001[Music] good evening it's the Milford planning board of uh Tuesday March 18th uh first order of business is the minutes of the last meeting motion to accept the meeting minutes as presented second but moved in second to accept the me uh the minutes of the meeting any further discussion 3 none all in favor paos unanimous of five thank you uh we have no 81 PS uh we don't there's nothing that has to jump out first uh Larry okay got that suspicious character sitting in the audience getting pretty familiar we keep showing up and meeting like this keep an eye on him you're on thank you for having us again Josh fella with the Metropolitan are planning Council napc serving the town of Milford in the capacity of comprehensive plan consultant so happy to be with
002the planning board again thank you for hosting a joint committee meeting with the Milford comprehensive plan ad hoc committee uh so appreciate that we have good update this evening and um just we'll Dive Right In so we have a bit of review to do do with our progress uh feverishly drafting the draft plan um sadly I don't return to you all a complete hero this evening because I haven't delivered all the chapters yet but we we are making good progress I believe uh and have a a mountain of information which is in front of you and we can talk about get some initial reactions if you have some also talk about our approach to final engagement in this process to close it out including a final comment period from the community and then uh any
003next steps we can talk about next meetings next meetings as well which Larry and I started to go through but we can get the opinion of the planning board and the ad hoc committee as well just in terms of how you'd like to see those meetings confirmed for the remainder of this process thank you all for your efforts uh as this is meeting number 11 it's been a lot of dedication and a lot of time and hours that you would um have taken out uh from other topics to serve this planning process and to guide our efforts we really appreciate all of you doing so we are amazingly almost turning the calendar towards Spring with the Equinox this week uh but so we are here towards that final chapter of this effort where we really
004are compiling the plan and that's what we've been sending along to Larry and to all of you is uh draft chapters in that work and we really just have the um finalization of the remaining chapters which we'll send along in short order and then uh bringing that out to the broader community and discussing it with them and the results of this process um and then trying to I think through our final steps set you all up as well as possible for implementation of the plan because we'd like to see action from this planning effort uh and we'll set about on some tangible next steps that you can all take uh to keep the momentum so let's talk about the draft plan and how we've ended up over the last month or so so to date
005uh and I just updated this sitting here now it's it's a dynamic Pro like every day there's a new chapter which seems to be uh finalized ready to be send so far we've sent along seven chapters of 14 which is exactly halfway um that includes the introductory chapter uh then the series of milford's past present and future which go through historical present data and then the future vision statement which has been crafted through this process then as we've discussed the chapters from there um incorporate the goals strategies and actions within a set of themes which reinforce what we've heard from the community and tie back to the vision statement so that's chapters 5 six and seven with building community and bridging cultures strengthening the downtown as a center of the community and improving traffic safety
006and reducing congestion so those seven uh Larry has graciously printed for you those are in your packets this evening uh and you can uh look through those send back either directly to me or through Larry uh any thoughts or comments and we'll be happy to you know continue incorporating and improving those up to uh you know as long as we can and that continues over the next few months to make those chapters as as good as possible the uh remainder of the chapters we have chapter eight which is ready to send but I have not send yet I'm going to try to send the rest of the chapters in probably three chapters clusters so I'll try to finish 9 and 10 they're drafted but I'm still reviewing them and making sure that everything is in
007order before sending them along so next batch you'll get will be 8 n and 10 uh and I think that's well within reason to happen this week and then um probably overly ambitious to think that the next cohort which be 11 12 and 13 will also happen this week but I think we'll happen towards the beginning of next week in more realistic terms and that would be um the final of the Thematic chapters so You' have in your hand 13 Chapters at that point the 14th chapter is the implementation chapter that chapter um probably will we will still hold on and pull everything together including the um final engagement which I'll go through which will help inform the implementation chapter so the implementation chapter will be the last and it will be um really set
008helping to set in that momentum that I talked about to keep you all moving positively on this work so um that is what you have I think in general the chapter the Thematic chapters are landing in the neighborhood of nine or 10 pages a chapter so um which I think is about as tight as we can get them anything more and we start to lose some important information um but we've tried to try not to uh go on and on and try to get to the point so uh but that's about is best we can do in terms of brevity but if you see things you think are repetitive or we can cut we're happy to take those suggestions too um a little bit about the draft chapters themselves they are I sent them as
009PDFs they're in Word documents right now so if you would prefer to do like attract changes or comment that way if that's better for you I'd happy to send them as word docs all right so I'll just we we we'll continue on as PDFs PDFs okay PDFs are better I'll continue in that vein they are what I would call lightly formatted like you can see the format and layout there's some iconography occurring in them but they are not the same as what I showed you in the previous meeting which is the the heavier formatted document uh which we're um we'll be basically pulling this content into but wanted to get you the content for review and then I think from we can incorporate any comments you may have in trust that it will just get
010better like a little more dressed up and fancier looking uh as we move the but the content itself would not shift from that um so that's the the approach and I'm happy to like if you think it would be helpful I'm happy to actually pull up some of the draft chapters on screen for me but I've been I've been going over them I I got no problem just just continue to read for us to continue to read them um very good so we will continue in that vein to get you the remainder of the chapters you all can receive them look at them uh at in your I think you know you have we have some time you'll see it in terms of what we're proposing for the final steps of the engagement there's a
011window of time where we want you all to feel comfortable with the content before we're presenting it to broader audiences so we we are basically um endeavoring to schedule those final engagements at the end of April so if you get comments like hopefully the comments aren't such that like I we've been talking a lot throughout this process so nothing at this point should be too much of a surprise but if you see something concerning let us know sooner than later but if it's minor stuff we can make those minor fixes up to last minute but if you say like these chapters way off or something was isn't what you were expecting we're happy to um incorporate that type of feedback sooner than later so we can get in front of the content for these um
012next engagements is anybody been looking over and see anything drastic that looking over yes drastic no okay it's reassuring um all right so that's all sound that sounds like a great plan we'll continue um on that effort and I think by the by next week you should have the drafts in hand and we can continue that review process so the approach to final engagement we wanted to organize final discussions to both summarize the plan and again try to turn toward discussing implementation and bring together stakeholders that may have a role in that so what we're thinking right now is focusing on community- based organizations some of which were involved previously in the process of Engagement uh Last Summer so revisiting those relationships uh and inviting them back to discuss where the plan has landed talk
013about items that they could be involved in but then also do a parallel session with Municipal leaders so department heads board committee heads anyone that would like to come join us both of those will likely occur uh during the day so we'll probably do like 1: in the morning 1 in the afternoon ideally on the same day or our team could come out and do both of them uh efficiently in an in a morning and afternoon and um then potentially depending on how those two sessions go and if there's a desire from either ideally both sides of that conversation to have maybe a more of like a networking kind of how can we team together on getting some of these ideas uh moved along we would be happy to host and kind of convene a
014third session if there's interest in it but we'll kind of gauge and see if how that interest looks um and then that could that could occur following the dates we're holding right now um that are both for the dates we're setting out in time both for the purposes of making sure that the content settles and is good and you all feel comfortable with it but also to give us the room to set the dates and begin promotion and Outreach of those dates so that people aren't surprised by them and have time to get them on the calendar so we're holding both Monday April 28th and Wednesday April 30th and um also I don't have this on the slide but I think it's reasonable and Larry and I were talking this about this a little bit
015before the meeting started to have a community more General call to the community and Community presentation about where the content of the plan has landed in the evening of one of those dates as well so probably be like actually a three series meeting so it' be maybe morning cbos afternoon Department or Municipal leads and uh evening general public whoever would like to come and hear about where the plan landed and those three meetings would both be um review of the C review of the content invitation for those parties to all comment on the content and um I think probably by the end of April we'll through um the website the town's website the project website I think launched the draft Plan before then and offic launch a community comment period which will probably be about
01630 days and this will probably land in about the either towards the end or maybe the midpoint of that comment period so I think launching the comment period more around like April 15th is or earlier beginning of April would make sense depending on how your comments are coming we can decide when that launch should occur and that would be more of a online launch with this punctuating it with inperson meds um question or thoughts about that approach or ways that you think it could be improved or if this sounds good we're happy to just implement it okay so we'll continue heading in this direction and uh I think it's admittedly I feel like we at the end of these long processes haven't found the right way to um share all of the like you're seeing
017how many pages of information there there is and so we're I think usually it's both a look back at the process a executive level summary of the content and an invitation to participate in the implementation is kind of the Su most successful recipe we've had we've leaned in on um the content and some and it's Fallen pretty flat just because there's so much so I think it's trying to stay at a high level in some of these final conversations but it build build up the excitement a little bit for the implementation activities yeah I think you're going to you're going to want to go over that I mean you I hate to say it but there's probably a lot of people are not going to spend that much time looking at it that that should
018comment at least so to have an executive summary that says this is where we after all the process this is where we want to go at least if they look at that hopefully they can comment on that as to where they thought that and how that may them especially as you're talking about department heads and stuff as well great yeah this is I mostly covered this so far but I think the the official launch of the draft plan for comment will be um again not launched by one of those meetings but launched more online through the website uh potentially partnering with Milford TV to get some um adds up on in between Public Access sort of programming things like that that would launch the um there's no there's not a uh like statutory requirement for
019the amount of time in a count plan um comment period but I think 30 days is what we typically give which gives people enough time to take like be aware of it and then take the time if they would like to take the time uh we will share when we launch and announce the draft plan as a aable for comment we'll launch with it a community survey with a link and a QR code which people can connect to to give us comments which is usually a pretty easy way for people to comment on um any chapter usually people will comment on a chapter or two they're most interested in not uh all chapters but would they anyone who wants to take a look can comment on as on as much or as little as they
020would like to so next steps again everything we're continuing to compile on the plan website maybe um I guess this is a detail we should coordinate on at some point maybe after say two weeks or so from now and I could get a date to Larry but maybe we just have like a all clear from you all maybe to through Larry to us that at that that point we can start thinking about uploading draft content to the project website and start thinking about the launch of that draft material um but we'll kind of let you all continue to gain a comfort level with the draft chapters as they stand um and then the other next steps include Outreach for those events of course the other question we want to have and discussion with the group
021and confirm is just the plan on the next ad hoc committee meetings so you all have meetings on upcoming on April 1st and April 15th um April 1st depending on your appetite for review April 1st might be a little quick to have a productive discussion April 15th might be give us give you all a little more room to if you want to like I'm fine I I I'm I guess I'm sort of asking the question only because um you know we've seen various sections before we've gone through the content do you think having another meeting with us other than us sending you information and comments is there a need for for that in April I mean I can understand or you know this is me I was thinking that it would be important to have
022a meeting to have that meeting in May where it's gone out to the public because I I'm interested in what their comments are and wanting to make sure that their comments you need to be careful addressing their comments in general because we want to make sure as to how they that flows into the the general context of what was there or not so it obviously can't be an open um correct so those I think are important for for for us to understand and get back we wouldn't know those till May and I'm just thinking the the board and and the members of the committee sending comments back to you through then I'm not sure what else we would do in April other than doing that same thing so I I trying to expedite the process
023I'm I'm not I'm not sure that we need the meeting in April I'm certainly open to other board members comments but that would be my comment and to Joe's Point uh to the extent that the May 6th meeting uh would be the first time in may they could get together to comment on any of that if you would have your uh General scoping sessions earlier than the 28th and 30th you know maybe the prior week uh you know on on a Wednesday and Thursday or something uh I don't know did that would give you time to review the comments you might get and still have this next meeting on May 6th um or even possibly do it earlier than that especially if you're not having to come here at a joint meeting any other time
024at all with the boards in April so maybe even move it up uh uh the week of the of Monday the 14th um so that' be from the 14th to the 18th well try to avoid Fridays anyway and 18th is Good Friday as well I I don't know just a thought cuz you get all that to the extent you're going to get comments then as Joe says you need to make sense of them so to speak see if they're relevant comments number one and then figure out what to do with them after that and whether or not you incorporate it or just report them at least thatd give you a week or two to do that by say a May 6th meeting um I don't know would you in in past things have you seen
025there would be that much change on the and the no there's I don't see I don't see it but again I don't do it like you do no there's not not as much I think that there we occasionally find uh the commun the community at large will help us find just some errors occasionally um with many eyes on it the so we do of course incorporate those types of changes I think we it's not that frequently we have seen occasionally like a real strong Community voice around a particular issue that maybe wasn't as present or prioritized in the plan document which then could get lifted up um but I think what's important to explain in this setting of discussion and also to the community when we are in the meetings uh of review later is
026that this the process has built this content through many discussions with many community members so it takes we aren't going to dramatically change content based upon a single voice at this point because we've been bu building this content with uh in numerous amounts of uh participants so it would take really a multitude of voices in kind of a concerted effort to change that content at this point which is not unheard of but is so if you had on the 28 the dates you get set you wouldn't see a problem I think it's it's definitely if we plan for it possible for us to go from a meeting a series of meetings either on the 28th or the 30th and be ready to discuss comments with you on the following Tuesday May 6th I think that's
027very plausible and possible which would then allow us to if that's the plan um have an ad hoc committee meeting on May 6th and then potentially even on the following planning board meeting May 20th you could set yourselves up for having actually a planning board adoption vote for the comp plan if if so desired sorry just to be clear and would we at that time have a recommendation from the ad hoc committee I'm sorry if I missed onard no I think that would either it could either occur on May 6th okay or it could there's no again no like statutory requirement for these details it could occur even in the same meeting where the ad hoc committee comes together votes to um positively refer the plan to the planning board for official adoption and then
028the planning board could adopt as such but we want the committee's recommendation Would we not I mean I would yeah I mean that's again the dates he's got set he feels he can fill them so that's I where Larry said maybe earlier if he could if he can do what he's got figured out then I got no problem with it continuing on yeah I was just trying to buy time yeah I know I understand Larry yeah I think that I would still bias the final engagement dates more late like I think as we pull them forward it just becomes more of a concern with the ability to properly promote the dates and get Outreach for them yeah since we're we're on the market yeah I mean I mean that that backend stuff isn't going to
029matter to be totally honest in sense that if there were a number of comments that needed to be addressed from the 28th and we had the meeting and you couldn't do it then we can always push ours back but we've we've at least brought the process through to that point right tentatively you'd look at May 6th as a joint meeting and then depending upon what can get accomplished there the 20th is either another joint meeting if necessary or well it be probably preferable to have a joint meeting even though it's the board proper that adopts the plan so there'd be two meetings uh two joint meetings in May the 6th to wrap everything up and and hopefully the the whole the atoc committee could make their recommendation at that point and then the joint meeting
030on the 20th would primarily be for the board to adopt it yeah I think I think that to be honest I think that comes down to what what the comments are or not if the if the if the committee up through the 28th has has looked at everything Josh comes back and says that were hardly any uh comments from uh outside from from uh residents then that then the committee could take a vote on that night in which case they're done they don't have to come back again planning board can make that decision at that meeting whether they want to vote then or vote in two weeks but that's that's up to us at that point yeah all right so the 6th and the 20th yeah I think that's a reasonable approach and then there's
031not if something unforeseen occurs there's nothing holding us to those dates Ian we can give oursel the space to deal with whatever whatever may happen yeah so this way if I do retire on June 3rd it's not going to call that was on camera right well saying that for 10 [Laughter] years doesn't look right to right how many times you that4 say the year though the problem he didn't say the year no all right so the 28th those are just refreshed my memory so you're going to have department heads people like that in the afternoon uh in the afternoon morning or how we doing that again yeah mentioned a night meeting what was that so I think that it'll be three parts on these one of these two dates okay and and our hope would
032be that we can I mean it's basically just I guess more coordinating in terms of venue cuz probably at least the department had meetings probably wants to occur upstairs maybe just so there's space for it well if you have them all together or you're more likely to get all the department heads to participate if you do a zoom meeting okay yeah we and we they actually do have jobs yes indeed we're very respectful um and yeah those would be in the daytime more likely in the morning but whatever okay but definitely not in the evenings the evenings would be other agencies 28th there might be night timeboard we meeting that night I'm pretty sure so right um they could yeah they don't necessarily have to be morning and afternoon couplets I mean they they I
033think in terms of Community Based organizations and Department lead needs um it'll probably be about an hour meeting I would guess is what we're going to try to keep it to being conscious of everyone's time being uh very important and uh limited so we could technically do both of those as morning meetings depending on how what's best available for people okay and then would likely then do the community meeting though would be an evening session um I think probably we haven't confirmed a venue yet but we'll be looking for potentially one of the churches again as a venue as opposed to town hall just okay so that's going to be outside Town Hall it'll be outside of town hall likely because we have seen a willingness of a more diverse population to attend attendance outside
034of town hall I got you okay the the library um depending on the size um at the library is where we have a lot of our community engagement stuff so great yeah and we've done some of our meetings there as well that's right you did yeah okay yeah so we'll talk about that and some of those are some of the details we need to get confirmed and why we need a little bit of this lead time to get get that finalized to get Flyers out and stuff like that so but that would be the the three meeting couplet would be say two hourong sessions which we'll probably coordinate maybe coordinate in part with Larry and yourself to just make sure that we're not stepping on other meetings or get the best opportunity potentially to get
035some people in a room with us whether that be a virtual room or or in person do the same with Outreach to cbos to kind of feel out when might be the best time to do that on one of these two dates and then also have the the time at the library at St Mary's some somewhere like that so you going to go out to the other business organizations Josh to see what their availability and stuff is you've probably had more intera with them then we would know yeah we'll we'll be contacting the partners that we've talked to like the chamber Etc uh to see what they think um and and kind of we haven't done that yet but propos this same idea to them but we'll do that coordination okay as we do it
036before June before they open up the child's River loock everybody off um I think that is that's everything I had and I appreciate everyone their you know all of your focus on this and helping us get to the finish line here um and sight we're close yeah other thoughts or questions no I was happy when I seen the weird draft written [Laughter] across so I'll call you in the next two or three a good idea good yeah and we can do uh both some content coordination but also some 60 years ago I didn't think the r draft was that good yeah exactly different kind well thank you all [Music] appreciate okay uh why don't we take uh Mike you're here so we'll take well you want to note that uh agenda item four they granted
037a continuance what's that oh G item four is continued they don't have the plans they okay Contin next meeting thanks the motion we continue until our next meeting okay move the second move to the second we uh move the uh continue a 110 South Main Street to the next the next meeting any further discussion hearing none all those in favor oppos nous five okay Mike now you're up if you want to want me to read the [Music] yeah at 74 Medway Street Michael M's the applicant the applicant request plan approval to establish an accessory dwelling unit on the subject property copy of the recently adopted Adu requirements of the zoning bylaw are attached in your packet uh specifically The Proposal is to convert the 788t second floor storage area above the existing uh detached garage
038to an accessory drawing unit four plans for the proposed Adu are also attached to the materials uh the existing garage complies with existing setback requirements and the site plan indic Ates the addition of one off street parking space for the Adu all applicable U zoning requirements appear to be met therefore I recommend approval of the site plan subject to relevant agency comments uh as I said the second page is the current regulations that we're still waiting to hear back from the attorney general um we may never hear back who knows uh we did get a a report from the water department uh they recommend a dedicated Water Service uh um and they'll they'll want to approve the diameter of the line so you'll need to coordinate with them um and to the to the extent
039that they can determine that U you may want to show it on the plan uh I did finally today get a report from the highway department uh that uh his only comment was that any Road opening or curb cut requires permits and trans permits must be obtained from the highway department so I don't know if he looked at the plan or not cuz obviously all that stuff's already there so get away am M I'm not sure how much more I can add um so I'm I'm the owner and I built the garage about a year ago a little more uh and um you know with the recent um enactment of the Adu I thought I would take advantage of the opportunity my personal interest is I just want to keep it a studio uh the
040house on the property now is a three-bedroom um so you know I don't I just wanted to you know keep the number of occupants down to a minimum and um you know at the same time improve the property so did thank you any comments from the board yes um I found the addresses confusing and I was I was going to look up the assessor data because I would need to remind myself but if I remember correctly it listed the garage as one address and the house as another so I live next door at 8 Venice Street that might be the address you saw it might be is that also a three-bedroom house or or three bedom one of them is three-bedroom one bath the other is three-bedroom three bath or some if my memory could
041be wrong on this it was I think you're close enough but they're both both ranch style so neither of what I just said refers to the garage correct so the garage is on 74 Midway Road thank you yeah and and the property record card uh without making that clarification the assessors have their mailing address which is where they live at the Venice Street address on the property record card for 74 Medway which adds to the confusion yes so so I wasn't wrong to be confused you're right in there I sure was thank you that clarify got on g& H's case for for doing their plan the way they did because it's misleading uh it's not inaccurate but it it doesn't clarify it so yeah anyway yeah being on the corner street just adds to Theus
042totally cleared things up for me thank you okay yeah the only the only other comment I would have is that you're probably uh going to need to submit uh architectural building plans to to get a building permit I don't know that these meet the requirements but that you can deal with the building official line yep any comments back from the Su Department Larry no no they reviewed it it's me you'd never know cuz they didn't resp respond I would make a motion if nobody's got two or three weeks it'll they'll send over an email and somebody will have done something a week or two too late so there's a there's a recommendation for um a separate service for water right ask to and we don't know about sewer right about electric well I would I
043mean I don't I you're going to need to make sure sewer is okay with with what you showed here as opposed to putting in a a separate sewer line you know that's just a telling you so that you're aware of it because if you did it this way and they say no they have the right to say no so I would check with them before you do anything but there's there's no reason why we couldn't approve it based on you know for off for our purposes the only the only thing I would like to know is if they do do that is that and the water is that is that a plan gets submitted back to us that shows whatever the final condition is so if they have a separate water line as opposed to
044an upgraded water line we know that and if there's a separate sewer line that's shown on the site plan that gets that gets submitted as as an asz built or whatever that should come back to us or it only goes to ad only for record engineering right for record yeah just for record I just won't sign the plan until that whatever that is it's placed on the plan but if you make that a condition of your approval then I I just won't sign the plan until we find out what that is you can do it that way too yeah I mean yeah M well if if I may I mean I just assume get a I'll be happy to reply with an asilt for record but i' I'd like so I could move forward with
045permit and um get the board's approval tonight if if there's no objection well we would be I mean effectively we'd be approving it subject to you submitting the plan that that comes out of you talking to the water or the sewer department so you wouldn't be coming back to you wouldn't have to come back to us you would just need to file that plan with Larry so that it could be approved so it's not really a it's not another meeting with us if you did that tomorrow and you went to the water department and they said you know put in a separate line and you went to the Sewer Department said no you can do what's shown on the plan you can submit that plan to Larry and and we're done you don't so it's
046not a meeting with us it's just a matter of of whether we're asking for an as built or an actual site plan prior to building that shows what you're going to do okay yeah that way you'll get a signed site plan they've authorized me to sign site plans based on what whatever their approval and conditions are so it you know dramatically speeds up the process it's just a matter of right at this instant none of us know exactly what the answer is including apparently the sewer and the water department right which was my hesitation you well I think the water department you can make the decision they're either going to ask you to to increase the size to the to the main house so that you can do that or I would assume it's going
047to be perfectly okay to just put a separate service into the to the to the current garage to the Adu that's up to you you can do whatever you want to do so Department I think you just need to say hey you never made a comment I'm I want to go get my building permits and stuff what are you going to ask me to do when I get out there so that way you don't get surprised when you go out there which is also to your advantage anyways before you start digging so well sure yeah sure they're going to need to have a permit they're going to issue a per they'll have to issue they need a do do they need a permit a sewer permit well if they decide if depending what they decide
048well that's what I'm saying they're going to make them put in a separate service yeah so according to this am I looking at this correct right I got I got a w and an S here not necessarily that's what I'm saying is if you're if they go from building to building do they need a sewer perm to do so so that's why I want to note this right right now according to this site plan it's showing water and sore coming from the existing dwelling over to the garage right there is a letter though saying from the water department that certain upgrades need to happen they said well they recommend either either an upgrade to that and it's a recommendation not a requirement it's a recommendation to upgrade or to put in a separate service I
049mean as far as this is why I tried to getp gives you the okay to do I wanted us to try and get uh guess that's kind of what I was just as built generally implies after construction yes right so I just wanted to make sure that that didn't interfere with me actually doing construction you know because I could work on the insallation in the drywall determining what the sewer department and the water department are going to require and it's easier for you to go bug them because they apparently don't care Rel weas and stuff and so they don't respond either clearly enough or in a timely fashion or at all uh so you can get those guys to tell you what they want or agree with you how it's going to go show that
050whatever it is on the plan even if it's a note that on the waterline that says what the sewer department so what if he can't get something from the sewer department thank you that that's why this is going on I could be doing needs is their comment if they if they they don't need to do what if he can't get a comment from the sewer department Department or the plumbing inspector then or the plumbing inspector see that that's perfect if he gets a comment from the plumbing inspector saying that if the pl to building if the sewer department isn't going to give him a comment then then based on what he's shown as long as the plumbing inspector will approve that connection okay then we're set that's I I just need to know from somebody
051on their behalf that that we can go ahead because I'm assuming you're taking my recommendation and approving it it's subject to something to do with sewer and water which apparently either Department themselves know what that is sometimes in particular the sewer department can be difficult to get an answer from especially in a case where if they are fine with this going from building to building they don't need a sewer permit they don't need anything so so to get something from them saying that they don't need anything is not necessarily an easy task so I just wanted to make sure well it's irrelevant that I get it from the plum I guess the question is is there already water in sewer service from the house over to that structure going as stated there is pipes so
052there's no actual water or sewer throw flowing through those pipes so they're roughed in yeah in the location shown yeah so that's what I saying that would be more the plum inspect now you want to get into I get it I'm just saying based on the prints that we have in front of us that's all if something were to change based on Water and Sewer feedback then we address it then but right now the site plans that are in front of us based on the information we have right it's there fall within the conforming of the structure correct yeah was it rough inspected by the pl inspector yes then it's still okay right so that's why so we're we're talking about changing up but they're already in a sense roughed in so unless those two
053agencies water and sore make their own changes no and come back to us right water said it was a they recommended so that's uh um I guess my only question is did sewer take this up and just didn't simply didn't doesn't know looked at it so doesn't want to know what they want to do with these as far as they're concerned would they they're still under the belief that they have no control over it right well and I don't know that the the commission met and and reviewed this I don't know if it was an agenda item they may not have had as a board time to look at it John Uncle John may have looked at it if it's roughed in and inspected just just let's just approve the approve the plans then so
054my next question though um based on if you guys look at this overhead there is a other structure back here um I did drive by today you can actually see it in this picture so it's a shed or anything huh the yard shed the yard shed there's two cuz I drove by the site they're not shown on the site plane so just want to note that one is actually show them I don't know why he missed the other one so um they do the asilt of the garage when it was just the foundation um well and was the second shed there at that time the second shed there was there at that time um I believe they they did the As built after um and they went back out to add the uh topography that
055Larry wanted as part of the submission to the board so yeah I'm just going to say like that sh I mean effectively this is a site plan for us so it should be correct again and I went by today and there and it shows on this this overhead there there are two sheds one is kind of faintly shown on on the g&h drawing but the other one is clearly not shown and it's precariously close to the to the property line too I think that need just needs to be noted um it's a little you know if it was an existing shed it's out of our perview but if it was new again it looks a heck of a lot like the garage that's there so I just wanted to be making everybody aware of what
056I saw yeah they and and get your feedback the um the one that's not shown is is well outside the setback um the one that the the blue one m is shown close to the lot line and that shed's been there for long before I purchased the home back in 2017 I think for their purposes it the other shed just needs to be shown as far as whether or not that's an issue that's that's a zoning can can we make that a condition of the asilt uh I it should be added PRI so an as built isn't going to happen until everything is completed and then you submit it you need something that gets an approval yeah so I think I think based on what everybody's talking about I think the shed needs to be
057added but the no you cannot do that um the shed needs to be added to the plan and then Larry can up then Larry can sign the plan as being approved and then with regard to this is my this is my proposal with regard to whether or not the water and sewer changes that's something that I can follow up with the water and sewer departments to to well it I I think it's fair to say it should be on file or you know what actually I think we need to know because we need we need to be able to guide people Larry and I need to be able to guide people properly when they come into the office I agree with that so we need to get clarification from water and sewer as to what
058they are going to be requiring we had we have an improved and inspected water and soil line there already to a building yeah but that was that was approved that was approved based on not an auxiliary DW yes now it is so there there is there's a different use that it could have been approved under there was also a stop work order on the premises for the I have no problem approving the plan and having Liz do that I I'm not I mean where they put the water where at the end of the day isn't going to change our approval or not but I think it's worthwhile for us because it's in front of us and again it's not going to stop Mike from doing anything or not it's an opportunity for us to go
059back to the water department and to the Sewer Department and say how you going to handle these going forward so that it'll move the process along for everybody Downstream but I mean I have no problem approving this one based on the current current plan provided that the the site plan includes both sheds on on the site plan and I can make that as a motion but I do think it's important that we have a site plan that does show everything that's on the S yes all structures could I kind of clarify your motion so is it to um to approve subject to the plan showing the sewer and water as no no they they could stay the way they are oh okay but showing the sheds yes andth and authorizing Larry to sign the plan
060once it shows the sheds yes on our behalf if the if the motion passes yes okay so the water and sewer thing is just something I'm going to deal with on the side okay to try and make this a little bit more effortless for us I mean I mean at the end of the day I don't think we're going to we would change it's it's more of a it's more of an assurance to to the applicant that in fact you can do this we're telling them that we're approving it but you still haven't gotten approval from water and sewer and they can tell you no Downstream and you don't want to be halfway through it and then get a no so we I'm just trying to make sure everybody knows what's going on they might
061be able to separately say no well or say yes in a way that's going to cost them way more money than they ever expected uh which again is unfair to to find out at the end when they should know them couldn't well right now with the right if they showed the water Connection in a different location or a separate water connection we're not going to not approve it anyway so there's no use for the applicant to come back I will second Joe's motion mov in seconded any further discussion there are none all those in favor oppose unanimous five thank you thank you everyone now thank you okay we have see what they say special permit referral for 26 Parker Street easy easy for me I thought this was pretty straightforward my own house has a
062variance um like this extending the existing um set setback extending the structure I can't figure out how to word this consistent with the existing non-conforming setback right um I finally got it and it's even a little gray as to whether or not this needs a variance I I think it does need a special permit no matter what but it's just the way that the the way it's written well you want me to this is certainly want me to read the report is this the applicant hi yeah so so the applicant request a special permit for 26 Parker Street to to allow for improvements to the existing single family dwelling on the subject property the lot's non-conforming as to area width and Frontage the house was built in the 1850s and is non-conforming as to sidey
063guard setbacks specifically The Proposal in includes raising the ceiling height to the second on the second floor as well as adding an by 10 addition to the southeast side of the house and a 4 by 10 addition to the southwest side of the house a small 4T front porch is also being proposed the house is to remain a single family dwell we're been favorable uh to the zba uh so yeah the the problem is more than just extending uh existing building lines because it depends on uh which way you look at it as to whether it creates a further encroachment or not um because the house isn't exactly parallel with either side property line uh it begins to create additional encroachments that as well as increasing the uh square footage of the uh residential use
064area within the building uh is in the realm of the special permit uh approval uh as well so uh um the simplest way to get him through the process was just to have them uh go to the zva for the special permit and that'll whatever it is they say will cover everything he needs agreed that solves problem solves problems for the building official as well so I recommend approval yes again I to me this one was straightforward and unless the I the applicant unless he or has a presentation he'd like to make or board they don't have further comments I would make a motion to recommend a favorable um recommend favorable action on this application to the [Applause] zba we moved I'm going to Second just with discussion yes uh just Liz on the driveway
065with the saw cuts uh it's obviously going to be a three-bedroom home so I would presume at least like two-car driveway is is going to be needed it's a it's a really tight area um you know it's certainly an older house I think the proposed changes are going to look great for the neighborhood considering the the current house is little on down right but he's have you're going to be have the driveway extended yeah it's going to be extended the drive so you'll be able to have two cars side by side yeah now yes yes I right now right now you could probably put two car stack stack yep 100% yep just I saw the saw cut areas and I just wanted to know in that front area yeah going to ex that that um
066that hatching area is where he's extending the pavement to make the second parking space and again the good thing about it is we're not trying to increase the setback uh thing we just freid to use just drawing out the straight line so yeah that's why it's a bit of a gray area when you read the but it's definitely this doing the special permit is is the way to do it but then moved in second any further discussion just a question how are you going to end up filling the oil fill oil fill yeah it's right right right FR you carry it you pull it that's well it's going to have to be a lot of houses they do that believe me that's on the elevation oh you should see how huh depends on the elevation
067that's all flat 5 Street no I'm talking about coming out of the house putting on the steps as to how high it sits in the house now where it is in the house coming out we did it we did it to our house to are you saying I mean we had a if that's coming out of the if it's coming out of out of the rim joist it's going to be into depending on how the how you how the front is framed it's going to be coming through almost at the elevation of the porch right that's yeah but Joel looking at the front elevation yeah you'd be able to put it just to the side of the of the front door sticking may not because I don't you you can't run it up and down
068we chances are it's up in that elevation if it came out of the rim joist to begin with it's going to be in that so right unless you run it from the inside and bring it out you're coming out you're coming out and then un unless Bo all around it it would have to be relocated from the that's we had a c we had a c we CED into the foundation in the foundation I'm I'm not talking about turning this down or anything I'm just saying you be aware of how that comes out because the framing for the front porch may not be all that easy if they frame it and they can't put oil in they're going to know pretty quick there's always there's always gas okay any further discussion there are none all
069those in favor opposed passed to further referral anybody got anything else to bring up uh Larry you you saw the referral that's where we have a referral for for Kevin's zoning Amendment zoning change Amendment oh yeah yeah yeah sorry okay you're all set we're going to have a public hearing and uh we'll set a public heing on that once we get yeah uh the public hearings for the flood plane Amendment and for this latest thing will be April 15th right after your reorganization okay go Larry if uh Walter Circle they were um asking me about um Street acceptance do if if if I have it we have it remanded from the select board on Monday I don't know all right I'll have to look what time they had they've had the schedule for a year
070I'm or more so we can look at that tomorrow okay I wasn't sure new for certain but no okay sorry no it's fine no what's the pleasure of the board motion to adjourn second move to Second adjourn any further discussion hearing none all those in favor oppos unanimous Sur five good night motion y Martha Martha what