001e e e e all right can you hear me we're live all right good evening welcome feels like just yesterday I just like the song well hello again uh Craig muy assistant superintendent uh sport services and uh the brains here mared El spidel assistant superintendent for business services and the one who really makes things operate around here it's good and Jenna is here and uh she's uh she's the one who who makes sure that we have everything we need in here so uh we'll make sure we take care of her along the process uh thank you everybody for being here uh we want to first start I'm going to actually hand it hand it over to uh our superintendent you you uh they won't be able to hear you live unless you stand by a
002mic oh there it is right there so there you go boss so Dr croo all right good all right good evening uh thank you for being here uh we appreciate you a lot um I know you did a lot of work last year a ton of work and and we are thankful for all that work we're here to look at the two subjects again um this time we don't have that six-month time frame it's a little shorter so but you have a lot of the background I know these two um have a lot of information for you to recap that but I just want to say thank you thank you for taking your time in the evening to come talk about these two subjects so you know we have a override pending now last year
003we looked at it um now we're at crunch time with it so um I know you guys will discuss that and talk about that um and do some wonderful stuff so I just want to say thank you for taking time for the district and I'm glad you're here so have a good night all right thank you Dr croto uh and uh um the the evening is set up obviously um we know that everybody's time is valuable so we're going to make sure that we're very efficient in what we do um we know when you came in there was some information you were able to gather uh we had both an agenda and a and a PowerPoint presentation that you can also watch up there but uh really as we as we look and I know
004that we have you guys are you know were able to be here tonight um I know that we also have one member that's uh calling in as well so but what we thought would be nice to do is real quick again just so we can uh make sure that we're connected with everybody in the room we do that but before we keep going on that piece we do want to allow and give opportunity and time to our governing board president Don denmore um and say hello to her miss denmore anything you want to say to the group thank you for being here and for our audience out there uh Miss denmore president denmore has uh has uh thank everybody here that's here tonight thank you for your time and uh and appreciate all you're giving
005to this committee so um but we want to do is give an opportunity for each person in the room just to to introduce if you could tell us just give us a name again and and uh if you could even tell us Community uh Community member affiliation where you're kind of where you're the school Community maybe that you're affiliated with would be perfect for us okay so are we on okay Shantel mcne um nice to see all of you again and I'm the principal at Countryside Elementary School we're K4 school just across the way also Community member to dier graduates from Shadow Ridge so I'm just very happy to be here to support our school district uh Travis wadell um I'm a former employee in the district um I have a daughter that goes to
006an elementary school in the district as well so Community member or a community member and parent Shannon Frasier um current employee and Community member and also a parent um over my kids are over at Mountain View hi good evening Patrick Campbell um it's the employee coach volunteer coach and parent of a of a child at Shadow Ridge Kelly spear I am over in the Assante area and I'm a parent of a daughter at Willow Canyon Jeff Drake board member husband and father Karen Cody and I am a Community member and I live in the Assante area proud mom of two graduates from the daart Unified School District I'm Bill poopo I'm a 5 year resident here in Surprise um retired city manager I was here as city manager from 2000 to 2004 three grand kiddos
007in the diart district one at Willow and two at Shadow and uh that's about it Community volunteer have one more go ahead Mr Milton johnie can you hear us sorry guys yes hi guys this is John councilman Johnny Melton District 4 glad to be back with you guys um sorry I'm calling you remotely but I will be with the next session in person um I'm just glad we all got back together again and and see what we can do to help the community so GL to be a part of this thank you thank you okay thank you everybody for just giving an opportunity to do some quick introductions uh you'll have on your agenda you'll see the uh really the the rundown of how we want to to orchestrate this and and walk through we
008want to do what we want to do tonight um obviously if there's feedback or input that we need to take be you know before we finish the night and on how we're moving forward um and we'll give you some next steps as we see it but this is uh this is going to help to guide us and so when you think about the objectives that we have for tonight um it really it can be categorized into three areas as you see them up there uh that first one really the first one's really about the type G you know the information that we're providing so is delivering clear comprehensive and accessible information on both the override and bonds okay to enhance uh understanding it'll help us to make you know some decisions again uh and and
009and really that you'll see on the third bullet was Twi the second bullet there Gathering meaningful input um and and enhance the process for future improvements in decision- making this one is really related to getting the input from the committee and what and hearing your thoughts uh as to you know the next the next step and the third one is really what we have to arrive at in the end and that's to make a recommendation to the governing board on calling for a bond Andor override uh election um and we'll get into some timeline dates for that because the timeline is pretty is pretty short there's go around on this time but I you know the the the other part of it is you've all seen the stuff that we've presented already so it's going
010to be a little bit more of a recap tonight for us uh but that'll give you the opportunity to decide when we're at some point um you know it it it won't be tonight but then we'll be making a decision uh go for a an override and uh not a bond or go for a a bond and not an override or go for Bond and override or go for neither I mean that's the recommendation just similar to what we did last time okay so just thinking about the process if you remember this is a recap last time I don't need to read every piece of information but I want to show the elements of what we did uh you know as maryell and I reflected on this you can see the amount of time last
011school year from October to March and how much time was invested uh everything that started on October 24th uh where we had our first meeting uh gave us that opportunity to start with the overview news and then as we continued through as you look into November you're going to start to see where we started to do a lot of the research uh and looking specifically on how funding looked and spendings you know because that's important to see that so we dove into the budget uh and then um we had an opportunity to study a little bit about our community hearing from an outside Source but then doing our own studies uh hearing more information on construction and transportation which moved into December where we dove into um a little a more specific look at safety
012uh again the the maintenance construction but then also and I left this part off on the last one looking at the needs that existed as far as school builds um and and just because of the capacity that we have at some of our schools if you remember specifically we looked at those maps and we'll have that in just a second but that was a big piece to this of determining whether there's a lot of population growth and how do we handle that um we toured on a Saturday in January those you how many people here remember touring on a Saturday that was fun right the three hour tour was great we got to see a lot of what's happening out there uh and then in uh we came back here and we did a recap
013on bonds overized took a lot a close look at tax implications which we'll get to revisit again and uh then we moved into the results of even looking at those public surveys we spent some time on that uh reviewing and then in March we uh we brought it all together and came to a conclusion on where we wanted to go from there so uh just to recap some of that information we studied um if you'll recall the buses that we identified in that particular uh uh piece we talked about replacement needs and that uh during that study uh we recognized that uh we only had purchased about 78 buses from 2008 and prior and that 70% of our fleet was 15 years or older uh we looked at the regular education buses um and the
014the cost of those needs if you're replacing those 46 and the cost of the special ed buses and it was about 5.6 million total cost 17 million there was the uh the map that Kevin Shipman helped us with our um we say it's planning administrator is the correct title or director of Planning and Development yes director of Planning and Development um and he he helped us really to identify where the growth was happening uh we took a very specific look and you'll see up there on that map uh the Assante area I want to say Copper Canyon is the other uh community area we talked about and then also you'll see the the extensive growth we talked about also even that's starting to happen more and more down in the Shadow Ridge uh area so
015we explored the idea of what is an elementary school cost uh and that's in the neighborhood of 35 million um that was at the time we did that study so we haven't done a new uh pricing uh projection but that that time that's what we determined we also had looked at land and what that would cost up in that region and we had estimated for about 50 to 60 Acres was around you know we might be able to do that for about 10 million maybe right but that was a negotiation side we said we were trying to do facility Renovations there's a lot in there um you'll see 48 million is the big cost at the bottom of that um you see the breakdown within that chart mechanical and HVAC roughly you'll see just a
016little over six million Plumbing which kind of goes along with that in some ways but the 300,000 the floring um that you're seeing some of the issues where you start talking about you know Florine that's coming up and everything else to six little 6 and a half million Roofing um almost 8 million weatherization those are the seal and paints and and and upkeep there of approximately six million freezers and walk-ins that are breaking in the district about 1.5 million High School Community restroom facilities um but before I say that on those other ones a really important piece to say is that those the facilities remember that's because you're talking about schools that were built almost 20 years ago so we're starting to see how that caught up in the Aging um the restroom facilities uh
017the majority of that money was looked at for the needs at both Willow Canyon and Shadow Ridge that don't have any restroom facilities out in their field areas um and then daer High School um Auditorium about 5 million so that came up to about $48 million there uh Safety and Security needs we tackled quite a few things there um when we talked about see the bottom there 17 million we discussed everything from uh gate openers that are automatic um some of the card key and and ways to get in and out of buildings uh busing system the the being able to see where kids are at and manage those pieces where you know where buses are at and where kids are at um the check in and out piece so parents could know where their
018where their child was at and when they're getting dropped off lockdown systems we discussed that are that are beginning to to break that go along with even I will tell you intercom systems and other issues that happen that are uh that have been failing um and trying to update those fencing um that's deteriorating and gate repairs and areas of those tactical diagram building modeling so um so those a lot of those areas where we were trying to really update what the buildings had on there to identify them and making sure that we know how where everything's add on a on a footprint uh safety related communication systems which includes your even your radio system of how you communicate with each throughout the district it provides great communication for police fire everything else that was in
019there and then the fire panel upgrades which was a big one and very expensive um and those are about $250,000 each that's why you're seeing that that price of about 6.3 million and updating those There's a summary of each of those areas which totaled 127 million and that was the total that we went out for in the bond so if you'll recall in that recommendation time we um we brought it forward to the committee at that uh from the membership that was and that was um that was our our uh we had about at the time I think we had 28 29 members 30 somewhere in there and we had 16 in attendance for that meeting um you'll recall that it was a 160 vote um to pursue the 127 million going for a bond
020but we also took the vote as well that we said when we say that we said we're going to recommend it to the board that was our intent so we walked out of here with we also made that recommendation of um you know when we said that we we have to say well what's our what's our final vote on the override and that one actually failed there was a lot of discussion if you'll recall of of the attempt to try to go out for two things at once and it was better to just pursue that um it would have been a year early and and I don't want to go too much into that piece but that was where we were we were at um and we recommended to wait for that piece I I
021I do want to acknowledge in that in that time frame and all those updates that we did for the board meetings I do want to still again thank uh Patrick campel for for taking the time at each of those meetings I know other people were involved in helping to shape that but there was a lot of time out of his out of his schedule during that time back then so just to say thank you again thank you Craig so I don't know if there's any um thoughts or questions or we kind of just want to hold on to them I know we wanted to review just a recap because mostly everyone has was here with us um through the six-month Journey so um it feels like we just went through it so kind of looking
022at the Timeline it's like it feels very fresh so hopefully we just wanted to provide a little bit of perspective given just some reference points and not just speak to the dollars but really give you guys a little bit of context on what those amounts um included so now we did want to go into um the election history within our district because I know often we say the last time a bond pass was in 2006 and so we then kind of forget a little bit of what what else happened within that timeline so here we have just an overall history of both the bonds and the overrides so you'll see in 2006 while the bond was approved for the 190 million we were only um able to issue 122 million of that amount and so
023often people wonder what happened I mean and if you recall in 2006 we had that big dip that happened remember we had the recession there was values that went down assess values and so as a district it's just as if you're issued essentially you may be authorized to to sell bonds but if your assess value is so low we you may not be able to issue those bonds prior to them um phasing out prior to that authorization running out and so really that's occurred that's what occurred within the district so we only issued 122 million of that approved amount and we'll briefly go over what those projects were for um then in 2009 uh we went out for year five it was so was in the final year um where it would be fully funded
024of an override and it did fail um so really that would have meant we were slated the following year to start phasing out and we'll go over a little bit more of what that M override timeline looks like here in a little bit um but rather than now starting to phase it out for fortunately in 2010 there was still an option for school districts to to participate in the special elections so in 2010 in that March special election the district put an M override and it did pass so there was no phase out of the override um 2013 the district went back out again for a bond for 86.8 million and that failed um in 2014 the district went out um in year five of the override and it failed which meant it started to
025be phased out the following year so I don't know if who recalls being here in that in that year yep in 2015 we started seeing that first year of the phase out when we started seeing some of those programs um that were funded through the override starting to get cut and phased out so um we went um then in 2015 so that first year the phase out we then went back out in that election for election in that November and it did pass which means it was then restored in 2016 um then we got to 2019 which was now year four of that override and it failed um and as well as a bond for 152.5 million that one failed as well in 2020 when it was the final year of a of a full
026funding for the override it did narrowly pass in 2020 for the override which is now where we're at today with the override and we'll talk a little bit about that and then 2024 which we just recapped that was the bond request for 127 million and and that's a fail so it does help you to put into context of um where we've stood in history with our with our election process here within our school district so with the bonds and I know this again we went in such detail with it last time I but I did want to do the refresher over bonds and we'll do the refresher over overrides and then obviously we'll have that conversation and discussion as a committee group but with bonds if you recall those are similar to to Al loans
027kind of similar to your home mortgage when you issue out for Capital items those are all authorized by the voters they're funded through property taxes so if you recall in your taxes you have your primary rate and your secondary rate so any of those voter approved initia such as bonds and overrides those are funded through property taxes and those are used specifically to purchase Capital items or make Capital Improvements and so we want to draw that distinguishing um difference because often people call them an override Bond or you're going out for a bond override but they're two very very different things um and so a bond is very the tangible Capital items that you use to really um do renovations to your school sites and our purchase equipment um the thing with them is they
028can only be used to fund projects that have a useful life longer than five years because the thought is you shouldn't be paying off a bond for items that you no longer have or are now obsolete or fully depreciated and so um you you typically see them bonds that rep paid over a set period of time about 15 to 20 years um at the last uh bond that we took out we were estimating about a 15-year payback um because there was a difference if you extend it you can reduce your rates but now you pay more an interest so the counter to it you might have a little bit higher rate but less interest overall and so um those are just kind kind of um decisions to consider as well so again this is just
029a recap on those types of things and projects that you typically see um school districts uh fund with bonds and so you got your equipment safety improvements school buses building improvements new schools so all those types of things that we had included in that list um those are the common things that you see funded through bonds so the last time that we issued the bonds that was 122 million so that was almost 20 years ago in 2006 and so that's where you see we did have some renovations to five of our school sites um had buil a two new high schools there was construction of just new replacement buildings for for some of our school sites and so you see there the list of of the the big construction projects the largest one we had
030there at the time was also the acquisition of buses we we purchase a significant number of buses and so those are the buses that we kind of refer to often as we're they're approaching the almost 20-year Mark so the big Fleet of buses was purchased at that time um as well as we just did General upgrades to a lot of our schools recall that was during the hyper growth so there were a lot of schools that were being built and constructed and so also there was Renovations and improvements being done to those sites as well so I apologize for that's it's very small but you should have also on your print out which I don't know if that's any bigger but here um now that a year has passed so I know last year I
031shared with you where we were as a fiscal year ending 24 so now here's fiscal year ending 25 so you see there our overall combined amount which is really in that gray section to the right our outstanding principle after this fiscal year is $ 54.4 million um with interest of 5 million so overall 59.4 so those are really scheduled to be paid off here at the end of 2028 so really in the next four fiscal years the bonds that we currently have outstanding as a school district are entirely paid off so it always helps to put into context because where do we stand in relation to our peers so the Arizona auditor general combines us with with other peer districts so look at our makeup of student count um the size of our district just
032demographics Etc and so they really kind of look at us for operational efficiencies with our other districts that are like sized and similar um operations and so here I wanted to put in context then for those peer districts where we stand um with our outstanding bonds so you see us here it's the third um column over so we're there at the 54.4 million um and so just for context and comparison purposes you see where we stand um in Rel to our other school districts here surrounding us um and as Craig mentioned previously that's just a recap there what the previous um bond amounts were were requested for um and all the various Bond projects that that would be funded so this was I have not gone through because really it's the committee as as if
033you decide on amount or a recommendation or whatever the case may be I just wanted to put into context this is what was um estimated when we worked with our financial consultants on what that amount would be it was really a 36 Cent per $100 of assessed valuation would be the um the tax impact and if you recall I had to pull out my chart um does everyone remember this little handout that we had we were giving out so the plan of the time was really it was intended to be a layering in because if you remember we have that the bonds are paid off in 2028 and so the tax rates were going to start coming down and so really this was intended to now just kind of layer on top and once those
034bonds fell off it was now going to be at that reduced excuse me at that reduced tax rate so often the question they say you know there's no increase in taxes well technically it would not would there be an increase if the bonds weren't there well yes but it was intended to not be a rise to the tax rate for our community but just really kind of help smooth it in and then you would have seen an overall tax decrease compared to what we've been doing now so um again I don't have the updated estimate because we don't have a dollar amount to really reflect on but um you know if there was we would obviously have that updated at that time um and this was again we just uh wanted to provide just the
035election results from this past November's election so that's where you see the final results so the bond approval at a total 91,000 votes so 53% no and a little under 47% was yes so that was um the results of that election so and I don't know if um maybe speak a little bit to this one too Craig I mean I know we Craig works quite a bit right now in with our Cons with our facilities department and our transportation department so we have had to go back to kind of to the drawing board of when there is no bond but the needs are still there what do you do as a school district you know they often say you have to kind of find it in the budget live within your means and so there
036are some decisions and tough decisions sometimes that have to be made in order to really try to find efficiencies as much as possible so I don't know if there's any of see want to speak to a little bit no thank you and and I think it's you know just just provide a a few things that are going on just to give you some ideas um you know the school facilities uh board they put out a notice I want to say was in early January um that they they were out of money um so any projects that they had committed to in the state um were not going to be funded uh one of the difficult aspects for us on that is that we have an air conditioning unit and one of our schools it's operating
037at about a 60% capacity um we can't find parts for this particular unit um it's going to be difficult for us uh obviously now we'll do everything we can obviously we have great people that you know they do a lot of amazing things to keep things running but the problem is is that could break at any time and then you're canceling school for that day things like that so especially when you're talking about the the hot season well the other part of it is if you don't order parts now getting those installed in five or 6 months right is not going to we we need time if we're going to get things in place so um so you know those are tough decisions for for us when you're talking about a project that's about what
038you know a little over a million dollars um to to put in play to make sure that we have U sufficient air conditioning running at at that school um but they're not the only school that we're kid of keeping an eye on that's having some of these challenges and so we're working on some of those pieces and and and there have been other ones too that we've we've dealt with along the way um another thing we ran into a problem with in the last uh uh know 3 or four months obviously it wasn't brought up in the bond time but our our elevators started to to age out and not work correctly and so we're having difficulties in using elevators on the campuses with the second floor buildings that's difficult um so we're having problems
039there and the repairs are not cheap to an elevator is what we've learned so um you know so those are those are some things that have happened but you take the big scope of of what we're doing out there we've we cancelled a few projects that we had you know said hey we're going to try to do this but we had to shift money um I don't want to you know give too much that Mary Dell could speak to even better to this be that I can but I know working with maintenance department and on the expenditures I mean we've already spent just as much by this time of the year as we did last year on just repairs so it just continues to add up and and the depletion that way um multiple times
040buses broke down you know we heard from people in the community when those are things were happening but so we would have buses sitting in the N would drive that direction and wait in that area just in case something happened so we were planning ahead um when we were having some of those difficulties um to make sure we operated that way so uh one one of the bullets you'll see on there as I talk about buses um is uh is the uh walk radius uh just recently at the board meeting we had proposed that um in two two capacities one is that we would uh policy I want to say it's 3-32 uh the walk radius for K8 um is currently that if you live over you know over a mile we pick you up
041and if you're over a mile and a half at a high school we have uh we brought that forward and the governing board voted um to expand that next school year then it would be a mile and a half half for uh K8 and two miles for high school and and part of the reason for that is is along with that along with changing ESS boundaries that you have to go to the program closest to your home and you can't we're not going to just open if you apply for open enrollment we're not going to bust you all the way across the district you're going to go to the program closest to your house that was another reason it helps with repairs it helps with maintenance on those buses it helps with fuel we went
042down the the list and I don't want to you know continue I mean if you have other questions you can ask on that that was at that board I me we can summarize that piece for you and give you those notes but um uh we we we found a way as to to that we believe as we looked at it all those cuts would save about $500,000 a year now there is a there is a you know an impact to that but we recognize hey this is something that we need to to do in order to take care of some of the other needs we have out there so I don't know if you want to add anything to no and then just to speak into that last bullet because often we get questions well
043you know you have to find find it within the budget and so what what happens is especially as school district we have an overall budget limit and some of it stays within our operational the m so our maintenance and operations and that's what funds salaries benefits utilities purchase Services everything and then there's a separate Capital which is what we talked about funds equipment sites repairs Etc so often what we have to do in these instances is if there's no more money coming in in capital and some other districts obviously they supplement that Capital need if they pass bonds and so you're able to kind of relieve a little bit of that pressure valve on your Capital funds by using bonds well if we don't have any outstanding or any bond available the capital that we
044talked about last committee meeting you remember how much we receive in capital it's it's a very limited amount the need far outweighs it and so often it ends up happening is if we have the ability to shift a little bit of our operational over into Capital it helps to supplement it a little bit but what happens in that case is now you're shifting your operational and as I mentioned that pays for salaries that plays for benefits and so often it's it's just kind of that you know seesaw effect of you're going to shift monies over to help your Capital unfortunately it comes at the expense of of of people and salaries and benefits and so overall we have to run the operations and so that's when we talk about a little bit of reallocation and
045we're also continuously looking this the bullets three and four that was just kind of a conversation when we were looking within how can we start identifying further efficiencies it is difficult to to make those changes but they're also needed because reducing that operational cost will now reduce that Capital need because that will reduce the number of routes and fleets of of vehicles that are needed okay so for now then we'll shift over into the override um so again I feel like everyone in the room is very comfortable with the bonds because I think we've talked about the bonds for for a while and the bond Capital needs so overrides tend to be a little bit um more confusing they folks kind of forget about the fact that it's because it is embedded in our operational
046budget so the override they are used to provide additional funding to happen to support what happens inside our classrooms so this is something that school districts you can request up to 15% of our budget with an M override um and there are three types of overrides that can be used for K12 funding there's a maintenance and operations override a special override and a capital override and so really for our district the only override we have in place is the m override and we'll go in a little bit over what specific programs and and items are covered through it but it does provide funds for teachers salaries benefits supplies and general operations and we currently have a 15% override in place which for our district that comes out to about $25.5 million of our budget so
047our budget's about $216 million this year 25 and a half of it is um specifically related to the additional funding we receive related to this override so I know we've shown you this timeline before but just as a refresher so overrides they are approved for a term of seven years so even though they're approved for a total amount of seven years they're only fully funded as you see down there on the timeline for the first five and so you often then see districts come out to voters and they say you know in year four hey there's an override that's about to start phasing out if not renewed do you authorize an early continuation of this override so that's essentially those year fours because if you don't pass it you technically have another year to be
048able to go out to your voters again um and so you really if you don't approve it or renew it in year four or five you now start reducing it by a third in that sixth year and 23s in that seventh year and then ultimately it goes away by that eth year um so for context here we are um for diart we are currently in 2425 um so we're in year four right now um so starting next year we are still fully funded in fisal year 2526 but again if that override does not get renewed it starts in fiscal year 2627 being reduced by a third another 2/3 by 2728 and then ultimately it entirely goes away in 28 29 so again I wanted to provide context of where we stand in relation to our
049operational peer group so we saw where we stood with the outstanding bonds so here we see do other districts have overrides you know does what what do others do and how do they operate within their budget so here we see really um with the exception of uh glendell Union has a 10% override and peia has a 13 % but everybody else uh within their within the operational group is operating with an override in place at a full 15% so as mentioned our adopted budget or revised budget um is $25.5 million uh that we have that that funds this override and so here we see the programs um it really helps when we talk about reduced class sizes well that means you basically employ additional amount of teachers in order to maintain the current class sizes
050so when we say to help reduce class sizes it means if the override goes away we look at those ratios we would have to really adjust that ratio of that class size um upwards and so you know that's we estimated the amount of the override is about 135 teachers is that are funded through the Amo override that helps maintain the current class sizes keeping them uh salaries competitive so a portion because it adds additional capacity to the budget it allows us to um help fund those salary increases as well knowing that if we don't have that additional funds um that would certainly have an impact on any potential compensation changes um keeping instructional extra instructional reading and supports so we do have um specific positions that help um with intervention with additional um support in
051the um math and reading areas and so uh we have those positions that are funded through the override as well as we support our Arts our PE and our Athletics programs through their override as well and then finally we have the full day kindergarten um so ultimately it accounts for um half of the FTE in our current kindergarten uh teachers and so without it we would really just have that um the half day kindergarten which is the level that the state funds so just as a reminder the state only funds half day kindergarten often districts will go to their voters and say if you want something above and beyond what the state provides that's what you typically see the overrides are are in place for and so here's the breakdown of the 25.5 million that
052we have in our budget for this year so you there you see the amount of um that is supporting those individual areas um and that's what comes out to the $25.5 million so this is just the override phase out impact so as I mentioned the full funding for five years and then starting in fiscal year 2627 uh it would be funded at uh a third reduce so it' be coming down by 8 and A5 million and then by the year seven it comes down by an additional um 17 million and then starting in 28 29 the override funding would entirely be be gone so you're two I mean currently it's $216 million so you remove 25 a half million out of out of that is what we would be operating with so this is just
053a very preliminary um estimate um I did it based off last year the average daart home assessed value was 197,50 33 so I did it off about a $200,000 estimate um expecting about maybe a 5% increase in our assessed valuation um that is the estimated tax impact again we'll know better once we have our final District assessed valuation numbers um and we usually get those here in the next couple months when we do our proposed budget tax rates but here we see what the override um impact could potentially have so on an estimated $200,000 home um we'd be looking at about it comes out to about $239 a year or about 19994 a month is what the override um would would cost okay so and we can talk I think in a as a committee
054here in Theo if we wanted to go over next steps or yeah I think if maybe we just pause right now and see if I know it says override questions we can also anything on the bond piece that we went over do you guys have any general questions you want to ask that uh related to information that we recapped or um we went through it pretty quickly so but I don't want to lose lose you all so any questions or comments or otherwise we can go into the next steps and then just open up for committee conversation and discussion thank you the the phase out we're in year four right now yes you said currently in this fiscal year we're in year four so Financial impact is two school like basically a year and a
055half from now correct that's when it really starts yes so next fiscal year it is still fully funded so it would be the following fiscal year if not approved beginning of that school year that's when you start seeing that 33% drop yes okay yes y yes July 1st of 26 so next July is when you would start seeing a budget that's now adopted at about $8.5 million less yes any other questions yes and you guys can stay there I'll walk around the mic just to make sure everybody's if you have any questions so I'm looking at the retention of teachers it says that there's 135 um teachers that are currently um employed and I was curious to know if we have any information if the bond and or overrides don't pass what that would look
056like for class size potentially we had an initial estimate and again that's it's it's hard to say right now because of course but when we did just an estimated increase let's say for right now our student teacher ratio is about 26 to1 we could expect and we know that that's the average so there's some classrooms that are going to be higher or less even at this point because we have different um class siiz ratios depending on different grade levels so knowing the kindergarten is the lowest class ratio and it goes up from there but we could potentially have just when we started doing initial numbers you could see that basic ratio of average from 26 to1 potentially up to 32 to1 so and and it could go up obviously from there incrementally and so um
057it would have a pretty what that final amount would be we wouldn't know until we have you know the final budget established but um just initial estimates it would drive up that ratio thank you and then I just have a follow-up question regarding um ESS support or resource support would there be any or do you anticipate any Cuts happening in those areas as well well in terms of teachers and support so again I until we would really look at what the final result was and see what we can operate within I mean that is we obviously are required with a lot of what's in an IEP to provide those Services um so we we are required within that but it does fall within the operational budget so for example when we just talked about making
058some of those program placement changes and just changes in operational efficiency that could be something where we just continue to look further into really all areas while these are fully these are the items that the override supports it's fully embedded in the budget so it could be that we look at other areas to kind of help get us to that total total dollar amount thank you you're welcome and go ahead oh can I one comment first to that question and then I'll pass it over to you Jenna um when you also just along with that element of when we talk ESS there's depending on the types of services that are needed for a child that that can fluctuate in the expenditure which you a lot of times you'll see on average is that the funding
059for an ESS student it'll fun you know you'll see the funding at about 40% of the entire needs of the child so if they need other types of specialize supports so those other required services and I'm going to I'm just looking at Mary Dell for that those other we're still required by the law right and you know that but we still have to pay for that and still do that so that's that's the difficult piece when you talk about that element is there's you know there's an element to the funding needed to you know to meet all of those requirements any child needs and you don't have the you don't necessarily have all of that funding for each those VES and what I was going to add to that too is then sometimes because we're
060required obviously what ends up happening sometimes is you pull now from your regular education programs to support those requirements which now just has less overall available in the regular Ed um Johnny you can go ahead hi thanks team um Can can you uh go back to slide 33 M override second secondary tax impact could you walk through that table one more time I didn't hear all of it yes that one right there yes so um so this is the override the secondary so as mentioned the overrides as well as bonds they are funded through taxes right so they are funded through a secondary tax um different from their primary taxes so I provided this just for context of where it stands so fiscal year 22 was $131 per every um 100 of assessed value and
061so what I was mentioning in an FY 26 uh we're we just received actually our assess valuation so we'd have to go back out and get an updated estimate um but just an initial estimates show that if based on about a $200,000 home um and expected the assessed valuation to be I estimated about a 5% increase from last year's assessed value I think it actually went up a little bit which would mean the rate actually goes down because you have a bigger assessed value you can spread it out over um but initial estimates Johnny was about a116 um which as I mentioned if you if you really um kind of calculate calculate that out on a $200,000 assessed home initial estimates would show a little over a little under $240 um supporting the override in
062a year is that that's the question you had yeah that was okay so the so the average annual so the median household pays annual what number um and again if this if we're doing it on $ 200,000 on this dollar1 16 it's about 240 23922 or about thank you 60 cents a day or 1994 a month okay obviously all this is all subject to change based on assess valuations that will be performed at a later date that's good thank you you're welcome we know that override would impact kindergarten severely do we know if it would also impact preschool good question I mean at this point again it's really hard to say all the programs that would be impacted I mean last time and you remember being here it had a ripple throughout the entire District
063that I know we're still kind of seeing a little bit of the results from so because even though we you may specifically identify the target is or that that um kindergarten is just going to go down a half day I mean we saw a lot of impact on where do those students now go and where do they get their other their other half day of their education and then we had the Community Education Program create a before K and and after K and so we did did also see that impact down at the preschool level um but at this point what program changes would happen within preschool it's still a little too early but I also know that there's potentially some special education preschool that we were required to to provide services for so um
064a little early but I I do know it had I mean it has a district-wide impact even though you may only specifically you know address the full dayk you know you have siblings and other grades that are now impacted and what their transportation in school may look like Etc so um but yes I mean specifically right now I think it's still too soon but depending on what the results would be we would definitely need to go to the drawing board and propose things to the governing board and Tim make the call um Mr Poo but in when the override failed in 2014 that was an impact of 146 teachers so you can extrapolate that to figure it's band and arts and sports and I hope that answers your question okay great questions and obviously if
065any more come to mind as we um continue please we can certainly talk about that um here in a minute so next steps and timelines so I'll have Craig speak a little bit to to this yes we we wanted to you know obviously we want to think about really we've gotten this information I think we have an understanding um but but where are we at now and this will provide this is really where we're going to be getting the committee input um we know that we're we're not going to stay here until N9 o'clock at night to do this tonight I think gives you guys a chance to go back and reflect have you know think about that I know there's people you talk to um it's one of the reasons we stream this uh
066so there's that opportunity to gain you know a little bit more input so that we don't not rushing into a decision in one night so that's important for us um but we want to uh obviously for the committee the next steps are going to be review the needs of the district um as as you know we've talked about but what are those needs determine the needs for district overriding a bond um so you can kind of see what this next agenda is going to look like when we walk in the door determine the amounts for a bond and an override um you know the the part I want to say here is that um when we did the last one we said okay these are needs these are needs right um but then I you
067know as I sat back down I said well what are the needs to actually have a school day okay so like you have to have air conditioning right I mean you know in August we can't put the kids in the building and you know um so there were elements where we started to really drill down of one are those specifics I mean you know where we could could actually tackle um you know where we're at on each of those so we looked at for example on Transportation you we already talked about the idea of lengthening the you know a community that you think about is spread out very far and expanding that that boundary that that's a stretch so other things that are going to need to happen right but we said well what can
068we what are still needs well the buses are still going to fail so what we said is that how can maybe we can when we looked at the the buses you buy we also looked at the um a lower tier bus um so um a bus that capacity of a bus we'll say 84 and I don't mean 84 high school kids I'm talking about like you know that's a when we talk almost said the yes so that would be crazy to put 84 high school kids on a bus but what my point is is that a little bit smaller Bus Around 77 and then um it doesn't necessarily have all the same you know the same uh meet all the other same um I would say not luxury but it's definitely it's not going to
069be at the same level so maybe you're spending a little bit less on a bus and so we went and we shopped that a little bit more we said maybe not buying as many um so we were able to even make a proposal over you know as we looked at the bond over that stretch of a fiveyear span of maybe cutting that in half and just say not in buying as many so we we actually spent some time saying what is the barebones need of Transportation then we said what's the barebone need you know of you know when we said well building a school well we said we're not right so we said what else can we do well we we will continue to figure out ways to move kids obviously like we do there
070was boundaries redrawn up in the Assante at the time we had to say what are we going to do so that's not there for us what are other options then we looked at maintenance said do we do we have to have do we have to have restrooms out in those field areas well we can just continue to rent porta potties right people can walk right so um we said we can survive but we do need to fix the air conditioning we do need to make sure roofs don't leak and we do need to make sure that buildings do at some point get painted and we crossed off flooring off the entire list we're not going to do any floors floors will be okay we'll figure that out right we'll just make things work we'll we'll
071be okay so we started to cut things out and saying this is how we're going to do it but then the elevators we started hear about elevators are breaking and we said well that's a new expenditure we hadn't considered so we recognize that even cutting money out of there trying to reduce that we talked about safety what are the absolute needs you know and every one of these I do want to preface this is every one of these was discussed obviously you know the lot you know these are all things that go through the super attended to the governing board that we make sure that information is shared the community then obviously as we bring it to you guys you know this evening and this gets streamed out there we are taking every step we
072can to try to figure out a way to do still do it so which which of those safety needs can we not do so we took a look at the list and we said which ones can we you know we said well the fencing is nice we really do want that but what we really need to make sure is that the actual building itself has you know proper locks and lock down systems and fire you know so there was elements where we even looked at how we handled that element of it um and said what is the bebone need so my point in saying all of that with that item is we figured out we said if we you know if if there's less money asked for at least we can still make sure that
073the building can open on Mondays and make it through the week to Fridays and we're going to get kids there safely do our job in teaching them and everything else as far as those other things that you know that we know along the way it's still a Band-Aid in some ways and that's just an element I would say but we have to be we have to be conscientious to what the community said in the election and so we were we were doing that on our end so I'm putting that into context so you understand right and and I just to kind of little on that we did that was part of that final bullet when we talked about what do you do with that well you have a potential reallocation of your operational into your
074Capital so I mean we really in the last few months we've the needs are still there right when we had went out for the bond they weren't at the committee we had this conversation where like these weren't the luxury things they were definitely identified needs that need didn't go away in fact we now have an extra year where we don't have them and so you still need to continue to as Craig mentioned address all of those areas and so that's what we mentioned we've we've started doing that process you me you saw already some of those boundary changes just addressing a portion of it but that's where we'll now you know on our next time really talk to the committee and and get your thoughts and kind of creative ideas of what are you seeing
075or hearing or input on what are the absolute needs that if needed to reduce that requested amount what is more more feasible I guess from the context of what you said said what I'd be interested in is if you do resize the bond package to from X to Y what is the impact on the rate is it you know 50 cents less or is it 5 cents less or is it three cents less that's what I'd like to know right no that's a great question so I think when we meet next time if we have specific amounts and I can definitely follow up with because I'll I'll work with our um Consultants to draw up of those figures that's why right now I didn't want to give updated numbers because we don't we don't have
076an updated number but I know when I reach out I can give some estimates hey at this amount over this many years what would that do to the tax rate and then definitely bring back that back to the committee for you to consider any recommendation and that's I think that's a great point and that was the intent as Mary Dell said so we we would want to give exactly those numbers to show this is what we you know if you do this is the impact it would be on the tax rate so absolutely so those will be shared um those questions will be answered that's that's what we would consider uh needed information um on our agenda and that's one of them we'll add to the list um we we will also need to um
077I mentioned B we would need to determine the amount of the override as you think about that piece and that's why you got some context of what other districts have done what we had historically how much that's worth everything else so if there's information you would like to that and you want some other you know aspects s override please make sure you share that with us um we do need to provide the governing board with a committee update at the next meeting on March 24th did I get that right yes okay March 24th so um I'm I'm not going to volunteer anybody in the room um obviously we'll be there to answer any questions but um I don't want to volunteer anybody I wasn't going to volunteer you Patrick I was being very fair to
078that I do have question something I want to see real quick if you don't mind is the the history that you gave us is awesome I want to know more than that other school districts especially since we're now at a window where we're looking at potential override and bond simultaneously which the committee was pretty much against last time adamantly now that we have that I want to know has those two together in a school district comparable to us in this greater Phoenix area past and when was that history because I think history is important to understand that absolutely one of the things that we've had many discussions around us after the bond failed was not just what happened but it was why did it happened I believe this is me personally but things that I've
079seen was public perception even though we put out a just mountain of information and it was very clear and what do we do and all that transparency people still were saying oh well you know I'm not voting for that because you know the bond you know the the cabinets just going to give themselves raises and stuff we're like that's not true so there's still some false information out there especially on social media and I just those are things we need to address and I think we need to start educating the public now on more of those things because this much you know small step small step small step equals a journey right so I want to see a little bit more of the history of that those two especially those two together has that ever
080happened because I notice on ours we've never done both at the same time yes absolutely in fact we do um receive that information every time after the elections over um with other districts for comparison and I'll I'll bring that next time but it is interesting that it used to be they didn't want to go out together because one inevitably would fail that's actually kind of started Shifting the last few years the last few elections um where they've both gone out and they've both passed so it's um but I'll certainly bring that next time I did look at a regional of this last election and I saw there was a pattern yes of where certain things went really well and there a PN on the map of where things didn't yep y we can bring that
081next time um just to kind of piggy back off of having additional information I think it would be important to have additional information regarding how um I believe it was in 2016 or 19 when the override didn't pass and we didn't have all day kindergarten um the impact that that had on student achievement because as a teacher subsequent to the um Bond not passing and they're not being all day kindergarten there was a noticeable impact on student achievement and if there's any data that um can be presented that supports that as well because not having all day in kindergarten has a lasting effect on students and their achievement as they progress throughout um their academic career so just something to think about yep one thing I I I'd like to bring up is um as
082an elected PC for one of the LDS inside of surprise um there is lots that we could do to get information out taking that to these LD meetings or even having it included in the chair people's weekly monthly emails I mean if there's a way to get like a concise little what whatever the decision is made we also do electioneering outside at the polls so there I feel like there's some ways to get some additional information out there um to say because we're we're the ones that go out and help get these people and do the door knocking and you know while we did a good job last time it obviously wasn't enough to get over the hump but we have these resources here that I would like to say that as something we could
083start doing right now even for the next month monthly meeting okay thank you and thank you for that um I I will say that um uh obviously from where we sit up here I mean this is a this is a a district element where we come in here we want to make sure that the the community gets to be heard heard um it it goes beyond this Committee in many ways too that we you know the voices right that we're hearing and uh um and the opinions that are out there so um any of those aspects that you know you guys do independently or you know when this is over that has nothing to do with our element here that you're welcome to talk about other steps next steps as well doesn't mean you can
084say all those comments in here I don't mean you can't I'm just making the point of saying that we will not we will not be um um leading and directing any type of actions that's happening within the community that's a obviously we all know we did election law and everything else everybody's aware of that but um our job would be to get the information you need and then how that's carried forward um especially even those that are employees in the room and I just remind that is that's their work they're doing on their off hours and that's absolutely allowed so um just you know I just wanted to make that as a reminder but uh you know um I appreciate you sharing that information I think other members in the room were were glad to
085hear that so I could see the nodding in the room thank you um the uh U there was one other last B there the the F and I think it's on the next page too so the LA uh the last day that we can go before the governing board and and make a recommendation uh to them is April 28th and that's when they would also have to i' say that's the last date because that week make the recommendation and that's the the last governing board meeting prior to you see the next bullet of May 8th so Mary D that you speak to those pieces sorry I think that was yours yeah no so yes April 28th is when we looked at the calendar that's and um that's the date that would align with when we
086really and we'll look a little bit the agenda just our next meeting here as a committee that's just the one that would align the best to be able to get that recommendation to the board and then um kind of working back um from election date of November 4th the last St that the we would need to notify Maricopa County by May 8th um so as corra mentioned it's just it is a tight deadline I know it's uh we don't have the six seven months of that we had before but um yes we'll we'll get a lot of information covered in a short amount of time yes sorry I'm grab you a microphone here SEC just a question on the dates again so the next okay so we need to get a recommendation to the governing
087board on what date recommendation on a by April 28th but okay so if we give them a recommendation on the 208 we so we have an on the agenda we have a noted on there so for example we have the a board update on March 24th we're meeting again as a committee on the 27th of March we're then looking to do another board update on April 7th so okay I just want to make the final recommendation at the end of the month because I want to make sure the board's going to have have sufficient time y to look it over you know we give them a recommendation XYZ that night on the 28th and they may not have the time to make a decision at that point I mean I don't know if we're given
088them enough time to make a decision can they make it on the same night that we're giving them a recommendation are they going to need need a little more time and I know we right now that's we're are working um looking at those deadlines and so if we need to make some modifications so that the board has sufficient time we can we can adjust at that point we just know we the we have to notify the county by the eth of of if we intend to um if if we say we are and we end up not then obviously we can retract we just need to at least give Maricopa County essentially a heads up that the district is considering holding an election um but if something should happen in changes then we can you
089know retra that later on so so obviously when we have our next meeting um you know we're we're attempting to Hash A lot of those pieces out there is you know there is opportunity and time in there that if we needed to you know we understand that if the committee was in here said we needed another opportunity to come together we have to listen to you guys say that if you're saying more times needed so to your point yeah I mean it's if there's the if the ability and we're ready to go on the 7th and that's when the recommendation could be made right and we could you you guys could bring that forward and make that recommendation so all right any um last because I know we're right a little after seven so I
090know we want to get you guys out so just really our goal was just to kind of recap the information happy be able to kind of mull it over here in the next few weeks obviously reach out to us if if if you do have any questions along the way or if there's any other um things that you want us to research prior to coming back um together as a group next time um but yeah I don't know if you have any final words of wisdom Mr M no I'm just I want to say thank you for taking the time this evening again um and uh we appreciate you giving up this time um it's if there's if there's any uh issues with attending the next meeting please let us know or we have to
091do a special call in um we we find ways to make it work um we just want to make sure that we uh we make sure we keep things moving along because of the short timeline so um as we wrap up uh we appreciate uh Mr Campbell taking the being willing to take the the lead and and provide that update so thank you and then um uh I think that's all we need to cover tonight we'll be ready to go and provide that that requested information um and work towards uh our objective at the next meeting yep all right everyone thank you very much have a good evening