School Committee Meeting - 2/29/2024

001e can't e that monitor sounds good all right uh good evening hollison sorry about the uh the slight delay starting um but it was uh for for good reason and uh we are going to start the meeting off uh with the with the vote to ratify the memorandum of agreement between the halls of school committee and the hft PA professional unit um so just to give everyone at home a little bit of an idea of what in the contract um we have agreed uh to a uh 5% annual C over the next three years it includes some movement around of eliminating the bottom three steps adding some steps with additional um percent increases to the to the top steps uh we are uh We've agreed to an additional uh hourly um rate increase to to

002the uh per hour rate for certain certifications as being a registered behavioral technician and RBT certification uh there's increase in substitution daily rates longevity uh bonuses are being increased after 10 years um and then we're codifying the $5,500 referral bonus um increasing tuition reimbursement and uh increasing flexibility in the hiring of qualified individuals uh as par professionals so I think that uh you know it's uh it's great that we've been able to come to an agreement um we if there's any questions about that's an open session we can talk about it or else we can move right to a to a vote you to say how much we appreciate the par professional team for you know working with us and collaborating and you know we felt like we had really productive and meaningful sessions and

003they were really good to work with and we of course appreciate all of our prayer professionals we just want to send a special thank you to the negotiating team Y and thank you guys to to Sarah um Cynthia and and Lisa for for your hard work negotiating that agreement because we we really do uh appreciate all the hard work you guys put in but especially what our pars do on on a day in and day out basis so it's hard work PR professionals do really hard work and we we appreciate them and value them yeah and I think that this contract really represents that we are you know competitive and with our surrounding communities and the direction that we need to go in terms of their what they what vital role they play in in

004the district so yeah well thank you very much so with that I'll entertain a motion to uh ratify uh the memorandum of agreement with the hft par professional unit for the period September 1 2024 through August 31st 2027 mve by Don seconded by Cynthia this doesn't need to be this doesn't need to be a roll call or anything so roll call yeah okay we'll do a roll call just to make it all all legit so Sarah yes Lisa yes Amanda yes Cynthia yes Don yes and Dan I yes as well so that carries six to nothing uh with many absent so thank you very much and uh you know congratulation stall um moving right along uh we are now on schedule um our consent agenda accept a entertain a motion to accept the consent agenda

005as presented move by Cynthia all in favor I I carry six to nothing thank you we know h a schedule uh now report from our student Representatives hi [Music] guys we have a lot March is a very busy month especially at hollon high school um so we're going to start with sports um because winter sports are kind of nearing an end and there's a lot of um success which is amazing um track um did amazing both boys and girls um boys got third in indoor track and the girls um a lot of them are moving on to the New England um tournament which is really exciting and uh I believe they got they won won they won yeah which is really phenomenal yeah um for um gymnastics the co-op team with Medway Millis Milford and

006Holliston um they got second place as sectionals and are moving on to States on Saturday which is top eight eight teams in Massachusetts um let's see the senior showcase is next Wednesday with lots of awesome senior Talent which is um always exciting to see all the the special things that um they'll present um on Friday is semi-formal for freshman in sophomores and the senior dance is um next Friday the 15th so that's a special dance just for the senior class um there will be a Bandon chorus concert on March 19th um there March is also a really busy time for our clubs um so deca hosta Academic Decathlon and Science Olympia Olive State competitions this month yeah um tonight actually currently um the drama program the theater 370 is doing a preview performance of their

007um their they wrote um a show called revolutions um and that will be presented at the Massachusetts educational theater Guild annual um drama Festival on Saturday which is really exciting um and then March 12th there is I believe it's the first the first hopefully annual unified basketball versus varsity basketball game um coming up yep and then uh in in March we have the eighth graders coming up to the high school to visit and we have mcast for 10th graders and um lastly we will uh be having Mrs applefield who's a holocaust Survivor um and maybe one other to come down to the high school to give a talk yeah that was I went last year super super powerful and really important thank you great and I was just noted we were voting on The the

008contract Travis was on and so he essentially abstained so we just make the record reflect that um he texted me and I forgot that though so that's on me um so school on school committee individual comment um so the Rams is having a readon that'll be starting I believe next week um and then the only other thing I have is the PTO will be running their their basket raffle that tickets will be on sale starting tomorrow online um it'll be kind of a new and expanded basket raffle to in conjunction with the 300th celebration for holl so bu your tickets nothing for me nothing for me tonight thanks nothing for me um just very quickly High School spring Sports registrations open it's open until March 8th I think you mentioned the play tonight which was

009written by one of our high school seniors um Danny Bernard revolutions and then we have the the performances this Saturday to great um and nothing uh for me do we have any uh a public comment right now I know you you wanted to to wait until we'll do that uh later anyone else okay um so now we get on to the the finalizing or the pair professional contract The Joint statement are we ready to do that now or do we want to wait till is it going to be like our newsletter do you think or no or do we have a different newsletter it wouldn't it would just be a separate thing that I would send up well I just figured it was under communication but it's okay um we can move into later if

010you'd like to to well I just figured that way we could get the going that's all I was thinking yep so we'll move that one down in the agenda and move up uh you wanted how do you want to handle the order I would suggest that since um Mr ber has some visitors here to speak that we could put Equity steering first and then technology followed by budget okay let's do it okay awesome um would you mind pulling up this I might but I'll do it we should always yes should thank you is that equable so uh before I uh begin I first want to uh um thank you guys for having me I'm excited um I've really loved doing this I've really loved just getting in a room with some passionate people and talking

011about this super meaningful work in a real honest way um it's not easy and I think we're going to get a chance to talk about that work today but I also think everyone here has aspirations of where we can get to as a district um so with that uh before I begin my uh report I'll just introduce myself and I'll just those here to Inu themselves as well U and they'll have a chance where they'll kind of share their experiences so J Jerry Al director of INE Equity I am Rachel Griffith senior at hon High School I did you Al senior Sean mull um associate G of Faculty for the Natural Sciences of FAL University and a father of three children in the district awesome um so I just wanted to share with you today

012what I'm going to be talking about a little bit around next slide is I want to share a little bit of what we've done our last two sessions right so we're going to be entering actually next Monday session three um so I want to share what we've done I want to paint a picture for where we're going and how we're and how we're trying to get there there's no clear path of exactly how we get there but how we get there together um and then I wanted to kind of share with you the experience of a student and a parent um from their perspective on what it's been like so far um My Hope Is that every time I come and share a update I'll be able to bring another voice because I think this

013work isn't about what I can bring it's about what I can facilitate in the room to get us to a real meaningful place um so next slide so what what are we doing right so one of the first things we started was was around norming right when you're bringing people from multiple different experiential backgrounds we have um Educators we have administrators we have parents we have students um all coming together everyone has different experiences everyone has different levels of interaction with the school system um and then we have to think about how do we take AP part and think of and look at the suggestions that came out of an equity audit and then engage in conversations together to then get to a place of making recommendations so one of the first things we had

014to do was Norm our language Norm um come up with group agreements around how do we engage in discourse how do we engage in conversation um and then make sure that we all have the same objective right which is to be able to provide a district with meaningful recommendations on where should we begin not just in the shortterm but what's the work we want to see happen long term that is not just in practice but structural we also had to spend time getting to know each other we have to spend time centering our passions right why are we in the room um we also kind of one of the things that we we that is extremely important is from session to session is getting feedback um every session there's something that we learn about the

015way we learn together about the way that's best to receive material how do you take apart a 50-page paper um Etc um and then making sure that um we're I'm constantly sharing that feedback that they're receiving from me to them and how we're making decisions to kind of from session to session uh next slide uh hit it a couple of times because I didn't realize it yeah okay that's good um so what did we do one of the things you'll see in if you ever come to some of my professional developments is music uh music to me is one of those things that just changes the room but also it's a metaphor for a lot of the things that we do so our first session we use this metaphor of music to say we all

016come with a different sound but how do we bring it together into something that makes sense that feels great that sounds great that's what this works about so that was session one can you go to the next slide uh session two was jump into the work right so and that came after feedback I got feedback from people after the first session and said can we just jump into the work and I said let's do it so session two we jumped into the work um and we we first kind of went through and said how is this audit created in the sense of how's the structural created and then what's going to be the work of how we go through that uh next slide so I just want to kind of take some time just to

017kind of highlight this um the report has three domains so it provides recommendations for us as a district in those three domains Innovative programming school and District structures and student trajectories and outcomes but within each domain it gives a recommendation for elementary and it gives a recommendation for district and a recommendation for secondary right so not only are there three domains there's three areas within each domain of how to look at that piece so what we decided to do uh hit the next button is that we looked at each domain and what we're going to do is Center each each time we meet on one of those through lines so um the the session we had in um February we looked at all the district recommendations when we jump into this next session on Monday

018we're jumping into Elementary and then we're going to jump into SEC into the secondary bidle in high school once we've had a chance to go through and look at through lines across the whole piece we're then going to come back together and that's when we start to really create the recommendation piece because it's extremely challenging to look at with you do the math there's probably over 50 to 60 different kinds of recommendations within that audit next button so um and that's exactly what I just shared so um on Monday we're going to be jumping into looking at the elementary uh recommendations at all three domains um secondary will be at the next session um and then future sessions we'll be kind of bringing all that work together um so that's an update as far as

019what we've done where we're at right two sessions I think that we've done a lot of work in those sessions but I wanted to kind of bring those who are actually um in those sessions to share a little about what they've experienced right I consider myself and I say I'm the DJ right so I play the I play the tunes I play the I set the vibe but they're the ones in the in the room doing the work so um with that why don't I get a chance to kind of just um these are some questions that I thought was extremely important just to hear from them um because it really centers our recommendations will come in the future um so why don't we just start with the first one I know we in ourselves

020but if you can just once again say your name and just kind of what brought you to uh joining this committee yeah um again my name is Rachel Griffith and I am a senior and I think I've always had a passion for helping others and wanting to kind of do do things to for the greater good um and I think especially now being a senior and at the end of my K12 education and kind of preparing to move on I have been thinking a lot like about what what I can do um and how I can how I can leave a positive impact on a place that has um really given me so many opportunities to kind of learn grow and just become a good person and I think when I um initially um heard

021about this steering committee I was like this this seems like an incredible opportunity not just um not just because I I want to do it for myself but because I can hopefully have a really positive impact on the district and um help to um yeah make it a a a better more Equitable inclusive place for um all the people that will come after me and I think yeah that is really kind of my why for being on on this committee and um I think kind of so far um like throughout high school I have I just learned and seen kind of firsthand the value and listening and acknowledging also the many privileges I have because I do come from a very privileged place and I think being on this committee has reinforced this and kind

022of given me an opportunity to learn from other people who have different experiences um even if I don't necessarily agree with them that it's so powerful to hear different stories because that just helps helps me to grow and helps me um to be a more well-rounded kind of global Citizen and I think um I think what I've seen so far is that um the report has had so many people involved and has um has uh so many different levels to it um but obviously when you're talking about Equity there's so many so many viewpoints it's kind of there's not you can't say this is equity or this is equity it just it is always kind of growing in a in evolving and so I think it's really important that we kind of view this like

023yes we're going to give recommendations but this is this is a living thing and we're going to continuously have to keep on changing and keep on um looking at these issues because a lot of them are kind of systemic and so I think I think um just knowing we have this committee is really hopeful because I know that hollon is going to continue to do that and going to continue to work hard to make the district as um as inclusive and as um Equitable as possible and I think also um specifically the the last session um early February um really made me think about how diversity encompasses so many different things and making sure um an an equity um as well um it's because there's diversity is not just physical it's not just race it's

024religion gender identity sexual orientation neurodiversity Etc it kind of the list goes on and so I think being able to have all these um different voices at the table in terms of the um steering committee is so important and um I I'm really excited to see where we go with this right now and just how how the district continues to um make positive changes awesome thank you so much um adj I know you didn't you weren't originally thinking about joining us so I know this was like last minute you're like I'm sitting in um do did you want to take a stab of sharing some of your experiences I can just give like a brief glimpse into like what I've experienced and what my thoughts are so um hi again my name's adtia um I'm

025a senior at hollon High um the reason I I joined this committee was um at least as a student leader um I've heard and I've like seen um so many incidences of things like microaggressions and basically um although we could we can never truly be perfect there are some like issues at our school that I think we really need to confront head on um and so far in this committee I've I think it's been really really insightful there's people from uh very with with very different perspectives and thus there's so many things we can discuss um with like the different aspects of equity diversity and these issues that are going on um at our school um I think as Rachel said um since there's so many parts to the report and um the the the

026report has so yeah it has so many different parts and some parts um require us to take some time to talk about these Concepts and to sort of discuss and learn about new things and then apply those Concepts to our understanding of what's going on in the school um so I think we are making progress it's been really insightful to hear the perspectives of other people um and also uh something great that we did which I thought was um super interesting was how uh we all talked about our own biases and like how that affected um affects our viewpoints on things like Equity um and yeah overall I'm just super excited to see what we do going forth um and I think we're doing great work thank you thank you and from a parent John

027oh my this questions again oh it's totally fine it's okay right here wow wow fireone right there the budget coming up in thanks gel yeah so again my name is uh Sean Mullen um my why is complicated I have a deep uh commitment to fostering efforts to increase diversity Equity inclusion in both my professional and my personal life so in my professional role as an associate Dean and a professor um where I get to interact with student staff and faculty in an academic setting I spent a lot of time thinking hard about how we can bring more diverse voices into our discussions about policies and practices and experiences uh I have witnessed firsthand the what happens when environments are not Equitable or inclusive so when that happens to adults you get disengagement and quiet quitting

028when it happens to young people you get attentional issues depression anxiety um you know and in worst case scenarios you get suicidal ideation so it can be traumatic on lots of different levels and it's just not something that we want to perpetuate and so you know I've had a lifelong commitment to that also in my professional life I'm on the diversity committee for my scientific society which is important because I'm an ecologist and evolutionary biologist and it you might be surprised to know that it's almost all white big shock so we're doing a lot of professional efforts there to sort of uh bring more divice diverse voices into those conversations as well because a lot of the parts of the earth that are changing the most rapidly you know don't reflect the the representation of

029the people who have expertise in in my personal life uh we moved to Holliston in 2016 because that year the school committee focus on professional development was social and emotional wellness and my oldest child who graduated last year who is now a freshman at Stonehill has a lot of anxiety had a lot of ADHD um and we thought it would be a good district for her and it was it was wonderful she had a great experience um I'm also the father of a transgender child and so it's important to both my wife and I that our child is treated with respect and has the opportunity to and learn and be supported as his full self and to never be judged for that um my experience so far has been fantastic as you've already heard these

030young people are there at the committee which is incredibly just admirable from so many perspectives I just I think it's it's so impressive that you're taking time to come and and make your voices heard in in these sort of roles your age that's just I'm constantly Blown Away by it and then Jerry's done a great job of bringing diverse voices into that room so he mentioned the students the parents the staff the school committee members um the administrators it's wonderful to see all of the the different voices that come together from different perspectives that care deeply about this issue so that's been fantastic in terms of the complexities and the work um the work is lifelong right you don't make changes related to diversity equity and inclusion without a commitment to ongoing effort it's not

031something that you can just change the policies school committee policies for instance and say like oh we have an equity policy and then walk away from it it's something that has to be a living document as you said um that you have to be committed to long term and it's it's it's work it's real work people come to the work from different points along their journey and we need to recognize that and support them and meet them where they are um the challenges beyond that are the number recommendations in the equity audit it's it's there are a lot of recommendations and so how do you break that down to something that's digestible for everyone who have much many of us have very different levels of experience or exposure to it and so that's sort of

032what we've started to do right so we focus at that high level districtwide uh recommendations and try to sort of find the common threads across the entire district and then the stal we're going to break it down from there so that's why that's one of the things that's it so that was an update we wanted to kind of update you where we're at what we're doing why we're doing it uh and then get a chance for you guys to hear directly from those who are kind of engaged in the work with me um you know I guess I would open if you have any questions and if not then we'll continue you know keep moving great thank you all again do we have questions yeah I was just wondering if you have a timeline in

033terms of when you think that you would come back with you know you've got 50 recommendations I guess or so that you're looking at but are those going to be broken down down into I don't know if we're going to be able to do all 50 of them but you know yeah I mean what we had set as the Poss possible uh you know when we first set out this work uh I had shared that um we provided an update uh February April with the hope of by May June providing the recommendations especially as we turn the corner a lot of professional development is planned over the summer especially for the UPC coming year so um the goal is to have that but in all honesty it's probably going to be two levels of recommendations

034one is the short term around like what are things that we want to start doing this summer to get ready for the next school year and what are some long-term recommendations right I think the other piece that we're kind of really cognizant of is that we don't want to just live in the short term of like let's start this next year we really want to have recommendations to say we believe we should start here but also these are some structures that we should consider so that this continues to live um I don't think anyone who's been participating would want to say we're done in June peace see you later I think they're like we want to make recommendations and we want to continue to kind of connect to figure out how do we continue to

035help the district move um so I almost see it like in two layers and not disbanding I guess when yeah can I make one statement um I'm disappointed that I don't have the B with to sit on this committee with you because I'm very passionate about this work I'm so proud that we were able to get the equity audit done with our strategic plan this is a certainly a passion of mine I don't think people realize how much the demographics are changing in the district when I was looking up this week just in one year our um white population has decreased by 4% so currently we are 1 . 1% africanamerican 88.8% Asian 88.5% hispanic. 1% Native American 75.8 white .1 native Hawaiian Pacific Islander and multi-cistronic Journey you Mr Mullen um I have a

036biological son who's also non-binary and gay very proud of my child I have another child who also has a transgender girlfriend whom we adore and I've watched their struggles and their family disappoint them and throw them out of their family and we have embraced her and loved her like our own so as I said I don't usually get personal but this work is so important and worry I worry so much about students if they don't get the things that they need so I just felt it's important I don't want to be a bystander I want to share in the journey and the work with you thank you so thank you very much Youk you right um any any other questions okay I think thank you thank you good luck with the rest of your two

037and a half hour meeting and half hour I used to do this did you want to say something now if I met sure just yeah to so um thank you for allowing me to speak and um I guess you know listening to everybody else um so when we think about the implementation ultimately of the recommendations in the plan um uh it's a similar uh reality that we're facing with the Strategic plan for the town fi25 the next 5 years there's an entire page of Dei diversity active inclusion recommendations um and and we we know that it's going to require engagement um and you all teachers school committee uh folks on this this particular steering committee need the community to be engaged um and so that's what I wanted to reference that that you know so

038I'm I'm a you know my other name Robert Prince P 203 turn R um but I'm also a member of diverse Holliston and one of our goals is to build that cross collaboration between community and practitioners in in whether it's in in the steering committee here or teachers in the building or the select board or the finance committee that that collaboration is something we can we can build up because we can't move these changes unless we have that um and so that's my point in sitting here to say um we we want to have that conversation figure out how to do that it's not going to happen because the report is up on the website it's not even going to happen because this committee is working right so so we need need to talk about

039how to build out that engagement and and then the other very very large piece it was interesting while I was waiting for the executive session to be over I was walking around reviewing some of the awards and recognitions and then the school committee talked about all the activities that have taken place around the district right there all that good stuff the work my understanding having been in education from 1975 to 2005 the work of addressing gaps in Access and equity in educational environments is different distinctive than what we're already doing it's always the question what is it that I don't know because if I looked at the report and I did a quick review before I came and I see the population directly affected by the gaps um and we need to give voice to

040those populations distinctive from the awards on the war or the activities that have taking place today and I'm not dismissing the value of that right but but um uh you know students of color students with are English language Learners students who are economically disadvantaged or on free reduced launch program students with disabilities students with mental health issues these are voices that are not heard not because people are ignoring them because polic policy and practice tradition Ally continues to do what we've done so it's about change and that's a big difference to get to fill those gaps no matter what the recommendations are in that report and we need all of us to be involved in that so I'm so I want to voice the distinction of the work that we're trying to accomplish and I

041want to say almost demand that the community engage this and and there are people in this community that want to play the role in build bridging that relationship so please let's have that con that's a distinctive conversation right you all work tirelessly on a regular basis and have these meetings and deal with all these issues we need each other I mean jarel's leadership around this started with the issue of relationship building very intentional and and this issue of people not just sitting and saying Oh how we doing we're good my kids's good we're all set well maybe there's a bunch of kids that aren't good and we don't even know about it so um thank you for listening and and and uh we're we're we're ready to to engage not just to put up a

042report that says here's the 20 recommendations we're going to move forward on but what do what does the reinvention of the relationship the community mean to see the the that people dig into the implementation of those recommendations what does that look like and that's that's a whole different other challenge thank you for listening thank you Robert apprciate it thank you guys again uh for that presentation and for the work that you're doing and we look forward to contining to hear from you did you say you want the technology next yes please super loud thank you yes on you're up all right good evening everyone thank you uh can someone pull it up getting it all right thank you all right tonight I just wanted to share a current major project we're working on and then

043a future project so it's going to be pretty brief uh just keeping you uh up to date basically last time I was here I presented on the AI steering committee so uh here's the update if you want to switch to the next slide it's going to be two topics um new phone system we just launched this past Monday so um I'll talk about that and some of the features we brings us and then talk about cyber security there's starting we're starting to see some grants for K to2 and I'll talk about what we're doing with the town partnering with the town to address cyber security so and both of these obviously communication Arch one and uh cyber secur is really under Arch one2 in the Strategic plan all right it's a zoom phone hopefully that's

044a little small up there so I'll try to read that for you uh but basically the biggest safety feature is um the the zoom phone is a cloud-based phone system so prior to this we were on a you know really Antiquated at least a dozen years old phone system with u you know copper lines and it was as you can imagine it's it was way outdated so we were actually uh grandfathered in to uh two laws called car's law and Ray bombs act and so having a legacy phone system allowed us to uh keep be out of compliance but when you get a new phone system you have to be in compliance so essentially what it means is uh we can dial 911 directly so car's law was named after a mother who was killed

045when her child tried to dial 911 from a motel and the motel required a nine in front of the 911 so the call never got out so that's what we're trying to address so uh teachers and students can dial 911 directly and then the other big piece is we have exact location of classrooms now when it reaches a dispatch so prior to this it would just say Holliston High School now it's going to say hollison High School second floor room 816 exactly where that event happens so those are two again federal laws that we're now in compliance with and then the calling features we got new handsets they have color screens uh yeah go figure we're going from black and white to color um again the call numbers when teachers call you now it's going

046to be they don't need to remember the nine in front it's just a direct aisle and then we have multiple ways of calling now for staff with the laptops they can call on their laptop they can call in their handset and then if they choose to put on their mobile phone the Zoom app is very Rob robust on the phone too and then uh you can initiate Zoom meetings instantly and then a big one a nice feature is voicemail transcriptions so again that saves people's steps of checking their voicemails it just comes into your email and it's transcribed already it's pretty accurate and then we have have nice directories for searching uh other staff members next slide please please so that's actually before I get there so just questions on the zoom phone uh we

047are I will say we're in the initial first week so it's it's 350 phones so appreciate everyone's patience public The public's patience if you see any glitches uh we're working through those so but do you all have any questions about system that's great okay all right so this is a map of guess what cyber incidents so Switching gears pretty quickly these are K to 12 cyber incidents we are not one of them fortunately um but it's it's pretty much in when is it going to happen so that's what we're going to try to address um so there are districts in Massachusetts that have been attacked and it's it's never um Pleasant so we're trying not to be one of those dots but that's U the green and the yellows are the fishing and the ransomwares

048so those are the most um uh prevalent uh thoughts on that map next [Music] slide so here's what we're doing as far as planning and actually you can skip to the next slide after that so the the as far as best practices there's really five components to cyber security planning for K to 12's multiactor authentication we've done for staff districts like us are still talking about students um it's a tough one because as you know with multiactor you need a cell phone so do we start with high school and then you know Middle School some kids have cell phones some don't so multiactor is tricky with students but at least for for staff we've done that um and then I'll switch to ones that are not bolded but known exploited vulnerabilities so we've invested you've

049helped us invest in uh infrastructure and nice antivirus software so we feel pretty good about that that and then backups most of our systems are in the cloud so we rely on the vendors for their backups um but it doesn't mean we're safe we have to you know if power school for example had some sort of breach we would be in serious trouble so we try to make sure to select vendors that are reputable and have a nice security plan in place but the two that are starred are where we're going to shift our Focus so um we have a training program we TR train 20 to 30 employees every year with fishing attempts and uh everybody here has gone through it um but it's it's not enough it's we train the people the nurses

050and the people with high level of data access but teachers we need to do better job so Chris mayo and I the town IT director are actually partnering we're uh submitting a grant again we're starting to see funding coming in we're going to submit a grant that allows us to perhaps train teachers and the trainings the nice thing about the trainings is it benefits people in their personal lives too so IT addresses both work and professional keeping yourself safe and then we really need to uh ramp up an incident response plan so I talked to the Safety Committee uh this past week and I'd like us to be a part of uh the Safety Committee as far as tabletop exercises so the best practice again is you know the senior leadership the admin Council perhap

051teachers we need to start practicing cyber attacks and what we do if we're attacked you know do we go back to paper for that week we just need to start planning these scenarios because again it's I can't make any guarantees like it's it's cyber warfare so um we just need to start planning so I wanted to keep you in the loop on those plans as they develop and again there's some funding that's going to help us with that great um do we do fishing exercises or anything like that uh they come naturally actually so that becomes the exercise it's really that's that's what it is it's education by um and I think people are pretty in tune with it now it's typically Dr cusk's name is mentioned salaries mentioned and you know click this to

052see whatever right but her name is always in there it seems like and U it's not just us it's it's other districts and the the actors use Google Drive and so that's how it sneaks through our filters is they use Google Drive so I just know at work you know we get it occasion Al it seems like it's almost weekly you know emails that were supposed to click you know you know this is fishing and you say you know this has been an exercise and you you passed and you know but the number of us went through the formal training that had to go through hours of it to correct try to um prevent so we feel good about this Grant and it's going to be um again we'll try to train teachers and um

053everyone else constantly and then the incident response planning will be super helpful so any questions about that piece all right thank you thank you Mr M all right great um High School I think we should a budget next um because Jess was not on the agenda originally so sure let's do it okay this is the one we've y okay so tonight I'm going to present to you our proposed fy2 budget but it is February 29th and everything is an estimate at this point we have some definite concerns which I'll walk through and Mr Bay will share as well um about where we land for the fy2 budget but right now we're we're basing it on what we know that is always subject to change we are working with student populations and um it's not always

054as predictable as who would like so the items that I'm going to talk about tonight is the rationale for putting this proposed budget together budget history and comps what a level Services budget might look like the town projected budget and deficit priority needs that the administrative team and I put together and presented to you in January and then Capital requests for the town as well so when we put the bud budget together um and the Strategic plan is linked in there just I try to always connect all the Dots here but um we did closely look as we've been trying to align all of our work to the 2022 2027 plan which I can't believe we're actually in year three already um and well we will be in year three and if you look at

055the priority needs they're all tied directly to those strategic initiatives we try to really build in and make sure we're looking at those costs that we did not know were going to be so unpredictable this year for transportation tuition and FY 24 which is also impactful to FY 25 we're also still negotiating contracts it was nice that we were able to um share tonight that we did ratify the power professional contract which is great news and helps us place that in the budget which we've done um but we have contracts that are not known at this point and we're going to talk about how the town of Holliston is definitely experiencing Financial challenges at this time not unlike many of the districts surrounding us and the state and the country this is all taken into

056consideration for what I'm proposing for the budget for next year mray put together um the cost per pupil for our comparable except and Tech districts and this is the per pupil cost currently from FY 23 and the hollist and you can see where it is so um there's room to grow we have limitations with the Town forecast and I'll talk about that but you can see where we stand with some of the neighboring districts as well now one of the things that we had had a lot of discussions on last year during the budget year with a 14% increase that the operational services division who does the pricing for for out of District placements um uh recommended and put forward so that 14% increase now the legislature followed suit did a 14% increase in circuit

057breaker reimbursement so I just want to just kind of show you a situation that looks good but may not be so if you look at it you take a typical $150,000 placement you add the 14% to that put you at 171,000 so I got to stand up can't help it um so here with $150,000 place we get a circuit breaker reimbursement of 75,000 and these were all big round numbers you know and the district cost me 7 5,000 so you look at the 171 we get 90,000 and the district cost would be 80 but for that increase again while we're picking up 5,000 of it you look at it oh it's only a 7 7% increase great isn't that it's like better well the problem is is that the 21% circuit breaker reimbursement the state

058only put aside an additional 14% so somebody has to eat that other seven which comes back this way it also doesn't account for any new students which again pushed it this way so you know pushed it I should say this way on you know on the district cost so this is where while the 14% is great in theory it doesn't necessarily mean anything positive for for a district the other piece is you have to know that the way that circuit breaker Works while they included transportation in it now which is when they did a big jump in circuit breaker 3 four years ago and gradually rolled it in the problem with um the way they execute it from a transportation perspective is they make sure they get to the 75% reimbursement for tuition first and

059then whatever's left over can go to Transportation so when they put 14% in and we can see a simple case where they've already missed that number transportation is getting scraps so again GR in theory in reality it may not work out whether it be new new students or students that may get be you know end up in a more restrictive placement where again while they put 14% there but a more restrictive placement puts a bigger number over here than that again we're still chasing a number that we're not reaching so I just want to just put that in front of you just so you understand one of our biggest line items both we have talked about about special education tuition and transportation that as much as the state is putting more money than they have

060in the past it's still not offsetting the total increase in costs so thank you so I wanted to talk about a level Services budget and what that really means to the late person I think we all know that cuz we deal with budgets um in our personally daily life here at work but a level service budget is defined as we look at what the current Year's level of services is what what staff we have here what needs we have here currently what we're managing for students and we project that forward for one more year that means what I'm proposing tonight is a level Services budget that is necessary to maintain what we currently have we have one slight ad I'm going to talk about but really this is what it would take to keep our

061services consistent for students so this is the chart and I'll explain it a little bit more in depth but if you look at our current FY 24 appropriated budget it's 40,5 29934 again this is a ballpark estimate it's a good solid estimate but until we get further into the budget season and settle more contracts we won't have a final number but we're estimating a 1,665 1988 increase for salaries which is about 72% of our budget and that's a 5.10% um increase or FY 25 other fixed costs are coming in around 400,000 which is 8.30% special increases this is what I explained to you a little bit earlier that I'm going to ask just to speak to as well but we had those unforeseen transportation and tuition costs for number of reasons but Keith explained as

062well that 14% increase in tuition and that is putting us going into fi 24 f25 at 92231469 for those increases that were not planned for with these State changes and for the changes in cost of Transportation so you can see the bottom line there that means the level service to maintain Services as we are today would be 43,5 [Music] 2017,18 7% budget for fy2 which is certainly higher than we've seen in past years so I did Link in a couple of slides um that Jess has put together for us that she's prepared to talk to and answer questions for you as well thank you Jess thank you um so I put together this you've seen this before before I presented this I just went back a little bit further so you could sort of see

063the the growth um and I presently surprised to see although we're growing it's not exponentially right um so while that cost feels extremely high um I would like to explain the the why I feel those reasons are um and it's not based because our AO District number is considerably much higher um but certainly do um what Keith has said um but it's important to point out when you look across um the surrounding towns we're well within that similar percentage of um the amount of special ed kids versus gen Ed um so we're not you know over beyond our means there and over qualifying which I think is really good next slide sorry um so I just wanted to sort of outline some of the reasons so that you all could see it the the um

064people at home could hear it without it's a careful balance of really it's confidential information and I really need to I take that very very seriously um and so without giving away too much detail of kids personal lives you can see the reasons why these budget increases sort of took us a little bit by surprise um and I think the biggest thing that we can't account for is we are in the people business and students and their behavior and how they're doing is unpredictable and so much of the cost of what Keith was talking about a little bit earlier is that least restrictive to most restrictive and so some of the costs that we really couldn't account for were places where we might have thought of an extended avow while the student was in that

065extended avow placement it didn't go as well as we had hoped right and so they then needed to shift to a day placement so some students who were in day placement were really really struggling and needed to shift from day placement to residential and when you look at the total cost of a placement like that it is considerably High um the other piece the 14% not all of them went up to 14% but a lot of them did um and we're really starting to see a considerable amount of complex needs and what I mean by that is that to um medical behavioral and social emotional combined where it is actually more cost effective believe it or not to place the child and better for them to place them than it is to try to recreate

066all of these resources within District so um I I am always a a comp a proponent of keeping our kiddos here um but there is that time where you have to really look at what is better for that child um when we looked at Transportation costs and you know Keith is right it is it is considerably high and I have to say when I walked into this position we had many many many students on limousine services we are districts everywhere are struggling with Transportation you ask anybody in my job Alik that's the biggest thing that's the biggest number that's the biggest cost um I put that example in there because we had some students where it was $600 a day it was C in for us to transport that kiddo to and from that's insane

067um a lot of it is due to gas prices a lot of it is where the placement is located what type of transportation we were using and I have to give my coordinator Michelle lame tons of credit because she got every single student off of that limousine service and into Transportation vehicles at a much better cost um we are seeing a significant increase in the need for monitors we don't take that into consideration when we're thinking about Transportation costs but for a transportation company to provide a monitor for us for a student whether that's for their medical need or a behavioral need is costly um and that's added to that that cost for us um we have some students that need wheelchair accessible Vehicles those are not only hard to find but much more pricey

068um and then the locations of placement so that's really cost dependent for having somebody go from Holliston all the way into the city it's a much greater price um and then our outof district movein across the board for both transportation and just out of District placement is not something we can predict so a kiddo moves in that has been placed either long term for a very long time or just recently um we own that until we can meet and talk about whether it is we can bring them back into District or not but those are unexpected costs that I certainly faced um last year and this year that are unavoidable for us any questions on that or I don't know if you want me to wait or just one so if you bring back up

069the first slide I just you were here in October and you gave us an update on some numbers Y and uh as of sort of the end of last year um you had 199 uh 504s 77 Ells but then it said 42 out of districts MH in but this now says 46 no no I'm just but this is a historical data yeah that I said last year but I didn't present in June so the number right but you know you were saying the 22 2022 2023 school year did you present in May is that no this was the October 5th one oh I'm sorry then that could have been a misn number that that could be totally a mistake it also it also may be that um when when Jess and I drew up our

070numbers I count the northwalk AGI special needs children as out of district and they're in my they're part of my out of District number because it's a sped cost for that so that's where it falls on my end of- year report so it also may have been that that she may have been chewing up with that and I don't remember I I can look at them again and the other well the IP number is slightly different too but then the the 504 is is is 199 the ell 77 but it's 42 we just just I'll I'll yeah I'm happy to take a look at it to absolutely y okay I am just going theot it's okay no I just it I'm happy to see it wasn't incredibly much different over the past three years but

071I can get that exact number for you yeah that would great okay so going back to our um level Services budget I'm going to continue [Music] on so we are we on the town side for fy2 well Our Town Administrator as you know um has presented um some of his placeholders for next year based on the revenue that we're seeing now for the town we don't have a lot of Industry as we all know in this town there's not a lot of wiggle room um so he has modeled a 3.25% increase as a placeholder and that's not guaranteed we're hopeful that he'll get us to that 3.25% that's what he's modeling but that's still not guaranteed at this time so with that number and and the level service budget that I proposed to you tonight

072we would be at a 4.12% deficit this would mean a m670 794 dedu reduction of the level Services budget and that's approximately 20 or more positions which is not good for our students this is also not taken into any consideration of any priority needs that we presented you on January 8th or thereabouts but I still want to talk about that a little bit more so I moved this around but I did feel it was important to show you this before I go into um the why of of what I am still hoping to um account for next year's budget these are all the items that we discussed with the community when we presented as a as a leadership team in January now the communication um cyber security we do still need to do that so

073Mr McLoud will be able to manage that 15,600 from revolving funds we have all these other items under social emotion well-being and teaching and learning and talent and resources all of those numbers together without the cyber security in place would be $487,500 of new priority needs which again not to be Bleak but it's not accounted for in that level Services budget so if we're already talking potential cuts of 20 positions I can't support this amount of needs for the district but one that I am asking you to consider is the bcba that we put on that list in the bcba position um for next year that I'm going to let just speak to why we are asking for this districtwide is a $75,000 estimate um and this if we did add this position to the

074level service budget that would get us to the bottom line there which would be a 7.56% increase for next year so why why am I still trying to find a way to find this pcba position for the district Jess can you tell us that sure sure oh it's going to be a good pitch no um it's I really feel strongly in talking with a a lot of our staff within the district administrators the bcbas um this is a very much needed position and when I sit through my job alike it something that every district is looking for um we understand that students and their seal needs is huge at this point and you heard me talk when when we were talking about priority needs um is we do have wonderful counselors here right and they

075have those clinical skills and what we now need is more of that behavioral lens so that we are being more proactive as opposed to reactive um and we're looking at what is the function of the child's behavior and that's EX ly what the bcba is trained to do um where a counseling clinician is more or less providing that skill development the bcba and counselor can work in tandem to identify what the behavior is what is the function of it what is that child trying to tell us and then working with counselors um which you see through um I talk about right there is our aim training um is something huge that Victoria Briggs and Aaron con and our bcbas have brought in we did a lot of professional development in G January we had um

076an learning agency come in and teach the aim training which is accept identify and move and it's essentially the blending of social emotional mindfulness training with um that behavior piece that behavior analysis piece so they run groups in tandem with counselors um across the lower levels we want to grow that so that we're getting more bang for our buck and helping our middle school and high school kids as well um so when we look at the current two bcbas across the district their case load is at 60 students um already this includes um other things that they need to do um our consultations that are on their IEPs uh with families and staff they are required to complete FB that come from um many come from our sap team meetings and our special ed meetings

077um and for those of you that don't know it's a functional behavioral assessment which is very very time consuming and the essence of that is to determine what the function of a child's behavior is and talking with Victoria and Aaron give me a ballpark 12 to 15 plus hours to do one um the clinical observations which is a little less um stringent upon them it's more of that looking at their record review doing an observation of the kids right there in class and giving some feedback um and from that often comes those behavioral support plans five to seven hours each um so they're spending lots and lots of time doing really wonderful work um but when they get drawn to do that then they can't do the Hands-On direct service work with staff and students

078and so it's this Push Pull um additionally we've worked really hard uh to restructure our continuums to create those places uh for students so that we are not losing them to outed District um but that leaves two people to to help oversee continuums in all four buildings three continuums in all four buildings um which is as you can imagine is really challenging and so what we find is that there are often these gaps where they can only get to so many buildings in five days um and spend good considerable amount of time there helping our students and our staff the other thing that they do um a lot of is professional development they're also our safety care trainers so they are providing that um that training throughout the district um to ensure that we are

079in compliance um so that when we do need to unfortunately ever um do an escort or put hands on a child that is disregulated um we need to make sure that our staff are trained to do that um because when that happens and they're not we would be in big trouble um and so they provide all of that training um which can be a half a day to a couple of day training depending on upon um whether the staff has been trained or not so if it's an initial or a resear um I talked about the aim groups um and then they also do a lot of um collaboration and coordination with home-based care providers so when students um in their IEPs have ABA at home our bcbas are the ones that are making sure

080that's happening and collaborating with them to say what are you working on with them at home so that we can then work on that with them here at school um so providing that additional bcba I don't need to read all of that to you but really is going to strengthen the work of many people that is only being done by two people um in this district and um I think what we would see in getting that position is a much um more fluent and aligned process over every building um and carryover from grade to grade to building to building um so that students are not losing the work that they're gaining when they're younger um and able to carry that through um through Miller uh middle in the high school um so with that we

081feel strongly that this um of all positions is something that would be more of a proactive um preventative measure of of helping support our kids and our staff um with the behavior concerns going on and I mean this is not just Co we were we've been struggling pre-o as well but now at the students that um were born during Co or didn't get socialization in their early years and an hour in our schools so it's not surprising that this is a need um my daughter-in-law is a bcba and used to be in Canton Public Schools is now in private and it really is something that we're seeing a growing need for um in every Community every Community yeah and I think what's hard is between two people they're trying to find the balance of where

082are they needed most and the reality is they're needed everywhere in this District um and so you know the the urgency tends to be the littles right um but then when we focus down there we're forgetting about those middle and high school kids that are really struggling as well so um it's important that you know we put those services in place to help capture that and reduce our costs on the other end thank you Jess any questions for Justin because I'm going to let her leave when she feels ready than special okay thank you Jess I'm sure there will be down the line I'll get you those numbers though I'll make sure they accurate y moving on to Capital requests and just for those in the audience that are listening um when we talk about

083the level service budget the appropriation budget that is the cost with the majority is Personnel but those are long-term needs Capital requests are onetime funds and are not part of our appropriation budget so the amount that we have put together for Capital requests again tied directly to our strategic plan and initiatives is $481,500 under Arch two for teaching and learning you'll see a large number is pre-created 12 math materials and that is because we have not purchased new we have not reviewed and purchased new math material since 2011 and we also know that we have a a large increase in our ell popul I showed you the demographic change as well so we really need to be mindful of trying to make sure that everything is accessible to our students so we would we do

084need to U purchase a translation copier at $5,700 which seems obvious that that would be a need in this day and age with our students um for teachers when they're putting together materials for their students have coming in with different languages as to be able to translate those immediately we're also in the review process for Science and World languages so we have estimated up about 35,000 for Science and 30,000 for World Language materials and then we are also looking to change our math and lay diagnostic tool currently we're using star but star is really just working as a diagnostic tool it's been helpful and during Co when we were trying to get a sense of how to put our kids into tier one and tier two intervention I mean tier two and tier three interventions

085it was a helpful tool to get us started because we really didn't have an ongoing progress monitoring tool that would work for this but the tools that we're looking for now would really provide us not only the diagnostic tool but then the ability to do some of that tier one and tier 2 instruction to free up the teachers so that they can really support tier three and then also um the whole group instruction that they need so that arch of materials would cost us 2,700 and under Arch 4 every year we know we come back um or every other year sometimes look looking for additional technology it's constantly changing and evolving and it only lasts a certain amount of time so we will be looking to get um our instructional staff and our administrators new

086laptops we have an opportunity to get an $86,000 rebate which is great because I had this number much higher initially so with the rebate we'll be able to we're asking for 221,000 to fill that need and then some infrastructure that is also um new need at 231,000 total so I know that's a lot to digest questions that and we're happy to answer questions as best as we can so obviously this is uh some some tough numbers but this is uh just a beginning um but that being said uh do people have uh any initial questions thoughts comments the numbers are concerning that's I'll start there any specific ones or just all of them um I mean all of them generally it's a 7.37 for service budget is I mean I think that's the highest level

087service budget I've seen since I've been on the committee does that sound about right it's high I think what we're seeing in the masc information that we're getting is that across the board and many other districts the numbers are coming in high and I think what they you know they've mentioned that the increase in special ed cost and special ed Transportation are the main drivers of that um as we start to see different towns struggling with their percentages coming in those special ed and other fixed costs which you know those are transportation and uh M heat you know heating utilities and stuff like that that's that's half of the increase a little less but but you know sort of half of the increase and there's still big unknowns within within the the salary line too

088and and I think obviously as we get closer to um knowing where our budget would be appropriated for next year that's at town meeting um that's gets us into May um we would then have to determine we're looking at some layoffs that's that's the bottom line but hopefully we'll come up with some Creative Solutions before we get to that point and be able to narrow that down with some Creative Solutions but it's ultimately I mean where we are right now those numbers are what we're res I mean we've been having conversations on the town side looking for for create a solution some some some ideas but on the town side it's a really tough budget Year too I mean you know I know that the the select board had a day of reviewing their um

089their budgets and the finan commes in the process but uh we are running into some significant headwinds on the town side as far as just tax revenue goes uh New Growth was uh at a five at least a 5year low but actually probably one of the lowest uh New Growth numbers that I can recall ever seeing in the past 12 years that I've been in town government um the there was a sort of a clawback from some uh challenges to increases and some large increases um that that happened last year that helped uh fund some things but now was a headwind so the town is itself looking at an $800,000 headwind kind of from what it normal would have been and then other cost increases are just significant we're sending a lot of more students

090to to ke Tech uh we have you know health insurance costs are never easy but they're going up um see what else I just so I think the town right now putting in even us at one at 3.25% I think is in the one to$ one.5 million deficit right now before sort of cutting things back and so you know where do they find that a lot of it is probably be found in in the capital set aside which obviously has negative implications for some of the things that we're trying to do um it's a really really tough budget year overall and combined with the fact that we wrote the letter to our to our State reps uh you know with our Chapter 70 number coming in at 0.9% uh that certainly does not does not

091help the situation um yeah Lisa um I think it's important to note on the bcba that um a big part of their responsibilities are doing fbas which are if if those are part of a child's IEPs we have to do them and we pay a lot more for those yeah um if we have to do them through contractors so that cost seeing the number of what it would cost to hire a bcba isn't you have to take into account that there is some cost savings there too you're right we would have to pay hourly at a very high rate and so yes adding at a time when we're struggling is not ideal but we would be paying either way and a much higher number to get those done cuz it's Lally o and they don't

092know the students so they have to spend even more time with them because they're not within the [Music] district anything else right now obviously it's well I feel strongly we need the bcba so whatever way that we can continue to do that we should so the process here is that we have about a we have about a month little more than a month before we present uh uh the school committee recommended budget to the finance committee so over the next month we'll be working on trying to sort of hone those numbers obviously there are a lot of different factors that could change those numbers um and once we then present our recommended budget to the finance committee that thing kicks off another month of continued kind of conversations and negotiations and uh trying to sort

093of figure it out to to get to uh to to where we need to be at town meeting but um we also need to start thinking about dates for um office hours uh at least three or four different dates probably in March usually we do March right may maybe one in April so we really probably when we talk when we get to Communications tonight maybe we can start picking some [Music] dates we're supposed to present our budget do a budget hearing we need to do a budget hearing first week of April I believe first meeting of April I believe it's going be first meeting in April I think that might end up being after the finance committee presentation but yeah it's going to be like April April 4th I think that's right um so we

094usually try to have like three different before then of course we can have some after but we do typically have like three and I think this year they're going to be a lot of questions I mean you know it's uh and look a lot a lot can change uh we're having some constructive conversations uh with with the teachers union um but you know there's there's still a lot of work to be done um but you know big unknowns [Music] um we don't have to find a solution but obviously um yeah and what about Capital any specific questions on the capital yeah later tonight or we pull it up now if you want to do it but we we should Bas so the schedule is the I think the um capital subcommittee of the finance committee's

095meeting next week and asked for our our Capital number so uh Dr kuster presented her recommended Capital number um we can I think it would be best if we voted one again this is still going to go through the process based upon how much money they end up having or allocated to Capital say we should probably prioritize that list as well in the sense that if they have to actually end up using capital for y I just I just thought you guys hated the priority Choice I'm saying we should prioritize should that you never mind you know what I meant um we can prioritize for us what's that would they just say what they could afford they can but then we need to prioritize our number I'm not asking the finance committee to prioritize I'm

096asking for us I understand the finance committee used to ask the school committee prioritize things anyway um go forward with this so so prioritize at a later date capital is slightly different also than than obviously the operating budget because uh the the town doesn't get to just choose a number for us and then we spend it how we want that it's actually on the just given the where we're at if we're suggesting that we would be taking that one of the levers would be to take whatever we you know allocated for capital projects and saying we need to put it into I mean if that's even an option no no I don't think that's the the that's the town is talking about how they allocate the sort of the town's funds and how much they

097they're going to be able to put into Capital set aside yes that's not that impacts Us in an indirect way yes so I mean I I they might say we're only going to give you 250 this year instead of you know whatever is we're last year 480 right so I don't think we need to prioritize right now no I'm saying you should you should be I guess the question I would have is just right now people as they look at this see anything that they disagree with being on our list of capital re bus I think I think that's this has gone through budget too no I can I just ask quickly like are the laptops is that every year like no why is it this year so much admin ones were like four or

098five years ago the current laptops the current staff laptops are four years old so they're really getting at their end of their lives I mean they they they're opened every day they're carried everywhere they're not a stationary device any longer so they're they're reaching the end of their physical life anyway for sure um the other piece is again we had the we have this remaining ECF funds those were that was part of uh Co money um from federal government for emergency connectivity fund and so it it's helping us to you know helped us during the covid years now this is the last end you know the last bit of it we have to receive these devices by June 30 if they are not in hand we can't get the money so um you know if

099we turn this down now we'll be back in the fall but without the 86,000 um so I should have mentioned that the the the budget subcommittee has voted to recommend this all these Capital items we haven't put a prioritization list but we can certainly work on that the one thing I also say about the the laptops that uh I had asked Dan about is these are actually two in ones so they fold over to become sort of tablets so teachers then have the ability to be more Mobile in the in the classroom itself and bring the laptop around and so there's it's a it's a value add in in that sense as well I think they're about $1,071 and our a rebate would be $400 per which is a really substantial reate and and so

100our request was to to vote on the capital pieces tonight and I hear you on the prioritization I think we're going to attempt to have at least two budget meetings before we come back on March 14th um and we can do a preliminary run at prioritization and then make the case for that before the March 14th meeting too um but are there are there additional questions you have on maybe some I mean some of it has a lot of it actually was presented both by Dan and Joanie back in right in January earlier this year here um and some of those prices we were still floating then but we've done the work in budget subcommittee that we feel like we're ready to present this to you with these and and the other things that we

101we've looked at is we've looked at the uh the playgrounds uh We've looked at the track um what were the other um always' had discussions about about both the Adam group and the subse work still I mean we have covered a lot we have covered a lot and so for like the track we have you know sort of funds that you know sort of have been built to to pay for to replace the the the track and papay for other athletic things that we think can cover that um the the playground similarly so um uh and the playgrounds still we're working and so it still being work in progress but it hasn't been forgotten that was a big topic of of conversation and concern so we're we're that is on our radar and being addressed

102uh the high school the wall out not the auditorium wall but the the wall outside the High School Mr has been updating us has been pinned to be structurally sound and we just got bids in and we're to to actually have the the water um proofing done or or fixing of of the those leaks um so um there are other things that are outside of this that are getting done and and being addressed they're not falling off um the one thing that that I think correctly was was is not on this list but is something that could come up is is the auditorium lighting um the problem is it's a huge ask a quar million dollar ask and if we're still moving forward with an SOI it it it becomes one of those things how

103much money do you put into into a building that may not be there if we can't take it with us right some of that stuff I think we could I think that we the most expensive thing which would be the dimming racks would be built for that particular application so the likelihood of to be moved or moved easily would be you know not be worth it truthfully mhm and at this time we feel like we need to prioritize the curriculum needs right right so no I just I don't want to be clear I'm I I don't disagree with any of things I'm just thinking like as I'm looking at those big numbers that you know yeah it's it's important point and we'll definitely look at it and also we had a conversation with ke Susan

104about Dr about um the current laptops because you know they're getting old and towards the end of their life but that doesn't mean that they're useless especially if you rebuilt them and whatnot and so there are other individuals in the building who have either Chromebooks or something else that these those could be repurposed for um but that yes but they are at the end of their life and they would need new batteries and and everything I mean we haven't they're not just going to go in the scrap he I mean we we we we there's a further Story coming you know Dan's been investigating whether or not the company may want to buy them back from us and and then obviously then lower our $220,000 so it's again this is ongoing we just need to

105kind of put a stick in the ground for here and keep going so okay more do you need us to vote is this what you're looking for so technically this is under the the budget so just to be clear it's on the agenda um but uh so if we could if I could uh if if you are willing to I would uh entertain a motion uh to take the the school committee's recommended uh Capital request of 481 $100 uh for um curriculum needs as well as laptops and techn other technology by Cynthia second all in favor carries 7 to zero with mini now joining us a while a while ago but nice um wow zingers all around it's facts any other questions about but anything that the committee would like the the budget subcommittee to

106to look at or or or consider any kind of I I know sometimes you know anything you can do to take us off the hook big sale b s yeah you could use them for that for Capital but you you can't raise uh money like that and use for operating operations so I know I meant no thank you guys well I thank you to uh you know Dr Kusa and and Mr Bay because they uh put in a ton of time on us too so much more uh to come on the budget for the community so don't uh okay now all right but we have uh well Mr list who is uh the wrong name tag in front of him right now but uh that's all right here I assume this is the next yes

107this is our next presentation and this is something that um I know the asked Mr L to come and talk about um and so he's willing to just share um presentation on an idea that you had requested on a schedule potential for the high school Under the agenda from the agenda I didn't share yet okay thank you principal list for being here thank you all for having me um think like three times in a row uh always flyer you come back every time yeah so um as I said three times in a row and that's because you know the first time I got to talk about the neas report uh the next time was about um sort of of you know the mid year report um and now here on the schedule and I think

108you know gratefully so it was requested uh to to understand more about the challenges that exist uh within our current schedule uh because it was very clear in the equity audit uh very clear in the nas report that uh we have some challenges to address and so um you know it was asked by me at the last school committee meeting to um sh share those challenges that exist within the schedule um and what would be the impact of switching uh to an an AB schedule um what that would mean um is that right now our classes run every day it's four periods a day what this would be is a a day four classes in different classes on a bday uh four classes um would run so uh that's so we ended up here for

109three times interrupt so uh what I wanted to do is give you a just a visual of what these schedules look like um look at the benefits and challenges of of both of these schedules and then talk about um as requested the sort of impact of making a switch at this time uh so and sort of all of this is is under the the piece of what is is what is Equitable um and supports the needs of students and teachers uh and that's really what the the equity audit and the naal cour assets that uh kept sort of bringing up over and over again is is equity under under the lens of equity of experience uh Equity of access um and um Equity of supports for students so that that's really where this comes from

110and uh that's sort of the the question this guide to this work uh right now on the on the left side is our current bell schedule um and then on the right is a is a possible AB schedule um really dsb can move anywhere in there but it I just put it right at the start of the day um but again that would be eight blocks three lunches um it it's very much the current high school schedule just an AB day um it's run by a few schools um in the area um but uh this would be sort of the the the hollison version of it so just looking at the you know there are obviously lots of different reasons that people like schedules there there is no perfect schedule um but um you know

111it has four classes um just thinking about sort of the the stress we talk about on students um and only having four classes to take um students will tell you they really like that um you know when we look at uh the current schedule uh any any study you read block schedule is talks about deeper learning um that exists time to build a relationship because you meet every day um there is some flexibility in the schedule because classes run one two and three different terms three quarters what you'll notice is that some of the benefits of these are also some of the challenges of these too um and so you see they run three terms um you do have students have the opportunity for more coll for collaboration time in Block scheduling um teachers have

112time for collaboration um and then the remediation opportunities that exist because you can take a class a second time so you doesn't work out first semester you could in theory take it second semester um you know retake that class and just the time the teachers have planning for the the four the three classes that they currently [Music] teach uh challenges uh continuity of learning um as the NEOS report said the equity audit said when you look at our classes uh if you take uh French too you be a year before you take French trip uh there's just a lack of continuity there um same thing for for for ELA for for Sciences you could run into that issue um so there really is and we recognize that and I will say um honestly the the

113staff also recognizes those challenges that exist um and uh an absentee is a issue so if you think about a block schedule you miss one class technically that's two classes um and so that that is something that that needs to be talked about uh covering the curriculum I mean you're when you're talking about limiting days anytime you're doing that you don't have the full access to days um and and um understanding uh we need a better understanding of of how we use the the time um to see how make sure we're covering all the curriculum if you look at our math curriculum right now and our math department it you know it takes like algebra one part one and part two so it takes the entire year there so that that's that's a challenge that

114exists Mr list to your point can I just add like an example like if you're missing two classes for one so if you were sick for a week you'd Miss 10 classes versus spreading it over the years right um access to to Fine Arts Performing Arts the way the schedule's built now you have four glasses so you know you fit everything and as a freshman and you put everything in there's not a lot of options there um and then on top of that for Performing Arts um the the banding chorus exists within dsb which is supposed to be supported uh supports for students so how are you get to make a choice um and yes schedules are full of choices um but again when we think about Equity of access an opportunity that doesn't exist

115um with with with this schedule special education services same kind of thing um if you are assigned during DSP then you don't get to go to other teachers during DSP you don't get access to Bandon chorus Equity of access Equity of opportunity those pieces there uh TI to intervention supports um one of our Focus this year at the high school is to really understand what supports we have in place for students and you look at the schedule any any schedule that's just four classes and you're filling those where do you find time for tiered supports right you have dsb go for extra help but where can we find time for other supports for students um both outside the class inside the class they're just where does that fit um students who need sort of higher

116level of those the tier two supports where does that fit in and so that's really an issue that we face um scheduling conflicts as you know we have classes that run one term classes that run two terms classes that run three terms when you think of that as a visual as a puzzle it's like a game of tetras like where did where did those classes fit um and so you end up with scheduling conflicts um and then uh you know I think hearing from from staff and from students a lot of times like it's a long time 77 minutes is is is is becoming a struggle for students to focus um for that time so the ab schedule with an AB again you're you're you're not stopping Midway through the year to them start a

117new so you can have access to something like bander chorus because it runs through throughout the year just every other day um so it moves those from that space um again uh when you look at um uh what studies look at block scheduling they talk about the complexity and depth of activities and and deeper learning that exists within block scheduling General um and uh you know the the relationship building yes that exists on the everyday but when you have it for the year you're able to think about that stretched out even longer for students um and so that the flexibility and learning again the eight classes because they operate on every other day you have you have more opportunities that you you don't run into um some of those scheduling conflicts that that exist um

118you also have some of those um flexibility in terms of your classes run you don't have you don't have like one two three term classes you have still you have semester classes I know this is confusing which were like one term classes those become full and then you have full year classes so there's no three term classes so and I apologize it's confusing but it's uh took it's taken me a long time to wrap my head around it being new um but you you eliminate that third term class and it spr it spreads it out to sort of uh what what a schedule would look like sort of in most districts uh it terms of semester classes and year-long classes and I apologize I was really confusing for that um you know when you think

119about balanced workload you have every other day um and so you're talking about time built in and balance over that time right now um you know you could have four really intense classes one semester and not sub the other semester here you can look at some balance over different days um as well and um the tier intervention supports again because you're running eight classes at that time you can fit other things in because it's not like it happens later in fourth term so that make okay sorry uh it happens doesn't happen in fourth term you have need support first term but you can't get until four3 so it it fits in there in one of those periods um special education services don't have to happen during dsb and opportunities to access you know counseling during

120that dsb time um or throughout the days and and if I'm not mistaken for AP classes that are half year one of the concerns was that if you end it in the mid year and then they don't take their AP exams until later in the year this at least spreads that content out for the full year yeah it's full year it's a full year class yeah that's another perod to [Music] so what you'll notice is many of the actual challenges from the the our current schedule exist in our AB schedule too um you know one is that students now have eight classes at a time instead of four that's that's that's a reality that we we have to we we would have to address I mean that's uh a social emotional um well us when

121we're looking at um how that impacts students the absentee ISM issue like yes if you miss classes every day you know if you miss 5 days right now it's like 10 days of classes if you miss 5 days in an AB it's like two and a half days of classes so it's still it's it's still something uh it still is an issue um that we need to address special education services um it would move special education services like learning center learning supports all into the uh the the like a regular period class so you're talking about 77 minutes so one period of 77 minutes of support every other day and so that a lot of Learning Center um for students um the remediation opportunity I talked about before meaning like retaking a class if you

122struggle something like that kind of disappears because they're now year-long classes versus semester um again the something that's been brought up to me by students and teachers is is the student Focus over 77 minutes um and just teacher preparation because right now like something we'd have to think about because teachers right now teach three out of four per semester this will be six out of eight for the year that's so if you average 65 to 75 students you could have 130 to 15 students and that that's that's the reality we uh have to have to address um so I I put on the left there the schedule change process this is something that I shared um uh I think uh uh when I presented the new report um where I presented sort of our plan

123to like look at this um over uh you know the the end of the the rest of this year and the beginning of next year um so that that's that plan process there um and and to answer sort of the bigger the big question of What's um that was asked to me what is the impact of this change if we were to like make this change what what do we have to think about um and really we look at this is adjustment for students and teachers our students are yes students are resilient and they're malleable and can change on a dime but 4 to eight is is something that we need to think about in terms of of social emotional uh wellness and health for these students um you it'll open up the the question

124about like just simply um I I sent out an email to parents and I asked for feedback on the schedule and somebody's whole paragraph plus that they wrote me was that their student wanted more access to AP classes uh because the current schedule has like the three term classes which limits that and so when you think about the like an AB schedule you got to student take five AP classes six AP classes technically cuz they run that time so that that's just thinking about um that balance that we need to look at for students and again for teachers as we're talking about six you know planning and prepping and Grading for for six classes um what how does that impact our staff um that that's a big question uh as someone who's done a lot

125of work in scheduling uh Power like just the back end of getting all of this into the system and changing a huge Endeavor that um we we've started the work already and that goes through the you know the spring and into the summer um for scheduling and so whenever you're building a new type of schedule that's uh a major lift that I don't know I I've talked to some other school districts and um that have switched from block scheduling and that it's a it's a major shift that exists on the technical like the technical pieces not just the academic or the social emotional but the actual back end of that um one thing that um started to think a lot about when I was asked to look at this was about the course progression um

126so right now a student for example comes in they take Algebra 1 two ter two for a full year geometry for a full year junior year they want to take Algebra 2 and they decide they really want to take calculus so they can take pre-cal after their algebra too they then have their senior year to then engage with Calculus switching to the ab schedule right now we're not in algebra for all in eth grade so the majority of students come in at Algebra 1 that means the sophomore year they're taking geometry junior year is algebra 2 senior year is preu that that is you know that's it limits the ability for that course progression there um it it and we're also thinking about and that's that's it's it's a big decision to be made to

127decide to limit that progression um and again there are conversations that need to be had like if what if District if the district is doing algebra one for all in eth grade then these can sort of do there's some maneuvering that can exist in nth grade to then move it forward but that's something to address um and even looking at course progression for students who might want to um engage in in work uh and challenge themselves with work right now you can you know you could take an English class you could double up on an English class you could because of that two semester you know the the semester format um but that that so we'd have to look at what the impact is there but I do know on math there would be a

128huge impact having to understand how we even do math class and again because also it's confusing right now a student gets 180 days of 77 minutes a day of math in freshman and sophomore year in an AB schedule they get 90 days 77 minutes so we have to just look at the the curricular piece of that and making sure that we're getting to all all of that content it it is a little bit unusual though because um typically they're not getting I mean for students that are math phobics we're making them double up on math can also be painful for some of them so you know oh yeah I just want yeah it's just a cover the piece that we have to to look at and it's it is unusual that kids get as much

129as we have right now uh but it would just be one of the it Dr C right it's unusual that what they get right now comparatively um things like graduation requirements we'd have to spend some time looking at the impact on these classes and how that I I don't know the answer to be honest I I don't know what happens to um graduation requirements again the technical impacts um also just stakeholder Buy in U making sure that the the voices are heard of the community the students uh really the students they're why we're all sitting here um making sure that they have time to to feedback understand what the impact is um for them uh again going back to teacher and student preparation making sure that teachers and students are prepared for whatever shift it

130is um that that might happen uh resource allocation I just again I I we haven't built the schedule so I don't know it wouldn't I don't know what it does to you know to what we need for labs what we need for books what we need for for for classes I I just don't know the answer to that um and then I would say is like the potential for reversion um you know if we don't have stakeholder Buy in necessarily just being aware that if uh you make a change and it it goes poorly people tend to go back to what they felt comfortable with and really fight for that and you know would people say okay well this isn't working but we really just want to go back to what we had and then

131we are then again facing the challenges that I talked about earlier so that that's that would be one that would be the you know the possible impact [Music] there and so what I'd say is at the end of all of this like everyone acknowledges there are challenges that that's that's the reality like everybody acknowledges there are challenges and we have to address them um and we just have to come up with a way to uh how we address them is through looking at um different opportunities within within schedules and within our schedule and what schedules might exist and um taking time to do that uh but it's really about our values what we value um and and what we want to move forward with and and really whatever schedule we end up with um whenever

132that is it's really has to be one that uh is is is done through the voices and and and and thinking about the students um and is really student centered um is around the values that we have as as a school system um and one that supports the needs of all like the neas report and Equity audit all said we need to do um and so uh I apologize for talking quickly but uh that that sort of uh tried to sort of give an overview of the schedules and then what that you know answering that question of what an impact to the ab schedule would change at like right this second so I'm happy to answer any questions anybody might for minute oh you I was just going to add so I mean I think

133you know now we've heard this well personally I mean I've dealt with um in other High School settings block scheduling U came about many many many years ago in many districts I moved away from it for a variety of reasons um not necessarily fitting the needs of today's students I haven't dealt with one that is the um schedule that we have which is a half year half year of the three terms I've always had the day on day off which is still not ideal um I think the reason we're having this conversation now is we're hearing from the community we have the equity steering committee we are obviously very concerned with the inequities that we we we many of us knew we're there but now it's staring Us in the face so we have to

134decide what is it that we want to do now I think if we had um the time like we we need to go through and work as a team to develop the best schedule which is never going to be perfect time is not on our side right now if we want to deal with some of the inequities for next year it could be done this schedule is close enough as far as not modifying the contract language and and you know being able to manage the needs of um planning periods and and student needs and things like that so we could do this is it a good time is it urgent enough for the inequities that we are trying to address with some of these changes that we want to make this change for next year

135um if we did I suspect that if we decided that this would get us some of the inequities addressed for next year and then we still would want the whole year to go through and see if this is the real schedule we get into I suspect this would not be the permanent schedule regardless of whether we tried to do this could be a you know onee potential change um but it may not be the final change either way all right I'm going to try to be quick um but I have to talk about math as you did a lot right now we're in Algebra 1 and e8th grade for none School District we do not offer a full algebra course in eth grade which would mean that if you were to go to this next

136year and students were only able to take all Algebra 1 in nth grade zero students in the class of 2028 would take calcul rankings dead i' like to me that's a stop um it's going to have to force us to relook at our math curriculum and our math course progression and so that we can have a full algebra curriculum in 8th grade but we don't now we don't see that happening for next year so yeah and I think no I think you heard um principal Dr Jordan talk about that is I think something that we do feel for Equity that students should be getting Al one and all students in 8th grade would be better so right now none are so that means no calculus that's I don't know if it does it does it

137though me no it so it does I mean you were talking about doubling up like if people want you could double up on Geo and algebra yeah you could double up on Geo and Algebra 2 in theory it's yeah it it just becomes difficult it's not an easy pathway for students to undertake and um again looking at like you know we're talking about social emotional Wellness of students and then you're saying to you know it's possible take our students of like a current nth grader right now who's used to taking four classes and then four classes like you're taking now Algebra 2 and geometry at the same time and then does that limit their other classes I think yeah that's just you know that's just it's one of the impacts that that exists within it's

138what exists as I said like what I brought this for which really just to be transparent about what what the impacts are when doing this and making any change so I think too wouldn't it impact any of the kids who are currently at the high school who are hoping to take cus at some point like who are thinking I'll take and right there's a lot of kids in the building to do that yeah you can't take preal you can't do that no can you take geometry concurrently with pre-cal no no you could take geometry with L one if you wanted to double yes yeah you could right but they' have to the teachers would have to redesign the curriculum though because like right now geometry involves problems involving solving systems and factorings um but there's

139limitations to taking even getting through like algebra two or anyway like if you wanted to take three APS of those were all um three- term classes like you may not be able to even fit algebra into your schedule that year cuz you wanted to take an AP and something else you know what I mean so it's I mean there is no perfect right there is no perfect I think the the reality of all this like is we're not going to find perfect that's why it's looking at what do we value as a school and that's why I said you know like looking at this you know I did have a chance to talk to to David Jordan about like we talked about math and um why I asked him that question I asked him about

140like real algebra for for all or close to or not um so that's where that came up so it's really about the overarching values of the the the school and and the community and deciding um you know how that drives what work we do and keeping in mind I think you know the student voice in this too like a lot of times I I in my in the survey have for parents like there were there were some some comments about you know yes I get my kid loves it it's four classes but you know they're teenagers they don't always know kind of things and and and yes that's that's true sometimes but it's also they have to live it um and so we really have to have that voice in there um to understand the

141impact and to understand what what their what their values are in their High School experience um and and we and we do need to address some of those whose values are the Performing Arts and those who like I'll say it out loud like I came into the district was like you have a French immersion program but you might have year between your French classes right I don't get it like we know that continuity is hugely an issue like that's a challenge um we have to address that um and that's this would help with this would help with some of our special ed services our F and Performing Arts it would help with students that cannot handle the regression with the year gap between things like math and and um foreign languages I also would say

142that we had that whole rankings discussion and I think Mr list you sat through that with us as well um if this current schedule were the right schedule with our kids getting double math and then a year and a half in gr then our ranking should be higher so I mean the reason I mean so I think there's a lot of things going so there's no there's no right answer at this point I guess my point being is that we may want to minimally consider do we have an expectation around students that take AP classes to at least take one AP test because that is something that's really holding back um students performance this is a little bit outset because I know this was looking just at making a change to an 8 schedule why

143why do we have three term AP classes in in theory that's a year and a half of instruction which makes me wonder why our math AP test it helps it helps you get you your class with you know because we don't really cover a year R of material in a semester so one of the limitations of a block schedu so if you when the block schedules were really originally 30 years ago the big thing 35 years ago the big thing classes were between 80 and 90 minutes per block there was no such thing as dsvs really or the study H in there and when you look at the minute time on learning you're talking um about a thousand more minutes over the year than what our students get in like give or take right depending

144on how many minutes you had some are longer some are shorter so um and that yeah we don't really cover and science like science labs you know when you talk about like an APM AP Bio those some of those labs are there's extra time even in like so even in even in some of the block schedules that exists where there every other day you still have time where the labs take extra time beyond that even in all schedules you have some AP so that's and that's all schedules but then if you go back to our Equity audit right and this is why we're having this conversation um in the neas but if you think of a glare in inequity in the current schedule regardless of what we do moving forward the fact that our AP

145students who are usually our higher achieving students are getting a year and a half instruction and maybe our more needy students are not when they might need more so it it's just it's another inequity that should that's not getting us the results I think that we should be um here I would also say that you know when you are condensing a course in in limited amount of time kids also do not get get as much practice as they as they should and I think that definitely affects their performance because um the focus I think comes into play there because what you can do in a smaller amount of time versus what you can actually learn over a period of time because you it gives you more exposure and recall time I think that's huge so

146I mean especially I would say that would be true for 70% of the students would you agree that whether it was an AB schedule or or some other type of schedule we're always going to be faced with the math challenge which is digging ourselves out of this this algebra geometry basically we're going to have to come up with something creative to address the current students math situations until we get to a point where all kids had all of algebra well which right which is why I said like that's where those conversations where David and Jordan and I started to talk about some of those conversations because you know it's again goes back to the values that we have as a school district if our values there dictate that we want to move to algebra one

147for all then we would look at shifts happening you know in order to support as those students come in right you that's when you make that's when you make the shift because that's in the value that's what it all aligns right and this also is a good time with the fact that we just had ath curriculum review and we are hoping to purchase these new materials and train all of our teachers and develop I we spend tons of PD time next year this would be a good time to prep that change the following year but are we did we did you get a sense of whether we're two years three years plus 5 years away from all kids being ready to take algebra in eth grade that that we haven't the that so when I

148talked to him originally about it it was about my understanding of of what's current what's currently happening right because I when I was asked to do this um you know and looking at the impact I sort of started to look at well what classes can kids take if you do this and where does that lead them and what do they do and all of that so that's where I sort of learned about the structures we didn't go into depth yet but you know I wanted to put that out there because we have you know we do have the curriculum review we do have this the space and time to do it and um I think it's you know did you did you um do you have any Creative Solutions to get around the math tobacco

149in in this this transition period meaning whether whether it was AB or whether we moved to you know a six like a six class schedule or five or seven you know rotating I mean we're still going to have that math tobacco no matter what what are the solutions I guess so some school like so in Medway they were at integrated math so that was that's one way so it's basically your your integrated math one which is part algebra one part geometry integrated math 2 which is finish ing up the algebra geometry Algebra 2 in there um which then allows your 11th grader to then go to straight to pre-cal okay um and then seniors to calculus or students who are ahead that that's a huge that's a huge shift um and there were again positives

150and negatives of that too like it's it's that that sort of that's one option um but again I the to me it's not necessarily about like that that's the challenge that we have to face and like what do we care about what do we want for our students is is more of the question uh because that will then lead us to whatever answer that is um I don't have the exact answer as to what how we solve that problem um be because we haven't been able to have that conversation as the middle and high school and and what we want for our students and we just don't know what it looks like um I I don't know where the kids are at this moment in in their math and middle school I don't I don't

151I mean J you'd probably know better than I would I think ultimately there's no quick fix for any of us we would want to put together a strategic plan for whatever model goes into place for how we're going to backwards plan to get where we need to go and we also have to decide which are the things that we feel the most urgent about right now since we can't fix it all at once is it that we want to address some of the inequities right now is it that we want to spend all of next year being mindfully planning I mean there's just we we know that change is coming because we have recommendations so as a community we have to decide where are we going to start that process and what we're going to

152prioritize because we can't do it all and I know that when the equity steering committee puts their recommendations jelle told us there were 50 plus recommendations clearly we're not just doing all of this so we have to decide what is manageable what's align with our strategic plan and our vision for the next few years and then decide how to plan um how we get there and so this in theory could be a a sort of stepping stone this may not be the optimal schedule that that you would recommend long term I I would not make any recommendation because I haven't had a chance to really get student I mean haven't had a chance well my next question is where have you had I know you've been meeting with the teachers and and staff right so

153I met with teachers and staff I sent out an email to parents and the next is asking some of those teachers who were on the schedule committee to meet with groups of students and to create a student survey because not all want to come and meet um and to create a survey and send that out to really understand um what um challenges exist for students in their schedules um you know sort of what they value how they want you know what they see as their experience at the high school um and that that's sort of the next step in that um I the [Music] the schedule itself kind of makes itself based like I I remember the first time we changed it in Medway like there was it's like by the time you asked all

154these questions got all these answers it kind of just was there they wanted classes they wanted some more time in their classes we were at 53 minutes the teachers felt like they needed some more time so but the students were like I can't sit for much longer and so you ended up with this balance of like 61 minutes like it like you know and you know when you have 61 minutes where does that fit into how many period periods and looking at graduation requirements and what do you want for students in their experience do you know for do we want freshmen to take they have the opportunities to take some of the the foundations or essay writers are like what do you need to fit in those schedules um what what do we want you

155know I think when I think about all in high school I think one of the the the amazing things we offer are those like one are those one term classes um and so and I know I've heard from students from parents um from from teachers um um that that that's something they don't want lost that it's like clearly across the board one thing that nobody wants gone from this place and so when you're talking about those kind of things that's a totally different type of schedule so it it's got to come out it's got to be an an organic um process um that has all these voices that allow us to sort of put that puzzle together and again nothing's perfect um but you hope to um achieve the goals through the values versus like

156you know just saying okay we we think think 68 minutes is it like why I don't know but that's or we need 15 periods or 20 periods or one who knows um so hopefully it comes as more of an organic process through yeah so likely this is not regardless of what happens next year it's not a final schedule either way if we did move that it would address some of the inequities so I think that's why we wanted to talk about it with you um something we talked about um other nights and if we do want to address some those inequities for next year this would be like you said I guess a stepping stone there but we would have to have a longer term plan for we would go after that well and we

157really need to you know have those conversations with the teachers and and all the staff and and the students and and get buy and as you as you as you referenced up there because if you don't have sort of stakeholder you know buying then you're and I and I know that the teachers would be happy to talk to members of school committee um about you know their thoughts on it as I said the teachers have been amazingly um thoughtful um in the conversations about the schedule I mean they I I I will admit when I walked in I like like I you know you walk into a block schedule and you're like wow that's like Antiquated um and like that's you know because everybody's like making these switches from block scheduling over the past 10

158to to 12 years um and when talking to to the teachers you're really able to understand some of the values that they have in it and what they're B to build with that time but they also understand the challenges that exist and I'm sure they're you know and I know they're willing to engage in the conversation I they have been they have been awesome in those conversations um nobody's like you know sto and saying absolutely not we can't have these conversations they're really engaging in um trying to understand how we can best support the needs of students and uh you know and you know everybody knows you you how how this impacts World Language everybody knows how it impacts this like you know we can keep going down but as I said I I think

159you know it really um want to spend some time talking to to student groups and and understanding that impact understanding how it impacts students uh students who have IPS 504s AP not AP whatever it is like and seeing what that that voice is important and I'm sure teach teachers would be willing to have lots of conversations with school committee members community members across the board about the schedule okay thank you welome thank you two more weeks to see you again is yeah sure your schedule thanks thank you m put you in there for 10:30 I have four weeks my kids Bart fun like two weeks day after the day after no Sunday no yeah few days after Dan should we go to people here well are there going to be any central office updates given

160everything we've [Laughter] done very quickly was [Music] that I I certainly can hold it all right so do you want to do quick while they're breaking I can do quick um Mr Bay um Mr alord and actually miss orski and myself attended select board meeting on Monday night and they did vote to support our SOI for the accelerer program for the Rams uh roof which Mr mday submitted today I guess it goes my thunder but yeah sure I had a whole show and I do have the I forgot to bring it for you to sign for the um for the high school the high school SOI as well but we have that ready to go and I'll be working on that application as well we have time for that but everything's at least ready to

161go and then um I did attend the elementary PTO meeting yesterday which I haven't always been able to attend and I was very impressed with the large number of parents that were the a and I I heard that was a very high number of attendants so I just was fortunate enough to be there but I was pleased to see all the work that our PTO members are doing to support the elementary schools had round taes at Miller and I'm having one at placentino tomorrow and then I don't know if you want me to talk about we have the Holliston Coalition later so Amanda can speak to that in okay great Mr or I she took my the only thing I wanted to mention is people did not have a chance please check out the newsletter

162that went out last Thursday the teaching and learning newsletter we've had 4,655 views so thank you very much um there's tons of information in there if you have any questions please reach out to me okay um I do why don't you give the update then on the the co just because I want to wait till everyone get back dep so we had the co this is the Coalition against bias um met Tuesday night no or was it last night last night last year it was last night sorry I've been here since 5 yes uh Sarah was there me and Dr Kusa and um We are continuing to make progress as far as not only figuring out the best ways to sort of um group together the different organizations that are represented in that Coalition which

163is the police force um holl drug and alcohol commission um C C holl Town Administrator Town Administrator many awesome nice to share like what certain things each group go through and how we can unify those and find strategic initiatives and you like you know narrower Focus um to identify what those goals are and how we can work together to meet them thank you I'm sorry I another mup we also go for the rental update um do I don't know is there a rental update I put it on there no okay nothing to report um so now next all three are for voting's running's running Mee now this is great Sor down well I'm waiting for I'm waiting for Don to get back I'm going let Don run the the flag field discussion so um in

164the meantime Mark Frank in the me we can get Mark Melissa hi guys Mark can you hear us he told me it's very hard I can hear you I'm here okay yes um so I just say uh I'm going to actually recuse myself abstain from voting on this just because of uh potential conflict with uh the the library having expressed some unofficial interest in in in the flag field and we let uh don run this conversation okay Mark do you want to start or do you want me you uh you can I mean you know I think that we put the proposal out there before I've spoken to most of the members here I think in the interim about some of the updates just that the court plan part of a greater plan we have

165a an application into CPC right now which they seem very much um interested in I think we'd like to get someone from the school committee if if this group um agrees to vote in favor of seeking funding we'd like to get someone in front of the um CPC next week with us on behalf of the application um but you know I think that one a couple of the other things to think about are just the fact that during an engineering phase if we want to make tweaks to the plan that we have that would be the time to do it this is not a final plan that we have in place right now we're in a good place as long as we all agree that we have a good Baseline and that we are in

166agreement that something needs to be done there doesn't feel like the right time to delay this any further we want to get funding for it during this cycle as opposed to putting it off to get funding for engineering in October I think that would be the right thing otherwise we're probably delaying the project you know a year you know 6 months or a year or more so you know I don't know what specific questions people have about the plan or about anything like that but I you know I just think the time is right for us to at least agree to move forward to try to work on it together I think Mark I'll just say um this is Susan kuska the the students are very excited when they every time I meet with them

167because they've discussed it with me at length last year at the middle school and at um Miller when I have my round T inadvertently at least one or more students asked me do you have any updates do you have any updates so they are very excited at this possibility and I agree with you I think that we should I'm hoping that we can move forward with this and get a plan together for the students in the community and Susan is that the like this the council group that you meet with the round table okay so like 10 or 12 um I meet with about 20 something thing at the middle school probably about 20 or so at each group okay and Melissa did you have yeah I mean I think I was here just to

168see if people had any questions on the plan I mean certainly what we had and presented before was from um information from just you know the landscape architect looking at the site what can go there um input from you know Chris Perry in terms of track usage there what they need students what um teachers the Steering group like just kind of a collective it didn't just come out of nowhere like we did have input from the school about that and then knowing that it can be tweaked it it most likely will have to be tweaked based on the engineering and also we want to take into account as much input as we can at the same time you know we took down that where the town took down that building in 2017 so we are

169now 7 years later and it's just it it's such a useful piece of land to just sit there and it would be one thing if the town was like flush with with field space and we didn't but we aren't so I feel like you know it it just is a perfect you know marriage of using that for the basketball court a walking Loop some tracks some quiet space some outdoor teaching space it just seems like a shame to just leave that go undeveloped and if we can agree that we're all in favor of doing something there if we can get the engineering from CPC and then once we know the full plan take it to the town as a capital request we're still probably a year to 18 months out but if we delay this

170to the next CP cycle then we're even that much further out you know it just we've kind of kicked the can on this and I understand there's a lot of priorities in town but it just seems a shame to let it go any further and you mentioned I'm so glad you've done this but you there was um consultation with one of the track coaches yeah I know that Chris Perry had talked to like what do you need we need straightaways for like you know because our Middle School we can't take all of the Middle School track stuff and you know have it here but you know to not always have to be at the high school cuz as you guys know when the Middle School track is at the high school then it delays when

171lacrosse can practice and things like that so I don't know all the stakeholders I know um Dr kusco was involved but there were people consulted about what you know if we did this here what would be most beneficial to your um students and then that this space developing this space is part of a larger plan in terms of where the parks and Rex wants to go in terms of Goodwill with tennis courts that we absolutely as a district would benefit from because we've never been able to host because we don't have enough tennis cour so needing those five courts to have a true Varsity match take place we have the four there we have the basketball court if we are moving a basketball court to this space which actually too and Mark can speak more

172to this about basketball but this allows us one full court two half courts which we can't fit in at Goodwill because the space isn't there but then we could have the extra tennis court there and there is nowhere else right now at Goodwill to put a fifth tennis court we've done um work over there because of the groundwater um it you can't fit a fifth tennis court [Music] there seems like the reason you've been kicking the can is because you've been doing all of the research that's possible to do Consulting with everyone you need to and making the best plan possible um without asking from anything from us so I just want to say thank you very much oh thank you yeah and I will say from a CPC perspective like put because I've been

173on community preservation as long as I've been on Parks and I'm not going to give that amount of years but um it it always helps when we're going asking for the for CPC money because it is taxpayer dollars and we're very um you know concerned about where that money goes if it's a joint effort so having support saying you know School committees on board they want to see this develop to to take that step to do engineering it is very helpful um because then for CPC after the um commission votes on it that goes before the town so then at town we can say both schools and parks are presenting this proposal and that just holds more weight M and it is your property so there's that aspect too um so the original drawing that

174we saw when the presentation came in initially it's not complete there can be more things added and that was really important I know I I was able to speak with Mark Frank and get some of my questions answered but I just think it's important we have we have a track program that usually services like a hundred kids and even kids on on the weight list each year um boys and girls and we have a track program without really a track they get use of the track once a week or once every other week um and to do that you're putting 100 middle school kids up here and that kind of displaces you know other sports and activities that are going on um so I'm I'm strongly in favor of us looking at you know even

175if it's like a strip of track a way to do high jump long jump a way for kids to safely hurdle on that on that strip um I also I was able to talk to Mark a little bit about um it sounds like we could have lighting and power outside um is that you agre the only thing I will say is I I don't know the angles of the lights but I will say we had some neighborhood complaints some of the existing lights in the building we' had to shut them off so I mean just beware I thought the power part was interesting and here's why is that we have a robust drama program both the the middle school and the high school and one of the things that came out of Co people remember

176I think it was spring of 21 we had like chorus concerts outside while lacrosse games were going on I would love to be able to see the middle schoolers have that kind of experience especially I think we've seen them run you know end of Year celebrations where they've done it outside because it was still sort of the end of covid and we you know put essentially a dance and a celebration outside so the idea to have that kind of um you know you could put a mic out or maybe have the band or consider putting a play on out there I think those are all really interesting things that we should be looking at with this design especially if we're going to have some level of seating around that basketball um area so and outo

177classro area yeah better more The Outdoor Classroom area you know um the other thing that was brought up um the downtown septic design sewer projects um we've heard from James Keys talked to Paul S here um it seems like this would be part of an phase two or overflow Keith you may know more but it's not um we in talking to Paul last night at CPC even with the current design there would be enough um impervious soil I think you know that you can have this area but there would still be the ability if that um ended up happening in the same space you should be able to marry the two projects and they are doing some more engineering over there is my understanding yeah and I would just add that all of this stuff

178is is going to be best determined by putting an engineering plan in place any of the stuff that we're talking about here is we can all speculate about what it is but it's really going to be a cost benefit analysis that an engineer needs to take on in terms of here's all the elements we want here's what they would cost us to do is the town willing to make that investment I mean if it's a good plan we can pair it or scale it to whatever you know makes sense at the time that we actually want to go out to build it so um you know I just think this is The Logical next step to kind of make progress on this sort of and and obviously our Engineers would have to work with the

179engineers who are working on the um septic plan as well which I think Paul confirmed that last time was if I'm not mistaken that's a reasonable thing that they would be able to do do we have any additional questions for for Melissa or for um Mark Frank are we is anybody ready to make a vote on this I am okay um is there particular wording that we need to put in place yeah is there any I think um and Maru way on this too I think at this Point what we need is I want to say the we're blessing but the school committees go ahead to do the engineering on the because it is School site so um you know if we're kind of taking charge of this project so um I think it would

180be you know moving forward with engineering designs um to look into developing this site CPC f they could even I guess we just support of the support of the application I mean I know it's kind of up to you guys how how you want to support it but um you know we have an application in on behalf of parks and rec do you want to be a co- application like you know there's I do have some questions about you know how you want the proces to go forward from here I'm wondering Mark I mean I I've been working with CBC but would it be stronger if you if you voted to partner Parks and Rec to move forward with the plan to um I think do you have a comment yeah being here operational being

181here for a few years um I I don't know the current tone of of CPC you would know that better Melissa with regards to doing projects that involve the schools as I'm sure you it it before as you know it was roboton yes and that's the best way I can describe it and that was before you know going back when we did Goodwill Park we could not go to to CPC because there was a lot of restrictions around using um Community preser Fund Community preservation funds to create new park spaces um but then when we did the Miller playground right Miller yeah well that was but that was but the Miller playground was by a parent group not by the schools not by the school department yeah but I don't think no I understand what

182you're saying yeah but we could use funds towards it but I don't feel like that is so much for warned is for off yeah no I don't think saddle given that does it make more sense to for us to um vote to authorize parks and rack to move forward um you know application to CPC for I don't feel like there's a a big tone saying like oh if it's a school thing um it's up to you they can probably support or part to me that's just my take on it but I to me it seemed they they seem comfortable with that or how however you guys want to I think we're in good shape for it as long as we just have your support you know let's just they already done the application let's just

183vote to support the application okay I'm to support the application I'll second it okay all in favor I'm going to abstain um as a conflict of interest although I fully support it thank you okay thank you thank you very much thanks for your time um yeah if anybody will you know if anybody wants to come um to the next CPC meeting it is next Wednesday at today's Thursday right it's next Wednesday at 7:30 at Town Hall so and we can send that information out thanks thank you thanks guys thank you thank so much appreciate your time thanks thank you one thing I'll say is Lucy are much more comfortable um they are have to go over there um sorry reports from sub committee Communications we have not met okay PA Z we meet this month

184we're going to have to meet next month budget how many times have we met we met on February 28th and we met before that on um we just voted on Capital can we move on yes we just voted onal we really have covered um you know other than the update on the High School auditorium wall bids are in um for the next part of it and I think uh when Keith updates us later we'll go over that so yeah move on okay um can you I guess we'll go to the the school calendar thear can you bring up the the graphs yeah just my little presentation thing the graphs that say nothing did you a presentation yeah there little presentation in the uh I I did notice that my sample pilot schedule was still not

185included in the agenda that I just want be a to look at that's all we're not going to I don't think we're going to obviously it doesn't matter anymore because nobody wants to do anything different w w yeah I didn't think that the uh the I thought there was actually was quite informative well it's informative that you know it's like we're just we're just staying the course I guess that's I mean I that's informative too but you know when it's January 18th I'm sorry June and 18th and everybody's Sweating Bullets we had for don't want to hear it no I'll give you a fan yeah I told you so and some ice and some popsicles so um as everyone as most people probably are aware we did uh uh survey the community about potentially shortening

186February break in order to ensure that we were able to get out a little earlier in June um we looked at this as a between staff and parents and and it's totality so just put up the screen so we got 1,29 responses which is you know that's a pretty good response rate that apparently if people are interested in this to 258 uh from staff which you know is about 50% of of Staff 953 from parents and Guardians and then other I'm not sure who who those were but uh and so looking at the staff first uh you know they most you know 64% of Staff wanted to sort of keep the the the sort of status quo if you will um I know there are comments about some other options but you know based on

187what we were asking for and so I think even once you get to that I me you kind of stop before you even go forward but you know the the the uh the parent Guardian group a little less sort of uh were more sort of split but still you know 52 keep the same and 42 um reduce February break and then 6% with with no preference so you put it all together 55% wanted to keep it the same so I think that you know nobody wanted to look at my pilot schedule Oh wellow I view this as a as a strong anti- Cynthia vote and um yeah I am too I'm out bye it was an awesome idea we really have to go I think we have to weigh the staff vot heavier too because

188like if I'm a parent I can just be like it's fine I have plans for the Bahamas but I'll just take my kids out of school for those days staff don't have the option to do that and I think it was also if none of the surrounding that was a lot of the comments if none of the surrounding towns are doing the same thing right I need day here people that send their kids to private schools that have a March break I'm just saying like they're still there so anyway I think that you know we still need to have conversations we still need to have conversations about the calendar but I think that this is not going to be whatever we moving on okay moved mentally and physically are we trying to vote on the

189calendar in March March 14th meeting we need to vot on the calar should we vote on the first and last we I really that's really all you need to vote on what I would do though is that when when we have finalized we will come come back and present that cuz what I want to do is get it done so that we can share it out to the community but we don't technically need you to vote on anything we be informing okay okay no but people do like usually by March people know what the calendar is for the next year cuz they're planning and I'm I'm hoping we we'll be able to get that on the March meeting okay that would be the hope so there are seven of us here I did put on

190here revote of the H high school that's so I we would have to I guess reread the whole thing oh do we need to revote the whole it's five it is it because the the select board voted no no this was thank you by the way great that we got unanimous support from the S board we really do appreciate that no this was only because we we had two absent last time so do we want so you mean for both of them no because Keith Keith already had to uh submit the um the the roof repair the oh it's just for the so we could do the high school does it change you think it strengthens the application of 70 is it worth it I don't know that it would matter un no votes I

191think that but because it was people we were 100% it's just that we weren't all here because couldn't be was was that and you guys just go on record as being sorry Lisa so I would abstain anyway if it had the thing about the eth graders of high school so it's better that I wasn't here okay okay then we're definitely not rebuilding it okay so um am I missing any we have no newsletter but we have to go back to our statement that's right because s is skip it I yes I did because I wanted to be cognizant F in room statement maybe we do convert it to newsletter and put our March um open our ours right I we haven't those hours I think I think it important to put it out tomorrow I

192wanted to about like now I personally it's a joint from myself and you versus your newsletter I think it would be a standalone and then yeah I think it makes sense and L do we need to add anything more so are we going to send reengage please I mean my my thought is we need to get those hours out we do but like let's just get the statement out like tonight I I mean I would like it out like now like I want to email it to Dan cloud and said if you could send it out for tomorrow morning that' be awesome I think we should approve the this statement and send it out tomorrow but I think Don's question is we should do that do we want to talk about right now dates for

193Budget office hours so that the three of us can have a Communications meeting in which we do a newsletter containing those dates right but then that won't go out until March 14th and those are all March dates yeah we could just decide office hours now and send out a separate okay just office hours I would like to find a way to put PA professionals earlier in in in the the it was in the very first line but then that was removed right so no no I understood but okay I just want you to be clear that it was there we make it the title yeah make this is going be put on letterhead right um well I usually do it through bright Arrow you know in the holl and public schools template that I have

194not on letter go through and is come from so should we just say the negotiated three collect uh threeyear collective bargaining agreement between the par professionals unit the are you looking at the one that yeah yeah this is the one with all the markups um threee with the with the par professional unit beginning name Teach professional unit that's yeah I think so toois Sarah can you not see because I'm are we are we all going to put write in it or is Lisa gonna write in it okay I'll do it I'll do it thank you and then I would like to reorder the bullets oh Jesus really yes it's fine but you can highlight whatever top first I don't care I think put putting the steps the cola some of stuff up front yep are

195you in here now yeah hold on she's in it but she was I I don't if all of us are writing no no I just didn't see her in there she was typing and I moving okay so um leis we just wanted to add it in the very first paragraph that it it has to say that a three-year collective bargaining agreement between the Holliston Federation teachers parap professionals unit beginning sept yeah can we just put let's have that in the title no let's just have that do you want me to do it yes yeah just so you do it bur I don't know how to type that's weird already has a yep with the [Music] oh you're killing me stop I told I'll do it I'll do it no there's got to be Dash is

196important she's dying she I told her really do she's the best of this I know that's why I asked please she's she's not going back to taking my suggestions f we're not putting that in the same sentence that's fine I don't think any need covering all pessure no we're taking it out it's after 10 yall get grouchy Lisa after 10 it's okay next paragraph your sugar fix you're good somebody give her can I just start can I start moving things around no swear to God don't touch it no wait just can we talk about it first I want I want I want we're doing the second paragraph Yes does anybody have an issue I moved on it sounds good yes thank you you can accept to change thir paragraph Does anyone have a any issues

197with the third par I do I need to accept accept the changes um I can do it when I'm going to clean it up tomorrow formatting on okay either one I want it as either one okay you can yeah let's clean it up now let's clean it up let's just do it let's just accept it as we go okay yeah but this is this is going to come out from the hollon school committee and the super oh you can put I can put in the head I don't I'm start I'm I know I'm sorry I'm going to start can I just give you editing privileges that no just start accepting prives okay um third paragraph going once going twice sold okay the fourth one is deleted cuz we moved it MH okay now we can

198do the bullets okay so I would like the uh the steps to go first okay where is that um do you want Dan to cut and past the bullets no NOP they don't want me touching it you're B from touching it like I am yeah that's a good edit then i' like the cola yeah that makes sense longevity bonus um let me see what I happen I think that's where it was then the uh RBT yeah I hate to admit that I agree with you it's okay me too when when you're right so often most people agree with me it's just de silent then i' got the increase in sub rates that's not quite right that we have to fix that the sub rate so the sub rate is currently 3250 I was trying not

199to be too wory it should go to 35 and then it goes to 3750 why it's currently 3250 and it will go up but it says by year three of the contract but it's not 3250 next school year next school year it's 35 it's currently 3250 oh by the let's do 35 next year from $35 next school year to $40 per day why is why why not from 3250 this school year that's that's what to $40 by the end of the contract how about 32 $3 35 3250 no $35 next school year to $40 per day about the regular compensation by year three of the contract comma which is an increase from the current rate of 3250 it's a lot more words than necessary but it works all right so that wa that should be

200four then longevity hold on which is an increase from the current rate rate of 3250 hold on let me move that one before you say the next one oh my God I just need to give her editing privileges okay where are we now so we've done RBT you want this RB substitute okay okay the [Music] longevity then referral bonus building the aons increase tuition and increase flexibility which is how it is still we have sucess okay and then I added the contract allows us to remain competitive with surrounding communities all of which have like halls and struggle to fill vacant prayer professional positions in recent [Music] years set up yes so how is this going to go we need a title we need to be dear parents Guardians and whatever we can I mean I

201was going to put it like joint statement from them yeah I she going to say joint want it as a letter or as a joint statement join statement cuz then we don't need to put a lot of fluff like thank you so much for everyone that's I don't know increased this is a piece of information cont joint statement to the [Music] community super like a year 20 I don't like how 20 is just sitting like that yeah 20 should be two Z not spelled out 20 no I know it's just I don't like it how it's just like stuck in the end there 20th year say so should the contract say threee with a three or is it written three okay um it's usually written okay it is that's fine I just want to make

202sure yeah it is let me get all this stuff out I gave you editing but it's still giving the suggestion yes yeah I can't accept it's dumb I actually shared sh edit but you can't accept changes I can I have to do it 10 you start okay so we need to delete all this stuff here hold it's okay next uh down at the bottom we recognize needs a space yeah we come on yeah the third bullet has something funky in it it's just I think it's just an edit that didn't get accepted yet um what is it removal okay sorry I might have just done that one I'm trying to catch them all as they go hold on yeah it just a dash we recognize needs a space yeah Don had that one 5 minutes

203ago okay okay there you go all right so um I will entertain a motion to accept as amended joint uh this joint statement to the community from L second by Amanda we're all clamoring all in [Music] favor thank you very much um with that I believe because we don't have a news wait do we want to say set dates do we want to talk dates now for yes we have to set dates we should um so let's do one Zoom one coffee Haven one coffee Haven let me do two zoom two Zoom one coffee Haven let's not do casy I would actually like to do I would prefer to do a cases honestly I've never done one of the usually no one's going to com okay hopefully the zoom would the zoom is going to

204capture people who would have done that cuz that's the E thing yeah or to zoom so what okay so the 19th is February vacation this we're Fe vacation honey we already did that so I want to be I want to be clear this can be done this can be done via email we we can we could you could send out basically a list of dates and everyone could respond to you with their availability on those little Doodle poll or something clear this is one of the exceptions to the scheduling isow I'm going just do that tomorrow morning you send it to Susan or it's not voting on something we're just no noing specifically that's what I'm saying we're allowed to schedule by email and then send something out to choose it's like setting up a

205meeting like we can do that via email or text correct fine um okay so with that uh we come we come to the end of our of our agenda I got to say iio you are are like I mean you know 1015 was got the timing down she's got the timing down I mean we're 9 minutes late but I got to say with everything that's pretty good that wasn't bad so um our next meeting will be March 14th uh 2024 um we do have reason to to re-enter executive session to discuss strategy with ref to collective bargaining or litigation if an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on this on the bargaining or litigating position of the public body and the chair so declares and this is really a strategy related like to bargaining

206with the hft uh specifically the teachers um so with that I'll entertain the motion to adjourn to Executive session move by which not return okay roll call Minnie yes Sarah yes Lisa yes Amanda yes Cynthia yes Don yes Dan yes uh with that we are adjourned for the night thank you and good night