001[Music] Good evening and welcome to the planning board meeting of Tuesday, October 7th. Uh first order of business is the minutes from the last meeting. Motion to approve the minutes. >> I'll second that. Been moved and seconded to approve the minutes of the last meeting. Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor? >> I >> three in favor, one abstension. Uh we got no 81 P. So the next thing is uh the amended site plan for 31 Front Street. John, you want to make your presentation, please? >> Good evening. John Dan out with DNL Design Group in Milford representing the town of Milford Highway. >> Um there's currently two salt sheds on this property. There's a wooden salt shed shown in red and another small quantit style hut right over here shown in gray. Um
002the idea is to right in here. The idea is to eliminate those two and do one large salt shed. The town's out kind of outgrown those two small salt sheds. They don't have enough storage for the salt. It has to be kept under cover for D's requirements. Um we went about I don't know six or eight weeks ago for variance for this front yard setback. This is Front Street right up here. The um current highway department offices and garage is right here. Uh this is all paved. The site is all paved. Um we're not basic we're basically holding the grades that were here. This salt shed. Uh they ground the pavement under the salt shed. They're going to replace it with new pavement. And this is a block structure. It's a temporary quonet style structure
003with blocks with uh the hoops on top with a a canvas cover. I'm happy to answer any questions about it. >> Just a quick question. Yeah. Can you go over again what the variance was? I know some on the sidewalk >> front yard set back here down to 7.15 ft. Um this already didn't make it, so it was just reducing that even more. So Front Street kind of runs here, but it's all pavement. There's a fence that kind of um runs right down the property line that kind of uh keeps the yacht separate from Front Street. >> Yeah. So there's not it's not like um is there a true sidewalk there or not? >> No, no sidewalk. >> Front Street is basically a driveway. >> Driveway. Yes. >> For the for the highway department and
004and business plumbing. Exactly. Yep. >> That's it. No, I just I listened to the ZBA meeting just to see what they had said and I just there was something that I thought I heard about the sidewalk in that area, but >> No, no sidewalks. >> The um >> you want to >> the build the building the proposed building is inside of where the fence was, >> correct? Yeah. >> So, it it was already blocked off at that point. So, >> understood. >> There's no additional lighting or anything. There's a utility pole here that has a street light on it that's reversed. So it lights up this section of the >> Matt, you want to go over your your >> Yes, babe. >> Oh, >> I just just for orientation, if I may. Um number 28
005on the plan, that's the salon, the black kind of dark gray building. Salon number 28. >> Oh, I'm sorry. On the plan I'm looking at. >> There we go. >> Yes. >> No, that's a house. Uh that's an apartment house owned by Benny Pinto >> which they have a little house and then 186 is >> 186 is the meat market. >> Meat market >> on Central Street. This is Central Street. >> The salons's on the other side of the bridge. >> You got to understand where the where the >> we turn our plans upside down in this. >> That's that's something we can change. I hope so. >> So what? >> No. North is always to be up. >> What are the changes from the original proposal? >> Bigger a bigger ship. >> Just a
006bigger bigger structure. Okay. >> Okay, Matt. >> We'll give you another shot. All right. >> So, specifically, the pre-existing salt shed is non-conforming in nature. Sites entirely developed and is a working yard for the highway department. proposals to remove the existing woodframe salt shed and replace it with a new quanet style salt shed. As as mentioned, site may alter some existing grades, but no extensive grade changes are anticipated. Site has no parking requirements as it as it is an auxiliary parcel to the main property at 30 Front Street. So, there's no parking requirement here. Um, plan to consider to what extent the plan addresses the following conditions. I'll just read each one and if you want me to hold it for questions after, we could do that. Internal circulation and egress are such safety is
007protected and access via minor streets servicing single family homes is minimized. Visibility of parking areas from public ways is minimized. Adequate access to each structure for fire and service equipment is provided. Utility and drainage for the land which site plan review is sought will be adequate and fire provisions meeting all applicable regulations are provided. Major topographical changes or removal of existing trees are minimized in abuing or existing residential districts. Effective use is made of topography, landscaping and building placement to maintain the degree feasible to character the neighborhood. It's not the case here. Lighting of parking areas avoids glare on adjoining properties. Any questions on any of those? If not, the board satisfied with the above criteria. I recommend a favorable action on this project. Okay. Liz, you got a >> I do not. >> Okay.
008Water department. Uh, they got no problems because there's no water. >> Sorry. >> Hopefully. >> Sorry. >> Christmas already. >> I don't know how to shut it off. >> Uh, the fire department. >> I'm so sorry. >> Okay. This requires fire sprinklers for the water service. >> Yeah. So, the highway department is going to um request a waiver from the state fire marshall for no sprinklers cuz the bylaw's basically for like a wedding venue tent or tent like that. This is just my question. Why is the sprinkler safe? >> Uh the only question I got was uh why not a foundation and sitting on top of a foundation other than saving money? Well, that's that's just the way the building's designed with the builder. They designed it with a block foundation. >> Okay. >> It's
009a double row of blocks, too. It's it's over four feet, you know, 6 ft wide. So, >> yeah. So, he may not even have to go for a way because the inside dimensions is much smaller than these outside dimensions. So, if they go by the inside dimension, it's going to be under the 7500 ft. I asked I did ask the fire chief that he said it was the outside dimensions but the outside dimensions are 55 of the corner blocks that stick out four feet at each corner. I mean >> it's not even up the tent. >> It's not in the building. So >> see the foundation is safe. >> That's right. >> 150 grand. But yeah, I know I No, I understand. But the four four in the ground and four up would be better
010better protection for the for for there. But I I do understand the savings of money. I I definitely understand that. >> Any other questions from members of the board? >> No questions. >> What's the pleasure of the board? >> Make a motion to accept the amended site plan for 31 Front Street. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded to uh approve the amended site plan. >> Uh any further discussion? >> Have one, sir. >> Yes. If we want to add any standard conditions, abide by all approvals and conditions of state agencies, town boards and departments, commissions developed in accordance with the approved plan. The applicants submitted as bill to the planning board once construction completed. >> Yeah. >> Three. Add to the motion. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I'm fine with that. >> That's fine with me.
011>> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Okay. Uh yeah. All those in favor? >> Don't run off yet. >> Who's second? Uh Marshall, thank you. >> Okay. Uh next is site plan review for Five Water Street. >> Good evening. My name is Mark Santo. I'm a civil engineer for Gra on behalf of the applicant. Is it possible to put an ad up or do you want me to use my >> Do you do you have uh >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Right out of the standards. >> I can do it electronic for the future. >> Okay. >> Do you have you don't have a stick? >> No. future. >> Let me just >> easier for everybody that way. [Applause] >> Mike's brother. >> Yes. Yes. >> Sorry about >> Oh my gosh. You're Mike's brother? >>
012You remember me? >> Yeah, >> I do know. Yeah. You remember me back? Of course I do. Yes. >> That's a long time ago. >> Back when I was down. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah. I worked with Mike nine years. >> I came in to see staff here. >> Yeah. >> Oh, he was loved. >> Yeah. Thank goodness the town had him during that the times that we did. >> Yeah. You know when >> we wouldn't have Cory Drive if it wasn't for your brother. >> What's that? >> Cory Drive was your brother's stroke of genius. >> It wasn't in the original Granite Park design. >> That's great. >> And and so much more he did. >> I I worked for the town of Graham and I would say to him, "Why don't they
013respect me like they respect you?" He would say, >> "Oh, he was wait. You'll get there." You know, he was big mentor to me. Yeah, he was wonderful. >> 18 years old or something, you know, follow in his footsteps. >> Yeah. >> 18 years older, you say? >> Yeah. I'm the baby of the family, you know. >> I was Michael, Steve, Mary, 18, 17, 15, and 12 years older than me. So, I was >> I was It came along. >> He was going to college and I It's all I know. We have something else. But I I didn't get to know until I became adult. That was me and my 10-year-old. My older brother is 10 years older. I'm sorry. Pardon me for taking us on a side trip in the guy who grew up
014in the trenches. >> Oh, yeah. We're not yet. >> So, we know what the lovely lady was for hair construction. Funy Caruso was a super. >> It was the biggest. >> Did she know Uncle Mike very well? >> Yes. Good. He's a great guy. >> Thank you. >> And this owes him quite a big debt of gratitude. >> I say he started off in the trenches. >> Yes. With with Sean Feld >> and Hayak. >> Yeah. Hak. Yes. I've heard all the stories and my my dad was a contractor so they made a run at >> at site work and and excavation instead of masonry and >> it was the 70s he was better off doing what he did but and so when I got a backho my nuts but so I'm a site contract
015>> we do both but I got my engineering license and it and it it makes huge huge difference in my site company without that we we know that yeah be quite the asset >> in these times it's not like the old days now you need to be an engineer site work >> to do site work you know what the small jobs but anything of size it's it's incredible asset getting there kid >> oh I I'm having issues I'm sorry >> it's okay why don't we go old school >> of It's pretty simple. So, >> I'll work on it. >> No worries. >> The only thing maybe I could do some help with is that I didn't bring the um if it's if it comes up. I didn't bring the um strap. I I have everything
016else. Why don't you uh mark >> right over there? >> Okay. Oh, this is this is five water street. I um clients bought this property. It was an abandoned medical building. It has an existing parking lot to the rear. The front is is grass at this time. They have been before the zoning board of appeals and obtained a special permit for its use. So, they have use approval. The the business that they plan to I'll get I'll give you a little background on the use and then I'll go to the parking. The business they intend to operate in this structure is currently being operated in number three water street and it's it's ongoing market. You're probably familiar with it. Three watt water street market and it's busting at the seams. They're very successful. They want
017to grow and move to this building. So, we've since the special permit approval, we've submitted a building permit application, been granted a building permit. The workers underway, but they got the brakes on because they want to get the special they want to get the site plan approval before they go too far just to make sure that they're not building something that they need to modify. So, that being said, we've done the parking calculation based on the the front of the building's square square footage, and I'll I'll I'll show you that after, but we I did bring it with me, but we have 20 20 about 2450 ft of retail space. And then the rest of the building is all going to be hallways, bathroom, storage, staff areas where they prepare the food and and and
018there's there's going to be a circular counter where they'll stand and and um and and and meet the customers and sell the food. They originally wanted to have some seating. We we throughout this process, we've informed that the seating is not allowed by this use and they can't get a use variant. So the seating is been removed from the plans. They accept that that that they can't have seating and so it's that's a non-factor. There'll be no seats inside the inside it. Um the counter that's shown on the plan that I'm going to show you is the dividing line between the staff space and the retail space at 2600 I'm sorry 2650 square ft of There we go. at 2600 square ft of square area of retail space at couchs to 13 point. So we
019brought it up to 14 spaces. We were able to get 16 spaces to work with the 24t drive lanes and some access areas to turn around. Gone through a couple iterations of the of the parking lot layout engineer gave some great feedback to me. We we moved it around, made it made it meet the meet all the standards and and it's tough with an existing site. I you know, if we had a new building and we're building a new building and I needed 2 feet, make the building 2 ft smaller or move it. But the building's here, there's drive lanes here, there's parking lots here. So, we're stuck with the with the with the site's characteristics, but we were able to make it work and and get the adequate parking for for the area that
020they that they intend to use within the zoning bylaw. I I understand the bylaw strictly reads the gross area, but by president you've you've allowed in the past the retail area to be the parking calc and that's the guidance we've got meeting with the previous town planner and the building inspector. And so we we we built that into the plan and and that's where they designed their their their building to to those standards to to be less than the 2600 ft. So at this time we've you know the parking lot's existing. So there's really no construction other than to maybe repave it, stripe it. There's um an existing green space area here that is going to be diminished a little bit by the handicap ramp and the these handicap spots. So, we're adding some some
021pvious area around here that we could landscape and we'll have a net gain. It's on the landscape plan. We'll have a net gain of about 15% additional pvious area. So, we're not we're not adding any impervious space and currently there's no drainage on the site and we don't have any proposed drainage, but we don't really need it. It's a very flat site. There's no runoff. They don't have any ponding, any any problems with drainage now. So, I don't see any problems because we're not changing any grades. >> I I think I'll I'll leave it at that and if any of you have any questions, we can certainly answer them. >> Okay. Matt, you want to go over your uh comments? >> So, my report is a little dated because my report was for the first
022iteration of this plan and the plan showed both properties combined with three and five Water Street. So, uh town council said that those are both in separate ownership by LLC. So, that's since been modified and now they're only showing it as five Water Street. Um the seating was also in the for an initial calculation for restaurant use and that was found to be uh not allowed in the zone. So, that's been removed. This the seating's now been reduced to 14 spaces per the 2650 square ft should be 13 and a half but add up add up 14 and they're providing 16 spaces. Uh so you in your packet you have multiple variations of the plans. There's um the ones that are loose are the are the most recent ones. They're dated October 7th today. The
023landscape plan was something I asked to be added to this where they showed the indigenous plantings which I think are all good. Um, I'll leave that to town engineer to determine, but um, obviously my report's a little dated, but otherwise with all the changes made, uh, seems to meet all the requirements on my end. Um, I'm just curious on Liz's end if all of her uh, proposed changes have been met. Also, >> I tried to switch it over to the other thing and now I'm happy. Um so the um the the one technical thing was the drainage infrastructure. I was um I was told that there were roof drains that were being replplumbed or something. Do we know where those exit? >> If we know where those are, I'd like them shown on the plan.
024>> So originally they were Let's see if I can get this right. Originally, the roof drains were through the center of the building and out into and out through the through the into the into the town system. Now, the the plumber did die tests and made sure that it wasn't going into the sewer and and they and they proved that it wasn't. Uh at this time they've they've rerouted the the roof drains to go outside the building. >> All right. Why don't you going outside with the drains or we >> So we we do have an option to tie them back into the to the drain system if if an issue but I think it's better to keep out of I just if they're out if there are drain lines outside of the building itself,
025I would just like those shown just for the purposes of me being able to look when we're doing drainage things. If there's a line that's coming in, it's just helpful for me to know that that's where the line comes from. >> That's that's my only >> Yeah. So >> they they would just end up being gutters going to the ground and I I could speak with the plumber and locate them on a >> they go down into a piping. >> No, just just onto a splash plate and and nothing underground and nothing >> Oh. Oh. Oh. Nothing. >> So they just they just discharged to the parking lot now. >> Well, to the to the corners. Yes. >> So three of them to the parking lot, one's the landscape. >> All right. So the only
026concern I have with that is that's an increase in runoff because they pre the roof drains were previously >> my I hear you. And my my preference would have been to put it back into the into the back put it where >> where they were. put them back into the into the drainage system >> and and I and I if that's if that's acceptable I I prefer that as a building it I'm the design of the building too. I I would >> certainly make those changes. >> I'm seeing ice. Yeah, I mean that's I and if not on this property on is in >> somebody's three water streets downhill of it and the back of the post office. So, >> right. I didn't think >> we did have a license plate do a die test
027and showed that it goes to drainage infrastructure, not sewer. So, we should >> And why would you change it? I I that was something that the previous plumber decided and I and I I was >> honestly we didn't discuss it until just now so I I I I wasn't on my radar but I >> in the back of my mind I I prefer it to back it >> I would prefer to see it >> well I definitely want to see it back into the drainage system or I'm going to need to see some sort of drainage analysis that shows that >> understood. Yeah. So, and I I would accept a condition that you tie tie it back into the drainage system by a professional plumber and >> Okay. Um, >> well, we would I would
028I would say that just for safety on the roof system, I'd like to see an an overflow. And I that's why I think now it's coming to me. That's why they didn't want to do that because in case it ever clogged, they didn't want roof. So, what I would, and I talked to the new plumber about this, they could put they could put a a in case they have unplugged, then it would come out. And >> there's a typical That's the typical detail that I see is is a um overflow at each of the corners. >> Yeah. And we certainly And it may not be at the corners because it's interior to the building, but we could >> do it like a, you know, somewhere in the building in a place that's not going to
029get hit. We could add that. Okay, then that's great because that's better for the building. And I I I'm I didn't expect that to come up, but I'm glad I did because that that it's been a lingering issue. We've gone back and forth as as a team. How why why are we doing this? And so this is that's that's good. >> All right. So So to the best of my knowledge, this is the latest floor plan. >> That's correct. That's correct. And and and it doesn't change the plan that we submitted to the building department. And this is the plan that the building permit is is based on. All I did was clarify the area by doing this hatching and and I kept this area with AutoCAD. So that to know that this is the
030area because the plan wasn't drawn >> to calc the retail area was drawn to build. So there's no good dimensions especially with this curve to for someone to be able to look at the plan say how many square feet is it? So yep that I can certify that's the square footage. And this is our our barrier between retail and and this countertop is something that staff will stand behind. People will come up, order, you know, either, you know, the owners here if if you need a better detail, but there'll be a cash register somewhere. They're going to be able to have flow of of of customers that would use this counter to pay for their goods in >> Yep. So, I'm just going to go back to the old one for a second. Sure. That's
031the old building. That's the building. This is it. >> So, this one. >> So, I guess the way >> I guess the way I saw this site plan was that this meat display area was going to be like at a deli, right? So, up high where clearly you're standing, you're ordering, and you're leaving. >> And I assumed that this counter was either going to be like a standard height or a stool height. >> Mhm. >> Um I didn't I from this plan, the new plan, I can't tell. Can you move the um No, theod the tripod. >> Of course. Um, I can't tell from this plan whether or not the counter is remaining or not. It's it's still we I didn't make any physical changes to the building with, you know, respectfully, this is something
032that is outside of the scope of the site plan review, but I I absolutely could sit with you and we can make these changes to make sure we're in compliance with zoning and work with John to to to agree that that counter is not something that people are going to use and sit on. Anyways, I I heard you earlier you want to make it higher and we certainly can do something like that. So you know what I can >> I I understand this is at the sort of outside of the scope of the planning board. However, >> your regulations do require uh parking calcs to be done by gross square gross square area. Larry has Larry has always and this board has approved it whether they were aware of it or not. Um they have
033approved the use of net square area only where Larry was satisfied that the the areas within the building um were adequately accounted for. So I believe in that same thought process he would he and and I like I like the way he approached it and I would like to see the board continue to approach it that way where if that if that has counter that people can bring a chair and put it at then >> it changes parking >> then it's then it's it changes the parking calculations. Um, >> she's absolutely right. >> And if the counter isn't there, then I think it needs to be included into the retail. So, I think if you and that's, you know, >> I would like to, and this is just my recommendation to the board, but I
034would like to see a floor plan that shows that it's going to be higher. Um, so that it's not a sit at counter. Well, what my thoughts were it this area here could be repurposed to be used better for retail space instead of having people because people can't sit there anymore. So they they could add some goods across here and and and you know what this >> let them be. >> Yeah. Come come come on up here though >> just so that the people at home the many many people at home watching me. >> So the idea was to have Yes. >> Thank you. >> So the idea was to have sitting but since we can't do it idea grab and go. So, it's going to be a display with a glass so you can
035see the baked goods. You can choose basically like you know muffin house but without the city uh coolers grab and go for deli sandwich. This is like people working behind the counter in a display like we have at the meat market. People can see what they want and choose to go. >> Okay. So, and entirely up to you guys whether or not you want to see that before you approve it. But that would just that would be my recommendation is that we have as part of our file something that shows you know display case along there instead of the counter >> and I suggest you condition that we and we would abide by that condition because it's their sounds like that's their plan >> and that's that's up to the board. >> Um the only
036other thing I had I'm going to go back to the site plan and These were things that I didn't feel comfortable giving him guidance on that I felt that the board really needed to. So, I just want to let you know that's why he didn't make changes yet. Um the I understand town council's position with the three and five Water Street. Um, however, the and I I'll have to go back to the old site plan. >> There you go. >> I always think it's AutoCAD and I can zoom in with the wheel. Um, however, you can see that these six spaces, >> there was another plan after this one. Yeah, >> where these were straightened. >> Yeah, it does. >> I get it. >> It's those spaces are accessible from this side >> once you
037straightened them out. >> Um, but I didn't understand what you just >> All right. So, the these don't let me see if I can find the correct plan. That'll be better. >> So, Liz and I are on the same page on this. I I originally designed this site to work with both properties cuz they own both properties as well but as two different LLC's cuz it's SBA and they needed that's how the bank set it up. So when we submitted Tom BL shop he read it he said these aren't these are this not the same owner and so we went and he got legal and they said technically two different LLC's even managed and membered by the same person are two different entities so they're not in common ownership. So, we didn't want to muck
038things up. So, I went back to just five Water Street. But the original plan does work with both properties. My suggestion was to put an easement, >> right? >> And and this had the same thought. So, it's leave it to the board to decide how >> and I'm I'm not sure that that you are all going to feel as though this is in your purview either because technically what's in front of you is five Water Street, not three Water Street, but I don't know. So anyway, the this this is the revised this is the revised striping on three water street which would allow these spaces well except for the handicap spaces I guess. Yeah. So there's spaces that you can only access from five water street, >> right? So, >> I'll tell you this that
039owners the the owners here and his intent is not to sell this and they do work together these properties and and and we could accept a condition that if one or the other ever sold that they would come back to site plan to make it work and I think that solves it too. >> But I think also because you're restriping three that really technically would require site plan review on >> I was just going to say what I'm seeing here >> wasn't submitted to us though >> correct this was an it this well it was originally but it was retracted because of the because of the comment because >> it was an iteration it was an iteration >> the the basics of it >> I've never seen this right >> you guys have never seen
040this correct so and under the proposal right now it's just five water street correct so >> so that that kind of muddies it up a little bit So you guys can make this that's what again >> our preference as applicant will be would be to keep five as our as our proposal. We don't have to do anything with number three right now. If we do restrict three we could come back with a site plan for three and and ask for approval on that before we do it. And so and and so you know three is going to be reduced in scope the work because the the whole market's moving and all that's going to be left is a small portion of it the liquor store component will stay and that would all that would work
041with the small parking lot they already have working so that we don't really need to add all this we just maxing it out. >> I think the board's in general agreement that we keep it clean by keeping this on just five. If they make changes to three, they have to >> come back for three. >> So, >> I'm done confusing everybody. >> Yes, >> this does go to um a concern I was going to raise, which is that on number five, the entrance is at the front, but all the parking's at the rear. Like, I was concerned that people might think, well, I'm just going to run in quickly. I'll park right on the on on Water Street. I'll just pull over on Water Street. and living in that section of town >> not a
042good idea but was bound to happen given the distance of the parking lot to the front door but so this having having shared I'll call it shared parking with three water street >> is more desirable >> yes addresses a concern I was going to raise >> so just to be clear and I don't really care which configuration I actually kind of like that one because then then it makes clear that those angled spaces kind of go with number five. Um but it would seem like um number three would need an easement from number five. Did did we already said that right? >> I believe I heard that said earlier. If if we if we sell one >> if they sell one >> they they both >> Oh, even so we didn't >> Well, I'll I'll
043say that when we just did the car wash on 109, that was a similar situation where they were both owned. Um, and we did not require an easement, but we did put in there a condition that if either property was sold, >> okay, >> that it needed to come back for site review. Those are both the same LLC. So that's why we did that >> that right. It it was a little bit different situation, >> right? But that as long as there was a condition like that, >> we I don't think we can cuz it's two separate LLC's. >> So we're just we really should just be looking at five in this case. And if they want to come back, as Liz said for three for modification, then >> Right. >> All right. I'm I'm
044fine. Thank you. Uh what about >> Okay. No. at the Any questions, Joe? >> Not at this time. >> Yes, >> a few. >> Um, I guess things have kind of dynamically changed a little bit. One of the letters is from the fire department. They had concerns. So, I guess my concern is we don't have an updated letter from the fire department right now. >> I do I did I did update emails from all departments. >> All right, great. with all the >> so uh all so all that would be fire >> building okay and the only other one is sewer department yeah >> and I know that just >> the grease trap was is not >> has not been discussed right now >> no we do have that plan was submitted though >> I
045mean >> we plan to install a grease trap and tie it into the sewer that's part of the >> it's just your it's the bylaw so they're going to comply with that as part of the building construction. Correct. I understand. But we're not going to approve anything until we get a >> letter from the sewer. >> Okay. Well, we submitted a plan >> from the sewer. You I understand you submitted a plan, >> but uh >> we just don't uh approve things without letters from the sewer department. >> And Liz, maybe you can refresh my memory. >> Isn't drainage and and the sewer isn't in the site plan though, is it? Isn't the site plan review about drainage and and >> it's and sore? >> Yeah, >> that's part of the site plan. It's a
046utility >> cuz the the the grease trap is outside of the building. So, >> yeah. >> I mean, I did submit that as part of the application. I don't know why they >> Yes. Um the Matt or Liz, refresh my memory. Um the uh excuse me the um proposed dumpster does that need a fence and gate in front of it? >> It should. Yes. Okay. >> That's why it's 10 by 10. That's a standard. >> Just want to make sure that >> tiny little thing but that's a screen enclosure. >> If you didn't have a detail um if you can just included >> in the past we've had details there. Uh Liz, can you go to on that same one? I think on page two of two with that with for um the landscape plan
047that's just showing a different dumpster location. So I just want to point that out >> that that came from the comments from the fire department. They they had it here and there couldn't be against the building. So >> Right. But even this one's like 10 ft off the building. So there's just some discrepancies between >> Yeah, that's this is the location. Well, that's the latest >> because that when we changed from the double site plan, so this site plan >> cuz that's the proposed parking >> the final plan. >> That's parking plan. I'm saying I'm looking at landscape plan page which is page two. >> Landscape plan definitely needs some updates. It needs a parking page reference updates. >> Yeah, I I I can only go off of what's in front of me. So that's
048why I'm asking this question is to be able to >> I wanted one of my comments was about moving the dumpster to the back because I wanted to make sure that we had space for these last two spaces to back out. >> Did we uh get a letter from the water department? >> Yes, the water department signed off. >> I talked to them and they did they did send some >> Okay. I read a lot of >> Yes. Okay, that's true. >> Yeah, >> I'm not done yet. >> Go. [Laughter] >> Um, so that I guess I just want to understand the the comfort level with that 24 foot drive aisle going in and out. Is that what you're getting to or not? >> Sort of. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I was going to that's
049so I'm I'm trying to, you know, gauge a level of comfort there, I guess, is the next question. >> That's that's the pre-existing configuration. This building is built. The site property lines are set. This is there's a parking lot back here. It's been used for 20 years or longer. And that's how they get in there and it works. So, and 24 ft is the standard for a double for a double lane. So, I I'm comfortable that as a designer that they can they'll get in and out of that no problem. 424 is the requirement. >> However, >> Yep. Go ahead. >> To Martha's point, >> typically if you have parking in the back of the building and entrance in the front of the building, you need to have a walkway. walkway. >> So when we
050did the one on the corner of um Cedar and East Main Street, we there were reasons that we didn't put an actual walkway, but they put up ballards to um give us appropriate >> Can you put up the interior building? They did give the owners did give some thought to give you the context and you can decide. Okay. Oh, so if if you look at this, so there is a door here and so anyone parking the back has access to the store. So even though the and and they and they also own number three, the people are going to some well first of all a lot of people walk. So the walkers are going people walking can walk in the front door. People that are going to park in the front parking lot are going
051to walk across and go in the front door. Anyone in the back will have clear access to the back hallway and into the building. >> All right. >> That's access to the bathrooms also. >> Yes. >> Everything. >> I'm sorry. And it that that doorway will be >> public and there'll be a sign saying you can enter here or whatever. And Okay. >> Which is good for them too because then people might use the back. >> Yeah. Exactly. No, that >> that totally resolves my concern. >> Excellent. Thank you. Is that a loading dock then coming off of that storage in the lower right hand corner? >> Yeah, down here. It's flush, but it's flush. It's flush load. There's no There's no drop. >> Everything's flat here. >> Okay. There. And then my another question
052would be any proposed sign signage out front. I know there is a sign currently out front, but obviously uh you're going to have you'll things are going to have to be reshaped for the um handicap parking. >> Any proposed signage out front? uh signage for handicap that they can >> uh your uh your your business signage. Excuse me. >> Existing sign here >> existing sign there. Correct. Which >> sign is this sign is can actually stay there because Oh, I'm sorry. The sign I'm sorry I I'm not exactly sure where this sign is. If it ends up here, >> then the plan would be to relocate it into this >> into this grass block. >> Should the the sign should be shown on the >> plan. Yeah, there is an existing sign. It's >> it's
053>> there is a sign right here on the ground, but we um I think we probably need a permit to put it somewhere higher because we can use this as a handicap. If we could maybe add another handicap because it' be easier to have more than one maybe or I don't know if it's correct. >> So, the um you can >> put all the handicap in the back because we don't have a ramp. I didn't have anything easy for the guys to use. >> Let's see if we if we can. Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I >> need that sign. Do you want that sign? >> Um, no. We don't necessarily need one in the front. I mean, something >> Why don't we leave it that sign will be removed and if they going to add
054a sign, they'll go for a sign permit because I I don't think that signs up is is is important to to their operations. >> Yeah, it's right on the ground. It has to go be gone for this parking to work and that's the plan. If it is, we know we have to something on the building. >> Those are mounted. >> So the sign will be level. >> So the sign is sign is planned to be building mounted. That's the answer to your question. >> Matt, do you have a kind of a thing of what you were looking for? >> Then you need a site >> on a sign. >> No, on everything. Uh >> yeah, I've got an idea of what possible conditions we could apply to this if that's what we're talking about. >>
055Yeah. >> Okay. >> What uh I think it should be part of the motion. yourself. >> Sure. >> Uh the ones I have so far is condition to tie the roof drains into the existing system by a licensed plumber. Uh plan submitted for grease trap needs to be signed off with the sewer department. Now landscape dumper dumpster, excuse me, the dumpster on the landscape plan needs to be relocated to the to the match >> to the to match the parking plan and the booking page needs to be updated on the landscape plan as well. Those are the three conditions I had that we discussed >> cleaning on the dumpster. And you say grease shrimp. >> Yeah. >> screening detail. Okay. And fire >> screening detail for the dogs. >> Yeah. So >> anything else that
056>> signage to be building mounted >> this this sign on number five? Yes. >> No. I would I would say no freestanding sign allowed without >> further sight. Yeah. That's difficult. That's fine. and >> and any change a sale with the sale of >> three. There we >> Matt doesn't I'm just saying Matt doesn't and I and I understand his point. Matt doesn't feel terribly comfortable with that because they're two separate LLC's. >> Okay. >> So I think >> Oh, too. >> Okay. I think I think the the regulation enforces itself. If somebody needs to change a property, they need to come before and do a special permit in site plan. So it if they change it, some whoever buys it needs to comply in the future. >> I had uh just one more quick
057question then Chris. >> So So again, we're waiting on sewer. >> Water is good. Fire is good. >> Yep. Building's good. >> Uh board of health we're good. So again, as we just collect all of the these outside agencies. Okay. >> Ma >> was >> were we requiring an an easement of sorts? I'm sorry. I'm trying to think back to that discussion. >> Well, that was an option. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> We're not I that's up to you guys if you feel and >> let Yeah. Let get this and then if they feel if they feel the the need for it, they'll come back for a site plan review on three. >> Okay. Good. Which will create an easement modified. >> I'm happy. >> Any other discussion? >> What's the pleasure of the board?
058>> Move approval with those conditions. >> No. Uh no. No approval. uh continue >> until till uh the next meeting when we have >> the information from the >> I should make the motion since I headed off in such a wrong direction initially. >> Dave just said no >> move to continue to our meeting of October 21st. >> So >> is that too soon? >> I wanted to actually ask the board about our next meeting date. So, I know we originally meet on the 21st. Um, I am unable to attend on that day because I have town meeting for my own town on that day and I'm a town meeting member. So, if the board's okay with it holding that meeting without me, that's fine. But, if we want to hold it on either next
059week or the following on the 28th, >> the following week, uh, we can. I know, uh, there's a couple of us that can't be here. >> Okay. >> Me being one of them. Okay. >> So, >> provide whatever written dialogue I can for the meeting. >> Yeah. If you can you can go to your meeting, give Liz everything that you >> Okay. >> I'm sure we can. >> Okay. >> Handle it. I don't think we got a a large agenda. Uh anyway, >> so still meet on the 21st. Okay. >> Okay. Uh, >> so we we made >> I was trying to, but I wasn't doing a very good job of it. >> You did a great job. >> Continue continuing the hearing to o to our meeting of October 21st. >> It's I like
060the first motion better, but we don't go with whatever you think. I understand it's constru. We've got nothing against the plan. >> No worries. You update update the plan. get the saw and then you're all set. Uh >> we don't want to hold you up, but again >> and it's not. >> We want to make sure we're covered >> in the town's covered, too. So, >> understood. >> So, uh Martha, your motion is good. >> I think I'm fine with it. Everybody else okay with it? >> I am. >> Waiting for a second. >> Continuing >> then I'll second that. >> Okay. been moved and seconded to uh continue the site amended site plan review until uh October 22nd. >> October 21st. >> 21st. Yes. Uh any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor?
061>> I opposed. Unanimous four. Thank you very much. Thank you. Good luck. Appreciate it. >> Get the cops working again now. >> Yes. We'll make you guys proud there. very happy. >> Thank you. >> Okay. The next on the agenda >> is uh street acceptance for Adriana Circle. uh engineer that's >> the um the the drainage was all accepted and the bond was reduced um to because the drainage was done with the previous town engineer um I inspected it um the only thing that was outstanding that I just haven't confirmed they did pge the um curbing but I just haven't been I know they did it but I just haven't seen it myself. So I'm going to go out there and do that. Um so I am recommending uh a favor that the board send
062a favorable to town meeting. >> Okay. Again if if it wasn't done which I'm sure it was we could always pass over the article. So >> uh subject to >> question it was done. I don't have it. >> Just Yeah. >> Yeah. And Liz, you're comfortable with asbuilt drawings. I know there's been I think some changes in along that >> maybe with fire hydrants or am I confusing you? Different one. All right. Sorry then. All right. >> This one This one is in conformance with the Yep. >> Yeah. So, as built a good >> Yep. >> So, and everything else. >> Yeah. You'll be seeing a um I would imagine you're going to see a bond reduction shortly here after. >> Yeah. >> All right. imminent. >> So, don't finish those remaining items. We used
063the bond to do it. So, >> it's it's done. I I know it's done. I just didn't physically see it myself. >> What's the pleasure of the board? >> So, I'll make a uh >> a motion to uh send forward a favorable recommendation for the Ariana Circle Street acceptance. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded to uh send a favorable recommendation. Uh any further discussion hearing? None. All those in favor >> opposed. Unanimous of four. >> Mr. Nick. >> How's everybody doing today? >> Good. >> The reason I'm here today is >> the name. Sorry. >> Nick Vori, >> East Coast Renewable Energy. Reason I'm here today is to present to the board the idea of putting car charging stations to ro municipal lots uh in buildings. Don't know what questions anybody has at this point
064in time. Um but I did present to the select board. I have spoken to um the police chief, the assistant fire chief, uh EPori um selectman Alus. So, uh, town administrator asked me to present to planning board to discuss charging stations, specifically at the municipal. >> What is it that you're looking for from planning board? Because I mean, we obviously do site plan reviews, but we haven't received any requests for site plans. >> I am not overly sure. I was I was asked to >> I was asked to come and get the blessing from the board. >> Right. So >> my recommendation would be that to sort of give him an idea of what we would expect to see maybe um on the site plans or what kind of >> we just what uh what
065we got in the zoning bylaws is >> right >> for the amount of amount of spaces of uh charging stations allowable by the amount of st uh parking in the parking lot. That's that's >> so let me give you a quick highle law as to what's going on. >> The state of Massachusetts through the Massachusetts EVP associate uh Massachusett EVIP incentive will allow um within the incentive money one dual port what I call smart charger uh per street address which allows a charge up to 60 miles an hour. Um my company will be doing independent cost which covers the infrastructure installation and equipment. The town would reap 100% of the benefits which would be whatever they charge minus the expenses that are incurred and keep 100% of the profit. Uh there are two types of
066charges out there that qualify for the incentive. uh what I call a traditional charger, which is something I have at my house, charges somewhere between 10 and 20 miles an hour. Uh I quite frankly don't recommend that. Within that opportunity, I can install two dual port chargers, which charges four vehicles at once. Smart chargers, which is what I recommended for the town to take advantage of. 60 m an hour, it's bigger, it's faster, it's newer. Um So, with the parking uh situation that we're talking about here today, it's only going to be taking up two spots. >> So, um I'm not sure that the municipal lots I'm sure not I'm not sure that the municipal lots um are going to meet the um town hall, for example, is definitely not going to meet its parking
067requirement. So, is it still something that the board would consider allowing the charging stations or So, Liz, thank you for bringing that up. I think the idea um for the charging stations at the police station, fire station, and DPW would be um what is called a level three charger. All right, that's specifically for those charging station uh for fleet vehicles for town. The idea of the charging stations that I'm talking about today is going to be for the municipal lot. So across the street from Sacred Heart Church, uh behind on both sides of main street if you would uh feno field um you know I know we talked about um the schools. I think that did not pass with the concern of lack of parking, but it would be more of towards uh municipal lots.
068>> So, Feno does have our No, it doesn't. >> Um just again things that I think might be helpful for him. um whether or not I know whether or not you're allowed to park a regular vehicle in, you know, signage allowing a regular vehicle to park there or if it's designated just for EV. >> There's nothing against the regulations of Bay Pocket. Yeah, that's that's the thing. As far as the amount of pocket spaces, if they go over the amount that we got in our zoning bylaws right now, they'll have to go for a variance. >> But the but the municipal lots don't have a parking calculation. So, but he's he's suggesting he's only going to be looking to put two in anyway. So, that was again just trying to trying to give him some
069guidance. So the idea really this is more of a test opportunity to see how it works because my company is able to donate it whatever additional cost the mass EVIP incentive is not covering. So this would be more of a test in different areas if they uh turn out to be really used within the town. You can always install more. Unfortunately at that point in time it would be at a cost to the town. Um, so we're talking about one dual floor charger taking up two spots per uh location. >> As far as I know the rest of the board, uh, every time we do our site plan review, we tell them at least put the conduit in for charges. We're proactive with the charging uh, with for the electric charging station. So, >> so
070as far as we got >> if if the conduit is there already in the locations then I could allocate some of the other money that is part of for the infrastructure. >> Yeah, but there's there's no municipal right now that have have the conduit in it. So, >> okay. It's just that any site plan that comes, we tell them if they're not putting the charging stations in, they should at least put the >> just in private lots >> just just to show that we're >> we are proactive of of doing it. Uh I got no other questions. >> I have no questions, sir. >> Joe Ma, >> well, you kind of actually already got to um what probably is my only question. Oh, I know. Um, just to confirm, does the does the town of
071Milford are any of its municipal vehicles electric? >> No, >> I didn't think so. Um, just a little early on in that. >> Milford is also not a green community. >> It's classification. >> I don't even know what that means. >> It's a it's a status in which you can apply for grants. >> Yeah, it's a something we >> We're a donut hole in Massachusetts. the situation though with what I'm presenting here. You don't have to be a green community, >> right? >> Um so that's um not really a major aspect, but I do agree with Matt. It probably a good idea for the town to move forward with the whole green communities. >> I'd also like to let everybody know that I'd be happy to be on that committee if you guys elected to
072move forward with that based upon my background. So, I've worked in two previous green communities and it's the tracking and getting your reduction down to 20% is insurmountable. It's absolutely impossible. But towns keep doing it and they keep throwing money at towns for them to get to their goal. You start at a base and you got to change out all your LEDs and do all your buildings first and it's it's it's tough to make that happen, but you keep getting funds for it. So, you get like up to 250,000 a year in your first year. There's a lot of grants and money for it, but mostly goes towards the schools, >> but a lot of data tracking and >> Oh, yeah. >> reporting. The report questions. Uh, thank you. >> Yeah. Just to be clear,
073you would would need to come with site plan review for the individual lots. I just wanted to be clear. >> Yeah. No, whatever ultimately um is approved by the town to move forward, >> what we'd actually do is we uh do a site visit. We sketch it all out. We bring it back to you guys to see what where we're at. Um the locations. >> Yeah, just you would just do that with Matt and I and then when it's ready for them to approve. >> At this point, um we're not even uh nothing has been identified from the town. The town has asked me to present to the board and go from there. So that's why we're here today. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Um any other questions? you guys, most
074of you guys know how to get a hold of me, so happy to address one of the questions. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Next thing is the general ber amendment for article 36 storm water. >> Uh so the this is something we have to do or EPA is going to fine us. Yeah. >> Um so the original so we um we appropriated funds or I appropriated funds from the engineering budget to hire a consultant to do the bylaw for us. When they initially did it, they had the select board as the um board that was kind of overseeing what I do. Um, and I felt like that was not as appropriate. Um, I had other ideas as to who should be. Um, but town council recommended um that you
075be the uh the board that oversees what I'm doing for that. Um, it really isn't going to be anything that you guys are going to deal with, uh, unless somebody is unhappy with what I decide. Um, so >> we become like the appeal board for your >> That's exactly >> who who who else was suggested that you report? So the the select board was originally um the um conservation commission could be but I honestly feel that this board is more um technically capable. Um and um I there there was some discussion about creating a storm water board or storm water committee. Um, but that would that's going to take more time than we have and we have to get this passed. So, >> it was just discussion about it. It wasn't it didn't go anywhere
076yet. >> Most of most of the heavy work is going to be coming through your department from the town engineer side. You will be the one that has to do take the assessments, make the changes, and then present those changes to presumably to this board for approval. It's really the same. So, I already do this work because I do it for site plan review and I do it for um >> for conservation a lot of you know if it's near a wetland or discharging to a wetland. So, I'm already doing all of the reviews. this um is going to change is going to make the the uh regulations a little more stringent which is because the they're making us um and but yeah you're from your perspective it's not going to there's not there's not
077going to be really any change I'm not a big change for me either it's just I have to I have to change the le not even the level review I just I have to meet new regulations How often do you see us reviewing these types of plans and for approval? >> Probably you're just going to you're just going to review them as site plan review. >> Okay. Other than that, I don't see you maybe a residential house every, >> you know, it would >> realistically these bylaws just they're they >> they just give >> more strict guidelines to the all these future site plans that need to be developed throughout town. So again, it comes to our comes across our desk no matter what as opposed to say the select board or the conservation commission.
078Just normally when you know Joe when you guys ask me are you all set with the site plan? >> Yes, I'm all set with the site plan. Are you all set with the drainage? Yes. That's >> that's the extent of what you're going to be dealing with. >> So we're hard we're hardly going to feel any difference at all. >> You are hardly going to feel any difference at all. >> I I definitely think this board is the right place. >> So one thing that this board does have to do is within one year of adoption of this, we have to adopt regulations and I assume the consultant will help us work. consultant h it's it's not we have to do it within we have to do it by the end of the um calendar
079year >> okay >> per EPA but and that's it says one year in there but EPA needs us to have it done um she already the the consultant has already given me the um the draft >> um and that's something that I was also sort of waiting for who was going to be my boss on this so that I could potentially um bounce some ideas off of you guys as a um as how the just my thoughts on how um how those reg rules regulations I don't remember which ones but one's by this is the bylaw rules and regulations um just the how how some of the rules and regulations so that's I guess within the next couple months I will probably I would probably like to talk to you guys a little bit about
080um some of the things but it would be minor >> and this has been vetted by town council all the language is good right okay that's all I got >> and with these new restrict new regulations if there's an appeal >> it goes >> then we they come to us okay >> yeah that's >> I'm I'm not particularly happy with that that's We're an approval board or a thing. But if that's part of the thing, if they want the planning board and we we can do it, we're going to do it. >> I think don't we have a history on this? I mean, didn't the town get sued and forcing us into doing this? I thought >> we always had a problem with storm water. I thought >> I >> no we had a problem
081with the sewer >> sewer going into the into the uh child river right >> and they that was all taken care of that's >> it's that's under that's under a separate >> it's under a separate thing acco um with the sewer department. >> Okay. What's the >> I I have another question. >> Go ahead. >> on section 2C. Oh jeez. >> How do we address I mean it talks about uh horse feces, dog feces and all that which is a concern. How about uh how about goose? Um how do you handle that? I mean >> goose >> like wild goose. >> This would so >> you put something in here or not? >> Well, we can't >> nobody's going to poop a scooper. But >> well, right. So we we can't the idea is that
082you're not allowed to have leave your dog waste, >> right? >> You're walking your dog down the street, you're not allowed to leave the waist there, right? Um and similarly, um I know that something that has been brought to my attention is that people are riding their horses through some neighborhoods and not necessarily picking up after the horse. >> Oh, you can't do that, >> right? So that was why I specifically added asked them to add in the horse piece, but it would it would really be domestic. I guess it would be domestic animals. Okay. >> It's not it's not for wild animals. >> We can't stop them from pooping. >> A fox poop in my backyard. >> Nice. >> What's the Any other question? >> I've read this over. >> Yes. Okay. The board,
083>> what's the pleasure of the board? >> At this point, we're just looking for a favorable or unfavorable recommendation going up to town meeting. >> It's not even really uh it's just it's just that I >> we're going to present the >> you guys are presenting >> We're presenting article 36. >> You are presenting article support >> just to uh Yeah. >> Yeah. To >> favorable. Yeah. Sorry, but it does say horse riders have to pick up their horses. >> Yes, >> I had them add that in. >> That's not practical being a question myself. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Get off the horse and pick it up. >> Oh my god. >> I apologize. I think you should be >> there are places where where people ride horses on on Milford public streets
084and leave their poop behind. >> Yeah, that's impolite, >> but it ain't easy. That's never mind. >> Okay, sorry. >> I could go on and on, but >> yeah, I'll make a motion that we give a favorable recommendation and endorsement uh towards article 36 uh storm water bylaw. I'll >> second that. All the babe second. >> Any further discussion? >> No. >> Hearing none. All those in favor? I >> oppose. Unanous four. >> Okay. The last thing here is uh standard conditions. Yes sir. So I had a chance to circulate this out in advance. Um the idea here is to have standard conditions available. So, when we review a site plan like we just did earlier, I could just read off that we're adding conditions 2, three, and four. And you guys will have a
085laminated copy of this with two-sided provided at every meeting. >> Okay. Just to know if you had comments on any of the other >> Yeah, I got stuff. >> I got uh some problems with it. Uh the uh sally hours >> Mhm. >> should be 7 should be 7 to 4:30. >> Okay. >> And >> I'm sorry. But Monday through Friday ends at 4. >> Mhm. >> So these these aren't these are hours that I kind of pulled from previous towns. >> No, I understand. But >> it's where the contractors are when they mobilize. >> Mhm. >> It cost them a lot of money to set up and do it and then to start at 8 and then knock on down at four. It's thing. And being in this section of the country >> right
086now, they're fighting. >> Yeah. They're fighting the weather and everything else. The same thing with the holidays. >> Mhm. >> Uh it's not like a municipal thing where all the holidays are taken. >> Columbus Day, >> I hate to say it, some of them work on Veterans Day, which upsets me. M >> uh >> Junth uh >> you know there's a number there's a number of holidays >> that >> they they do work. So uh >> um >> you want to spell out which holidays? >> It's the holidays. They don't work. They don't work the 4th of July. They don't work Christmas. They don't work Thanksgiving. They don't work New Year's. Uh they don't work Labor Day. and they don't work Memorial Day. It's it's it's a standard in the industry that everyone takes a
087day off. So whether you want to specify those days or not does it. >> That was Fourth of July and New Year's, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Labor Day, Memorial Day. >> Yeah. Those those days again most everybody takes gives them the day off. Part of the reason for this though is neighbor adjoining neighborhood comfort, right? >> So are there other holidays that the neighborhood would want the peace and quiet even if the contractors would prefer to work? And I'm not thinking of any. I'm just raising the question. >> We could amend this at any time. Yeah. So that's just the standard that it's >> I'm just trying to get the general. >> I just want to kind of >> No, I understand. It's just it's just holidays that >> not everybody Not everybody observes. A municipality observes
088every holiday. >> Yeah. >> Where contractors, >> they're they're trying to survive and uh do it. The same reason like on Saturdays because once the weather comes in and the frost is coming in, they're working hard to get ready to get everything set for the winter so they >> Yeah, I think >> they can continue to work. From Marthur's point, it should be either 4:00 across the board or 4:30 across the board. >> 4:00. Yeah, I got no problem with 4:00. >> Starting at 7 or 8. >> Start start at 7. That's They all start at 7. >> And if you start at 7:00, they knock off at 3:30. >> Yes. And seven is particularly helpful in the winter as we get cuz otherwise they don't have light. >> I worked I worked for a
089contractor one time. We It was real hot out, so we started at 4:00 in the morning. >> Oh. >> And he made us work till 3:30 anyway. >> Oh my gosh, that's a long day. >> So, we stopped that. I was going to read construction hours will be Monday through Saturday 7 to 4. >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. >> And yeah, no work Sundays. And then we're going to list >> work Sundays and no holidays. 4th, New Year's, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Labor Day, Memorial Day. >> They add Veterans Day to that. Those are the major uh ones. >> Veterans Day. Dad, do you want Babe? Do you want He asked if you want Veterans Day added. >> Oh, I as much as I want to put it down, is people that Okay. >> with you on
090both counts. >> So, I can amend the construction hours on the special permit side to to be the same. >> Mhm. >> On all of them. Yeah. Again, like you say, it can be changed if there's a problem, but uh this is a the standard itself is I think is pretty good. Yes, Joe. >> So, Matt, you've got the construction hours in two different places. Was that intentional? >> One is for special permits and one is for uh sorry, one's for subdivisions, one's for site plan, and the other one's for special permits. So, I got to amend this in the subdivisions as well. >> Yes. All >> in all of them. Yeah. Okay. >> Should there be something about the the inspection on uh on the uh second section, the site plan approval? >> Looks
091like we've got everything else here. >> The applicant must abide by all approvals and conditions. >> The project shall be developed accordance with the approved plans. And then we got the applicant needs to submit. >> Um is that the size 24 by 36 or don't we? >> 24 by 36. >> Okay. When What is that? A D size or E size? D. >> Okay. D size. >> Okay. >> But you're saying that you you are you saying you want something about an inspection? >> How about inspection? I don't know who does that. If that's you or if that's the inspector's >> We don't. >> No, >> we No, we do inspect. We don't in inspect. >> Well, we should. We she engineer would go out with the building uh inspector because the building inspector doesn't
092know the site plan as well as >> do it. But I always believed if it's nothing in the regulations and nobody does it anywhere that on a private site you're putting in drainage and putting all this in and nobody inspects it. >> Yeah. I >> the engineer is supposed to and they're supposed to do it for whatever good document. >> So I'm going to tell you a couple of things. one, I met with um John Ericson about this after the last meeting that I was at um so a month ago and um we reviewed the existing zoning regulations and he agrees that the um not the certificate of Bing can see what's the other one >> the zoning compliance letter >> the um certificate of zoning compliance um the regulation the zoning regulation requires ires
093an asbuilt plan to be submitted >> prior to hit to his office issuing a certificate of zoning compliance. Um he typically does have me do that and if it's a straightforward thing that then he would just do it himself. But um he typically does have me um look at the sites when they especially when they have drainage or whatever. Um so he's he is he is committed to um enforcing that. Um and also the the new drainage rules and regulations are going to have something in there about you need to have an asbuilt anytime there's drainage. Um so that's it'll be it's it's going to kind of be in there anyway. Certainly. >> I I think we should put it in. >> I Yeah. >> Cover ourselves. >> Yeah. The thing is >> the sewer
094has an inspector. >> Y >> as they're putting the sewer line in. >> Y >> the water department has an inspector when they're putting the water line in. In the future, we should sit there and discuss about having somebody there for when the drainage lines go in when the uh gravel goes in for the uh base of the asphalt and uh the curbing and all that. So, between we should have a discussion with the highway surveyor of who's going to send the guy out. We don't have the people to do it. No. Uh so >> yeah and I coordinate with the highway department currently just just because that's works for both of us. It it helps me to have them and it helps them to have me. So we we tend to try to we
095do our best to cover it, but yes, I I agree. It's not co and this is this is more with subdivisions, I think, than >> Well, the subdivision you do you do inspect. >> Mhm. >> It's the site it's a it's the site plans that you don't inspect, >> right? So the highway department wouldn't have any that's why I was uh the highway department wouldn't have any >> site plan. >> They can't they they can't do anything in the site plan. >> Yeah. >> The on the site. They're not >> Why the sewer department does on a site >> installing a utility? >> It's a good question. I don't know. >> This is again this is not something we're going to straight up. This is something we're gonna have to have an in-depth thing with
096the with the the highway with everybody and the town council. Yeah. >> Of what we can do. >> But if the drainage goes somewhere into the >> if it goes into our drainage system then absolutely the highway department can be Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Important distinction. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Then if it goes into the wetlands, then the the conservation should be able to have an inspector to go out and do it. >> And any uh with the conservation, I I'm allowed to inspect it at any time anyway. Um, and I think in even in the any site plans that we've done, um, if it's an underground basin, I do put in a required inspection for just as if you were doing a septic system. I mean, I did an underground one years
097few years ago and I called for an inspection even though I didn't need one because right >> if something happens I want them to look at it and say we did it right. So in creating a document like this uh this is where you know you put these type of controls in and I mean you don't have to be so specific like what you're talking about you're talking about all the process inspections and all the lift different steps which is very very important but a final inspection and sign off would be good. Oh, no. AB. Absolutely. Oh, no. I'm not trying to >> Absolutely. And it's the best we have right now. >> Y >> or even just something that says the town engineer may enter the site at any time to inspect >> that.
098Just just adding that in I I think would give us a better give you guys better legal >> Yeah. legal authority to go >> legal authority to do that. >> Okay. Matt, do we you want a uh vote to uh >> Yeah, I've actually um I've actually seen that type of condition before. So, that's pretty good. >> Good sense. I don't think you need time during construction to confirm. >> Uh there's usually like a lead time to notify like an hour's notice or something to notify the construction foreman. >> Do you want a lead time or you just want to be able >> 24 hours a week? >> No, they they give that's what they that's what >> No, no, no, no, no. Oh, oh, you're saying for >> Yeah. Yeah. To notify the site
099foreman that you're coming or something. >> Yeah. He's saying it the other way around. >> No, no, you >> No, they don't. No, they don't want any. >> Show up when you show up. >> Walk right in. >> That's the best time. >> Yeah, >> best time. I don't think you need a um a motion or a vote on this because you're going you're going to be select you know these will be included in and you'll be making the motions on them on >> and like you like you said we could change the standards as we see there's a problem or we have to add something. >> Yeah. Each project's going to be different. There'll just be a set of standards and then anything that you want to add to the project you can add.
100>> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Okay. Thank you, Matt. That's good. Uh, anything else before the board? >> Planner updates. Chairman updates. >> Yeah. So, I added a line on here for chairman updates. If if there anything you wanted to discuss, Mr. Chairman, there's something you wanted me to ask. We talked a little earlier. Forgot it was help me. Planner update. >> We said, >> do we need a line for town engineer updates? No >> agenda item. >> It's gonna come to us. >> The chair the chair doesn't want to hear anymore from me tonight. I should have >> It's whatever it is. I'm sure we can it can be brought up at the next >> All right. >> Oh, 24 hours before submitt >> Oh, yeah. So, with this uh Water Street thing, we were getting
101all sorts of uh updates after the packets went out and I'm I'm not a big fan of that and how that worked. You guys ended up getting different variations to plan. It was all confusing. I just want to be able to cut them off the day the packet comes out and if they submit late information, it's on to the next meeting. It's not fair to you guys to have to scramble and get all this information at the meeting. You don't have time to digest it. There's not time to process it. I just don't >> Yeah, it's I mean if it's a small change or something. >> Yeah, this was like multiple changes that had to go through town different town departments for their signoffs and re-reviews and all sorts of stuff >> pulling our hair
102out. >> Yeah, it's not up to you guys to go around chasing >> chasing that either. That's >> right. >> So, as a standard practice, you're good with us >> Yeah. >> ending it at the >> Yes. >> at the packets going out. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean >> with with using your judgment of oh, it's not a big change or oh, the planning board has we heard from the chair that this is something the board might want or >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's just we had all sorts of updates with this water street one that was >> uh legal, there was engineering, there was a whole bunch of stuff and he was getting it to us yesterday, even today and it's just too late. >> No, that's that's not it anyway. >> You
103guys either >> you know for those last minute changes or updates. >> Okay. Definitely. It's just good practice >> using good judgments. Reasonable reasonable judgement. >> Something that I've brought forth to other boards. >> That's why when you brought it up earlier, I was like, "Oh, that I was like, >> school committee, we we operate on that because again, we were getting things kind of towards the last minute and it just whenever you're trying to make a vote on things that are coming in at the 11th hour, it's just difficult. Uh we just recently saw that um on the school building committee and and hopefully we can kind of revise our policy there, too. So again, this is just something where it's it's good standard practices to to get the information in a timely fashion
104where you have we have time to review before a vote. So yeah, if if something minor changes and you can explain through, but again like today where there were multiple agencies that had to weigh in, it was in our best interest to continue on. So yeah, when full full support of of that type of uh measure. So, I'm doing the packets at the end of the day on Thursday. So, sometimes stuff comes in Friday and I still have Monday. Technically, I don't have to post the agenda until Friday, but I'm posting it a day early because Friday's a half day and I just don't get any confusion with that. >> Understood. >> So, posting Thursday packets also Thursday. >> Mr. Chairman, do you have any updates you want to discuss with the board? >> No.
105>> Pleasure of the board. >> Move to ajourn. >> Second. >> Moved and second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor? I >> opposed. >> Yes. Good night.