001Okay, great. Great. All right. Thank you so much. Yeah. Byebye. All right, Alan, your your screen isn't on, just so you know. Alan, are you there? Is anyone there? Someone should call him. He was there. He was there and now he's he just hung up his phone. Maybe he shut himself off. Do you edit this out of the recording? He's still listed. So, he's there, right? He's there. All right. We have a quorum. We have a quorum. So, let's get We already I already hit record. So, go ahead. Oh, perfect. Read the blurb. All right. So this uh meeting is uh being held in accordance with the provisions of uh the um edict by the governor to be able to hold remote meetings. All our meetings are going to be we're recording this meeting. Uh
002if uh the votes will be roll call votes. Uh we're we will put this uh meeting up on our website and uh where is it? BNCTV. And uh if there are issues with it, we'll continue the meeting and we'll make sure that we have that available for the public to review. Uh let's do a quick roll call vote. Uh Greg's Greg, you're on mute here. Uh Dinda here. David here. Aaron here. Bill, yes. Dave here. Pat, yes. So funny, Pat. I was just calling you when you came on. Renee here. And let's see. Also, we have a reporter is Mike Jackson from the Monu reporter. Monagu. Thank you. Um, all right. So, we just have a couple of really important things. It's just handled so people can work on our behalf. I tried to do
003an extensive cover letter to um uh save some time during this meeting uh for for Mike's benefit just to to uh just do a quick review as we go on to the first Oh, are there any minutes? There's no minutes to approve at this time. Correct. Correct. Okay. So, um first thing is uh we have had a communication with the uh Desi Department of Elementary and Secondary Education. We spoke with uh Chris Lynch and Michelle Griffin. They are supportive of our um me to follow up with them and basically they're looking for what they're calling a long range plan. But um it's uh really what they're looking at is you know what have we done to include the public? How have we been informing them? What are our plans going forward? And what would this
004new district look like? So we've kind of uh we have a lot of documents around that. So, um, I told her that, uh, I put together something for them to review. She pointed out that there's a new commissioner, uh, coming on board, uh, starting today and he's from out of state and I will know um, not a lot about regional school districts and and how things are happening here. So, she said it's really, thanks Deb Otay for just joining us now. um she said it's going to be extremely important for him to be able to read this overview to uh get a better understanding of what this is all about as we're going forward. So that's really she put it in the context of Allan, you were a superintendent, look at it this way. If
005you were a commissioner and you were coming in, what would you want to know? I said, "All right, that makes it pretty clear. I'll um I'll take it from that perspective and move forward." So there'll be follow-up conversations to keep them in the loop. Um the we've had several conversations with uh Jake Eberwine who did the he was the project manager for the Birkshere town regional they proposed a town regional uh district uh that they were trying to form and uh he was a great uh resource for them. He did a great PowerPoint presentation. Greg and I and Michelle actually had the opportunity to go up and look at the PowerPoint and hear what he had to say about their successes and failures, what worked or what didn't work. And Desi also pointed out Chris
006and Michelle. He'd probably be a good resource for us. So you should have received the scope of work that outlined really the basic focus for him would be to develop a PowerPoint presentation with various um venues on how that would be delivered whether it be a voice over or a narrative or written. And so uh I trust you all received a scope of work. Yes. And so, um, so he's he's doing 40 hours at $125, uh, dollars an hour for a total of a cap of 5,000. And I was really pleased with the number of things that are in the scope and what he's willing to do for that. Um, so let me pause there. questions around um that before I entertain a motion to uh uh in have a engagement letter with Jake to
007perform this PowerPoint uh presentation for us and the associated tasks related to it. He's is he going to be the presenter? Um or is he just providing the PowerPoint and we lead that discussion? He's his main focus right now is going to be developing the PowerPoint with maybe a lay a narrative u layover or whatever you call it. Um I guess the short answer right now would be no. uh he he I'm I'm pleased that we're being able to get these things done at at a smaller amount of money than I originally thought. And our our intent, Bill, I think, is once he's really steeped himself in this, which which he will be from all the work he's doing, that we could uh engage him to help us do some of these uh forums or
008pre-tal meetings and so forth. But uh that would also be at a cost. Correct. Correct. that would be an additional cost. Focus now is let's try to get something very powerful and very easy for people to follow to um to to get our message out there. Karen, um has he expressed any desire to talking to this group before he begins? Well, he uh as you know, we did have a meeting with him. I think you attended Karen and he, you know, kind of reviewed uh a number of things that happened in the Birkshars and uh offered different suggestions and the point of that was to have you become familiar with his work and kind of his tone and so forth and um so I'm sure he would be fine with you know meeting with us
009and you know reviewing some things uh you know as he goes through this he may have I'm sure I'll have questions and so forth. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, he's very approachable and and he's he's just interested in, you know, in kids and as we are. So, um All right. Any other questions? Those are good questions. All right. Does some Do you want me to entertain a motion? Uh want me to do it that way and have someone move it or someone want to make the motion? Yeah, I'll make a motion to uh to contract with Jake Everwine. So, it's um for the scope of services for a cap of $5,000. Yep. I'll second it. Thank you, Steve. Yeah, I will say that I've worked with him for probably about four years now and uh
010he is, you know, probably more knowledgeable about this regionalization than we are. I mean, it's a he's got a really deep knowledge of it. I I also uh will just add that when we went up to the Birkshares and listened to him present and and lead some panel discussions, uh he's just got a really nice mannerism about him and and he's he he's so approachable. He listens. He um he he's really polished, I'll use that word, in communication with different groups of people. So that's why I'm thinking, Bill, that it it it may make a lot of sense to uh capitalize on his skills when we get to the phase of organizing uh some of these meetings. My question on this would be what are what are the other deliverables? Like if if he's focused
011on the PowerPoint um and maybe you know we're focused on the website, what else is there? And then who's doing those? And is that at a cost or is it us? Well, we're going to have to look at doing, you know, picking up some of the things in between. We, as you saw in the cover letter, there's a number of tasks that we need to have done, uh, as we move forward. uh it made sense to have him focus on that and then and he he seemed interested in being willing to go move forward in some of these other you know initiatives that uh that we laid out particularly in the arena of public outreach. But it it felt like too much to put on his plate coming out of the gate and that it
012would be he'd have a more realistic idea of what that would entail once he's done the research required to do a uh a comprehensive PowerPoint. So, um I'm not sure I answered your question. Um I don't know. It just I guess I we haven't solidified anyway our list of is it flyers, is it, you know, what else is there to get information to people and do we need more support? I think we just have to quantify that at at some point like what what the other things are that we want, right? And that's on the agenda um to to have that discussion when we get there to see um I don't I don't some of that stuff I'll just say I don't see as a lot of time. um you know, having a flyer that
013we already have and do we want to produce that or not? Making the decision, having a QR code that would direct people. I I mean, I'd be happy to drive around to town halls and different places and put that up that links people or short little messages. So, I see small little tasks that are added together gets the job done, but wouldn't overwhelm one person if we just divvied up of some of those uh ideas that we uh that are in the cover letter and that we talked about. Why don't we um So, let's take a vote. Yeah, I was going to say, why don't we take a we can move on and talk about those things. I mean, those I mean, Dire brings up a really good point. Yep. So, let's uh Greg, I'll
014start with you and um Yes. So, all those in favor? Yes. And Alan Genevies? Yes. And Dinda? Yep. Yes. David, yes. Thank you. Uh Karen, yes. Bill, yeah. Dave, yes. Pat, and you're on mute, so I'll do uh Deb, yes. Pat, yes. Raina or Renee? Yes. And Cliff, thank you. Yes. Perfect. So, Cliff has joined us as well. Um, all right. Let's go to the next major item, and I had been worried about this for a long time, and that was what law firm uh would be willing and and have an understanding of regional school districts and and what we're doing. And um I was hoping that we could engage the services of the an attorney that worked with the uh a town regional planning board's efforts. There was someone that actually was on their
015board and took on many many hours and had tremendous knowledge in this area and was able to craft language that Desi uh finally agreed to. My understanding was it was pushed back here and there until they got through uh having a language that satisfied Desi and and it seemed to be uh in really good shape. So unfortunately that fell through. Um and so more explanation uh exploration went and came across this uh the law firm that um that was being recommended here Murphy Hes Tumi and um Lehan they happened to be familiar with the uh Birkshshire project I'll call it and represented uh not the planning board but represented Berkshire hills in this process. And so they, you know, had a really good understanding of what this regionalization was about. They were looking at the
016best interest of the districts and and making their way through this uh process. And um so that was a real real plus. So then we talked about, you know, uh they did have an interest. I talked to Kevin um who was the uh was going to is going to be the uh lead attorney um uh Brennanham and uh so he would be working with others and to make this what what made this interesting for him is we told him that we would send him the Berkshire Hills language that from the legislative piece which involves the uh it needs an act of legislation if this were to go forward. And we also asked him if he would work on the warrant article uh and what that language would be. So we uh Greg had sent those
017two documents on to them. He's on vacation this week. He'll be able to pick up the ball next week uh with a affirmative vote here. And what uh we said we would do is Greg and I would take a look at that language and we would modify it to meet our needs. So for example, they were trying to do a high school and so um you know obviously that piece would be you know removed. Uh our towns would be substituted for theirs. Um we would have the name of our district and so forth. So we we're going to tailor it to meet our needs uh in a superficial way and then they will use that information to maybe make the lift a little easier and then they would move forward and craft that uh language
018um for on our behalf. Uh one of the interesting things is is that Berkshire Hills never had the opportunity since it uh did not pass. I think that high school was problematic. Um, that's an editorial note. Uh, the the piece of bringing it through the edit the the legislative process obviously didn't happen. So um I I want to understand a little bit better how that would happen in terms of you know if this were to pass in November and we DESIE meets their deadline of the 31st there's a number of things that would have to happen including uh a funding source and uh one of the things I talked about the attorney is the language would have to have something in there that's that has pending and then it would identify by whether it be
019legislative funding or grant funding or DESI funding, but there'd need to be a number of funding sources. And I reviewed with Desi the um the the fact that, you know, there'd be a part-time business administrator, part-time superintendent, could be on a stipen, it could be, you know, on a part-time contract. there would need to be a number of legal fees uh generate around negotiating contracts with pair of professionals and teachers and so forth. So there'd be a a financial you know commitment there. So I won't go on at length here but you get the picture of there's a number of things that have to happen and what would be the timeline that we would expect that you know to happen. So, um, that that is kind of in the background at the moment, but it's
020going to come to the to to the forefront as we, you know, move forward. And obviously, if it's voted on an affirmative at town meetings, um, we would have to have protective language. I say protective, but we we can't expect the towns to be picking up this this this kind of cost. And particularly my expectation is if the legislators see this as a a real positive thing and and Desi sees this then they should be funding this and supporting us in providing incentives for this to happen. So in the meantime we were able to secure a law firm that will give us these two pieces of information that are important. warrant articles that would go before the town and the what the legislative language would look like that senator um would have to file and
021uh and I can give you an update when I learn more about how does that process go when you're in a uh the beginning of a new cycle at the state level of money. So there's probably a lot of questions around that, but I'll pause and say that my intention is to recommend tonight so that they can get started the law firm of Murphy Humi and Leon to um to do this work on our behalf. uh that is capped at uh $5,700 which from my perspective I was really um encouraged that I thought it I thought it would be significantly more. We're estimating 20 hours to do this. This is something that will be in the engagement letter. Uh if there's additional work, we would come back. We'd have to amend the grant. come back
022to you and have another conversation if a little more is needed. So, yes, Bill. Um, yeah. Right. The budget issue is currently is the is forward in my mind because you've already been instructed by Joanne that our district Gil Monu is not going to foot the bill and we've been advised that there's $55,000 is left in our grant money. Is that still true? You know, it's funny. I talked to Joanne and she used the number 57 today and I I didn't uh I thought it was more like 42. So, she was going to go back and reach that. So, the the whatever whatever it's grant money, whatever it is. Yeah, we're dealing now with grant money. So, my concern with the attorneys was what is their cap? This is the first I've heard of you've
023capped it at $5,700. that you take 57 and five grand for the other gentlemen. And so that does bring us down to about $40,000, which is what what's in your mind. That's all that's left. Uh depending on how all of this develops, uh we need we need to know where the money is coming from. It seems to me fair that if you do get towns to vote for this then to some degree it should be the responsibility of the towns to fund it going forward. It's nice to think that Desi is going to fund it but historically does DESIE have um that kind of support in their background? Have they supported every region that has been that has developed in the last 50 years? I don't know that they have. That's simply a statement. I
024don't know the answer to that. It's not a negative statement. But in any event, I mean, basically in all of this, we're dealing with a a promotion of this regionalization that came from one of the two districts. The other district, Pioneer, has clearly not bought into this. And it gets down to who should be the presenter. Uh if we can't convince people in our in our districts that this is right, I have a hard time understanding how bringing in a consultant is necessarily going to improve our position. Um so that's that's something that will remain in flux but I do think that most of the generation of this has to come from within that being our group being able to support arguments on town meeting floor otherwise I don't believe that having a presentation at
025just town meeting or leading up to town meeting is going to convince necessarily going to convince the town meetings to give us an affirmative vote. Uh so that's the caveat that I have in all of this. Certainly I support what we're doing, but I'm not sure that everybody uh else is fully in support of this and that's what we have to deal with initially. Secondly, in terms of the uh PowerPoint, you're t you initially talked about this will be developed in July and August. You want to review it early in August. I don't know uh if you'll have enough developed by the 1 of August for us to really review or a finished document or how are we going to adjust that document to to feel like it's meeting our needs. But clearly you can
026you can see that I have some some questions throughout the whole process of whether or not bringing in these consultants is going to be effective. And secondly, uh are they really going to it? When I first read the uh spiel from the lawyers, I don't think that it's could necessarily be capped at $5700 given the amount of uh work that we are requesting them to do. And that'll and I'll cut it off there. That's that's enough from from my garbled point of view. I wasn't that impressed by the I wasn't that impressed by the amount of legal work being required when you consider that most everything lawyers do is just recycling something they already did or finding something that it's already been done. So, so Bill, let me let me do this. Um, let me
027just quick try to quickly respond to a couple points, but I need you to correct me or remind me on the points I missed. Um, I think there's been so you are correct. Uh, one district I don't know if I want to say supports or not supports, but one district clearly cooperated more uh, in helping us through this process. And at some point the school committee will review things and and make a determination of what what they think at uh in the Gil Monagu district and you know Pioneer will do the same although since the beginning of the heart committee they have not supported um a number of things. So this is a this is a town initiative in terms of we were this is not an agreement an amendment coming forward from the school
028committee obviously it's coming forward because the town's asked us to bring something forward. I think that um the time frame has been very long obviously with our second meeting with COVID and some of the other obstacles along the way that there's a a lot of misinformation out there and and um and not enough uh I don't want to say momentum but understanding of well what's this all about? What are the benefits? Why why are you doing this? you know, in all of that. And I think that needs to be a focus point of the PowerPoint presentation to be really informative of what this is all about. And we make that available obviously at meetings, but on the website and and direct people there through a variety of ways. So, um the the public outreach from
029here going forward has to be substantial. Yeah. And the I guess I gave the wrong impression. Uh if we're thinking that on the beginning of August we're going to have something because we're not. The scope was going to be 40 hours and he's working on it in July and August and I'm assuming toward the latter part of August. We would then have a chance to review this and talk about it and so forth before it becomes posted on the website and it starts to get play in a variety of venues. Maybe even on uh BNC TV, maybe we go on there uh but we make it available and so forth. So our biggest challenge will be to get the word out. Let's Allan, let's stop calling it by the brand name of a presentation software.
030Call it a presentation. And I feel like part of what we're buying it is is, you know, not the present, not the presentation, uh, but organization and a certain amount of strategy to move this forward. I would much it's in terms of being a political being and wanting to win some issue is so much easier to win it on behalf of the opposition. So we have a heavy lift here. I mean if if you were going to pay me to influence the outcome, it would be much much easier to put this to ruin than to pass it. So, but you say PowerPoint, it just people's eyes glaze over. At least Yeah. Anybody that's been around like me, I don't want to hear the word. Um, we're we're buying a presentation and and, uh, you know,
031but, uh, you know, normally somebody we would hire to do that wouldn't know anything about the subject matter. they'd be reaching out to us for, you know, all they can and and that would be the uh critical uh juncture that determines how good, you know, no matter how good they were, we we wouldn't um come off very well because we didn't explain it to them. But here, we got somebody that's knowledgeable in this exact field. So, we're not buying a PowerPoint. were buying a presentation uh from these knowledgeable consultants and if they had succeeded I in this effort we'd also you know have that legislative pathway. So we're like Warwick becoming a dis its own district. Nobody's done this lately. Yeah, those are good points. Uh and I I mean that David um it is
032about the presentation but the the the um part of the research and that he pointed out right away is he's got to dig his teeth into all the documents we have and what do we have on the website and what do things look like. So that's a lot of the lion share that he will be doing before he begins crafting a presentation. Um, Greg. Yeah, I think uh I think David's right. I mean, we're we're not going to be able to to make this work without and we've talked about this, Alan, which hasn't been mentioned yet, but we need to find very key people, especially parents of of elementary school kids that are excited for this and that they will begin to be I we have one in Gil already and he's very well known
033and he's ready to start promoting this, but he he needs information and he needs uh some guidance on what the talking points will be. Um but we're going to need to find some parents in every town that are wellconed and can start to I mean to me there's there's some real issues here. I mean, Pioneers looking at regionalizing their elementary schools into one campus at a tune of upwards of a hundred thousand hundred million dollars, uh, with, you know, the three towns, uh, kicking in, you know, what 30 40% uh, depending on what what the MSBA would would kick in, which they're probably not going to kick in more. I mean, that's that I don't think that has a a prayer of a a chance of passing. It's just too much considering what's going on
034in the world right now. And uh so you know that is we've got that happening. Monagu is also talking about closing Hillrest and moving their their kids into uh from that school just because the building's old. Um that's also you know being discussed. So those things have to be brought into context so that these parents understand that things are not going to stay the same regardless of how even if they want them to stay the same and that this is a real opportunity for these two districts to uh and three well three districts really to come together um to save capital costs to save uh to you know build economies of scale and build back programs that were have been lost for for 30 years. So, I mean, we just got to find those those
035parents that are excited about that because we're not. As much as I like I look around, you know, we've been doing this for six years and I see a lack of energy here and me included. I mean, I'm done. You know, I'm kind of like done, which is why I feel like we need some fresh energy. We need some, you know, Jake is great because he he is uh very personable, but that's not going to be enough either. They don't know who he is. We need parents. Parents that are gonna get excited about this in every town and they're going to have to start picking up the phone because it's not gonna it's not going to be the same anyway. I mean, you can take the examples of looking at the teams. You know, we
036had we had Monu went a state championship. We had, you know, Pioneer win two this year. What will they even have teams next year? I mean, you know, Pioneers looking at of a high school of about a hundred kids next year. They're I just did the math. I looked at the Desi numbers and looks like they're going to be down probably another possible 10 to 12 students. I mean, the numbers are they they don't lie and they just keep going down as much as all the good things that they're doing. It's just it's a battle that's really tough to win when you're already low enrolled and and declining enrollment. So, you know, that's what we have to keep just pointing out that we have a real opportunity considering what's what's going on right now. Yeah,
037Deb just pointed out there are 16 students in in grade 12. An interesting note just to follow up and I don't want to sidetrack too much that um that's a big ticket for towns to come up with. I'm I'm wondering just would it would it change the conversation if people started thinking about well wait a minute if the high school kids create a critical mass and now you have uh programs services and so forth because those kids are going to the Gil Monagu district that opens up room at Pioneer for the middle school but it also would open up opportunities for if the towns really wanted to Allen Allen Please, are you taking my idea? It is your idea, but I I just want to put that out there because you brought that up. But
038it's going to be spelled out in in a in an article for Mike, right? But I thought it would be good to have them have a heads up that it's possible that they could, you know, they could move into that building and not have to uh spend a lot of money. So, that's going to be an article that uh Greg is uh working on and and a thought that he thought is is worth just exploring to put out there for people to think about. And Mike, this is to Mike. Mike uh you know, I'm going to get you a couple of articles and that's going to be one of them. Um, so it's it's goes into more detail about saving, you know, a pretty significant uh future capital cost for the Pioneer District. If if
039those towns do want to regionalize their elementary school, it would save them a whole lot of of money. if they uh took their high school students and send them to the Turner's building and make that a designated high school and then you have a K through eight because couple of things that comes to mind is as someone that's taught at that level for a long time once a kid hits nine, you know, has gone through nine grades K through eight, they're not going to want to stay in that building. They're gonna I mean, they're ready to go. they are going to be ready to go and they're going to leave and and so a K through 12 is a really tough thing to sell at a hundred million dollars especially whenund 100 students. So So
040we're off track. Do we So um just taking care of the the legislative piece had her hand done. Oh, is it on this topic? I I was trying to get back to the original earlier topic but I was letting you go here. Okay. Um I had a meeting this morning with a a small political group in Leiden and they expressed that they've heard nothing about this. They don't understand it. They and you know I re recounted some of the history of the forums we had and all of that and they expressed really wanting to know more about it. The sooner the better. Yeah. Thank you, Karen. And and and that's the gist that I've gotten. When when are you gonna really fill us in? We need to know a lot more. Um so I I'm
041sorry I brought that up. Uh there's a lot of possibilities could open up. So to stay focused, I would really like to I would entertain a motion that we engage have a an engagement letter with Murphy Hes Tumi and Leah to do the the warrant article framing and the legislative framing uh for on our behalf um at the uh amount that uh was uh 50 $5700. And that came about, by the way, uh in a conversation with them about how many hours do you think would be reasonable to accomplish this work? And uh I think it would have been more if they hadn't been familiar with representing Birkshire Hills in the uh town effort. And we have that motion and second already, don't we? So now you're asking for the vote. I don't think we
042have a motion on this on the legal one. We had one on the uh Jake. Did I I'll make the motion. I'll make the motion. All right. And Dire second it. And you had their bio in your packet or sent to you and uh so forth and the scope of what that work would be. All right, let's do a roll call vote then if there's no other discussion. Uh David, why don't I start with you? I and Dinda. Yeah. Alan Genevies. Yes. Greg. Uh, yes. Karen, yes. Bill, yes. Steve, yes. Pat, yes. Renee, yes. Uh, Deb Pat. Okay, so that passes unanimously. And Cliff. Add Cliff. Oh, I'm sorry. Um, and Cliff. Yes. Yeah. Thank you, Bill. All right. So, I think I've covered everyone on the screen. Um, so then the last thing, so
043those are the two two major things because they can continue working on our behalf. Um, let me just share that when the subcommittee that worked on the regional agreement um, concluded their work, there were a number of comments about how important it is to and would be a heavy lift, so to speak, to to really get this uh, message out. And there really needs to be a full court press on informing people of what this is about. And one of the things that one of the ideas that came up with is if someone had a Facebook page that uh you know directed people to our website or you know people could express their thoughts for and against and so forth and there'd be a way of people asking questions that we could monitor and maybe
044at the end of each week we'd look at those and craft a response and then have those on our our web page. um or our website uh so that we could keep track of that. One of the things that that uh Jake had pointed out that um maybe more effort could have been put into responding to misinformation or um you know letting people know what uh what was happening and trying to get on top of rumors uh out there. So that will that would all you know be a challenge um as well but it's something that we when in talking to him want to be mindful of to do our make our best efforts that if we hear something that is misinformation or needs needs more clarification that we we try to do that. Um
045so Darrena, do you want to talk a little bit about on the the next steps in terms of how do we uh move forward on some of the ideas for this this outreach effort. I try to be or provide a narrative around each one so people could be thinking in terms of uh how to how to put these forward. I think that to to Greg's point, if we as a group could start reaching out and finding people that would like to learn more about it and then they could make a decision how active they want it to be. Um, we should be doing that ASAP. And if we could have a time frame of people bringing together names and their their email so that we could have a uh a meeting with them to answer
046their questions and and start developing a um a network of support so people have a better understanding. And if they're talking to their friends and they're talking to people who might have an interest, we could start these little mini brush fires all over and see if you know this turns into a forest fire lit figuratively speaking. Karen. Yeah, I'm just looking at Leiden at this point and most of the people who are involved and engaged are the majority in town which are older than 65. And so this would be quite a lift to f I'm not engaged with younger folks. I'm engaged with people my age and those are the people who have time to do that obviously. But it's also sort of a tradition in this town as you might have seen in that
047recorder article yesterday that there's a certain group of people that are on every committee. That's that's what our town is because it's so small and we don't have a lot of younger folks. So, it's going to be difficult to find those people in this town. Well, maybe that younger person's primary strategy doesn't work in Leiden or Warwick. We It's the same thing. I mean, so these are the opinion leaders in the community. That's right. You know, they're either tolerated positively or neutral. It might be it might be easier, Karen. I mean, I just looked up the population of there's about 200 children in Leiden, so they can't be that hard to find. Um, you know, and it's such a small town, you know, that, uh, I mean, to get 200, hey, that's what it looks
048like. A little over 200 out of 60. Well, we got here in Warwick, we got 60some kids in our school district, some homeschooled kids. But so a lot of times, you know, it's it's a small amount of people to get informed right away and let that filter then through the community because they're the ones that'll get excited about the in terms in terms of openness to change. I've been uh contacted by several people uh in in Leiden interested in uh specifics about becoming an independent school district and in terms of becoming an independent school district with no schools. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard that exchange and some recognition. They I think they delved into it quite a bit and financially it would beh a lot more than staying with the district that we're they're in. Yeah.
049Just taking on school busing yourself without reimbursement. Yeah. Um Dana, can I go back to you in terms of so there were a bunch of ideas that we talked about when we when we just got together and brainstormed. Um, do you have some thoughts about our strategy on how we might implement some of these and you know would it be reaching out and asking someone could you do this one or what are your thoughts? Well, we every time I've posted on Facebook, I've turned comments off because Facebook has it, you know, it's sort of people's worst instincts come out on there. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, we can I can I can stop doing that or I can I can use it in a very specific way asking for um asking for support and contacting for
050support. I mean, people can they can message us on Facebook, they can message us on the website and it's never happened. So, I think, you know, we can get word out there more. I've been waiting until we have a district agreement because I'm sort of like, you know, what do I what what do I put out there? Like we put out stuff a year ago. I can put out the same stuff, but there isn't anything new, right? So other than, you know, so it is possible coming soon, but there's nothing you can see. It's the same thing as before. So strategically, I'm not sure like what to push and when to push it. But you know, we can we can do Facebook. We can direct people to the website. We can make little flyers up
051that say the name of the website, that kind of thing. And all that's easy. It's just like when I I still don't really know. I was thinking toward the end of I calling you a sec, David. Uh I was thinking toward the middle or end of September um or mid September. I uh to your point until we have had an opportunity to really get the word out and some of the particulars about the expectations um I think it would be dangerous to start inviting questions without a at least a base level knowledge that we made a concerted effort to have an outreach and get this information out. then maybe it makes sense to open up the question. But I I think that was smart of you not to have that open at the moment. Yeah.
052And I don't you know I don't it seems like we're well enough connected in Warwick. We're well enough connected in Gill and Monagu. Um it sounds like Leiden's small enough but I really I don't have a sense of Bernard and Northfield. I know there are like strong opponents. There's opponents on the school committee. There's opponents in the schools. There's like parent opponents. There's all sorts of opponents up there, but to me, they're far away, so I don't know how to like access that or build a support network up there. So, if people on the committee have a better sense of that, I would appreciate that. So, let me go to David and then Pat, your thoughts on Northfield and, you know, and what you think might work. But, let me go to David first. Uh
053the point I wanted to make is that on public Facebook forums while it is a a bit tedious to enforce if if you uh as as a commenter you can block certain people's comments and it's invisible to them and their brethren. So they go ahead and they have their own sidebar, you know, ridiculous conversation and meanwhile they're cut out of it. Um, that would be, you know, some something that you initiated. You'd have control over the content. I don't know how much value it adds, you know, to even do that. But there's certain amount of people that it is their, you know, local news source pretty much. And but it's tedious, but it it does work. I'm I'm on some public political forums with I think half of the things I may bought maybe Russian
054bots or uh losers in their mother's basement. I'm not sure. But interesting. So that's the dilemma right now is as going back to Grace and and Jake had pointed that out. We need to start forming a base of support of people that are interested and not just parents, other people that um maybe could speak to uh what what the district could be like if we had a larger population. You know, what opportunities would there be for for kids? And I don't know if it's a one-sizefits-all in terms of the outreach in the various communities. I guess I was thinking that way that to be fair that it would be there would be a a baseline message or theme in every community, but maybe the outreach needs to be tailored for what would work in that
055community. So, we have uh Deb and we have Pat that are in Northfield. um thoughts about what what you think should be the strategy for outreach in Northfield or do you want to go first Pat or go ahead and I'll pick up after you? Okay. Uh well, I've talked to people uh about it and I agree with Karen that most people still don't seem to know about it, which is very frustrating because I do feel like there's been an effort. I think people just haven't bothered to actually investigate it. Um I think it has to be very much in people's faces. And I also think that the articles that have been in the paper haven't really been very clear. I haven't felt like they've been very clear. I mean, I'm dying to write a my
056turn explaining the numbers of people in the school, explaining exactly what it looks like, and just explaining why it would be so important to be able to to um to do this. And I would probably do it on my on my own theories why combining is so important because for me, everything is about um the health of of teenagers. And I'm a big believer in social engagement and if you have a tiny school then it's very hard to make friends. I mean that's where I come from. Um but that would be what I would want to do is like multiple my turn articles along with Facebook and just tolerate the feedback. I do think people are going to feel very much like oh but our school has done this and our school has done that.
057Um I have when I've spoken to people and I've spoken to a couple of people and I think I know the person that maybe is excited. Greg from Gil. And I I think it'd be really important to hold um discussions, you know, in public spaces for people to come and and and meet with us, you know, whether it's at the library. So that's why I think that presentation would be really helpful um in the sense that it would give us a place to talk and then it would be a discussion. Um, I just feel like people need to talk to each other in civilized, thoughtful, sort of more intimate settings so that people can really just hear rationally about why we've had this committee meeting for all this time, the work that we've done, but
058also just focusing on what's the reality out there with numbers. Because I can tell you this, when I talk to people about this, nobody has any idea how many students are in these high schools. They really don't. And I think numbers speak pretty clearly to I just now I'm shocked at how few students are in the elementary school in both Northfield and Bernston. Shocked. So, and I've been tracking all the high schools, of course. I just would want the opportunity to engage face to face with people. So I do think having a presentation that's ready and then and then but talking to people now and coming up each of us has to come up with five people who want to sit down and talk and I think picking people who are younger who are have
059students in in the um schools are going to be more powerful than almost anybody else. School committee I I mean I don't want to be disrespectful. I've got a brother-in-law on the school committee. He feels very differently than I do. He had a very different experience. They are not everybody. And when I've spoken to people, there are people at Pioneer who are interested. So, believe it or not, they they are. And there are people who work in the school who are interested in the elementary school who are interested. I I just think we have to focus on parents because I think parents and the students are going to be the most important people um for the future. If you got an elementary school parent who people know and are comfortable with saying this is a
060good idea for my student, that's going to be more important than somebody who's on the school committee. Frankly, that thoughts I I think we have to get the information out there because if we don't get the info out there, people are not going to come to meetings, right? I mean, it sounds awesome to say, "Oh, we have to have all these meetings." Well, that's great, but you're not going to go to a meeting if you don't know what's going on. Uh, and I I think in Northfield, and I don't know about Bergen because I'm not there, but um we don't have our town officials have been dragging their feet. the school officials have been dragging their feet and and so maybe in Gil Migu you don't have that but for us that information has got
061to get out there one way or another and in a way that it excites people and not just go to a meeting oh yeah another meeting um they've got to come away with some energy when I'm talking about meetings I'm I'm not talking about, oh, it's a public meeting and we hope somebody shows up. I'm talking about literally inviting people saying, I'm having this thing at this event. I'm inviting five people to have a conversation and I've already started doing that. So, that's what I'm talking about. Okay? You should find five people who are engaged in some way in the school or in the town and have sit down conversation. People can come to my house, they can meet at the library. There are multiple places that we can do this with. I think we
062have to do that kind of work. And I'm not talking about holding a meeting that hopefully someone shows up. That that's that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about meeting intimately with people over coffee or tea to talk about what we're talking about. And I'm talking about picking people, specific people, and inviting them in people. And I will say the select board in Northfield, they know about what we're doing. BJ all over it. She knows all about it. Brian Brian Bedro knows all about it. They know. Dan Campbell knows all about it because I talked to those people. I don't think that they're holding back anything. I think they're very clear about the numbers. Interesting. Yeah. Karen, I'm gonna call on you next. I just want to make um the comment about these conversations
063if if we're having these meetings which I think is a great idea then maybe there's this is after presentation the words are out there it's be inviting people to to ask questions and have conversations and they the the the conversations are what they generate and what they want to talk about and and we try to address them. I I I agree that I think that would be really really powerful. Um it's getting the information out. Uh let's do Karen and David. Sure. Um I just looked up the 2020 census and we have a little over a hundred children as of the 2020 census and that goes from zero to age 19. Well, there you go. So my my my search was wrong. Yeah. So it's getting worse. But that that should be even easier. Well,
064actually be f easier to find those 100 kids. Actually, the largest cohort was the zero to five and that was 33. Time to get those parents. I don't know who they are. Where are they? Yeah, you should ask someone who is not three4ers of a mile off Yeah. off a main road, which is still a dirt road. Yeah. But I do think if we come up with our three to five people, we ask them, who are the people that are not in this room? How do we build on this? Can you give me those names? And I know where to and I pass them out. You just have to find one person who's willing to share out. Yeah. And I think that's our librarian. Yeah. Because she has one of those children, Renee. Oh, I'm
065sorry, Karen. I don't mean there was there was an outreach play group through the school district that, you know, the kids would would come if they were interested in in playing. and I happened to see them as they were coming out the last day that they were going to have it before summer. So, I know they're out there and one of those children is the librarian's child. So, okay, that's the first one on your list of reaching out maybe. Um Renee and then David. Yeah, I just wanted to provide a Bernison perspective if that's something that the committee is interested in. Um I'm can speak to that the select board is clearly aware of the work. Um because again I think to Craig Cre's point um or whoever made it earlier that was our t
066we were tasked with this work from those boards. So yeah they are well aware of our work. Um all the different um tangents that Pioneer has gone off on have created quite a distraction from this work. And I myself as a committee member am very distracted because of the length of time that this has taken. And I again think Greg pointed that out like we the work is just too fractured at this point for me. Like if people ask me about the work I don't even really know anymore and I feel like to honestly answer any inquiries that come my way. We didn't really talk about the elementary schools. This was like this group was formed about the middle school and high school and the realities of how the document is going to get written
067um about elementary schools are going to be an essential part of the success of this new district but it hasn't been given any airtime yet. So, I don't feel confident um discussing what will come of it and what it really means to the new district being formed to elementary school parents. And I'm pretty well connected with elementary school families being that my job is with them right among them, both Leiden and Berneston folks. And it's it's not in the forefront of what people are thinking about or talking about. Um but I don't think we've done a good job thinking about all the things Um especially now that because we're four, five, six years old now, the world has changed. Like we're not talking about relevant issues and so we don't have a crystal ball. And
068so I I just don't feel confident as I did at the beginning of this work. So I don't know how to change that or what to do next. But that's what I feel as a member from Berneston. Right. Thank you, Renee. And I I think that, you know, you're correct. Some people thought that elementaryaries were not a part of this and that, you know, the new regional school district, each town still had their elementary school. And I a couple people I mentioned that to were surprised to to hear that. So, um, you're right. We've gota we've got to make sure we're getting out uh good information for folks. David, you were so Oh, let me do David first because he's been very patient and then I'll go to Greg. Did I just understand Renee to
069say she doesn't understand what our position is on elementary schools? Because I felt it that we are going to keep on having one in Warwick and that wasn't in question. Anyway, the point I raised about Rene, you're unmuted. You're muted. Sorry. Sorry. Um, my point, David, is that at the beginning of this work and with this new district being formed, so every town has the right to continue their elementary schools, we already experienced the difficulty of that in Pioneer. So, are we saying that everything at the elementary level remains status quo? Well, that seems like it's kicking the can. And why do all this work if all the elementary schools get to have autonomy? We know that if growing the district and growing the opportunities of students lies in greater numbers, then that seems disingenuous
070to say that's not true at the elementary level. I mean, I I would chime in here, David, in saying that um when we started, that was the the proposition was to let elementary schools exist the way they are. Now, what's happened since then is that the towns within these two districts have decided on their own, regardless of what we're doing, we had not nothing to do with it, of suggesting putting, you know, Northfield and Bernardston elementary kids into one building. That's a regionalization and that's, you know, that's an intro. No prayer. I know. I understand that. But, but here's the point. Members have been instructed not to talk to select board members. And my point now uh uh uh David is that I know it doesn't have a hope or a prayer but the point
071is it's an opportunity for us to create to say look if you are putting those kind of proposals on the table. You know that's fine. That's our regionalization doesn't even have to stop that if you want to regionalize. But here's a great way to make it not cost $und00 million, which would be regionalize into this regional district. You could still do a K through eight in that building. Hear me out. Right. The first time I know, but this solid this actually strengthens Warwick's position to just remain an elementary school because you are regionalizing elementary schools in both districts. I think it strengthens the the uh position of Gil remaining its own entity and it just becomes because they're doing this already in the other district. I mean in the other schools are clo they're talking
072about closing Hillrest and moving those schools. There's no need at that point to be you know taking and closing Warwick and closing Gil. It in my opinion it strengthens the position. Well, I I think the problem is going to be that Desi is not going to permit a regional agreement that doesn't provide for closing of elementary schools. I think they do learn from past mistakes and other districts and and Pion, you know, Pioneer had to go into financial uh default in in order for a legislation to pass to uh abregate a clause in the district agreement that says you can't close an elementary school. And we're not we're not we're not doing that though. We're not we're not close an elementary school. So So let me let me just put that on hold for now
073because let's see what Desi has to say about the language we have in there and and and we'll pick that up later. I want to go back to what I'm hoping the focus is on our last agenda item before we adjourn and pick up uh some some dates. And going back to you, Direa, um the the Deb put out a great idea about each of us in and getting the word out to those that couldn't attend today to find five, six people to have a conversation with and share information. I'm wondering Deb uh Pate if that makes sense as soon as we get this because I think to Rene's point as well, you know, it's been a while and so the fresh look from Jake's perspective who we hired to dig in, do the research.
074Uh, I know he's going to start with the enrollment because that's the heart of this in the beginning of the presentation and then move on to, you know, what's possible for kids and so forth that it might make sense that we get that information, we review it, it gets us back up to speed and current, uh, and then we have these conversations. Now, maybe it's too late. Maybe we should start. I I'm struggling with waiting. I'll be honest with you. I I I feel like I've waited. We've all waited and I'm already starting to talk to people and okay, I'm not going to sit here and say to anyone, "Oh, I'm an expert. I'm going to give you a presentation." I'm just going to talk about just open up a conversation just like and I'm
075gonna right up front. I don't I'm not going to be able to give you numbers. I'm not going to do anything like that. I'm going to talk about the numbers of students in the schools. As Greg pointed out, you can find it all from Desessie. Put all the numbers down. I'm going to talk as a clinician, as a as a LICSSW about the importance of social connections for students mental health. And I'm going to talk about why I believe consolidating regionalizing schools will be better for students than not. And I'm going to listen. I'm going to listen to what they have to say. And if I don't have an answer to their question, I'm going to say I don't know. If I can find it out, I'll email Greg or or or you Allan and
076get back to them or I or I'll say wait until September when we have this presentation. Yeah. But I I feel like the time is now for us to be out there talking to people. I'd like to talk to is it Isaac Bingham? I'd like to talk to him. I'd like to talk with Stacy Bond. I'd like to sit down and have a cup of coffee with those two people and talk. Um, so I'm I'm going to go do that because uh I feel like that's one way I can contribute is to be able to talk to people and listen to people. How do you think would be the mechanism uh that because you're going to have a lot of good information, Debbon, each of us doing this, where do we where do we share
077that information of what we learned? Do do we um DNA? Do we we open up our next meeting? I don't I don't know. But I'm going to make every effort to have at least one conversation with some people who seem to be engaged and interested in in in the town. I'm not talking to people who are no longer engaged. I'm only talking to people who have skin in the game. And and is it possible, Drena, that that information, you know, generally just gets uh through us in a something on our website that people can, you know, sort of keep keep in the loop of conversations and what came up and about the conversations so that we're all benefiting from what what we're learning in our in our conversations with folks. I think if things come
078out as sort of pieces of misinformation that can be um in the FAQ, we can figure out ways to include that there. I think once, you know, when we see Jake's presentation, we can um have targeted posts with specific information or specific truths like did you know this, you know, and then and then share that information. Um it you know I'm like sort of it does seem like I'm just worried too much of like too much is on me to not that I'm like afraid to work but I'm not like particularly socially engaged and you know like I'm I am in my town but like to like that I'm going to be like you know vetting what this information is and how it's out there and making sure that it happens in a timely manner.
079it to the right direction and knowing what the particular forums are for different towns. It, you know, it's a lot of information that I don't have and I'm a little bit concerned about that. Um, I do think, um, and sorry I keep jumping in. I think it would be great to team up with somebody, team up with someone from Gil and sit down. You know, I'd be happy to team up with Greg and and talk to people. I'd be happy to team up with Renee and talk to people from other towns. So you don't feel like, oh, it's just on me and get a cross-section of of communication people. I don't know if that's helpful, but I don't not a good idea. I'm not doing that. Basically, if like because if I'm I'm managing the
080website, I'm managing content that comes in, if I'm going to be putting things on Facebook, you know, that's like in handling graphics or doing flyers or that kind of stuff, it's like I can't also be like I, you know, I can't do that. No, you shouldn't do you shouldn't do all of that. You should just do what you do best, which is is which would be like, you know, Yes. Yeah. Everyone has to do what we're talking about. I think it you have to be willing to do it. And I'm an introvert, but I force myself to have these conversations with people. Yeah. I guess I'll just need I need more information from someone about like the proper channels in other towns online for giving information to people. Yeah. And I I'm sorry I I
081didn't mean to put a lot on you in terms of trying to be a conduit for putting information out. I was thinking more of if there was an internal way for people as we're having these conversations with various folks to just share that each of us would we we just could go there and see you know what those conversations were about or what was learned or whatever what the misinformation is that we we would just review and and that when it's appropriate maybe address that at a meeting on all right how do we like you you mentioned Some of this could be filtered out to question answers. Some of this could be there's some information of a number of folks in the town's had a misunderstanding of this. We we probably should get a document
082out or or get some information out. not you, but you know, we we tackle that, you know, and and then uh figure out venues to maybe it's an article in the paper or something, but to address that, but that's I'm not the only piece I'm hoping is you could be a conduit for putting this together for us to see. That's all, right? I'm not afraid of content creation, you know, if people are getting me information, but it feels like until I have that information because people are waiting for information, it's like I need to know, you know, what to give them and where and how and I'm not I'm not there. Yeah. So, and a lot of people are waiting. You know, Monu, every time they have a select board meeting, they're complaining that they
083don't have information for us. They don't have a date for the fall special. You know, people are waiting. And I'm feeling like it's on me a little bit. Not to be like, you know, dramatic about it, but because I'm like there's something I'm supposed to be doing that I'm not doing yet, and I'm trying to like figure out what that is. So, why don't we do this? Why don't we schedule another meeting and have this be because we've got the other two now working on our behalf and why don't we make this outreach effort the sole pretty much conversation and uh Deb may have the benefit of having a couple of meetings with people and she could tell us what she learned and um and we could sort of finalize how we're going to go
084forward with our outreach. I would suggest we don't have time to wait. And I think Deb Deb's right that I think what we should do, Allan, is we we spend too much time talking about what we're going to do and we just need to start doing it, right? I think I think what we need to do is Deb I think Deb is has the right approach. If each of us in our town uh or you know someone that's in our town on the board can just make some inquiries. It's you know you can literally you must know somebody with kids. I do. I know I can get in touch with some some of the families here in Gil and reach out to them and say they're going to be dialed in to other families with
085kids and say, "All right, would you be willing to team up with me so we can have a conversation? Bring your uh you your friends that have kids and we're going to sit down and have a you know, it could be in a living room uh somebody's living room. It doesn't have to be in some public space. It's just getting the word out there and getting them excited. I mean, if each one of us does that, or at least if you don't know anyone, then get in touch with somebody that does, find somebody who does. Call your town hall. Who can I call that you know that you know that has kids that we we got to start getting the word out? Um, you know, that's what town halls do. So just get in touch
086with a couple of families and say look we need to generate some energy around this. Does this excite you? If it does, can you help us contact other family members so that we can set something up? uh where we can all get together and have a frank conversation because there's a lot of misinformation out there about what this is um what it means, what the uh the districts are like now. I mean, a lot of them have their own sort of personal experience with it. Um but that's just one experience. So, um, anyway, that's my is to give us a concrete plan, Allan, of just each one of us has to reach out to at least two families to get the ball rolling, right? Fine. We can have another meeting in in, you know, let's
087say two weeks after July 4th and everything else is over and say, okay, where what did we learn? What did we learn from these these two families we connected with? What did they tell us? Who did where where did they point us in the direction? like who is the the social butterfly that really has the pulse of the elementary school? Because there is guaranteed there's like one or two people that are going to be like, "Oh yeah, you should talk to so and so." I'm just thinking off the top of my head in Monu, you know, someone like Christina Poster who was always, you know, in the thick of everything. So, you know, I'll pick up the phone and call her. She's probably still connected up there in Monagu. Um, you know, those those are
088the kind of people we need to start reaching out and say, "Hey, we got to get momentum with this. Help us out." I don't think that's going to work at all in Warwick because we've got this new school district experiment. It is extremely popular. People would love to get into it from out of town where and I think that I'll do it, but but uh my next door neighbor's kid just graduated this year. I'll I'll I'll meet with them. U but I think they're going to say we don't want to change anything. Um yeah, David, it's on you to to basically let them know that things are changing anyways. It's going to change whether they like it or not. So, well, I'm not sure. I think Warwick is unfortunately in a position you're K through
089six. They've got to go on to middle and high school and those middle school doesn't vote to get rid of its school committee and it its superintendent then my understanding is this whole proposition fails because somebody else David if you can't promote it find somebody else that can because it doesn't sound like you are promoting you got to decide if you're in or out. So let's let's not let let's let's we can have that conversation later. Let's I want to stay focused on let's have these meetings. David, you and I can talk some more too. Let's have these meetings. I think any kind of delay in talking about this with people is a big mistake because No, no, I don't want to delay. I want to have these meetings, have these conversations as soon as
090possible. Let's meet in a couple weeks. Let's share that. That'll be the focus. But also the focus will be some of these ideas which may come out of these meetings, these coffee clutch meetings or whatever you want to call them on our strategy going forward because we've identified here are ways that we can get the word out. Um, so maybe what will percolate out of this is what will resonate with folks on on how to do this as well and we can share that because we have ideas on the table in our outreach efforts for September and October and early November. So um let's use this as step one. Let's get a meeting date and then we can conclude. 15th. That was your earliest date. Why can't we do it the 15th? Bill, is there
091no school committee meeting on the 15th? You meet Tuesdays and uh our meeting is next week the 8th and uh the 15th is open to answer your question. Okay. Why don't we put that in? Sure. Okay. And 6:30 and um did you say the 15th or the 16th? 16th. It's a Tuesday. No, 15th. 15th. 15th is 15th is a Tuesday. Okay. Yeah. And then what about the 29th? I'm away visiting my first grandchild. And I will not interrupt that. Yeah. What about the 22nd? It's just a week later. And what earlier a later? We do the 15th. We did it next week on the 22nd and then we won't be getting back together again until August, beginning of August. Right. Maybe the 12th, August 12th. Well, I'm not going to put it in because you
092changed things around since the last I had in the 22nd. You did have the 22nd and the 12th and the 26th from our previous meeting. Yeah. And we decided on the 15th. I'm I'm just I'm just one of a ma a mess, but those two dates won't work for me. We've got family visiting from France, and I want to all the time I can with my kids. So, yep. So, I'll just have to go online and find out what's been going on. And you could share I could have a conversation with you. You could share me if with me if you've had a conversation with some folks. I could pass that. probably won't just because if I've got if I've got family that only see once a year, I'm going to spend all the time
093I can with them. Sorry. When are they coming in, Pat? Uh they're coming in on the 9th and staying through to the like they're staying for three weeks. Oh, that's wonderful. Yeah, that's wonderful. It'll be fun. All right. So, we have the 15th right now and let's uh meet there and then uh we'll see where we go. Okay. Okay, it was productive. I thank you for participating. I don't want to have this go much longer because we we had a lot of good discussion and we've covered a two basic things and and we're going to see if we can get some momentum going. Great. All right. Um so, uh is there a motion to adjourn at 7:55? So moved. Karen moved. Second. I'll sec I'll second it. Pat seconded. Uh Alan Genevies. Yes. Derinda. Yes.
094Greg. Uh, yes. Uh, Pat, yes. Cliff, yes. Steve, yes. Bill, yes. And Alan, thank you for all of your work. Yes. And Greg. Yeah. Greg and I have been We thank you. Thank you for that. That That means something, Bill, because sometimes all you need is someone to say, "Yeah, thank you for what you're doing." Because sometimes I just think that do people understand how much work this is and I'm doing it and I think Reagan we all are to see if there's opportunities for kids that to can give them uh more than what they're getting now. So we'll see. All right. Thank you. All right. So uh that was that passed unanimously. So we'll all sign off and thank you for your participation. This was great discussion. Sure. and see you in two weeks.
095Yes indeedy. All right. Thank you. Yep.