001Okay, it's uh 7 o'clock. So, let's call to order the village of Oxford Planning Commission. This day, September the 15th, 2025. If we'll all stand, uh please pled our respects to the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. Uh madam secretary, if you please call role. Ballard >> here. >> Lyn's absent. Gazdor. >> Gazdor. >> Gazd. Am I saying it wrong? >> Gas door. >> Okay, that's what I said, right? >> Oh, okay. I do it. >> Okay. >> Kyle >> here. >> Schultz >> here. >> And knock >> here. >> Um, Flynn does have an excused absence. So, um, there's no need to do a motion to excuse.
002Uh so it brings us now to uh All right. Let's uh do I do I have a motion to approve tonight's agenda? >> So moved. >> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Uh all those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any oppose. All right. We have a approved agenda. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes stated August 19th, 2025? >> Make a motion. I have a second board. >> Okay. All those in favor say I. You >> support it. >> Okay. >> Uh Madam Secretary any correspondence? >> There were not. >> Okay. So we'll move on to uh uh public comment. Is there anybody in the public that has comment? >> We need not open. >> What's that? >> Never mind. I'm sorry. >> Okay. >> Sorry. >> Uh
003so seeing that there is no public comment, we'll move on to uh to our to the public hearing that we have tonight. Um before we have the public hearing, uh Mario, will you please go through uh your review up until the up until the crushless to the criteria of approval review comments. >> Oh, until the just so that we all understand what the hearing is for. >> Your public well, okay, >> because we're not in the public hearing yet. It's an explanation of >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, tonight we're here to consider, as noted, uh, a special use sign review for 72 South Washington Street. This site is 23,700 foot and it's occupied by the two-story Kittton uh, medical plaza multi-tenant office building. Uh so within this zoning district of C1 core, uh
004a business is permitted one square foot of wall signage per lineal foot of storefront uh up to a maximum of 30 square ft. Um based on a site visit and the um and the information to clear up the information provided, the tenant is occupying two uh storefronts. So with a maximum of approximately 60 square linear foot of uh storefront. So they're having a maximum signage even though they have 60 ft they have the maximum signage of 30 is what's permitted. Um Napling has been in an application for a channel cut letter internally illuminated wall sign. Uh the site area uh definition within the zodia or ardance specifies that the area is the entire area within a rectangle or square enclosing stream limits of the science structure. The dimensions provided were a little bit more precise
005than than this. It's it's you know the measurement of each individual component rather than than the uh the way we measure sign area. But based on the standard rendering uh the applying for a 41.5 square foot sign as we measure. So technically they are lack of compliance with the zoning ordinance, but the zoning ordinance does allow the applicant request a proposed sign be considered by the planning commission as special use. So we're here tonight consider this as a special use sign to allow for the installation of a 41.5 foot internally illuminated channel cut uh letter sign on the side. >> Thank you, Mario. Uh so with that being said, what I would like to do is now uh bring us now to the um to the public hearing. So do I have a motion to
006open up the public hearing? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. All those in favor? I >> I >> Okay. Now we're in the uh public uh uh the public hearing. Does anyone in the public have comments to make? And if they do, step up to the podium, give your name, address, and uh any comments that you have. >> Is this regarding our item? >> This is regarding the sign. Yep, that's right. >> Just a point of clarification. So, this is the >> This is for your res this is this is the public hearing. So, anybody in the public can make a cut related to the sign itself. Yes. >> But are you the contractor? >> Yes. you might want to. Yeah, he he's here to answer questions. >> So, if nobody in the public
007has any comments to say about the sign, do I have a motion to close the public hearing? >> So, moved. >> Okay. So, we have a uh we have a motion from uh from Tom and then a second from Who gave me the second? >> Yep. All those in favor? I. >> Any opposed? Okay. The public hearing is now closed. Okay. Now we get Now we can get to the new business at hand. So the new business at hand is the sign at first choice uh for first choice urgent care at 72 South Washington Street. So if you would like to step up and and and talk about the sign itself, that'd be great. I thought maybe you might have had comments to make about the sign specifically. Okay. >> No, we're just looking to
008replace existing sign. It is a generally lit existing sign. >> Yep. >> We did our best to condense it. Um obviously there's more parts of this one, but the urgent care is since changed its name. We're down to the urgent care is actually only 13inch letters. Um we've laid this out, I think, 13 different ways. And it was originally until we could split it and then until we weren't can split it and this is the most condensed we were able to get it so and still have it readable from any kind of distance. >> So that's where we're at right now. >> Um I assume that the circular logo is part of the sign calculation. Um Mario, is the calculation like considered a rectangle that would go up over the top like a a complete
009rectangle? >> Yes, exactly. That's that's the thing is that we when it comes to channel cut letters, you measure the extreme limits of the height and then extreme limits of the width. Okay. just so that way because it's just it makes it simpler because you know if you didn't have that people would be measuring the internal the entire thing of the H or something that effect so it's just easier this way. So are all the letters like first choice urgent care circle are they all 13 in? No, just to surgic care is 13 inch. Everything else is down around 6 in. It's like a bar. >> Oh, so first choice is 6 in. >> My glasses >> probably except for the one. >> The one. >> Yeah, the one is tall letter. So that's the
010one that throws everything off. The one is 20 in and he doesn't have a broke down ST, but you're probably 10 in on the C and you're probably closer to 6 in on the smaller letters. just uh from my understanding. So could you take that? I'm sorry. Let me set that Mario. So uh if if they took the first down, this is I'm just I'm just asking questions. So for my own certification. So if they took the first down by size, would they would would they be within, you know, say they took it down to the, you know, 10 inches or whatever, would they would that help out with the calculation or does that circle potentially? But, uh, you know, once again, it's hard to tell because of the, um, the distance between each individual
011component, but the first itself is 20.15 in. So, it would cut it down. I see what you're saying like if the one and the ST were the same height as the choice letter, right? >> But then, you know, it would save a little bit, but uh you wouldn't get a significant distance because if you look at, for example, if you look at the mortar line of the brick, the top of the circle, that mortar line and drive drag it over, it's only the very screen limits of the one and the T. So, you're not really saving, you know, Once again, part of this is possibly the way we measure the sign area, but the intent is, you know, if the applicant uh the applicant is choosing channel cut letters and so the the background of
012the building lends itself to a part of the contrasting part of the sign and if they chose a box sign and this the same size and then it would be, you know, a panel that would be contrasting color, not the brick itself. So, it's just a different choice. Um, you have to know uh lab corp that's on the corner. Um, what's their total square foot? That's got That's got to be That's got to be too uh I do believe that they I want to say they exceeded it and they did get a special use per Well, I think they had a I think they're just at 30 square foot because I do believe they came and they did get special use approval. not special use. They they had assigned review for internal elimination. So that's
013all it was. I don't recall them being an actual special use sign to exceed it. Um >> Mario, >> it was not a special use sign. >> No, it was a it was it fit within the uh fit within our requirements. >> It was just internally >> Mario. Um uh would this applicant be able to in the future should they ch switch out this style sign for a box sign of the same dimensions if we approve this tonight. >> No, because uh the application for tonight is for the this application and this particular uh configuration and setup. So it's not like a variance that runs with the land and then somebody they have the right to that amount of signage. >> It's a special use and the special use is predicated on the conditions proposed.
014>> Okay. this particular sign. >> Thank you. >> So, another uh if if uh or well, first choice, excuse me, were to leave um the new applicant that would have to come in would have their own sign if they if they exceeded the 30 square feet, then they would have to come in first. >> Correct. So, uh, Mario, based on, uh, how you calculate the sign, is it because of, um, so from a left to right, um, it's it's wider and longer. Is that basically what you're saying? Because of the circle, uh, circle logo over to the right >> basically. And then basically, you know, the the the amount of space uh, that's that's occupied in the upper, I guess you call that the upper left and upper right. uh of on the other either
015side of first choice. >> You know, if I was a graphic designer, I I don't know if this is the right terminology. I think, you know, it's like the use of negative space and that that area above the area of care. And it's it's also I'm sure it's because of uh this is their particular font for their particular business and this is a particular configuration for their um their business and then and their their their branding their branding and then they also want to emphasize that while it is first choice it's also an urgent care so that's thing but um so yeah and I I believe that the the silent design of the of the the content of the sign. Technically, you know, Icy uh is um does factor in to the the creation of
016the sign area, but then so it's the choice of the applicant and then that's why they're they're they're requesting they have the option of coming in front of us to request this as a as a as a option and then if they meet the if you feel they meet the criteria then it's up to you to decide that that's appropriate. I can go over that criteria if you want. >> Before you go over that criteria, I have a couple questions. So, is it when you guys were designing the sign knowing that the it's um you know, it's the maximum square footage is 30 square feet, were they not um and you're trying to get the wording and and the verbiage is that would the circle and the logo if it was reduced in size and
017brought over to is there reason why it has to be there specifically? This is pretty much the standard layout we've done in all the other locations. This is actually the last location to be completed. >> How many other locations have you done? >> We've done six other six others are done. Seven is getting installed next week and we're waiting to fabricate this one. >> We have a total of 18. >> Total of 18 all together. >> So this configuration is basically your the brand. >> Yeah, that's the brand. So we did, you know, if we requested by the city, we did break it up and put it, they said, well, it's 30 square feet per unit. They had us redesign it, split it up over two units, and they came back and said after we
018done that, made many revisions. They came back and said, no, it has to be a one unit. So we redid the one unit. This particular location's been drawn two dozen times. So we've squeezed every inch out of it we can. And obviously the first being the taller letter and the circle being a little bit taller. That's even reduced greatly. That's technically larger than other locations. We we have modified this every way possible, but still kept it to look like the original brand. Now, if you total up the pieces together, 26.99 is what it comes out to. So, it's being the city measures it as a rectangle >> that makes it difficult. Um, we're not ask you to get a lot more square footage. We're just trying to to make this logo fit within the ordinance.
019We got it pretty close. >> Um >> and the tenant does have multiple spaces. >> Mar, will you go through uh will you go through your criteria, please? >> Yes. Um but we do have our criteria rather than requiring the applicants. Uh we have this these special use criteria. So we look at things like whether the proposed sign would obscure the vision of drivers. You know this is a wall sign that's practically flush against the wall. Uh so it's not and it's not going to project a significant distance off the wall. So it's not going to uh impact the clear vision of any any any adjacent drivers. Make sure the second criteria is cons making sure it's consistent material used for construction on other lots and signs in the area have been recently installed uh
020with similar materials. Even the labor sign on the building uh is of a particular you know metal channel cut letter sign. So it's consistent with those materials. Um we want we want to ensure that no part of the sign extend higher than uh the height of any other structure and it will not. It's a two-story building. It's not the first. Then we look at whether it show if this sign would be located. So it blocks the view of other signs and it does not. It's flat. It's it's a flush wall sign against that doesn't project a significant distance out. So it's not going to block it. So one other thing just to point out is uh we we also make sure that the generally compatible with the overall community character. You know, so the the
021sign is located in the C1 core and the C1 core is our more pedestrian oriented downtown with historic structures. But you know, recently we have seen a lot of use of channel cut letter signs on the brick facades with the in the downtown. So that so this type of uh contrast is consistent with like the current aesthetics that people have been been utilizing. There are many ES have chosen this this particular mix of metal materials against a brick facade. So, it's a it's a contrast between the modern type styles and the materials of the more historic character. So, it does seem to be consistent with what's and the recent aesthetic that people the businesses have chosen >> in the C1 district. >> Uh I'm sorry. >> In the C1 district. >> Yeah, in the C1
022district. Yeah. They they've been going this route. Um, we do know though that as an internally illuminated sign, you know, that the potential always exists to cause a sense of glare if the light levels were extremely illuminated uh could be overly harsh and distracting. So, we just recommend as we normally do a photo sensor with an automatic dimmer be installed to automatically control the signs level, the outside ambient light levels. So, based on the fact that the sign will not be obscuring vision of drivers, it will other signs. We do believe uh it's consistent with the u the uh approval criteria of the ordinance and we would recommend approval cons contingent upon uh the installation of the photo sensor with an automated >> right. I mean like most of these rules that we have are
023basically like rules that say don't be a nuisance. >> Correct. Correct. Basically does the intent of the sign regulations like area, location, and size. It's just to make sure that no one particular business is going above and beyond to overly in an attempt to feel the need to call excessive attention to themselves and other business. You know, we want all the business to play on the same same playing field. And so please, yeah, these are intended to not be a nuisance and make sure that and they are more geared towards freestanding or or ground monument signs because those could be located in such a way to obscure drivers vision to block other signs and that sort of thing. the wall signs and their size. You know, it is it is um a little tough because
024a lot of businesses a lot the 30 square foot requirement, you know, make sure that everybody's in the same playing field, but then some tend to have a larger uh tenant space. It's just that this particular tenant uh building is has the uh vertical stone column separating the two units. So, in theory, they could center the in the middle of the two units, but they just didn't have that as an option. So, I get they they're choosing a configuration to maximize the amount of space they have above their door. It seems to be >> uh do you know how many two unit within that particular building or >> Yeah. >> Uh well, I do >> just wondering how many more are going to come back, >> right? Yeah. Well, directly to the north of this,
025so at the corner of it, I do believe there's two units. Looks like their configuration was for a two unit space. So, another 60 foot wide uh facade. So, in theory, they'd be limited to 30. So, they might come back depending on who the who their proposed request. So, it is kind of, you know, We can only review this application based on the ordinances that are in front of us. Now, we believe that the wall signs and and whether they exceed the standard sign area. That might be an issue we want to look at if you wanted to have criteria that applies to that versus these that are a little more ground sign occupied. While I understand it might seem like the method we use for sign areas might not seem as accurate as as
026some companies might think. You know with McKenna we have hundreds of clients and I write zoning ordinances all the time. This is a standard practicing route because if not you have you know you have people with large tight faces and and everything uh every typographic configuration or orientation and they would be once again measuring the inside of a G as as a negative space to not get their sign area so they can increase the sign in certain cases. This is this is an attempt to once again have a consistent approach to measuring sign area and the use of negative space is a is a is a valid use of signage. But in the end, we do think that they meet the approval criteria. It's an attractive sign and and and I think because it has
027that negative space, it's not going to seem overly out of scale with the prop with the location of too fits the scale of that particular kind of space too. I think >> so. I I guess maybe my my particular comment is this is that is that I don't want to tell business owners what to do because it's their sign and their branding, but at the same time we have an ordinance. Our ordinance is 30 square feet, right? And for not not to say that just because I've been here for a certain amount of time and I we have never changed it is that there's there's a very specific rule that we have. Yes, that we allow variations but I don't believe I haven't from the time I have been here we haven't allowed a variation
028a variant related to this. So my I guess maybe my concern is if we allow a variant for this and then the next one might be just a little bit bigger. the next one might be just a little bit bigger and it's like it's not that much bigger, but you allow this person down the street to be able to do it. My personal thing is it's 30 square ft. Figure out how to get it in 30 square ft. That's that's my personal. So, I'll need to do that. >> Go ahead. >> I I agree. Um when I was on the planning commission 100 years ago, that that was a huge discussion. Uh and and uh we were pretty adamant when when people came back and and asked for um you know variances if you will
029too, you know, the size, the shape, the color, all that kind of stuff. And um I mean I I I like the sign. Uh that was one of the comments I had as well. You know, that's why I asked, you know, how many other businesses are, you know, are going to come before us? And we have one right next door that that could come and say, "You know, it's mine. It has to be 50 square feet or 60 square ft. So that's um I'm I'm pretty sensitive to that as well. >> I I mean I I don't think something like that size would even fit. I mean if you're looking at what's already there and this is actually visually looks smaller than what's already there. At least based upon what I can see at Google.
030Like it's literally a giant box. And this is actually I mean my two cents a little more aesthetically pleasing than what they have. It looks like there are spaces for potentially one double uh maybe two other double ones. But I mean the other thing to think is it's like all right well fine if we want them to stick to the 30. Do you want a sign? Like I know they're not going to do it, but do you really want a like like a sign on above every single door? Because then you're asking for a whole like the whole script mall potentially if you know to all have three square foot signs where if I would I would rather choose one 42 foot sign than two 30 square foot signs. But I mean it just I
031think something to think about cuz I looking at it I think it's an improvement from the sign that they already have and I don't think that that sign is all that much smaller bigger. Do you do you know what the current sign size is? Actually, I do believe the current sign would be consistent with E30 foot because I think that's another sign that they did come in for sign review for internal limitation, but they didn't apply for special use for a sign above the signage. >> I um my comment about that is um you described that you tried it and you couldn't do it any other way, but we don't have a way understand that or gauge that. So, um I feel like I'm kind of in the middle between the idea of keeping it
032within 30 square ft and yet it is does have some aesthetically pleasing components, but um I'm not convinced that you know you you can't make this work within 30 square feet. So, if there is a reason you couldn't you haven't and to me you haven't the case to me that I understand. >> The hardest part with this logo is your first ST is taller than your choice. And this is something we often run into with logos. If they have a tail and a Y or a Q or something like like that. A lot of communities, they won't measure that because it's not the verbiage, it's the tail, and that tail will take up or double the square footage and the way it falls. In the case of this one, the one ST is taking up
033a ton of square footage and you have a ton of negative area on both sides of the first choice. So, and like I said, the OM connect we had already shrunk. We tried laying it out with line. You lay it out in line. The urgent care gets so small you can't see it. What's the purpose of an urgent care? To treat somebody that's got an urgent medical issue. And if we make it any smaller, then we're not serving the community because you can't see the sign. If they can't find the urgent care when they need it, it's kind of pointless. So the branding of this particular client is first choice. And the Aqued Medical, in order to have urgent care of any size at all, I had to keep it on top the same way
034we've done all the other locations. Um, terms of size, this is by far the smallest, by far the smallest of all locations. So, we've laid it out in line. We've laid it out stacked. We've stacked the care. Same format we have here is the same format we have at all the other locations. We kept it lined, just shrunk it as much as we possibly could to the point that like the ST, I think the CH the C is probably closer to 10 inches. The ST are probably closer to six. Um, I can't go much smaller and illuminate them. Any smaller than that, then I'm going to get into our making a box sign. We'll go back what we have. And personally, I don't find box signs that aesthetically pleasing. It's kind of like the last
035resort. Um, other than cutting out their name or logo and just making say urgent care, then they're not writing who they are. So, that's kind of the options that we're down to. So, I'm not a sign designer and I'm not I'm not here to critique the design at all because at the end of the day, your design is the design. It has nothing to like whether it's pleasing to me or not pleasing, whether the old one's pleasing, whether the new one's better. To me, it's it's relevance. It's a that's not what we're here for. We're here because of the 30 square feet specifically. And if if I think if I um heard Mario correctly, it is a box size. So basically, it's a specific uh linear length. It's a um very specific um uh height.
036And it sounds as though the business owner's layout or design is exceeding that, which once again, I'm not here to critique how their layout is. It just doesn't fit within the parameters of what we have. Um, I I look at it and I think there's one small change that could be made to make it fit and make it work within the within those parameters. I just have a I just don't want to set a precedent to say that the next company that comes in and says I want to I I would like to have a sign that's has a variant as well because choice one has got it uh and mine's going to be able and the next neighbor says all right that's the next one. That's the only concern that I have. So once
037again I I like it. >> So I remind you the three the dimensions of the components it's 27 square feet. They're correct. >> It's just the layout of that design. What's that logo? >> What's connect as opposed to first choice? >> Yeah, it's um our occupational medicine franchise. >> Okay. So, separate company shirt has two. >> So, the urgent care and occupational medicine. I I don't want to get into a design situation either, but but as you were going through that, was there a way to reduce the the circle and move it over above care? I mean, yeah, I don't want to get it too grouped up, but that would save you a significant amount of space. >> So, do you want to speak to that? >> I'm trying to visualize. Now, so kind of
038if you if you if you take this and and either reduce it and or move it over here closer >> and if that's what you guys recommend, it's it doesn't align with the rest of the 18 locations and it might look really clumpy. I don't >> I I understand that. That's why, you know, and I I was I was biting my tongue initially because I'm I I agree with Justin. I don't want to design yours, >> but but I it was I didn't know if you had given that any thought and discarded it for some reason or >> I think it was part of one of the the many things we were going back and forth on and it looked very look. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any more questions? >> I have no more
039questions. I have no more comments. Um CJ, do you have any questions or comments? Not on this particular matter. I guess going in the maybe going in the future, Mario, if we wanted to say um you talk about people measuring the inside of the gene and we wanted to assign like someone four like three or four rectangles that they can use to measure a sign. Is that like possible? like a possible thing that we can do rather than just have it be one square. >> You you can they reference the fact that at one point their initial application had one sign on one over one tenant space and another sign on another. But then it's, you know, technically we only allow one wall sign. So then because it's separated like that, is that one wall
040sign or is that two? like how big do you make the rectangle and how much you separate it out. So then if you have a component of it in one area or another, that's another thing. But but to answer your question, yeah, if you wanted to, you could make these other type of uh measurement criteria. Sometimes you don't, you know, with with particular ones uh businesses and their proposed um configurations, we just say total square footage of 30 square foot and then they do decide. And then if you did want to go ahead and do individual uh individuals uh geometric shapes, you could do that. So then basically the sign the logo would be one shape and then the the first choice but you know it's >> is it precedented like the success >> it
041it >> it's rare but it can happen. Uh the reason is is because the second you do like if you say you limit it to two geographic shapes somebody's going to say I want three you say three somebody wants four you want. So I mean it is possible and I understand but you know it's just >> it's one of those things where like the um >> the the method the intent of the method is consistent the intent of this sign area method is consistent throughout many many many communities that I personally work with in metro Detroit and throughout the Midwest and and this is the way they usually measure it and then and because it's interesting because you you know somebody chooses a particular G with a long draping uh logo uh drop down you
042know component of the G you mentioned that and then suddenly they decide to change it and then suddenly it's it's raised up a lot more so they just they maximize there's ways to to that people compensate for and I I would say that probably what this is forgive us for this does actually your application but I but I think that is uh you're looking at some of the things that within the special use criteria approval there probably be other better criteria for wall signs versus other signs because like this I could see what you're saying in terms of like how you measure it >> maybe something like you take out the negative space or something that >> right just use because there are other ways to do it you could right to my like other
043members here like it seems insane to me that we're using the same criteria for a box that we are for channel cut those just seem like we're trying to avoid someone being a nuisance and we're ignoring the negative space offered in a channel cut line. It just it it seems like we're going to end up having a negative like do the opposite of what we're trying to do which is trying to like have like a really >> right have a sign screaming at us and I don't >> and maybe that's something that we can discuss in the future but it it just seems crazy that that's a lighted square area. >> Awesome. I appreciate your comments. Appreciate it. >> Uh Regina, do you have any questions or comments? >> No, no. I I you know,
044I No, not at this time. >> Okay, Leslie, >> one more thing I would say is that I'm I remain unconvinced that the size of urgent care needs to be that big for people to find it. I don't think that's a compelling argument. Um I just wanted to add that one comment. >> Okay, Tom. Uh, I'm all set. Thanks. >> Okay. Um, so I I would say uh at this time what I'll do then is um I would like to make a motion to approve the variant for sign for the sign at 72 Street contingent upon recommendations outlined in the McKenna letter um specifically concerning the phototric sensor with automatic dimmer. >> I second. >> Mer if I may. Yes, you would mind instead of using your various modification >> modification. >> So that way
045if that's okay just that way. >> Thank you for that. I'll I'll definitely take So uh modification >> one other comment. Um >> um so we have a motion on the table. Uh there's support. So I don't think we can make comments now. Can we? >> You can. >> Okay. Go ahead. Sorry. >> No, no, no, no. I want to make sure we follow the room as well. Uh, did you also we we didn't get anything from the DDA, right? >> No. >> Did you also want to get anything from the DDA from their comments or or No. >> No. Okay, that's fine. >> Roll call. >> Yes, please. >> Okay. Ballard? >> No. >> Gazdorf? >> Yes. >> Hilac? >> No. >> Schultz? >> No. >> The Knock? >> Yes. Thank you guys. All
046right. Uh that now takes us we have no old business. So uh leaves us now to public comment. Uh is there anyone in the public that has comment? All right. Seeing uh seeing none of that um consulted or administrative comments? >> I do not hear any >> Mario. Uh, no. At this time, other than I think you had a good discussion and and I appreciate those that feedback and it does seem like, you know, maybe if we're going to take this opportunity to drop in some language with regards to the lighting, maybe this might be an opportunity to to specify requirements for um wall signs versus ground monument signs. And then too, if you wanted to reook at how we define design area, >> you know, we could do that too if you want. >>
047Yeah. Um, I mean, I I feel like I made my like statement already. It hasn't changed much from the last couple of minutes. Um, and you brought up the concern that like they could ask for more more squares in the future. Um, that doesn't really seem that like compelling of an issue as like I I just don't think that many people that would ever become like a realistic thing that people ask for six different different squares. But um I I think that >> long enough you see a whole lot of stuff, >> right? But so three or three or four seems seems fine. Like actually I'd probably go with three on the high end. Um and and when they come back with a with a another sign, I just hope that it doesn't look worse
048than the one that we have in front of us right now. >> But that's a personal judgment issue to the ordinance, which is to apply equally to everybody. >> Sure. And we're trying and we're trying to set up something that like essentially asserts like the best interest of the of the community through an ordinance that applies to everybody having >> which I think is why looking at changes to the ordinance is an order but we don't have that today >> right that's right we use the tools that we have right now so it's um Yep. Okay. Uh so now it brings us now to uh reports. Um unfortunately we don't have any reports from the township since we don't have any representatives. Uh ZBA >> hasn't met >> no meetings. Uh DDA which uh um
049Joe is not here to kind of give us any information on the DDA. So >> they did get their bids in and they're going to start the sidewalk projects and that um and they got the scarecrow fest coming up in October 5th. >> Yep. >> That I do know. That's about it. >> Yeah. Awesome. Uh lastly, now this is like a commissioner comments if we have anything else to uh comments to say. >> One quick uh >> and things specifically like the sign anything regarding the downtown area. Can we make it like a a standard to get comments back from the DDA? >> Yeah. It'd be really helpful email. >> That's fine. Yeah. like in something like because we've always asked, you know, any sign that's come before us said, you know, can we get
050something from the EDA and we just forgot to ask for it this time. But I think it' just be nice to, you know, since we're playing in their space. Yep. >> Uh so now it brings us uh to adjourn. All those in favor?