001[Music] This is the championship. Facebook live. Oh, okay. [Music] Good. All right. And I'd like to call the meeting of the uh special meeting agenda for Alpena public schools to order. If we would please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, I believe everybody's had a chance to look over the agenda. So, I would entertain a motion to approve the agenda. Make the motion to approve it with uh amending also adding board questions, comments, after action items. I would second that. Motion was moved and seconded to accept the agenda with the amendment uh to add uh board question and comment at the end.
002Any discussion? All in favor? All opposed? Eyes have it. And the motion carries. At this point, we would offer the floor to citizens or delegations for comment. I would cite that we have reached the uh let's see here. Individuals addressing the board are asked to state their name, address, andor group affiliation. She'll direct all comments to the board, not staff or other participants. Shall not make personal attacks against a school board member or school district employee by name. She'll be limited to 3 minutes duration and shall not speak more than once on the same topic unless all others who wish to speak on that topic have been heard. Do we have anyone that would like to come forward? Good evening. Good evening. All right. So, I as a staff member, do I recite my home
003address? Is that is that correct? Is that correct? Okay. All right. Uh hello. Good evening. Uh my name is Kyle Kelloseski and to my amazing art students, I'm also known as Mr. K. Uh my home address is 404 South 9th Avenue, Alpena, Michigan 49707. I'm here both as an offduty staff member as well as a proud father of a student who is enrolled at APS. My primary purpose for being here is to address the concerns of the Alpena community as I'm reading them publicly posted online and as I am hearing them while out and about. First, I was born here. My heart is here and it is devoted to our children's safety, well-being, and growth. Second, I understand the concerns being expressed over the nature of the BB pistol incident. I assure you everything that
004I did in the classroom that day was with those very same concerns at the forefront of my mind. As a result, I rapidly did what I could to ensure the safety of the children while simultaneously trying to prevent and limit unnecessary panic and trauma to the kids. From what I unders observed firsthand, the students left my classroom as happy and as calm as any other class that ends on the last day of school. And I am confident that I accomplished those very important stated goals. Third, as an artist and art educator, I am a very strong propon proponent for free speech and I thus do not want my following words to be misinterpreted here. I have found that a significant portion of the public public comments that I've read are operating on conjecture and at
005best through the experiences of children. As with all human beings, they are at least as fallible as adults and definitely more so. I make this observation about children's capabilities with nothing but affection, as it is through their mistakes that they learn and grow and prosper. I am thus asking the public to please consider the possible ramifications to the children that are being publicly discussed. What could those words do to those children should they get back to them? I care about every child of this community whether they attend APS or not. I want none of them to experience undo harm. And should these public comments reach the kids, they may do precisely that. They are children. They are all vulnerable and the potential damage caused to them could be lifechanging and permanent. Please going forward keep
006that in mind. I thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you. Is there anyone else? Make sure everybody has an opportunity. All right. Seeing no further comments, we'll move to action items. Dave, would you like to speak to this? Sure. Uh, we have the asphalt milling um and spreading bid in front of you. Um, Simon can obviously answer any of the specific questions, but essentially we are milling about 3,000 tons from our high school and delivering it to um transportation office or transportation center and the central office and spreading slashpaving uh the parking lots there. Questions, concerns? Um, yeah, what we're doing, we're we're going to reclaim approximately 3,000 tons of the ashvault that we're pulling up at the high school for bond work. uh take it to back by the egg barn at
007the stadium, crush it, bring it over to here and to transportation, uh regrade the subgrade here, cut where we need to uh to create positive drainage, lay that material out, grade that material, and then roll it uh with a roller after. So to provide a ashvalt like surface, not not ashvault, but ashvalt like. Yeah. And I don't know if it was before your time, Simon, but I think we got bids to um redo both surfaces with asphalt. And I want to say this was about $350,000. Yeah. And I'm right. I priced it what I've figured today. I mean, we're probably in the $700,000 range. Okay. Today's cost to pave. So about a 10% cost over. And by doing this, we're not uh it's a good product if we were to pave in the future as
008a as an under subbase material. So, we're not we're not going to have to pull it all up if we were to pave uh in the future. So, the only question I had um it's and I've seen this done several times, so I'm 100% not against it. I think it's it's a good opportunity for us. Um I've also seen it done well and I've seen it done poorly. Uh, I think a lot of it has to do with how fine it's ground. Um, when it's, you know, more coarse, it the finish is pretty, uh, rough and difficult to snowplow and so forth. So, I guess that would be my only I wouldn't say reservation. I just say question about, you know, how the finished project product's going to end up. And I think we can
009definitely control that by we are running it through a crusher. We're going to run all the material through a crusher. So I think we can you know control our our material and control our our size of our aggregate. Yeah. Right. Because I I hear you. Yeah. We end up and that was our concern uh originally that we needed it to be crushed to maintain size and quality because otherwise we end up with irregular chunks, you know, big pieces. It's not not what we want. Not a not a product that we want. So you said undercut, Simon. They are planning to undercut. They're planning under where needed, you know, by the drives, uh, you know, parking lot, any of existing, u, well, here I I don't see it being No, here. Here I plan to pretty
010much bring it flush to the sidewalk where it's at. Um, but over at the garage. Yeah. Where we have existing uh existing pavement, existing, you know, sidewalks, concrete, uh, the the road. Uh thumbs are providing positive drainage. Yeah. And that's for providing positive drainage. So the bus garage is, you know, we can only do so much over there. But we did have one complaint, I will say, from the the neighbor there at uh the motel. You know, he was complaining of dust uh recently. He was in here last week. So that was he was excited about this project. So to control dust and you know, we did I did call for some dust control. So hopefully there's a cost that we can eliminate in the future over there. So we this this material shouldn't kick
011up dust like like gravel. I haven't used dust control since I laid it down. Right. So and it actually what I saved in dust control paid for the material. All right. It'll it'll take us a while to pay for dust control, but uh over time uh definitely helps. So Hey, Simon. Yes. Has has Champagne and Marks done any projects around town like this? Like any Yeah, I wouldn't say they've done anything around town. I mean Okay. I guess I would use AJ as an example as his he has used the product. Um everything all the you know I've talked to the engineer uh you know even champagne and Marks I mean they're all you know it is a good product. uh you know they are from Sagenov. They use it a lot down there. It's
012a it's a hot commodity down there because limestone isn't readily available like it is up here. So as long as it's rolled quickly why it's still warm once it sets up it it clumps. Well, it doesn't not even so much the clumps. It just doesn't bond together. Yeah. Um, but as well it still bonds, but you get it more of a a little bit of a gravel on the top. But if you put it down and you have somebody rolling it right behind you, I've got stuff that's you would pull in my yard and think somebody paid it. Well, and when they did redid 32, I know there was a lot of people that were buying that and using it. So, it's it's it's a common thing to do. So, yeah. And it's our intent
013to have that project, you know, completed before the start of the school year, at least at the bus garage here. We may, depending on schedule and how things go, uh, we could do a portion here, but the bus garage would be my my first concern to make sure that gets done before school starts because we'll have to relocate all the buses and go through that that dilemma. Drivers should like they should have dry feet now, clean. Yeah. And that's I say we're gonna, you know, hopefully uh impress the neighbors a little bit and you know, job morale for our bus drivers for sure. So, because they are that is a complaint I hear often is walking through mud puddles and uh you know, the bus garage parking lot is always a a nightmare. So, especially
014in the spring and fall depending on the weather. It did come in more than I expected. We had money for that. Uh Mary budgeted. Yes, Mary budgeted actually quite a bit more than that. So, okay. I just Yeah, it was in a bigger chunk than what I had envisioned. Yeah, I know. We when we originally talked numbers, it was we were a little bit lower, but I feel like that's a pretty comfortable number. Um, talking gravel cost. I mean, if we were to purchase that much gravel, I think we would be uh, you know, 3,000 tons of gravel that Yeah. So, that's $33,000 just in gravel and then to put it down. So, I'd entertain a motion to approve the Asheville crushing project bid for $73,500. Anyone would offer that? I'll make the motion. I'll
015second. Motion by Monica, second by AJ. Any discussion? All in favor? Do we need a roll call on the cost? Yeah, we may as well. Okay. Okay. Summer. Uh, member Wson. I. Member Dazinski. I. Member Fritz. I. Member MacArthur. I. Member Hansen. I. All right. Thank you. Very good. Thank you. Thanks, Simon. Yeah. Thank you. All right. I believe that was uh the bulk of it. So before we go into advanced planning, we did have an uh amendment. So we will open the floor to board member discussion or comment. Um I just had a few quick things. Uh the cross country track, did we get that approved by the DNR then? Is that Simon or we're still in conversation with them? Yeah, we're we're still in conversation. Um they were they were looking at it.
016They've been busy with the ice storm. Um, I had a phone call is all I had with them. U, they were potentially only going to they were looking at only granting us potentially two crossings, not the three that we were asking for. So, that was that was via phone. I have no no documentation or anything in writing on that. So, okay. Um, because they know it only be for the time that the kids are using, right? And that's yeah, you know, doesn't make that much of a difference to them. Right. Right. Yeah. It doesn't they don't look at it like that. Okay. So, but we are moving we're moving forward with it and um you know we give the cross country has permission to move forward and we're going to Okay. Hopefully soon so they
017can get in there and get going. Yeah. A and so we did pose to the uh Run United 2 that if we can't get that third crossing. Uh so the three crossings are the current um one to the stadium that we currently drive on and then they are asking for two crossings um pedestrian for the cross um cross country track. Um so we told Run United that they may have to alter their plan so that it's using one versus two. They seem to indicate that they could do that, but right now we're moving forward with hopefully them getting the two crossover. So, okay. And they've been down getting their paperwork filled out with all the um you know, vendors, volunteers, and everything. So, ultimately, when we get the the clear from DNR or the not
018clear, um we're ready to go. Okay. Yeah. I think they have all their paperwork in and stuff so we can they can start preliminary planning. I think they have most of their they're ready. So, um, and then the other question I had was, uh, the partnership. Are they getting their second room back? Um, we haven't made a decision yet. Okay. And that's, you know, it's NESA that's got the the current rooms and Okay. Cuz I mean, you know, we're making a lot of money off of the partnership. $7,000 pure profit per student, you know, and the program is growing and I know that the space is very limited there. So, I, you know, I'd really like to see us really take a priority in this partnership and not lose out on money. Yeah. So, just
019a suggestion. And then the only other thing I had was um I did want to bring up the incident at the Thunder Bay Junior High and the high school both. Um, I don't know if I can say names or not, but I thank you for handling the situation so well. From what I heard from the students, everything was handled perfectly. So, I thank you. Thank you. Um, but I I do think we need to possibly communicate or be a little more transparent when stuff like this happens. Um, you know, when there's a report of a gun in a backpack and kids come home and say that, we're going to get an overreaction from parents. And I think just being very proactive with there was a situation, it was a BB gun, no harm, just getting
020ahead of it, I think would be a really good idea. And then uh also at the high school, I know that it's the uh police, right, that make the protocol for lockdowns or how we the Alpena Police Department. So they're in the room with us when we ask, do you recommend moving to lockdown or anything like that? Okay. And so they do they they guide us do they follow like a list of protocols for that? I just there's a lot of questions as far as why was the student allowed to get on the property in the first place. I know that all of E-H house saw the whole situation with students standing at windows. I'm just concerned if the student was armed if so that situation was in the police's hand almost immediately. Um, so,
021uh, those questions have to be directed to the police department. Um, they were tracking him, um, immediately. Uh, they were out in the community immediately. Um, they were they made that decision. We had nothing to do with that decision. Do you think there I know that we had like a safety update what was it like 3 four months ago or second month I was here on the board? Yeah, I think March. like is there a way to get the protocol of what they follow for that just so we can I mean so the the concern with sharing and I said that at the time you know whatever we share here becomes foyable um so they are not going to give us their protocols because it then if we talk about it as a board it
022then becomes foyable when you're talking school safety and police procedures um police procedures they hold those very tightly um so that people don't know their game plan similarly with us. We don't want to reveal too much safety information about how we do things. Um because people can foyer it and they can, you know, then if they're planning something, uh they know what we're going to do in every situation. Yeah. No, I just I want to make sure I mean it was at right after the last lunch period there and you know, students walking out to parking lots, staff walking out to parking lots. We don't know what what other school did he walk by. What there's just a lot of questions and I know a lot of the staff and students were pretty upset after
023the incident. Yeah. You know, and that unfortunately is just sort of a product of these kind of situations. You know, there's a need to know basis and you know, yeah, if you don't get every question you have answered, uh, you know, it feels like we're covering things up. Um, again, I don't make these decisions by myself. I have an entire administrative team that's working with me on it. And then we also have decisions like the high school that is absolutely the police, the sheriff was there, the MSP was there. Um they're all in the room helping us make these decisions. So Okay. Does anybody know off the top of uh his or her head? Um if there is a uh provision in the Open Meetings Act for discussing security in That's what I was going
024to ask. I think that's one of the things you can go to session. Um I know there is language now that you say that. So uh let me look into it. Yeah, maybe we could have a briefing uh for the board in close session if you're asking for um like we can brief on what we do. Um but the police I don't think are going to give us their protocols um for us to discuss. The other thought maybe was have of have of have uh you know maybe as long as we're not hitting a quorum or something having interested maybe at least a a couple interested board members being able to be at those security sessions um you know or or you know when the when you have those discussions what discussions like we were
025talking about the safety updates um where I I know we've had a couple of them where you know you all you administration and the police will discuss those kinds of plans Um, yeah, we do that. Um, and that's an annual meeting. So, there's that. But I was referring to like in those days where those decisions are being made because a student is approaching the building. Oh, sure. Um, no, I can't do that. No, no, no. That's not what I'm asking. I'm talking about the the annual meetings. Yeah. And I believe board members are invited to that every year. Uh, we sit down in August and go through our emergency operation plan. um that is a um you know just an annual protocol to do it. Well, it would behoove us to get to those meetings
026then I guess to dive into it further. You know, again the the details and everything, we want to be pretty cautious and if there is a close session way that the it's not foilable. I'm I'm willing to do that. Um just know that every situation is unique and uh you can have protocols out the window. Um, but it's going to come down to what's going on at that time and the people in the room making those decisions. So, thank you. And I guess I had, you know, again, I saw we had one person reach out to us um on Friday or Thursday. Uh it's my opinion that that person didn't like the answer she received from us and then went out on the Facebook post and posted it. Um and I'm saying I'm not saying
027that person did it, but if people are out there naming children or naming families or that's unacceptable. Um, something like this, we we always work on confidentiality. Uh, because nobody needs to have their name dragged through the mud in a social media or otherwise forum. So, I'd like to hear a little bit more about what you're seeing out there cuz I haven't seen anything. I know the news posted it a couple of times. Um, but there was, as far as I saw, no traffic on that as far as comments and um, uh, I'll talk to you later. Oh, sure. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but I mean again there is a level of confidentiality in these situations and nobody should be trying to solve these problems out on Facebook and nobody should be out there trying to
028stir up problems either. Um so it's disappointing and if you got five minutes I'll talk to you. Sure. No problem. Any other comments? All right. If not, uh, we're looking at advanced planning. June 23rd is the workshop meeting here at the boardroom at 5:30. June 30th, the regular meeting also here at the boardroom at 5:30. And with that, meeting is adjourned. All right. Thank you very much.