001like to call our work session to order discussion versus questions. discussions and I guess you have to see what you have to say after all. our last board meeting when we table this office. Um, so going back to the last board meeting, um, we had several speakers and they brought up some very valid points such as, um, there's a casual dance that I don't think many of us were aware of that kids wear their whenever they wear school, they're wear that was not in the in the accessible dresses. No, this was for homecoming and and dances like that. So they just wear what they wear to school. Yeah, they had the special names from you know um and then after listening to the the presenters and us discussing it that night um we also received
002a lot of letters from students and some teachers um at the high school and in reading them um I found I noticed I don't know if you all did either that they really don't know what the drug is. Yeah. I mean they're just they're they're just not aware. I mean because I read I read the letters also and and I bet every one of them said I wear a hat to school. It makes me feel comfortable. Whatever. And I'm like we aren't wearing dressing hats. I mean we are addressing cover up coverups like covering up your whole you know trying to hide influence not anything a baseball cap is what we is going to be probably what we can say would be allowable you know and they said you know no caps and and um
003But that was and that was the main issue I think in most every letter that I read in misinformation is yeah misinformation. So Logan proposed that we put a line in here that says hats are allowed somewhere so that they they can understand because right I think we when we say hats I think what they're wanting to wear are baseball c. So number three in our additional items. Yeah. So if we say baseball cast you can't wear anything. And that's what it says. And I mean it already I think it already says there. It does. It says it just is the way it's worded on your currently systems to be knee pads or any other head that could cover a student's ears and conceal earbuds or headphones thus presenting communication or safety challenges are not
004but it just means it just says if it covers their ears should we have the hat or the hat? I don't think we can take the word hat out. Well, there are hats that also have the little ear flaps. Yeah. So, can you say could you like for one of them say baseball caps are allowed and then for the next one anything that could potentially cover the ears. baseball and I think that you could also change what I just read to say, you know, it says that could cover a student's ears. You can just leave could out that cover a student's ears. Like I make it clear that any hat that covers the ears, not could, but does cover the ears would not be. I think we're getting a little bit ahead of of something
005that Jan and I last meeting. So, we we looked over everything that we discussed what we were going to say. We looked over everything that um that was presented to us. We discussed what people said. We looked at the letters. Um and then we looked at the dress codes. And we found that the junior high dress code, which I gave you all, explains everything very clearly. And in order for a student to go to high school, they all have to go through junior high first. So, they've already they've already had several years of this, three years of this. sixth, seventh, and eighth grade. And this was their dress code that they followed in junior high. So, why don't we adopt the junior high dress code with a couple of the changes. So, if you'll look
006on the junior high dress code, it's skirts and jackets. Number two, all tops must completely cover a student's midrift, torso, and shoulders at all times. And if you look at the second page I gave you the torso behind you this way. So the torso is from the shoulders to one here. Shoulders to here. This is your torso. And this is what they do at the junior high. The shirt must come to here. That will take care of the controversy over shirts being too long, what's too long, too baggy, oversized shirts, oversized clothing. But with that being said, now we may contradict on the leggings and yoga pants that coming down to cover the bottom, the hemline, covering the bottom of the bottom. So that's why this that would change the wording on the shirts. Yes.
007But we felt like that would be our best and and plus in fact you know as a school system we're trying to stress continuity. The first meeting that we had, it said they said that elementary school, I don't remember which who which elementary school said it, but they said when the last nine weeks of school, they go to the middle school dress code for fifth graders. So for fifth graders, so if we adopt middle school dress code, they'll already be familiar with it. And then we'll have continuity. They will have a different middle school dress code and a different high school dress code. We'll all have the same plus the fact we wanted the one reason why this issue was started is because of very very short dresses. Like I said, I think allies and
008everything. Yeah. But a lot of it is food. There is not food every day for that. But anyway, but that way there'll be a lot of there'll be consistency. We'll have that. I mean, you know, and I I think that the middle schools is very well written. It's clear. I think they understand what what they're supposed what they're doing there. So then it just carries right over into the high. So all tops must cover mid torso and shoulders. Like even if they're in blue jeans, if if it's not just Yeah. because we're trying to because and I real and I know this because you know I love to go shopping and anyway and I noticed a lot in the junior department they have a lot of short times but I mean you know we're trying
009to get away from that and you know and the one thing that really bothered me in the letters that I read was the fact that they said I do not like the Lord telling me what and I thought but anyway but I'm thinking you're we're preparing you for the world of work. We're preparing you for your future and you are definitely going to have to have people are going to tell you how to dress, you know, and we were really into soft skills. I think and I have to always say this before co and soft skills one of the things is how to dress and when they have to give their defensive learning one of the things that they're judged on is how they're dressed. So, I mean, you know, we're not taking away we're
010taking away pajama pants and and house shoes and but you know, but it's really nothing. I mean, we're really not making any major changes. Probably the major change is the dance. And that's that's it. That's why we're here. And that's already and that's how it all started. And I want to mention too when we had last month meeting um you know there was mention about the punishment for violations of code and we haven't changed anything. No we haven't touched action that's been in process. I don't even know that we've ever changed it since I've in 10 years just you know it's just misinformation and the expectation is that administrators and teachers and staff who see somebody that enforce that dress code because when you start enforcing that those students are not cuz you're always going
011to have those students that want to press the issue they want to pull off and see if I can get away with wearing this today you know you're always going to have those is, but if they see and they're standing there in a group full of staff, you know, like whatever talking, you know, and they don't dress co and they're like, I don't care. I'm going to wear it tomorrow, too. And then everybody else is going to wear it. So, I feel like, you know, I know the teachers mentioned or a couple, maybe it was Kendra that said, you know, they don't want to, you know, lose that rapport that they have with their students by saying, "Hey, I'm just going to go to my office." You know I understand that but in the same
012respect we are trying to develop future you know business leaders future you know dentists nurses lawyers whatever they do you know our um skilled workers you know there's always going to be a standard that those employers set forth for those kids and they have to learn that yeah you're in high school But guess what? You're not be in high school forever. You're going to be in a real job, a real care real career. And those expectations are going to be placed upon you whether you like it or not. So we have is supposed to be asking that she can come and speak. Um that has students that leave the high school every day work in her facility and she is continually sending kids home telling them, "You can't wear that. Please just stop wearing that
013to work." and they continually do it because it's what they were school and she said it's not acceptable here. So she wants to sign up and talk about that. I said please do because that's what that's what we want people to hear. When these kids graduate they're going to go out in the workforce. We have a dress to go to our you have a dress to go to your work dress my dress I wear the same. You're going to be told what to wear for the rest of your life cuz we don't let the Tessa wear her little shorty short. So, it's probably just part of growing up and part of being a responsible citizen and following the rules and the norms in your society. Everything will fall in place. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. So
014the only thing um to know the middle school like they don't allow baseball. So if we change that to say baseball caps are allowed. But this is the middle school, right? We'll see how it's worded. Number three, puts hats to like they they left it up there and are enforcing it. No hats are allowed unless it's a dress or hat. So if we change that and we say baseball style hats are allowed, then that means they have to follow. everything loungewear, you know. So, what's really popular right now are the two piece matching that are comfortable for the girls. Um, the guys may want to. But anyway, um, you know, those would be considered in my opinion loungewear. And we either need to change that to say like fleece or fleece pants or something. I
015think we probably need to take loungewear out because, you know, I know they always have the cutest little two-piece lounge out, you know, whatever. The only problem is that short ones, you know, match, you know, sweat. Yeah, but it's not technically sweat. I mean, they're my material, but they're not necessarily like on the inside. They're just like a material, you know, you know, boy. I don't know. So, it's just like that. This is it. A lot of them here in they're not even in um So could we take what if we took out lounge wear pajamas or pajama style pants But we're not doing we're not doing elementary right now, right? But middle school would tell you if that wasn't in there. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I still know it's in your address. So, if
016you take it out, that's why they're with me. But can you just take out the word on the hat? Could we say baseball is up to like decision or something? I mean it if they choose not to then it would be the administrator's call. I mean that's it. They can't be over their ears. Well, no. It says additional. Look, if you read it, hoods, hats, toboggins, any other headwear, potentially covering are not permitted. So, the middle school has taken that and they've used it to says are not permitted, but it doesn't say that. Number three, it does. hoods, hats, toboggin, beanies, hats, or any other head wear that could cover ears. But if you earn to me, it seems like they correct policies. See, so like I read it to say hoods, hats, tob those
017are not allowed. any other head wear that covers students ears. Not allowed. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. That could potentially potentially just say those anything that would just say any that covers a student is not even that simple. So anything that would be nice, you know, you don't want people longer and it was exactly that way as well at high school. It was all in middle school and high school. They just one one interpreted a whole lot stronger than the other. So if we clarify it as you as you steal or you can undercl baseball caps allow the discretion of the administrator so that All right. So I guess anywhere that covers the student's ears. Heat. Heat. Heat. Yeah. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Yeah. Okay. So you you wanted to say
018well you're going to you're going to be out here like I mean but if they're up to here you know that it's not going to be very easy to I mean okay I mean you know I mean that those that were way out here do I can do it. I mean, but our administrators, that's what their job is. You know what I'm saying? for the children. They they know we gave them an idea of the post. So now we're talking about are we talking about during school hours or dances right now? So we need some communication going on this is hanging out. I mean this is the day when they have to walk across the stage and their dresses down for their senior. What's the current dress code policy for lower body apparel at the
019high school right now? The junior high is no more than 3 in above the knee. But what is the current high school? And I'm about to say when you talk about technically and I'm just out there, you know the highrise are not. So if that falls out even though it's the opposite direction, it technically still is not falling weline. So you know you got like jeans, jeans, whatever, you know. So technically if you wa it should say something like waistline to say I mean I'm just saying somebody is going to say Even though it's your hair number one body apparel lower body apparel must be worn at the waistline and extend 2 3 in above because everybody's nice and they Oh yeah. So at or above national. So currently the high school dress code is
020mid eye for lower body apparel at school. Correct. Heat. Heat. He said he said now it's changed in this the only issue I have with with mid thigh is who is going to measure back because in order to measure mid thigh someone if someone's wearing a dress like this who's going to go up to that child and say okay here is this part and here's this or that's that's not a measurement either. It's too too ambitious. So that's why you're consider a little bit that's going to give you a little bit more. Yeah. But that's not that's not in this from here to here is is their thigh. They don't think of their being here. But when I'm saying if you do measure from that's going to allow them to be sure which is why
021but if you say on anything that way so if you're saying mid from the waistline to the knee basically off your hip and mid would be even shorter than 38. until it changes. That's the house. That's what they have to store. I mean, I went through dealers. I've been through I've been I've been shopping at their stores up there, you know. I've looked everywhere, you know, and until the style changes, I mean, the dresses are very short and the short dresses are what I have an issue with, too. And people know me, that's been mainly what the issue is now. I mean, can these girls find more appropriate length dresses as a short dress? Yes, they can. I mean, I know, you know, but it's probably going to be difficult to find. I can't tell
022you the number that I've been, you know, shopping with, you know, for girls in So, can we leave? Can we leave the lower body of treasure above 3 in including holes and jeans? Leave that for school time and then change the the dance code to midnight. I feel like So I think if we do 3 in for someone with long legs is a difference. Yeah. So to be across the board fair to you know girls all girls I think I think that's a great compromise but we're going to keep This is We don't worry about that. Yeah. We just worry about the pictures being posted on the internet of our children, even the boys, which we we address being posted on the school website. Yeah. Yeah. I mean websites our own Facebook school person with
023anyone around possible online addressable say it should not throw it out like a refrigerator I think that's a great compromise, you know, but I mean, as far as changing the dress, I really don't feel like that we haven't really changed a lot. Did you hear that? We haven't really changed a lot. Go for it. So, to be clear, just to back up again, the things that we did change in the Mber County dress code for high school is um that all tops must completely cover a student's midrift, torso, and shoulders at all times, which is the junior high dress code. Exposure of cleavage is unacceptable. Lower body apparel must be worn at the waistline the natural waistline and extend to 3 in above the knee. No skin showing 3 in above the knee. Um where
024does it address holes in jeans? No skin showing 3 in above the knee. This includes holes in pants and jeans. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, above the added dance. Heat. Heat. And then change the we added the shorts and t-shirts needing a proper dress code for casual things. Heat. Yeah. Heat. Yeah, cuz I think when you when you just put in the ball to coming down mid roof torso, it took care of the leggings Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat up here. Yeah. Heat. Yeah. Heat. Remember the last meeting 26 hours revision effective 7125 So increase from 1% 2% how much approximately million1 million $9,900 58 million one well 1% was 642,664 2% was 1,9,900 1% plus that 75 increase was 897125 those numbers in here somewhere yeah I mean it's it's in that uh
025it's overall All the analysis should be in there. No, right here. Tell you about where school district recently did not do like a% pay increase,000. [Music] Yeah. And and the thing that is is like that's what we used to if we couldn't afford in the city and to give a pay increase we did like that way you're not obligated for that money for the next year and you know I still Yeah. Heat. perform. So one of the schools the secretaries are in category 3. You ask me category intelligence are so like the receptionist at school they're all category three. Uh not not necessarily because some of them are classified as instructional monitors. That depends on that's that's based on the staffing allocation too. So let's just take a school that maybe we consolidated, brought two
026schools together. They may have some additional instructional monitors because we brought two staffs together. So we have additional people. So they might have somebody in the front office who is technically an instructional monitor. They're using that person in that role who is technically a secretary is who's supposed to be in the front office. So you're going to see a difference in salary for those two people because their role is different. Heat up here. Heat. Here on the bottom of this page, it says percent D6. Yeah, because there was that Yeah. So, I took out the the anomaly cuz that was a huge time cuz that 3.31 is the overall Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. cuz they are on the same way Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. I was trying to heat. Wait. Okay. So, salary comes from
027money. Okay. So, this turf money they were supposed to bring. Where does that money come from? It's all general fund. General fund. It's all general fund. Okay. So, he's coming from the general fund. Yeah. It's hard not on a half a million dollar turf replacement tonight. We're talking about giving people more money so they can do better for their family. inflation right now. Everybody knows anymore. You know what I'm saying? Heat. Heat. No wonder $38. Yeah. Yeah. That's one. One is To me, it all comes down to wants and needs. I know I know there are buildings and things that we need to do and improvements need to be made, but we also have a lot of wants in my opinion. We have things that we can put off till later and I mean because
028the thing is is that's I mean you know no matter what no matter if you're a bus driver whatever it takes us all and and what is the most important thing of that child in their education I mean you know and here we are talking about a dress code you know because we're okay we're preparing them for life okay Now, we're not going to get the best teachers. We're not going to get the best personel unless we know I spent 42 years in education, so you know, I've seen the game of it. I mean, but when I quit teaching and my daughter was making $30,000 more than what I was making and I and I was a full I was a yearround employee cuz it was when I was a counselor and you know I
029had the extra days and not a teacher and I mean you know and she and I had one and I had to spend a whole lot more money on that. Her education probably has a lot more money than she had and I had all this pretty much. I think it also be helpful if we had this. This is the kind of stuff that we're going to have to stand over the next 3 years. That we didn't give you that capital expenses. I went over that in the morning. He's talking. Basically, what he's saying is, is there anything that plan for next years? I must ask you, is there anything for the next 3 years? Yeah, that was in that list that I went over during my budget. That was about $5 million worth. So, yeah.
030So, yeah, I did go over that. So, that's not so that's not building or anything. just basically maint some of that was like the turf for instance was that and I guess the only thing I caution I understand exactly what you're saying but bear in mind you're you're replacing a one time expense with a recurring expense. So that's just I mean I'm just that's all I'm saying that the same people you know going for I mean there were there was a boy that last year fell during a soccer game for his ACL because of a hole in the turf. So, there was that. Um, so we're talking about some of it has to do with student safety. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we're Mr. Rugles said, you know, I'll show you where the holes are in
031the dirt. So, it's 15 years old. I mean, well, you know, it's so the thing is whatever we're talking about, I mean, you always have, right? You can you can patch something 50 million times. Yeah. 16. Yeah. 16 of them we figured out. So, cuz it was done on the consolidation which was in 09. So, so I think we want to be able to figure out how we can do those because there are games that were there tomorrow. And again, like on that list, if you recall, some of that was stuff that could go down. I mean, it's not necessarily, but you know, like why not? But but when we but when we budget, we have to budget. So that's where, you know, when I give you all the information, I'm giving you all the
032information. So, and you guys are going to make that decision, but I want you to have every last piece of information knowing full. I do want to I apologize I didn't put this in there, but you know, like we did the direct salary survey. Um, and if you take out like Davis and Warren County, you know, on on like 10 years, rank three, we're ranked number one. Uh, in the 20 years, rank three, we're ranked number two. Rank two, yeah, and rank you go to rank two, 10 years, number one. Rank two, 20 years, we're number two in terms of our ranking of salary. Um, and it's the same for rank one. Um, in fact, those are teacher those are teacher. I'm just I'm just telling that's that's just, you know, that's that's one of
033the the metrics that we do use in terms of that. Uh, you know, on rank one, we're actually ranked number one on the on the low end, the mid on 10 years, and then we're ranked two on on 20. So that's good. Just as an FYI, you know, but I really think I mean, you know, just like if you were to get a 1% raise, it would make I mean a whole lot a lot more money than what I do. I mean even if retired teachers get every year we get a price every year. So what is the step increase from last year to this year in terms like what it varies like you know per rank you know how number of years uh on average like I did this a long time ago it
034was between two and like it went right from one like 1 to 3% on average you know I mean and we don't we don't have the coffers that KTRS or the other retirement systems have. So I get that you know that there's a cola but they also have a huge tax base whereas we don't and you know and every time assessments have gone up is what we've recommended that we do that tax increase. So so same here went up this year too about 20%. It's all over. Well, some of it was verbal. I'll give you like I'll I'll scan the list and everything's got two we went over. So I mean that was that was something we ever did for not yet. What we're Yeah. What we're trying to do is get going on the
035piece in there. Hopefully we have some Heat. Heat.