001Let's do the uh pledge of allegiance followed by invocation from John. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> God, we thank you for this day you g us. We thank you for everybody that's here and each resident Leonard that you would just be with them. We pray you give us wisdom as we go through today's meeting and your name. Amen. Let's go. >> Let's go right to roll call, please. >> Moore, >> yes. >> Kennedy, >> yes. >> Pelich, >> yes. >> Swack, >> yes. >> Hawkins, >> yes. >> For the record, clerk Zelnock is in attendance. Uh, Treasurer Kennedy is absent, excused. >> Okay. I have a motion to
002support the minutes of the May 11th meeting. >> I will make a motion to approve and file the minutes for the regular meeting of the village of Leonard Council May 11, 2026. >> All in favor say I. >> I opposed. >> Hearing none. Motion carries. Next is the agenda approval, please. Can I have a motion to approve tonight's agenda? >> I'd like to make a motion to approve the agenda as amended. >> Support. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. Motion carries. On to the treasures report. When you're ready, can I have a motion to uh >> I will make a motion to approve and file the treasures report for May 2026. >> I have a roll call vote, please. >> Kennedy, >> yes. >> Hawkins, >> yes. >> Swack, >> yes. >> Pelich, yes.
003Moore, >> yes. Okay. On to accounts payable. Like to make a motion to pay the bills. $12,218.32 for general, $7008 for major, zero for local, and zero for mil park recreation. >> Have a roll call vote, please. >> Pelich, >> yes. >> Swag, >> yes. >> Moore, >> yes. >> Kennedy, >> yes. Hawkins. >> Yes. >> At this time, is there any public comment? >> Yes. Mike, >> will there be an opportunity to comment during the business of the council items as traditionally been >> just >> Okay, sure. >> Yep. We'll do it that way. That's fine with me. Um, tonight, so, oh, we have no no comments, so I'll go forward here. Tonight, we have, uh, from, uh, Oakland County Treasury, uh, presenter is Paul Zelanac. He's an investment administrator with he's going to
004talk to us about the liquidity investment pool policy with Oakland County tonight. So, Paul, come on in. Uh, this is our our council. This is Alex Kennedy. This is Yvon Pelichek. This is our clerk Lorie Zelan Knock. Not sack. >> Yeah, very close. >> Very close. >> Jennifer Swack and Trusty John Hawkins. So, you've met with us. She they've met with us a couple times with uh Katie and I. Um and we we think uh this this may be a better way to go for us than than any more money in short-term CDs at this point in time. >> Oh, >> yeah. Very good. Uh glad to be here this evening. Very nice to meet you all. Uh again, Paul Zanak. I am the uh investment administrator appointed by the treasurer. Uh I've been with
005Oakland County three and a half years now. Prior to this, I was with city of Detroit. Prior to that, I was with Wayne County. Um if you can believe it, I've been around 30 years doing this stuff. So, all government finance, all treasury work. So, very familiar with investment portfolios, big investment portfolios such as Oakland County. Um, so the LGIP, so the RGBIP is a uh it's we didn't have it in Wayne County. There's only two counties in Michigan that have it. It's Kent County and Oakland County. Uh, so it's a state program. It was established by statute. Uh, 1985, I believe. I got my presentation up. Uh yeah, public act 121 of 1985 established a pool and it was really a great idea because all government treasures are under the guidance of the same
006public act public act 20 which dictates what all treasurers can can invest in. So, somebody came up with this bright idea and said, "Hey, if uh a local uh community have to invest in the same thing as a county, why not pull all those funds together and and use that large pool to get better interest rates?" And that's what's going on here. So it uh to read from the statute, it's created to provide public entities an investment alternative that minimizes the risk of loss of principle while uh ensuring liquidity and a competitive rate of return. So uh Oakland County Treasurer established our pool in 2002. Um there's about 40 CBT, city villages, townships that currently participate in the pool and some of them actually have uh uh separate funds within the pool. Some will have
007a parks fund, some will have a general operating fund and we segregate all those dollars into separate accounts and uh we we track that for them uh depending on uh and and when they want to withdraw they specify we want to take money from the parks, we want to add money to the parks pool or operating pool and so forth. Um next page uh the advantages of the LGIP. Um again it allows investing in a larger uh uh more diversified portfolio uh participants. So you own a share. So currently the Oakland County pool is $1.3 billion. So your money comes into that pool again in a segregated account which is tracked and and always segregated on the books of the county. Um but it comes into that 1.3 million and it is invested the same
008way and I manage the the pool and so I would be managing the LGIP I would be managing your funds. Uh it comes that's what I do day in and day out. That's my job. Um and uh uh so it is invested in the same way that I invest uh county operating funds. So, it's um it's very advantageous. Whereas um for example, when I go out for a CD, I'm looking at increments between 5 and $10 million and I deal with over 30 different banks. So, I'm able to really negotiate a solid rate for for RCS um uh cash management. So, this fund is next day liquidity. So when uh your treasur or your designated person um emails or calls us and says I need x amount of dollars or I'm going to send x
009amount of dollars well when I need x amount of dollar if we do it via a um and so next business day that money would be into your uh into your checking account. So um and again we're we're kind of old school with this fund. There's no portal to go to. It's all done uh via email. We have uh my team would do a follow-up call um to and and we would have on file documentation saying uh um person A and person B are the only people authorized to move funds and we would have your bank account set up and confirmed. So if we get instructions from any other person to go to any other bank account, uh we immediately would call, you know, if it would be Bill or Katie or Treasurer Katie, um
010you know, we would we would make that call. We would not move on that uh due to any discrepancies in the uh in the uh um to what we had on file. So it's um it's kind of old school, but but it it's with fraud, so much fraud these days, it's it's very kind of the long treasures really uh like that uh closeness. Um so yeah, next business day um now there is a fee uh that we do pull off uh it comes out of the earnings. So currently the fund is earning 4.10%. Uh our fee is 03 of that. So your distribution would be 4.97 uh or sorry 4.0 097. Um, and so, and there's a statement on the last two pages. We'll kind of look at that closer. Uh, statements. Speaking of those,
011yeah, we get a monthly statement. Um, we get those out five business days after the close of the month. Uh, so the way interest works, interest accumulates daily on your specific funds and then it's but it's posted monthly. So, it's posted on the first business day at the end of the month. And again, statements come out five business days after the close of the month. And and you we'll see a statement again at the um at the end of this. Um and then competitiveness. So the LG again is uh last month it actually earned 4.09%. Um if you compare, I don't know if you're familiar with my class, it's another popular LGIP run by a third party. They're currently at 376. So, um, you know, four or five months ago, my class was doing better
012than our pool, and I was recommending to locals, hey, go into my class, don't come in our pool, you'll get a better return. Um, and everything else aside, as far as safety and security and liquidity, uh, they had the better rate at that time. Now, we have the better rate. Um, I would I would, yeah, definitely recommend coming into the LGIP at this time. Uh, and I expect that over 4%. Um, I just sat through an economic uh discussion from a uh one of our uh uh managers, well not managers but one of our people that we use and there's no rate cuts now expected for the next end of this year and possibly in the next year a rate increase. So, um I expect that 4% to be around for at least the next
013six months. So, uh uh so yeah, we'll we'll stay competitive. So um if you want to jump in with questions feel free or want to make them free. So the next slide is a chart and it's diversification of the pool. So every dollar right now uh every dollar you send us this is would be the allocation because it comes into the pool and the pool is invested in totality. This is the allocation of the pool and you'll see the blue area and and uh it's represented by federal agencies. So that's your Freddy Mack, your Fanny Maids. So these are instruments uh sponsored by the US government. Uh and so they're strong double A rated. Some of them are AAA rated. All of our investments uh have to be double A or AAA rated by the
014way. But um good great returns right now. I'm strongly invested in them. What's coming on strong now are US treasuries. And so you'll probably see this chart shift more to US treasuries and less to agencies as these mature and um and and roll out of the portfolio. Um so other things we invest in are uh you see MI coupons, those are Michigan um uh municipal bonds. All right, municipal bonds. So, we're according to public act 20, we can invest in municipal bonds. So, uh I I uh Clarkston school district, Oxford school district, um uh any I really love Oakland County, of course, municipal bonds. I'll grab those in a in a second, but uh any state of Michigan again has to be double AAA rated. Uh that's a large part of our portfolio, too. um
015a little bit of commercial paper. Uh just the Australian and uh certificates of deposits. Again, 30 different banks we deal with. Um so a lot of competitiveness with those banks and and we use a third party rating system. So we are constantly doing diligence on is this bank um you know who are they borrowing money to? Are we at risk with our funds? And CDs are usually shorter term, so they're constantly rolling off uh for us to review. Hey, is this bank still in good standing before we invest again with them? Um so, uh I was going to say so again, a a strong in Oakland County banks, community banks, uh credit unions, if they're if we find out they're doing business in your city, in your county for your taxpayers, uh we would we
016want to invest with them. you know, we want to we want to share the our uh those dollars with them. Um so, one question I had from uh another council was is this portfolio fully insured? And and and it's not. And when I when I think of insurance, that's uh you know, the $250,000 each bank provides FDIC insurance. So, when a portfolio is 1.3 billion, it's it's almost impossible to do that. But what we do do is again it's my full job prior job to do the due diligence on every insurance I invest in. You know US treasuries, US agencies um are the safest you can get. Uh you know it would take a a big collapse of the system for for those to and and we would all be in a world of trouble
017if that happened. So, uh, we I do my due diligence, uh, day in and day out and and, um, really, uh, I I love this program. Again, Wayne County doesn't have this program. Mcome County was looking at it. I think it's a great thing for Oakland County to to have this type of program. Um, I I don't want to go there, but I know other things are going on with with Oakland County, but this program is really a benefit to all the local units here. And uh and again I take pride in in operating it. Um so then oh and and on that page too is a website um at the bottom. That website we post monthly all the holdings that in that portfolio specific to um uh what what what type of uh agency
018paper it is, what school district or or what municipal bond I'm holding. So every month the treasure we post that on the treasures website and it's available for everyone to uh to see what we hold. So um and then lastly this this is a sample statement that would get sent out via email from my team and and again it would show this is this is a specific account that that uh if you choose to participate in this pool you would have a specific account and this statement would show your your uh you know current interest rates um you know what what interest is acred on it. Uh it's pretty good statement actually. um for the system we use um any you know any withdrawals any deposits for the month um the interest and again you'll
019see this particular those withdrawals um those those small withdrawals are the fees uh associated with the program so uh I'm looking at the first page in November there so the interest rate uh back then was only uh what's 3.5 I'm sorry 3.9% there uh and And uh of the uh $11,000 that was earned in interest, 110 came out uh as the uh uh for the fee associated to that. So um it's a very minimal fee. Um, you actually won't find if if dealing with any kind of a a manager for a portfolio, which would be difficult for you guys to get a manager in here, but they would they usually charge uh like 75 basis points or or 075 uh in in fees is kind of the standard. So, um, so yeah, that that is
020is, uh, uh, uh, truly it, um, unless you have any questions, I'd be happy to get into more details kind of high level. Um, if you want to get into any more details, I'd be happy to answer those. >> Um, is there a minimum investment? >> I'm sorry. >> Is there a minimum investment? >> No. No. I've been away with that. You know, I might have the brochure there that's indicates a minimum investment, but there is no um >> can can I just interject something here, guys, what we're talking about? You brought up the the CDs, the short-term CDs. Now, I've been doing that. Most of us older people, a lot of us are doing that to try to earn some money on what we have in our bank. Um, those are sliding down lower.
021I started out at four, 4.6 something. I'm down to three and a half now. And I told them at three I'm out. I'll be doing something else. So, um, so our CDs at Fifth Third Bank, by the way, I haven't matured. They've got to be redone. This is not about that. This is about park money. If you look if you can take another look at at your at your treasures report for this month and go down to the Mill Park Recreation Area and and look at the interest earned. >> Oh, that's nice. >> It's why this is coming up because we're we're over the the deposit insurance and and we have to do something to protect this money or at least make some money off of it going forward. So that's actually the only money
022that you you would be looking to put into this fund is the >> and not the whole amount. We're looking at maybe half. >> Where would the other half sit? >> Still sit in the bank because we're going to be doing some work in the park >> because you're going to use it. So there's no reason to move it in then move. >> I don't see us using that kind of money though right now. >> Plus plus we can pull this money back without penalty anytime we want if we need it. >> Yeah. >> Correct. which is better than a CD. If I remember right, I was looking when I was at the bank, I well, what is the CD iss going to be like in the future? My bank projects out 13 months and
023they said their highest rate of CD at that point in time is going to be 2%. It's the guy in power right now and how he likes to run his economy. remember last time he was in power. They were working intense of a percentage point to >> moving money around just to make some money. That's all we had. So I think they're thinking this where he's going to take us again here eventually by the end of his term. So that's that's what they're doing that based on it. But that you know it's like the stock market. There's fear involved and everything's going on in there. So, so but that but just to sit here on this and that kind of and just see that is not it's not uh I think where we want to
024be. So one thing if I can add I didn't talk about is the portfolio is so big that and and our policy allows me to go out five years with investments. So I have a ladder uh uh portfolio which things mature in you know liquid funds uh things maturing a year, two years, three years, four years uh really based on cash flow for the county. LGIP funds are more I keep them more liquid because I don't I don't know your your cash flows. I don't know when you need cash. So we keep a lot of uh liquid cash available for uh when you do need your funds. We have it available. So uh otherwise I have things maturing in 2031 right now. So it's it's uh and that's what keeps our rate high and and
025and the the curve more uh uh flat uh whereas a bank it it changes president says two words and it and it goes up or it goes down. Our ours stays pretty level because of our longerterm investments. So you won't see our rate jumping up and down um in any short period of time. >> I was going to say too on the OCTV they've been doing for quite a while and it it's working pretty well as far as for their their returns as well. I think they've been doing it for close to two years now. >> I think OCTV cable committee I believe they're part of that program as well. So, >> and is there there's no minimum to or maximum that you can take out? We put in 150,000 if you can take out
026150,000 if you needed to. >> Cool. >> Correct. >> From our fund. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. The next day if you said >> I I need this money. Uh, absolutely. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> But I think at at the point that we if we request some money back at that point, all the interest and everything is earned up to that day, right? You compile all that >> daily. Yeah. >> Before we take it out. >> Yeah. Not that I would plan on it. You just like to know if there's a fee for doing so >> if you've had to. >> Exactly. Right. Interest daily to to your >> function. No, I would want to add to it. Add to it. >> Well, we we thought about looking at this because we just
027didn't see the future and going into short-term CDs with this one also. So, I mean, with the ones in the bank, I maybe we can do a fourmon CD while we're looking at this while we have our money here. >> If if the council so decides, uh, we could maybe put that in a fourmonth and then see what's happening there as opposed to what's happening with this and maybe doing something different, getting out of the CD out of Fifth Third Bank. Just a thought that going forward that we have we Katie and I have talked about. Is there anything besides us that needs to happen in order to make a move like that? >> Well, you know, if if there's no more questions, it would be Yeah, I would go to a roll call vote
028on this to see if if we want if you guys want to do this or not. There is some risk. There's always risk when you invest. But I think if you're getting something daily run daily on you, you you can well do is there a portal or something we can check on our money like daily if we wanted to like >> you could send an email daily. Uh we have we have local treasures that uh send my team emails. What's the rate today? What's the rate today? And and we'll respond with the rate. Um, yeah. I mean, as far as the your your the dollars in your accounts, usually we only send the monthly state, but if you call, you know what? We're going to work with you. Whatever you want, >> if you if
029I mean this is this is your fund. Uh, whatever you need, we my team will be will be happy to send you same day, get back to you any emails. And yeah, >> so access to us would be available any day we wanted it really. Please don't do that daily. That would drive them nuts. >> Don't drive them nuts. >> Don't ask daily. >> No. No. >> Any more questions? >> Does the park committee have to do anything? Do they have to be okay with it? >> No, they they're out of town this week. They're out of town this week. I'm the parks committee today. >> I just wondering if they had to approve anything. >> Mike's on you still on the parks committee? >> Yeah, parks committee's here tonight. >> Okay. All right. Just
030making sure. >> Making sure. >> So, we I I have talked about this with park committee and doing spread than than leaving it just the way it is because I don't know how long we've had this, but >> we certainly could have, you know, generally when you do this kind of thing with endowments and stuff, you never spend that money in the end. You spend of what you make off it. You just you keep putting that into your project. >> Yeah. >> But all the money's coming off this will go right back into that project into the park. >> Yeah. I'm sure the donator of the park money would love to see more money being made to make more improvements on the park. >> Yeah. So, if we did it right, we may never h
031have to uh spend the principal. >> Would be amazing. >> And I'm holding out hope that it will and be happy if it's just substantial and not amazing. >> Would be awesome. >> Okay. So, can I get a motion then on on this project or >> like a motion to enter a >> Can I have a roll call vote, please? >> Swack. >> Yes. >> Hawkins, >> yes. >> Kennedy, >> yes. >> Mors, >> yes. fellowship. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Now, number two on the new business here is building permits. Although it's it's it's different for us that we've had to update our system in the office in the way we do permits. Why we issue them? >> We need to adopt that. I just wanted to ask really quickly. >> Do we need to
032approve resolution? Um, >> oh, the resolution. I guess it would have been that resolution to get it. I'm sorry. >> It's okay. >> I didn't read it. >> Redo. >> I just said so. Strike >> Strike and redo. >> Okay. >> Resolution number 2026-04. >> Do you have it? >> It's in It's in the pack. It's in everybody's packet >> toward the back. Do we have one completed or no? We just have a sample of one. >> There is one here. >> Okay. >> Do you want to read this one, Alex, or do you want me to read it? >> I say you started it. Uh, I would like to make a motion to approve resolution 20226-04, resolution agreeing to enter into the local government investment pool with the Kland County Treasurer. >> Can I
033have a roll call again, please? No problem. >> Swag. >> Yes. >> Hopkins, >> yes. >> Kennedy, >> Pichmore, >> yes. >> I read it right off. Okay. On to number two, building it permits. >> I'm gonna >> Thank you. I'm going to leave. >> Thank you for being here, Paul, and putting everybody's mind at ease. >> Good to meet you. And I got to tell you, I'm I'm uh I just moved out to uh Sand Hill and um Puff, >> so I'm 10 minutes from here. I I drive through here every day. I love this little town here. from the corner. >> Yeah. Go home and have a nice dinner. We're going to be here a while. >> So, >> what happened here with building permits and the way we did things is we
034took in permits uh with no fees and and when we the fees are generated by what Tim Holland does generally, >> but but what happened was is he got with some people that bought a lot over on Rosie Drive and it went south for him and he's into him. They're into him for I don't know >> getting paid that long >> over a thousand bucks. But with our that's with uh permit fees and and the money he's dued for all the work he did for them that they don't want to pay him for. So in order for us to get out of that kind of situation again this is not this is not the first time this has happened. So, we change we're changing the uh office procedures for asking for fees upfront and we'll
035reimburse if we have to. >> That's generally the way people are doing that in other municipalities. We found out >> so >> he said she said, right? >> Yeah. That that deals with office procedures. I just do a call and say >> can I do roll call? >> I got to do roll calls. They do roll call on a whole number to it. I got to do them item by item. >> To be on the safe side, I'm an item by item person. That way if something goes wrong with one of them, we don't have to go back and so but you do. >> This is this is the change to our office procedure. That's the way we want to run the office of if if the council approves to doing this. >> Just the
036application itself. >> Nothing will happen with Tim Hollis until the applications are appeases are paid. And okay, that's the change. >> That is change in the office procedure. Yes. >> Got it. >> Do you need Yeah. So, you need a uh >> We need a motion. >> I will make a motion to approve the building permit application checklist procedure. >> Pelich. >> Yes. >> Swag. Yes. >> Hawkins. >> Yes. >> Kennedy. >> Yes. >> On to item number two. Okay. If you look at the invoice from Tim Hollis, that that is why it's not the over $1,000 that I that I stated is because he's due $780 and we have paid we have reimbursed him for this in the past. That's just uh standing behind your you know he works for us, works for this
037the village. So we should stand behind him again. I think with it since we have done this and it's not the first time we've ever had to come up with this. I don't know if it's first time >> if you don't use it. >> Yes. But but this is the amount of work that he's this is the amount of money that Tim is due and we have reimbursed I was it him in the past or was it somebody another building? No, Tim >> Tim. Okay. >> So, so hopefully with the changes we made to office procedures, we won't have to come ACA across this again. >> Right. >> So, we'll uh uh that is why uh we want to reimburse them. I I didn't I couldn't get it out of John that we we had
038the right to do that, but then I found out through history that we have already done this. >> I'd like to make a motion to take for the service of >> support. Have a roll call, please. >> Yes. >> Moore, >> yes. >> Swag, >> yes. >> Kennedy, >> yes. >> Hawkins, >> yes. >> Okay, on to old business. We're going to talk about the alleyway tonight behind the Roland Hall. AL-05-11-152-026 Sidwell. You know, we received in writing a request from two residents to vacate and convey that vacated property to them, to vacate the alleyway. And the second part of that is to convey that property to them. What I found out from our lawyers, we can't do that. >> Not with this. We would have to sell it. That's one thing I found out.
039So, just stick with me here. So, I'm going to tell you guys have this letter in front of you. This is what it's about. Pretty much everything that's there. So, I first started I started by looking up Michigan state law governing easements. State law is the one who governs easements. And what happens back there? We don't. State law defers a lot of that rights to the utility. That is a utility easement back there. So what happens with that? I went to after that I went to Oakland County Health Division and I had several discussions with them and we looked at that alleyway back there. And then I said, "Well, I'm going to get Miss Dig out here and I'm going to put flags out and we're going to find out where that AT&T cable is."
040Because the poles are the poles. You can see them, but you can't see where that underground cable was. So, when we did that, we started looking at things. And you also got to remember there's a storm sewer back there. You cannot put a leech field by a storm sewer. You can't do it because they're afraid it's going to leech into the storm water. So, you're going to have to do setbacks. And I don't know if you guys when you did this, if you you guys you know what setbacks are, right? Once you set back from that and once you set back to everything you need to do with all your setbacks, you're going to end up with the same footprint you have now. You're not going to get anymore. The storm sewer is stopping you
041from going any further. So even based on that, I said, "Well, okay, let's look at AT&T." So I finally got a hold of AT&T and told them where that line was, showed them where it was line. We went over that. The only thing, if you could put any kind of septic field back there, it's going to have to be a raised bed field. That's the only thing that that division, the health division would allow. Essentially, when you do that, you have blocked that easement for utility service. They will not work on top of a a raised bed field to work on those lines. AT&T will not allow your your septic field to be over the top of that underground line. They're not going to allow it. They're going to fight you every step of the
042way. you would have to move those lines, those electric lines, the overhead lines, and you would have to move that underground line before you ever had a chance of doing anything else. And I asked, I said, "Well, how much would that cost?" And the answer I got was astronomical. And we as a village would have to give them another easement somewhere else. I did everything I could here for you guys, but this is what what you're up against. This is what you're asking us to do. >> We can't fight all these people for you. You guys would have you guys are responsible for this. You would be responsible for all costs, legal costs and whatnot going forward. And a lot of these people, utilities, they want their fees up front before they'll even consider anything.
043And I don't they wouldn't tell me how much that fee is. So then I ended up with DTE historical real estate division and that is according to them a platted easement. I can't find that here in the village. I'm not going to fool but tell you I can't I can't. But that's what they're they're saying that's historically a platted easement. They're very sure of that. I didn't even know they had an historical real estate division. I did not know, >> but this is what they do. And they DTE owns property all over here. A lot more than I what I understood from. Then I've got a meeting with the area manager to map all that out next week sometime at a lunch. She wants me to go to lunch with her. I've never been invited
044to lunch. So anyway, guys, this is so so I tried to, you know, anything I could say yes, I always went in with saying yes. this what if we did this? Yes. What would happen? What would happen? And I'm sorry I kept coming up with no. My recommendation here is that we don't do this. But it's up to the pleasure of the council if they want to make a promotion or a proposal and vote on this this evening or just have me proclaim what what I feel it it it as as president of the community. I could just stand up and do it. I didn't do that for you guys. I went to bat for you guys. I went and I looked at all this. It took considerable amount of taxpayer money and time to
045do this with Katie. Katie was also there with me in the office all the time going through this. So, it's my it's what you guys pay me. It's what you guys pay her. I I have to do some water testing later this summer. And when I get down there, I'm going to go down there. I know I think I know where the book is that covers all this down there. And it's like a good idea, but it's going to be like a treasure hunt from 1985 back. It's all in books down there somewhere. And I got to find the right book. Who who told you you had to arrange septic? >> Michigan Department of Health. >> I'm sorry. Oakland County Department of Health. >> It depends on what soil you have. >> It it kind
046of goes back to easements and the the lines that are under there. If you don't have the funds to move the lines and we don't have a spot to put these easements, there's nothing that you can do. Raise better or not, doesn't really matter. >> You you have a storm sewer, they're not going to let you go underground with with a with a typical old style septic field back there. They're not going to do it. >> Yes. >> And plus you have you plus you have the underground communications lines right there at the end, right? It's It's seven foot from you at at your property and it's five foot from you when I get to your property, Dave. >> It It's somewhere in that range. >> It would have to be moved. >> Yeah. >>
047At your expense. >> I don't know about that. >> Oh, I do. >> Okay. >> I didn't get that told just once to me. I got it told to me a number of times. >> I guess my question is, is this an agreement to go to the community? If we were to keep this land over or convey this land to these two property owners, is that a great work you're trying to do is convey for the village all people in the village, right? >> Yes, sir. The village would no longer have access to this building. or the old firewall as well from the rear. >> Yes, we essentially once those raised field goes in that alleyway is blocked considered blocked. I mean, you know, you might get through it a little bit, but uh you
048can't you certainly utilities can't bring their heavy equipment back there if they got a repair. It's not going to happen. So, that's everything I got. If there's anything else you guys want, you you come by the office after we get the minutes written wrote and stuff and I'll see that you get you from your freedom of information act. >> Yes. Dave, >> didn't you already give away a portion of the LA? >> I'm sorry. What? >> Didn't you already give away a portion of the LE? >> No, not this council. No, we didn't. That was done in 2007. So it was then but not >> record I'm not >> what are you going to do with that property back there Dave >> don't know yet >> you can't do anything with it it's dead zone
049>> if you have a raft that you have to have a slope to take it down by 10 ft it's all >> I'm not going to argue civil engineering with you because you're not a civil engineer and neither am I will not be on the so-called gallery. >> Yes, Mike. >> Um the village council that was in in action in 1977 is when the pro the property that is adjacent and contained formerly contained by the Porter family, Porter Australian family and the Bowman family are the ones that asked for abandonment and council decision at that time was that it had no utility value to the village anymore and if the neighbors were willing to take it over then that was all well and good with them which they never did exercise until I asked the
050council to re-evaluate the situation let let us move forward with that >> and I think the problem was an ordinance that was done improperly and we had all we had to do was fix that ordinance with with legally. >> The prior prior council and the people involved did not do anything after the decision was made to abandon. >> Yeah. That's and from an economical point of view, why would you spend $2500 on a survey back at that time to redo your description and you have functional use of the property anyways, which is not the case here. I know why that was put in that north south section that was put in to get to the railroad depot. That was the purpose why it was put in from get downtown city railroad depot down on Basil
051been gone for a long time. Any further questions? Any further comments at this point? >> Can we get copies of this stuff? >> Yeah, Dave. When we get done, when we get the minutes, so you got everything done that we'll have on file. You can have it. You've got your foyer comm uh uh request in. We'll we'll value that. So, >> can I get a prop? Yes. I'm sorry, Chris. Yes. >> I just I just wonder is there going to be a motion? >> Yes. >> Make a motion to not >> convey property to anyone at this time. I will second >> in the future. >> I will second that. >> Second it. I'll take a roll call vote on that when you're ready. >> Did you still have something you wanted to say? >>
052No. >> Okay. >> Kennedy. >> Yes. >> Swag. >> Yes. >> Moore. >> Yes. >> Pelich. >> Yes. >> Hawkins. >> Yes. >> We're voting yes. We're not con. We're not abandoning. Right. >> We're voting yes. We're not abandoning. to not convey anyone at this time in the future. >> Okay. >> And that was that was a roll call on that. So >> yeah. Okay. I got it. >> Okay. On to the next item. >> Yeah, we had a roll call. Yeah. You're just getting old. I couldn't hear it. >> Oh, the plow truck. Okay. I I took the uh truck up to uh TLN uh the repair shop up there that uh was suggested to me and he had it for quite some time. And when I went back up there to talk to
053him about, I said, "Well, give me the news before this meeting. The downside of this truck is it's going to take over $20,000 of repairs to make that roadw worthy. It shouldn't be out on the main roads. I've got to use that this winter. I don't see us go getting around it there. There's too much wrong with it. All all the working components. If you go cab forward, everything's great. Everything's in great shape. But if you go all the working components in cab backwards, it's not so very good. the the belly blade brackets are rusted through. Uh I thought it was the the uh belly blade cylinders that weren't holding and had to be rebuilt, but I think there's movement in those brackets from rust from it rusting out. So, I don't know if they're
054broken through. I haven't been bad. I just got the truck back today. I'll start taking a look under there and seeing if what can be done, if anything can be done. Um, and the rear end is in bad shape. You you guys know I've already brought up about the uh salt uh arbor and and the uh spin plate and that hydraulic that's a hydraulic motor underneath. That's all got to be replaced regardless if we're going to use it this winter. It's going to be somewhere around 3,000 bucks. >> So, where we're at here is is the the problem is the guy says if I put all this money into it for you, this over he's the 20 grand place. He says, "It's just going to keep happening. The the truck, the frame, the equipment in
055the back in the back of it, it's had a hard life. You know, this is what is that's what it's done all its life is plow in the snow and the ice and and and spread salt. So, we spent a lot of money on that truck. So, I'm unfortunate. I I really I'm just giving you information. I really don't know what to do yet with all this. Is that one quote? Is there any value in getting a second third quote or at least the second one? >> Well, you can always you can always go to another mechanic. The problem is the rear end parts of the rear end is shot. >> It's just that expensive. Okay. >> So, and when you do that, I said, "Well, okay. So, if you fix this, what happens?" So,
056these bolts that I was told were broken. There's so much rust. The rust flakes off and it looks like they broke. They didn't really break. There's just that much rust. And and what happens when you you do that, you can't just replace those bolts on that rear axle. You've got to replace the whole thing, springs and everything to in order to get the right compression ratio for that truck to act properly on the road. That's what I was told. >> So, what's going to plow the snow in the winter time? >> Huh? >> What's going to plow the snow in the winter time? >> That truck. That sounds like a >> I just I'm just not going to be able. What I'm going to do is looking at is is getting a load of salt
057out here in the fall, putting it in the salt bar, and we'll just have to deal with that. I mean, a big load of salt. We generally we generally order 100 tons. We don't use 100 tons, but we order it. >> So, if we order we order 50 60 tons about we go somewhere 40 50 tons what we've been doing. >> Are you just talking the main roads? What I'm selling you is that if that truck gets caught on the main road and and gets uh caught by by a weight inspector and stuff, you we could get red flagged on that truck. We'd be in trouble. >> Shut the bottom. >> No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that the truck, you know, >> I would like a DPW in this village if we're
058going to have a village. >> We got to raise taxes then. We just have to. There's no way. We are literally on a shoestring right now. There is no money to be added. >> Just >> 20 years, no increases. Just can't do it. >> Just give me a little Just give me a little time here. Just I didn't want it to upset everybody tonight. But it's that kind of money, >> you know, and and >> there's two people left. We got have to make these fat, too. >> Yes. Mike, go ahead. >> Go ahead. What were you going to say? >> I don't We bought that truck in Right. >> Yes. >> Right before right during and it was $60,000. We at that time to buy a new chassis and the same the dump body
059the belly blade and salt spreading that that was $120,000 >> at least and the chassis and cab were $180,000. So given 20 $20,000 is a lot of money, but we I was not aware of a problem on the belly that apparently it's rusted bolts. The last mechanic thought they were gone. Um but he said we'd have to take it to Monroe because it's their equipment on there and they're the ones that >> be the ones to fix it. 20,000 sounds like a lot until you think about the last three years. We've spent $6,000 on maintenance and fixing the getting new drums, new brakes on it. None of that's cheap. And >> no, >> village is certainly not in a position to buy a new truck. >> And as Bill mentioned, it's still serviceable from a
060running gear point of view. But not with a broken or she say the new bolts on the axle. >> They're they're not broken, but the problem is it it this got to be replaced. They're so rusted so bad. And the brake the the the uh >> suspension uh springs are so bad. They need to be replaced. He couldn't ever even He said, "Even if I just put the new bolts on for you to hold that rear end together," he says, "I can't, you know, I can't get you the right compression for that truck to act right normally. it won't act like its normal self. He said he can't get the compression ratio that he needs for that rear end because there's so much rust in those springs. He would have to put new springs on
061it, too. That's, you know, so when you you start replacing stuff just because it got rusted out and old, you know, >> it adds up. >> Yes. We don't have facilities to wash the truck every time we come in from the cold. We don't. Although it is a heated garage and and we could do that, but there's not enough room in there. I mean, it's it's pretty small in that garage. Actually, actually, I was looking at redoing the front of the building and reworking it so we could put bigger doors on it, but I just don't see a way to be able to do it cuz you you got to be a jet pilot to get between them doors. I I don't want I don't want to pilot through there. I would give it to
062somebody else. >> So, the truck come into the annex and be washed out there. There's a drain. There's water. Hot water. >> I I don't know if the door is high enough. Um >> the annex. >> Yeah, >> it's got to be >> what? 20 ft. >> Yeah, it could be. >> You get the fire truck, >> right? >> Well, let's just stay tuned with the truck here. We're going to have to do what we can do here and see where it goes. I just didn't want you guys to say, "Well, Bill, you took did all this. Why didn't you get the truck fixed?" And they get it fixed because it's a damn much money. >> You guys question the >> Was he It was Craig and and and Andy, they were spreading gravel because
063the road graders down. So he >> Huh. >> Andy, >> he didn't want to plow snow anymore in the winter. Well, as a supervisor, I would quit half the job. >> Do you want me to fire him? >> No. I mean, I will do. I'm just trying to understand where we're at, what's going on. >> He asked me if he could stay on to cut grass. And I said, "Okay, I'll let you cut grass." And then then uh he's helping me do a lot of stuff other than cutting grass because we just don't have anybody else. >> Understood. So, I mean, he's he's getting paid his grass cutting wage to do it. >> Okay. >> And he did say this winter, he says if in an emergency, if needed, he would plow snow. >> Okay.
064So, is he still a supervisor then? >> He never was. >> No, that's not true. That's how we brought >> Well, we did. Well, I guess >> that's how we brought him in. >> Remember, because we couldn't just straight hire him as a supervisor. Yeah, I can represent >> I wasn't here for that. >> Where were you? >> Yeah, I'm sorry. >> You hired him. >> Yeah, he he hired I hired him while Don was still on the DPW. Don left under you. >> That was just recent. >> We moved him up a temporary status. We didn't move him up to full supervisor because he didn't get a rate and pray increase or anything. So we we moved him up in a temporary status and that was in the fall and that's right when we
065started having to plow snow and stuff. So for us to get people to work at the rate that he's working at to do this kind of work to for us to go find them, we're not going to find them. understood. I just to from the way I was raised, if you quit, you quit. >> Sorry. >> Well, yeah. >> We can discuss it more later. >> I just want the snow cloth in there cuz I didn't get it near last year and I live by you. I'll haunt you. >> Okay. >> I will haunt you. >> Let's move on to the president's report. I don't think so many. >> Okay. I have nothing on the Freedom of Information Act, but I think I'm going to get one this week. I'm pretty sure. >> At least
066one. >> Yeah. >> So, if you look at the last two pages of our agenda tonight, you're going to see something that is done automatically if we don't do this that I didn't know about. Um, apparently this is for the uh see black rants. Um, there's two letters here. One is for us to continue with the black grant program and one is for us to stop with the black grant program and the block grant program. Uh, uh, Lori had told us about this a while back that the changes that Oakland County made to the how you do the black grant program. Now we're going into a big betting pool of who's going to get what money when, I guess. So, >> it's a competitive grant now. Yes. Yes. Before there was like a for a
067lack of a better word a stipen. I would fill out the grant paperwork. We were just guaranteed seven grand every year. >> So what they did is they changed the setup now and it kind of like is um pulled so like larger municipalities that might have larger projects or they might have grant writers on staff can write them like maybe they would be allocated let's just say like $100,000 grant money. they could write and be granted 150 or more. So, um that's the negative. And just um unless you know, so I write them, we get the money. Um they they're they're a little bit rigid now on like the timeline. They want us to like have a shovel ready project as soon as that money is released to us. They want it used right away.
068struggle with it is this, you know, we should have a project in mind that we want and what we could do at some point is say like maybe pass for a couple years and just say, you know what, we're not going to participate for 3 years. After 3 years, go in, have a plan, and say we need $50,000 and do something real. >> You know what I'm saying? >> So, we're not stuck to the seven anymore, >> right? But it would have to be like when we know that money is being released, we would have to be like prepared in structure to do it. >> We can't um >> we can't not get started on it. So I just feel like in my humble opinion at this point I would just because it's it's a
069constant process of applying and then giving money back. Applying and getting money back. >> I'd prefer to pass just for a couple years and then go back. We used a thousand in the last couple years >> for gutters and that was in it. And I see those down spouts are not on right now. >> So for her, for our clerk, it's a lot of paperwork doing nothing, getting money and giving it back. This what she's doing with >> It does sound silly. So >> yeah. >> Well, it sounds like there's actually more opportunity now that it's kind of pulled. >> That's what they said is they said that, you know, like every year if I ask for a large amount, I might not get it. But if I went a few years without, there might
070be a chance that we could get something. So, I mean, as far as like planning commission goes, I know we have had we've made a sidewalk plan like to have some sidewalks. Could probably do something if we asked for a large sum at some point in the future. Just a thought, you know, it's for you. I'm not a voting member. I don't have say on that and you know, um, so it's up to you guys. >> And this response letter is to just keep us involved. >> Still have to apply. We don't have to do to stay involved. We don't have to do anything. It'll be automatically renewed. >> Gotcha. Okay. >> It's only what we have to do if we want to opt out for three years. 27 28 and 29. >> But then
071we take a chance that somebody might need something in 27 28 29. >> Well, we take a chance of filling out getting the money too. Yes, Mike. Oh, I'm sorry. Look at me. I'm just like I'm on a roll. I'm the boss now. Let me just take over. If I can sit back and relax, I'm happy. >> What happens with the funds that are currently in the villages? >> They they've taken them all. >> We we don't have any. >> We don't have any. Yep. They took them all back. >> Yeah. Just because they um you know >> they that metric that they have for what they have to do. So they >> Yeah. So, so we can stay in, but there's no insurancees that even if people need the money, we're going to get
072it and get it to them. >> Well, I mean, this is still like the furnace goes down and somebody applies for it and gets it, right? >> The other thing they do would be to go through Oakland County home improvement program because what we did do when they took that money back, >> they put it in the home improvement program. So, the thing of it is somebody could use that. They said that they were they said they were going to earmark it for a person in the village because it was our money initially, >> but this is still the money that if we didn't have this new change, they would be applying for this would be our $7,000. So, I hate to take that opportunity away from >> village residents if cuz a furnace does
073not plan out three years from now. Wells don't plan out three years from now. So if an emergency happened, we kind of need it right now, >> right? All >> there. I know there's just no guarantee that they would get it. There wouldn't have been a guarantee before anyhow. >> Well, there was a guarantee. As long as they did the paperwork, we got it. >> Yes. But now it's a competitive >> grant. So I'm competing against all the communities in Oakland County are involved except for Waterford. >> Waterford, >> they opted out and maybe others. I can't remember. Um so that would just be it's just a challenge because Um, >> and they probably couldn't give us any kind of likelihood that if somebody had an issue with a furnace that they could like I
074mean it seems like it would be a needed thing and that was what the fund was for originally. So >> I think the maybe I'm misunderstanding too but I think the old process just simplify it would be resident comes fills out the paperwork we can release some funds that we have like in our own internal accounts then we would get paid back. >> That was the old process. And now the new process would be I assuming they would have to come fill out the paperwork and then they end up waiting until we find out whether or not we're approved or not >> or well because I guess >> so they end up in >> let's say that we look for 7500 in for a furnace just take that as an example. If we put that
075money out but we don't get approved, do we have to go back to the the resident to get that funding or it just it creates a weird scenario. >> It does because the im the need is immediate. >> Well, um so what it is is this. So instead of it being like earmark money that we would just get, >> instead everybody's money got pulled. So like let's say um a really big municipality has a larger project that they want to do. >> Sure. um that falls under the circumstances. They could get more than what they used to be earmarked for. Maybe they were earmarked for 100, they could take 150, 200. So basically like some of us smaller ones maybe that um um are going to pass or whatever that they would have that money
076or they would decide who gets what, but they will be giving out a lot less and they want the amounts to be large. So, what they're saying is that this little pitily stuff that we're doing where I ask for $7,000, I sit on $7,000 for a few years and give it back. They don't want that. They want to do less and larger projects. And so so the issue is that furnace situation is problematic because I feel like and I don't know this because I have not been through it. So this would just be me intimating what I think like might happen. But from going to the meeting it sounded like um they were not going to do a little one for us. They would want something big. So that's really unfortunate. It's an unfortunate situation
077because I know the economy is tough and I know people are struggling but we >> we wouldn't have it to give and and the problem is also like if we were looking for a bigger chunk we would have to ask for like maybe let's say 20 or $30,000 for minor home repair. But once again >> You have to use it. And so that's that's a challenge. But I'm I'm finding it challenging to even find people to use seven year after year >> because they also have to they have to be approved. >> So the the home improvement program with a really low interest, you know, loan is like or however they work it. There might be there was forgiveness involved in that at one point with us putting money into it that they forgave a
078local resident who used that program. >> Right. That's exactly what what they did. >> Yes. The home improvement program itself is basically a reverse mortgage. >> So the resident gets their repairs, but the county ends up getting the property unless they do repay >> and they can replace they usually close those out at closings or sale of the house and do they make payments on it during the time or does it just >> I believe they can but I'm not an expert on >> Yeah. Right. in the past >> it was a new roll out. So really it's kind of unknown territory for like all of us at this point because none of us have gone through it one time >> to know but you know it's my feeling that maybe our chances might be
079better if we pass for a few years and then I know that it's it it's we can only use two programs you know which is the architectural barriers or minor home repair but it does give us a chance to get a chunk for architectural barriers where we could do something sidewalk. Maybe maybe >> I guess the part that stinks is the intention of the fund was to help out residents who had issues and now we're doing stupid I mean not stupid sidewalks. >> I know it's what they decided. >> Sidewalks are good but >> I know I know and I think it's just a 22 for us >> and it does it stinks that Oakland County doesn't want to deal with these small ones because they're saying little guy you don't matter anymore. Right. That's
080why deal with it and it's kind of easy to feel that way with this kind of stuff. You >> I can see where this is going to hurt people like us and the other small community in Oakland County. >> You know, it's the miscellaneous people here that have an issue and don't have those huge funds for the the new stuff. >> Correct. Correct. >> So, I hate to opt out of it, but it doesn't feel like we would get anything if we opted in. >> I did. We won't do the seventh. So, >> so if we had three years of a furnace here, a hot water tank there, something else, could we apply for those at the third year to get reimbursed? >> No, it doesn't work that way. And it actually takes them an
081extra year to release the funds. >> So, once we go through the whole process, once it's been approved, it's almost full calendar year >> before we actually see it. So, it really is kind of like a long haul item. But unfortunately, I would like back in the day, like early on, they would let you stock up the money and then you could use it one toward one thing and they were eating a community's pool and go, you know what, I'm going to give you, you know, cuz Orian didn't use it maybe because they're small too and they get a small amount. They could give money toward like a project like the the mill. But all of that has ended. I think just um HUD has said you get the money, you use the money. You've
082got the like a calendar year to use it and you better be ready, you know, to use it. And so that's the really unfortunate part. I know it makes me sad because I what I love about this is I love helping the people that live in this community out. >> It certainly makes it harder for us >> for us. It really is. I mean, I guess that being said, then we probably opt out for a little while and then when it comes time, yeah, get every stick and sidewalk done that we can get done. >> Then we opt back in >> knock them all out, >> right? >> Sitting back and listening. What the the plan that comes to my head and take this with a grain of salt because it's not really a plan.
083It's just what I was thinking. >> Um, if we opt out for three years, that gives us two years to figure out what we're doing with Elwood Street, Rochester Road. or not street but Rochester Road Forest Street. Get that project completed through the point where it's usable, functional, everything's good. Then we use that third year to come up with a plan for sidewalks or whatever we want to do with that. I think right now the workload in terms of the projects that we have is probably more useful giving labor to those versus you know paperwork just to stay involved in the program. And it doesn't sound like even if we did the labor to stay involved in the program, we have a chance at anything. So >> So you say there were too much paperwork
084on the small side. >> So I agree with you. Unfortunately, >> it's not. >> It just sounds like the original intent is gone. >> Yeah. Sounds that way, too. Yeah. I guess in the interest of being forward, I'd like to make a motion to not proceed forward or like to make a motion to allow president to send the letter of no interest in the CBD force 2829 to be reevaluated. I would say spring of 29, fall 28. >> I support Okay, let's do one more roll call vote on this one. >> Yeah, >> we'll finish up the night that way. >> Okay. Um, Pelich, >> yes. >> Swag, >> yes. >> Hawkins, >> yes. >> Kennedy, >> yes. >> Moore, >> yes. >> Okay. I have nothing on ordinance enforcement this evening. Let's go on
085to cable commission. >> Um, there's the HP 5123. Um, basically they're a bill that where they're trying to take the peg fees. It's like a lender. It's a whole thing with um I think how it is like it's more of an option right now. They want to pay the peg fees where this bill would take the peg fees away from all of the like the >> moneyies. So that that's something that the manager Terry's kind of working on and trying to to have a voice on. So she's been actually going off to like lancing and advocating that it does not go through. So that that was the biggest update from our last meeting and I can forward you this email if you'd like that she sent just kind of for me. >> We forward it
086just to the village and we can get it that way. Anybody that wants it can get a copy. >> I think it should Okay. Is that it, John? >> Yep. >> Thank you. Anything from the decorating committee? >> No. >> We have a new flag. >> We got a new flag. >> We we flower pots look great. >> The flower pots. All the flower pots are full. >> The flowers are all done in the uh nature uh park >> park. So when they grow in, they're going to look nice. Oh. Oh, I have everything in order. I just got to get down to the assessor now. The tax for the property deal. >> Okay. >> I have everything now. Before I lose it, I better get my butt down there. >> North Oakland Transportation Authority.
087I the uh the renovation of the office complex is going quite well. Uh, everybody's happy with that. Um, and I think we've we've grown again in ridership or something. I'm trying to remember what we said about that. We grew quite a bit again. >> Yeah, we're about 120 routes. >> 120 routes, >> seven, not uh weekends slightly less and uh we have the church routes covered on Sundays. So, 130 employees give or take. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> Oh, boy. >> Okay. Is there anything from the planning commission? >> Do we need to have a meeting or should we have a meeting? >> Um, >> probably just wait it out. >> If we could pass this month, I'd really appreciate it. Yeah, I think um but I we'll just talk later about the next
088month. I think we should because >> next month we probably should bits that need to be >> okay. So I I will make a motion to cancel June um planning commission meeting. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. Motion carries. Polyand Trail Management Council. Uh, we got a we got a meeting this month, don't we, Mike? >> Yeah. Thought so. Yeah. >> 17. Got a full month. So, I have nothing really new or earth shattering on that right now. Village Park. We I just we just did some work. Our park committee did some work out there and we did talk to them about what in the park meeting we I brought up the thing we talked about with the funds tonight with them previous to that. So they were they were in favor of it
089just not sitting there doing nothing. So >> we're we're all good there. And we've already talked about the community development block grant. So if there's nothing else >> Yes. Go ahead, Alex. Do we need to have service on the zeroturn or anything coming up soon? >> Zeroturn's good. Zero. We put a lot of work in the last uh two springs into the zeroturn. It's doing cutting quite well right now. >> I just don't know if we need to do like the annual oil changes or anything. >> We already did that last year. >> Yeah. >> We did we did oil change builder stuff last year. >> Okay. Community blocks grant. We already went through that. So, at this point in time, is there anything else for any council member? Anybody want to say anything? Nothing.
090I think we're done. We're all done talking. Okay. I bring I I vote we uh join this meeting at 8:17. >> All in favor? I >> opposed. Let's go home.