Saco School Board Meeting 9-14-22

001e e e greetings and welcome to the soaker school board meeting for September 14 2022 call this meeting to order at 7 p.m. let the record reflect that all school board members are present like to invite you all to join us in the Pledge of Allegiance States indice thank you very much this time we'll move on to item three of the agenda and that is to enter into a workshop for site selection construction topics and believe we will start off with item 3A which is a site overview superintendent Ray all right good evening everybody uh thank you for all that comes we are in a workshop session so this is designed to be have the ability for people to ask a few questions um have more conversation we have done uh over the last year

002and a half an incredible amount of work trying to move forward on the building project of something that is you know we may not have have many chances in our lifetime to do something as impactful for schools in the city of Sako as holding this um ranking and ability to build a school using State funds now certainly there are many complications throughout that um whereas the state is up against debt limits and we know that construction costs are pricey and acquiring land is as we've learned is not the easiest thing and when you do have a piece of land it may have some Wetlands on it or there may be Transportation pieces and you have a lot to consider um but over the course of this uh project we've had several meetings um that have

003been public forums uh where we had honed in on the sweetzer site and with the uh bad news of that being pulled from us we're back looking at our number two and three uh choices which was Claire and SMS and certainly there are people who have feelings one way or the other uh about those um but we didn't necessarily always hear them um at any of our other meetings and so we're getting to the point where we need to start making some solid decisions as a community knowing that the school committee is the group that will make the decision on site the city council will certainly have have the ability to put questions on a ballot that is what your role in some of this and then there's also the pieces about when we look

004at not everything in these buildings gets paid for by the state so there's always the local piece and that's where school committee and building committees and city councils will negotiate some of those things about while we've been in the the point of talking about land and sites and track traffic in vernal pools and wetlands we have yet to have many conversations about program and aspects of the building that we would like to have um and then if you've been in several meetings and Rob always uh jokes about it with me is I'm always someone who thinks that uh as a city we need to have some sort of Auditorium um for Productions and plays and Gathering points um but those are are decisions and discussions that have to occur because those come at local costs

005and charges and so we are down to kind of looking at two sites and and we are also trying to move this as quickly as possible because our children here in the community have not had this opportunity for a new building there are time limits that are there from the state and I think they expect for us to hopefully be at bond by the year 2027 which means that was the proposed where the State Board thinks we should be opening a school I think that's the number that the year they gave us the other day Rob is 27 is the expected Bond date and there's also some pressure on the state construction piece that because the state has a certain debt amount and projects take longer to build they're not utilizing the full debt ceiling

006and so as projects drag they get lot of pressure from the people behind us on the list saying hey what's going on here we want to build our project why aren't we using the full debt capacity that the state has so there have been many questions about sites and there have been things in the public about roadways and Route uh 512 connectors and all of the pieces that that come together for us to start making a decision and I'd like to invite oakpoint who is our hired Architects engineers in um kind of the experts here to kind of give everybody in the room uh kind of an overview of where some things are and this is designed in a way by Workshop format for us to ask questions make points talk about certain things um

007because we really need to start flushing this out if we as a community are going to move forward and have a Target vote of next November not even this November and I think with certain parts of the project that timeline um is something that we will have to work hard to make so invite Rob from oako to kind of talk about in the back if you have some good handouts here but you also have some bigger maps that are there uh and I'd like to invite Rob to come up and talk about um a couple of the sites and some of the things from his expert of where he's at sure thanks Jeremy um first of all we we've had we've been on board for about a year and had whole bunch of of building

008committee meetings and a whole bunch of um sub meetings for site selection and for programming and a number of public forums that we we presented where we were at at the different phases um and uh so this is this is good that we can have this conversation hopefully hopefully wrap things up we we had spent an awful lot of time on the on the sweeter site and as you know it's no longer available to us but um based on um straw poles at the at the um public forums it was decided that that was the direction we were going to go um and I'm not sure it was it wasn't an official vote but almost everybody I don't think there were any dissensions um there probably about 50 people there um and so that's not

009available to us but we had spent an awful lot of time and your money and state money to investigate um how that would work for a for for a project site and and so it was disappointing but we moved on we had two other other sites as Jeremy just mentioned um that uh might fit the bill um and we've not done the extensive analysis of those two sites we did for the sweetzer site because this happened fairly recently but we had done a lot of work beforehand and and and rated them on on a scale based on um not having all the the technical data to back it up yet but more to what would would make some sense so um we we had started with a whole bunch of sites and we really narrowed

010it down to those three as as as ones that might might work so the other two sites are the CLA site which the city owns part of and there's a private owner um next to it um that we would need to um convinced to to sell us the property to make it work uh it's on Route One it um we'll we'll start with this so um Jeremy said we hadn't done a whole lot of program we actually have done quite a bit of programming on on the on the buildings we have not narrowed anything down but the the programming to date has been us talking to your staff and your administrators and and the the folks that the Committees and um basically we end up with here is um two buildings one is uh one

011through five uh it's the yes thank you Meg um and uh the other one is prek and the reason it's footprint is about the same is we haven't we haven't narrowed anything down on these projects on these on the these uh buildings yet um as far as um this is just the wish list kind of of a plan um and the prek to K we're looking at it being all one floor so the the footprints about the same as the uh the we we envision the the C the first grade to fifth grade building which would have three stories for the um the um classroom Wing So in this case we're coming in from Route One um and one of the concerns was the the you know coming trying to leave on on Route One

012to to the South um but the idea is that we've we put a roadway in that goes down to the milb industrial site so most people would come in and if they wanted to take a right to leave after the school they could on Route One or they could go all the way down through the the uh the the driveway to milbrook and and then you can actually get to a light um the nice thing about a a windy road like this is if you've ever been to any of the schools that pick up or drop off uh this windy road will will be full of cars so it's actually a great way to cue things and in this this in both case what we're trying to do is is have a the parent drop

013off um and the Bus drop off um separated but close to the uh each of the the schools so we have um the parking and parent drop off on the North End and as you come winding down around uh for your exit um there's a racetrack there that's the that's the Bus Loop so the buses would drop off there and you would have a um it would be easier to monitor as far as picking up getting the kids into the school from the parents and from the and from the Bus Drop off and the amount of of um fields that we're showing are the ones that we would expect the the state to support um but the state has told us from a program standpoint that they'll support five grades um if if it's a

014if it's a k25 school and then the city of Saka would uh would need to fund the prek to K building and uh there would be a shared expense as far as the um as far as the roads and things like that so we're our argument would be if we need a road for one of the schools that that would would take care of that but if there's anything we need to do for the pekk the state would be very supportive of of Sako ping for that um so the the site is pretty flat the the light blue that you see is Wetlands um but they're not they're not important Wetlands there's a couple of small spots of of um vernal pools also not significant and uh down behind the this the school is is

015the brook and the one thing I will say about this site um from a positive standpoint the development would be fairly reasonable because it's a a fairly low sloping site until you get to the orange which is um which is the steeply sloped areas that go down to the to the brook and then the other thing is is going down mil Brook you actually connect to the Eastern Trail um so the the brout behind would would be a great opportunity uh for out Outdoor Learning for the kiddos and there would be lots of opportunities for that so could you just show what the city owns and the line right down the middle is about to the north of that line is what the city owns and the land where the racetrack is and and the

016lower um uh soccer field un9 School field would be uh uh the property we'd have to acquire uh any questions so far I have one I have one yes sir so quick question so the land that we would need to acquire is that land owner aware that we are discussing this okay and and what is their we've been told their interest they have not put it on the market but they are willing to sell it to the city for for a school that that's what we've been told by number of people um the state supports um 20 acres plus another acre per per 100 students so for the state funded portion of it they would support 30 usable acres and the whole the whole say would need to be about 40 usable so the the

017what's not usable here would make a really nice park or Conservation Area for uh for the for this for the city mostly on the land that you already own uh plus probably the right hand side of the the land we'd be purchasing I'm not sure you'd want to retain um the brck part U but it's a it's a pretty it's a pretty site I was I was pleasantly surprised when we walked out there the first time there's a a few places where people have um left things behind um I wouldn't call it a dump but there is a couple small dumping grounds of interesting things um that one might find in the woods um uh but there was nothing that was it was noticed that was um there was a significant problem but we would

018no matter which site it would be we would be going for an environmental assessment of of the uh of the site which has not been done here and the wetlands were done earlier as a um by the the previous the current land owner and some of the work that was done for the city on on the clear site sir is there an opportunity to connect as part of this project to connect the site or the schools with the Eastern Trail there so yeah so that that to me was pretty cool so um right now there's a way to get to the Eastern Trail by going down the Industrial Park Road which is little used and I think there's a trail either already there to the Eastern trail from the RightWay U which is that lower

019um stubbed road to to milbrook U we've been told that there's a a trail on site that gets you to the Eastern Trail um it it would be possible to get on on site but as you can see the the the mil brck is pretty wide and putting a bridge in there a couple of developers that were out there said yeah we just put a big coverboard in there and we were saying I'm not sure that's a great idea but you possibly could do it but maintaining the uh environmental integrity was important to us okay we'll go on go on to the next one back Rob let's just because I know that the room sometimes doesn't allow us to because of the way we're trying to be on TV and everything people in the audience

020questions at this point this would be a great time to ask some of those if there's anything you'd like to know about what's said mikees does right so this this um this was a placeholder to make sure that the buildings would fit correctly and we could fit them on U Our intention is if if this is the site that we we end up using we would look a little harder at the way the the driveway comes in and the buildings set we're trying to keep the buildings out of the wetlands the parking especially up in the up in the north piece um would' have some wetlands and there would be there would be some Wetland fill but it was our feeling that we could we could do a better job given the time but this

021was put together in about a week or two once the sweeter site went away so we've not spent the the the amount of time time that we need to to make this site really sing welcome I don't know of any reason why it wouldn't be developable yes sir just um do you have a sense of I mean I guess I can kind of ballpark it but what the percentage of land that we need to acquire from the private entity from the private person is on on this it looks like maybe like a third yeah that's that's probably a a good guess maybe little less than a third but that's probably pretty close so um when when you're doing a school project the state will pay for the average of two appraisals for the land and

022then they'll they'll pick up the tab for that um if you as the owner of the school um own the land you don't get anything you get a school so that that's the that's the idea with the school so the fact that you own land makes it somewhat easier and I would certainly make the argument to to that that the state would pay for that portion of it um but the state is going to push back uh during the design process process before uh concept approval about how much is going to be State how much is going to be City if we're going to build a a school here which is 40% of it do we have to pay for or 25% of of it do we need to pay for 25% of the land

023and we would certainly make the argument that we're already donating a bunch of it but yes ma'am I think I think this is more of a question for the city but um because it's City owned because we're looking at this this isn't going up for sale it's not on the market or anything like that on your on your end is it it is currently not on the market okay and then and then like you guys were discussing before you've already had conversations with the people who own the other property yes and they they seem interested yes we we haven't but um people in your committees have the access road coming off of milb is that dedicated busing or is that going to be multiple use how is that going to connect to mil right the

024intention that we're showing here is that it would be um not dedicated uh for for buses um it would be possibly dedicated for buses uh coming in but going out we want to we want to have the U parents have a good way to leave the site without making a left on to Route One uh but we haven't determined that because we haven't done a the full traffic stud of this parcel yet we still need to do that and the land that it's cutting through is that is theread already that yes so the road that that she's talking about is is in is in a right ofo um that that's currently there there is there's no Road there it's just um uh right now it's about a path so it'll become a road Dave uh

025we believe it's 75 ft just curiosity we talking about we have to uh ballpark price tag of this property yeah I I I I I don't um Kevin right so I'm not sure what it would be um but again if if if this was the direction we took there would be some negotiating between the state the the city or the school board and and and the land owner and again so we have had this situation where the appraisal came in at one thing and the owner wanted more money in wouldn't budge and the difference was paid for by the Community we were working for because it made a lot of sense but don't you know but in those cases they really did make a lot of sense sir yes yes okay sir from here up

026yes sir okay right so yes so it does need to go through the appraisal process um and it needs to be at least two and the state will pay for the average of the two um and if it's not an nor if it's not a reasonable number then you you choose not to go down that route if it is a reasonable number but it's still more than the average of the two you can ask for another appraisal and and uh um the state is some very specific ways to go through that yes ma'am so what is the process to get the land is as quickly as possible um to decide what land we want is the is the first the first thing we need to do and and and and then uh we can get

027the appraisal process going because excuse me because I think we would need that that whole piece of property in order to build this we could possibly push push over to the other towards the back of the city but there's really no other way out of the property except for cutting through it so um you just basically start the negotiation as soon as possible before well it the question is if if we were to get a a purchase and sale agreement um on this on this uh on this property uh beforehand would we get reimbursed for it and the answer is yes um if you actually own it we'd have to talk about that but we' definitely need to you the state doesn't really want you to go too far along the process unless you have

028a purchase and sale agreement so we don't end up um spending awful lot of their money and your money and not being able to move forward so the the answer is yes yes sir interesting concept you could e you could put at least one building in there possibly two we we're just trying to again fairly quickly scramble after losing the sweetzer site and um and show how it could work yes that would be great 75 RightWay isn't it wouldn't be great for a major roadway but for a driveway for a school it would be fine Pat do you agree sorry do you think a 75t rway would be adequate for a School driveway good thank you thanks sorry to put you on the spot right we we would have to figure out with the with

029the state with if we could get a light or if we want a light um so the question is is do we have a way out onto Route One directly um we would plan on having a right-and turn under route one which which would be the appropriate thing to do we're just concerned about the left-and turn and the state would probably require us to to put a leftand turn lane in in into the site anyways and if the city makes us do it the city has to pay for it but if do tells us we have to do it then the state pays for it I'm pretty sure that do would make us do it sir so that would be a right turn only on toout one headed towards Scarboro not headed towards Sako we're

030flag Pond Road now has there been a traffic study no no we we we did a traffic study of the sweeter but we've not done one here yet do we know of any other developments that might be being built out that way I don't know just seems like it's further out of town than where all the developments and the houses are being built right I I would love to stick it right downtown or someplace on a 40 acre piece of land we we looked for a long time to find something and we were fortunate to be able to find three potential sites I mean normally uh we wouldn't put one in industrial park like we were at sweder although some cities do um and the same thing with with here going into this you know

031I I had um considered that it would be easier to find some sites west of of of the turnpike and there wasn't anything but the other thing about west of the turnpike is is is traffic and it's also uh utilities and that sort of thing but we were wide open we the I think the early plan the first piece the first page Meg can you show that again so um we we studied the entire town the city to try to find spots you know clearly the heath wasn't a good place to go and we're going to be talking about the the Middle School in just a moment but um finding land that was available to us was it was like pulling teeth we had we had an easier time in Portland you know which was

032much which was much more congested yes sir just thank you so what Jen was saying is uh this this site is only about a mile or a mile and a half from where sweetzer would have been had we gone there on that direction through through the industrial park move on good thank you and thank you uh can we go to uh Middle School so um the Middle School site and in all honesty when before we did any work at all it was my favorite um and I'll because I I like campuses and but the more we walked it the more we looked at it the more we looked at the the the complications here it it's it fairly quickly went the went the other way um so the couple of things I want to show

033you is that the the the two buildings are shown to fit on the site um the access would come in from um route five in this case can you go to the next slide please mag so we were told that there was that there was a connector um which will follow up a little bit more on that um and right now the right of way that the city owns is the um the black squiggly line on the top that cuts across the bottom of star homes and um through the woods and has about four stream Crossings um and where it comes in on off of Route five um the RightWay um actually inter Subs Route 5 about 30 ft below the road and and at an intersection where there is a very tight power line

034so we we we analyze this because this is we really wanted to see how we could make this work um and so the other thing about this if we go go the other one again Meg please the first one um um thanks so you can see this kind of tight um there's a lot of slope the Orange Lines there are steep slopes so we have to do a lot of cuts and fills and we can't build parking lots you 10 ft below the schools because the kids and all the handicap folks need to be able to get to the school we wanted to come up with a way to separate the parking and the bus loop again so the Bus Loop is in the middle the parking for element the prek K would be on

035the northeast the the which is upper right right in the middle and then the other school would be down below so so if you've ever been out behind the the middle school that those are pretty steep slopes and the the middle school kids in the last few years have built a series of trails out there and environmental um study areas um which could be re re re redone elsewhere but just something that's they're very proud of um and also the uh the the the subdivision to the southeast um we wanted to try to keep the schools away from that as much as we can so we didn't build a 140,000 foot building right across the street from those two houses or four houses um and on the other hand the gray hatch line on the

036northwest side is that power line that goes along next to the school so it's been challenged to to fit in in here so but we've been able to do that but we've not done any Wetland studies or or traffic studies here yet either so we have some work to do um and then it came to our attention oh I'm sorry anything we do on the site proper of the middle school if we build something on it or or put a roadway on it every uh square feet of property has to be replicated because you received a Federal grant for the work on on the school over the years and it pretty much encompasses the site except for the actual building so we would and you can't buy your way out of it you have to

037physically buy the same amount of property and Rec and rebuild the same thing on another site you can't do it on other another city own land so what we were suggesting excuse me is the south west wter portion of star homes the green rectangle you see at the top is a un9 school un soccer field we would propose to buy the property there from Star homes it is for sale and um and replace whatever we steal from the the Middle School up there so we don't want to move program elements from the Middle School way over there but things like practice fields and that sort of thing or or after school functions could certainly be up the road but from you know getting getting those back fields just from from schools ways now so to

038increase that would be tough tough um so the um there is a study that was done um which uh we were we were shown that shows a connector going along um yeah that's that 3 foot drop I was talking about um the show a connector that's shown on the on the back of a study um it hadn't actually been evaluated to to a to a lot of length it just basically said after the after the the new exit is put in then it would be studied some more and sometime after 2026 um it would it would be investigated somewhere uh the city doesn't own the land um the city owns up to the red line of the Southwest portion which is part of the middle school then there's some privately owned property from there below

039there's a large stream crossing right around that same spot and a lot of grade grade change so this is just something we we know is there but it it hasn't been a developed a developed plan um yes sir so as it as it relates to that black line that the connector so that is a back of a napkin yes drawing so there's nothing really in the pipeline there's no no and so as it relates to being able to access this site the the state would not even look at that as anything that's even on the table no so we're left with the other line yes which may or may not be viewed this way by a lot of people but it's connected to Shantel and uh and Blake and that effectively becomes a Connector Road

040just by default if that's built we we we we thought of that we'd probably put a gate up but that's yes that would be the kind of thing that wouldn't prevent someone from dropping their kids off or picking their kids up and producing traffic in there yeah we've actually done a couple of schools where that was the case um and so the the gate concept is really around Public Safety access primarily totally would that also necess itate the same kind of thing on say Hillview Avenue or Jeffrey Avenue on the other side probably yeah um but I mean the nice thing is you couldn't get Public Safety to the school fairly easy from the other side but it would be a great place to drop your kids off if you didn't want to wait in

041line right but from the other side means that they leave the fire station cross over to shaty Road go all the way up to route five then go out to where this one and a half mile road lives and then come back to the school that's why I'm saying that if if they're really talking about it being a public safety access that they're going to they're going to want access much closer in either or possibly both of those neighborhoods right so um in the in the price tag there of the of the napkin sketch was $9.6 million and that was a few years ago how 9.6 million um and we were we even thinking if if and if it's a roadway if it's a connector it's supposed to be a connector you're not supposed to

042building like the connector in bord you know there's really nothing built on it except for Mountain Road crossed it at one point um so putting it through a school site's pretty tough and we'd have to have setbacks for the school so what we're showing that the school is already pretty tight uh we'd have to um basically get rid of the parking and put that someplace else it doesn't mean we can't do it but that's why this this this did not rise to the occasion like the other like the other side did so the straight shot was supposed to be $9.6 million so I would assume the the longer shot would be million and a half which the state would pay for some of it but not that they would not would not pay for Connector

043Road so if it was just a driveway they would assist with it but they wouldn't pay for Connector Road so I'm sorry I think I misunderstood so you're talk $9.6 million would be for which road the the short one the short one so the longer one that goes all through all that how much is that one estimated well mallar Park million and a half more million and a half total yeah million and a half total yeah it smaller Road it would be a smaller Road it would be a driveway right now we're just look and and that's without actually doing any of the wetlands design or The Crossings so the 9.6 million I we didn't do it so I'm just saying that that's data we were we were given um by prior prior study if

044that was 9.6 million and there's only one stream Crossing we would have three or four going the other way and major major changes so I would have to believe it would be a million and a half or more okay so a million and a half for the I mean 15 million I'm sorry or how is that short road yeah yeah I'm sorry 15 and a half million let me have some more tea no it's it would be 15 or plus 15 plus million dollars for the squiggly crazy Road Great okay a lot of que a lot of queuing space though you said that we need to if we were to build this we would need to replace land again this this um what's would be the price tag in the area we would need to

045purchase um we we don't have an actual price tag or the actual Land This was done fairly quickly like the other one was but eyeballing it we could buy the star property land and I'm not sure how much somebody the room might know how much that is and that would be adequate I think to do what we would need to do to replace it because honestly what I'd want to do is squeeze the squeeze the buildings a little bit further and go a little bit closer to the to the middle school with the buildings and the um and the uh parking and in so doing we'd be taking more of that of that so at this point it just shows that it that it will fit but not well so far so what are you

046looking at for AC um 20 acres yeah uh ballpark 10 to 20 depends on how much we really have to take and I think the um the star homes had about 18 usable Kevin uh I don't know that we we don't so the question is are the owners agreeable to sell either the star land star homes property I I honestly don't know it was it was brought to as a a possibility when we were doing the site selection in the first place and then the other the other piece um we've been told so far because honestly we we looked at that um beautiful farmland and boy that would great be a great place for a school but at least at least for as far as the access from the back we've been told that they

047are not amenable to to selling it the fenders of property okay okay so has anybody in the city been told that the Fenderson property is for sale any or anybody in the in the in the audience here okay so for the microphone Okay so we've been told that the the Fenderson property which would be the the key one to actually get through to to the the back from a driveway or do the connector uh is not interested in in selling and is is annoy that people keep asking them um and then the starup property I I don't know answer this better but um does this have to be new acquired property or would the fields be available to use for the schools that that's my understanding too is that whatever we have to replace that

048we we take from the from the site uh would have to be newly acquired prop property we have bumped into the Sun a few other schools I have a related question for that topic so there's a process in place and um rules associated with us not being able to touch the property I'm assuming that the state or the state the federal government is going to have to have a say as to whether or not a particular piece of property is suitable for their requirements is that something that has to be in place before we even talk about utilizing this piece of land as part of this configuration me meaning in terms of the process and putting all of this together do we have to identify a piece of property that's available have the state bless

049that then turn around and say okay now we can use the C Middle School site in its entirety or whatever portion we need and so that's what we're going to use to satisfy what we need from the state like the the logistics of all of that right I think before you get concept approval you would have to have that but as far as moving forward we would just need to know that we're going to take five acres or 20 acres whatever it is out of there and you're going to have to find suitable property so if we suggest the star home site and they say no we would have to look at another field someplace and and make ball fields out of it but but would the state allow us to move forward with Sak

050Middle School under the assumption that we're going to use part of the fields if we haven't satisfied the federal requirement yet I I don't I don't know that for sure but I don't think that they would allow us to go past site approval unless we had a plan in place that was was approved that would be my guess yes ma'am with this configuration with the two new buildings on the SMS property how badly does this pigeon hole us to ever expanding say SMS or the new schools 50 years down the road like it seems to me that because we're going to be squeezing these properties I mean these buildings on this property that is not going to really leave us a whole lot of room to expand like say SMS I mean it's if if

051we do have any growth and we need to expand that building right will we have that ability to do that like so when we build new buildings we we designed some of the classroom wings so you can add if you if it was a three-story building six more classrooms but you wouldn't be able to build another school on this site um because I don't assume the environmental laws are going to get any easier um so um and and there is more there is more availability at the CLA site to matter of fact you could proba probably put another school on the other side of small one on the other side of the uh mil Brook if you could get to it so there is more expansion over there um but you know the only I

052don't mean to sound um funny about this but if you needed something that big you would know where to put it and and hopefully somebody would actually sell you the land but we this is this is the the deck we were handed so sir I guess just following up on that I I think earlier I remembered seeing something about projections of student enrollment it's actually declining is that for the for the projections of the school is that right or am I misinterpreting something Jeremy yes the entire state of Maine has a projection of declining enrollment and where no we're no different than that again I think there are many factors um you know big factor here is just affordable housing is a is a challenge for us uh and so that has to be part

053of the conversation but in the state formula they look at that 10-year study and they give you a 5% buffer built into that um but there have been projects in the state like Rob said um where other Dynamics change and you know I can give you an example of my time in Westbrook where that was built and constructed as a 6 through eight school it became a 5 through eight school and the third floor was constructed in a way where they could add six to eight classrooms and and that's what they did in that building so very similar to this is Rob and his team no matter what you have for a building would be designed in a way that you could probably stack some classrooms on ends and and whatnot so they prepare you

054for that and and so kind of on that point and just looking at at the schematic here um and where the buildings are positioned was there any thought or or just kind of trying to think creatively a little bit uh of moving those buildings like you had mentioned closer to the the actual SMS where there is you know the fields are currently and then it looks like there's there's no orange to the left of the easement like relocating some of these buildings closer to SMS would that relieve some of the pressure on on this $15 million like would we need to do this 15 million Road by by rearranging some of this stuff or well the the issue with the $15 million road is we there's a significant um concern about the amount of traffic

055that goes to SMS now you know for for for traffic getting in for people on 112 So the the road coming in was more to have second way and that they would actually relieve some of that some of that stress so that that was a big part of that um the other thing is the more we the more closely we move towards SMS the more land we would have to replace someplace um and you get to a certain point where we don't want the middle school kids to have to go past two other schools to get to their baseball field or their soccer field that's being used for gym you know so that was part of the concern is the closer we got to that the more impact that the new school would have on

056the existing program yes also looking at where you have the new the new field that we would probably need to acquire because we take over some of sms's field it's so far away from everything else too that I feel like there would be need to be a parking lot there almost for like after school stuff so because people Park and then walk what I'm going to guess is a you know quarter mile or so to it's it's a really long road to park along too right yeah well that's true you could park along that assuming that it was wide enough but right but that but that's absolutely absolutely true you'd either widen it so you could or you build a parking lot yes we would have to do that there um and and I I

057don't live in Sak I live in I live in Rundle but my my kids over the years have played on S Sako fields and you have a lot of them compared to other schools but they're always used yeah they're so far away but so what I'm saying is is you you make very good use of your fields and stealing one would probably not be a good idea sir I guess just a to follow up on my question so this is the layout for SMS yes I mean B I mean b ballpark that's what yes yes we're not moving okay yeah the the intention is um to we we could tweak this just like the others say we could we could move the building um I honestly think the prek K building would get a little

058bit smaller for either either site I mean we just want to make we want to make sure we were um not picking on one site or or favoring Another We're just trying to make sure we're looking at apples and apples so uh the the the one through five was probably pretty close to what we would end up with but the prek K would probably get quite a bit smaller or or go with a two-story sir I don't know who is there is there another way to get get there from the golf course off of root 5 to here I right yeah so that that was the $9.6 million Connector Road three or four years ago so it would be C certainly be shorter but if it was going to when I when I saw that

059I said well maybe that would make a good driveway for the school but it wouldn't be a connector road because if it became a connector Road I'm not sure you have the school built along it without having significant setbacks towards that subdivision on the right we haven't we haven't investigated that I right that even before we knew what the what This concerns were that was that was our hope that we could do something like that not knowing that the connector was shown there the the other piece on that is that all of the util ilities are on the 112 side of things so your three-phase power your your sewer your waterers all on the other side so you're going to have to you would have to also come up the side of the driveway in

060order to bring the power in which will also create probably some square footage from the federal uh the park piece that would need to be added to the purchase on that yes yes ma'am yes I think I I think I heard you say that if we did if say the axis Road did go in that the schools would have to have a certain setback from the road yes and so that would change everything we'd push it closer to the um development that's behind this again if it was a driveway it wouldn't be as big a deal because it would just before the school but if it was a connector Road um there a lot of challeng es proposals eliminate of the modular that are currently at repeat that no none of those proposals have anything

061to do with Sak middle anything that would be done at s midle for those modular will be a local only cost does so the question is how how long will we have to wait for this to go through the the process of of of getting to this site um versus the the clear site so when we thought we're going and and I'm not I don't mean harp on this but when we thought we were going to sweetzer um the intention was to go to for Concept in June this year um which is actually fairly aggressive for this for this project um with the Clear Sight of everything goes smoothly we might be able to get there but we have we have studies that we have to redo so it might be November next year because

062we were asked to um we just want to we I mean we went through this this process and um and and showed the site and showed the others um before and now that we're we're stepping back because of of this the Sweitzer um modification um we just need to take a look at both of these again and see if you know we started with 20 different 20 different sites and we narrowed it down to six and three that would actually work and now number one isn't there so we're taking a really hard look at number two and number three and and just reassessing because we have because we need to and and uh um so that's why we're that's why we're here the the clear site would would certainly be a lot quicker it's a

063fairly flat site for development I think the state would buy into it um because we've T we actually talked to the state about both of these um just this week and their their concern is about the dollars here and um and about about timing the thing is we we do as Jeremy mentioned we need to bond 2027 um we already have an extension to get to that um it's about a 2 and a half year construction time it's about a 15-month design time so backing up from that if we had the ability to go to get approval a year from now um we would be able to meet that goal if we had to push this back a couple of years you could lose the project you have you have a certain window and and

064to keep it in mind because it's really important is when this goes to the voters um if it doesn't pass you're pretty much done from a timing standpoint so we just have to make sure we've answered every every voter's question beforehand so we can go go for forward um and uh and it's a it's a major undertaking for the state and it's a major undertaking for for the local taxpayers and Rob there's a there's also a big difference in this piece between the black line being a driveway and the black line being a road yes meaning a road that's public use because there's a huge difference in setbacks there's timing there's different permit in uh pieces that the city would have to do which again when we looked at that plan that was I think

065it said in pat pat what did it say in there that was not something that the do was going to or state was going to be involved in city has not any it's really a wait to see knowing how many cars is going to serve exactly where region is coming exit it's pretty hard to put any real numers how many cars be ones it to traff without taking all of that tra is C cut street that we've been trying to around Patrick I ask you another question if this was a driveway where would a connector Road go if this was a driveway what would be the next piece of because the dot shows it exactly like what's drawing let's say you build the school and is a driveway we can't now go through the parking

066lot or the building where in this neighborhood would there be a connector road if we were building a building first which seems like that would be the first part of the timeline you already have CM power work around soon as you put a school driveway because I think as Rob said there'd be quite a difference between where you would locate a school based off your driveway and where you would locate the school based off a major roadway and I think Robbie as we talked about CLA that was 250 300 feet off the road which we could say route one's a big road for us um that wouldn't be here and I know that certainly anybody who would be uh in operations of a school or principal cannot have this be used this driveway as the

067self-made Connector Road in I would think that regular traffic probably wouldn't but a parent on the way to the turnpike to drop their kids off is most certainly going to do that and that's that was my concern around the the squiggly line road that if we built it and it connected to Blake and Shantal that it was just going to automatically turn into one of those crossover streets like King Street or you know any of the streets that people take thinking that it's going to shorten their trip it's just going to automatically become that for anyone coming through dropping a kid or coming through to pick up a kid to go somewhere else and it's just it's just natural that's how it's going to happen or or you'd go into the subdivision on the Southeast

068side or on on the other side if there's a road there it's just they're they're it it's just natural to try to find literally the subdivision and say please get out of the car and run across the field to the school hav done that before sir I'm sorry it's not to mention that you know if we do do a driveway from 112 through SMS we have to buy back all that square footage of the driveway that we put in yes yes sir so anybody who has children in here that goes to SMS or has experienced that uh end of the day that's not exactly a picnic um I do want to thank uh Mr duy in the back of the room room who works in a transportation department the other morning Steve myself uh and

069Meg Parkers we did a trial run of looking at what it would look like if we left the site and we were able to pull off by correct me Patterson Farm Patterson Farm which we were right on the road and we left at 7:45 now typically 74 45 would be the drop time at the elementary school we'd need to drive out the road and I'm going to assume there's going to be a fair amount of traffic so turning left out of that road would have taken us more than zero minutes during that run we did a run down to Ferry Beach to the one of the end points um towards Kenny schs down that way and back we rolled through Thorton academy uh driveway we stopped for a second didn't unload any kids we didn't

070have any kids on the bus and kind of joined traffic back and came to SMS we stopped for zero kids on that route and there was 20 or 21 stops that would have been made 20 stops that would have been made and the timing of that without picking up kids without increased track from parents that would definitely be using the access road was 50 minutes and 19 seconds that means that you're probably going to add at least another 20 so you're 110 on that piece at the same time what we haven't measured and what could be measured is knowing that we would need to have a 745 drop off at the late us at that school which would actually if we were trying to make it work for Middle School on an hour and 10

071would have to be earlier we would need to backtrack and look at the time that we would be putting a kid on the bus on Ferry Road to get there by say let's say 740 is we probably got a bus we got kiddos on the bus at that situation at 6:45 so you know I don't know what traffic will look like when we're going in that all we can gauge upon is what was happening now um so I suspect that if we have kiddos who are getting on the bus at 6:45 like many parents do already uh and we have some buses that K was getting on the bus at 650 they choose to drive any other questions comments it's just a thought that we uh we need Buy in particular Town that's for sure

072and I'm person coming in there not knowing you know better best location or anything so I've heard a lot of negatives on the location obviously with the middle scho I it just seems like overwhelming what are the positives of that situation in other words is there an educational positive to having a campus Because I think people need to be presented with the positives and negatives I'm not so sure that in the Zeal to present something to get moving on that we're presenting a complete picture that that's that's my sense and you do have to have buying from people in town which is a good reason to have this tonight but you're going to need a lot more of that because people do question sometimes right sometimes wrong and uh I'm not sure I have the

073whole picture because there may be traffic problems associated with group one in that area as time goes on too and we haven't gotten into that that could be a problem too got think thank thank you very much and hopefully I don't have to repeat that but I think everybody heard um all all great points but we we really have been working on this for close to a year looking at all these different sites and in more depth and going forward um once we decide on on a site we're going to have to get into the the the technical aspects of of the evaluation pretty quickly sir reason here the time what are the I'm not sure that I'm not I'm not sure that people are going to do that because they've heard so much this

074everything been presented makes it pretty clear that's no good M schol but uh somebody may feel differently who knows something I don't know that but I think you have to you have to step back a little bit and I'd like to hear that too what are we haven't heard and it could be the WR a lot of things come my Poss I can take a stab at paraphrasing some of the things that I know were covered in um some of the meetings that we had on the committee side both from programming and from just site selection and I'm GNA lean on site selection committee people if if I miss something or or or uh it it transformed into something that I remember hearing and it's it was ultimately something different so socer Middle School site

075number one was because the city owns a land okay that was a positive it it was available land in essentially a desert of suitable pieces of property um to put a building um and programming in this configuration anywhere in s it's it's not like suddenly ly Farm's going to become available tomorrow it that's just there AR no pieces of land and that was one of the overwhelming reasons for it to be on the list is because it is available and the city owns it um it had all of the Power and utility uh access albeit from Route 112 which then creates problems in and of itself um in terms of the things that were needed you know the size of the land I mean there was a matrix that was put together by the site

076selection committee that was used to rank the 20 something pieces of property that were looked at um to put this in the top three and so that's I mean that's essentially how this property came to be from a programming standpoint one of the concepts that sort of we've kind of glossed over tonight is you see two buildings the two buildings have complete grade levels in them there's one of the things that was talked about very early on by the programming committee was the design desire to no longer split grades in s not have kids at the same grade level go to two completely different schools potentially get two different experiences and in the case of Fairfield and young right now we have an aging building that's a brick and mortar building and we have an

077extremely aging building that's a bunch of modulars that are pretty much beyond their usable life there's a very different experience in both of those buildings and one of the reasons that these buildings are configured this way where it's complete grades is to try to solve that problem so that every kid in Sako at any given grade level has the potential to have the same experience and so those are positives that are built into this that I know from a you know from someone on on the inside if you will because I was either in many of the committee meetings or I've attended a lot of the workshops some of that stuff was covered and it wasn't covered tonight and it's probably something that maybe we need to include just to make some of these is

078a little more meaningful to people but those are those are some of the positive things that we've applied to this process to get to where we are these top three truly were the top three I mean there were other pieces of property available that had a lot of these um things that were needed but they either weren't available or there were you know there were pieces of property that were available but then get sold I mean the real estate market is insane right now in southern Main and so things that you might think are available because you saw the sign by the time anybody goes and asks it's gone and it's a car dealership or something like that I mean it's it's been challenging to do that so these are truly the three best that

079were out there um I think if a brand new site came along suddenly that was like the perfect site in the world we would be starting this process all over again and all of the Doomsday predictions of it's going to take too long and we're going to get kicked off the list would come to fruition because we wouldn't be able to do vernal pools on that in all likelihood there would be traffic studies that probably wouldn't be able to happen and it just the Stars would not align on another piece of property I mean we truly are down to a situation where if we want to build a school in Sako these are our our two options that's it we had a one that was on the list before this but it's gone and so

080unfortunately we have to move on from that but this these are our options right now to satisfy the programming choice that we're hoping to make and fitting something on a campus so that we can have some amount of maybe you know cross-pollination of of staff that you know are separated by Main Street right now I mean it's try to try to cross Main Street in the middle of the day it's difficult to just go get groceries trying to do that in the middle of the day when you're trying to go from one school to another I mean that's a challenge and it's more than just busing it's it's the whole it's the whole program and so trying to do this this way where we have one building for an entire grade that's intended to solve

081a lot of those problems and so those are the you know if you're looking for positives or the wise of why this that's why I guess I'd also add though that you know just for folks who haven't for members of the public and I've talked to a number of people there just intuitively SMS makes sense you know like just why aren't you building it at SMS and so people who haven't been following it I I totally agree with your point I mean it it we need the community's buyin ultimately and it's you know tech there are a lot of technical reasons why SMS isn't a good fit but a lot of people who aren't following the process and then they come to the the question or in the leadup to it um I just I

082think that that your points are are are definitely valid and and I think we need to to do better and and talk some of that stuff through because ultimately it is the citizens of Saku have to make the choice and I know from talking to people intuitively that it's for some it makes sense to have a true campus and then you got to explain this whole Litany of reasons why and that all makes sense to people but but at a high level um I've heard from a lot of people that oh well SMS that's that would be perfect so I I hear what you're saying and I think I think that's definitely valid yeah I just want to make just one other point that that that I think one of the weaknesses in our community

083it's not by purpose but it works that way we're disjointed in this fact that we have a private school Running part of the program and we have you know the rest of it through um separately um and what comes to my head is that the communications is really important so I don't know whether that how that affects in this picture at all of having a campus style thing I don't know I I do know that other communities that they have done that I know that in where where my my son lived in Brook Massachusetts they they very much go to this campus St but uh I don't know I I just don't know but people are going to to ask that kind of question what are the advantages of having campus style thing is it

084worth some of the other things and people's intuitive notion whether it's right or wrong what they like in terms of location and so it's going to come up and I I don't have it just comes up that you can't make it simpler than it is you're Run problems and we don't need that long all theion thanks I want breath your beverage appreciate that thank you oh sorry I've been on this side of the uh microphone before uh recently so thank you Mr Mayor school board members superintendent ladies and gentlemen uh I am Joe gun Sako City councelor for w 3 um as I was invited here tonight along with my fellow counselors um it was informally as a workshop even even though that's not on the agenda I uh in the spirit of that I

085um I i' like to submit my views as I stand at this time for the council the school board and the relevant committee's consideration from the get-go I have sought to honor the spirit of the process and the division of labor that was established of a process of planning a new school in whatever form it took personally I felt the situation had too many cooks as it was so why muck it up with my two cents especially after the impression was given from the beginning that the school department wanted us on the the council to stay out of the proceedings in spirit in the spirit of wanting some process really any process after what has now been a full generation of fits and starts that up until recently added up to nothing for our kids

086and their parents I was more than happy to keep my mouth shut if it helped our kids in any way to get to a new school now has been requested by the superintendent that the um that the mayor and the council quote get on the record about the process that has been made so far or lack thereof depending on your perspective I will respond based on the knowledge of the situation I have gathered by keeping this process at arms length first off I'd like to make a brief comment about sweetzer it would have been a perceived conflict of interest had I commented while the organization was still in the running due to a family member being in a senior staff position but now that they have bluntly rejected the school Department's interest I shall proceed

087they have provided immeasurable service to the residents of this city over the years and I hope that our beneficial relationship continues well into the future I accept the unanimous decision of their CEO and board of directors not to go forward with the sale of their property and I call on any members of the school commit School Community who have not done so to do so a private entity has made its decision it does it does neither the school department nor the city as a whole any benefit not to accept their decision regardless of what hope for an alternative result was fostered by individuals in that organization that as demonstrated did not have the authority to speak for that organization as a whole which brings us to the matter of the proposed School construction site my

088understanding is that officially the overall order for site preference as stated by the players involved are sweeter which is out the CLA parcels and S Middle School only that really isn't accurate the word out there is that the superintendent I don't mean this personally just as a matter of course even at this juncture is opposed to the SMS location that that as it stands now the Clare Parcels are the only place under serious consideration by the school department if that is the case is the purpose of this meeting simply for the superintendent to refute the arguments either in favor of s middle school or another to be determined site in favor of Claire if that is the case I will state that I am not convinced that the location of the new school in the

089Clare Parcels is prudent for the long-term needs of sako's families putting their children through the K through 8 grades or some combination thereof furthermore I find arguments against against the SMS site location based on what possibly in environmental impact study which was never carried out could discover to impede an effort towards choosing SM SMS an argument that lacks both Merit and calls into question if the site was ever seriously considered from the beginning if that is the case then why continue to hold it out as a legitimate Choice when enough people supposedly back the preferred choice I must come to the conclusion that as a discussion was not sought that a discussion was not sought but rather a blessing from us the council the body that will ultimately decide if this goes to the voters

090now while I do not believe that we should let the uh perfect be the enemy of the good we should also not let the expedient become the enemy of the result that was the cause of the sweetzer Fiasco I get it after nearly 30 years we all want this done some of us at all costs I do not share that need to rush no matter how close on this we are now I have an open mind I am not convinced on Claire and S Middle School is better than at What the residents have voiced previously in wishing to preserve the community school model but both have their issues that being said I will remind everyone that the s that the Saku city council is not a rubber stamp if the council is given something that

091makes no sense for the future of this city and and its kids for the next 75 to 100 years the voting it through in the name of expediency would be a grave mistake and a disservice to those who have sent us here thank you for your attention I appreciate the time thank you to to Joe's point I I I think it would be prudent to have a conversation like more detailed regarding timeline we've talked about it kind of in general but can we have a kind of a deep discussion about the timeline and what need to happen because I think that might help clarify some things I also just would like to say and just responding to you Joe not only as the superintendent of schools and as a parent and Community member here lived

092in Sako 15 years have kids in the school system that know I have been 100% clear that the SMS would not be my preferred site for a school and I have there's no nothing uh the mayor and I had a very spirited conversation at the end of last meeting where we've talked about how public officials that it's been it's very difficult to sit in the chair and go to several meetings that we've had been at burn school I think twice Fairfield School in SMS and we were working on the sweetzer piece and the and the and the sweetzer and the CLA and the SMS The Matrix were laid out in in all of those about what the order of preference of the working committees were and in none of those meetings was SMS even talked

093about like nobody in those meetings said hey I think SMS is the best site so to be to go through that process of having a ranking and certainly as a community member and a parent you're going to have your own personal piece we met as a program committee and I look at Carrie a little bit who's sitting over there Carrie L moth who's been a longtime teacher and we talked about the benefits of having one through uh five in prek on the same site and making it seem still very Elementary we've talked about the value of those classrooms that were built and pass out behind SMS and how we could be a community if we had a different site that could have outdoor education being part of our curriculum prek through that seems exciting to

094me I know I've got a son who really loves that St the standards based team at SMS and would have loved it going through and looking at all of the science pieces that we have on that I obviously jump to the logistics and when I think about kids on a bus for an hour and 10 minutes and crossing and traffic and all of those pieces I think that it's important that if elected officials here in the city have a preference let's put it out on the table we talked very very greatly about a connector road is this about a connector Road or a school and if it's about a connector Road and that solves a problem for the city great but there's a lot of work that we sent a letter to the city to

095Patrick and to Brian who I've been in great conversations with that if that needs to happen we need to have plans on the Connector Road if that's the truth piece that we're trying to put across so that then we can tailor the School design and construction to that road do we need to wait another seven or eight years our time the the Power Ball ticket expires at that point in time it is enough it is it is a great gift it is a great gift for us no I I don't think is unbelievable when do communities have the opportunity to have 50 plus million dollar come from the taxpayers to support a school building the list happens every 10 to 15 years they used to in the past when construction prices were much lower they

096used to get down into a dozen 16 schools we're probably in the 8 to 10 range if we're lucky a lot of that is because of the debt ceiling and the construction costs if if we're also talking about the SMS site because this was the third choice and we didn't have those discussions because with the sweetzer site you didn't have a lot of conversation about the community like the the neighbors involved because there's not a lot of Housing and Development in that piece we have not had any conversations with the ward and the traffic concerns like we need would reset and have some of those that's going to take time because we just haven't had that discussion we talk about the program piece whether it be about fields that you would have to move and

097how does that impact the middle school when we think about connector roads and Rob always talks about buses going through and um leaving things off uh and having parents that would want to bring kids to the elementary school into the middle school at the same time and I would look to my middle School principal and I would say oo that would be really challenging for the school to start at 7:45 on the elementary side of things knowing that if parents made one trip they're probably not going to make two so what happens with all of the middle school kids that are sitting in the cars how does that leave us for coverage for care for walking all of those pieces so there's a lot of different pieces that go into this and certainly from my

098experience of being a superintendent of schools and running schools for a while there's one lens that you look through there's a Community member lens we look at the cost lens that I know many taxpayers in this town are going to have concerns with I go back to the same item that that we talked about beforehand is that we haven't even talked about programs and amenities outside of the building which again I still say that a theater could be a very important piece for this Comm community and for the school programming all of those are additional add-ons Fields parkings all of those spaces those are the real core things that going to be great about building a school not the site we have to take into consideration all of the utilities where the growth is what

099it's going to look like how we're going to get there how we're going to get back and so no my job is not to pick the site that's their job certainly is superintendent of the schools enjoy running schools enjoy being part of that process as a community member and the superintendent excited to get this going we've spent we I started a year ago that July and we started almost immediately meeting with the state you mentioned what how many false starts this has had I think it's incumbent on each and every one of us here in this room not to have any more false starts we need to complete this figure out where it's going to be but if they're going to be in certain pieces of the neighborhood or if we're looking to accomplish certain

100things we have to put that on the table and have those discussions and do it right if we're looking at a connector Road and and I know that well yeah if we need if this is about a connector Road in traffic we got to figure that out like I need to know how long is it going to take to do this how what do we have for land we don't have the land right now we don't have the land Mr Mayor first really quick thank you um I come up I'm coming up to the microphone because I've been getting text from my wife saying she can't hear people so wise wise decision uh I'm for those who don't know I'm Jim perie I'm uh the city council for w 2 um I have a couple

101of questions I'll save those for the end first of all I just wanted to say thank you uh for this evening uh been a lot of good information presented and I really really wish we had done this a lot sooner but um and well as as Joan uh had said I have stayed pretty much as far away from this as possible simply because my my daughter works for sweetzer So to avoid any appearance of any anything inappropriate um the questions I have are if if I understood what was being said earlier and it's obvious that there's going to be some some land acquisition involved in either either either of these either of these scenarios um if I remember the number right you said that was probably going to be about 20 acres with the SMS

102site B part okay and uh I don't don't remember the acreage of the the land that would have to be bought for the Clair Parcels does anybody have any idea okay so I mean in the same okay that you would have that we would have to acquire yeah all all together would be okay all right 21 21 thank you uh and just the other question was uh you were discussing the uh the busing and you had had timed from SMS for the pickup and drop off I was just curious if you had done the same for uh the clar parcels or are you assuming that it would probably be the same as as what squeezer was so it would be very similar to what the sweetzer site was one of the pieces that makes it

103a little bit more interesting when you think about transportation from any of the from while the sweetzer site or from uh the CLA site or the SMS site is the biggest challenge is that now you're taking all of your prek through five kids and everybody from this part of town now needs to cross Ro Main Street go up to that area and then for that second run go back so the other day when I talked about um the the the run that we did with Steve is that from the side of the road at Patterson's Farm not counting a driveway and getting to where we would turn to go through the lights we went through the lights down here on Main Street by where you would turn to go to Burns 12 minutes 12 minutes

104just for that with no driveway no additional traffic no turning left outside of that school so what part of the difference is is that in either of the other two sites whether that was sweetzer and or CLA you're not bringing that traffic across Main Street across route one and then having to go back because those buses from either side of town would Converge on that site be able to stay pretty much and return quickly to their portion of the of that piece the other piece that was a little bit uh when you think about the circulation throw if you think of um where sweer was and it with CLA is that for some buses you would quickly continue to go to Route One Hit flag Pond Road head into norak you'd have other buses that

105would probably go directly straight across the road through the industrial park piece and service that young school piece of town what I think would be interesting for the as you think about Ferry Road piece is would you continue down Route One and take a left kind of before hanford's and head into parts of Old Orchard that way to hit the big distance or you could jump on the spur into Old Orchard and come back across which it probably I think that would be faster and we can Steve and I we can take another morning and do some of that work um but there would also be a a a a large Port of of our buses that pick up off that route one kind of behind Dairy Queen would continue down one and hit there

106now also in all of these you have to think about the timing of dropping off at Thorton Academy and then getting back to your next site um so there's a lot of different pieces when you look at the transportation piece of how you make that work because if we have rides that are an hour and a half an hour and 10 minutes to an hour we will have to look at spreading that time enough for for start and stop of of the school day uh and whether parents want you know there are always problems with that do I anticipate that we would have more bus drivers based off the last several years of the the availability for any school in the nation to get bus drivers no I don't just don't I don't think that

107you can come out of this decision and say oh yeah we're going to add seven bus routes um because we have all we barely have the ability now to fill what we have what we have um thank you and uh uh just one one other observation god um I uh I'm really happy to see that the uh well know both plans and whichever way whichever way this goes um includes uh two schools with full grades you know the the K and the prek and K and then the then the one to five uh that was something that concerned me as far as uh other options that had been laid out so thank you thank you Kevin yeah just uh to come back to the why we meeting tonight the the purpose of this meeting is

108basically a reset from a previous meeting where we took the information that came back from the committee that they had ranked and made a decision on which property we thought was the one that we wanted to move forward with as a school board so that one is no longer available so we have to do it all over again um these these two being the two um is basically the the purpose of this meeting is to go through through that all over again again I had a question um regarding the SMS site what would be the cost associated with um you know doing the the testing that needs to be done and could could we do testing simultaneously at both sides and actually in addition to that if if say the SMS site proved itself you

109know I I don't know if it works this way or not but you start doing the testing and it's clear that it's just not going to you know uh MoneyWise or just environmentally not be doable I mean could you stop the testing and kind of just you know what I mean just have it bear that out I mean I think I know what I'm trying to say yeah yes I do um so just just to to be clear when we narrowed it down to three sites we negotiated with the state to allow us to do Vernal pool testing on all three sites they only usually allow you one maybe two but we wanted to take a look because Vernal pool testing has to be in April there's some magic night when all the frogs get

110together and you have to catch that specific night to do the Vernal pool testing um and so we did it on on all the sites and we we did take a hard look at at those sites and and a couple more that that had significant problems for traffic standpoint or or whatever um and we did have of um Wetland testing available on cair we didn't do that on cair because it was already available the city had some we would have to redo that and we would have to um do the same thing in SMS as far as Wetland as far as Wetlands um we did walk both of them and and I said this before and I mean it frankly when we first got in invited to help the city with the project I really

111like the Saku Middle School site I thought it would be great to have a campus there but the more we tried to squeeze in all the programs especially with two buildings um onto that site and stay away from the power lines and stay away from the wetlands back we didn't know the wetlands testing but if you've ever walked out back you can kind of a sense of where they are um and there's quite a bit but the the biggest the biggest problem we had was being able to get there from route five and and honestly when that came off the table that was the big deal yeah from what from what I'm hearing there's a lot of uncertainty regarding SMS and you know if we want wanted to try to move along with us ands

112like how long we be spinning our Wheels like trying to figure out if you know a the road from five and you know we we've been working on that for quite a while I mean honestly because we really did take a hard look at all three and and we've had we've had awful lot of of meetings with a lot of lot of people that are here at at the meetings and um and uh we we didn't we didn't take it lightly as far as the direction we were going with with with sweetzer um and or nor with with Claire I mean honestly I was not a big fan of the idea of route route one but once we saw how we get off Route One to get to it and you can come back out

113through the the industrial park to get out of there we came up with a solution that would make it safer and the site is a lot it's a lot flatter I mean it's just a much more buildable site than MSA and so if you've been to the Middle School the the Ballfield up back which would have to be replaced someplace another uncertainty just not knowing that you could purchase repurchase the land too that you would use going in but right I mean assuming that we could buy the land from Star homes and it's about 20 acres we could probably make it work but um that's a that's a big deal to to replace that um and just taking the program away and we have staff members whose kids have gone through Saka schools and they're

114fortunately grown and but still live here in Sako the idea of losing those fields that close to the Sako Middle School was a real problem from a program standpoint so the re was question why we're still looking at at the Middle School site it's because we're asked to and and look at it hard because um you know we want to make sure we we get a vote for this project whatever that vote is I'm getting the sense from you at least what I'm hearing that if we were to continue seriously looking at SMS we're not going to like what or we're not going to that's just a sense that I get from I think I think we're already there I mean honestly I I was really disappointed we we we couldn't go there because I

115really did like the ad of a campus we but you're under the opinion that it's it's not worth kind of taking a deeper dive into at this point is what this is what I'm I don't think so and right now if if if if we you know if the Connector Road was already in and we could attach to it you know maybe but the you know your question before was about timeline the timeline you know the the bond happens when the school um is already designed and you've got a contractor with a price and you've agreed to it that's when the bonding happens it's going to be two and a half years to build the building it's going to give you about 15 months to go through the permitting and doing concept design so we're

116we're and and even we can't really do fullon concept design until we know what the site is the other thing I gathered from you is even if we wanted to move forward with SMS is that we would like we would go to the state and we wouldn't have everything that we would need to to move forward so then where does that leave us you know right and we've talked to the state about SMS and and and made a made a strong argument in both directions and the biggest issue um that we heard from them was was the the Connector Road or not a connector Road or the the $15 million road to the school I mean just there was a lot of push back on this but the other mention thing you mentioned about this

117the middle school as much as I like the the amount of grade change out back so if you follow the the fields which have already been narrowed down and they're already flattened so yeah you mentioned there have to be some sort of I don't know what it's termed Hill mitigation or whatever I don't I I'm sure there's cost associated with with taking that land and changing the grade of it it's where we're showing the green there on on the on the site is amazingly hilly and there's Wetlands that you can just walking through you're going to see it we're not showing you there because we haven't done the analysis yet but there are wetlands in there so you'd be taking in order to get away from some of that you'd have to go back and

118steal the fields which is actually going to take away program for the middle school so I wouldn't want to go any further than the practice field because um in order to fit on here because that's really going to mess up your program educationally you know for not just ball games afterwards but fiz head so it's it's a big deal and bottom line I mean we've got these two sides and that's it I mean it's not like we have anything else so I mean looking at this logically I right I don't know seems like Claire is you know the best choice I mean I I I'd have to agree with you and and just from a a technical standpoint we really have it might not feel like it but we've been working on this a long

119time and we took a look at all three as hard as we could and when it was decided to go with with the one that we're not going with anymore we spent some more time but whatever had to be done to move forward um like the the veral pools we did for all three sites actually the fourth site and the other thing as far as traffic we'd have to do that before November do is a cut off date are there any particular um I don't know pitfalls that we could run into as far as the clar side's concerned you know get going all right we're going to do this site and then we're moving along and then all of a sudden something just you know we we don't Envision any um we're we would try

120to get a level one s evaluation the environmental review right away and we've actually yeah so we get a proposal for for both but yeah uh we already are on that because so again when when that first option went away we scrambled because we don't want to again looking at this completely objectively I mean I don't know I don't know how you can look at it any other way I mean right right I so I mean you just look at that Big Field out behind SMS and you say why why why couldn't we build it out there well when you when you look at the steep slopes and what you have to do with the with the federal government and with the program with both buildings going in there and how big the buildings and

121site components and parking are it just doesn't fit I just one one last comment I mean wherever we put a school it's going to be a benefit to the Community you know whe whether it's at wherever it is I mean it's going to be a benefit to Sako so absolutely um you know to not have it would be a would be um look forward to that yeah sorry um I was hoping to have you kind of the last slide of the um just to make it show the comparison of the two properties somebody had made a beautiful that's it beautiful spreadsheet just like how to give you a visual I'm a visual person I like to see things so just I don't know if it seems like we've rehashed most of what's on there but

122I don't know if there's any points we've missed um Can can everybody read that I'm not a big fan of Death by PowerPoint but um I I can read it if you want so uh the Saka Middle School okay so city owns all the property necessary to fit the program for the prek K and 1 through five schools suck M sites no and Portland Road um is also no so we need to buy some land for both probably about the same amount of square of acreage well then mapping has been performed no for Sako Middle School yes for um for the what we call the CLA site it's actually the city purchased a whole bunch of there's a lot of different Lots involved with with that um the significant veral pools have been delineated on

123the site um yes from the sa middle school there were none on the um uh no significant ones on the clar site but there was a big one out back at in the Middle School uh straightforward access Drive location options uh no on the Saka middle school and yes on the Portland the8 any1 Portland Road environmental site assessment performed no no steep slope mitigation required to develop the school suck Middle School uh is yes um and the Clear Sight is no there's some steep grades out behind but not where we put the school um and the stream Crossings required at access driveways uh the middle school is yes and the clear site is no thank you you're welcome sir so just a two kind of final questions for me I guess this process has always

124kind of seemed peculiar to me that at least with Claire now that property owner um seems to have a lot of Leverage over us and after this discussion of SMS uh in terms of of the price that they set now I understand that's you had mentioned that there's an appraisal and and the state will pay up up to the appraisal but the seller doesn't have to sell it for the appraised value right and whatever that difference is this the city will make up um if they choose to if they right exactly and so I guess um kind of following along on the timeline and next steps with that you had mentioned in November we're going try to do by November there's going to be a traffic traffic study yes and then the environmental work is

125happening now or ASAP yes yes so on the on the real estate transaction portion of it what what is the next step there and if that falls through are we saying now that we're not going to do SMS and we've just lost all this money well what one of the options that that nobody seems to want to think about is is if with a with the Clear Sight we have a rway to the to the the site that the city owns so the CLA site additional um land makes it better for us um but if we if we didn't have that we could easily put a single school there we could potentially put another school on the other side of the stream I I would rather not do that but uh it's conceivable you could

126do that um on the Middle School site you could also put a single building there and not be as crowded with with everything going on but you still need to have an access point from the back so we do have options I think we do if we don't I think we do come to an agreement with the price on on the property those 20 acres that we need to acquire yes yeah Claire yeah okay yes sir so the Vernal pool testing has not been done on the CLA site and you were talking about that being done in April no no no it has been done and the reason it says no is because we didn't find any oh okay and does that include the property that we would be purchasing yes perfect true yes superintendent

127Ray to will Gail's point one of the pieces so that I will advise you as superintendent of schools is if you have to put two elementary schools on separate sites the transportation piece of that will create another challenge because you're going to be busting kids from both sides of town and have to have to kind of hop that will have to be done very creatively to get back out there that would be a challenge too I was going to say that would be worse than it is right now because they'd be even further away uh the schools are than the schools are right now right if you had schools on different properties different parts of town when right now they're like a straight shot yeah you you add in another Direction and it's well you

128take burns out of play theoretically right what becomes the piece there is that if those other two sites were very far apart that would be the challenge if you were like within a mile or so you in reasonable traffic that's probably not that big of a deal um Sako doesn't have reasonable traffic unless it's 4:00 a.m. right exactly but one of the pieces that we've talked with you know in both of these scenarios is Rob and I have had a lot of discussions about what drop C would look like um and you know are there ways that you kind of like on this one you kind of see like the it almost looks like a racetrack do you have the ability to drop at one school and then kind of pull forward and drop kids

129and actually the people who would be in the front would do kind of a lap around because one of the things that I really dislike is when you see kids kind of loading buses and heading backwards you really want to kind of keep as much of that in front of you as you possibly can versus going backwards so that's um something about that style of Bus drop off that I really like um along the lines of busing um I've always been a fan of the SMS location because of the community aspect the campus Style I don't like either sweetzer or CLA because of the industrial aspect um no walkability those types of things but when I look at the Clare Parcels now knowing that that's first on the list do you think that going forward

130there potentially could be an or a decrease in personal drop off which is going to relay an increase in extra Transportation because I look at the CLA and its location parents going to be willing and especially knowing that there could potentially only be a right turn onto Route One or going through the commercial aspect of milbrook to get out they're either going to have to continue forward to Scaro to the turnpike or backtrack all the way to s to the turnpike there could be a potential in decrease of parents saying it's not worth it on their time because of the inconvenience of the distance to the access and even going down the Industrial Park Road to come back up you're still I I I don't see that aspect of it working in transportation wise and

131so I I see this as Transportation wise is a better alternative because again as you look at the SMS piece and you're thinking about elementary schools and based off the access we have now because there is no Connector Road or plan to go through you're running all of that back towards Route five which means that if you were getting to the interstate from there now you've got to weave through all of the all of those side streets and then for any of us who like I live on Sky I live on Skyline and going to the interstate is not exactly the most fun experience or if you live on Skyline and now you have to go to SMS where you kind of go out and you got to turn left that's not exactly a fun

132experience at 5:00 during um trying to get your kid to practice so I don't see that that piece I actually think this makes it pretty easy because your your traffic who is going to go to Portland at 7:45 in the morning is probably just going to turn right continue up through through and go through scar BR that would be my guess if you were going or if you needed to go south towards the interstate you'd come through milbrook you'd have a light right there that would get you straight across by the Jeep dealership and you would hop out and jump right on the interstate after you know a mile through the industrial park um so I actually think that that piece is probably going to be a little bit better so I currently in bitterford

133as you know have three elementary schools uh two elementary schools on the street and one of those and the middle school is on that street which is in an industrial park and our traffic goes two ways there it's the people who are heading back into town and they head out towards West Street and then the other large group of people who go through the industrial park and go right across route one and go immediately to the interstate so I would see this piece as that happening where people would come out of milbrook go right across and hit the interstate that way I think you also look at 7:45 a.m. in the morning and probably the traffic going back into Soo on Route One is not that heavy right now so if you are so the

134traffic from scarbro to to Sako is not that heavy in the morning time so if you did take a left right there you're probably pretty quickly getting to the interstate that way too and jumping on right before hanford's you know right there by Aroma Joe's and you'd be looking at light at milbrook light at the movie theater and then a light uh right there by gorm bik and ski and then your right hand turn to the interstate which could take you in several different locations I actually think that's probably going to be pretty quick in the morning time um whereas in the situation at SMS I don't know that that's going to be quick in either way because if you're going to come out a mile and a half road if that's one option to

135hit five then you're going to funnel everything from five into those smaller side streets if you come out the other direction you know that you're going to have 112 traffic now there could be an exchange there we don't know what that would look like and what that will do for traffic but that would be um another situation as well I think one of the pieces that will be a major player is anyone who has older kids what happens with those kiddos do they come do they not go um I don't know that it will be push more people toward busing either way um I just think those times have changed like I don't know that parents are and families are going to make that decision to stop transporting their kiddos to school it seems something

136pretty ingrained and you know I've had five or six years of dropping off at young school and even in the elementary one middle and but I I think even though where's the straight shot now you're by the time you're dropping off at Young School you've got another 45 minutes before your middle school kids coming to school um and if parents are taken to work I I think we see our ridership if if you look at actually we're talking about Transportation a little bit later and our highest bus totals of kids registered are actually with middle school and high school kids and versus elementary kids any other questions comments I believe we should move on to item uh 3C which is next steps that's what I was going to ask if you were going to do

137superintendent Ray what are the next steps that need to be done or maybe Rob from oako next steps uh to be completed or studies to be completed number one C1 or I should say 3c1 uh or 3c2 site selection and timeline we want to talk about those sure I talk it briefly um we we just want to get going on one of the sides just there's an awful lot of work to do so the next steps are are of to to know where we're going and and if if we can do that then we can get back on track and meet the meet the goals of the state and and and the the the people with kiddos to get the school done sooner um if if we going to look at two different sites and

138we need to um get going on those the state's not going to support that s additional cost that somebody's have to approve with with consultants and Wetland studies that sort of thing but um if if we go if we go to uh I think we go to SMS and and I know we don't want to just rush into things but I I'm not sure if if we have a good solution that we're rushing into things so I think it would just be good if we can continue the states give us give us a little bit of a breather but they want us to meet our meet our goals or or go on to the next school so that that's kind of the next step is to hopefully if somebody besides me decide on which school

139we're going to go which site it's going to be superintendent Ray are you looking for a vote from the school board to choose a site uh like uh like the school board did uh with the sweeta parcel or are you just I I think that until we answer some of the questions certain things are not going to go away if the school commune picked to site tonight not sure everybody in this room is going to be happy but we had conversation that there's definitely still some energy from people about SMS and Rob in oako can't design a building unless we know if that's a driveway or a connector Road can't do it it looks different right now it's neither it's a $15 million road going through the easement that we have so unless we have

140land or if we know that it's going to be a road or a driveway we can't even move forward on that site so that there has to be some discussion about what it is going to be if people want to really consider that site as the alternative we have to have some direction from whatever the body that it is of what we're dealing with because there are very different designs that would have to take place which would lead us into if it's a road road Rob and his team needs to set that school back further which means we have to go up and look at more ball field which means we have to have a site for ball field to go if it's just a driveway you might take a different Appo approach you may

141have a land or property owner that has a very different feeling if we're approaching this again to ask them to say we're looking for a road or we're looking for a driveway we need to figure out what we're going to do if that's in consideration anymore driveway and I'm and I'm assuming that you probably would also want some sort of access road for between the two buildings based off fire trucks police deliveries so that impacts that piece as well so might not access connector but they still going to have to access full school I think from a safety standpoint that would definitely be required you're probably just not going to have a field in between with no ability to get there you would also be thinking about you know you'd need to think and plan

142about um Ryan's parks and recck crew and Public Works crew of any work that they would need to get in between those buildings for mowing so that would also be additional square footage that we would have to meet into a purchase at the same time just thinking about Rob calls it program but thinking about our Middle School fed Athletics Little League all of those pieces that access those fields um when you think about like I know that there's plenty of fields and you can always make more Fields but if I know that when my kiddos are up there in the springtime doing little league both fields are full and youth lacrosse is down on the back field uh doing practice so there's a lot of moving parts that would need to be part of purchasing

143another piece of land okay so my suggestion was basically going to be that we do what the process has you know kind of dictated that we do the building committee site selection and uh and programming have put forth some recommendations that they scored already in terms of their um viability for for you know fitting the the concept that we want um and that's what we started off with the last time and that's how we ended up arriving at sweetzer because that was the one that was at the top of everyone's list so I think we really have what's left before us is starting with the Matrix that was it's not up there now but the one that was in that presentation that's the starting point of the pros and cons of the two sites that

144we have left and we really have to just look at it from the standpoint of the data that we have okay both sites city-owned but require additional land purchases one more probably than the other because of the fields we have both sites that have power one is more challenging to get to than the other I mean it's we basically are down to looking at the data that we've been presented and making a decision based on that I mean the off-ramps are from this process we come to a conclusion of a site and a configuration that that we want to put forth and that goes to the voters they vote Yes or No Yes we get a school no we get no school if we drag our feet more and and hope for data that and

145or land that isn't going to appear and lose our opportunity the only path is no school so we have we have all the pieces of information we need to make a decision right now and I'm comfortable having you know further discussion about which of these Rises to the top as having the most Merit but I don't I don't think waiting for additional information to come along for either a third site to appear or one of these to float to the top more so than it may have already is is coming I I just don't I mean time is of the essence I mean I can't be any clearer than that this is this is a dire situation if we don't feel like we can make a decision about this it's we're talking about a a

146school construction process that we get help from the state or it's on our dime all of it not a little bit all of it and so I mean we really need to look at this with open eyes and and understand that this is a tremendous opportunity okay it doesn't come by again that this is this is our opportunity to do something to solve building problems that we have in town and a whole host of other problems um and you know we we can't we can't just keep sitting around waiting any further comments just to follow up what saying yes a matrix but I believe for me separating myself as a resident and as a counselor I would like I think a matrix of cost is what it's going to come down to right now neither

147site is perfect they both have their issues whether it's traffic access what neither site is perfect so what it's going to the information that I've gotten tonight I want to see cost what is if we did SMS putting the road in the numbers that director Fox gave us 15 million 9 million okay we have to buy property on both sides what let's get the cost of the properties that's what it's going to come down to because again neither site you know at this point right now the information tonight but we be right it's a dire situation and we need a school there there's no way around it what is the city going to let's find Solution that's going to cost the city okay how do you want to proceed well we know I love a

148good spreadsheet so we can put some colors on that too Rob green red um I I I do want I hear what you're saying 100% because I kind of think that way a whole lot too because um from the beginning of all of the 27 sites there was never the same the the the initial picture that you have in your head wasn't these I'll be very clear wasn't for me and I'm not sure it was for any of those because you all have this like idea that you're driving into the middle of the town There's a 40 acre field and it's wide open and the Sun's shining and we have a picture like we had a burn school on opening night with a rain like I mean that was what you want I think one

149of the pieces you have road to consider here you also the piece that I would want to connect with raw but I'm pretty sure that when we take some of the park site that there's no way we're going to get get money back for that piece of land from the doe to purchase that I don't I I I really can't say we'd have to it would be a struggle but as far as buying the additional land it I I just don't know but just in in short numbers you don't have to do a road over over clear and depending on which number you look at it's it's 10 million or 15 to20 million more than to to build a middle the middle school without the disruption that you I just think you're G to have

150a lot of disruption as much as I like that initially the am if you take away some of the fields you're going to disrupt the program and how you're going to use the middle school forever is significant the the other piece that you know certainly we can put something together you have to people have to understand their estimates um but one of the more difficult pieces in all of this is that if you you're looking to do two projects which I think that very clearly our committees thought about the equity for all situation you were some of those and others were or yeah we thought about equity for all to make sure that was different when you also look at the Middle School site and think about what may be paid for from the state

151in either of these situations and may be local we also probably going to have to consider the considerable more groundwork for the slope fill and cut at the Middle School site that may be very difficult for us to estimate um but I'm sure Rob and his team can do it you you certainly do it but without actually designing this the school it's it's going to be Fuzzy Math so we will certainly do that but it will do whatever you want um and we could make either site work but I just want to make sure that uh if you're looking at actual numbers I think the state's going to be contributing between 50 and $65 Million by the time we're done on this project is that a question for the superintendent or for oako uh yeah

152I'd like an answer too I have a theoretical answer so the question um if I can don't paraphrase this the right way correct me is would utilizing the S Middle School site as part of a campus limit our ability to make changes to S Middle School that that what you asked okay and so I where this project and Concepts that were put together don't touch so Middle School at all right now there's nothing that's directly being done however I and here's the my theory question um that I have is would it be easier in the long run if we were to utilize State funds to build the majority of that project on our ability to do stuff with s Middle School what it would be easier if we utilize the state funds to help us

153with this project versus not doing any of that and then we build a school on our own and then think we're going to end up being able to do so Middle School I I you know I think just knowing how you know budgets go from time to time over the years I I would think that if we were to assume we're just going to do this all on our own and build these other schools that we're going to be right back where we've been in the past where you know we just don't have the money available to do some of those things I mean I it's one of those theoretical questions you know I can't say that that's truly what it is but I think that the assistance from the state to help us build

154this concept helps us in the long run by relieving pressure that we would have on our budget around facilities I think the fields would probably be more more of the hindrance than than whether these buildings are there the other piece that's important to know about the Sako Middle School site and we've talked about it and we kind of focused on the fields but everything including parking except for that building is under the land conservation piece so anything that you do like Marie and I and Patrick and Ryan and I I we like okay how do we even do a bus loop around like could you do a Bus Loop to improve traffic or like we would run into some problems with doing that so anything that happens on that site has to be replaced somehow

155um which will always be a challenge no matter what we do I would also just to get back to your question is that the best point of reference that I could give you about cost is that for bford high school which was locally funded was about $35 million that added about a dollar to the mill rate when that went through that would be my best history from the past okay so it looks like we'll continue the discussion to the next meeting with some numbers coming from the superintendent's office uh that's my understanding of where we are and the site site selection committee will will continue to do their hard work uh at their meetings so is it possible to have that in time for whatever our next meeting is in a couple of weeks superintendent

156Ray would it be possible to have some cost estimates by the September what 28th meeting oh I'm asking Jeremy but I'm kind of looking at Rob because I think that's where Pat his hand up for a [Music] second to serve thatat ask wild we forw Rec with estimate milon lot of caveat people who don't want to buy that number have a lot of Reas not because manys way now we ended up for that $1,000 to get full design and we were within 00,000 so we did a pretty good job to get are call a for that round a lot ofn think I was gonna say can you do worst case scenario like the highest the highest projection just to be like oh it's going to be it's going to be 4 million for that but

157then in reality it comes out to like 3.2 and we're like hey so problem e and we took a lot of grief because we everybody saying no you're not going to get this because we're too rich Community fin get on list let's not blow and all I'm hearing again tonight is a lot of but just I had to get this because like I said we took a lot of grief for four years when I was on counil try to push this off time to on this heard just just to throw it throw it out so if we had a a road on the on the back of a napkin four years ago that cost $9.6 million and this one's 50% longer and I would say it's going to be$ 15 to2 million differential between between

158the site on Route One and the back of SMS without even running the numbers we have we have enough numbers to look at if the building was the same to build in both spots I think it would actually be cheaper clar but if the building was the same the differentiator is that road and the the road is going to be $5 to20 million so there there's your wild ask G excuse me so it sounds it sounds like the differentiator is the road plus the complexity of that site I mean there's not as much with the Clare parcel it's flat it's fairly easily accessed and we don't have to replace any thing to use it we have to buy land but we don't have to you know then go through a a federal process to determine

159whether or not the piece that we want to put something else on is app is acceptable to them so I mean it seems to me like the clar side is it's the the clear front runner just because it is less complex to work with any other comments one point does to stay but that said responsib we got to ramp up those conversations that owner is already City Mr Mayor just just a point of clarity so for the for the purpose of this evening's discussion we absolutely have two sites but when we get to handing something off to the state we're only going to give them one site that's the process they and so that's I think that's where the the gray line is is with a lot of people around well what are we really

160talking about I mean the process requires us to present a concept and a site it's not a concept and pick your favorite of five it's you know we have to go to them with something fairly concrete and that's I mean that's why we're kind of trying to hone in on one forgive me if forgive me if this has been asked but when are we are we doing a straw poll on this or are we at some point going to vote to move forward with uh Claire or SMS what are you hoping for we're going to probably do that at the next meeting because we we're just discussing meeting some some numbers so okay we go back to we have to make a decision on site at some point because then you do have to go

161to a straw pole of the public and then we have to go to the State Board of Education on just a site and then we have to separate the decision on program building because when you think about the building piece there's also going to be some cost there because there are going to be some things that you might want a little more square footage on or you might want this or you might want that so that will not necessarily all get paid for by the doe um and that has to be part of of a discussion um I think what again I think what's pretty hard to talk about in all of these and you know you kind kind of got to come out of here with t with two sites still because you got

162to do work on all but if we're doing work on our side on all sites if SMS is going to be part of the consideration there's a lot of things that have to happen on that side has to be a decision about driveway or Connector Road because Rob can't and his team can't design the building without that because it impacts many different pieces of now how much extra land you have have to be where do you go how close are you going to be to property lines slopes all of those pieces that's a piece that the city Side would need to really determine and be part of because school department can build a driveway to a school but we certainly can't just build a road and so there has to be other discussions that are

163going on if that's if that's going to continue to be on the table there has to be some discussions that leads us to an ability that if it's the choice we know what we're dealing with does that make that make some sense bottom line here what are we looking at for a deadline I mean uh I can't speak to the school board's process but I know once it hits the city council it takes at least a month to go through new business in the meeting process so I think we actually when we started to look at the Timeline because of the way the city Charter and we laid that out at a a meeting meting a while ago the city Charter has a really difficult long timeline to get it it was like a geez

164it was almost a thre Monon period that we started to have to go through for you guys to do it so we could get it onto the ballot are we looking at for a deadine decision site so it's so it's different different parts so once there's a a site decision we then say the board votes on a site then you got to do strap hole and then you're a couple of months out to get to State Board hope that state board goes well still a lot of studies to do that before we can go to the State Board and by not having a decision on the site we don't want to waste that money to do those and then after the state board we're going to be three or four months anyway design designing the

165building because you have to have concept approval where at some point in time we're struggling to hit next November correct we're next November we're starting to struggle to get that to but all of those pieces come back to if sms's on the table we have to have some clear details of Connector Road or driveway we have to know that Schoolboard member Arie so to go along that thought process do we have a um an answer for 3B the letter for 3B have we heard anything back I think director Fox uh kind of gave you the outline in his comments of that answers to the questions on that letter uh when he spoke earlier I think we hashed over the the questions of that but if you have a direct question feel free to go ahead

166and ask that I was hoping for something a little more formal but I I I get what you're saying I'm sure the director can uh respond accordingly with a letter answering those questions Dave we movee I think Oak Point stated earlier and Rob please correct me if I'm wrong there has to be a process where you have to have two uh two independent um appraisals and then it's the average of those appraisals and I don't know that they're going to the doe is going to order and pay for those appraisals until there's a selected site am I right there yeah so to just to follow up on what what David's asking are are you looking more more along the lines of should we entertain the idea of anou of some kind with with the land

167owner Mr preor we would want to just have anou or a a purchase to buy because if you buy it first before the other process you own it which would not be reimbursed we would want to have a contract to purchase once that's done because then you would get have the ability for the state to pay that back but I hear what you're saying yes only one selection or Nar the selection certainly the economic development department can ask Kevin booer what the price is that he's looking at for his parcel uh that does not negate the fact and steps that we still have to go through uh as previously outlined but I'm sure we can have those discussions and it probably would be prudent to do the same same with star homes if we're keeping

168both pieces going I'm sure we can do both those the point was made earlier that the state's not going to pay for analysis of two sites I mean they've already paid for one and so all the work we've been doing to date is going to be on Sako and going forward it's it's a an extend extensive amount of work so just I would recommend if if at all possible that you come up with a decision of which site you want to continue with you can keep the other one in a bance just to to make sure you're not being held hostage for the one but you know the the the Middle School site's going to cost again at least $15 million more than if there is a road or a driveway or whatever it is

169than the other site and the state's not going to pay for that so just bear that in mind and and at some point you just have to make make a decision as to what direction you want to go and we'll we'll we'll run with it but it I strongly suggest you do it soon because you're we we're up against time for for um um Department of Transportation analysis and just the amount of work it's going to take to get one site to the state and start negotiating is going to take a lot of time School Board member Preble I just wanted to reiterate what councelor Johnston had said that if we're really truly looking at both sides equally that that if the state will only fund one site I don't know if the council would

170consider funding the similar studies at both sites so that way we can get a well-rounded um look at both sites and what that looks like any further discussion director Fox I I feel like I'm just going to try to make the most concise statement about the Connector Road that I can the 2018 2019 study uh regarding future Regional connections to the turnpike investigated ways to access regionally and locally one recommendation that came out of that report one of several options looked at was to after the new exit opens on the turnpike to explore a convenient Connector Road from Route 5 to Route 112 to avoid some of the neighborhood cut through that's been occurring for decades it was suggested that they wait we wait till the exit opens because there's no way to quantify and

171size that road and exactly what it would take wait till the new exit opens and then coordinate with a possible school expansion because we did put in our consultant's mind at the time that we could be you know looking at the middle school could have more students or more buildings at it and then look at it at that time so we haven't done that um there's no Road designed the city would have to uh dot is not going to take the lead uh we haven't even signalized Jenkins Road yet that's the shortterm Improvement we're looking to do that in the next year um we need that just for some of the local access on to 112 as 112 gets busier this was a 5 to 10 year look at a later recommendation of a highlevel

172study so to FastTrack this would mean the city would have to engage Engineers for you know hundreds of thousands of dollars to look at a road that may or may not benefit neighborhoods because really the area of Route 5 that you would turn onto a connector Road isn't serving an area of so that's being built out at this time it's requiring people to actually go out of town to cut over so you're picking up some portion of inbound Dayton Hollis Area traffic U so would this would anyone at Public Works city engineer Public Works recommend building a $10 million road now based on projections of 2040 traffic volumes that we're somewhat guessing at with modeling software no so this really would not be looked at that right now so it does not align well with

173making a school decision but the number of steps to the city council would have to decide this is going to be a capital Improvement that we place in front of immediate needs and do a full design of and then couple it with a school project so you are adding months of design delays to incorporate to start meshing these two together for something that may or may not even have a large benefit is going to be really difficult for you to take advantage of the timeline you're on um and I can't say this is some magic this is not a magic Connector Road that's going to solve the Route 112 Corridor issues it's not going to help the neighborhoods that are along 112 it may defer a little cut through traffic in the short term but

174it may be needed 10 or 15 years from now so I don't think we're going to arrive at a quick decision I could go to council put together a proposal to go get an engineered to design this road and they could vote on it and then you'd design your project off of that that is the path it could take but I'm just not sure that I I don't think a staff recommendation would be that we go and build a $10 million Connector Road tomorrow so that's is clear a picture as I can put of where that Connector Road stands it is it has never made it further than a concept and we haven't even gotten through the other three major improvements that have to happen before it determine before we can determine whether it's viable

175so thank you Pat how long approximately would it take for you to do this process that you just described to us uh considering it crosses streams there's no Wetland analysis for the majority of this Corridor the land would require either I mean we'd have to go to the same owners that have already kind of apparently um you know not been in of working with the schools and this wouldn't have a lot of variability it would pick you'd pick a defined path for a straight road and that's the corridor you'd be pursuing through either requests first or legal action second to put a road there and again that's not something we Sako does not do that often so um you're talking years uh you're talking months of design a year at least of acqu iring a

176property and then you're trying to piece together you've got to put traffic signals you've got to widen Route 112 and Route 5 and create turn Lanes you need dot Traffic Engineers to analyze this and approve it it's years um I mean we're six months to a year just to design and get ready for construction a small sidewalk Improvement on Route 9 on Ferry Road so multiply that out to something of this scope that's supposed to be Regional and needs a lot of approval from outside entities it's Years thank you yeah really quick before you go the alternative Road the squiggly line what's the path for something like that assuming that that's something that's going to be um bonded from Sako the state would not assist us with that um s significant arm you know Army

177core of engineers and DP Wetland and stream Crossing permit discussions um lots of survey because you have amazing topographic changes across there we haven't built any roads along topographic changes like that in Sako in a long long time and it also crosses a super fund landfill site so you have to get EPA involved with the restrictions and distances you have to be from the large landfill cap that was a super fund closure site and is under very special land use and handling um criteria so again that's you you can quantify what you have to do with that one and it is on land that the city either has rights to or owns again you're crossing a CMP hi high transmission Corridor so that has its own um distances and offsets and criteria and legal challenges

178to it so neither of neither of those Road concepts for that are easy roads by any means um they and they off they both paths have a lot of entities involved the CMP Corridor being I think a challenging one because you can't just build under those high tension lines anywhere you want so um it's probably I mean it's probably same type of timeline I mean you could program it into your Construction and design easier than probably I mean making the decision on whether we're even going to build a connector road so I don't know if that helps C op s sit SE School Board member Truman to me this seems like first of all we can't build just that little driveway there because we don't have the property and the owners are not interested and

179then we can't design a school and then have the city come back and say oh we need to put the corridor in here because that's going to change a lot of things of like where that road can go and the school building might actually be right in the middle of where it needs to go for that Corridor so if we use SMS that could potentially shut down that whole option for the city if I if I'm reading what you're saying and I'm taking what the professionals have told me just now that that's and then we're looking at 10 years potentially before we even see set Road and we're not waiting 10 years we have the option to get millions of doll tens of millions of dollars from the state and for us to turn that

180down is foolish I but it is a harder one because we don't have the property and the person does not want to sell said property the only way we can build an Road into that property is to build a $15 million to $20 million road so and we still have to acquire 20 Acres either property we own the City prop we own the CLA property but we have to acquire another piece that's 20 21 acres and SMS yeah we own that too but we still have to acquire another 20 acres because we have to replace the the fields either way we're looking at $20 million for a road that's I mean just the just the logistics of all of that in between the power lines and um the the logistics of going through all the

181wetlands that are in there and the topographical issues I mean to me this seems kind of the way that the professionals who do this for a living have presented this to me SMS doesn't seem like I mean I know you're hard on getting SMS done like that is your thing on that but like I I think Claire really from from what they're presenting makes way more sense School Board member AR um mayor DL just really quick um what are the options of getting land for a driveway versus a road I I think unfortunately you're you're it's the same question that Dave asked uh a little bit ago you're whether you buy the star homelands or whether you buy the the boil your land in order to get reimbursed for that you the city doesn't shouldn't

182go out and buy it ahead of time uh in order to get reimbursed so those are the two land Parcels that would need to happen I mean I think the Fenderson Farm property which is the where that black line goes through uh I mean it they've made it very clear they are not interested uh now could that change if it's not a connect our road and then maybe it's just a driveway that's that's a possibility but they have to be willing to come to the table to have those discussions and it doesn't sound like uh through Outreach that that's an option so with that your your if F if SMS was the S and if you were looking to go down that road uh barring they don't change their mind you would have to use

183the the right of way that runs along the transmission line on the Patterson property and then run it through again you're still having to buy Star homes so it would have to go through just like it's outlined in the in the uh you know in the projections here in the in the sheets so that's really the the two Parcels that that have to be purchased uh and again we don't want to purchase them outright uh because we don't get reimbursed by the state so we take our little hypothetical cidor there and our little driveway there the only way that we could take say half of that Corridor would be if we purchased it the land the the portion through the Fenderson Farm property right yeah the only way to uh well I mean there's there's

184other ways but really you'd want to try and work out a purchase and sale agreement or a an easement through the property for a you know for whether it's a connector Road or a driveway uh you wouldn't want to take it by eminent domain uh there is that option but that's never a good uh that's never a good thing and I would never Advocate to take somebody's land yeah I'm just trying to end the corridor conversation just I don't we we shouldn't be basing the school on a hypothetical road that we can and may not be able to take like I think we need to stop talking about the corridor I I think the the right of way along the transmission lines is is what you may need to focus on if you're looking at

185the SMS parcel because that's already guaranteed the question is you still need star homes uh both for that and for to take care of the LC FW LC lwcf uh requirements uh for federal funding so those are those are the kind of the um those are kind of the challenges again you still have to do some challenges over at CLA too because you're talking about coming in off of Route One so there's still that building a road there that's not there today you still have to build that and then you have to build a road going through milb uh but again you still have to acquire the bull your property so there's there's there's Road challenges there as well I don't know if that answered your question it does thank you School Board member L

186Fortune so the I I 100% agree that we need to stop talking about the connector um amongst a number of things the connector is has been conceptual forever but for whatever reason it keeps coming up and coming up and coming up so much so that these guys are stuck um and so I'm happy to move beyond that I think the other thing that we need to move Beyond in the spirit of let's move on from sweetzer is that the Fenderson are going to entertain another question they aren't they've already signaled to every single person who has gone and made a a special house call that they are not interested in selling we need to stop thinking that we're going to build a small Road or a piece of a road we need to move on

187from that and that leaves us with any way to connect to that spot is this long road or we're going in through the back of star homes or we're going in through Hillview Heights those are the driveway options period so I we have to really stop with the well maybe if we ask them again they they'll sell us something it's it's it's not helping the process it's just not and it's really alienating them they they didn't ask for this public publicity and it's just enough leave them alone they don't want to participate Let It Go thank you yeah as they said earlier too I'm sorry I don't know your name but it was it was made clear that it clearly bothers them that this keeps coming up and I think that we're doing them a

188disservice by continuing to talk about this as a potential option I think for their sanity and for ours so we can move on Kevin's right we need to just drop this Corridor talk the connector and move on Jim for what it's worth I appreciate the just like simply like to say whatever decision the school board makes you can rest assured as a as a city counselor there's no way that when this comes to us going to vote against it um this is way past it's got to be done thank you okay we are at 1010 this evening and uh we still have an agenda to go through uh and I believe your the board rules say 10:30 is our is our cut off time so uh we we got to get through this agenda in

18920 minutes here so Mr Mayor School Board I move if we exit the workshop and enter the regular school board meeting second I don't think we have to take a a vote because we didn't enter into Workshop that way I think this is just a workshop uh within the agenda for the meeting so I don't think we need to vote to come out okay could we possibly take five we can take a 5 minute recess but please limit it to five minutes because again we only have uh 20 minutes to get through the agenda e e e okay welcome back let's continue to move through the agenda this evening uh up next is item four approval of the school board meeting minutes dated August 24th 2022 is there a motion to approve the minutes Mr

190Mayor I move we oh sorry uh I move we approve the school board meeting minutes dating dated August 24th 2022 second motions been made by school board member Truman second by Schoolboard member prel any discussion Mr Mayor Schoolboard member Johnston I just wanted to quickly say that my comment is not it's not about the content of these particular minutes I just wanted to say that I'm going to abstain from voting the reason being was that I could not be here at that meeting and although I did review some of the video I did not do it all so I just wanted people to understand that it seems wise to abstain from thank you thank you any further discussion on the minutes roll call on the minutes School Board member Archie yes School Board member Preble

191yes Schoolboard member Richard yes Schoolboard member Le Fortune yes School Board member Gail yes Schoolboard member Truman yes and Schoolboard member Johnston abstain that motion passes 601 uh brings us to item five there are no adjustments to the agenda uh brings us to item six no correspondence at this time item seven entertain public session if there's any member of the public who would like to speak to the school board please come forward and be heard seeing nobody coming forward uh brings us to item eight superintendent reports superintendent Ray I'm going to defer this report tonight because we have other items that I would like to spend an ounce of time on thank you uh brings us item nine Cher of Fortune is there a chair report I have no report I just would like to

192just note that Jeremy and I are going to be meeting with ONN Academy this coming week to discuss a number of topics and I'll report back to Schoolboard at our next meeting thank you uh brings us to item 10 staff reports there are no staff reports noted in the record uh brings us to item item 11 board subcommittee meeting minutes the Strategic committee has the next meeting on 9:14 uh today at 5:30 and then the finance committee meeting is going to meet on the 28th at 4M ahead of the 5:00 pm Schoolboard meeting and there's no meeting scheduled at this time for infrastructure and Personnel committee is in negotiations with sea will begin later this year uh any additions to the subcommittee meeting minutes that brings us to item 12 old business there is no

193old business on the agenda this evening that brings us to item 13 new business uh 13A is new hires in your packet you received a memo uh regarding new hires from Mr Mayor scholman I move we approve the nomination of chrisy Gomez prek special ed education teacher and issue a contract for the 2022 2023 school year second motion's been made by Schoolboard member Truman second by Schoolboard member prebel any discussion roll call vote School Board member Archie yes School Board member Preble yes School Board member Richard yes School Board member La Fortune yes Schoolboard member Gail yes School Board member Truman yes School Board member Johnston yes motion passes 70 uh that brings us there are several other uh names for appointments and transfers requiring no action in that memo uh please feel free to

194read those at your convenience uh Item B stien memo uh there was a memo put forward by the school superintendent uh is there a motion Mr Mayor School Board member Truman I move we approve the nomination of those listed in the stiped memo and issue a contract for the 2022 2023 school year second motions been made by school board member Truman second by School Board member prebble any discussion roll call vote Schoolboard member Archie yes Schoolboard member prebble yes Schoolboard member Richard yes Schoolboard member Le Fortune yes Schoolboard member Gail yes Schoolboard member Truman yes Schoolboard member Johnston yes motion passes 70 brings us to item C there a resignations there's another memorandum in your packet from superintendent Ray regarding uh some resignations is there a motion School Board member Truman I move we AC

195the resignation of Celeste Libby SMS teacher effective September 6th 2022 second motion's been made by Schoolboard member Truman second by Schoolboard member prebel any discussion roll call vote Schoolboard member Archie yes Schoolboard member prebble yes School Board member Richard yes Schoolboard member Le Fortune yes Schoolboard member Gail yes School Board member Truman yes School Board member Johnston yes motion passes 70 brings us to item D an update on welcoming our new neighbors there was a packet excuse me a memorandum in your packet from superintendent Ray superintendent Ray just very briefly we were informed and Meg correct me if I'm wrong we were informed this afternoon that they are halting new movein at this time we're at 60 rooms is that where we're at they are halting movein for a number of many different reasons and

196for how long Meg but there are some other types of challenges that that organization faces I think when it's all said and done we're going to be thinking a much we will have a result of a much lower student count than what was initially presented to us that's what we know today that can all change tomorrow um but that's the that's the short of it superintendent Ray we still have our morning meeting via Zoom uh tomorrow with the organization uh city of Portland and state of Maine correct that is correct thank you any questions on the memorandum regarding update of on our welcoming our new neighbors into the community see no questions moving on item e a transportation update and options uh there's a memorandum in your in the packet from superintendent Ray superintendent Ray

197so this was something that I would have anticipated spending some time on let's get to the long and the short of it the bottom line is we have 7 we have 20 buses 25% of our buses go to either serving two buses that go to a Rundle and three buses that are prek only dedicated prek that takes 25% of our possible drivers not transporting the rest of the prek through 12 students which leads to a situation that your 6 through 12 buses tend to be over maximum capacity just too many kids first option that we put into play and that I would recommend that you approve tonight would be to have the Arundle buses and Stacy has been working so on this a lot with me so Stacy if I say this wrong please correct

198us would be to have our Rundle buses start earlier picking up a Rundle kids that go to Thorton Academy leaving us 15 to 20 minutes to pick up some of the kids that were on the overfilled buses route to get underc capacity so that we have space well improve space option two is one that I think we need to spend a little bit more time on and talking about but it would be having some of our prek kids especially those in nor Sako ride the regular bus run because we have pre kids that are spending a good hour to an hour and a half on a bus run that's a long time for a four-year-old on a bus that would be step two obviously every change impacts the routes a little bit differently but we

199need to move in a situation where we have capacity on our buses that they're not over full and again we try to hire drivers every single day and it's just difficult they're not there um and so again while i' hope that we'd spend a whole lot more time on this tonight we tried to color code this so it was easy easy to see that those bluish purples are all the buses that are overcrowded and when you look at chart number two of the yellows and the greens by making some of those shifts we can make this work that's going to require us to adjust some bus routes adjust some people's schedules do all of those pieces and adjust the time of a Rundle kids that come to Thorton Academy um if not we just don't

200have the resour resources to not have buses or over capacity superintendent Rao you were asking for the school committee to approve option one which shifts the bus routes for the Arundle students uh and some of the uh and allows for pickup of some of the overcrowding on the other buses and then are you looking for option two to come back uh so there can be greater discussion yeah I would I would bring back number two because I think that's a big kind of a shift of us if we have haven't in this community had our prek kids on the K through five runs and there's some pluses and minuses in both of those decisions but we're we'd be waiting another two weeks of having buses over capacity um at the high school middle school level

201if we don't take action on option one any questions uh regarding the transportation report from superintendent Ray Schoolboard member Truman I just want to say that it looks like too I know we're going to come back to this one but it looks to me from the report from surrounding areas that have a prek that prek rides the same buses K through five correct if they if they even offer transportation to the prek and that is correct and and again there's pluses and minuses in every situation I think that for for parents if you're putting all of your kids on one bus at one time a lot of parents would see that as a plus um if you're in a situation where you do have multiple kids on that bus you probably feel a little bit

202better if your prek kid is getting on there would say their third grade sibling that probably makes a little sense and I I probably I know it would be it's hard to look at any prek parent and say yeah an hour and a half is a great time for a four-year-old to be on a bus no one wants to do an hour and a half with your kid it and as a four-year-old in the car let alone a bus um so I mean just think about the number of times you stop with your own kids with a four-year-old um any further questions on this uh is there a motion School Board member Gail make a motion we adopt option one motion second motion's been made by Schoolboard member Gail second by Schoolboard member Truman uh

203to approve option one uh for Shifting the bus schedules to reduce overcrowding any discussion seeing no discussion roll call vote School Board member Archie yes School Board member prebble yes School Board member Richard yes Schoolboard member Le Fortune yes Schoolboard member Gail yes Schoolboard member Truman yes Schoolboard member Johnston yes motion passes 70 brings us to item F which is an enrollment update there is a link to a memorandum uh in their packet superintendent Ray any discussion on the enrollment update information provided to the board that includes uh all students attending our schools including our new neighbors thank you any questions for superintendent Ray regarding the enrollment report Schoolboard M of Fortune thanks on on just one quick question around the The Thorn Academy numbers those are trending lower than than they have mic with

204that that is correct um and in the budget we had um 890 students budgeted so we're in a pretty good place even if our new neighbors creeps up a little bit now I do want to caution people these are like first week of school numbers and so two things happen kids registered and it's not quite updated in the system or kids move uh and sometimes it's not uncommon to have kids on your roles for a couple of weeks that another school just hasn't gotten around to requesting their records especially if they're out of state so you could actually see that number go down any questions further on the enrollment moving on to item G second reading of policies policy Bea Schoolboard use of email and other electronic communications policy BD BJ broadcasting taping of board

205meetings policy BG - Schoolboard policy procedure and policy BCB board member conflict of interest is there a motion to approve the policies School Board member Johnston I'm sorry um I move we approve the second reading of policies Bea be DJ B g-r and BCB second motion's been made by Schoolboard member Johnson second by Schoolboard member Truman any discussion on the second reading of policies seeing no discussion roll call vote Schoolboard member Archie yes School Board member prebble yes Schoolboard member Richard yes School Board member Le Forin yes School Board member Gail yes Schoolboard member Truman yes School Board member Johnston yes motion passes 70 to approve the second reading of policies it brings us to item 14 other information there's no other information in the record tonight uh or on the packet rather uh brings

206us to item 15 there is no executive session this evening and that brings us to item 16 I'll entertain a motion to adjourn so moved second School Board member Johnston is a first school board member prebble is second any discussion on adjourning oh my apologies record Schoolboard member Truman as the no I'm just wanted to clarify I did not actually make that motion okay thank you uh any discussion on ad joury roll call vote to adjourn School Board member Archie yes Schoolboard member prebble yes Schoolboard member Richard yes Schoolboard member La Fortune yes Schoolboard member Gail yes Schoolboard member Truman yes Schoolboard member Johnston yes motion passes 70 to adjourn at 10:30 have a great evening everyone for