is going to happen no matter what but I look at the benefit of the tax base and how that's going to lessen the burden on me

086we're looking at homes that are $600,000 that's going to add to the tax base which is going to lessen the chance that you're going to raise taxes on me because if something has to be built now we've got more people to spread the load on and that's just practical I'm I'm looking at it that way I think it's important that we look at this open-mindedly and not worry too much about emotion and worry about what's going to happen on the roads it's going to happen anyway it's going to happen so again thank you so much for listening to [Music] me good evening my name is John Linton senior I'm a Union County resident and I live in Fairview I believe there were actually two meetings that were held not one which residents were not in

087favor of the development but I would note I thought the developer did an excellent job in the presentation and the other public officials were did also did a great job at the meetings at the second meeting which was held here uh the officials did indicate their recommendation was to deny the application I heard an attendee say was I was sitting in this room the request appeared to be asking to fit a square peg into a round hole living in the area and traveling these adjoining roads daily I believe the traffic assumptions are significantly um un underrated uh the the um assumptions were 3 to four years old it's terribly congested right now and this is a huge Development coming into the rural scene and the capacity today uh is it be considered for the other

088public services for these 700 people the CVS's the other kind of things for those kind of people which is again going to be bringing in more more traffic um I don't think that um we mentioned about the 500 jobs that are going to be created through this which is more traffic as all those trucks as one gentleman said the big trucks coming in we didn't mention about all of the services the Amazon trucks all these kind of trucks and services for these 700 people is significant if you ride on these roads today they're in bad shape they're extremely congested coming off of Noah Helms Road onto those people will not be able to make that turn with this additional traffic and this is going to go on for nine years this this building will go

089on for 9 years uh for this uh additional traffic that's going to be coming coming through and it's it's already it's already congested uh today and I think um as you said the one gentleman said about the plan again I do think a good description of this is the Builder did a great job um very professional but it is um in my opinion living right there it's like a square peg in a round hole so thank you very much we have one more speaker I'll be brief thank you for letting me speak um yeah thanks my biggest concern is I live on Russell Road and there I'm sorry sir could you introduce yourself Carpenter okay and I live on Russell Road and there is a retired couple that lives about 200 yards away and their

090septic tank is on their property their leech field is up kind of near the front of mine it's just two people retired and when it's been moist or rainy or whatever we can actually smell that um so my biggest concern is this 720 homes and all their liquids and you know the the septic system that they're proposing at the end of our road do we have guarantees that it's we're not going to smell anything so that that's really just my main concern because it's it'll devalue our properties and everything else okay if it does thank you very much thank you do we have any other speakers that did not sign up that wish to speak on this hearing yes I've spoke in that but can I speak on just personal behalf yes you may I'll

091be real quick uh some of the gentlemen the gentleman that spoke about it I'm Kevin Presley H Bridge y know who I am um we have actual data with our traffic impact analysis that was requested to be done by Union County versus 2017 versus 2019 so we have our analysis person here that can give you today information um and and and I I you know just a couple things I want to say that uh that's how you get Road improvements that's how you just because I've served on mpo you guys have and then when these when these roads are being used more that's how you get the money to do it is they come in and they paid the roads because they're being used uh I we on this traffic study and bjor will tell

092you you know I know he's out tonight but there's not even a place and I agree thatth there you know that we have narrow roads but again uh and I don't know where the gentleman got the 9-ft dump truck I have dump trucks and mine's not 9 foot I I I don't know where he got that information but uh but we're giving you factual information that we have that your staff requested for us and we have the data that that is up to dat and spent a lot of money the the the study on the uh septic system is $150,000 just for that study to be able to be able to put that wastewater treatment plan in so there's a lot of things that are being kind of generalized like there's not going to be

093any baby boomers after these these after I guess there's nobody else going to be baby boomers these other generation I don't know what's going to happen to them but this is a continuing thing that we've showed you that the data that this is going to be needed and that's going to increase so all I was just asking us tonight is I know that emotions get in into play but your staff has asked us to give information and we have done that and I just want to make sure that you guys know that we have done what you requested instead of a generality with emotions behind it thank you are there any more speakers that did not sign up to speak I will now close the public hearing well I just have a question yes um

094Mr Jensen the uh culture folks made a um statement of by right there would be 389 homes could you verify that for our next meeting when this is under consideration yes sir I just want to know what the Alternatives if this community if this request is declined what is the what are the potential consequences of a byright residential construction in this on this land yes sir I can I can do that understand that there will be some estimating involved but I can get I can get you close okay and I think it was in the presentation as well because they it offered up that you know those those single family homes would generate you know X number of students in the schools I I just like staff to verify the numbers CER folks gave out

095gotcha okay okay I will now close the public hearing the next public hearing is item 25- 096 concerning a step two Economic Development incentive Grant and in an amount not to exceed 133,000 um everyone if you could please um um we are conducting a meeting if you could please not talk so that we can continue thank you so much I'm going to start over the next public hearing is item 25-0 96 concerning a step two Economic Development incentive Grant in an amount not to exceed $133,000 over a 5-year period to Southern electrical equipment company incorporated project homecoming I will open the public hearing and recognize Ron Mel our economic development director for comments thank you madam chair Commissioners manager Matthews it's my pleasure to bring before you tonight an economic development incentive Grant request by

096Southern electric Southern electrical equipment company incorporated otherwise referred to as project homecoming again Southern electrical equipment company or SEO is a manufacturer of transmission and substation equipment used in the electric utility industry SEO has been in business for 105 years the company is headquartered in mecklinburg County where they employ 82 people and they have a satellite facility here in Union County in the Old Hickory Business Park in uh Indian Trail where they have 28 employees their goal is to consolidate all business operations to Union County uh to accomplish that goal SEO is considering the following the purchase and upfit of an existing 109,000 Square ft bill building on 15 acres of land located at 4862 Corporate Center Drive in Monroe anticipated capital investment is approximately $7 million which breaks out as $5 million of upfit

097to the building and $2 million in new production equipment a consolidation onto Corporate Center Drive would be a net gain of 82 new jobs to Union County and these positions pay an average ual wage of approximately $64,000 a year the company has indicated that incentives are a very important factor for the project therefore tonight we're requesting your consideration of a step two Economic Development incentive Grant in an amount not to exceed $133,000 paid over five years beginning in fiscal year 20127 the grant will be based upon the Union County tax offices appraise value each year on the company's anticipated investment of $7 million in the building upfit and new production equipment based on this investment and holding all other factors constant including depreciation the company would pay estimated adoram taxes on that new taxable investment

098of $25,800 over that same 5-year Grant period of course actual tax revenue to Union County will be based on the the current tax rate applied to the assessed value of the investment each year therefore the Union County Department of Economic Development I like saying that recommends the award of this step two performance-based Economic Development incentive Grant to Southern electrical equipment company in an amount not to exceed $133,000 to help secure not only this $7 million investment but the related jobs at this time it's my pleasure to recognize Andrew panto and his wife Christie uh Andrew is CEO and owner and Christie is director of special projects and they're available to answer any questions if you may have on the project as am I with that thank you first welcome is there anything you'd like to

099share with us well just that um we are um again we are we're Union County residents ourselves um we are actually in in Marvin North Carolina um our kids have been through Kata um um you know Marvin um and uh our company was actually established in 1920 and U we've been in Charlotte that whole time we started um you know in um near where they're doing a lot of development off South Boulevard and um we've been in our current location since about 1948 or 1950 and um we've just expanded to the point where we can no longer fit in that area um meinberg County and Charlotte is is kind of in this mode of building a lot of Condominiums and micr breweries so basically the whole area is kind of um changing away from the

100environment um that we are accustomed to over the years um um I've been involved in the company since 1994 and um I've grown the company quite a bit and I continue to to my desire is to continue to do so um I've got um right now I've got two children that are involved in the business I call them children but they're they're older um so uh we're preparing you know the company for the next level of growth um we uh basically our customers are not um local I mean some of them are but um for the most part um our customers are um utilities throughout the United States and overseas we do a lot of work in South America Central America um we've um just recently shipped some equipment down to austral austalia uh we

101do a lot in Canada um just all over wherever wherever there's a a tap and a tie Point basically is where we we do what we do um we are a clean manufacturer we you know we um we're just um it's kind of a nice environment in terms of bringing money into an area U because again um we are we are not a you know a local Service Company we're actually bringing we're manufacturer we're bringing money into the area so we appreciate your time yeah and um any questions for me any question thank you thank you for being here oh thank you thank you madam clerk has anyone signed up to speak at the public hearing for this matter okay we have no speakers from the public who signed up for this hearing are there

102any speakers that would that did not sign up that would like to speak on on this matter okay I will now close the public hearing the next item on the agenda is item 25- 092 special recognition Union County water safety awards I want to recognize Michael far risk and safety program manager for this item hi Mike good evening Madam chair Commissioners Union County management team uh my name is Mike Ferrar and I serve as the risk and safety program manager here with Union County tonight we would like to recognize Union County water for receiving the Walter J Corman safety award and George W Burke safety awards each year North Carolina W water honors Municipal Water and Wastewater facilities that have maintained an outstanding safety record the previous calendar year including consistent collection and reporting of

103injury data Union County water is proud to receive both Awards this year why are these Awards so important what do they mean how how are they earned um I know those are really important questions Union County water has been a leader among North Carolina utilities for over 12 years with a dedicated on staff Safety Professional and in-house training programs these programs cover a broad range of safety topics including lockout tagout work Zone safety confined space entry and 19 other safety industry specific subjects every employee in yion County Water receives an initial position specific training safety equipment PE and ongoing certifications for all Associated risks with 172 employees the safety program meets over 680 annual training needs and manages 185 safety safety related certifications Additionally the organization has well establish emergency action plans reporting systems incident

104investigation protocols job site in inspections and risk assessment programs so Union County water doesn't just do safety well they have established and built a safety culture I'd also like to thank County Manager Brian Matthews assistant County Manager Clayton vorer Deputy County manager Patrick Nyland water administrator hung Y water directors Aubrey Lofton Amy mcll John shac and Chris Clark for reinforcing the safety culture and enabling staff to develop this very important program I'd like to end by quoting Union County Waters own Julian call at Union County water safety is more than just training inspections and Reporting it is a core value that defines the workplace culture the safety program continuously Works to protect the most valuable asset which are the employees if we could have a hung Julian and Chris come forward com get a picture

105up to the front I you try [Applause] I know just start steing back like churchs good St up she was trying to she it's so nice to have our employees here and the important work that you do and congratulations on a job well done much appreciated it is now time for consideration of the agenda and consent agenda are there any motions regarding requests revisions or amendments to either the consent agenda or the business agenda mam chair yes I'll make the motion that we approve the consent agenda as published okay all those in favor say I I thank you very much we are now at the business portion of the agenda the first item on the business agenda is 25- 097 consider a step two Economic Development incentive Grant in the amount not to exceed $133,000

106over a 5-year period to Southern electrical equipment company incorporated also known as project homecoming I will recognize Ron Mel and he likes to hear this economic development director for Union County again Madam chair thank you again I'll available for any questions you may have okay are there any questions for Ron M Madam chair more of a comment it's not really a question um you know first of all thank you sir for being here um very impressive that your your company has been in business since 1920 um you know I've certainly got an appreciation for that and and again thank you for being here Ron uh thank you to your to you and your team too because you guys have been working really hard to bring us opportunities you know like this and and uh and

107I can assure you that we're just as proud of of you guys as what you may be proud U to work for the county so so again thank you for all of your efforts thank you thank you and I I really have to mention Rachel Holzman my assistant director and Megan Gibson our business manager so thank you sure Madam chair yes um Madam chair I'll make the motion that um that we approve uh the action requested um and award a step two economic uh development incentive Grant in an amount not to exceed 133,000 over a 5year period and two authorize the county manager to negotiate and execute an agreement substantially consistent with this agenda item okay any questions comments all those in favor of the motion say I I I okay next on our agenda

108is item 25-13 jail discussion I will recognize our County Manager Brion Matthews concerning this item thank you very much uh Madam chair and members of the board um this is a request the board had some additional information that you wanted to receive related to the jail study and the decision on on how to move forward with this particular item um one of the things that you asked for is sort of a timeline for how we got to where we are uh this is a long timeline this thing started a long time ago and and so I'm going to try and and get as much of that in as possible um it really started in 1990 when there was a a complaint that was filed related to the conditions of the jail now it was Rel

109it was more than just um that it was overcrowding in the jail there were other things related to that but there was a complaint file ultimately in 199 2 there was an actually consent order issued by the courts saying that we must build a new jail and as you can see that jail opened in 19 1994 that was fast you don't usually build things that quick but uh we did and we were able to get that open in late 1994 and and the jail um has been what we operate since then you fast forward to 2004 you had a situation where the jail population actually exceeded its rated capacity now you notice that shows 240 the jail actually holds 264 beds I believe but there's a rated capacity that's based on um you have classifications

110of inmates male female known associates violent nonviolent and you put all that together and then you have a rated capacity and that's where the 240 comes from and so back in 2004 it exceeded that number number um board said well you know we need to talk about and how we plan for jail expansion and and renovation so in 2005 they actually uh contracted for a jail study to evaluate what did they need in the future and some master planning for that um in 2006 that study was presented to the board and there was shown at that time a need for 581 beds that would be as of 20 25 me we're in 2025 now there were some options presented uh one for 730 bed facility 995 million and then a 580 bed facility for 73

111million in 2006 later that um that year actually very just not even a month away uh the board then approved a capital Improvement program that had three phases uh of a plan to ultimately consider building a jail uh first phase was design plans then the second phase would be actual construction drawings and bidding third phase would be construction Administration the board set aside funds specifically for phase one that was a rough a little over 1.5 million um they did not set aside funds for phase two or phase three we did actually spend 1.4 million a little over that for the the uh design and that was then um again evaluated later in 2007 and unfortunately about that time is when we started hitting the financial crisis and things started to slow down and the board

112really put a hold on any future discussions because of the the fact that you know things had really slowed down in that 20072 2008 time frame 2009 comes around and now the jail population again is exceeding the rated capacity over 240 um they did evaluate using a facility that used to be an Old State Prison in Monroe um that was uh determined that significant cost you could generate about 80 additional inmates uh but the board did not move forward with that particular um idea because I guess they felt it was not it was not suitable for what we needed in 2010 the board actually decided that they should update the study uh obviously it started in 2005 so a number of years had gone by they had did a contract for that uh late 2010

113the study came back and it showed a bed need of a little over 500 um for 500 inmates um no board action was taken at that time again later in 2010 the board did put aside some funds for a design contract for ultimately a jail construction um they directed that that be uh essentially 448 total beds with a total of 224 uh in in the beginning there was no discussion of a 911 center now I do want to point out that when there was a discussion about jail it actually included a sheriff's Administration office with that so it would be just a jail it would be the jail as well as a sheriff's Administration office all together those were all discussions all along um 2011 uh the board uh considered a public private partnership that

114never went anywhere um I'm not saying you can't find people were're willing to privately help you fund a jail but it it's never actually materialized so nothing happened for that and then later on in 2011 the board uh with a presentation from uh some from the design team looked at a possible five phase plan and you can see that actually goes up to um almost 1800 a little over 1,800 beds if you went the full five phases as well as the um as well as that plan would be again there was no funding set aside for that it was not determined that it would be constructed and then you see a big gap between 2011 and 2019 and and part of that is that during that time frame there was a lot of discussion on

115you know how do we move forward there were several bond referendums that took place I'll show that in just a minute to kind of show you how that broke down and ultimately there was a decision to separate the Sheriff's Office the administrative portion of it and the jail and then go out to a general obligation Bond referendum for the Sheriff's Office and a 911 Center the jail was not included in that um that General obligation Bond voting referendum it was just a office and a 911 Center there were a few other bonds that were on there and I'll show those in a minute but they were separated I want to make that clear um in 2019 we also did a structural analysis U of the Sheriff's Office portion of the facility not the jail but

116the actual Sheriff's Office portion it was determined that there was some structural issues there and and ultimately no work was done to correct that but they did find there was some settlement there was poor soil compaction uh the engineer estimated the cost but we never moved forward with any real um work to be done on that on that issue in 2020 again we started talking about a master plan for the Sheriff's Office what do we do obviously there are some needs for a jail facility that one was actually proposed at that time for a two-phase plan one uh ultimately 600 beds would be the ultimate buildout phase one would be 376 and then phase two would would add 224 to add it to bring it up to a total of 600 you can see those

117cost estimates a little over $90 million for the phase one and almost $35 million for phase two they updated that in 2022 those cost those cost went up to 93 million and then 37 million or a little over 37 million and then the discussion continued on until 2024 when we brought brought to the board some poent potential options for you to consider and that's where you see and I think the chair has brought this up on a number of occasions the 400600 500 600 and 600600 options with estimated cost for that there was some funding set aside in 2024 to help with Advanced planning for that that a little over um almost $2.4 million and then as of today we have updated those uh jail funding uh and estimates to show you that if you

118did a 400 800 bed roughly 123 million and a 600800 bed that would be um 150 million actually I believe that it's 400600 not 400 800 but anyway um that's the timeline for the actual jail discussion I told you there was some information about bonds just just want to talk about that for just a minute there are a number of bonds been done over the last few years since 2016 there was the Southwest Regional Library as well as the South pedmont Community College facility both were approved at that time frame then in 2016 you also had a school bond a number of of schools on that particular Bond as well as a bus garage that passed as well also in 2018 there was a um 4 Pavilion that did not pass that is now known

119as The Simpson Event Center uh that was a roughly almost uh $9.8 million facility it did not ultimately get built at $9.8 million the total cost of that was about $2.8 million but it was scaled down and built with cash funds so the voters voted to not approve the project it got scaled back as far as uh what it was and cash was used to actually pay to build those that facility then you had also as I mentioned the 911 Center and the Union County Sheriff's Office admin portion was on a bond referendum in that same time which did pass fast forward to 2022 you had a um Union County Public Schools Bond and the South pedmont Bond both pass passed and then lastly in 2024 another Union County Public Schools bond which also passed

120that's the history of of the bonds portion of of the of what we've done over the last few years we have tried to update some of those numbers just to give you an idea these are estimates now these are not bid prices the are just based on uh construction data that we have if the board were to consider a 400 uh bid in mate facility with a 600 bed core uh in 2026 that would be a little over roughly 110 million 2028 114 2030 120 if you had a 50 bed inmate facility with a 600 bed core again 1259 almost 126 130 137 and ultimately a 60 bed inmate facility with a 60 bed core and and you can see those prices um understand that um it would be the staff's recommendation that if the

121board were to consider doing anything we actually have the facility designed so that the core could be expanded so not just have a 600 bed core but it could be expanded to a larger core in the future so then you could add additional inmate beds at some point in time in the future we think that that's a better use of the of the um of our funds and of the property there is a request that the board consider uh at least advancing the study that is remaining on the jail there's a second part of it and that really is to uh evaluate operational modeling and the Staffing cost this is not asking the board to make a decision that you're going to build it or how you fund building that that will have to come

122and that will have to come relatively quickly because in in building the manager's budget I will need to know in the next couple of months do you want to build it if you do want to build it how do you want to fund it and ultimately how is that built into the budget but that discussion does not have to happen tonight this is really about the board giving us some direction on completing phase two of the jail study um I am recommending that you consider a 500 bed inmate facility with a 600 bed core ultimately to be expanded at some point in time that expansion is really up in the air is that 800 is that a th000 that doesn't have to be decided but I think you at least need to give us some

123bookend some parameters if you want to move forward so that the consultant can then finish this study I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have on this item yes I'm Bor do you have any questions from the presentation yes Mr sides um Brian when we say expanded expandable MH and I know it's until you get to the design you're not going to know for sure but what would be your best estimate how far a facility of say 600 bed 600 core right now how far could you expand it could you double it in size in theory is that a little bit too much to expect as far as expansion goes that's a good question and I don't I don't have a a definitive answer it would be my guess honestly that at a

124minimum we would want to be able to expand it to up to 800 I think a th000 is probably a good number but I'd say at a minimum we want to be able to design it to go up to an 800 that's just my opinion we don't have any data at this point in time that would that would off the cuff that's what I'd say and correct me if I'm wrong but in whatever manner it's decided either limited obligation bonds or general obligation bonds before the voters that is a 20-year payoff correct that that would be correct yes okay thank you madam chair yes commissioner HMS thank you madam chair um Brian Ju Just a real quick a quick question if you could go back to the um the slide there with the bonds so

125the November 6 2018 Bond uh where we've got the uh 911 Center and then the sheriff's uh office Administrative Building yes sir um did I hear you correctly that at one point in time that the jail was considered as a part of a greater package for both the 911 Center and the administrative building yeah so at originally when they were looking at this I think back in 2005 it was anticipated it would be a bined facility Sheriff's Office administrative portion Jail uh which is what it is now you look at what we currently have we have administrative office and then you have basically a walkway that leads to the jail portion of that so I I think the goal was to have both originally so you obviously I mean no no member of this board

126has been on the board uh or was on the board in 2018 and uh and for the record I I think that your timeline is great because I mean it it goes to show you just how much work um has gone into this uh by a number of different boards not only this board but others as well um but my question is is and maybe you know the answer maybe you don't but I'm going to pose a question anyway why was the jail facility left off of this plan um was there I mean was there a specific reason as to why we deviated from that plan there to include the jail facility because you know just from the outside looking in not being on that board at that at that time I would think that

127the inclusion of a jail facility along with the 911 Center and then the administrative building would have been more um cost effective in the long run I I wish I had an answer for you I I don't I don't know the mind set of the board or the staff at that time Sheriff may have an answer to that thank you Sheriff I was around back then the thinking was when that plan come out was to take the jail as it set and make it the face build it in front of the building that's there now and make the face right there entrance to the jail entrance to the office on press bro then you if you're looking at the old jail if you turn to the left phases of it going right up that hill

128what happened is as you can see nothing happened the jail portion of it and the office started falling in so they couldn't use that old portion as a jail anymore I mean to we with don't need to be using it but that floor in the office building dropped about 6 to 8 in that's where you saw the ARP organization come in and their only answer was to put very expensive hydraulic pylons I think every 4 feet and I don't want to be sure but it's 4 feet I think all the way around that facility real expensive but that was their only answer they had to go 18 ft to hit Solid Ground that's what the jail office was built on so then the thinking switched to build an office and get us out of there

129before somebody got hurt so that's what happened any more um actually I've got one other question thank you go ahead thank you Sheriff um so in regards to the existing jail that we've got currently and this is also a question to staff too you know one of the things we talked about in our retreat was whether or not there was anything at all even on a small scale that was going to be salvageable out of that building um have we do we have any information I I know that you know we're looking at scope of a new jail but just to follow up on that conversation do we have any sort of info on that at this point we have not been able to evaluate that um I I will tell you that I I

130think it is possible um for us to use a portion of that now I'm going to caution that by telling you that I don't think that it is something that should be used regularly and all the time I think that if we were able to use a small portion of it it might be treated like an Annex where you you got a situation you need to do something with a handful of at for a short period of time that might be AC acceptable now we haven't evaluated that we obviously want to look at that but off the top of my head I would say that would probably be the best use of that facility for a very short temporary time with a small number of inmates that's just my my opinion I don't have any

131data to go with that right now just to give you a little more information on the old office portion of it we now use it for training and some of the jail stuff staff offices in there but the bathrooms falling in so it's not going to be able to keep going we've got training facility in there we've got CrossFit we've got uh place we have some a little Wards Place back there and a lot of we're trying to get our best use out of that old building that we can but it's it's going to fall in thank you Sher all right oh commissioner bam yes ma'am yes ma'am um uh Sheriff Kathy are the soils settling under the complete structure they are it and when he talks about the small portion of that jail there's

132a big portion of that property behind the jail is in the flood zone so you can't do anything with it and that's not the County's fault to be honest with you because they moved the flood zone once the jail was built so the back portion of it is close to being not in the flood zone but it's close to it's the close you can't add to it the building part is sinking the plumbing that's they laid the plumbing on the ground MH it's deteriorating now we're having to go in and redo that plumbing dig it out which is an expensive project and dig it out and then replace it overhead the same way so there's a portion of that jail that we could could save for a while but it's going to come with a

133expensive cost to to change it over thank you more questions okay I have a question commissioner sides uh sheriff and this may have been asked before yeah you stay up there too you don't get it okay yeah uh if now we know that a timeline if we decided today which we're not but if we decided today to build a new new jail whatever we're looking at at least a year for design and three years for construction is that right we we would estimate in about four years you could have a facility open which means about five well we'll give ourselves a little Factor okay I'm going to ask you a what if Sheriff if you had if there was a new jail built today how many beds could you fill up today uh probably there's

134uh 290 something down there today uh we've got eight in cabis County uh I think uh eight in Raleigh uh we got inmates to in Stanley so we'd be at 3 25 today if we had all our inmates gathered in we've got people out on rits and all kinds of things so we'd be uh if it was it was open today and we had all our inmates back in that we've got farmed out we probably be around 320 now does that take in that does not take into account any special accommodations that have been made by the DA's office or the court system or what have you because of our restrictions correct like maybe weekenders are kind of given special consideration and you know so there there have been some adjustments that have been made

135in the legal system to they help with our problem they have and so that with all that okay so that doesn't take that into account that's with all the accommodations the two Das that are up there that's supposed to leave work in our jail okay and they get out get them out as quick as they can okay thank you okay any more questions thank you okay thank you very much commissioner HMS yeah sorry uh this is a question for staff so U Brian let me ask you this um you know I see the the recommended action here of 500 bed 600 core listen I'm in complete agreement that you know if we go down this road here that the core has got to be expandable and that's really the key you know this whole thing

136because we're currently in a situation where you know we've got a jail that's 30 years old but I mean we were looking at um a jail expansion 10 years into it its existence and we've kind of we kind of like landlocked ourselves in there for a variety of reasons whether it was a flow plane or just the overall design of the building um uh and so I I think that you know as a board and I know I don't speak for the board but what I'll say is I think that the general consensus you know should be or would be that that we don't want to put ourselves back in that sit that same situation and and repeat the uh the mistakes of the past and so I'm I'm in complete agreement with you that

137we have to have that expandable core um in whatever it is that we do but let me ask this as far as um you know approving one option or the other and and obviously this is for a financial assessment so it's not a um blanket approval right and and uh this would just essentially narrow down the scope so that so that the consultant could bring back operational numbers and maybe revive Capital cost and Staffing as well correct yeah so so would it be possible then for us to request two options certainly of the consultant um because you know as I look at the numbers I kind of fall more towards like 425 450 is sort of in between those two and so personally I would like to see maybe the consultant bring back you know

138a 400 600 okay as as well as the 500 600 and I'm just asking if that's an option as you know it um with what the consultant can provide us I I believe they can and and and we will certainly you know have that conversation with them um you know ultimately what we're trying to do here is is again get operational modeling and Staffing so I I don't think that's an exercise that that that that is that difficult obviously the the Staffing side of it is going to be um scaled you're not going to staff a 500 bed facility day one you're going to staff it for your needs to begin with and that may only be 400 to begin with and then scale back up to 500 so it's really going to depend on

139you know how they're looking at the scaling side of it so I think that's certainly doable and we'll be happy to to to get that um going as soon as possible if the board makes that decision tonight um I'm going to take a little contrarian view from that and um if we're looking at best case scenario according to the sheriff we're looking at 350 375 if we had to jail today which we won't for four to five years perhaps even longer depending on other financing using general obligation so I'm going to say even if it opened in four or five years we could be closer to pushing to 400 um I think it's more appropriate because I would like to at least have the jail last at least 10 years before somebody has to start

140adding on to it I think 600 beds 600 cores more appropriate I think again we can sit here and speculate all day long on what it would be I don't disagree that It ultimately could be needed for that um there's a price tag the board's got to feel comfortable about the price tag um and and so I I'm here I've given you a recommendation that doesn't mean that it can't be adjusted this is just a staff recommendation I think we're looking at what already exist in the area 500 beds seems to be similar to what's already existing by some of the other um in institutions and other counties that are out there um and so we thought that was a good starting place and that's where we came up with that number I thought cabis

141was 600 it I'm you know as a whole if you look at them and you average it it's probably close to the 500 range that's now there's some there's going to be more but that was just our you know our thought on that commissioner HMS yeah just just a um a real quick comment so you know obviously we we've looked at comparison information and I understand what commissioner s is saying um but you know at the same time a lot of the comparison information that we've looked at doesn't necessarily take into account um the specifics of Union County um so again you know some of these other counties that we've compared ourselves to well they're going to have um you larger urban areas uh they're going to have different um you know trends at play

142that doesn't necessarily match up exactly with Union County we're taking our best guess here I certainly um appreciated the comparison there with Johnston because I think that that's a very comparable estimate and just going off the top of my head here memory but I want to say that their their bed count was somewhere in the neighborhood of like 460 um you talking about current use currently yes currently and and so I think that there's a lot of factors there at play that can influence you know ultimately what we see um I favor a more conservative approach uh four five something like that and that's why I suggested that we look at both um because ultimately you know the last thing that we want to do we don't want to build a building just to build

143a building okay we want to build a building that services our needs certainly and that can be expanded but you know if if we don't have the if if we don't have the inmates coming in then we're essentially building a building we're wasting taxpayer money and so I would prefer to take a more conservative approach with the ability to expand the core and I think that that's the key you know we can get hung up on bed count but I think the absolute most important aspect of this this is the expandable core and the design in which we do it so yep commissioner HS Madam chair I'd like to make a motion that we approve option two the 500 600 core to complete the consultant's work for the jail study which includes the operational cost

144okay can you tell me one more time what what size you said the 500 600 500 600 okay okay any comment comments or questions to the motion Madam chair yes can can I make a friendly Amendment at that and that um we also um approve or request um the same information for a 4006 600 absolutely so we we include both of those yes sir okay you accept that friendly Amendment yes sir yes ma'am okay any other questions or comments um to the amended motion all those in favor of the motion say I I I all those opposed no okay thank you very much thank you I will now recognize the County Manager for comments um I I did want to just say thank you to all the staff and you know congratulate Union County water

145on their um their their award their safety award um they do a really great job at that and and also Mike Ferrara is is a is a key to making sure that um that we do get those Awards and that we are safe here so I want to say thank you and other than that have a good night thank you very much I am going to start with commissioner comments U Mr balam thank you no no real comment tonight just encourage everyone to be careful going home okay commissioner Helms thank you madam chair um i' first like to recognize um representative ARP and Willis for bringing forward uh House Bill 170 which removes Union County from the downsizing bill um discussed earlier and approved earlier this year um I'd also like to thank um judge

146Aaron hux for the additional information in regards to the judges and I'm appealing to our state reps to find uh find additional funding to um increase our judges one possibly two hopefully to alleviate um additional issues at the judges at the excuse me at the courthouse and to alleviate issues at our jail so thank you very much thank you I also want to uh thank our uh state representatives ARP and Willis um I had the opportunity to speak to him this weekend uh to thank him for um doing that local bill for us to address um Bill 382 for down zoning to um remove Union County from that I think um they they heard from us and the community and they responded uh to help Union County with this and um told him personally how

147much this board appreciates the work that he's doing in Raleigh and um and we also told him that the next time he's in Union County we might make him an honorary firefighter so um I don't know if many of you know but um an and Dean art were tra were traveling one day and they they saw um a home that was on fire and they turned around and he went back and saved someone from a burning house and um so that's our Dean ARP and um so we told him how proud We Are of him and we we just might have to recognize him one night um and and bring him up here um we uh representative Dean or and I also discussed the needs um from our district court judge um Aaron hux who

148was here with us U at the last meeting and um he was very receptive of that information um and and wanted more information and we discussed the state formula and that it's not a perfect formula but um again as um Dean ARP always does he said he wanted to help us any way he could and to send him the information and I have done that and he's going to um review it very carefully um and I will turn it over to commissioner Bonhams thank you madam chair um so I'll to uh give um you know public acknowledgement of um our local delegation and the work that they've done uh in regards to local bills um that would reverse some of the actions of SP 382 um you know those of you that watch our meetings

149and attend our meetings have have all heard us talk about SP 382 um and so uh we have to give credit where credits do and so we certainly appreciate their efforts there um I also agree uh judge hux um has supplied us with great information um there was an item on our consent agenda um that we you know add um consideration of a of a district court judge to our legislative agenda um I appreciate uh chairman Merl's um efforts there and and um uh talking with um um our our local uh delegation about that issue um also want to thank all the speakers that we had tonight so you know obviously we've had a lot of public comment tonight um and we've had lots of public hearings and there's been different opinions you know on

150some of the things we've talked about um I felt like overall everybody was respectful um and you know although there was different opinions I felt like each opinion held value and so um I want to thank the public uh your engagement matters and I appreciate all the effort that was made tonight um to voice your concerns thank you and the emails we've gotten plenty of emails to consider absolutely commissioner sides no com okay okay everyone um that concludes our meeting for March 3rd I want to thank you all for being here and I will make a motion for us to adjourn all those in favor say I I I good night everyone good night for