STRPB 09/09/2025 Full Board Meeting

001And you're good to go, Alan. >> All right. Thank you. So, welcome to this uh September 9th, Tuesday, uh 2025 uh six time regional planning board meeting. It is being held remotely. Uh if there are issues that we have with uh the um connectivity of it, we will try to resolve them. We'll make every effort. If we're unable to, we'll have to reschedule the meeting. I see that we have a quorum of the planning board. We have Greg Snaker, myself, Alan Genevies, David Young, Deborah Bell up, uh Deb Loomer, uh Karen O'Neal, uh Raina, thank you. Uh and we also have with us uh Jake Eberwine who uh did the slide deck presentation, been working on that. We have Mike Jackson from the Monogue, right? >> I think you missed Deb Hot if I'm >>

002Where is she? Oh, Deb, everyone's across my screen. And Debbot, yes, she helps make the quorum. Um, all right. So, I have all meetings. So, I to clear a quorum to hold this meeting. Mike uh Jackson, he is from the Monorer. >> Thank you. And we have uh Where did I see that? Where's my screen? >> Aaron Erin Lee Hoffman is from the group recorder. >> Is she still here? Oh, there she is. >> Yeah, she's here. >> All right. Thank you. All right. So, um I'm going to try to move this meeting along as quickly as we can and yet cover the important points. Um so, the first thing is >> Hey, Alan, did I see Mark Abrams was coming in or Matt? >> Um they might uh be coming in. I didn't see

003him yet, but uh Matt did you sent him an invitation, correct? Yeah, the name I think one of the names flashed up on the screen and then I don't know what happened. I hope I didn't decline them. I I thought I accepted. So, >> check that out. Yeah, as I'm looking at this, for some reason, my my little boxes are moving around. So, I go to look at one place and someone is in a different one. So, um I don't know. My computer is just wonky a little bit at the moment. So um let's uh handle the things that we can at the moment and move down to the um Jake Eberwine who is with us. Uh he has put in many many hours in the presentation. Uh he's received uh feedback uh was very

004responsible to it and um he uh has done everything on the slide to deck that we had asked him to. He made it a little more professional and provided some clarity and worked on texts that uh he uh asked uh Greg and I to you know kind of review to make sure it fit the slides. So um with all that said I guess Greg you had you're able to send it out but later than what you wanted. >> Much later than I anticipated. I mean I just I didn't get it out till today and at the last minute. So I apologize for that. But I can I can share the screen. We only have a few uh new slides from from last week. So uh why don't I do that? >> Yeah. While and while

005you're doing that, let me just u lay out the plan. So tonight we move forward. Approve the slides, move forward. We have our first presentation next week in Gil. Um what Jake is planning to do is listen to any feedback. He's held off on the voice over. So after tonight he will be having someone uh actually put the uh voice with the slides. This will be available on our website and probably connected to a YouTube link. So people can click on this. They will not see the narrative but they will see the slides and there will be a voice over explaining each slide. the people can click on it as they go uh stop and whatever they want to do with it. In the presentation that we're doing with the towns, it's going to be

006more tailored to uh the slide presentation. The narrative won't be there. Uh but we will and the presenters will have the narrative and then we will move that as as uh forward through the individual towns as as uh tailored to the town. So if they have more questions on one slide or if they get the enrollment piece, we'll just move through those slides and get to the next uh next piece. So, um, with that said, Greg, you want to talk about >> Yeah, Jake, if you can un unmute yourself. Um, I we start around with the new slides. It's somewhere in the 50s here. I I forget exactly which slide. >> 50 50 to 55. >> Yeah. So, I'll start with there. And so, this is 50. >> Yeah. So, um, it's good to see

007everybody again. Yeah. We've done a lot of noodling throughout the slide deck. a little bit of reordering uh on some of the slides based on feedback from Alan and Greg and Darinda. Appreciate that. Um new slides. Actually, this slide was in the last deck and people did like this summary slide. Um but it's really the next couple slides starting on slide number 50. >> Yeah, I think this back to 50 51 looking ahead. Is that where good? >> Um you're Yeah. Okay. So >> I can go back. >> No, go down further. Sorry. >> Yeah, it starts at 50. >> Okay, this is 50. >> Yeah, that's 50 on your screen, but keep going down to the slide 50. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay, I see. Yeah, 47. There. There it is. Okay, >>

008there we go. All right. So, >> so one of the things that we were talking about was the fact that people will want to know what they're voting on. They're voting on elements of the regional agreement. So, uh, Allan, uh, with Greg's support put together sort of a very short checklist of things that would be, uh, key items that are covered in the regional agreement. Uh, in order to sort of, um, organize those so they're not completely overwhelming, we put those on three slides. The first slide is kind of the basics. District name, school committee composition, how you cover vacancies. Next slide is next slide Greg is um >> on things like where kids go to um how you accept kids, how you do school closures and the location of schools. Um again most of

009this would have been spelled out in the presentation because you talk about your reorganization of the secondary schools and your maintenance of the con existing elementary schools. And then the last slide is on the um mostly on money although there is a a little bit there on amendments and the transition process. Um so really really quickly hit you know how you do the budget how you assess to the towns how you manage debt which is borrowing for capital projects. Um, so based on that and some new modeling from the some updated modeling from the Abraham's group, Greg put together a couple slides that are the next three. So, building off of that budget, um, we expected I would expect that people w want to know how does that impact um, our bottom line at the

010town level and maybe for me as a property owner. So there are three u basic overview slides here. One is u sort of referring to the Abraham's work and the use of the five-year rolling uh foundation enrollment average. The next slide is kind of a snapshot of um how those assessments are calculated. It's a little bit you know people will have the slide deck and be able to sort of magnify it. So this is a screenshot of one of the worksheets, >> right? >> And then the next slide is really kind of your punchline which is basically showing uh how your assessments um would be changing in effect based on where they stand currently and how they would change under the um merged assessment system. So all in all, compared to the last slide deck

011you did, the most significant changes are these six additional slides. Um I did a voice over myself and the slide deck without these six was running about 28 minutes. Um we're in the process of doing a voice over with a a better voice than mine. Um, and so I'm guessing with the six slides, you're probably going to be running into 35 or 36 minutes um, for total show. Um, but as Alan pointed out, that's for a recorded version that will be on the live site that people can, like they would with any video, stop, pause, advance, fast forward, whatever they want to do. Um, you'll then use this foundation deck to sort of then go and present live, which means you all will control the pacing. You won't be using the voice over in a

012live session. And in some cases, depending on what the town allows you, I know that in Mohawk Trail and in South County, we had some towns that said, "You got 20 minutes." And so, we had to sort of curate a shorter deck. And now that you all have it, Greg has it. Um, you can kind of cherrypick based on what your what the needs of each of your presentation or your towns are. So, I think you're in pretty good shape. You got a good foundation here. >> Yeah. I just want to comment that um to to magnify the significance of the uh uh conversation with Rob O'Donnell and confirmed by Mark Abrams which is when they calculated these assessments three years ago or two years ago um they were uh not using the base eight

013they were they were using uh different information and the district we were actually going to lose a couple of million dollars and we looked at how that assessment would play out. Um I think and we were having conversations with them that it's a brand new district. You can't be doing this whole harmless and so forth. You really need to do base eight. We didn't get too far with that except until recently. And then when Mark confirmed it, he was able to run these numbers. So what that meant is they have changed their uh the way they will handle a new district and they will actually use the base aid of the Wick district, the Gil Monagu district and the Monagu school district and they will put all that aid together as the starting point for

014a new district. That is huge. Um and it had a uh obviously it had an impact on the assessment. So, I could have um uh I couldn't be more delighted that they realized that that would be the best uh way to um support uh a a new Sixtown regional district. So, um it gets buried in this, but we'll have to make sure that we do um accentuate the the uh the difference and the support that the state is giving in and doing that interpretation. Now, >> uh, Dire has her hand up. >> Yep. Um, one one question for each of you. Uh, Jake, it's looking it's looking awesome. On the slide before this, if you zoom in on the PDF version, it's blurry. Is it not blurry on the >> real version? That might be

015me because of a screenshot. I can see if I can >> Well, like on my computer, I have it downloaded. >> Oh, you do? >> It's blurry. Yeah. >> So, I don't So, it might just need to be like, you know, I don't know. Okay. So, yeah, captured it a different way. >> No, that that's those are really good points because sometimes when you take screenshots, they don't necessarily translate with a level of sharpness. Um, so Greg, this is actually a screenshot that you picked up. >> That's right. Yeah, it's my it's my fault. >> No, no, not blaming you. I'm just saying this is >> Oh, no. But it is. I I can't remember. There's a way to do it without, you know, to be embedded without taking a screenshot. I think I was

016I may have just been in a hurry because I I kind of forgot and then you know it's coming up now. So, uh we can correct that. I just have to Jake maybe you remember or maybe you know how to do that. >> Well, we can resolve that. So, Dinda, thank you for bringing it up. >> It drives me crazy to have the blurriness too. So, >> yeah. >> Um >> Dinda, your second question. The second question is is this refers to looking at the Abraham's report um in this document and then so will we have a new version with the new assessments or like a new mini report or something to add? Um you should have received a narrative that uh he has that accompanies the report that um either he sent out or

017we will share because I believe that was sent out and I I u printed the narrative that he had with it. >> Okay. Yeah. Then should I just upload that to the website? >> That would be great. Yeah. >> And then also does this assume um you know just like general costs? Is this is this still assuming um certain staff member cuts that were from before that were the assumptions from before? >> I think Matt can go over that. He he's got to be here to to go over >> Matt's here now. >> Yeah. >> Oh, Matt. Um do we mind if we transition into you since we're going over the slide deck and within that is uh your your uh information. So, this is a nice transition to maybe blend that. >> Well, why

018don't we let Can I Can I just suggest that if Jake has anything left on that? Uh, if he wants to go over anything uh or if we're ready to move on. Jake? >> No, there's really not much else. I mean, I appreciate the feedback. I did get some feedback from a few folks. Um the only other structural change we made in the presentation is that the feeling was that um when we go through those sort of two big buckets the money factors and then the cohort factors which are really the focus on educational opportunities and experience and services for kids. We had we let off with money and then went to cohort and I think the feeling was we flipped those. Um so we did that. Um, and I think it's got a better

019flow now. But, um, I guess the last thing I just want to impress upon everyone is that a product like this is never completely done, you know. So, don't be shy about we can make little changes to it over time and you may use it, want to do some adjustments. So, I just want to make sure you all know know it's not a static product. It's something you can continue to um you know manipulate and adjust. >> Yeah, I think it's great. Jake, I just one uh question is that um if I reach out to you, I'm going to look over these much more carefully between now and next Monday for the first presentation. And um you know, I would love any advice you want to give. I know you've you've given some of these

020presentation. I've watched you give presentations. So, um, you know, just to connect with you briefly to kind of go over any questions and any advice you might want to give me. >> Karen, you look like you have something you would like to say. >> I want to go back to what you said about the recalculation of the assessments. Mhm. >> Um I thought I heard you say they used the base amounts from Gil Monagu and then you said and Gil, but I never heard anything about the other three towns. >> No. So I was talking about the um so this is the base aid for the Gil Monagu Regional School District, the Pioneer Regional School District and the Warick regist. and they combined those that base aid for the new district and their and what

021there would be their calculations. And so when Matt and um Abram Abrahams who who then contacted Desi to uh verify then they use that information in generating these assessments and it's very helpful. It lowers assessments. >> Okay. I mean I understand the concept. I just didn't hear any mention of anybody except Gil Monigu in the base calculations. >> I apologize. >> Thank you. >> Um, so I would So Jake is going to move on and do a voice over and so I kind of promised him I I'll have the uh the planning board vote. we all understand we can make adjustments to it to accept a slide presentation so that um we're we're not asking to do another voice over as soon as as soon as uh you know he starts on that tomorrow. So

022I would entertain a motion from someone to um to uh accept the uh slide deck uh as amended. >> So move second. >> So who made the mo Okay. So motion to rent a second. >> All right. Thank you. And I can't see folks, so uh with that on the screen. >> Um we have to do a roll call vote. Alan Genevies, yes. Greg, >> yes. >> And David, >> yes. >> Dinda, >> yes. >> Deb Loomer, >> she said, "Yeah." Karen, I see a thumbs up. And Deb, >> yes. and Raina. >> Yes. >> And who did I miss? I probably missed somebody. Did I miss someone? >> Okay. I guess not. Um All right. Terrific. So, thank you, Jake. And you've got your marching orders now. And just before you go, once once

023Jake has this, he's going to then do a shorter version to um to so if people want to go on and just see what it's about, there'll be uh probably less than half the slides that just make the main points. Am I right on that, Jake? >> Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna do a short version. And again, you you guys may also be modifying on your end, too, based on your audience. Um, hey the other thing Alan I forgot to mention it's not to be labor this thing long but is that we also wanted to have feedback mechanisms. So >> the the good >> the asynchronous online version will direct people to the website to sort of drop their comments or questions which are then you'll collect the inperson which you're doing live. Um, I suspect

024you'll probably want some mechanism for getting either, you know, hand raising or putting questions on 3x5 cards or whatever. So, um, just a couple things to think about that we want to make sure we we built into the presentation. >> Yeah, thank you for that. So that was going to transition over to Direinda and that maybe during the meetings uh we have people write their um questions if they're more comfortable with that or you know will capture them when they raise their hand and then we take those along with people that uh are able to drop off their questions or comments and then those will be we'll just have to be looking at every day and and um updating our I don't know if we're going to call it a frequently asked questions and answers

025looking that every day so that we can update that. So that will happen e online as people review it or during the presentations and then we'll capture it and then feed that in. Does that make sense direct? >> Yep, that makes sense. So, I think just I'm gonna create a Google doc that um we can fill in with the questions that we've received and answers that we can point people to um if they're not already on the website. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. And thanks again, Jake. >> All right. >> Thank you. We'll see you all. >> Yeah. And so, transition over. Matt, thank you for joining us. Much appreciated. I don't know if um Greg is going to have you give you the permission to host and pull things up or Greg, are

026you going to do it? >> I have I have what he sent me so I can call it up if that if that's okay with that or I can ship the host if it's easier. >> Whatever. >> What would you like to do, Matt? It's your your segment now. >> Um well, I was thinking I'd start with the file from two years back. So, >> do you wanna do you want to take control then? >> Yeah, I I'll share it. I'll share with you >> just to kind of talk about where we were and why we're talking again here today. >> Yeah, you're good. >> And I think I think by showing multiple files, that's probably the most effective way to capture that. So, >> yep. >> Okay. Good evening everyone. This is Matt Abrahams

027from the Abrahams Group and apologize for being a few minutes late. I was having computer issues connecting. Um, so backtracking just a little bit. Um, try not to look at the screen even though I think it's still loading. Um, go back two years or so. Uh, we compiled numbers for this group and reviewed this exact file which I'll walk you through real quick on the screen back two years ago. Um our charge was to run some assessment uh numbers for a combined six town region. We were actually if we go back two years ago, we actually ran it for a five town and a six town region. The five town would not have included Warwick. So we we include we ran both back then, but in the end we were focusing on a six town

028region two years ago and as you know we're focusing on the same now. Um our charge was to basically merge the budgets. The the approach we took was to take the existing budgets at the time which were the latest ones were FY24 when we did this two years ago. Merge them together. Um then do some budgetary adjustments based off of some we'll call it efficiencies or changes that might take place in a merged district. That included three things right off the top. That included um changes to teacher salaries because teachers for the districts weren't on the same salary scale. What would it look like if they're on the same salary scale? That analysis was done that added additional costs to the existing budgets. The second one one which was similar was health insurance. Do an

029analysis on health on what people were paying for health insurance. what would they pay if they were all part of the same not the same plan but the same group of plans that one district offered and add those additional costs in. So just like how there would be additional costs for teachers we identified what we believe to be additional costs for health insurance and we add that added that in again that was above and beyond what the budgets said at the time. Then on the flip side was okay well what about some efficiencies that can be gained by the merging of the districts. We focused on central office. Um presumably some the staffing of a of the central office would look a little bit different. Instead of having two central offices there' be one. What

030does that look like? Uh we relied on the business manager from Gil Monigu to help us there. We basically relied on her to design what a new office central office would look like. assigned some salaries to that and then we did a difference between the budgets and that for to identify some savings. So though it was the it was the budgets merged together plus those three adjustments. The three adjustments being the teacher salaries, the health insurance and the savings identified from a merge central office. Okay. So that produced what we'll call a budget for the new district. Um what one presumably would look like Once the uh six town district was operating and then we took the next step which was try to calculate what the assessments would be for each of the six towns

031using the assessment methodology um that is used today. I mean it's not every each of the districts does it differently but the same concept. Okay, you start with the budget, you you back out common revenues, um, and then you're left with an amount to be assessed, and then we did a calculations related to that amount to be assessed and ultimately was asked to produce at the time 10 different looks at what the assessments would could be based off of 10 different assessment methodologies. Um, they are listed up here. This list right here that I'm highlighting, I'll make this a little bit larger. I'm guessing it's probably small for people. So, one of them was um run Gil Monu's operating assessment methodology. That's based off of, I believe, one a one-year look at resident enrollment or

032um headcount in the schools run Pioneer Valleys, which is the 5-year rolling average of resident enrollment, I believe. Um, one year foundation enrollment, fiveyear foundation enrollment average, one year required district contribution, five-year average of required district contribution. But you'll notice that these four and these four are the same just that one was the alternative methodology, one's the statutory methodology. Um towards the conclusion of our work two years ago, this group decided that we weren't focused on the alternatives anymore. So then we ended up with the six statutory methodologies that you that you see now on the screen. We reviewed the file that we're looking at right now. two year uh not yeah two years ago and then again in November of last year um you may recall that Mars was involved in some conversations related

033to the potential merger and we represented this file to the group as part of that work. So, you've presumably seen this file multiple times and you may remember this sheet that is and I walked you through this at at some point shows how the assessments are calculated going downward over here and Jake showed this on one of his slides as well even though it was really compressed. Um, you start with the budget, like I said, you back out common revenues, in this case, chapter 78, and also this one right here, which we're calling other income. There's the required district contributions. The amount above is what is then assessed or allocated using some metric. Okay, I just talked about one-year resident enrollment, five-year resident enrollment, one year foundation, etc. That's how th that those costs are

034divvied up using those different metrics and in the end um down here we produce total assessments using that metric. Okay, I don't feel the need to probably walk walk you through this in too much detail. Just trying to cover it at a high level even though I know I've been talking for a little bit already. So, these sheets I walked you through two years ago. >> Could I interrupt you? Um, please rework Warwick because you've emitted the um fact that we get like close to $400,000 in chapter 70 money. That's the number being used here for Warwick's current assessment is our school committee budget, not net of state aid. And Warwick is, I think, unique among all these communities in that we are in actual foundation aid and would not be uh taking the hold

035harmless. So they they calculated our income and we're back into foundation aid. We add a kid, we get a uh full foundation aid for that kid instead of 26 $30 like the cold harmless towns. So there's there's no significant savings, cost savings as but it's reflected here as if there is some. >> Yeah, that's a good point. um we chose to take the approach that we were showing the cost of education or the expense side but but your point is a good one because it doesn't currently show the impact of chapter 70 in the low in the current environment for war >> and the fact that if we add a kid in our school district we get $6,800 whatever it is not the whole harmless $30. >> Yep. Yep. Um, so this is how we

036showed it two years ago. So we took the same approach, but your point is is a good one because this does not factor in chapter 78 for war. So that's something to keep in mind as we move forward with when we're looking at these numbers. Okay. And we can we can repeat that as we move along. >> All right. >> Change you wouldn't change the model. >> Uh, we could if if that's the wish of the group. >> Well, I mean, this is going to stink the place up in Warwick. when you know I told Allan that I would be entirely fair in all this and I think pointing this out rather than sandbagging it to come out later after all the cost savings are touted the model should reflect the assessment which to Warwick

037is what my taxpayers pay. It's not it's not what the school committee budget has voted without reflecting the chapter 70 money. It sounds like War Borwick might need a tailored presentation, but I mean, if we have this document, it can be edited to >> include that information. >> So, when you're when you're using the base aid and um that's going to actually um have a uh a higher amount come into the than we had before, I think, but we'd have to take a look at that and then see how that impacts assessments. So just so everyone's aware, the numbers that are in this table do reflect all the chapter 78 for all three districts or works really community in this case, but they're all in this table. But David's point's a good one in that

038if we're looking here, these five are the the assessments that um the towns receive as for being part of the districts that they're currently a part of. So that does have chapter 78 baked into the calculation. I mean it's kind of it's it's way it's in there >> At the district level, right? It's in there. And eventually, you know, you get what the town's cost to educate the students in that district are. That's what we're looking at here. Um but the chapter 78 is part of that and it's taken off the top before you start calculating the assessments. Warwick is kind of its own own little animal, I guess, so to speak, and that it's operating its own budget, it own its own school. Um, it has its own chapter 78. The there is no

039quote unquote assessment for Warwick because that's assessment would only be in place if you're doing um if you're part of a regional school district, which Warwick currently is not a part of. So the approach we took was to include what the expenses are to that town. But the point is a good one in that this number does not include chapter 70 or does not show it as an offset I guess is probably a better way to say it. >> Whereas technically chapter 78 is being used in these numbers. >> So there's a little bit of like not apples to apples. Um >> so can you make that adjustment Matt? Um because you have this in a tool to uh offset that with uh their chapter 7 >> at least in the slide deck fix it

040is what I will argue. >> Sure. >> Yeah. So yeah either we could take either approach. Um but keep in mind the numbers we're looking at here. This is the the file from two years ago. So we didn't have it in there two years ago. >> So we then we then carried it forward this year not having it in there. But it is in our I think in our write up we might have we we made clear that we were focused just on expenses at the war level. >> Yes. Um, so yeah, I mean we we could I don't have the I don't have the FY24 number right here for tax, but >> you know what my t what the Warwick taxpayers pay for in property tax toward the school department, which is a K

041through2 district, but what they pay toward it is actually about $15,000 more than this uh what I saw in the slide deck was was predicting for Warwick's assessment. There is there is no $156,000 savings in making this change to Warwick. There's this there's less than $10,000 because of net chapter 70. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Um this number was meant to be a difference in expenses, but you're right. It is a it's not clear. Well, I mean I mean we have expenses, but if we don't if if the state meets it with $400,000 of Chapter 70 money, I don't think I should need to go on on this point. This is it's just let's compare apples with apples, at least going forward. >> Okay, >> David, I mean, because it's it sounds like Jake's recording

042like tomorrow. Um, would it like satisfy to have a a narrative about that that just like this doesn't um >> No, page 57 in the slide deck has got to get fixed because there ain't $156,000 of savings to Warwick. The taxpayers will not see a dollar and a half come off the tax rate because we do this. They won't see any change. What they will see, I think, is a district that isn't going to be that that's going to be in basic hold harmless going forward. >> Well, wait a minute. This is from two years ago, though. >> Yeah. But but to to Matt's point, they use this model when they as they went forward and and to the next one. So, um, so I would think, Matt, that if you, um, take that number,

043David, the the budget itself was what, like 1.1 million or something, the actual when you're referring to what's what's on the tax, >> total education was 1.5 million. >> Yeah. >> 1.18 was the district budget before chapter chapter 70. and the less chapter 70 is $876,000 on education. >> Okay. So, Matt, you should be able to Well, I'm thinking you could make that adjustment and it would ripple through. Correct. >> Well, he made about the ripple effect. I don't know. >> I don't have the 24 number. So, we're looking at the 24. >> Let's go. Yeah. So let's let's see if the cuz this was meant to show a comparison. So without the comparison, what where is it on the the current at the bottom? >> Uh I can I'm going to bring up the

044other file now. I was still just trying to >> I was trying to set the stage for for transitioning from here to the other file. So I'll just finish doing that real quick. Um >> okay. Uh hang on. And thank you, David. >> All right. So then this summary tab essentially is a quick comparative table for each of the six methodologies that we were focused on at the end of the work that we did two years ago. Um you can see all the towns going across the top. There's a current line that represents either the current assessments or the current expenses, general fund expenses at the time for Warwick. And then the projected which would be what the calculated assessments were would be for the six towns if they're part of a six uh six

045town region using the methodology that is right above. So you'll see that number seven was a one-year look at foundation enrollment. Number eight was a five-year rolling average of foundation enrollment. Number nine was a one-year look at required district contribution being the metric used. Number 10 was a five-year average of required district contribution. The group at the time two years ago was most interested in number eight because um I don't want to put words in people's mouths, but my understanding is it's the least impactful to all the towns when you look at it holistically. Um so that was the focus at the time. And um fast forward to now or um you know the last >> um being brought back in to run additional numbers. The thinking was okay we want to see that if

046we do if we update this analysis >> using the most current data >> which is FY26 data would it tell a similar story? Um, so we were asked to update the analysis using the latest data, which is what we've done. Um, and I will transition to that other file now. Oh, let the record show that Michelle has joined us now that I can see people. Diana Noble has joined us. She's on the uh both the finance committee and the school committee. I think she might be chair of both. I don't remember. Uh, school committee. Yes. finance. I'm not sure. And anyone else join us since we have people back? >> No. >> Hey Matt, I have a quick question. Um, >> yeah. >> With the with the assessments you ran two years ago, though that

047was under the assumption that we the that Desi was not going to honor uh base aid or basically some sort of hold harmless in a way of uh maintaining the three districts in in terms of where they were. So you ran it uh with the with an alternate assumption, right? >> No, we we ran it the same way two years ago. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We basically for for a six town region, we just took the three chapter 78 numbers and added them together. >> Oh, >> two years two years ago and and for this latest run. >> Okay. from Well, I had a moment there. I was just going to grab the chapter 78 from FY24. Okay. Um, so I have that now. I can put it in there. Share the file first. Okay.

048So, um I'm going to hide this just for a second not to confuse people. So, now we're looking at a summary tab that is the same layout, but this is what was produced when we did this most recent analysis over the last few months um using FI26 data. same exact calculations, same methodology to produce these numbers that we did two years ago. It was basically just updating the numbers in essence, updating the budget, updating the revenues, recalculating everything um produce the tables that we're looking at here. And as David pointed out, it's the same situation where we're just showing uh Warwick's costs rather than the cost offset by um chapter 78. But we can make that adjustment if that's the the wish of the group. We can do that. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> I can

049do that right now. So, um th this under the yellow header is the 26 data. And at some point, we thought it was prudent to do a side by side. So we we put into this tab on the right hand side the numbers that we were just looking at in the other file just so you could kind of see okay this area over here is what the numbers were saying two years ago. Then we can compare them easily to the numbers over here which is what was calculated very recently using FY26 data. So, um, I'll just finish with my opening comments and then I can make that adjustment. So, the focus two years ago was on number eight. And if you look at this table right here, these numbers should look familiar from what I

050just showed you. This is the snapshot that the group considered most favorable when we did this two years ago. So then if you fast forward that to what it looks like um with the latest numbers, it continues to show a similar picture and that the 5-year rolling average of foundation enrollment holistically is the least impactful to all the towns compared to the others. So what I want you to focus on when you when you see that is what these percentages down at the bottom are saying. Because when you go up above, you see some percentages that are a little bit higher for some of these other towns with some of these other metrics that we could be using for this methodology. Yeah, Matt, I I would just interject here that um to me what is

051meaningful about this is, you know, I mean, I I hear David's point, but uh really what what's important about this is seeing that the 5-year rolling average smooths out the percentage changes so that towns are not stuck with uh wide uh fluctuations in their budgets. And that's really what um the point of this is. I mean it, you know, we all knew going in that it's not going to necessarily save uh the towns uh much in terms of money and in terms of um cost, but the benefits are going to be significant. And what we're looking for is something that smooths out the fluctuations so that towns can budget care, you know, more carefully uh and not, you know, get subject to wide swings in in percentage um because of enrollment swings, right? I I

052think that's a good idea, but do recognize that the flip side of that coin is that you're paying a higher assessment than you would have with with things being more jagged following uh say the one-year foundation enrollment. So, you do while you would see an increase somewhere, you would the bill gets paid you. So, somebody's not seeing a savings. I I think budgetarily it makes sense, but I don't think it's just a all good necessarily. If my >> if my community was experiencing, you know, rapid declines in student numbers, I I would not see that, you know, that my costs are going down as fast as my student population. So, I I see I have two takeaways from this. The first takeaway is is that uh using the 5-year average that we have in the

053regional agreement based on the foundation budget that this kind of validates in my opinion uh that that uh that was the right language to use in the regional agreement. When I look at this slide, Matt, um I'm I'm wondering since it would be less amount as and I'm focused on Wick now. I'm on their um school committee as well when and and on the board of selectment when I look at WoW um if you back out the uh the chapter 70 money and um you know obviously it's going to show WOIC is is that that savings number or assessment number is not um is going to change dramatically. But in terms of the overall assessment, um, since it's a lower amount, I what what would your I I don't know if that would change those

054bottom lines a lot. So, can you comment on that? >> Comment on what specifically >> on the percentages across the bottom when you when you when you make that adjustment? >> Yeah. What do you see it doing to those percentages that we're looking at in the other towns? >> It won't touch the other towns. It's it would just be an adjustment to work. >> Correct. Okay. >> I can make that change right now. So essentially essentially what I think and David again I don't want to put words in your mouth, >> but I think what you're saying is this 1.185 million does not represent >> the impact to tax you said taxpayers earlier. Um because this is just costs. It's not offset by chapter 70. >> Chapter 70. Mhm. >> So if we take out

055the chapter, if we offset this number by chapter 78, does that get to the point that you're looking for? >> Exactly. Yes. >> You're not thinking about offsetting with other things, too. Just the chapter 78. >> This is a the picture the picture this paints of great savings for us doing this, which is wrong. I want that corrected. I really haven't thought about how it cascades through the model. Right. No, that's not my That's not my >> It would change It would change the total number far to the right. >> That is true. >> Yeah, I agree with that. >> Yeah, >> I agree with that. >> So, wouldn't show as much overall savings for the district as a whole. >> Yeah. >> Karen, did you teach math? >> Yes, I did. >> It shows.

056She was an English teacher. >> No, >> a science teacher. But I started off in math because I didn't have a math teacher. >> All right, I'll give him a second. Let's see what this looks like. And I'll give >> But after all this, let's remember, we didn't get in this for cost savings. >> I just don't want anybody seizing, >> right? Oh, and and I I really uh Thank you, David. Um >> I have the chapter 70 FY26 number is 392,000ish. So, I just threw that in there. And I can throw the FY24 number in here, too. So, why he's doing this, Greg, you can um take this because this is gonna and and do whatever the snapshot is. I'll give uh Jake a call because he's not doing that voice over until tomorrow.

057>> I can send him this latest file, too. >> Oh, okay. Thank you. >> I was going to say it's not it's not in there at this point anyway >> with the most recent. We can we can have what if we need to. >> Yeah. >> Well, what if if that basic slide that we have if that's in there? Um, >> right. Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. We got to absolutely correct that because it shows I think it was like a $313,000 uh savings and that is not the case because of chapter 7 not deducted. >> All right. So, it's in there. And so, um, what does it show? Because I can't read it. Does it say 10? >> Yeah. So, if you look at war now, it's a 10% increase. >> Okay. >> About $79,000

058for that one particular table, that one methodology, which is the five-year rolling average of foundation enrollment. >> The other metrics show a little differently. A one year is a 5.7% increase. Um the options one and two are between 9.7 and 10.8%. >> Yeah. >> And you're over 15 for the ones at the bottom. >> Okay. >> So David, you and I can talk later about the tax rate implications comparisons. All right. Again, you know, the money is not our main argument. The argument is trying to >> do at the junior and senior high school level and and survive the future. >> Yeah. No, I I agree. I I mean the this change doesn't really bother me because to me the whole uh idea with the assessments was to find a methodology that would smooth over

059the the the changes for six towns as opposed to you know three or two in the case that we have currently. Um and so to me finding you know number eight still makes sense to me no matter how these numbers play out. So >> I I agree and I don't look at this in terms of how does this impact my town. I I like to see some good public policy. So that you know the five-year averaging that to me that makes for good public policy even though it might be some short-term gains foregone >> for having a one-year. And my biggest terror with the Warwick Tiny Town School District is success. And if everybody starts to buy a house here and send their kid here. >> Well, the other thing to think about too is

060uh and and my assump my assumption is when we discuss this with Desi is that uh when we form a new region, if we form a new region, then that becomes the base year. So they may in quotes hold us harmless in terms of making the transition. Uh but we're not going to be in hold harmless back from calculating uh you know an aggregate enrollment figure. It's going to be starting new. >> Well, did they do a so the the two robs for Warwick did the calculation? They they didn't I I always thought they'd extrapolate from our you know pioneer and give us a proportionate share of our 8.6%. 6%. But they recalculated and and found that we were deserving of >> local aid and and we're on the we added we add a child

061to our 60 member district. We get aid. >> Yeah. Because you started >> what's going to happen with the new district? Is it going to be in that position? >> Yeah. the growth. I mean, that that's a reason alone for the district to combine because if Pioneer adds a 100 kids, they aren't going to get but 100 times $30. >> That's my point. Yeah. Is that when they combine and you've got a new region, it it starts it re it basically resets the base year. >> Damn, everybody should do this. >> It's Well, it's a strong It's a strong reason to regionalize. It's like changing workers comp carriers. >> That's right. It's like starting over. I mean, that's And depending on where your your uh region started back in ' 92 or whenever they started

062this, you know, they saw it as a a real boon as long as it increased in enrollment, topped out in 96, and then it's been kind of crap ever since. So, >> yeah. And and just not to belabor this, but just so you know, in the long range plan, I had in there for the state to, you know, have legislation to support the transitional superintendent, business administrator, special ed, and then also put in a piece that there would be 70, I think it was $75 per student, first year, 50 to second, and 30 to and 25 the third because there needs to be uh support um that uh in this new venture. And one district tried it. It didn't. This would be, not to uh use a familiar word, but we would be pioneers in

063in in blazing a trail for other communities to either come in or to follow this model. So we shall see. Um so Matt, what so are um let me think. So I was going to have the board uh accept your report. Does this change? How much has this changed the It does change the narrative a bit. So we should we could you could just amend the narrative here to the correction that you just made um regarding Woick. So it's pure. So we're comparing apples to apples and in all towns were treated exactly this, you know, the same way. That's that's really important. So, if you could make that adjustment in your report, then I think that I could ask people because I want to move on to um accept it as amended. >> Yeah, I

064can do that. >> Does anyone any other questions um for Matt and Mark? Well, Mark's not here, but for Matt, you did a lot of work on this, and I love the fact that you have a tool uh to be able to in real time fix this. Um, so you you send it on, please, and if you feel so you could give Jake a call, let him know what we're doing. I'll follow that up if this meeting doesn't get over too late. Um, does anyone want So, how do people feel? Can we accept the >> Arinda has a question? >> Yeah, I I realize >> Can you take this away so I can see people? >> Yeah, I realize I didn't have my question from earlier answered or if I missed it. Sorry. >> Just

065the Does this include any assumptions like the other presentation did or no? Because it's just actual previous costs. >> When you say the other presentation, are you referring to two years ago? I'm sorry. >> Right. Like the like >> Yep. the central district savings. It doesn't assume any of that, right? >> No, it does. It's the same exact setup as last time with just with updated numbers. So instead of using numbers from two years ago, >> everything's the same. It's just using numbers from this year, FY26. >> Okay. But there are still calculations related to the increased cost for teacher salaries. Still calculations related to increased costs for the health insurance changes and still calculations related to savings identified for the central office. It's just using FY26 numbers rather than 24 numbers. >> Great. Thank

066you. Then a motion to approve. >> Alan, I have a quick question. >> Sure. kind of kind of I probably not in the right place, but I'm just curious. All of this is subject to a negotiation with the new teachers union. >> Correct. >> I mean, what what you said out here still needs to be negotiated with their union. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. I I just you know you make an assumption and and you know this might be the salary I I'm just you know this is the health insurance these are all assumptions they're not I just wanted to make sure that >> yeah so the process is Deb that uh so I'm going to second the motion uh and now we're having a discussion so the um the process is that there's a

067transition uh school committee that does the things that you're talking about and that in the long range plan. I'm asking for money for legal fees for that to happen, for money for those uh salary adjustments, insurance, and so forth. So that uh you know, Stacey's going to have some skin in the game as long as well as the legislators. So um so that that happens if it if it passes in all the towns we move to um the implementation phase and the towns cannot uh you know be affording that additional money. The state will have to um through its legislation and our legislators provide that. So, we have a motion and a second to Oh, >> well. So, I just want to So, the assessments that you have there, what you're saying is uh and

068I'm playing the devil's advocate from the teacher. So, the teachers say no, this is not an acceptable salary. It needs to be this. We'll say it passes, you know, and you agree, but it's higher than the assessments that you have in this table. You're saying DesiE would have to pick up the difference? >> No, I'm saying that there will need to be additional funding to support this new district and that it this this piece is subject to negotiations with the with the unions. So we there are we can make we only can make assumptions on what we know and looking forward. um the other things, you know, will >> the other things you know will uh occur through the negotiation process. >> One thing that I think we're very fortunate on is is that we

069have um an attorney that has familiarity with all three districts and um and he's negotiated with all three districts. So, we're not like starting over in terms of negotiation. Everybody knows each other. it's just uh consolidating and then sitting at the at the table. So, I don't know what that will produce. None of us do. So, we um we know that they'll have to be negotiated and there are legal fees to accommodate that. Raina, you have your hand up. Yeah, I just had a question about um so the the funds for the transition um is that guaranteed from Desi or is that something that we have to ask for and you know make you know that they provide those funds to help us with that transition. >> Right. So that will be in the trans

070that's in the uh the long range plan and that's something that um that our legislators will have to champion for us. >> Okay. >> With I would think with Desi's support if they're you know if they're behind this then uh then we should all be on the same page and trying to make this to happen. >> Okay. Great. Thank >> Thank you. Are we ready to vote? Move to the next thing. All right. I'm not hearing yourselves. David, you're on my left side now. You keep moving all over the screen. Stay in the chair. I'll sat with David. >> David, yes. >> Alan Genevese, yes. Derinda, >> yes. >> Uh Deborah, you're over there now. >> Yes. >> And Karen, >> yes. >> Michelle, welcome. Yes, >> Greg. >> Yes. >> And Raina. >> Yes.

071>> And Deb Pay. >> Yes. >> And who's down the bottom right? S. Is that Steve? >> No. >> Who is S Rh? Oh, somebody that's participating. Oh, that's Mike. >> Mike Jackson. >> And then we just had Steve, join us. >> Yeah. >> Um, okay. Well, we're we're ready for you in a second. So, you're not late on that part. All right. So, did I get everybody for the vote? Okay. So, that finishes that up. Matt, you're going to send that along and um I'll probably give you a call as soon as the meeting's over. So, I just I want to make sure that that, you know, presentation captures that piece. We can follow up. Uh, all right. So, we can Matt, thank you. And thank you, Dad, for all the work that he

072did with you on this. >> Okay. >> And for following up with uh for Desi. >> I know that he had sent some emails that I wasn't aware of. They informed me asking them about this point about base aid and he hadn't gotten a response. So, it was really nice that we we actually got a concrete response from them finally. >> Yeah. >> So, that was good. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you, Matt. And now we move over to the regional agreement. Um, so you're here in place of Jay. >> Yes, it appears that way. Yeah, Jay's in the middle of moving, so I don't know if he had internet or not. >> Okay. Am I going to be following up with you tomorrow then instead of Jay? Does Will that make sense? >>

073Sure. >> Okay. All right. So, um I'll give you a call after so we can set a time because there's some a few things that we have to uh make sure are are correct before we send it off to uh Desi who was looking for this and I I told him that after this meeting we would get this to them. So, um let me think. So, at the last meeting, Jay went over the a clean copy of the document with all all of the changes, and I could have had you vote to accept that and, you know, amend that. And matter of fact, Karen asked that question. Uh, should we do that? And, um, I said no. Uh, it wasn't that I wasn't ready. it. I wanted to have one motion as an amendment to

074the uh proposed regional agreement which would include the school closure language which we have been working on for a long time to try to get that uh right and to um also protect the interest of our elementary schools or the heart of the community and we have four and um so we were trying to craft language that uh would uh allow that to continue unless there were some pretty unusual circumstances. So I I think the focus of this meeting will be to focus on the school closure language which everyone I hope has and then when we finish that if we can agree to this language then I will uh be entertaining a motion to accept the uh the amendments to the proposed agreement. And if I can get that tonight, uh Steve, your team will

075be after tomorrow on Thursday. Hopefully everything's going to Desi and we can finish this up with them because I explained it that and correct me if I'm wrong that pretty much all the feedback you you provided to us in the redline version that uh we went over and uh so Desi is pretty much finished that process uh with the exception of the school closure language and so this is going to be their focus. Is that correct Steve? Yes. Okay. >> Closure. They did have some concerns on that. So, we've given you certain given you a proposal on it. You've got to make some decisions. >> Yeah. All right. So, everyone has uh Do you want to call that up uh on the screen, Greg? >> Yeah, I'm I'm looking for it because uh I wasn't

076expecting to do that. So, now I've got to go find it. Yeah. >> Is that what you sent us today, Greg? Process to close a school. >> Uh I I sent today the slides. I didn't I think I sent that uh with the packet. >> Yeah. >> So I can find it in the packet. I just got to go to my email real quick. >> Yeah. It it was very confusing to me. I didn't know if it was all one proposal or several different ones. >> Yeah, there's a couple of options. That's why it was a little confusing. So, let me that's probably a good lead, Karen, just for me to put some context to this. Um, because we tried a couple of different things. We tried school closure language that involved um using a

077schedule uh three that the school that was going to be closed would would have to uh come up with uh the money for that schedule. We eventually did not go with that. We looked at per pupil and saw looked at how that would work and we just spent a lot of time on this. So the end result is this. The school closure language has a very comprehensive process in the beginning and this is all one document that uh captures all the things that would that would need to happen uh for for beginning to consider closing a school. So this it's the the the first part should be pretty familiar uh to you because I believe it was in the the first uh in our proposed agreement about uh the study and the the composition of

078the people doing the study and the timeline and the public hearing and then eventually you know making a recommendation to the school committee. And so um where it took a little detour is uh we decided that uh that's a pretty significant uh decision. And we also had conversations about you know rural schools are different than than uh urban schools and uh city um city schools >> and that um that you know you can close a school there and the transportation people are close by in their elementary school. they um uh they have the ability to to um to do that and it's not a real big impact but in our small communities that's a that's a pretty big impact. So number four after all of uh the feasibility study it says the uh committee will

079will then vote to uh to close the school or to keep it open. The vote shall require and this is where we set a a pretty strong bar. It requires a threearter vote. At least 10, this is at least 10 of the 13 members of the full committee with representation from at least four towns voting to support closure and the vote shall be held at a regularly scheduled meeting. Now, there were some back stories to this. One of them was, as you know, uh the Monagu had six votes uh in in the um districtwide elections, and they graciously gave up that and they have five votes because they didn't they didn't want to, um be controlling, uh you know, the the whole district. So, um we made this 10 because it's it's really a a

080really super majority. It's a very high threshold. So this is um and then on the other on five it said only if the committee uh votes to close the school in question every member town uh at their uh annual or special town meeting to approve or not to uh uh approve the committee vote to close the school if it in question if a twothirds vote of member towns. So that's four out of six um vote for the closure with a majority vote. The school committee will then clo clo close on June 30th. So we have a super majority basically a threequarter at its committee level and two/3s at the at the town level which is consistent I believe with statute. Now we have another piece and so this is still all part of it. Um

081the school committee uh if if after two consecutive years uh the uh elementary school has in seat enrollment. Now this would include residents tuition school choice is 20 or less students. The committee may initiate a feasibility study with a twothirds majority vote. a committee vote to close the school in question and requires a twothirds majority vote and then all the member towns will will vote uh on the U committee recommendation close the school and the towns will close if there's a majority vote to support the committee vote to close uh in twothirds of the member towns at an annual special town meeting. Um, we were thinking that if a school really got that small, 15, whatever, 10, that there, and the school committee doesn't have to do this, but if it it's doing this under

082the really significant um low enrollment, then the bar would be lowered from where it was before. Mhm. >> So, we were trying to be fair to all of the towns and we're trying to uh recognize how important it is for the elementary schools to remain in their towns and then we remain open when at all possible. >> Alan, I don't know if you can hear me, but I have a question. >> Um, I can hear you really well. Yes. >> Okay. I'm sorry. I changed. I'm on a cell phone now because the other one I I was losing a lot of stuff. Um >> I hear better now. >> So the qu the question is and and it pertains to all of this that's happening when you say the town votes. So, for instance, in

083Gil, one person is a vote. In Monagu, you have town meeting members. And so, I'm curious if when this goes to a town vote, what type of town vote they're going to use because there could be different outcomes. Um, so in this process that you're talking about when it says and and the town must approve at their at their town meeting. Do you get what I'm saying? I don't know if Leiden is a one-on-one, one person, one vote. >> I don't know what Northfield is, but I know Monu is different, >> right? And so that's a good point. So in the five towns, it's it's uh it's town meeting vote. There's representation vote in Monagu as you point out. And so, um, Darrena, you I'm going to defer this to you, but my understanding would

084be that that would be, um, uh, in order for your town to support or not support, it'd be a, um, let's see, >> town meetings. Town meeting. >> Well, no, they don't have a town meeting, though, David. They have they have a representative. So, how would that work? >> Meeting. >> Yeah, that's true. Dire, how would you respond to that? But it's but it but it's not a open it's a representative town meeting. It's still a town meeting. >> Well has one. It's still a town meeting. In that case you're a town meeting member and those are the people that'll be deciding it in Monagu. >> Yeah. >> Right. But at this point in time when you talk about are we going to become a regional school district or not I'm assuming that Monagu one

085person one vote not town meeting members. That's I think that's what they're assuming to be honest with you. >> No. >> Well, to me it's town it it's the representation. So they have a town meeting that is has representatives that represent the different precincts and so their vote just like on any other vote that they do the budget or whatever would follow that same process. I I would think that would have to be clarified because once again, not only in this language, but going forward to what's going to happen in November. I mean, you don't have your town meeting members deciding who's going to uh be the town cemetery, whatever, or the or the county sheriff. You have one person, one vote. And I think, you know, this just brings to light what is going

086to happen in Monagu. >> Okay. So, let's talk about that for a minute. But this is not a ballot question. I mean, you could have a secret ballot, I suppose, at a town meeting, but this is not a ballot question. This is a vote at town meeting. Dinda, how do you how do you think that would work? >> Why don't you ask Michelle? We at town meetings we have we have our elections the next day. >> Hello. Um Walter Ramsey just sent out an email to all the towns that Monu Select Board voted to have the meeting on Saturday. Um, so it's their whatever however they do their town meeting, they have representatives. >> Wow. >> This is unless they decide to have it as a ballot question. So I think someone should ask the

087Montigue Select Board. >> Yeah. I don't think all the other towns we could we would have a special town meeting, but it may be it may be that the moderator gives out um a ballot that people have to um put yes or no. >> I'm sorry. That would that was the next question that was proposed to me in a small meeting was is this a is this a secret ballot or are we just raising hands at our town meeting as usual? >> Yeah, it could be either. I mean and you can you know it can be decided that it's going to be a paper ballot. Um, but even if you do it by hand, that can be challenged by a group of a certain percentage and it can be then brought to a paper ballot.

088>> Okay. >> Yeah. But that's >> I can say something. >> No, that that's that's for most that's for most anyone any town that does not have a a representational government. >> So, let me just let me just clarify. So, at a town meeting in the five towns that there's the uh the warrant article, uh it'll be on the floor. The select board are the ones that call the meeting and and put the warrant article on. The people will then debate, discuss, deliberate on the warrant article. It'll eventually come to a vote. The vote will either but be by hand or someone could ask for it to be on a paper ballot and there's paper, pencil, whatever distributed and people write whether they support it or not and they're tallied and then they make the

089announcement. So that's going to happen in any one of the five towns because this is not like a debt exclusion or anything that Proposition 2 would have or something. Um now in in uh the um case of Monagu um my assumption was that uh the the it's the representatives that get together like they would on anything else and that uh they would debate it and then uh there would be a vote to support the uh the warrant article or not. and however they vote on things will because they're representing their constituents from each precinct then then whatever um the outcome of that vote it either passes or not. >> Alan, if I could come in on a representative town meeting and I've been a member of representative town meeting, >> please also in a town

090with it and when they set up the representative town meeting, each town meeting member is representing the same number of people. So you're talking about the one person one vote. They're representing X number and they have to sometimes make the changes and move things around to make sure that remember some one person doesn't represent say 500 people another represents 200. They come up with a number that each town representing town meeting is representing and then the represent Tom meeting by law then is the governing body that town meetings do. So it is a town meeting. It's by representative but they were elected at town elected at the ballot. usually an election and then they represent an equal number of people. So again, one person, one vote, that's how that's covered in the representative town meeting.

091>> Okay. No, I I I understand that whole process. I think what I don't know how many in Durinda would know how many town meeting members there are in Monagu. >> She said there was 125. >> Okay, >> it's close to that. It's not that's not evenly divisible by six. I can't exactly remember what it is. Maybe your mic remembers, >> but 126. Yeah. >> Okay. So, I was just curious. It once again, I held a small little meeting and people said, "Am I going to get to vote?" And I said, "Yeah, I don't know." And so, once again, in this procedure that you have right here in number six and five, that's why I was I was curious. and Direinder, I would just, you know, I don't know how the word gets out in

092Monagu that this is not something you're going to vote on individually. This will be done by town meeting members. Um, and I think that's a uh I think it's such a a hot topic to be honest with you. um that uh I would think that um we all know how you can stack a ballot and get all your people who want to vote for you know police cars and garbage trucks or whatever. I'm just it's not up to me. It's up to the people of Monagu. Um I'm I just want to bring it up because it's not some of their understanding right now. The other thing I would add is at at representative Tom when I was representative Tom meeting members of my the pre people that I represented contacted me. So you can contact

093your representative Tom meeting member and say hey I think we would like you to consider this and please uh do that. That's how we want you to do. So if enough people contact them usually they'll probably they vote what people in their represent what their town or their precinct want them to do. Yeah. >> So, someone >> someone flashed up on the screen. I I don't know if it was um I read there were six precincts. They do this what every seven years and it was times something and I missed it. Um whoever that who was that that did that? >> Mike Jackson wrote six precincts times three years times seven members. >> Okay. >> Um so, so there's 126 town meeting members. And yeah, so people anyone in Monagu can speak during town meeting.

094Um but not everybody can vote. So and yeah, they can contact their um precinct representatives >> and also attend public meetings. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. So on hand with this. So we're back to the school closure language and then um so Karen, this is one one section >> broken into two parts. Both require feasibility study. there's a high threshold and if enrollment is really low, this hoop committee can can look at it again. >> So, we we thought that was the fairest way to handle this >> and then uh and then it gets into language that's just very familiar um that and it's been in a lot of region agreements where you compensate the district for three years and you do a percent and so forth. So, that's the long

095and the short of >> but the rest of it if you take the last paragraph >> Yep. Isn't that in conflict with everything you said before? >> At the conclusion of the feasibility study, the school committee will vote on the closure >> on the closure of the school in question. >> Right. >> It says unanimous vote of the committee. >> Vote to close the school will require unanimous vote of the committee. That should not say that. >> Yeah. And the school in question >> and that was taken out. It was should it it was a u it was a two-thirds vote. Well, only if you're referring to number six. >> Correct. >> All right. There's also another thing in conflict. >> Okay. >> The school in question will close if all the member towns to

096a vote to approve the committee recommendation. >> Yeah, that should have been deleted. Um, that that was old language and I'm not sure why that's even there. That should have been >> I went over this with uh with Jay Steve and there were some things. >> Yeah, I'm looking for to see if if >> I can look at the old one. >> There's been so many versions sent out. I just want to make sure we got the right one. So, I'm I'm taking a look. I'm trying to look as well. >> No, I have it. I have all >> I mean, this says 9. This is labeled 9725. So, that was two days ago. >> Yeah. >> And the other, you know, the other than that, I have a one that's dated uh September 2nd.

097>> Yeah. So the the one that was cross if the school committee votes to close the school the member towns require two options to close the school. So that was removed. Um and this last one should say >> two towns vote to approve it. That's what you said on the other side. >> Yeah. Let's Let's try Let me try sharing this. Hold on. This one looks different. Greg mentioned we've had so many versions of this and discussions of what we want in. >> Yeah. Let me just see. >> I think we've we've we've just got to clean this up. I think we finally have something that um we can bring to Desi and and see uh because we had a conversation with Desi earlier about schedule 3 and a way that we were proceeding and

098and um >> but I want to see >> they asked a lot of good questions but we need to amend this >> and I want to see that >> let's take a look at this option B here >> whatever it is before I take a vote >> yeah let's see this does this look right option B after two consecutive years school in seat enroll moment lesson 20 >> uh initiate a feasibility study with a 34 majority vote that's right >> vote is in the question require 3/4 majority vote all member towns will vote on the committee recommendation to close >> that's what should have been sent out >> yeah all right that's it's funny because that doesn't appear to be the most recent dated so that's dated 92 and the other one's dated 97 so

099>> anyway but we got it that's the main So that would be what we're voting on. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And the rest should be I think the same as as far as if you want to take a look at it quickly. >> Okay. Um can I look at six again just to be the grammar person? >> Sure. >> Steve, take notes. Where's the part about 20 in there? Or is that an option B now? >> That's in option B now. >> Could I see that part again? >> You're sure? >> All right. Um except it's 20. It should be 20 or fewer students, not less. >> Okay. Steve. Steve, you there? >> Yeah, I'm here. >> Because you're going to be editing this with me tomorrow just to make sure we capture what

100what the planning board is talking about. >> That's my grammar thing. >> No, thank you. >> All the way. >> We thank you. We thank you for that. >> And um sometimes you cap capitalize committee and sometimes you don't. So just make sure that's consistent. Okay. >> Yep. That should be 20 or fewer students. Is that correct? >> Yes, that's correct. >> Yeah, >> I should have caught that. I married an English teacher. She catches those things. >> I don't know. For some reason, that one really gets to me. Less or fewer. >> Yeah, >> totally gets to me too, Karen. You're not alone. That is a huge pet peeve. >> Yeah, right. Less money, fewer dollars. >> Yeah, you can count one, you can't really count the other. >> Oh, interesting. Um, okay. So,

101that uh that's a review. We want to uh So, what I'm looking for is a vote to approve the re the proposed regional agreement as amended. as amended. It includes what we talked about at the last meeting where Karen said, "Do you want to vote?" And I said, "No, I want to do it in one vote >> until we have the whole thing." >> And that was the reason uh why I postponed it to this meeting and then we can finally move forward. >> All right. Um, I move that that we uh accept this amendment and to the original regional agreement that we discussed at the last meeting. >> Right. Just for so so for clarity um you're saying that we uh you're we we we we your motion is to approve the amended proposed

102region agreement and recommend this to the um to the towns. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Second. >> Okay. Dan is fine. >> All right. I can't see folks. So, um, >> you need a second. >> I think I I think I had There was a second, wasn't there? >> Yeah, there was a couple. >> Yeah, Darren, it's fine now. >> Okay, thank you. Um, all right. Uh, so we're voting all those in favor. Karen, now you're to my left and David's at to the right. >> I vote yes. >> Uh, Alan Genevies, yes. Deb, you're at the top now. Deba Pay, >> yes. >> Uh, Raina, >> um, abstain. >> Okay. Uh, Direinda, >> yes. >> And Michelle, >> yes. >> David, >> yes. >> Uh, Greg, >> yes. >> And Deb Loomer,

103>> yes. >> Okay, so that is the meat of things. And so, thank you for that, Steve. Um, let's talk in the morning to make sure that the amendments that were made at the previous meeting are all and we have that recorded um are all included for what's going forward along with this. All right. >> Okay. Um, Greg, you have that the one you just put up with that option B? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Can you send that out, please? Send it to me as well. >> Yep. Just make sure you got the most recent version. Oh, yep. All right. So, let's see. We've got the assessments done. We got Jake's presentations done. Uh we have the agreement. So, uh Steve, thank you. You can hang around if you want. Um but that uh thank

104you for for your input on that. So, let's um back up. So, we have the community outreach. I'm going back to five just to make sure we touch on those pieces. We have um meeting scheduled for Gil on the 15th. The WOIC is not going to happen on the 18th because I haven't had a chance to um get that publicized. So if someone wants to look at that date, we have Northville the 25th, Leiden the 30th, and Leiden has a much bigger thing going on there um for their town. And so Michelle, I I guess um uh per your suggestion, Greg will reach out to Kathy to see if we can get uh another meeting to outreach. All right. And then uh Warwick would be October 2nd and on here it's uh Northfield on the

10530th. North on September >> um sorry September 25th which is a Thursday at 6 and then um it's the 18th of October which is a Saturday at 10 and then October 30th which is a Thursday at 6. It's a little bit it's a little bit wrong on the agenda. >> Yeah. Can you say that again then? It's not the 25th. It's the 26th in September. No, >> it's 25th of September on Thursday at 6 PM. >> Yeah, >> it's a Thursday. On the agenda, it says Saturday, >> right? It's Thursday. >> Okay. >> Greg is gonna be there for all of them. >> Yeah. And then September >> October 30th and September >> October October 18th which is Saturday at 10:00 a.m. and then October 30th which is a Thursday at 6. All of them

106are in the meeting room at the >> Dickinson Memorial Library in North >> Okay. All right. And then I I received something just so people know what the dates are. I received something an email from uh Karen Kelly. um from uh Berneston and she was suggesting uh October 3rd um the 8th. Greg, you got this email as well. So, she was looking at a Friday and a midweek and a Saturday. >> So, um so the only one we don't have, I believe, is Monagu. David, I'm going to try to schedule um a couple and I want to talk to you about that. Um and David is is has arranged one to have a meeting with people that worked really hard on the educational plan of the WOIC schools. So he's going to meet with them

107and and uh hear their concerns and have an open discussion. So I'm glad you're doing that, David. So what about So the only one left now is Monagu. Is that correct? >> I guess so. And so can you get back to us on that and to Greg and we'll fill in that one. >> Right. Well, I mean I guess that's something I have to plan. Right. >> Um or reach out to the town. Just reach out to like Walter and and the select board and see if there's a a date that you can reserve um place. >> Yeah. Yeah. Know it could be at the high school. could be at the town hall if there's a big enough space. >> So, just avoid these dates and I will try to be there as well. And

108and Greg doesn't have to be I was going to say it doesn't have to be you, Dire. Just you could request a a meeting time. >> Yeah, Walter had reached out to me, but I sort of didn't know what to say yet. >> Yeah, that's fine. You got you still, you know, you have some time. See, see if they can find a a date that works. If you want if you wanna if you wanna loop me in on on an email, that's fine, too. >> Um I have I have a question about um somebody from the finance committee in Northfield uh emailed me. She wanted like maybe maybe the slide deck um to improve on or tweak the the great flyer that Jerinda made. She thought she could do something more like a deeper dive.

109That'd be good. >> I didn't want to I don't I'm not doing that. Um but I didn't know if that would be okay to just direct her to the um Six Towns website when those um when the deck goes on there and she can create it. >> She's just somebody who seems to be really interested in doing that. Is that okay? Yeah, as long as as long as they run it by us, you know, before they, you know, disseminate it just so we, you know, we make sure it's not out of context or anything. >> Okay. I'll have her send it to me and then I'll I'll send it to you guys. >> Okay. >> Um, so I'm going to tie two other quick things together here and they're they're all related. in terms of

110the uh the um coordinating on the same town at the same day that does not look likely to happen. Um and so Darrena had brought to our my attention that if it was on the same day and people um I mean Greg and I have been so intimately familiar with every single aspect of this and would be doing presentations it was like well who would be at the town meeting to get into the deeper dives of questions that come up and so if we're all having them on the same day we would not be available. So maybe it's a good thing that um it it's going to have to be uh not on the same day. Uh Northfield I heard was u potentially looking at the midweek in maybe the second week in November. Does

111that sound right? Did you hear anything about what they were thinking? >> Doesn't sound right to me. >> Pardon? >> Doesn't sound right to me. Let me look it up. So the um so Walter sent out an email today. Walter the Mongu Town Administrator um the Mongu Select Board discussed last night and it looks like they're going to do Saturday the um what uh Saturday the 15th. And so I I looked at Northfield's historically Northfield had said well they usually do theirs the second Wednesday and that's what the website says for their special town meetings. So Walter had asked in the email that people either meet on the 15th or after the 15th. So you can sort of get a core on the 15th and then people after. I don't know. Northfield's I think meeting

112this evening. So, I don't know if they're going to decide to disrupt their normal flow or not, which would be the 12th, which would be before everybody >> before >> everybody. What? >> So, so Walter had asked that people either meet on the 15th or try to meet after the 15th. So it's not like you know one person meets early and um >> tries to control the narrative essentially >> so that it's either like the majority on the 15th and then anyone who wants to do their own thing after that ideally. >> All right. So this is a town decision and the select board create the you know put it on the warrant. So it's their meeting. So um it should be on people's you know the um we should share the dates of when

113the towns are doing it forformational purposes but um uh they should be having those conversations about when when um that should happen. Now let me put this in the context of uh we have a responsibility once we have our regional agreement uh cleared through the legal with um with Desi then it's our obligation 45 days before the first town meeting where that that's going to be that we have the warrant article that it would be going to the uh the select boards to include on their town meeting. So, um I just want to bring that to the forefront of, you know, we there's a process that we will have to follow, but we can have those requesting the town meeting, but we can have the conversations about what makes sense for the towns and when

114they're planning to do it. Um so that when they get that official notice, they've already had a an idea of uh when that would be. I just have to make sure that I back into that correctly. Uh Greg, >> I just I'm kind of curious. Is there any precedent for uh the clerks to withhold the results of the vote until all towns have uh voted? >> I don't know if you can do that. I >> I I'm just asking. I don't know either. >> How do you get a 100 participants to agree to that? >> I just I mean that would that would take some of the politicizing out of it because then you wouldn't have you know you wouldn't have a recorded vote yet until all all six towns have voted. >> I don't

115know. That's an interesting question. I don't know if >> I don't think you can withhold those votes, tell you the truth, Greg. And I I would agree with Greg. >> It's not withholding the vote. It's just holding the port the reporting of it. >> I don't think they can hold that. That's a public, you know, the counted. It's in. So, I think it'd be question I think you're right. I just thought I would ask the question. Yeah, >> it would be a good way to get some coverage of it. >> It's going to sell some papers. Um, >> don't want me to see it. So that was wonderful. >> I just wanted to mention that Walter, there have been many emails going around about the date. So we are all talking about it. >> Okay,

116great. >> It's not like the towns are not talking about the date. Leiden is open to whatever. I mean, we've talked about a Saturday. We've talked about not a Saturday. So >> those >> Yeah. And we've been we've been going, you know, emailing Walter back with our, you know, responses. So, um, >> Alan, I put it on your agenda. >> Thank you. >> On November 15th, and the town clerk's good with that date. >> Oh, >> no. Thank you. November 15th. >> Um, did any No one Oh, does anyone else have November 15th? >> That's the Saturday that >> the Saturday. Yeah. >> I thought everybody was falling in line. And then and then on Alan's other point like if they're if they're at similar times of day then we have to have >> six

117people who can do a good presentation >> or we have it if the the two on Saturday one could be at 9 in the morning and one could be in two in the afternoon. >> That's right. >> You know so we could just stagger the time and we would be able to accommodate that. And I I hope we can do that because to me that would make sense to just have them at different times. Um, another issue that was brought up and I know that uh, Deb Put felt strongly about this and that had to do with the um, providing child care and um, you know there's a whole process to that and Dire and I talked a little bit about that in terms of nowadays of course you have people that have to be

118um, you know, they have to be Corey checked that um, you know, we just can't have any volunteers. Dire pointed out that there's school staff, PTO and so forth that are already Corey Tech and they may step forward and so I reached out to um >> I guess I just want to say >> parents felt strongly about that. I was just relaying the young parents I met with who said please have child care. >> Um and I will say there are people in Northville including I would volunteer my daughter who is Corey chat. I would get her to be helpful. So, I can't speak for all the towns, but I would do my best to make something like that happen. >> Yeah. All right. Thank you, Deb. So, I heard you loud and clear and

119I was sort of uh following that up to see, you know, what that would look like and what that would entail. >> Um and I reached out to Jane Dutcher because I I was curious and I was talking to her about a couple things and she reminded me that um why are you talking about that? She said, "This is a town meeting. It's it's the the board of selectmen are having the meeting, and if they're interested in having child care, then they would bring that up and and maybe ask for help or organize it or whatever." And so, um I I I >> no, >> she made me stop and pause. So, I don't know. Um, I think it's our initiative, but um, you know, we can we could certainly play a a strong role

120in that and I suspect maybe wo will decide we're going to do child care and we'll figure out how. But I guess I'm saying that probably should be left up to each town. >> I totally agree what they want to do. >> I totally agree. I don't think they all ought to do it >> take that on. >> I I think it's very hard to do. I do think that during presentations that could be a helpful thing. um not just the town vote, but yeah, >> I think we should all just try to do our best and work with the town. >> So, let's have that conversation at the town level, you know, to to see how that would go. I'm sorry, Karen, I interrupted you. >> No, you didn't interrupt me. Um, so this

121is a just a logistical practical question. When will Dessie get their decision back to us? And do we have to just cancel everything if they say no? It's not acceptable. >> Yes. Well, my answer would be they've already approved uh everything except the um from my perspective uh the uh school closure language >> and that I think what we should do now is at the same time that we're sending that out to the back to uh the to Desi, I think it should be released to the towns, we put it out there with the disclaimer that they will be sending it to their um uh you know, legal to to review it, but um uh you know, this this is what the planning board has proposed and is is sending forward and we're waiting for

122final feedback from Desi because I I don't want to hold on to it any longer. I think people people need to read it and and ask questions. >> Once once it goes in, we'll be on the phone. We have a working relationship with Desi, so we'll be on the phone and say we really need it back. And actually they've been asking for it so they get they should act on it quickly. I think Alan the only thing we said was the closure issue I think and everything else has been corrected. Um there might be some minor things in there. I mean some some unfortunately sometimes they punctuation few other things that we might have to fix but it doesn't change the agreement. >> I found some of those I'm going to talk to you about

123tomorrow. >> Okay. Easy enough to do. Yeah. Uh Raina. >> Yeah. Um I was also curious um if the towns feel like they have they would they would have enough time to for their legal review um before the you know with the 45 days. No, >> we'd have to get it back from Jessie before October 1st and then get it to the towns and then they would need to do their legal review. >> No. So, to that point, um, we have been very transparent. I've explained this to Desessie. I actually had this conversation with Jane Ducher as well because she's been involved in this uh at the pioneer level. And um so our process was we involved the towns uh in in this process all along the way. We had the select boards appoints uh

124for their town. They're the ones that crafted this this agreement. It wasn't just done by the planning board. And then uh and they spent a lot of time on it over three months. And so um no uh to answer your question this is going to be what when we get it back from Desi um it will this is what will be going forward. Uh the other part I would say is that you know there's as as you know Raina in the regional agreement you have amendment language and I really like our amendment language because you can make amendments to this at any time and it's a pretty smooth process where one town can um you know propose an amendment that would then go to the other towns to to look at and there would be

125you know a town meeting. you might have similar language but it's a very I think it's a very clear clean process that um no no document is going to be perfect and over time things that made sense will need to be modified and so there's a good process to that >> yeah if I could add something to this when it goes to the count town councils they're looking for the legality not necessarily changing what you people have voted that you want only if something's not legal that they need to advise you on. You're not asking them to go through and revise that agreement that's been approved by Desi. So, I think that needs to be established to them. We're involved in another district where we did that and the the town council came back and

126said, "Well, you don't want to do it this way, you want to do it that way." Yet, though the committee had voted to do it a certain way. So, again, this is what you people have put together. I think it needs to be emphasized and then and approved by Department of Education. And if there's any changes, we got to go back again unless it's something illegal. Now, also when the department has a whole legal office, they've gone through that for any legality. That's what you want them to do is anything legal that they think so they can ensure their towns that there's nothing illegal in that agreement. But again, the method that you're doing, what you're doing, and all the different things is because you've made that decision, and you really don't want to h

127the lawyer to start changing what your decisions are, >> right? And I would only add that uh it this is not going to the towns for more debate. It's just literally a legal review. It's not to go to the towns and say take a look at it. Let us would know what you think. We've done that already many many times. So >> it's just literally for a a legal review. >> A lot of times what will happen at town meetings is somebody will stand up does is our council looked at that? Is it okay legally? And that's why you definitely have to do it because you don't want to say oh no your town council didn't look at it. So then everybody gets a doubtful. So but again the town council has to be this

128is your role on the legality of it not not the options unless something you see is illegal. >> And I had this feeling and and and I'm sure you do Steve in my conversations with Michelle Griffin and and Christine Lynch they got a darn good handle on um when when they push back they they're they're pretty clear like you know this threshold is not legal. it has to be lowered to 5,000 or, you know, whatever. They they they're right on top of things. So, um I think they've brought things to our attention that needed to be compliant with state law and and regulations. So, I'm I'm pretty confident when they send it forward. I would be really surprised if you know, the only thing I'm not sure of is the school closure language. Um, but

129I'm hoping that you will work on that and if you want me to be a part of that conversation, I would be more than happy to do that. Um so um the other thing I want to say is is that I've been in touch with um Kevin Rajnham from the Murphy and Tumi uh law firm and they committed to getting to Desi this week the language for the warrant article and that um the the warrant article uh and what they're looking for is it's contingent upon upon the um the uh uh I don't the the legal uh re uh the legal um passage of the bill that would create the new district, dissolve the other districts that would um take care of the transfer of uh uh uh of assets and liabilities. And so that

130will all be part of the warrant article that's going forward. Um, any more comments on that, Steve? >> Nope. >> No. That all of that has to be as you just said, the biggest thing is informing the new and then how the assets and liabilities are handled. >> So when they vote, it's contingent upon that. Meaning that if that doesn't happen at the legislative level, then the districts then just then the new district dissolves. It was voted that that dissolves and then it just reverts back to the three districts uh operating separately. So, that was more of anformational uh point and I hope that they follow through. I haven't heard from Odyssey. Uh I wasn't able to get touched with them uh just because it didn't work out for me. So, I'm not blaming them,

131but I'm looking for their timeline and I'll have a conversation with them tomorrow. >> They they replied they replied, Alan, >> they did to my email today. >> Yeah, it was at uh 6:40 tonight. So, >> is it a good reply? Well, you said uh we got the you know the Pioneer um data three weeks ago from our team meeting on Monday. I expect the project to go into review later this week. So I expect to deliver the results uh next week. >> Nice. Thank you. Okay. Um long range plan. I am I am going through it uh one more time. Um is Karen still here? >> Yeah, I'm still here. I'm almost afraid to say, do you want to take a look at this? Because I'd like to do a track changes if we

132go there. But it's it's um I don't know, 14 pages. It's a great summary of things. Uh, I've added a section for the transition and what monies would be available and and I added um I I cleaned up the or corrected the um the the thing about the mission and vision and made sure that uh that that was accurately captured for your comments last time. So, I think I think I've just got to go through it one more time and and make sure that it has all the content that it needs. Greg's going to put in some more links to documents uh that uh are referenced, including, for example, the slide deck uh that will be attached to it. and and hopefully with that they'll have everything they need to schedule a meeting with Desi

133to talk about um any questions they have about the about what we're trying to do. Uh she prefaced it. It's a new commissioner not familiar with Massachusetts and so um there may be a lot of questions about it. >> Did I cover all the um bulk mailing? Is there any update on that because someone's got to craft something for that? >> I just have a caution on that. >> Um, >> yes. >> For instance, uh, I got a postcard from the town of Leiden or a tax notice or something and it went, it took 13 days to get to me >> and it came from the town of Leiden. So these things happened, but then I I had we know a young man who just started working for the post office a year and a

134half ago and he said that at first all our mail unless you hand it to the person at the post office that handles the incoming mail. In other words, if it's for something somebody in your town, you have to hand it to them, not stick it in the slot, hand it to them and say, "This is for in town. Can you make sure it's it goes to in town mail?" Otherwise, it can take normally three or four days. Is that because they ship it to Springfield and then ship >> to Springfield and then Hartford or Boston before it comes back to us? >> Yeah. >> I I do have an update though. I've been using an Adam's direct mail for all of our postcards. >> I mail them on a Friday and they get to

135people on a Saturday or Monday because that's what he does. He has the postage on it. He puts them in the post office mailers. The the mail the US Postal Service gives him boxes. >> Oh, >> and he delivers them to Bernardston in Greenfield. So he mailed them >> Friday around noon and I got mine on Saturday. So I that's why I'm urging you to use Adam's direct mail. >> I don't know what Adam's direct mail is. Is it a business? >> Yep. Right down the street from Fosters on the left on Is that Chapman Street? No. >> So, you have to pay a fee to them. >> Oh, yeah. We've been paying them. >> So, So, can you can you get a number of what it would cost if we to do it? Because

136you're talking a postcard. We're talking probably I don't know a double-sided piece of paper with a space for >> He'll do a flyer. He'll do postcards. He'll do whatever. >> Okay. >> And it doesn't it could be just one-sided with a trifold flyer. >> Yeah. >> The label, you know, and then stamped them with the >> Our library just had him do um some trifolds and stuff. And he sent them out with the same week. Within that same week. >> Yeah. >> So, is Deb Put still here? >> I No, I don't leave. No, she signed off. Um >> Oh, shoot. >> Uh just before 8. >> Oh. Uh thanks. I'm just wondering I guess I'll give her a call. I'm wondering if this person she's talking about that is willing to do something uh

137if if they would be willing to do this um mailing this flyer. >> Yeah. I mean for >> for which town? Because I know like the flyer that we already came up with um went out in Gil with the newsletter. So, it hit pretty much our entire town >> and and it went out in Wick and it went out in um >> went out and lied newsletter. >> Okay. >> And my understanding is it's going out with sewer bills in Montagu. >> Excellent. >> Which is a weird thing, but >> No, that's just an easy way to get them out there. >> So, it's anyone that has sewer, huh? >> Yeah. Well, it's pretty that's pretty much everybody almost. >> Yeah. Oh, no. We have septic here in Leiden. >> Oh, no. I know. But

138at Monu have a lot of lot of the population in Mon. >> I was going to ask Raina, do you know anything about that? Uh with No, I I don't I'll have to ask. >> Yeah, I haven't heard anything about >> All right. Thanks. Thank you. All right. I think that we can Let's call this a night. I don't know how the Yankees are doing, but um >> so um >> this was a good meeting. We got a lot done. Now, when are we going to meet next? because we've got we we I have on here uh it was um wasn't it the 16th? >> Yeah, I had Wednesday. >> But yeah, that's a Tuesday. >> It is. >> Yes. And so is the 30th. >> Oh my god, I can't even. You're right. Um

139so that should be Tuesday. Well, Tuesday is li the Leiden. Uh >> yeah, I can't do either of those. >> I I'll be in Leiden >> 30th. I'm busy. >> Can we pick another one on a >> How about the How about the 24th? Do we don't have We don't have any meetings happen on that day, do we? September 24th. So, are you still wanting to do the 16th? >> Well, we're missing We're missing Michelle and who else? >> I was going to say 16. The 16th I can't do. >> Oh, >> The 23rd. I could do >> the select board has a meeting, David, on the 23rd. I don't know why we're not meeting on the 22nd. Is did I have it wrong? >> Are are you on the right month? 23rd is a

140Tuesday. Is that when you meet on Tuesdays, Al? Well, for some reason I have that written on a Tuesday. >> For some reason it is. And I Everybody's confirmed it and nobody can remember why. >> Can we do the 24th, which is a Wednesday so we get a a firm date to clean things up because we should it all is going to be happening at once. I should have to know I'll I'll know about a a lot of things. the legislative language to just make sure >> I can do I can do the 24th. >> Okay, >> that'll be okay. >> Okay, thank you. >> I can >> I'm not the only one though. >> Yeah, but I when you said that I saw Raina Raina nodded. I saw Darinda nod. Uh I'm just nodding

141asleep, but I was nodding. >> Yeah, I >> All right, that's great. So, I'm going to put in the 24th and then we'll go from there. Um, >> Tigers and Yankees are tied, by the way, to all. >> All right. So, I This was a lot of good work. I'm gonna let you go. Um, >> we we we accomplished a lot and we got through the things that we needed to get through and I thank you um for your full participation and for your ideas. David, that was a great catch and a great um uh that'll correct because we need to have that picture. We got to get that right when when that goes live. So, um, that was good. I I'd love the participation. So, does anyone want any any other thing that needs

142to come up or want on the next agenda? >> Uh, just a realistic amount of time that we're going to be with you. >> Don't Don't say 6:30 to 7:30. >> Is that what it said? >> Allan's terrible at that. I you know, I will support you on that. Okay, fair enough. If I can we can just consolidate now the Well, we had the presentations done. We had three major presentations and we had another one at the last one. I think we're done presentations. Now we're just going to just focus on the coordination. Okay, >> Karen, every time Alan calls me, he says, I just want to talk to you for five minutes and then it's an hour later after >> Oh, yeah. I was married to someone like that. >> So, we should get

143this >> home at three. I'd like to see this over with before the seventh inning. >> Okay, let's go. Motion to have a motion to adjurnn. All those in favor. It is unanimous. >> Alan, can you and Greg stay on with me so I can talk about tomorrow? >> Yes. Yes. Greg, hang on. >> Thanks everybody. >> Bye everyone. >> Greg, hang on for a second. Greg. Greg. >> Yeah, that's I am hanging on. I'm gonna just pause recording.