Dysart Bond/Override Committee Regular Meeting - December 12, 2023

001all right good evening everybody evening welcome and uh say happy holidays too uh we're uh I see a little bit of festive in the audience um we definitely uh have some red on here I see some of the yes we got we got festive sweaters and um Jenna's uh very much dressed for the occasion as well so uh with that will call this meeting to order um thank you everybody for being here uh we will start with and check in if there's any public comment at this time all right um any words from the superintendent before we get to that portion either nope yes there's a lot of goodies in the back so help yourself all right so the first order of business uh under uh item c number one approve the uh the unconfirmed

002minutes of the November 28th uh committee meeting I know those were sent out to everybody uh and hopefully had a chance to look at them obviously from the last meeting we will have some summary later on in the meeting of of obviously trying to bring some things together but uh uh at this time I would like to get a motion on approving the meeting the minutes for the November 28th meeting Patrick motion motion second Jenna and we then ask you to say your name when you do it because there was like three people so I was Pat we'll give Patrick the second on it okay all in favor of approving the minutes for November 28th say I any opposed all right motion is approved next uh we're going to move into our information and discussion

003items for tonight uh under item D number one we do have um a continuation of our discussion regarding the the uh the survey the community survey and uh here to uh share that information with us um is Paul B and we do have copies of that survey as well that are on your table so Paul it's all yours good good evening everyone uh my name is Paul B it's good to see you all again um I'm going to as I mentioned last time we talked a little bit how we do the survey and so you have the instrument in front of you and uh going to walk you through sections of it please feel free to stop and ask questions as you have I'll answer them as we go if there's something to that will

004be answered later uh I'll I'll cover that as well um but you've got the instrument so we'll just kind of walk through it uh the survey in its current length is about 15 minutes long that's about the high water mark of what we'd like to see when it comes to the budget and everything else that we're covering so if there are things that you eagerly eagerly want to add the one thing to bear in mind is be that we probably would have to cut something else so just think that through as we go through it we love I'd love to keep people on the phone for 25 minutes and ask them all sorts of questions the challenge that we run into is making sure that we have an accurate sample so first thing that we'll

005start with is just the uh the top of the instrument itself uh the name party maybe like a different party than they're actually registered with or maybe they don't necessarily know what ZIP code they live in or what area or maybe they're feeling a little younger that day so they'll tell us that they're a little bit younger so all of this comes from the file itself those folks won't be asked those questions um first thing that we do is we uh do an introduction uh as I mentioned last time we talk about it in in the sense of calling from the actual call firm something like MDC research or Viewpoint research or folks that we use that make these phone calls we don't call on behalf of the district itself simply because that introduces bias

006for the folks that might be eager to ask answer questions about the district or people who might have a bone to pick with the district so uh what we try to do is make it balanced and people who are likely to take the survey um that really helps us just get through the instrument and make sure that we are not introducing any additional variables to it so first two questions you'll see here are warm-up questions like we talked about uh the direction of the community right direction wrong direction uh direction of K12 education in the community you think it's headed in the right direction or wrong direction so we'll get a gauge of those those are uh canaran the coal mind questions those are ones that we have uh historical data on let us measure

007and see how things are going look at Trends uh when we talk about what's going on with the district itself uh o back one uh also we'll do a how would you uh measure the overall performance and educating and offering education to the students in our community excellent very good poor or failing this is a scale of one to five it's one of the first times you'll see this tonight uh we do that's called the lyer scale and what that is is it gives us the ability to produce a mean score so you'll get an idea sort of like a star rating like a one star to five star rating we'll get an idea of of where things are and how people are feeling about the district from a quality perspective I will say just

008so you're aware often we'll hear about the direction of Education being a little bit more pessimistic and then the local school district being a little bit more optimistic it's sort of the same thing we see with Congress people don't like Congress but love their congressmen generally it's the same sort of approach here where we'll maybe see maybe a little bit of pessimism about the direction of education but we'll see a little bit more optimism about the district itself so from here there's two sections to the survey part one and part part two uh because we are asking about both a bond and override half the folks would get the bond questions first and half the folks would get the override questions first and then they switch the reason we do that is to eliminate any

009of that first question second question bias because you'll see as you fall down about generally what happens is you'll see a little bit of fall off but we want to understand the value of each individual question for your benefit to understand the relative strengths and weaknesses of the two proposals you'll see at the very and we ask a follow-up question that says uh now that you've heard about both would you vote Yes on both would you vote Yes on the budget continuation only yes on the bond over only or no on both that gets us our yes yeses our yes Nos and our no yeses and then our no NOS so what what I'm saying though here is everybody who takes this survey it will be a little bit different because half the folks get

010Bond first half the folks get override first and then they switch and then also in that reasoning section that we talked about where we try to ascertain what people's opinions are what's driving them and motivating them um half the folks in each section will get a pro some folks will get Pro statements first some folks will get those con statements first and then switch so everybody will get every question but if you are lucky enough to take this survey um you might get a very different version than somebody else gets of this survey that's all to help us make sure that we are getting accurate answers to each question and not uh that we're leading people down in in a way that some one question might introduce bias to another question so in this case

011we're going to start with the budget continuation um and it is called a continuation and not an override because it is an existing 15% that is on the books right now and so why we call it a budget continuation is actually on the yes no language it would say budget continuation yes budget continuation no it would say if it were going say from 10 to 15 which a lot of districts do it would actually say budget increase yes budget increase no so you are do have the advantage of the continuation language so that we do that as I also mentioned this is a replication of the ballot language so you'll see we say shall the governing board of the dier Unified School District adopt a general maintenance and operation budget which includes an amount that

012exceeds the revenue control limit specified by Statute by 15% we have to include the revenue control limit because that's what they'll see on the ballot that is statutorily required as part of this so we want to replicate to the best of their ability if you recall as I said if I ask people do you want to pay more money for schools they'll say yes if you say do you want to raise taxes to pay for more for schools fewer people say yes if you want to exceed the revenue control limit for fiscal year 2526 even fewer will generally say yes but that's what is on the ballot so we start with the pre-test as I mentioned we get that early gauge of where people are and then we go into the program test and so

013what that is is the different programs that are funded through the override and so these are all randomized and rotated some folks would get the teachers first other folks would get Athletics first or all dayk they will be asked all these questions and they'll once again be asked to rank this on a schedule of one meaning not at all important to five meaning very important what that again will give us is mean scores for each of these items that we can then measure against one another and see what Rises to the top and what we'll find is most of these will be generally well regarded they'll they'll all do pretty well most folks will think these are important but the devils in the details we get to actual those gradations the fives versus the fours

014versus the threes and it really helps you see what Rises to the top so this this allows us to sort of score this section and see what comes to the top these right now are the programs that are currently funded that you'll be discussed as part of the override so we use those language and we broke them down into some requisite Parts you'll see things like I most of the phrasing that I have seen regarding this has Arts PE and Athletics sort of in one bullet point together we want to see if there's something in there that stands out more than others or if they're all about the same so that that's the goal within sort of breaking out the requisite Parts yes sir no it's good to meet you in person instead of just

015online by the way uh so uh it no actually what we though sorry the question for those at home on our home audience question is often it is seen that all Decay is listed first as one of the items is it because it pulls well and the answer actually is often no one of the reasons we I have seen in the past that Al day K is first is because it starts with a so if you Al alphabetize the language if you're just putting a list together Al day K is at the top now about a decade and a half ago uh during the napalitano administration Al DK was very popular what we have seen is it's fallen off because it benefits a small segment typically it's one of the lower ones that we actually

016what we test so uh but we'll see that and maybe it's back up you just never know that's why we do the survey itself is because we're trying to understand and and so this comes down to even the the bullet points right the bullet points as you list this if you're going to put this in the publicity pamphlet or you're going to talk about it with folks what ones to lead with and so this is just really helpful to see what Rises to the top maybe if there's anything at the bottom this isn't necessarily for you to decide based on these numbers which ones to keep or not keep but really it just gives you an understanding so that you don't lead with something that maybe isn't as popular as something else but that's a

017great question we'll find out how Al dayk does in this current environment so yes ma'am so the question is if people have a question about something in the survey are they able to receive clarification and the answer is no and the reason is because if they were looking at the ballot and making the decision itself there's nobody there to answer those questions at that time so we also as you'll see these are short descriptions this is more of the marketing test here to see what sounds good to people um I get this question asked a lot do people understand what this means and sometimes no they don't but what we're really looking at here is um these are likely voters these are people who have a history of voting in our elections they're going to

018show up and vote so we're trying to get an understanding of what they react to this is qualitative re quantitative research pardon me quantitative gets the idea of just really what the numbers are qualitative is if they've got a sense if they've got a feeling that's more of the focus group side of things in this case we're really just getting an understanding of if they like the sound of it or not exact that's a good point what uh the this comment was if you explained it to different people and gave them additional Clarity they might get different responses for it and absolutely if you were to elaborate if we sat down with every voter in the dart Unified School District and gave them the full description they would be much more apt to vote Yes

019because they would be the full knowledge of of everything that's involved what we have to do is based on what is likely to be presented to them what's the outcome of what they're likely to present so that's a really good point we don't clarify we don't really answer questions simply because some folks may ask and other folks may not and so if that were to happen then we don't know what they're responding to so that's a incredibly important point so uh the next section we go into is the argumentation and there's two sections within this section A and B section A is two favor statements section B is two opposition statements um as I mentioned the reason we do this is not to influence the outcome of the election but rather get an understanding of

020what is driving and motivating people because if I were to ask 400 people which is the size of the sample what do you think about this we'd get 400 different answers so what we're trying to do is get the underlying opinion about what what really is the the topic that's motivating them or what's something that they're responding to so on the favor side uh really and each one of these arguments what we're trying to do is is give a general thesis just it's a it's one single main point that we're trying to to explain um Q13 is about the Excellence of the school district itself just describing um its overall position within uh the community um how it has the the number of a-rated schools that it has uh the rankings of those schools is

021it is it a Excellence do do voters be willing to are they in favor of the Excellence what how do they respond to that and then um number two is about the tax rate itself this discussion about um 15% is a continuation not a tax increase it's the funding that has been in place since 2000 it uses this program is it about maintaining the status quo do people want to keep this to to in place this would be a section again if we had all the time in the world we could test a lot of favor statements and a lot of reasons uh people may or may not but trying to get an understanding you'll see we have two more in the bond um and so that we picked sort of the best four to

022get an understanding and then on the conside what we picked is the ones that you're likely to hear okay and so this again as I mentioned when when we were introducing this whole idea this is not necessarily what we'd like folks to say but what we're likely to hear folks say so number one is about the notion of the just sort of the national movement the national discussion against public schools and I'd like to point out that we say schools in our country are out of control I don't say schools in the district because that's not necessarily the discussion but being fed by the cable news and sort of the national dialogue is a sort of anti-public school notion that schools are out of control and that we shouldn't give them any more money until

023they get back to basics or back to in this case we said back to teaching academics and American values so I want to be clear that I am not saying this about the DI art Unified School District but what we have just seen from the 2023 elections throughout the community is this is a pading pervasive uh sentiment and so we want to see how much this sentiment exists within our community so that's why we asked that question okay uh similarly um this General notion that if school districts just tightened their belt or if they just got rid of administration if they spent their money more wisely they wouldn't need this money again I am not here saying that the district itself is mismanaging funds so I want to be clear about that but this is

024one of the biggest feedbacks that we get when I have done open-ended questions is this idea that schools have tons of money they have plenty of money if they just tighten their belt they'd have more than enough money to put in the classroom so we want to measure that because those are two uh statements that will come up a lot over the course of an electoral discussion so we want to see how those measure especially when you compare them against this notion of excellence and this notion of this is not a tax increase so after we do those sections we do a follow-up question and that's again I'd like to ask you again and knowing just what you know right now would you vote yes or no on this proposal that lets us see if

025people are moving that lets us see if there's any uh changes that gives us sort of the solid who are those yes yes folks started yes ended yes who maybe is in the undecided category it gives us a really good um understanding of where folks are I will say in general we start with a higher number we like to see that number in that 60% range high 50s low 60% range and then over the course of a survey generally we'll see it lower into that 50% 50ish percent range that has the it really has to do with the fact you saw we gave two Pros two cons we like to keep everything balanced in order to eliminate and prevent any bias that being said negative arguments tend to have a little bit more impact and

026so um well generally just so you're not surprised uh what we typically see is some slippage um between the pre-test and the post test um but that's something that we have tracked and monitored and can give you a pretty good gauge based on what the results look like on that one any questions about the budget continuation before we go on yes ma'am yes the question is does everybody get both sets of arguments um and I'm happy I'll I'll wait next time sorry um do does everybody get all pros and all cons yes ma'am so each person will get Section a section B and then you'll see in the bond section section c section d Everybody Get gets every question every time it's just the order in which they get them and you can see a

027person for example that might get Pro Con in the first set and then con Pro in the second set that's great um I I think I mentioned this but I have folks all the time say wow that survey was really super favorable and then I'll get a call five minutes later that survey was really negative and I'm just like oh you got pro pro and then you got Kong K and it'll be the same survey with the same questions just the order can impact how people perceive um how it's operated that's how I know I've done a good job um so on the budget side on the on the bond side this again is the ballot language authorized to issue and sell General obligation bonds at the school district in the form of Class B

028General obligation Bonds in the principal amount not to exceed insert number this is where you guys come in and part of your discussion is what number to test so uh we'll we'll make that disc you guys will have that discussion and we'll put the number that we decide um we talked about this briefly last time but the issue is I can't put multiple numbers in there I can't say would you do 150 no not 150 how about a 100 uh you know how about 75 because the that price is right approach unfortunately um really the the thing is they would never see that on the ballot and what you're doing is negotiating and so if you started too high and went low you're doing the door in the face technique right where you start with

029a really unreasonable number and then you wear them down into a more reasonable number if you started with 75 or whatever it was and then uh started going higher what you're doing is the foot in the door technique which is then you're saying well oh if you go for this amount would you go a little bit higher and so what we do is we recommend strongly that you pick a number and that we test it and I will say this the general rule is um really like there's not a ton a difference uh except in one spot two digits versus three digits okay so if it's a there's a there's a difference between say 95 million and 100 million but there's not as much of a difference between 89 and 95 or 100 and 110

030so it's really that the three-digit the demarcation is really sort of the break even point there between the two um obviously there's another Mark that we don't measure as much in polling and that is the actual amount that you pay in the property tax that can have a impact to you know if it's $10 per month per 100,000 assessed valuation versus some other larger number but in this case scenario wise for what we're looking at it will be uh picking a number that we can then test and knowing that generally a little bit above or a little bit below um will have a similar effect now when I say the three-digit thing I do want to give you one warning there is a difference between like 100 and 200 okay think about but um you

031know I was joking about this the other day and I wish it were I wish you could say this like you know how they do at the store where it's like hey here's the price and we slashed it you know and uh for it was well it was a 125 and we slashed it to 99 you know unfortunately that's not how the ballot Works uh you don't get to put the Best Buy sticker on there and show that it's a discount so you have to really sort of sort of pick a number and go with it um so I'll leave that to you as the great C citizens of this District to decide what you want to move forward with there but that this gives you an idea okay um again so just like we

032tested programs on the budget continuation side we test projects for a bond and again these would be randomized and rotated a couple of things to note so one q19 for example school safety improvements what we're testing here between that fence and gate improvements safety related Communications key card access those are all you might say well aren't those the same thing well yes they are but words matter and so what we're trying to understand is do you get more benefit from being broader with the school safety improvements as a whole or do you get benefit from any of the various aspects of it do people really find Value in fences or security uh items uh I did this for a fire district once and I'll will tell you we tested just you know equipment and then

033we tested uh self-contained breathing gear for whatever reason breathing gear was through the roof and then we also tested emergency medical equipment and that went through the roof so like sometimes equipment or something more generic doesn't do as well as more specific but you never know and so in this type of section here that are pretty short uh what we like to do is test basically pretty much anything that you would like to consider for the project and then see how it does I'll also draw your attention to uh 25 through 28 same approach is there benefit to describing the area in which the school is likely to be located so you get a control of land for a new High School versus land for a new High School in the Assante area that tells

034us does that really improve Assante and that sort of general areas number uh does it you know reduce the number of other places is the idea of just a new high school more attractive than a new high school with the location that doesn't mean we're hiding it it just means how how we talk about it can be helpful same thing with an elementary school you know Elementary School in the Northwest Des Santa area or a new elementary school um and then two below that faculty uh facility Renovations versus facility modernization G gets us an idea and we've been going back and forth with this I've worked on several school districts with this what that works better so you know this is really helps us understand do people care more about those Renovations and more about

035those modernization um and is there a difference because sometimes we get locked into sort of oh they all mean the same thing and what we find actually when we do this is sometimes in the mind of Voters they don't like all day versus full dayk you know that's a there that's another one that just they're they're the same thing but they're a little different and so we try to test the various items here and then we broke out some of the renovations you know uh HVAC and air conditioning roof repair mechanical and electrical upgrades to get an idea if any of this the requisite parts does better than the whole this is all about just making sure that we have the best language in place to help people understand what is what's out there this

036list is not necessarily it'll give you a good gauge if there's anything that really stands out as really high or if there's anything that stands out as really low um you know you're not looking at athletic facilities or anything like that right now at least in this current set that you know sometimes we see some variation among those but this will give you scores that you can then look at and say oh people really think this is important they think these three things are the most important and then again what we'll find is most people will find most things important but it'll be the that variation of that level of importance that we that we're looking for here to give us an understanding of what what people care about any questions about that fantastic so

037um again pro and con and everybody will get both the pro and con some folks will get Pro first some folks will get con first and in this case what we're testing is a general quality of life message this notion of that our excellent schools uh ensure they have safe and modern classroom facilities NE necessary to offer the excellent education that protects our quality of life quality of life has been a big dri in um in a lot of this discussion remember less than 30% or 30% or so of our voters will have kids at home under the age of 18 so we're trying to get an idea of the general quality of life of the community and that General schools improve our quality of life is a big motivation motivating factor second one is

038School Safety and Security we have seen in the last cycle there were several school districts that really emphasized Safety and Security as B part of their bond program to a great deal of success understanding if that is something um how big of a motivator that is is student safety in this environment um something that people care a lot about and to what level and so this again will give us an understanding of the degrees of those does more of a general quality of life uh approach is that what's really on people's minds or is there a more specified school safety approach that motivates people as they go through this on the con side Bond ones are pretty easy because they're taxes right in in this case unlike the override which is a continuation the bond

039is likely a tax so we do a general anti-tax message um tax we're taxed enough already taxes go up they never go down taxes hurt our economy and kill jobs we can't afford another tax just sort of the general anti-tax message which we also saw a lot in the 2023 elections so understanding uh economically um if people are motiv by motivated by the anti-tax message and then there's a more specific one that's sort of new last year or two which is sort of the out ofl out of control inflation and high interest rates that uh now is not the time for schools to be issuing bonds and committing to projects that will have increasing price tags so really you can see the a pretty big differentiation right we're talking about Excellence of the schools we're

040talking about quality of life we're talking about school security we're talking about the notion that this is not a tax increase versus this National discussion about public schools sort of the I generic idea that people don't trust a schools to spend money wisely people's anti-tax sentiment and their General concern at the moment about inflation so four Pros four cons equal approach give us really an understanding of of what motivates folks and then at the end we do a post test on the bond and that gets us an understanding of where people end up with that one same thing so we have two pre-tests two post tests gives us Good Apples to Apples numbers for the two proposals as they stand on their own the last thing that we do is we do one final question

041that is which one comes closest to your opinion I would vote Yes on both I'd vote Yes on only the budget continuation I'd vote Yes on only the bond and I'd vote no on both that'll give you an idea really who that no no group is that's going to be no on everything you know the no for puppies and kittens no for anything um and then the yes sort of on everything folks then who's in between that'll give you the relative strength that can help you decide um school districts do get to decide which item they put first and which item they put second so uh this allows you to give a pretty good understanding of of how the two questions do how they relate is one taking from the other and vice versa so

042that's really sort of the ending of that and then we do two additional demographic questions a kid at home question as well as sort of an ideological leaning question that's for cross tabulation purposes just let us kind of look through and see how um how folks really sort of feel about stuff so again as I mentioned this is about a 15 minute long survey or so um we are planning on getting in the field uh early next year and so that we'll be able to come back to the upcoming meeting and I will present uh the answers to all these questions and so uh with that I'm happy to answer any question questions uh early next year I I I have to look up the exact dates but early next year and then we'll bring

043the data back to an upcoming citizens meeting yes sir question 18 uh the you need a number when do you need that number when do I need that number uh when when do we need the number for the bond issue I'll have to look I'll have to look at my notes we're actually tonight um one of that discussion items is that because we'll have heard all our presentations we're actually going to be presenting that of what the items were as far as the amounts that we've seen presented in each area and that gives us a chance to talk about what do we see as the proper number to put out there within their recommendation so so early next year u i mean I'd love it by the I'd love it by the end of tonight

044but uh ear we're we're going to the field right after the new year and so you've got a little bit of time to discuss that we're going to put a we're going to put a billion a cool billion uh is this the firm you're going to use or is this are they going to call hit landlines cell phones both do we know great question so yes we will we call home phones land lines and we direct cell dial cell phones as required by law so we do call it will be a mostly cell phone sample we call people we don't set a quota based on cell phones or landlines we call people based on whatever they registered with and whatever they wrote on their envelope so over time it's growing to be more and more

045cell phones over time um but we don't require that we just use it now you do have an older sample we have a big portion of the electorate over the age of 50 and so we do have more home phones this is 100% live caller this will all be done by human beings asking these questions AI has not taken this over yet um so uh we will this will be all live callers it will be done we will make more than 400 calls to connect with 400 people but we don't stop until we get a 400 sample that's representative so it'll be you know a couple thousand calls of folks to get people to pick up and and answer I monitor that to make sure that we are not um having people hang up on

046us we're getting people to take the call if you get called please take it you know please feel free because you are a representative sample of the electorate now don't go post prefer if you don't go post on social media like hey if you get get a phone call from a random person you don't know please take it because that doesn't benefit anybody right the whole idea here is to get um to get people where they are and get a a response based on what they want this is not an online survey this is not vote for us for Best of the West or anything like that where it it benefits you to have a good number what we want is an accurate number we want the number to be reflective of what the audience

047is really thinking thank you any any other questions well thanks for having me I really appreciate it all right thank you Paul and uh just to reiterate that is uh one of the last things when we do our summary tonight we are going to be working to discuss that piece uh and and and really moving towards a number that we feel is appropriate to take forward on the survey so we want to hear from from all of you at the very end and so we're going to still address that uh our next item uh as we move on under information and discussion um is going to be the is our report that's coming on maintenance and Renovations and uh we're going to go ahead and bring that slide um show for you put that up

048for you the it's on your you do have copies of that it's titled maintenance and construction needs I will tell you that the first couple slides uh maridell is going to give us a little bit of background related to that uh it's some of the stuff that we heard in the previous meeting that Kevin Shipman had reported to us so we're going to get a little summary here so right thank you Craig all right good evening everybody so just wanted to provide a brief update so we will be um having our director of facilities and maintenance um operations here Todd blutter so he'll I'll be passing the mic to him in a second but just um just to go over the maintenance facilities Renovations needs all also just re uh visiting a little bit of

049the construction needs that were identified by Mr Kevin Shipman our planning administrator at the previous meeting so just wanted to kind of um just re regroup and retouch on that a little bit again so this was presented not the previous I want to say this was a couple meetings ago if you recall this slide so this just really provided a historical context for where we stand as a district and if you recall we went back a little over 10 years on what has the history been of the school district and receiving District additional assistance which as a district we utilize that to fund our um Capital needs and then if you recall there were those really rough years kind of from looks like 2016 through 2019 those were um the hardest ones where you can

050see the reductions that the state um had for our allocation so those really did start prior to 2014 but just wanted to provide a general context of that number so of the 134 million that we would have received since 2014 through 24 we were funded for 74 million leaving the $6.6 million shortfall um from the state so what that has created obviously when you're receiving about a million and a half in allocation you can't keep up with those um similar type Renovations and and maintenance um needs that you otherwise would have so um so that's why we wanted to kind of talk to you provide a little bit of context on that so this I know Mr Shipman provided last uh time and so this is just a brief overview of where we stand on

051the construction and what sites were were constructed during which time so um we had um all the various the the green uh button there is the k8s and then we had our three high schools so really we have from 2000 through 2010 we see all the the really that surge in in construction that we had we were in hyper growth during that time when we were constructing you know in some of those years three three schools a year um and so now we're coming up on 20 20 years of since that hyper growth was coming up so um um with that we also did briefly talk about the cost of some of the facilities so just wanted to put some figures out there we Revisited the the K8 School 35 million I mean we've I've

052heard from some districts that did have bonds approved recently it could obviously go up um some schools had them at at 40 million so it depends again on the size of of the of the site that you're building but I would think a reasonable estimate is about 35 million um the high school land again we spoke to um that Northwest area and the amount of Acres about 50 or so Acres would be needed right now that is the approximate cost again with inflation and and by the time you're able to purchase land obviously that that fluctuates and the high school it's I mean when we look at high schools they are like little cities right now we are looking at estimates about 150 million if you're looking at a new high school so these numbers

053are large but that is kind of the the current condition that's out there so just wanted to kind of have those figures in your mind yes question that is correct so the question was if you're building a high school is 150 million in addition to purchasing the land that is correct so just to obtain a land would be about10 to 12 million and then if you then by the time you get the land uh get that you know formalized then there's still the process of actually building the high school so it's a it's a significant amount yes question actually if you could just Craig's coming DEC through eight school we have land for that I can't remember we have the land for that so it's just building it yes that is correct so Mr Shipman

054provided information last time we actually do have um different kind of land Parcels that are available that would um be appropriate for a K8 size we don't have something that's the size for a high school you're welcome okay so with that I will pass the mic over to Mr Todd BL just to provide a little bit of background on what are the typical types of Renovations that a school district does um have to incur and just recent just kind of historically what funding have we received how have we currently supported our current needs and then just moving forward what those types of needs would be so I'll will pass that mic over thank you very much everybody we're going to start off with the mechanical HVAC uh these are the main items that we need

055repairs on our schools so mechanical HVAC Plumbing flooring Roofing rization which is sealing and painting freezer and Walkins on the campuses um going back to these slides right here you can see the growth of all the schools that were built during this time period we're coming up to 15 to 20 years right now and that's where we're coming and some of the equipment is starting to get worn out um this slide right here gives kind of a breakdown per school what we need the first one is if you guys can read that a little bit better on the screen there's a chart on your table so that you can follow along thank you very much uh so you can see on each school for I broke it down for Mechanical plumbing and flooring Roofing winterization

056and Walkins and you can see kind of a a big group for mechanical now we have done previous in a lot of schools that you see that we don't have the x's on that we have covered and had it repaired by the sfb or we've done the repairs um you guys have any questions on this one you go okay so this is just done alphabetically so it's not priority which ones are really in need of these Services right away that is correct and I will add to that and and just as far as as Mr blutter is explaining um that that portion of it and he can add to it is is that we do have a priority list based on where those needs are um we've scaled that o out over the next five

057years really to say when things are becoming due and some of them are due like yesterday and we're struggling um and he'll talk about a couple of those and some of those we know there's going to be elements that'll come up with with those needs as we get into the F next few and he has some more explanation on some specifics and cost but I think we got a couple questions apologize I if I if you were to answer this I'm sorry who who's determining that Asante prep needs mechanical work and who's who's who's making that decision like who's who said yeah that's probably a good idea we're we're going off a plus uh the amount of repairs that we have to put into keeping the buildings going all right good thank you I'm I'm

058I'm an attention to detail guy so Marley Park Elementary mechanical you've got an aster next to an X that means that one we put the aster on because we are currently that is one of the top priorities of the chillers and the um towers that we're currently having the work the most problems with uh right now we have one of the towers that one of the chillers that is not currently working and we are not being able to find any parts they're not making anymore and the parts that we have to send out are very expensive and very uh time consuming we've had a part out for the one unit is about now six we six months it's we sent the part out and it's still another couple months out okay and I want to

059add to that that too because Todd and I have been talking about a lot of these items recently quite a bit um they right now because of the dire need that Marley park is in with that obviously and and we have a time frame before we're going to need cooling um that's where he's going to explain here in a in a few minutes as far as what the sfb is and he'll explain when they actually will provide emergency funds and really there's not a whole lot of money there but he will explain that piece yeah right now we're currently working with sfb right now on that particular project because it's emergency one unit is down one unit is limping along right now that we're keeping it going um so they have right now sfb I

060met with them last week um their their funds are very low so they're working on just taking care of emergency purposes so usually they go out and you know pick different groups of projects weatherization stuff like that when we turn it in but right now they've kind of pushed all the weatherization and some projects down and doing just emergencies I just wanted to know if you can talk a little bit about the impact that that has on the students that are in the school um since this is an area that needs to be fixed like immediately what impact does that have on the school and the students right now if the unit goes down we do have a procedure coming into place that if it does go down we will have to bring in a

061temporary system to keep the school up and running um we are currently working with sfb and they have told us they would help us once we get to that point right now it's running good or it's running right now and uh but we are currently trying to push it as fast as we can I met with Engineers today on it um so that we could expedite it a lot faster we have a couple questions and I'm going to add to that real quick too is that we have had that situation before so this the district has um emergency plans where we sub you know and some of those emergency plans might be because the day it happens we're saying air conditioning we don't have any other options and we've had to move kids we've had

062to move kids or you you call it a day depending on how hot it is you got to notify parents you know that hey we're going to have to call but the other part of it two is is that temporary unit sometimes those temporary units are Out 3 weeks you know and so then so we have to be able to know if something goes down we're ordering and we're we're expecting help to happen we had that we had that this last I want to say it was at the beginning of the school year we were doing some of that element um because you run into a situation where one of them's down and we're worried about the other one going down so you start to plan ahead we don't just get to that moment and

063then say hey we're done cuz we know that that's not really an acceptable answer that parents want to hear in keeping School running and Craig if I can just add to that too we do have an ex external consultant as well um since we have a lot of our energy management system that we put in place we do have consultants and in fact we were meeting with them on Thursday again they they're analyzing this all day long like they're keeping an eye on it and they are usually kind of ones to also say hey you're starting we're starting to see a really high increase in in this usage or this number this seems to be down and so this is the cause for it so I know Mr blutter stays informed on all that so

064we can start preparing in advance or at least kind of having a contingency plan if needed um so when you say chillers does that mean AC yes okay two different types and there is a slide that I'll kind of break down a little bit okay so why don't you can you back up to the uh the previous one just go ahead real quick and just explain that sfb a little bit more sfb over oversees the capital funds for K through K through 12 uh helping out with the new new build and Renovations of the schools they're funded by you know the state and they oversee everything else um and Todd sorry if I can just add a little bit so this is the agency that we were talking about has been appointed through the state

065in order to help to provide an additional supplement for any building renewal um they also provide funds for new school facilities have needed and we fall kind of within the allowability but really the district has been um we've been able to take advantage of the building renewal grant program and so this year the the sfb actually did have a a pretty they received this year $200 million one-time grant funding from the state that really just is getting depleted which is what um Todd's referring to because districts are you know having their aging buildings and are applying more and more to these grant funding sources and so typically um they receive oh gosh I I I'm trying to find the number I want to say they usually say receive about 17 million um it's a much

066smaller number is their usual allocation so this year because the state was they finished with a surplus they were actually they provided them a one-time pretty large funding amount um but already I mean we're halfway through the year and they're already running out of those funding sources so they are a good um you know it's an outlet for us to be able to receive funds from from once they're out they're out and and there's no additional funds that they receive from the state is this like a viable alternative so like if this Bond goes out or are people going to be saying well you can just use this is that so that's yeah that's the question is can you refer to the state I think for in order for us to we're constantly applying so

067I think that's the thing I mean we can document these are all the applications we're submitting the trouble too and this is what happened last year even though we submit and we let's say we get approved and we are awarded a grant they don't actually give us the funds because they are they've run out of of money so what we're seeing sometimes they might approve an application or they might approve a project but they can't actually fund it so you're kind of now in a waiting you know you're kind of in a holding pattern until they receive additional allocation yes oh get you the mic if sfb gave us money for new chillers right now then we could take that out of the equation for the bond that is correct that's what okay and that's

068why they noted that asterisk because Marley Park we are constantly still actively seeking these grants and these additional funding sources we wanted to provide hey this is the where we're at but there's these high priorities that we are you know we just submitted the application and so if it's funded absolutely would come off the Bond as a requested item and you know Todd I don't want to give your resume with this but you've been do you've been in the school you know uh this maintenance facility operation for how many years now 15 years and and you know we talk about about what sfb is able to fund a lot of times they're they're after the the ones that're really after are the are the projects that are are becoming safety needs so you know that

069there's something that uh you're you're in a dire straight and they've got to help that that particular District so and they only have a limited amount of money so that's one of the reasons they work towards that element so what the the question too and I think maryell when you were saying that piece is districts then when they do have other needs what you do is you shift you shift whatever your current funding is so you just have to make other tighter decisions and make make choices that maybe are going to be a little bit more difficult um and that that's where you get into all the other well what would you you know this how much money what would you change in your spending and that's that's a fair that's a fair assessment I

070think for any you would ask with any District so maryell would you say would would you agree with that that piece is that then we would just look at our overall M budget and make decisions going into the next school year if we knew we had to do something once you know you have to do I mean it's just like any in your personal finances once you know you have to repair that roof at your own home okay well I can't go and buy this other item that I was planning on doing so it does affect though as a district we receive a a bottom line where those funds go ultimately if we need to transfer some possible budget for M that normally sustains our salaries and benefits and now we're really you know it's

071tough in capital we do need to shift over during those years when I showed you the allocations we were getting from the state and we're only getting a million and a half well that's what funds our facility Renovations that's what funds if we need to put a new engine in a bus that's what funds software licenses for education so the Chromebooks all those types of things we were not going to be able to do that with $1.4 million so what we had to do in those years is take our maintenance and operations budget and shift transfer some of that funding budget capacity into Capital which what that means is now you don't have enough to really sustain possible salary increases and things like like that so you're still just given a final amount how you

072allocate it is going to be based on what your immediate need is to the question regarding air conditioning when I was talking about chillers and and Towers this picture here is showing uh the cooling towers uh Simon Springs was replaced just recently they're just finishing the project up right now so that's up and running that was covered under s sfb uh that actually took I think a little over a year so it to get to prove once we filled out the application so that's just finishing um Marley Park we were just talking about this is kind of showing the two chillers that are inside the central plant so it's in a central air area which is getting pumped to every unit building um this one the one on the right is the one that's still

073running the one on the left is right now currently not running and then I we broke down the cost Renovations for the one screen uh HVAC to replace a cooling tower in an elementary it's estimated about $460,000 and we have 10 sites that need placed uh over and we say that over when you look at that chart over over the next five years as we see it be um and just so you can look at the chart here and you can match up that way if you're having questions about specific schools okay sorry Todd to interrupt that no no problem thank you very much um replacing uh two uh chillers at a high school is um 1.6 million we have one school currently that we need to replace the children killers that that would be

074diart I think it's a willow yeah Will can I apologize Todd um can you explain the difference between a chiller and a cooling tower uh the difference is is the cooling tower is is going to be cooling down is is typical air conditioning it's it's Freon inside and it's cooling down the the air the cooling towers are cooling down physically the chill to keep it running correct correct um sorry uh back up a apologize for that plumbing uh a lot of these buildings uh we running into the 2015 to 20 year mark where we need to replace the water heaters on campus um right now the water heaters to replace they're usually two to one water heater depending on the size of the school um to replace is about 20 to $50,000 to redo it

075if there the one water heater it's it's usually about 80 gallon water heater depending on everything is depending on the size of the school and these are all estimates per right now uh floring yes dier has I think used esos or approached esos before like performance energy Contracting have you guys tried to approach them for this stuff or is it doesn't pencil or for performance energy contracts you you've used them before or you've right yeah so we have had other uh piece I know we currently had the energy management system we've had performance energy contracts so we have some of those that um you know and it does get paid off kind of like do this work too it's hard to pencil I know yeah so I mean there's some that you could look at

076other financing sources um if you have a specific amount you don't you don't want to go too high on some of those financing sources because they usually incur higher interest rates than than a bond might typically do all right understood thanks and I think those I think those points are well taken because we have to always be looking at other alternatives to it um as well and I think you know uh finding other ways to you know we're trying to find cost Sav along the way as well U some of the things too is that we don't really get into is that you start talking about some of the new some of these new you know HVAC air conditioning they they run better and they're you know more efficient and so you're seeing a lot

077more Savings in that way that's not re why we're bringing it to you but there are elements that will come up as well even as talking about the types of equipment as you start to replace all back up to Mechanical to make a good point what we're trying to do on a on a couple sites for instance Marley Park is uh replacing both the chillers and the towers with air cooled systems so it's a it's one unit it would be two units that work together so if one goes down one's there for backup um that's what we're working on so that's what we're working with the engineers on and getting the to replace both of those so it's just not the Chillers um go back to flooring uh the cost here for removing polishing for

078an elementary estimated about $300,000 per school there's 17 schools uh polishing the high school is 450,000 there's three schools that still need to be done and explain a little let's talk about that a little bit too with flooring and carpet and what we're why why we're saying polished floor versus that so that CU I'm sure there's going to be some questions um we're working toward like everything is is pulling the carpet up uh cleaning it and a lot of the hi traffic areas going to call solid concrete instead of going carpet where areas we're in classrooms if it needs to we do the carpet Square so it's an easy maintenance on that aspect and the reason why and some of you are going to asked the question we we just recently redid some areas at

079uh small areas at Riverview carpet's coming up when we start have aged carpet it starts to come up the cost of replacing carpet is much more expensive and so uh one of the Alternatives that many places are going to and especially when you'll see a lot of buildings that are designed this way is they'll go more to a polished concrete because it's an easier care and that's longevity so what you're doing is you're going to save money in the long run when you go that direction because also you're not going to have to replace anything in that point the concrete's forever it's not everybody's favorite but it is the more coste efficient way to do it and you would and some of these what we're seeing is is that as we're going in some of

080these classrooms some of these buildings we're seeing carpet start to come up and obviously becomes tripping hazards things like that that was partly my question so the classrooms would be concrete we'd be moving to a carpetless classroom then correct okay so when you're talking about the high schools the polishing of the floors it's not just classrooms you're also talking the gym areas POS the basketball courts and stuff polishing all that stuff inside you're just talking main hallways in in each building in each classroom and not correct we're only talking about hallways and classrooms common areas we have had gyms at the K8 levels that's a different issue when the laminate floorings have went bad a new wood floor is extremely expensive and we have not went that direction because we can't we can't afford to

081replace one of those especially you know if a floor when and it happens over time they start to come up they warp things like that some of the older ones out there um at these at K8 schools at a high school you've got it we we we have to maintain a wood floor uh in those gymnasiums any more questions on this slide for Waring or uh we'll go into Roofing Roofing repairs and replacements for an elementary school is about $500,000 uh to a million dollars to repair we have 11 elementary schools that need it um so we're estimating apologize um you're looking at the elementary side right here the roofing side to it if you'll see the the cost up there the reason and we went conservative side on that remember if you're talking about

082an entire Roofing I don't know if you guys saw it Valley Vista what's recently happened there is that roofing project that's not you know just you know $500,000 over there that's you're talking about a few million dollars at Valley Vista s 7.6 million to 7.6 million in order to Place All Roofing at valy Vista High School that was an F sfb project as as far as I understood part of it part of part of it and then the district was involved with the other funding I think Mary Dell could probably speak more specifically the the roofing side to it is is that obviously Roofing is going to have to be redone over time some of it's repair some of it's less expensive some of it's going to be more expensive but a lot of times

083it's it's no different than you think about when houses get reshingled or redone it's a no different when they come in they read you know you're talking about the buildings as the over time and you're try you know you guys know as well I do living in Arizona the elements of how our roofs hold up so that's one of the reasons why we wanted to be very upfront on that piece but at 11 schools it's a roughly around 7.7 million is a is an estimate to what we believe in getting those done over the next five years then weatherization uh paint and ceiling of the schools uh the costs are about 300 Mill 300 ,000 a piece there's 15 schools estimated about 4.5 million weatherization to a high school $700,000 um total is 5.9 just

084to weatherize and seal the high schools and again this is a outre to fiveyear plan and so when you look at that one again I don't know if you guys have questions on that but that really gets into the care of your outside building facility um painting a large facility like that um and then when we don't paint when you don't provide paints to a facility over time and you guys would you know you understand that element when you see that it's not just for appearance it has to do with the care for that building and what's going to you know what's going to deteriorate over time I don't want to get into the MW or other things like that but things start to happen within facilities when you don't provide those types of care

085it's it's giving you where those schools are at and what the estimated time would be to to actually bring those up it's a few schools have been painted you look at the weatherization on here some of them have been and then we have many that are sitting out there that are going to be coming due now as well some of them we do have under you know we turned in applications to sfb and some other organizations we just wa it on hold right now sfb and'll go back to that sfb right now is uh kind of holding off on weatherproof andless it's an absolute emergency that's what they're currently um freezer and walk-in installations uh we each one we have um nine schools that currently need new Walkins or 170,000 a piece uh for both

086freezer and refrigerator so that price is for both together installed uh total renovation cost we're looking for is about $28 Million Just For Those line items for repairs currently that we are on that spreadsheet that we're in need of age of the schools next slide do you have any more questions on the renovations of the schools uh the next slide we're looking into uh adding two new locations for Shadow Ridge High School and Willow Canyon High School um both locations because of the distance between where the fields are and where the the facilities are is a little bit of a walk if anybody's been to any one of the schools yeah you can right so we are looking into currently adding two new facilities in two different locations on the uh each campus there um

087and we ALS and I want to let you know too if and I know Patrick's on the campus those of you have been on Willow's campus what we do right now to accommodate forward I don't say accommodate but just the worst way to put it but I'm just going to be very up front is that those are we we end up with with u porta potties out in those areas for people to use otherwise you know we expect them we do we I mean I know that's just a natural element but we you know we do have an we do direct people to use the restrooms and have make sure they're open in those areas um and uh you know walk along those sidewalks to get them um current Community restroom facilities the uh one

088restroom facility and concession stand at Shadow Ridge we're estimated $6 million the restroom facility concession stands at Willow Canyon $7 million tell them those are so high Todd uh it's it's mainly the sewer locations because of the locations of the new facilities where we like to put them is the sewer lines they are very far away so it's going to take a lot to get a sewer line Water and Electric are closer hardest one uh we also looking into renovation of restrooms and concession stands that uh diart high school and facilities at Vista verie updating what's at those two locations estimated cost for those for the high schools is $15 million we wanted to bring this forward to show that element of what you know because I there was plans uh when those schools were

089constructed but uh you know and that could have just been because of the budget and those things were not put in place at the time um but we wanted to very much bring that forward just to say hey that was on the table I thought we thought that was fair for this committee to at least present that forward because we did hear it we also you know in some of the conversations out there and then also like derer high school um there was there was mentioning um at one of our previous brainstorming about the the the bathrooms and the condition so we did make sure we provided an estimate as far as that goes for a renovation might be for Mary Dell just a question that since we do we're pretty much wrenching the Porta

090parties for every games whether it's football baseball or what not because there are no facilities what is that average cost compared to what we're going to be paying for building a new one as far as how much do we pay annually for renting the portapotty um I can look at that right now I have the I have the general leder system some let me look at that I'll get back to you that that is a good I I don't know what that because it's out there all the time so there must be something that we we'll we'll find out so just uh just an update and I'm speaking just for shout out because I'm obviously one of the coaches out there as well but currently the porta-potties after football season they all got picked up

091so Sports continue to run soccer fallball baseball other programs and and schools other communi needs if you will come out and use them Community Ed things like that middle schools currently there are no porta-potties at that location they've all been picked up so they're only there part of the Year during football season primarily and some other times they get picked up currently right now we have zero so that long walk that I'm talking about I'm actually going to measure it and bring you guys back a number that is a long walk and I've also we've played at Willow Canyon several times that's a very long distance and when you talk about grandparents and some other folks that don't maybe move as good as others we've literally gotten to the point where we'll during games we'll

092actually bring golf carts down to shuttle people back and forth if necessary we don't have to do that but we do it because we understand the burden that that could put on them so we are going above and beyond to get to that but it's still a long distance so this is a very big need thank you very much anybody have any other questions on the uh restrooms uh we're also proposing an upgrade of the auditorium it's one of the oldest auditoriums that we have in the district and it's currently original um we're up we're looking into updating the LED light to all the lights St all the actual stage lights and everything else to LEDs uh seating rigging which is curtains so forth and um the new psych which we do not have whoop

093sorry we do not have there the walls actually painted white um paint new painting in the building flooring and electrical estimating $5 million again an item that was brought up in if if you'll recall in our brainstorming session and so we wanted to make sure that we um we did some work on that and found out you know if you're gutting a building like that what is that inv evolve and um so you know an approximate cost we talking about a renovation and we're making a we're making an an estimate there and we looked at each of those pieces so that's one of the things I asked Todd to do is to is to give me some pricing to that element and that's what we came up with so the total we're looking for renovations

094that we need for facilities is $48 million on Renovations for that spread sheet that I gave you for all the repairs for the rization and Roofing and so forth and the renovations of the bathrooms and the auditorium just so I'm clear that 48 million oh that that assumes that sfb picks up nothing is that right thank you okay that is absolutely correct and and and ask asking about sfb we we purposely did it that way only because of the fluctuation we wanted to make sure it was fair to present it that way to you guys in that capacity but obviously that could be considered by the committee to say hey we you know if that was something to say hey we got to depend on that a little bit so we understand that and just

095following up on the question um to the vendor at specific across the district we spent about $20,000 on on those facilities but specifically at Willow Canyon it was about 6,000 last year that we paid I wanted to provide a full Year's amount so what's that number yeah 6,00 $5,999 182 yes question sorry I just have a question I noticed that Mountain View wasn't on here is are they not needing any facility updates Mountain View Elementary Middle School well I think that's a good a good question and I don't know if it got if it got cut off of there on the on the sheet we're not giving Mountain View any money no um I apologize We Will We Will what we'll do is uh when we send the minutes out we'll add Mountain View to

096the uh the chart I know that I'm not going to speak for it right now without me be able to see it and it's funny how you go through this that we had the whole we have a whole other document that outlines each cost of everything that was we were trying to summarize this for you guys but we do have that piece on there so we'll make sure it's on there so you can see it thank you for pointing that out to us yes thank you very much apolog thank you all right um and I think that's it so we're gonna actually we're gonna move on to our next presentation thank you Todd we're going to bring uh uh Jason forward this is our next item and uh Mr jger is going to be providing

097his presentation on the safety portions we had a long discussion in here before and there's uh uh some specifics to that and it should be addressing and obviously you guys brainstormed a lot so please ask your questions to Mr Jagger thank you cool well good to see everybody a couple familiar faces so that's nice and uh I too wore my holiday sweater it's indicative of what I got for Christmas last year which was coal um we're going to run through this I I get it that um safety's like that buzzword of the the last few years you know obviously for good reasons and so forth but I wanted to spend some time just kind of giving some insight onto why we picked the items that we did um what we do for safety through the

098district right now and kind of how we see that going forward um I know that a lot of times you hear things like you can't put a price on the safe of our you know our kids and our staff and so forth but unfortunately vendors can and and they do right and so that still leaves us with that gap of figuring out okay well how do we spend the money that we have or can get and so forth and what does that look like and and I'll get into some of the other points but I think is how do how do we sustain that as well and so we'll get into some of that um some of the reasoning the rationale that we go into and you know there's there's tons of groups like this

099hopefully some of these look familiar to you um for instance I know in one of the uh board meetings uh both this year and last year we talked about past it's the partner Alliance for safe schools uh it's actually a a large organization Nationwide that has a a checklist like lots of people do on the types of things that you could be doing to make sure that your schools are safe uh at that time we talked about the fact that uh there's about four tiers and you know the majority of our items are in that tier two tier three and then why we wouldn't do some tier fours and so forth again the whole point is is that we we look at all these things we try to say all right can we do more

100what are we doing is it it effective uh and then go from there and so when you look at most of these if you go back in your research you can kind of see that we we hit the mark on a lot of things obviously again there's opportunities for uh onetime money and and opportunities to make things better uh but this is in general some of the starting points uh that we utilize when trying to determine uh what we can and can't do for safety some of the other things I start to think about too is you know a lot of things uh these last couple years everybody's going into subscription based um programs and projects and equipment and all that and I really dislike that obviously you know it's great for onetime money when

101you can implement it but if you can't sustain it 10 years down the road because it gets too expensive to continue to pay those subscription fees then what exactly are you buying and so again I know that it's easier said than done to stay away from uh those but we try to do some of that we try to look at things that aren't overhead uh heavy uh again we already have Staffing shortages to implement some type of program that requires an extra 15 to 20 people to run it just doesn't really make sense for our district uh and then obviously as well I think sometimes you know less is more right when we hold our employees accountable when we hold our community accountable uh when we are doing the right things at the right times

102uh you know there's a lot of very easy things to do to make sure that things are safe one of the things we always talk about about our our lockd door policy and culture is that again it's fantastic right I can buy a door that has a iris scanner on it and you know fingerprint and all that stuff but then somebody goes around and leaves it open then what good did it do right and so so those are the types of things that we also need to consider to look out as well and we want to make sure that the community understands that we're looking to be responsible with any of the money that we might get for these projects and then layered approach right the harder that we make it we talked about I'll

103get in these next couple slides here you know we hardened our um our front offices we did some window covering things like that obviously keeping doors locked Gates locked the harder we make it for somebody to come in and harm us the the better right and so sometimes again it's not something extremely robust it's just you slow them down enough or somebody uh confronts them any of those stages in the game and we can prevent something that would be serious um so just again a real touch on some of the things that we've done and one of the big ones that's not up here is the um the SRO grants that we obtained through ad last year and the SSO grants that we obtained through ad this year uh and obviously those are ongoing for

104a few years and hopefully beyond that depending on what funding looks like um but just some of the key points on where we started and kind of where we're building from and then we'll get into um you know I believe you guys already got these on a previous uh presentation just things that we uh originally last year year before kind of things that we thought about that would be uh good ideas as far as moving safety forward and so then what I'll do here in the next few slides is talk about what that would look like how we would get to those those different things um and then there's a couple of them we'll touch on uh that we may already have solutions for and then obviously we'll have uh opportunity for questions on maybe

105why some things didn't make this list or or what other things we might be able to consider um so you know one of the things that we struggle with is is the maintenance yards uh the gates there and the part of the reason I say struggle is because there's just a lot of activity that goes in and out of there obviously maintenance um we have um all of our vendors that are delivering for for food services for um you know any of our supplies are getting dropped off and so forth and so we we end up having a balance do we give out keys to people who aren't um background checked that are working for some other company that are now accessing our our facilities and dropping stuff off and what does that look like

106you know do we have enough staff to open and close Gates every time something shows up uh do we have a system in place to where we could quickly access that key back if for some reason that person got in trouble and so so we talk about automatic uh gate openers I think it's uh it's a really important sector to this we see those left open a lot uh especially like even right now during the day if you don't know uh we leave them closed but uh unlocked because again we don't have enough staff to go open the gates every time somebody needs to drop something off or um there's a lot of reasons I won't get into it but currently that's the status uh and then obviously they're locked um all night long and

107through the weekends and holidays and things like that but having a system that would allow us to uh quickly identify we one of our camera projects uh from this year is's going to put them on all those Gates as well so we'd be able to see who's coming use a card reader or use some type of automated system that's what this would pay for okay so the approximate cost and this is for all schools yes ma'am and now that doesn't include future maintenance of these things that you will break down correct yeah we had a actually we did a discussion about a week or so ago we did put a little bit of a buffer in there to to account for that extended warranties and some costs but ultimately that cost would end up on

108on maintenance at some point in the future yes ma'am um next one is just kind of standardizing our key card system um we don't have a lot of key cards in our district we still have a lot of keys um you know sometimes that's a good thing sometimes it's a bad thing um but um of what we do have uh they're not necessarily all running on the same system uh and so this would be just uh enough to um get all them standard on the same software system the same Hardware um there's several different vendors that um pay for or I'm sorry that uh that install the the different mechanisms that have it open close go during a fire drill all all all those different things there two or three companies that do that and

109right now um we would like to get those all on the same platform so that way we can easily manipulate those doors uh remotely or just on on campuses in general um one of the things I put on there is that obviously would be fantastic to have card Ros on every door I think that's unrealistic at this point in time and just on a very low um cost basis it's you know about 18 million if if if I did my math right and so that's why something like this where we're just standardizing what we currently have uh for one million might maybe a littleit more pable uh the next thing would be is again looking at those areas throughout the district that maybe could benefit from um a card access on their exterior doors I'm

110thinking mostly uh for high schools but there's a lot of K8 and uh K4 applicability as well but right now in a lockdown obviously all of our doors uh interior for classrooms are locked and we expect those to be uh closed and so forth but you'll notice on the high school all of those exterior doors that lead to those buildings likely aren't locked because they're left open for passing periods for kids to go to bathroom all those different things and so in this particular model we have security guards that are trying to either go quickly lock those teachers or what have you and obviously that's not a safe uh situation for that staff either and so by again looking at those opportunities to add some uh some remote capabilities uh that's what this particular uh

111slide is about um we've I mean we're all human and we've lost a lot of keys over the years um lost stolen you know just don't you brok just don't know where they're at and so I don't have the exact timeline on when the last time we re keed the district was but to my loose research it's at least 15 to 20 years or Beyond uh so we're well overdue for a Rey a complete Rey uh and this is the approximate cost for that um and so again when you think about that possible 18 million to do key cards and so forth I still think there's a lot of value in Keys uh if the system's done properly um and maintained and tracked and all those different things and obviously a lot cheaper um one

112of the things that we've come across several times in uh the last couple school years that I've been a part of and and maybe it's not high frequency but it's definitely um high stress for the parents that don't know what happened to their kid when they got off the bus or didn't get on the bus or got off the wrong stop all those different things um so um we were looking at a a student management system and uh what I want to make sure that I'm really clear on because it's been labeled different things uh it's not a tracking system it's basically um let's just say I had a laser uh that went across here and so when I cross that path it now puts me in that zone right and then as soon as

113I come back out of that zone I cross it again it just knows that I crossed it doesn't know where I am within that zone or if I never entered that zone it just knows that I either got on the bus and then got off or I'm still on or never got on in the first place and so we look at systems like that that can help us and there is an opport opportunity to expand this into schools as well but for right now I think uh with the existing systems that we have on our buses we can Implement that fairly quickly um obviously with $427,000 plus or minus and um give us a very good uh opportunity to know again our kids getting home after they've left our our our um supervision at the

114schools uh and again as you can see it could easily be expanded to you offense each campus if you wanted to do that uh but we we're starting small with the schools uh this is one of the items it's very low cost after we started doing some research and I believe I've got a solution for this uh that we'll probably take care of this year uh there is an ongoing cost for it and there are other products out there that are a little bit more robust at the end of the day we're currently using clipboards to trct visitors when they come in and out of our campuses clearly not the best we can do um and so uh this was just one of the solutions that we found for this particular um problem uh it

115basically does a sex offender check it checks against any of the um flags that we have in our system as far as custody is concerned or certain pickups or anything like that um prints out a a sticker with your your face on it uh tracks it little uh Flags come off if he've been on campus for too long just little extra things that we clearly can't do with a a clipboard that we're well behind the timeline um just like with our uh control access with our key card readers we have multiple vendors who provide us lockdown systems and uh emergency response systems um currently because of the age of our systems um we're kind of being I don't know equipment out phased out on on one of those two vendors uh they're asking us to

116move to a different uh process we're more of an analog system right now with a lot of wires and things that have been run uh clearly the future is digital uh but the cost to transition to digital is is Extreme uh our other vendor actually has a dual system that's both an analog and a digital and allows us to use our a lot of our existing parts and is just as good if not better uh so I would like to again see standardization across that to see all the systems work the same way no matter where you're at kids should know this is what it sounds like when I I need to evacuate this is what it sounds like when I need to lock down and same thing for parents and staff uh no where

117no matter where you are on our campus we'd like to see that operate the same uh and have them function properly um this one's I don't want to use the word arbitrary because that's not a good word but um you can see I I I pulled out two very specific projects that we know exist um I know that as you go around the district um just for instance over here at Freedom there's a a chain link fence that's just to the south of the maintenance yard and it's you know it locks that's great but it's got like a four foot hole at the bottom you just you know go underneath and uh you know we've got that at a few different locations I know that the maintenance gate at Simon's the same way and so

118um haven't done specific research to know exactly what fencing needs would be required at each site but you can see that just looking at the two examples that are up there for instance Surprise Elementary they have an East wall that runs along a um a trailer park and uh They Don't Really maintenance their wall very well it falls down we're constantly trying to repair it paint it patch it all those different things um and so you know having our own boundary wall in that particular instance would cost us about $80,000 certainly if we're able to find that we would do that um Marley park has some some sections same way you can either walk over it or walk under it um because they have a different different type of fence uh around their perimeter uh

119it's a little bit more costly but that's that cost only represents about 60 to 70% of their actual fence line uh and it's you know $225,000 on so very quickly if you went to every campus and probably looked at a two or 300 section foot of of fence or did some repairs rust all those upgrades uh we could get to those numbers um also uh considering um you know things like do we do we fence parking lots do we do we make those uh better you know one of the things that we've been trying to do over the last couple years is encourage uh single point of entry and because our campuses are so open uh that gets very difficult and so again fencing some of those things allows us to really kind of push

120that single point entry uh so I think that this one to two is actually probably on the low side uh but because I didn't have specific numbers for every campus I left it at that um again just kind of goes back to consistency and making sure that uh First Responders or anybody that needs to come to our campuses can get to where they need to go quickly and know where they're going and how to get there um it's just something that all of the fire departments end up doing they do mapping of our buildings um however uh you know they do that when the schools built if there's any changes or layouts or or different things like that those need to be updated over time currently the district is not really have any of these

121Maps we rely on First Responders to provide those for us but in this particular instance here uh there's some bleed over between um you know our planning uh through Kevin our maintenance through Todd uh if we were able to uh map all of our current buildings uh as they exist now uh they have interactive where you can pull it up you can see the room you can do a rotate you can do all those different things but beyond that it's also labeling right and so one of the things that First Responders have asked us is like that's great we we like being in schools we like walking around and knowing the layouts but then I get in a classroom and yes I knew what door I was in when I walked in but I turn

122around I can't I can't remember is it 5113 or is it you know 315 whatever it is and so this is labeling the inside and outside of every door this is putting ada8 uh compliant and uh you know like reflective material on all the exterior doors so if I was to go in Building C uh you know East Room 2 whatever it is right and the First Responders behind me all they have to do is look for building SE East Room 2 and all those things are are are labeled out for him just the other day I was I was trying to get some information for Todd and I'm like oh yeah I'm pretty sure that's Building C and then I go over to will I'm like no it's not it's it's actually that you

123know and it's but it's hard to see them right I don't know if you guys have been to the campuses and yes we have a nice big you know letter or number up there but a lot of times they're not in advant advantageous places they covered by trees uh and so there's this is a new better system that allows us to do that uh the other thing is that you'll see on here is that there's an emergency management Suite it's another one of those subscription things that I'm not extremely excited about uh but there's some opportunities to do that one time get the mapping done get the labeling done uh you know you don't necessarily have to continue that program beyond that but it does have a hefty 180 up front um again I'm sure

124for those of you who have been on our campuses and just in our different neighborhoods we see that there's a lot of challenges with cell phone uh coverage with uh internet and so forth and our it does put a lot of boosters and so forth in to make sure that all our Chromebooks and so forth work properly but um again I'm still seeing a lot of issues especially at these particular sites um you go into Kingswood with a cell phone and good luck it's you know it's not happening right um Mountain has got some touchy spots at Sante because of it its location um so anyways uh those particular boosters aren't overly expensive but we do have needs uh throughout the district to make those better and I think this probably one of the last

125two so the communication systems this one of the things we talked with our security guards here recently um you know over the years schools have bought their own radios whether it's you know 10 of them 20 of them whatever it is and they' bought it with the funds that they had available at the time with whatever radio that I thought was you know most functional at the time but we don't have a single solution for the entire District so if at District something you know horrendous went down and we needed every school to know about it uh the only way to do is you know send an email send a text start calling people phone treat things like that obviously when um Towers start to get um uh overwhelmed with calls from the community and

126so forth we need other mechanisms that we can communicate and you know radio ends up kind of solving that need in a lot of ways we do have some challenges being that the radius of our uh distri is over 100 miles and so um that radio solution is still going to be difficult as far as needing repeaters and those different things uh but again I think having a single Source system uh that every will have a channel deck and you know every we'll know that you know shadow gets eight channels you know and k8's get four channels whatever is whole comprehensive system um I think would be beneficial and then lastly um you know this isn't necessarily an absolute need but but um again when we look at one-time uh opportunities uh the fire department

127came in and just like with our uh lockdown systems realize that they're all old and uh and not necessarily failing but they're probably going to be phased out in the next year or two and so the recommendation from the fire department is that we started to replace those found out that they're about $250,000 per panel uh and so obviously that's something that would either take us a long time to do uh one school at a time over the course of several years um or have this onetime bulk opportunity here um again I'm not great at math my wife's the accountant so hopefully she can double check these numbers for me um there's a range because of the one to two million on the fencing and then also taking out the ongoing costs versus the one-time

128costs um I you know I I hate to say this but I mean I mean I could spend $ hundred million doar but that's not the point right again the point is you know what's what's most functional what's our immediate needs what are the things that I think are going to be the best bang for our book which is also not a good term for safety um but you know our our our most highest chance for Success on that um but not discounting our policies or procedures and our culture that we need to continue to build at our district so um questions on safety can you just tell me what like a little bit more about what the fire panel is and what that upgrade or replacement like yeah so the fire panel is is

129that it's this it's this big box that's typically in the front office or nearby and it's it's just every single room that has a smoke detector every hallway and it just anytime that something goes off that's where they go to to figure out where those alerts come from and so it's it's that wiring that runs everywhere throughout the campus and that's what really drives up the cost I I can go to Home Depot and get you a panel for 500 bucks but it's it's putting it in that's the the cost yeah you guys are taking it easy on [Music] me well I will back out [Laughter] slowly all right thank you Mr Jagger yes I we know we knew that it was going to be a heavy night actually the last two uh meetings have

130been heavy information so um you know that's uh was a chance for us to see um exactly what those you know what the types of items things that were brainstormed in here we wanted to be very upfront in that element of of get you some good cost to that of you know all the items that were were placed on our flip chart so we went back studied those and made sure to bring that information in um this really brings us to our uh our fourth item on really a summary uh to the to the bond and override piece and and I will say that obviously we went over you know uh Mary Dell went over override with us and where we're at you know on the calendar for that uh we saw the survey side

131to that you know and and what they would ask related to that to get information the bond is a little bit more you know a little bit more in depth with that piece because obviously there was some questions obviously you can do on the survey we saw all the items of presentations related to that um and now we're talking about really the the summary of that so I'm going to I'm going to let maryell speak to that um at the end what we really need is is to to hear some some thoughts and discussion uh this is not a decision and action item this is really we need to hear collectively from the group uh some suggestion on what do you think based on what we heard from from Paul earlier of the the the

132uh the amount that we would even put on that survey uh to get a to get a good gauge a and so I'll let maryell speak to what we have currently what we've presented to you and then you guys can add to that thank you Craig so um just briefly I mean this is just a recap between the last two meetings the previous one and tonight's and so if you recall the bus Replacements was replacing those various buses to get us to update the Aging Fleet um just that amount that we presented this included both regular education and special education it didn't include activity buses it did not include activity buses and so um when we reviewed that information if you recall that was about 17 million and that would just get us to um

133replace those that are 15 years or older that would just get us up to up to current standards um the new K8 school as mentioned uh last time and then just again Revisited today the next two um you know 35 million and and 10 million so when we're looking at that bottom line the question earlier was is a high school completely separate and yes so this doesn't even account for constructing a new high school this would just be poisoning the district in in a manner in order to you know look at that towards the future this would just be to secure the land so that is something that you consider in the future facility Renovations was discussed by Todd tonight so that included um the 28 million I believe was the amount that we um

134discussed as far as the high priority renovation needs the that included the chillers cooling towers flooring Roofing weatherization Etc and then in addition that included the 15 million on the various restroom facilities that were identified as a high need as well as a 5 million for the DHS Auditorium upgrade on the Safety and Security is just what Mr jger presented right now so that would be the um full amount for all the various projects that he identified bringing our total to about $127 million um so that is the amounts hopefully we've provided enough data and detail um have been able to answer your question on that it is a figure that I feel like we've been able to provide sufficient detail and rationale on on where we're getting that figure from it's not a number

135that just kind of came out of nowhere I think we've been able to break down specifically a lot of these and so I think this is a time for the committee to have that conversation and see just in all of the presentations you've been provided what stands out as a high need is that amount reasonable on what we presented as being a high need or there's some items that maybe need to take a back seat so kind of opening it up for committee discussion at this point and I just one other piece I wanted to add to it is that as we work through the process it was very important to us that we took exactly what was shared in here and then we put cost to it and we presented just very transparently this

136is what if you went exactly what was all on the list here it is that that obviously is always up for debate you know and so what we're doing here tonight is really not saying hey this is the amount we're going on this is a chance for you guys to offer some opinions to what do you think we should say to the community what do you think that number that if you ask that in a question what should you do and so we'd like to hear those thoughts to that because I think it's really important 127 the bottom line that 127 million would be over that's total need right now but in theory spread over five years you said or what's what's the time frame for that M so typically bonds are repaid out over

137or paid out over another about 15 to 20 years is the repayment structure on those so when you let's say you're authorized to sell up to $127 million bonds then usually they have series of bonds that you sell kind of in chunks and so that's what usually you use to to um fund your various projects But ultimately then it's just like a mortgage you may have received the funds in order to go purchase it but now you do have a repayment process and that's about usually about 15 to 20 million or 15 to 20 years is the standard average for school districts to pay those back okay so here's my two cents and this is just my perspective I just want everybody to keep in mind the election in 2023 we just had it and

138by the way this is great work all this is good I want to remind everyone that Lichfield Bond passed by 76 votes Alaia Bond barely passed okay now dier is doing a much better work in construction of the bonds much more transparent in construction of the bonds than Lichfield and Alla fre ever did those bonds barely passed barely my I'm reading the Tea Leaves of the community it gets really hard to pass I think it gets hard to pass this Bond if it goes over 100 the further above 100 million it goes the more difficult it is for these voters to pull a trigger that's just my thought that's just where I'm looking at the voters out there in the West Valley um so just keep that in mind again that's just my perspective but

139the further we go above 100 million the more difficult politically it might be for voters to pull the trigger on this so all right thank you and just for context just um have the the results on the election so Lichfield Elementary there they did ask for a $100 million Bond it did pass 50.2% and then um I FAS was 197 million and it passed 51.5% so very close uh AAA was 197 million pass with a 51.5% yes and Lichfield was 100 million P 50.2% yes a absolutely and I think that that it that information is needed the other part um I just wanted to remind everybody because I thought it was really important what Paul said earlier because it'd be nice to say when he said well how about 90 how about 100 how about

140it'd be nice actually but obviously that's not you you can't you can't play that game because and he explained that and I don't want to get back into that but I think that that's why we're saying that what number based on the two figure three figure I think is a really important point for the group to consider I think for me like all of these are key points and it just seems like they all came due at the same time so it's not like we could push it off four five whatever like they all just came do at once and I don't feel like we can get around like we need this for the kids like I don't feel like we can get around this is just it just came do all at once not

141not like years good point I think something too where D is unique is when we look back at that timeline of when we were going through the hyper growth we built them all at the same time so when you're now at the 1520 year it's all at the same time yep um I also think about one of the first meetings where we talked about the budgets for all of the other school districts and how dart's done a very good job of paying off their bonds now I think the money here is great and it would be great to get the high school land I don't know if there's a representative here for Sante but I know eventually they are they are going to need a high school and you know getting the land is one

142thing but if it means if they can't get the the the you know the money for what are they going to do pay for more buses to ship them so I think I honestly don't have an issue because you're right everything is coming due we have to get all of this paid for but I think maybe even pushing it so that there's enough money to make sure that there is a high school and I I was going over the notes from the LA I was didn't see the last Mee but I saw how much growth there is in a Sante so I think that making sure that there is a high school up there would be a priority so I did talk to the principal at the assanti school I do live up there land

143is going real quick up there so there's not much that's left there to be purchased so now would be the time to buy the high school land she's also concerned with the k through eight on Elementary I don't know if it's passed through the school committee yet the um the re bordering of the um of the schools that they are overflowing with the k through eight um in that school they do need another school and within five years it's not like the high school's going to be built or the elementary school's going to be built in six months it's going to take time so the Band-Aid fix is only a Band-Aid fix until everyone has moved in the development and everything else um and the buses I think they need that too because they are

144going a long distance to get up we actually they do have students in the Whitman area so down 60 so they're even picking up people that far so um I think that everything on here um should be on here um you know as for pricing I mean you guys came up with the pricing so it's nothing I don't think that we can really negotiate with on on how to pick it unless we're taking something off of this list and I want to yeah Patrick I'll bring it over to you just a quick couple comments to those pieces um the the uh the boundary uh piece is being is being proposed and looked at very closely right now as as far as that element so there is movement because of the overflowing of a Sante Preparatory

145um and you're correct in that piece I I did I'm going to go and interject this part right now on January 20th I think you open the door for me on that one but on January 20th is a Saturday that we're going to be sending you the information on is our morning uh field trip day that we're going to send all the committee members meeting here getting on a bus I will tell you that right now we have planned to go see the buses we want to show you our bus fleet we want to take you to the auditorium at daer high school we want to show you the failing uh chillers at Marley um we want to show the walk at Willow we would go to Shadow 2 but we just feel like you

146know we're we're we're strategizing and and I think you know there's other pictures I think you measuring it will be great information to announce on the bus and then um and then we're going to go we're going to do a little bit of a we're going to show you what it's like to get up to Assante and that field trip from Willow to Assante you're going to get to see that from that area and you're going to get to see some of the areas around Asante um as our field trip so a couple hours to do that and then back here to get everybody on their you know so it's a it's a we basically have it set up is around 3 to three and a half hours fulltime total to make sure it's and

147uh and we'll take care of everybody in that day but wanted to mention that I also wanted a second thing is I wanted to mention that um you know things that I you know when I when I was working with with uh Mr blutter on the pricing of elements he he kind of looked at me each time I said how much stuff cost he's like yeah yeah well you know much cost is going up because we all know with what's happened in the construction industry and the in you know how much that's inflated but we know that we we didn't we're not presenting it that way to you guys though we're showing you what the cost is as best we can and being as conservative as we can with the cost you know we could

148on there the only one other comment I wanted to make too is that again we're not making a decision and so it it it could be it could be advantageous as I'm hearing some people talking here um and I know we still have more comments to get to if you if if you put the money on the survey that's low and you get a great response that's the number you WR if you a little bit more of the crystal ball and I don't know is if you put the money up there higher and on the survey you don't get as good results but you still want you know you're like we still got to do this does that give you indication to go lower so I'm I'm thinking along those lines of how that might

149be perceived so it's just something to consider okay so you're literally segueing what I was going to mention so I was thinking the same thing here's my question to the to the committee members what are you going to take off that list right which is kind of what we were getting at I'm G to just speaking for me just Pat that everything on there is important I mean there's literally every single briefing we got there's not a single one where I'm like now yeah I mean that could probably wait there just really isn't everything's coming to at once I think a reasonable voter if you will will get that I think they're going to understand and when I'm hearing the numbers from maridell and other about how much they were asking for yes they barely

150passed but at the same time I do agree that we're putting together we're doing a good job putting this whole thing together I mean hats off for the the research behind this and the detailed agenda I just wish there was a way that they could take what we've all seen and each individual voters say dig this and here and then they have oh okay now I get it as opposed to you know just a a quick little short overview so personal opinion me I think everything's on there is necessary I get the number over the 100 million thing I do agree with that but at the same time I think it's easy to understand the growth and how much we're exploding around here I think that 127 number is is a decent number all things

151considered Pat's opinion I have a question in regards to how much information um the community actually received because we've seen an abundant amount of information what are we able to share with the Comm community in terms of what we've learned because everyone is not going to be at a board meeting to get the information so how does that information go about getting out to the community it was funny you were saying that because I'm hearing over here we can can we get can we get our our yes our our public relations and Ryan's genius to make uh uh to make us a commercial I one one thing aspect is is that there's this this meeting is obviously being streamed any information you have you have the right to share okay that's one part of it

152um I think that's something that we will take back um and I think it's something that as as we debrief at the end of this presenting to the board I think that's okay to even say that in your presentation you know that this is what we stud we we we want a way we want to have ways that we can share the information with the community and and that could be that we we task at hand take it to PR you know and and say hey how would we best do that um and but all of you have every right to share information the most important thing and and and I've been doing this now for 29 years is that it's an element where you know I lived in Arizona my whole you know my

153whole life and watching the the schools of communities if you don't do this as transparent as possible with your community members and and be very and be very you know what what we've done is we've been Frugal in how we've presented I know that there's there's cost of this stuff but we're also saying this is what actually will help in the needs of making sure that these these buildings can operate and and we're going to be able to get our kids to and from safely and and make the you know it a it a great experience for them uh in our community so that part that part is important to us um uh I I've heard from a lot of people in here it's not something we would take a vote on but I would

154ask uh in in general as we talk about this do we feel comfortable in this putting that amount of 127 out there and seeing what the survey says if we don't get good feedback I I I'm with you Johnny I say if you don't get it it's G to tell you like hey and and they saying but we still have need guys are we really going to back that off and maybe that's the that's the work of then of the public you know publicizing it and doing some of that effort here you go something for the pr like maybe doing the school construction map and just kind of outlining hey this is why we're asking for these things some of these are this many years old and can't wait like I think putting that out

155to the public will give a better oh okay that's why they're asking for that much I think just some visuals is always a good thing yeah and right right and and we do have a bond and override Committee website page that um it's a link to just the process and the timeline all the various um meetings that we've currently been holding the ones in the future future scheduled but um we can certainly talk to our PR department is it a good idea you know it attaches the meeting agendas but we don't necessarily have the presentations attached to them so would it be a good idea to go back and insert you know PDFs of the various presentations that we've discussed with the group under all of those different meetings so um because otherwise you have

156to then go to the actual streaming video rather than looking at them okay good feedback you talked about in terms of the fact finding you talked about the bonds that were voted on for agaia and Lichfield do you have information on the percentages of their schools that graded at an a level so for ours it was like 18 so I'm just curious as to what their percentages were as to compared to the diart Unified School District I think that could also help go a long way towards convincing the the the district to approve the bond yeah the information is um publicly available I don't have that um I just have the actual override or the election results but um again I think it is just really telling your story as a district and really just

157um publicizing yourself and really speaking because if you're not going to speak well about how great you are who will you know so I think that is part of like a great job that daar does and we can certainly work with our PR department is as the message goes out this is things that maybe people don't know is kind of that elevator speech about dard and really this year to have 18 schools and be an a-rated District that's not something our neighboring districts necessarily have so it's it's a great thing the things that we've been able to do with what with what we have is is awesome I I think that's I I would I would reiterate that point um and I will tell you and I've I've worked uh very um very extensively with

158bonds and overrides over the last 20 years um in this type of capacity of ways it hasn't been a daer but I can tell you that the one number one thing that I think is extremely important in that element is what you said you have to and I'm going to say two things number one is it's what Mary Dell showed at shared at the beginning of this whole start of the the committee is you need to show fiscal responsibility of the district and that money is in the classroom and number two and number two you better show your schools are successful and and putting the a ratings out there is extremely important because what Paul shared with us in that survey element was he said hey people look at perception of education and they might

159have but then they'll talk about their own school and their own community and that's an important thing too because people have to feel good about their own school and that's how you know that's really goes a long way in that process I agree with a lot of what's been said about I don't know what I would cut from this um but my question is so the 10 million for the high school land what would be the plan for actually building the high school if that money isn't included in this Bond I can tell you maryell nope you do it because I think you've you've done it before so you've been involved in that process how it works from the state level well yeah so once you it it's an entire because again it goes with

160the sfb and whether or not we we meet a certain point of do we um have the capacity or do they think that we already exceeding our capacity in order to be able to fund a school and so I know that we've done a great job of submitting when we submit our Capital plans of are we getting to that point because again as as was shared at our previous presentations it's not necessarily as a they look as a district overall do you have capacity not are you just bursting at the seams in one area so that is something that we do provide just estimates on what we think our our student enrollment is going to be and so does that trigger for their for them to be able to supply and fund a school and

161so we are certainly looking at that and applying for that and um you know if we eventually get to that trigger that would be something that the state could be able to provide um and we look at that as a possible Source but otherwise when if State doesn't provide that you're again looking at a possible Bond so there's um you know a couple different financing options there that has happened is is that schools school districts have been in that place where they've gotten the land they're busting they're busting and then they did not get the assistance from the state and then the district had to make another decision do we ask for more money that's not the way you want it to be I will tell you though in the conversations is that SF B

162one of the priorities is when you get to the high school conversation in an area it's usually because was there was such a demand for that that's that's why the the funding usually is is that districts are more strapped with usually coming up with funding to take care of K8 the smaller buildings versus a high school which is much more of like a city and and there's that element that you have to consider like we talk about 10 million for land it's not this the I think Shadows 55 acres and uh daar High School is 61 61 ACR is maybe it's 59 I don't know you know what I shouldn't I shouldn't sound like I'm an expert on the land but there you're you're talking about land in that area as we heard is very

163hard to come by we have talked to the city you you know and you're looking at some places that might be that we might have an opportunity for as we've looked at Adam and you're you're you're talking about a much smaller much smaller number of acres and building up is what would happen so that'd be their side but to answer your question you really do I mean there's there definitely is a need that's presented in that Community up there right now with the with the growth I I do believe I parents are parents are we're hearding it from Assante and I mean there's that's hard that's hard when you tell them you know your kids's been going to Asante for for the last you know five or six years and you know and then you

164may need to be bust over to another school next year because we just there's no room so I mean those are just me that's just the reality and other districts have dealt with it before so and I know that's just I me I say it I don't mean n a lot about it I'm just that's a tough one for parents so all right um can I can I get any I need to hear if there's anybody we want to make sure we we asked that one last time is there anybody that's a osed to the number of 127 going to the survey that's just for the survey purposes is there anybody that's opposed to that thought process at this point and just get the info all right we will take that back to Paul and

165I obviously I'll take that to uh to the superintendent um and then we'll be meeting just briefly afterwards on just because we have a board meeting this Thursday we'll want to uh to be to be able to share with with the board some of our conversation from give him a summary so so I think at this point um and I'm over again so Mar Dell keeps adding up the minutes um I need to ask for a motion to adjourn and then when you say you motion if you could tell us your name so that I can't see very well right now I think I'm getting tired a motion to adjourn Jason's motioning to adjourn Randall seconding that that we can adjourn all in favor say I any opposed thank you guys very very much for

166your help tonight and commit and spokes people you can say back for just a minute