001Okay, so we're recording and we're going to get started because there are two of us and we have a quorum. So we'll call this meeting to order at 6:00 37. All right. Welcome to the Greenfield Public Schools Policy Program and School Committee Handbook Subcommittee Meeting. It is the 8th of June, 2026. So we're meeting online. We will do a call to order. Um I am the chair of the subcommittee, member Janiva, I'm here. Member Childs? >> Here. >> All right. We're uh member Dietman is not here, so we do have a quorum of two, so we will get started and maybe he will jump in. All right. First up is public comment. Looks like we have one member of the public interested right now, so um I will turn it over to you. If you
002could state your uh we have a policy change on this, so I'm going to say what it is now. Um we ask that you state your name, your relationship to the schools, and what town you live in. We no longer uh need address information, so no need to provide that. And you have 3 minutes. >> All right. Uh my name is Paul Jablon. I live in Greenfield, and I guess my closest relationship to the school is that I have a step granddaughter who goes to the middle school. But I also have a son who teaches at the middle school. Um and I'm here uh because uh I've spoken to Elizabeth a little bit before this about the issue of create creating a curriculum for a lasting positive school climate. Using the word curriculum, thinking of
003this the same as you would about English or math or social studies or art, but it in the sense of it is something that goes from K to 12 and um permeates every subject because uh how comfortable and how accepted and um the students and the teachers feel in the school affects all the other subjects. And so I'm suggesting this that there be a And this overlaps into policies that affect things like what are called discipline because many of these things would create a climate where discipline would not be needed as much. So I think it fits into policy on the school committee, but I think it takes a a whole literally community to put this together. So I have sent each of you a uh one-pager with some opening ideas about this. I've given
004example curriculums to Elizabeth um that she can share with you and you can keep um and uh except for the fact that I'm going to be away for the next 2 weeks, if you would like any assistance from me, since I've done this in school districts for the last 40 years or so, um I might have some help I can give you. Thank you for working on this committee and doing all the work that you do. >> You're muted, Elizabeth. >> I'm not needed now. Thank you very much, Paul, for coming and speaking with us. I do not see any other members of the public um wanting to speak, but if people come in uh later on, we do extend uh another opportunity for public comment um if they would like. So, thank you very
005much, Paul. >> Okay, I am need to run, but thank you for your attention. >> Thank you. Okay, moving along. Next step is approval of a subcommittee minutes of April 27th, 2026. Uh >> So moved. I second. Any discussion? Okay. Uh Member Child? >> Yes. >> Okay, and I'm a yes, so those are approved. Okay, Article 5 is an update on the resolution style PDF um from the administration, and they did not send me one. So, it's not in the materials. I was hoping that um Superintendent Joyel would be here tonight to tell us about that, uh but he is not, so um I think we are going to have to postpone until next month. So, uh I make a motion to postpone item five until the July meeting. >> Seconded. >> Okay, any discussion?
006>> Nope. >> Okay. Uh Member Child? >> Yes. >> And I'm a yes. Okay, so Article 5 update on resolution style PDF um and that is uh going to be for our handbook will be postponed until July. Okay, um moving on then to uh Article 6, update on how to implement policy JIB, student involvement in decision-making from telephone conversations with legal counsel. I included the email that I received um, from our counsel in the materials. Um, and then I included it because I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to have a conversation with him and we had decided as a subcommittee to make sure to include um, these conversations as materials, but I did get to speak with him. Um, and I have some information regarding that that is going to clear
007up the materials. It um, from the email in the materials. That makes sense. So, I spoke to him and JIB says I'm going to try to get this exactly right. JIB says that we will have a non-voting student member sit with the school committee, but not in executive session, and they will come from the student advisory committee. We've already reached out and talked to um, the student advisory committee through uh, member Diamond. So, I was hoping to get a little update from him on that, but we'll have to put that off to next month. Um, but here's how it goes. We originally thought we could um, delegate one person to meet with them every other month because the policy says um, the school committee will meet with the student advisory committee every other month, but
008what it actually means is the whole committee must meet with the student advisory committee every other month. And we cannot delegate one person. So, we need to bring this to the full committee, I think, so that they understand what this means and I thought, "Oh, no, that means an extra meeting." And that might, you know, really be a heavy lift for us as a group, but um our legal counsel said, you know, most school committees just schedule their meeting with them on the same night as their school committee meeting. And so, you can do it ahead of the main meeting so that um you know, cuz they're they're younger people, they probably don't want to spend all night doing this, so we could meet with them before our meeting. Um and that would satisfy the
009policy. So, I'm thinking at this point, I wanted to talk about it with you and Jeffrey and then write it up in my report for Wednesday night and see how everybody feels about this. What do you think about about this? Ann? >> I I think we might have some logistical troubles because we do have people who might have more trouble arriving cuz what would we need? Just an extra half hour so? And then my other question is is this a public recorded broadcasted meeting? I would think it would need to be because of the quorum that would be there. And speaking of quorum, is it enough to just have a quorum of school committee members as though it were a regular meeting? >> Yeah, that Yeah, we just have to have a quorum. We just
010can't delegate one person to do that. And so, I guess how it would look based on what he said is that they would come at 6:30 or maybe we slot them in at 7:00 and we do like um call to order and public comment first and then meet with them. And I don't necessarily know that it's like an open sort of brainstorming thing, like maybe it's that they bring us specific information because the student representatives when they bring us their report every month, it's more events. But the point of this is that this the students have an actual voice in what they would like to see occur, and they can make policy recommendations or you know, requests or be able to tell us things that um they normally wouldn't be able to do to, you
011know, how the ladder of administration works. So, I think that that's how this would pan out, but I feel like there needs to be a lot more voices in how this would fit. >> Yes, cuz I think I would prefer it as attached before the meeting rather than as part of the meeting. Um I I want the student reps to have to sit through as little as possible because they're busy. And I also don't want the process to be so formal and so intimidating that they don't speak freely. >> That's a really good point. That's a really good point. Um yeah, I don't know how it would go. I I I guess we all need to really think about like try to visualize how how it would go, but it is >> Do we know
012any Do we Do we know any school committees that do this and do a good job with it so we can reach out and ask, "How do you run it?" >> Oh, that's a really good idea. I could make a call to MASC and just ask our district rep, Liz Lafond, if if she could point me to that and then we could watch a little bit of somebody else's committee meeting and see what it looks like. Or send them an email or get some information from that district. That's a great idea. I'm going to make a note on that really quick. All right. >> Figure why reinvent the wheel if someone else has already done it. >> Exactly. So, sorry for dead air. I'm just going to make um make a note. So, I'm going
013to call MSC and uh and I be and who is doing it. Okay. I can do that this week and get some information maybe even before Wednesday's um so that I can kind of include it. So, that would be tomorrow that I'll need to do that. All right. Um So, that's all the information I have about that. But, we had talked about it being baby steps to implementing this cuz this is um a legal requirement that we haven't investigated. >> [clears throat] >> Okay. Do you have anything any more thoughts to share on this? >> Nope, I think I've shared them all. >> Okay. All right. Okay. So, then moving on to number seven, academic integrity policy discussion and recommendation. Uh member Dietman sent me quite a few materials and did write a motion for
014this, but he is not here and I think that he should bring forward his motion um and rationale and be part of this discussion. So, >> I move to postpone it until next month's meeting. >> Uh second. All right. Any discussion? Um member Childs? >> Yes. >> And I'm a yes. Okay, so we will postpone that until next month. Um That's also good because a legal talked to me about that as well and so I have some specific questions for um Superintendent Joyal about that because that might actually not be in our purview and might reside in a different handbook entirely. So, uh I look forward to having this discussion about that. All right, moving along. Look at us, we're just eating the agenda. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Um Article 8, discussion and possible revision
015of the following policies, Policy JICH, ADC, GBEC, GBED, and IHAMB. All of them are the tobacco policies. And the reason that I brought them forward is because at the Yello Conference, the students, the high school students, told me that they would like to have um better information around vaping, and we looked up vaping in the policy manual, and it does not appear anywhere. You have to search tobacco or vapor, so um I was thinking we could look through these policies together, and at the very least add vaping, because that is the more common >> That's the word that >> That's the word, right? >> Yeah. That's the word. >> So, um but I also had some questions about this that I wanted to talk to the superintendent about, but he isn't here. So, I move
016to postpone it until next month. >> Seconded. >> Okay, any discussion? Okay, Member Child. >> Yes. >> And I'm a yes, so we will postpone uh the vaping discussion until next month, so sorry for the dead air. I'm going to make these notes. We're postponing vaping and academic integrity and the resolution PDF until July. Okay. All [sighs] right. All right. Moving on to item nine possible discussion and further review of policy IJNDB. Um the other day um Assistant Superintendent Sullivan sent me a well, I think he sent it to all of us, but um I opened it and read it and it was about their desire to create a um com- a sort of community engagement task force on this idea that involved um including parents and community members and students. And so I think
017that that sort of puts a real halt on the policy and may have we need to recommend to the full committee that we pause the reading on this policy and vote on whether or not we wish to empower uh the administration to create this um this group. What do you think about that, Anne? >> I think that makes perfect sense. I think this is reasonable and rational information gathering that would need to happen before a policy is voted on. And I did screen share the memo just so that it is >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> So, yeah, I would happily move So, how would we phrase this? Uh move to endorse the AI advisory group and hold off on a policy until that group has presented recommendations. >> That sounds good. So moved. I
018mean second. Seconded. There's only two of us. Yes, seconded. Okay, um any discussion on that? >> Um the only question I have is the advisory group does not actually include a school committee member, and don't we usually stick a school committee person on? Or is this just really that would be stepping on toes and getting into the weeds of daily operation rather than oversight? >> That's a really good question, and I don't know. I think it depends on what the charge of this is, like what their plan is. If it's just collecting information from community members and then making a making recommendations to the policy subcommittee based on what they find, I don't think that we need to be present, but it might be a really good idea for one of the members of the
019policy subcom to be part of it. >> Well, and that's the other question. Will they be presenting to us or to the full committee? And yay, we have Jeff. I mean, hello, Mr. Eidman. >> Hello. Welcome. >> Hello. So sorry I'm late. >> That is okay. Um we postpone most of our agenda >> [laughter] >> um because we did not have the superintendent here, and we didn't have assistant superintendents Superintendent Sullivan here to talk about the AI. So right now we're on um this memo that we received from Assistant Superintendent Sullivan about Let's see. Can you Ann, can you make it bigger? >> can read it. I'm looking at it. >> it. Okay, great. So we were just looking at it um and thinking that this memo kind of puts a little bit of a
020halt on the um um, on the digital empowerment >> Mhm. >> policy because they would like to create an advisory group to gain more information from community uh, members and students and building administrators. So, perhaps we need to bring this to the full committee and see if they would like to charge the administration with doing this work. >> Yeah. >> So, we were just discussing that and Anne Anne had some really amazing questions. >> Mhm. >> Anne, do you want to repeat your amazing questions? >> Okay. Well, the the first question is if it would be appropriate to have a school committee person on this advisory group as well or if this is strictly operational. And then the other question is will they be be presenting to us as a subcommittee or presenting their recommendations
021directly to the full committee? >> Yeah. Yeah. Good question. Um, and it's also missing from this proposal is a timeline. Um, but uh, yeah, it's a the those are good questions, too. Yeah. Um, uh, what do you what do you two think about the idea of having a school committee member on such a an advisory? Do you think that that would be possible, plausible, useful, or does it have precedent? >> I think that if we're adjusting a policy that we should have somebody from the policy subcomm on there just to kind of >> Yeah. >> not to influence it in any way, but just to ga- like gather as much information as possible about what they're thinking, because we have to then try to make sure that all those things are translated into the policy.
022>> Mhm. >> Um and we're the ones that have to do that, so I sort of feel like we either have to have really good recordings of these meetings that we're willing to watch, or we need to like receive a report from them, or minutes, or we attend them in person. But it might be a real heavy ask to go to these meetings, so I guess if we received really good minutes, that might be I mean, that would be enough for me, but I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable with it going directly to the full committee without coming to the policy subcommittee first. >> Mhm. >> Cuz that's our job. >> Yeah. They will just gum up the works and make the meetings longer and like like we're supposed to do that. We're here, so. >>
023Yeah, I'm liking the idea of at least one of us be there more to listen than to speak in order to report back. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> Uh member Childs, you've uh taken a strong interest in this topic. Would you be willing to be that person? >> I would, but I do have a reservation in that I'm probably the most strongly biased person on the issue on the committee. And while I would do my best to be unbiased in presenting, um there is the risk because I do have a very strong bias that some of that bias could leak through. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> Okay. Uh what about you, uh member DeNeef? Would you be willing to be that person and serve >> It entirely depends on what the time requirement
024is. >> [clears throat and snorts] >> Um if they're talking about meeting once a month or something, that would be totally fine, I think. But if this is a [clears throat] more fast-paced thing, then I probably could not, but I would be willing to like listen and and do minutes, you know. If it was once a month. I just don't have a lot of extra time, especially in the summer. That's actually like the the busiest time for me. >> Okay. >> Um so >> Well, especially if it's a Zoom meeting, one of the other things we can do is I believe if we hit either show captions or transcript, we could even get the written the the That's fine. That's a use of AI technically, but I'm okay with that use. >> Yeah. That sounds
025good, and often times I will tune in to Zooms or like catch up on other subcommittee meetings if it's a virtual, you know, so I can like cook dinner at the same time. Like I can I can do double duty. Yeah, I think that virtual space, so >> The biggest issue is making sure that only one of us, because if two of us were to go, then we'd have a quorum for the subcommittee. >> Right. I think it depends on what everybody's subcommittee uh duties are for all the other ones that they're doing. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> Jeffrey, how many are you on? You're on >> Uh so I'm the representative to CES. I'm on engagement. Uh and I'm on this. And then um we are proposing an ad hoc subcommittee on literacy
026or ad hoc committee on literacy see. Um that I am I'm planning to be quite busy on that if that gets approved. Uh so that would be my only hesitation about also serving on AI. So it it would also it would for me it would depend also on their their planned frequency of meeting. >> Mhm. >> Things do lighten up for me in the summer. That you know, that said, I I I can afford more time in the summer cuz I am an educator. Um but if if it plans to go into September and things like that, then you know, I'm back in the same like I'm I'm already spread very a little too thin. Yeah. >> Um So, that's where I'm at. >> I chair the budget and finance, which does meet twice a
027month generally because of the warrants meeting. But also, we might be putting the cart in front of the horse. Maybe we should find the structure that they plan on doing first, and then we don't have to have it just one person does all the meetings. It could be like the way budget and finance does the meetings with the various schools and SEPAC and uh the other one, ELPAC, where we one person will attend each meeting to get the budget priorities. So, it could be that if they're having multiple meetings, we get the schedule and just make sure we've got coverage for it. >> Yes, that's it. >> Okay, so why don't we just wait to hear what um Steven Sullivan says uh on Wednesday night about this and we'll bring it up in the report.
028>> Sounds good. >> But I'd say our subcommittee can definitely vote to endorse this advisory group before writing the actual policy. >> Yeah. >> Okay, so then let's do that. Um uh would somebody like to make a motion to endorse this advisory group to the full committee on Wednesday? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Any discussion? Okay, ready for a vote, member Dietman? >> Yes. >> Member Childs? >> Yes. >> And I'm a yes. Okay, so we'll recommend it on Wednesday to the full committee. That we support this idea. >> [clears throat] >> Okay. Um all right, going back in time slightly uh member Dietmann, I have your um academic integrity uh motion. But we voted to postpone it to next month because Roland is not here and I did end up having a conversation
029with the legal counsel about it and she had some advice about not putting that in the policy manual, but it rather lives in the handbook for students and families. So, we may wish to talk to the superintendent about that and get really in-depth into what is in the handbook. Um because it may or may not be in our purview. So, we need to maybe have a conversation about that and see what's there. We don't even know if it's in there. So, we got to do a little bit of homework on that and then talking about it next month. So, I just wanted to catch you up cuz you had that motion. >> Yeah. >> but we didn't want to address it unless you were present and you could get questions answered. So, are you okay
030with that? >> I I'm definitely okay with postponing it. I'm definitely okay with taking the necessary time with legal and everything like that. Um I would like to weigh in a bit about um what I know. Uh which is that um there are two districts public school districts in Massachusetts that do have AI policies. I mean that do have academic honesty policies in their um in their policy manual. Those are uh Provincetown and Somerville. And um So, it seems that it is a possible thing to have in a policy manual. Um and I have also observed that it it usually seems to live in like more detailed documents. I think that there's a rush now for having it in the policy manual. I've made that rationale part of my motion. Um >> [clears throat] >>
031And then the other question is, let me think. What else did you say? Um Is it in our purview? Uh Did Did you have any details from legal about that question? Like, why do they doubt that it's in our purview? >> Um They said that they believe that it was specific to this family student handbook because if it is violated, it involves discipline. I I'm not saying that I agree with him. I think personally it's our purview. Like, if we can have an AI policy, we can have an academic honesty policy surrounding that. Like, I agree with that personally. But he did say that he's written a number of them and that they always belong in that handbook. So, my thought was we needed to talk to the superintendent and find out what his history
032was with that. And then the other day the uh legal sent me a copy of the academic integrity policy that he wrote for Orange. >> Mhm. >> So, I have it and I can forward it to you all uh for the materials for July. >> Great. I would love to see that. >> Yeah. And um what I observed in the student handbook is that our high school student handbook does does have a brief mention of academic honesty. Um it is quite outdated in terms of the technology that it mentions specifically and it is cursory, is what I would say. Um if if such a policy is going to live in the student handbook, I was I would recommend making it much more robust. Uh >> Mhm. Yeah. I I agree. And then we also talked
033about we we postponed the vaping discussion, those policies also until July because I wanted to talk to the superintendent cuz really like those policies don't even have the word vaping in it. So like at the very least um it's outdated. So Anyways, [clears throat] I'm just catching you up. >> Thank you. >> So we've postponed those two items and um >> [sighs and gasps] >> we had a few questions about JIB also that I'm going to ask MASC about to get us more information. >> Okay. >> So that leads us to new business. Do any of you have new business? Future business. >> Um >> Not at the moment, but I'll email you should it come to me. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Same here, not at the moment. >> Okay. Um one thing the council
034told me was that he would have a lot more time in the summer months to work with us on writing new policies if we wanted to. Um and I was also thinking that as this as the summer break starts we only really have maybe two meetings during the summer, but it might be a really good time to tackle some of our um goals that we thought about where we're searching um the policies of other districts to see where we stack up. So maybe maybe we could think about which ones we might like to look at because we wanted to make it bite-size. So we could choose AI, we could choose the vaping, we could choose something else. Um I'm just thinking that it might be a good idea to do that before things get busier.
035>> [clears throat] >> I like that idea. It's a good way to um get get get things done while there's not as much stuff going on. >> So, in July, would it be workable if I brought forward those those issues that were that are most top of mind at the moment and we divvy them up and then like come back in August with like a report on what we found in our database search? Would you all be interested in that? Like if one of us took vaping, one of us took AI, one of us took I don't even know what else is on our plate exactly. Maybe maybe JIB. Maybe see what other districts are doing cuz we did talk about looking at what other districts are doing um regarding that earlier before you came
036on. Does that seem like something we we would be interested in? Would you two be interested in that? Like divvying up. >> Sure. >> Okay, I'll bring I'll bring that forward then for July. And it sounds like um neither of you have new business. My only question is >> the main thing I wanted to talk about tonight was academic honesty. Um it's but it's not urgent and um I I would just invite the two of you to um take a look at the motion uh and and the wording and the rationale if you haven't already. Um it's it's only in the folder. I don't know if I've invited member Childs to that folder yet though. >> Yeah, I don't think I have gotten it and my only question is for open meeting law purposes, is
037it that I can't see it until it's included in meeting minute a meeting materials for the public? >> No, you could be a viewer, you just can't be a commenter. We just can't have a forum of commenting, but we can all look at the same materials. >> Okay. >> It should be in your packet, though. That I sent it to Becky and she said she would put it in everyone's packet. >> I thought I saw it in there. >> I didn't think I I I'm I'm looking at >> It's not in No. >> No, that's the Yeah, I don't think it made it to the packet. >> Okay. Um I'm going to put a note down about that. Okay. All right. Um Okay. >> Do we know when our next meeting is? >> That's the
038next thing that we need to discuss cuz I have cuz we had set it the last Monday of the month, but then we got derailed because of Memorial Day, but I was hoping we could open our calendars and look because I think I have a conflict. Let me see. No, I don't have a conflict. So, June 29th would be the day. Monday, June 29th at 6:30 if we are back to our originally voted on schedule. >> That's really a rough one for me. It's my daughter's birthday. >> Oh no, happy birthday. And oh no for meetings, but that's fine. Do you want to do a different meeting? >> in New York City. Uh so not great. Um >> What about the Well, I hate to ask people if they feel like doing things on the
039weekend, but >> Yeah. >> if you want to do it the Sunday before or Friday, June 26th, I could Oh, I can't do Fridays actually. >> Can't do Friday? >> I cannot. Friday is tough for me. >> Okay. >> What about Oh, and I can't do [snorts] Tuesdays. >> You can't do Tuesdays. Um What about Ah. I got a lot going on. >> [gasps] >> What about um July 6th? >> I can work that. >> I have a community engagement subcommittee meeting that night already scheduled. >> Okay. >> Um It's I can also do this committee, but we need to make sure that they don't overlap at all because that is what has made it impossible in the past for the second meeting to take place. Because of Zoom, it only works with one at
040a time. Uh so that is scheduled for 8:00 p.m. I could do this committee at 5:00 p.m. >> Like do it a little earlier? >> Yeah. >> I hate to get us off onto a different schedule though cuz we did say final Mondays of the month. So I'm wondering if there's like um cuz then cuz if we do it the beginning of July, then we're like doing it at the beginning of August and then we're like >> Yeah, exactly. >> about, but what if we did it um What if we did it close to the 29th of June? Like is there any >> 30th of June would work for me. >> I'm not free on Tuesdays until 9:00 p.m. >> Okay. Okay. >> And I'm not free at on Tuesdays after 8:30 p.m. >> Okay.
041Okay. >> What about um I do August 1st at 7:30. >> Are we talking July >> I meant July That >> Did you mean July 1st? >> Yes, I'm sorry. I meant July 1st at 7:30. >> I have a conflict that day. Thursday, the 2nd? >> Thursday July 2nd? I could do. >> I could do it at 7:30. >> 7:30? Okay, I can do that. >> Okay, and there's no possibility of doing Sunday, June 28th? Just to throw it out there. >> Um >> Oh, the admin isn't going to do that. I can't ask them to do that. And we really, really need them to be here, actually. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Like we can't like the if if we're scheduling this July meeting and then they're not here, that's actually like not good. >>
042Okay, we can't move forward on a number of things without them. >> Okay. So >> [snorts] >> let's let's let's do the 2nd. >> Okay. >> All right, I'm I'm writing it down. Hold on a second. And I'm going to send um Becky a message about that. Uh July 2nd >> [snorts] >> at 7:30. Okay, but then if we look at the calendar, you guys, for future stuff, >> Mhm. >> could [clears throat] we get back on track in July July's like a long month. There's there's five weeks in July. Like could we get back to the final Monday like June 20 I'm sorry, July 27th? Could we get back on track then? >> Mhm. >> Yes. >> Okay, and then that would mean August 31st. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> That's fine for me,
043too. >> Okay, and then that would mean September 28th. Just looking ahead to make like see if we could get back on track. >> Yeah. Yeah, cuz overall Mondays are the easiest for me. >> And then in a wonderful turn of events, we're nowhere near Halloween in October. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> We're nowhere near Thanksgiving in November. >> Ooh, Halloween's a Saturday. That's wonderful. >> I know, isn't that fun? We're going to have so much fun, you guys. Halloween's on a Saturday. Okay. >> [clears throat] >> All right, great. So, we're set through September, October. >> Were you um thinking 7:30 for each of those? >> I would prefer 6:30, but if you would all like 7:30, that's fine. I'm fine with >> for me. >> I think 6:30's better for the community
044in general. >> I think so, too. >> Okay, but we're doing 7:30 for the next one, right? >> 7:30 July 2nd is going to be our odd one out. >> Yeah. >> You got to have your birthday party for sure. And then we're going to be back to 6:30s on the final Mondays of the month through to the end of the year. It looks like it will actually work. It's not on any holidays. >> Okay. >> Anything else, you guys? >> Nope. I move to adjourn. >> Second. Any discussion? >> No. >> Okay, member Digman? >> Yes. >> Member Childs? >> Yes. >> And I'm a yes. Okay, we are adjourned at 7:19 p.m. I'm going to stop the recording now.