001I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. Noting of the role. >> Notice there is a form. >> Thank you. Approval of the agenda. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as presented. >> I'll second it. I have a motion by Treasurer Ferrari, a second by Trustee Wagner. >> Shapiro. >> No, Shapiro. >> Shapiro. >> Bring him got it wrong and there was three of them. Trustee Shapiro. Um, any questions? All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. I. >> Those opposed. Number five, public comment on items not on the agenda. Is there any member of the public? Seeing none, number six, board of trustee comments.
002We'll start with trustee Charles. I will be out of the office for the next board meeting. So, I hope everyone behaves. Uh Curtis Wright will let me know what happens. >> Okay. Trustee Shapiro. Um I will also I will also be out of the off the uh uh area for the next board meeting unfortunately. So um I wish you all a good week. >> Trusty Wagner. >> Well, I plan to be here for the next board meeting >> and I look forward to working through the uh the budget. So I'm excited. Thank you. >> Wow. >> Treasure Ferrari. >> No comment. Trusty Cobin. >> I have no comments. >> Clerk, right. >> Uh, no comments at this time. >> Okay. I have no comments at this time. Um, item seven, budget public hearing. >> I
003move to open the truth and budgeting public hearing at 6:32 p.m. to discuss the property tax mill rates proposed to be levied to support the proposed budgets for the following. 2026 general fund 101 budget. 2026 fire department operations 206 budget 2026 police contracting 207 budget 2026 parks and recreation budget >> I'll second >> I have a motion by treasurer Ferrari and a second by trustee Kovven are there any questions hearing none roll call >> trusty Charles >> yes >> trusty Wagner >> yes >> trusty Shapiro >> yes >> treasure Ferrari yes >> Wright yes trusty Coven yes >> supervisor Curtis >> yes >> board member Members, our uh public hearing is open uh for any comments on the budget. Seeing none, >> I move to close the truth and budgeting public hearing at 6:33 p.m.
004to support the uh to discuss a property tax mill proposed beyond budgets for the following. 2026 general fund 101 budget 2026 fire department operations 206 budget 2026 police contracting 207 budget 2026 parks recreation 208 budget >> I'll second >> excuse me I have a motion by Treasure Ferrari a second by trustee any questions seeing none roll call >> trusty Coven >> yes >> rightight yes treasure Ferrari yes >> trusty shap Piro. >> Yes. >> Trusty Wagner. >> Yes. >> Trusty Charles. >> Yes. >> Supervisor Curtis. >> Yes. >> Okay. Item number eight, we have no unfinished business. Item nine, we have no new business. Item 10, budget workshop. The purpose of this workshop is to review the proposed 2026 operating budgets for all of our budget entities, if you will. Uh the elected officials have
005met with Danielle and um gone over these budgets kind of at nauseium. I thank her for the expertise given by everybody in the speed and accuracy of putting these together using all of technical knowledge and all of your inputs received. U cable parks library everybody was in on time. So that was pretty good. So board members, your pleasure is to go through each one of these budgets. Item 10A would be the 2026 general fund 101 budget. Is there any questions, concerns, inputs on the budget? >> Trusty Wagner. >> Yeah. One question on the uh on the general fund item >> revenue or expense. >> This is a revenue. So, the adult marijuana parent payments and it was last year's budget was 37,685. This year's budget is 50,000. It's a pretty substantial increase. Just wondering what's
006driving that. Oh. Um, as again it's a budget and in uh 611 of 2025, we were forecasting out that the adult use marijuana payments was going to be about $38,000. Well, last year it turned out it was 50 55,000. So, um, it's all regulated by the excise tax they collect and those payments are given to each entity that has an adult use sale. So, we thought there was only going to be $37,000. It ended up being a hundred and some,000. This year, we're down to we just had our sec we had our first closure, so we have one left. So, we're proposing for 2026 we're going to get $50,000 in payments. >> Okay. >> Any other questions on Yes. Trusty Charles, >> I saw a comment on the uh notice from the MTA about revenue
007sharing being changed. Could you address that the potential change? >> Uh I tried to make sense of the House bill today and have no idea. Okay. >> And I think the 80% of the townships that will be uh strangle held by the nonpayment of what do you call them, Joe? Uh the I'm lost for words. The uh revenue sharing that's going to be reduced. It's all speculation right now. I >> I'm trying to make sense of it. What happens? We'll have to redo a budget. That's why I asked you because I couldn't make sense of it. >> I couldn't I for love money. I don't even know why it was in the >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Any other questions on general fund? Yes, Trusty Wagner. >> Um, two questions. One on the
008uh on the revenue side. Are there any one-time revenues being used to cover ongoing expenses this year? >> I don't understand your question. all revenues offset expenses, but I don't >> But I'm asking, are there any one-time revenues coming in being used to cover ongoing expenses? >> None that I know of. >> Okay. I'm just going to add it looks like everything's continuous. >> Yeah. >> Just just asking. I don't see it either by >> like nonrecurring. >> Yeah. >> I don't know of any. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Joe, you don't know of any, do you? >> I'm looking through right now. These are general stuff >> on the um on the expenses on the insurance medical. Uh last year it was budgeted 250k. This year it's budgeted now with 315. Why the large
009increase? >> Well, thank you to the insurance uh they're forecasting a 15 to 18% increase in the cost of insuranceances. >> Okay. >> So you got this from the insurance company? >> Yes. Correct me if I'm wrong, Curtis. >> No, that's totally correct. Our estimated uh increase is a 15% increase. >> Are you saying I'm getting old? Is that what I heard >> from my employee? >> Very few. >> Any more questions on general fund 101? >> Just a quick comment again. I just looked up the check we received last year for the marijuana >> was $174,685.98. >> Thank you. >> Okay. If there's no more questions or concerns about uh the 10A 2026 general fund, we'll move on to 10B uh 2026 road fund. uh board members uh keeping in mind our triparty monies
010and monies going into the road fund we have been allocating towards the 2027 um portion of the paving of Dunlap that'll be uh on our dime. So any revenue you see in there uh coming in uh from opening fund balance down to uh transfers from general fund are all to meet our obligations for paving of Dunlap in 2027. We have no more graveling going on in 2026. Um and that's all we've spent our money on. Any questions on the road fund? Yes, Trusty Wagner. >> So, I noticed last year there was no monies budgeted for contingency. This year we're budgeting $185,000. What's driving that? >> I think that's road uh chlorideing for five applications >> as a contingency. >> We haven't gotten the the cost of it yet. So, we have a placeholder in there
011for uh expenses being uh chloriding for the year. >> Did we do road chloriding last this last year? >> Yes. >> How was that paid for? >> I think I think it's under 969. >> So, you did the last road maintenance contract. >> Yeah. >> I believe that's for chloride. >> So, that's half the payment right. We're going from 73,000 to 185,000. >> That's just contingency. We can always move that around next year. >> Just this seems odd. Yeah. Either budget either you budget it for what you're going to use it for or not just throw it into a mystery bucket. So if it's for chloride, I would suggest be it's a maintenance thing. I would put it in the maintenance bucket. Okay, Danielle, >> would you please make note that we're going to take
012the 185 from the contingency fund and put it down under highway road maintenance contract? >> You got it. >> Thank you. Would you really spend $185,000 on chloriding? >> I don't think it's that much. >> That you move the whole amount down. seems >> we we don't know if it's going to come in at that price and we don't know what else uh to put the money towards right now. >> So my point is why not leave something up in contingency for something else that might occur beyond chloring. >> That's not what I heard, but that's a good suggestion. How much would you propose leaving in contingency? I would leave 100. >> If your budget was 73, 85 should cover it, I would think. >> Thank you. >> Makes sense. >> So, we're going to
013move $85,000 to highway road maintenance contract and leave $100,000 in contingency. >> Fair enough. >> I like that. Makes sense. >> Questions, concerned? Anybody else? We could always >> trusty coven always probably move it to the Dunlad road paving cost. We'd know that's going to go up. I don't see it coming in at the price we got quoted previously >> if we click. >> Yeah. Whatever isn't used will go into the fund balance and then you can drag it back out in a future year. you know, if you need that much more money for Dunlap Road paving, then you you can pull that out in 2026 or 2027 once, which you know what the contract is because any any overage of revenue over expenses going to go in the fund balance, >> right? It's a
014good point. >> Okay. Fun Fire Department operations 206. Chief, you're here with your budget tonight. Um, we can answer any questions should they arise from the board if you will please. Board members, we're looking at fire fund 206 balancing at $9 million roughly. >> Are there any questions for the chief? Trusty Wagner. >> Uh, Chief, what's driving the 25% increase in part-time wages? We're going from actually more than that. The budget was 305. We're going to 438. >> We have lost she's six or seven partimes and we have more coming on that we have to start training get them up to speed. >> That's driving the extra cost. Is that what's what's driving the the 25% increase? >> Just the pay raise that they did get and then just the >> okay >> the the
015cost to us for themies and for the training. >> Are we getting more part- timerrs? >> We're trying right now. We just Yeah. >> Okay. >> We've got four in the four in the in the queue right now that are starting their training this fall. Actually, they have already started this training. training at either OC or through the Genesis program at Genesis Hospital. >> And how many total part- timerrs are you budgeting for? >> Uh we budget for between 25 and 30 and we kind of uh on the low end right now. >> Okay. Thank you, sir. >> While the chief's up there, any more questions for the chief? >> Just a quick question. So, some of the full-time people are gone. Would that reduce the amount on here then? >> No, >> we haven't
016we didn't lose full-time people. No, that's why we actually we actually had to increase our uh our full-time this year by three. Well, yes. Earlier this year, uh so that we could make up that shortfall for staff. >> Okay. I must have missed the the part-time, the full-time. Okay. If there are no more questions for the chief, >> maybe one more. >> Yes, sir. >> The uh what's driving a big increase in your utilities heat expense? >> That's a good question. I wish I could answer that one, but that's what we're seeing. >> Which which expense is that, David? I'm >> utilities. Utilities. Heat. >> 923. >> Yeah. It's It's been painful, trust me. leaving the windows open doors which are insulated. So we would hope that is you know is going to help us
017this coming winter. >> Yeah. It's just >> okay. It's just strange. >> Trust me. I put we put in the auto lights and all sorts of I'm I'm the guy walking around saying what's going on here? Shut this door. Do this. Yeah. No. >> It's the bills we're seeing. >> At my house. >> Shut up the light. We should pass away from consumers and DTE company. >> Yeah, >> why not? >> Yeah, it might be a good idea to actually look for leaks. >> Any more questions? >> Yeah, got a question. >> Yes, sir. >> Line item 206357970 vehicle purchase. >> Y >> is there expectation to purchase a vehicle or more than one vehicle? >> Yeah, we've got on order now for going on. We have the fire engine that was ordered three years
018ago that hopefully will be here uh about this time next year. Uh we have two am three ambulances on order which we're waiting on. >> So, >> have we paid anything down on those? >> We g we had to give a uh 10% down on the ambulances and we actually we paid the uh the township paid the fire engine in full up front which got us almost $60,000 58 58 or something >> close $60,000 saving by paying it up front. >> So we're expecting 2.1 million for the budget for next year. It says 2,75,000. >> Well, they were the the next fire or the next ambulances were supposed to be in this year. They got pushed back by the manufacturer. If we're lucky, we'll be seeing them February, March of 26. That's going to take
019almost 900 by itself. The fire engine itself was 865,000 and some change, which will be next year as well. And then I'm not I'm not optimistic on the the fourth ambulance coming, but we got a plan for it if it's ready. So, it's on it's been on order. So, that's where we're at for that. >> Thank you. >> Yes, sir. Wagner, >> I have a question for you. So, when when funding is limited, how how do you guys prioritize? >> Give me >> I don't know what you mean by that. >> If you have a request for something and you don't have and you have limited funding, it's a hypothetical, so maybe so maybe this doesn't work too well. But >> if I don't have money, I'm not buying, right? Um, >> but if you
020need to prioritize if you have multiple requests come in for for the same funding, do you do you have a process of pri prioritizing? >> Well, yeah. Like as a matter of fact, we have to we're in the process of replacing our SCBA, the self-contained breathing apparatus, the air tank. Yeah. >> The compressors that we uh that we use uh that just basically is on its last leg right now. And uh we've had to pull 50 well actually 60 and some change to pay for that. Uh and that's a that's a priority because without it we can't fill air bottle we can't fire >> and so what didn't get funded because of that. >> Well we're in a position that we had fund balance. >> Okay. >> We weren't asking for any additional money that
021is out of our account. We're still going to be operating and when all our bills >> this is a budget of what we're going to spend a hypothetical that have a substantial fund balance. There is a fund balance to drop >> 9 and a half almost 970 I want to say somewhere right there after all things are said and done if if we had to pay for every vehicle allocations >> and the SCBA compressor >> you know all said and done we're still going to have 960 to 970ish in our fund balance >> something really >> yes >> then odds are it's probably covered by insurance hopefully >> all right so you've got you've got ample contingencies Yes, we have a contingency built in. We have funds available. >> All right. Good. Thank you. >>
022Okay. Any other questions for the chief? Seeing none, moving on to police contracting 207 budget. >> I'll take any questions you have. >> I have a quick question. >> Yes, sir. When the county raised their expenses to us, has there been any investigation as to alternatives? >> We budgeted for it. >> Have we went outside looking for other cops? No. I see no other questions on the police fund. I have a question. Yes, sir. Trustee >> the Wagner >> the budget did actually was reduced from >> what did sir >> the police fund um estimated revenues I'm sorry so the estimated revenues so for 2025 was 5345496 >> which which account are you talking about David >> I'm sorry trusty Wagner >> the total estimated revenue >> okay >> for the 207 police fund Okay.
023>> So, so you've got an estimated revenue spreadsheet here of, you know, it's like about a dozen or so items. >> Mhm. >> And you have a total estimated revenue for >> that's about 45,000 less than the year before. >> Yeah. >> That's interest less interest. That's what's driving that. >> Yeah. Look at the interest rate where we were getting 195,000. We're now going to only get guessing about 150. The rates are dropping. >> Gotcha. All righty. Thank you. >> What rate are you getting on the interest? I'm just curious. >> Today's rated was 4.18. >> Anywhere from 4.1 to 4.3. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Any other questions on police funds? >> Seeing none, we'll move on to park uh parks and wreck. There's nobody here tonight from parks and wreck. So, what's the
024board's pleasure? Do you have questions on the parks or wreck fund? >> I do. >> Yes, sir. What are they >> on the appropriations for the insurance medical? It's going up by over 50, you know, over 50%. What's going on there? >> What is the line item that you're talking about when you >> Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, it's line item insurance medical >> 716 right >> that is just the insurance for 751 is administration so that is just the insurance for the director the director's assistant and the retired director and his spouse so I'm just speculating that it is because of age and rates. I don't know because >> I don't know. I'd like to understand that because it's a big it's a huge increase. >> It's four that's just for people. 751 is just
025administration. So if you look like 752 is the recreational full-time employees, 757 is the senior activities full-time employee and 758 is the parks full-time employees. So your question, Trusty Wagner, was uh 208751716. Insurance medical has gone to 150 from the present 2025 budget of 100. That's correct. Okay, I've captured that. >> I mean, if you look at year to date, which is just seven months, it's already at 90,000. They budgeted 100,000, it's already at 90,000. We've got a few more months to go. >> Four more months to go. >> So, >> are they going to come back and ask for additional appropriations to to cover? >> Well, they have this year budget change is all it is. >> Just do a budget amendment. >> Yeah, a budget amendment. >> Okay. Anything else on parks and
026wreck? I'm going to have uh Director Phil look at this and get a better answer for you. >> Have another question on 208751830 900 credit card service fees. Again, we're going we're almost doubling our credit card service fees from 15,000 to 27,000. Again, it's the same question. What's going on? clerk, right? >> He's probably just speculating what he's uh received or paid out in 2025 for that fee. Now, I don't know if he charges back the revenue offset. >> That's the problem. They eat their fees. >> Eat their fees. >> They don't pass them on. >> Okay. >> More and more people going to credit cards. Um you see restaurants going after your credit card fees. You see everybody else. Well, in this case, Phil's not doing that. >> We've done it from day one.
027>> Yeah. Oxford Township has done it from day one. >> He's got more people using the credit card system for >> correct restaurants. >> 100% more people using the system. >> Well, maybe not 100%. Maybe 10%. >> Well, it's not a 10% increase though. >> No, it's not. But it's not 100% of the people either. >> Again, it's the same as before. If you look at where they are right now year to date as of 731, they're already at 166. They only budgeted 15. >> Fall sports coming out and winter activities coming up, you're going to have higher usage of credit card, but u that'll probably bring it a lot closer in your percent difference. >> It also depends on which credit card you're using. Some credit cards charge higher fees than others. >> All
028questions are good. Keep asking them. We just keep going right along without Bill here, but I'm making note of them. Uh the first question was Phil was the medical the second is credit card fees. >> I have the third one for him. >> Okay. >> 208 Oops. >> Expense or revenue? >> It's an expense. >> 208752740 643. Wait a minute. I'm sorry. >> 752740 637. These are operational supplies. Soccer youth travel. Again, we're going from 80,000 to 200,000. >> Actually, you're going from 126 actual as of 7:31 to 200,000. >> I'm looking at the budget versus versus what's planned. So, I just again are we >> you got to look at the year to date. >> I do look at I look at both the budget and and the year to date. In this conversation,
029if you want to know why we're going up to 200,000, we're going to show you that as of year to date, as of July 31st, he's already at $126,000. That's $46,000 higher than where he had previously budgeted. So the budget amendment that he's probably going to make here soon will bring it up to closer. His budget is where you would like to be at, but where he's actually at is 126. So I see he's going up with four more months >> to 200,000 to probably rest himself on uh on youth travel soccer. >> So isn't soccer over? >> No. No. >> Travel soccer. not travel. >> Yeah, they play out year round. They play indoors, >> do they? Okay. >> Yeah, I didn't know that. >> I I would just say too, as a matter
030of note, that um the original budget for 25 is a good data point, but I think that if I were giving a suggestion, the actual numbers are going to be more important when you're looking at the next year's budget in 26. >> Thank you. Any other questions on parks and wreck? I can take to fill. I have this one. The credit card fees and the insurance fee. >> I guess one more here. >> Okay. >> 208752816644. Um this dog obedience. It's going from 3,000 to 6,000. Yet though year to date, you've only only spent $1344. >> Okay. I'm not. >> Oh, that's that's four times the amount or three times the amount that they spent so far this year. >> Maybe the dogs aren't listening. >> I don't know. >> I'm ask I'm going to
031ask him that question. That was >> added classes. So ask Bill added additional classes for because of its popularity. >> The dogs out. >> We will ask and we will let the dogs out. Thanks Joe. >> Let the dogs out. >> Sorry, bad joke. >> David, any more? Yeah, I guess so. Um 208, right? >> Um 757 962 661 >> 75 >> 660. So we got some thousand buckets for miscellaneous Stony and Seymour. I just wonder what's driving that. >> Which ones are you talking about? >> Miscellaneous Stony. Miscellaneous Seymour. I have no idea what that is. Okay, because it was zero budgeted for Seymour, 200 back in 2024 for Stony. I've >> got that captured as item number four. >> Neither of which have had any expenses at all year to date. >> Okay,
032>> quick. What's the budget year for parks and recreation? >> Same as ours. >> Go ahead, David. Do you have any more? >> I'm good. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Any other trustee have any questions or comments on parks and wreck? >> If Phil's watching, he now has us four answers he owes us. Okay. 10F, Cemetery Maintenance Fund. Board members, do you have any questions on 209 Cemetery Maintenance Fund? I'm going to flip through then to 10G. >> I guess I have one question. Why Why is maintenance general going to 160 150? >> Maintenance general going to >> Oh, 150,000. >> Yeah. We're uh we're going to uh >> Is that part of the project? >> We're going to propose paving a wider strip. at Mount Pleasant Cemetery and uh making the turnaround better because
033once cars get in, they're landlocked up in there. >> You cannot get out. So, a paving project and bush clearing, brush clearing project, that's what that maintenance is for. >> What does it mean under restoration when you have a negative year-to- date 69,800? We spent more than we had budgeted. >> But that's an actual amount spent though. >> Shed some light on that. So that um number in parentheses at 69800 is because revenue was put into an expenditure account. >> So you're balancing it out, >> right? >> Got it. >> Thank you. >> Good eyes. Enough on cemetery. Moving on. Telecommunications fund. Any questions on the telecommunications fund? Everybody know how you get this? Everybody know what you can spend it on? >> Well, why don't we have a little tutorial? >> We hold those
034daily in in the office, Rod. Yeah, that's just in one office. >> The Aeroactive, what year was it? 1994 it was redone. Yeah. Um what this is for is uh for the telecommunications um alleyways I call them where they run the power lines and your utility lines. This money is allocated from those users of that for maintenance of those strips. So, it can only be used on road rightways where there's easements and things like that. It comes in at a set number per mile every year as revenue and then it's washed out as an expense throughout the year. >> Thank you. You're >> welcome. my favorite uh 10H building department. Tim Tim London is here tonight to discuss anything in building. Um board members, Tim has done a monstrous job in bringing efficiencies and effectiveness
035to the building department. In fact, um, we're we're planning on close to 250 building permits coming up in 2026. How do you do that? How do you do it, Tim? >> Work balance with everybody in your department and >> Yes. Yeah. We utilize all the employees and our ESNA system that we use is a wonderful system to use for all the permitting whether it be online or people at the counter. So what we have here is a fund balance or balancing out at $52,000 in the building department. Are there any questions from the board for Tim? >> Well, go ahead. Trusty Wagner, >> I notice your your 2026 budget is actually less in your 2025 amended budget. So is that the efficiency is driving? Actually, that's the revenues. So you're you're predicting fewer revenues, less
036revenue. >> Yes, but the way the economy is going right now, I don't know if the permits are going to be taken off early in the next fiscal year. >> Okay. >> But it will improve. So you're seeing a little bit of a downturn or flattening. >> Yeah. >> It really all depends on >> really what happens in >> when the permits are pulled. >> Oh, I get that. I just >> when the infrastructure put in, how quickly they get the roads in, you know, WRC approvals, there's a lot of that involved. >> Yeah. >> Then with the interest rates right now, we have seen a slowdown this year. Okay. >> Permits for new single family homes. We still issued quite a few permits, but when it slows down, they tend to do more additions
037and alterations to a home than they do. So, I think we've done >> waiting to be picked up. >> Yeah. >> They should be issued here pretty soon. But, uh, really there's been a lot of activity onlines. We've opened up our permits for like garages. They can people can apply pretty much for anything online. So, >> is there any one thing that you see that's driving down revenues or is it just kind of peanut butter? >> Um really it's that I think it's just less single family homes have been built this year. >> Okay. >> When next year, you know, obviously they build more our revenue go up. >> Yeah. Sorry. >> Do you think you'll see an increase in single family with a likely two cut in the interest rates the next uh three
038or four months? Lower the mortgage expense? >> I do see an increase in single family homes. Yes. If uh as long as you get the rates. >> Okay. Thank you. It'll be interesting because as we said earlier, interest rates are dropping on the investment accounts. So that translates over to mortgages and there you go. >> Yeah. I'm reading articles daily on trying to predict what's going to happen down the road and everything is starting to come down >> trying to get rid of the basis points in the last two weeks. >> Thank you. >> Um any more questions on Tim's uh building official London's proposed budget? Seeing none, thank you sir. Have a great evening. Thank you. Uh cable fund. We have director Styles here tonight. >> 20296 cable fund. Thanks for having your budget
039in right away. Board members, any questions for Ms. Styles? >> Have a question for Miss Styles? >> Yes. Trusty Coven, >> has there been any update on that bill that's in that was stalled in the Senate? >> Okay. >> It's dead. So, um >> what is the bill? >> The bill >> HP494965 was a bill that um they were trying to acknowledge uh streamers to not pay franchisees. AT&T charter all payche we would probably be gone in a year because AT&T charter and would say if the streamers don't have to pay franchise fees why we have to so that bill died um mostly because MTA and managers of public access stations initiative we think that so there is a new they're they're talking about writing a new And that would be the lobbyists and um
040the attorneys that we hire to try to get them to acknowledge. Initially when streaming started there was only YouTube they were supposed to pay a certain amount of money to use our >> history. Our budget is decreasing and our revenue is decreasing but anywhere between 10 and $20,000 a year because people are going to stream. So we're losing those pay customers and the younger the community is so we're getting new neighborhoods in the community, the more we're losing. So I was very conservative with our budget this year. I've also asked our employees not to work on Friday that saved us wages and I don't know when that's all to do that so far. >> How long have you been seeing a decrease in in revenue >> for us in Oxford? It's been at least two
041three years small increase last year and that's when all the streams come we've seen um increases in the villages the village of Oxford they're older populations they went to streaming didn't like it because you're pinging alart so some people are going back to cable don't younger neighborhoods and younger folks doing that anytime soon, but it's helped a little. And also, um, Township was only paying us in revenue or excuse me, franchise fees, and they've committed for the next two years to give us fees to help us out through this two year. We're thinking it's two years before it all plays out. So you're indicating that your budget is going to double from year to date results right now from 147 to 280. >> My budget will be 280 in 2026. >> And right now you're
042through through July. Are you at 147? >> Yeah. >> And and that's almost double. >> I'm hoping it does. >> Right. I mean is that aggressive or >> However, I figured this budget only two quarters of franchise. >> Okay. Yeah. Two remaining >> four quarters yet, right? >> So, it'll be different in December and ours is January to December. >> Yeah. You have two You've had two franchise fees, PEG fees paid to you so far. You have two more to total four. So, you're going to double >> should have our third in August, >> right? So you don't see two of the payments in the revenue year >> year to date. >> That should not be there by December. >> What was your actual budgeted or results for the 2024 year? >> It was 316.
043>> Okay. >> The previous year was 324. across the state it's about a% was 202. >> Okay. Any other questions for cable TV budget? Well, I would encourage you all >> to keep us around. >> No questions. >> I got one last question. I'm sorry. >> Yes, sir. >> Um, your hourly wages employees are seeing an increase right from 2025 budget to what what is the uh what's driving that? >> I'm trying to be conservative. Um, I gave everybody raises this year. They took less of a prior to that exceptional. >> Okay. >> We actually are doing twice the amount of work we've done in many years. >> The community loves us. We get calls every day. Can you cover this? Can you cover that? >> Thank you. Any other questions? >> Thank you. >>
044Thanks. >> To 10J, safety path fund. >> Any questions for the safety path committee? Yes, Trustee Wagner. >> One question on So for 297 on the appropriations, do we only do restoration activities like every other year. I see we budgeted 140,000 in 24, zero in 2025, and now 150,000 for 2026. >> We we do them as they are identified to us. We've been receiving a lot of calls this year on brush and trees hanging over the trail. And we went out, we just had engineer Sharp and our summer intern and they went through and they uh looked at the safety path degragation to the asphalt itself. And yeah, do we do them every two years? We do them every year that they're needed to be done. Classified one, two, three. Ones meaning they have to
045be done. Threes that'd be nice to do them. Well, we got all through uh the ones and twos and now the threes are turned into ones. So, we're predicting in 2026 that we're going to do some asphalt restoration. >> Okay. And we've done no no restoration this year at all. >> Minuscule. >> Okay. >> Minuscule if we've done any. So when we go clean the the brush and stuff that's hanging over, what budget does that come out of? >> Maintenance general, >> which is what number? >> Uh 29852 932. >> Gotcha. 12,0007,000. Okay. We're currently having uh some pricing to remove some brush and it's coming in between six and $10,000. So that 1,500 will quickly go to 115 for 2025. >> Any other questions on safety path? None. Polyan trail. Item 10K, Polyan Trail.
046Uh board members, do you have any questions on the Polyan Trail? >> I just got one. >> What is it, sir? >> Curtis Center 298853727. Are the admin fees going up to 1300? >> That is for the township admin fee plus there's admin fees on the investments that were in uh Flagstar Bank. Also the 1100 staying the same. >> 1100 staying the same as far as I know. >> Okay. No problem. >> Those are the two that I know of. >> Questions on Polyan Trail. >> That's all I got. >> Yes. Trusty Wagner >> on 298853932 maintenance of grounds. They've spent $4600 year to date. yet they're asking for a $30,000 for 2026. What's driving that? Maintenance of grounds is usually a number that you take a shot figuring what you need to maintain uh
04716.9 miles sometimes times two because you have to cut the the uh I'll call it the trail back three feet. So we contract with uh two or three individuals during the course of the year. like that. And some of some of these uh maybe the bills haven't come in yet because we usually do a fall cut and uses about uh $1,600 a day and we use that person for like seven days to get the trail back to our trail managers uh standards. >> Yeah. Just for a clarification, how I look at this sometimes when I'm going through this budget is if you look all the way to your left under 2024 amended budget, that 53,500 in there. Uh 2025 original budget was 65,000. So they went up 12,000. The 2025 amended budget as of June,
048they were down to 12,000. and they've only spent year-to date so far 4500. So they're trying to balance somewhere in there the workload that they foresee in 2026. So they're budgeting 30,000 in there. >> Didn't know if they had some projects planned or something that would drive that. >> You got any projects that would drive that? >> Nothing. nothing really that's outstanding because a lot of the work that we've done has been funded either through some of the grants we received and also through opera funding uh cont contributions thanks to this board township board that's actually assisted to make the pian trail uh in pretty good shape for the most part so nothing that nothing that really comes to mind but you know over the years you know over the last 10 years if you
049took a photo photo uh tour of what it was to what it is. That's why we were designated as a Pure Michigan Trail in 2019. So, um, this just been a gem of an asset for Oxford and the surrounding communities. >> I have a question on light item 29885397.007. It's the last line item. Um, future capital improvements actual 53,000. Yeah, though those if I if I remember right, those are um probably they were classified there as far as uh some of the ARPA monies which probably should have been up in uh where's the ARPA contracted monies that would have to be looked at here. That's 84,000 in the ARPA expenses and then there's 53,000 there year to date. Um I'll look I'll look and see what that answer is. I'll get that answer out to
050the township board on that. But um what we did there is that we we um use that as an expense uh based upon excess revenues to try to put that into like an account for expending out future projects that were basically not named. Nothing in particular. Just was a like a dump account for an expense >> like your ARPA funds had to be contracted to be spent Yes. >> by April 30th. If they weren't spent, they had to be under contract to be spent with a contract that said you're going to spend it on this and this with this company. >> Supervisor Curtis, interrupt. Um I went ahead and looked up um the capital future capital improvements project for that year-to-day amount. >> Here's our answer. >> Um and it was for gravel spreading. >>
051Yeah, ARPA money was used for gravel spending. Thank you. Quick question for Mr. Wright, too. >> Yes. So in the um contributions by the village of Leonard, I guess that would be 29 298005905 under estimated revenues. They're saying that they're contributing 4140 for use of facilities as opposed to cash. Is that correct, Mr. Wright? >> That that is correct. over the years, even since I've been on the piling trail for a second time, the the council, is that uh it's been accepted that Leonard does a a um >> inind contribution, meaning that they have a front-end loader that they let the poly trail use plus an operator on that. So, um, they keep a log of what they use as far as manpower, equipment, power, and donations of of uh maybe materials to the trail.
052So, over the years, that's been accepted as uh a fair trade as far as uh the bartering of getting uh services versus contributing the cash. >> So, so they do actually keep track of that. You're saying >> they they do to my knowledge. Uh, that's something that you can talk to Mr. Moore who's a village president and or Mike McDonald who was the village president at that time. >> Well, I might want to use it for some other activities we're involved with so we keep track of things. >> Thank you. >> I mean, it would be probably the council's decision whether they want lender to step up and pay the the funding for that $4,140. Trustee Wagner, >> one more question. Um, on 29853 miscellaneous, what is driving this is a miscellaneous fund. What is
053driving 500 to $20,000? >> That's a number that balances the account out for the revenue to the expense. So there there there is uh excess >> A plug number a plug number >> spoken from a true finance. >> You're plugging it in there. >> It's a placeholder for 15 thou $19,000. >> Correct. That's correct. >> Can we ask Mr. Wright about the zombie run? What happened to the zombie run >> when uh when Mr. law left that was not continued and uh I I don't know how much they gained revenue versus the time it took to put the event on uh whether they got enough participants for the for the event and uh that basically just faded away. So >> that's fine. >> That's okay. It's not a budget item. So >> So my question
054is so that's a big number in miscellaneous. So what what drives the constraints on the use of that on those monies? >> Nothing. no constraints right now because if our because right now if all things being equal and we didn't use that money then that just uh roll into fund balance if we do have a a need for say uh professional services which may go up because we we have a lot of litigation not litigation shouldn't say that we have some agreements for the Levis's Link Park that'll be upcoming and uh right now it's a $5,000 bill which gives us about um at $150 an hour, you can divide the math out, but that gives us about um 35 hours plus or minus of legal time. So, it may not take that much, but if
055there's an excess need for professional services for this example, then we just reallocate our budget amendments to move some of that $19,785 up into that professional services. Um some of the other items are fixed. Uh our contract with our uh trail manager is fixed. Um uh also you see the legal fees there is only at 2,000. So um between the two th those are where the some of that money will go to. >> It seems like an awful big slush fund. Is there a better place to move that number somewhere else? >> Wherever you'd like. >> I I don't know. I'm asking you to >> for for me I put it in there as uh prepare this budget and we'll have $108,000 and then revenues coming in uh which is based upon the formula of
056the five municipalities >> and we give it back to the general fund. >> It would give it back to the poly trail. >> It wouldn't go to the general fund. >> Go to the general fund. Okay. >> It's a separate fund. >> It just goes back into the fund balance and collects interest. Mhm. >> But wouldn't that be a better place for it to put it in the fund balance >> if once a year ends? >> Once a year we do that. >> Right now this is just a budget and it's holding a place. >> Understand? >> Any more questions on Polyand Trail? All right. Here you go. Item L, sewer fund. Uh, any questions on the sewer fund? >> Yes, I have one. >> Yes. >> So, we're raising the rates, but we're showing
057a revenue decrease. >> What's going on? >> That's a good answer. >> Good question. >> For a good question. I would ask that of the sewer committee. >> You mean of usage fees? I for >> total revenue >> estimated revenue is >> estimated revenue >> is decreasing from LA from from this year. >> How can that be? >> It's gone down to 3,870,000 from a budgeted 3,897,000 in 2025. >> Expecting less tap in fees. uh delinquent tax expecting less there less interest uh less in the cru grinder pumps I think if you look at those at uh different items that's the reason why it's less >> so the rate increase though is captured under user fees >> so from 365 [Music] 36 36 >> so only $50,000 >> line item 590 wait we'll get Curtis
058involved here >> 0000 00651.00 usage fees. >> What David is saying is you have a 363 $3,600,000 requested budget for usage fees and in your amended budget showed 3,500,000 but yet you've raised the rates what $15 per household. >> Yes. >> Per. So per REU, why is that number not larger 3,600,000 to indicate or to show or reflect the increase in the usage fee? That's a good question. >> I think it's a lot bigger than 33,000. So >> how many households do you have? >> It's based on RUS. So I just go back and take a look at that. Just make sure that I may not have the answer now, but we need to focus. >> I mean, if you divide by $15, you get like 20,000 households. >> We're adding households, too. >> Yeah.
059See, it's not clear in this budget process. If we raise our usage fees and we don't reflect that as revenue, when you go to pay the usage down below, you're not balancing it out. If you're raising >> said we're adding households, but I mean Tim told us how many new builds we have in this year. It's you're not really adding that. >> I'm not adding households right now. But the budgeted number is not reflective of the rate increase is what David's saying. >> It doesn't appear to be. So >> correct. I agree. That was my question. >> Yeah. >> If we raised it and we're not showing any increase, >> maybe we're not raising it enough. >> Now your your average quarterly is $900,000 and we're probably doing over a million now >> with that
060increase in. So, it would be proper to show the usage fees that we're collecting in the budgeted revenue. >> Yeah. I know we're taking it out in the end here. >> And then I would sort of have the same questions on the appropriations piece under 590-527800 003. We're we're showing a a $3,000 county usage fee and I think we've had a bigger increase than that. Well, the interesting thing is the usage for 26 is going to be under principal and interest payments to protect the interest payments. That's going from 50 to 75,000. >> Yeah. >> Remember, the increase they're giving us is going to be now under the bonding, not technically under usage. >> Not under usage. >> And now when you get their bills, you got to really micro look through it to say
061what's this really for? But I think the usage fee increase was bigger than 3,000 a year. >> Clerk, right? >> Yeah. Under under that uh in past years, and Jack and I served on water committee, there'd be a July one increase from GLWA and then an October increase from the WRC. So I would say that that that number is low. You might be able to adjust that with your adjustment on your revenues for your sewer usage. >> Yeah, let's take a look at that. >> Okay. So, by September 10th, >> by tomorrow at noon, >> noon, better. >> Somebody better be looking at it. >> Dave, do you want to look at it and let me know? >> Which you want. >> Here, you do this, Dave. >> He's the chair. Well, look at the
062last four. >> I'm delegating. We need to figure out what those numbers need to be. >> Well, we we're in a we're in a time crunch here. Um by having it done tomorrow and um we'll do the best we can. >> Well, for some reason, I wasn't involved in this budgeting. So, >> well, >> that's what now I am now. So, now I'm asking the question. >> Yes. Very good. And I appreciate that and that's a good point. So, Joe could take a look at this tomorrow. >> I will. and he will um and you can amend your budget. >> Oh yeah, this is that's what this workshop is for. >> Well, let's get it right today and not amend it for >> six months from now. >> But you never get it right. >>
063You're never going to get it right. >> You never get it right. Let's give it our best answer. >> No, no budget is ever right. >> By definition, >> it's truth. Forecast is always wrong. >> We got a meeting going on here. >> Everybody ready? Right. >> Okay. Joe's gonna answer that for us for our next meeting we have in September. >> Yap. >> Thank you. Um item M, water fund. I don't see a new water plant here. >> See a water line extension. >> Water tap fees. They're about the same. debt service interest on the CD. That's pretty interesting. $18. >> I do see our revenues have gone down pretty significantly. >> Are there any questions out loud on this uh water fund? >> Looks pretty good. Seeing no more um public comment. I
064see no public comment. We'll go through the board of trustees comments. Uh we'll start with Trustee Coven. >> Um I have no comments. I do plan on being here for the board meeting though. So, >> thank you, >> Curtis. Trustee or clerk right. Uh, I'll just let you know. I'll be out of the office tomorrow again. >> No, I have my new phone, though. So, >> thanks for racing down here. No tickets. >> No, sir. >> All right. >> Did I need one? >> There's your Ferrari. >> Curtis, can you do me a favor? >> Oh, sure. Joel, >> board meeting. >> Five of us here. >> Do we need Can the budgets pass three to two? They can because back in the day, I think it's 2008 when I sat in the audience, you
065only had a five person board and you approved three to two at that time. Simple majority. >> Okay. Can you check on I think we should be >> if you need a legal opinion. >> No, no, but let's >> Supervisor Curtis is there to make make that happen. >> I don't know if you got any of the agenda items. It has to be four of us. >> Super uh a super majority >> in the red book. >> Okay. >> It'll be in the red book. >> Okay. If there's certain items. >> Okay. Thank you. >> That's good. Treasure Ferrari. >> That's all I had. >> Trusty Wagner. >> Appreciate it being able to go through this budget process uh with the rest of you folks. Um appreciate your patience with my questions. >> Trusty Shapiro,
066>> no comment. >> And Trusty Charles, >> just a quick one. No haz is coming up again, even though I won't be there, but uh it's been w well received in the community. So, I will send an email out just to remind people what the date is. >> Okay. I have two comments. First, you know, it's it's a tedious process and I and I thank Danielle from the beginning, but I thank all of us to sit down and do it and do it with an open mind. And thank you to the trustees that showed up tonight with these questions. While it sounds like a silly question, no question is silly unless it goes unanswered. And it's redundant to us because we've beat it to death. For example, I'm working with Tim and we're working with
067Tim because we have a budget where we allocate certain people's percent of their time to zoning and certain people's time to planning. That person could be doing 50% work in building department and 50% in zoning. What that means is 50% of the pay comes out of the general fund and 50% comes out of the building fund. The more we can take out of the building fund, the less we take out of the general fund. Tim and I are working on a process to try to make more of that happen with two of our employees. We can't go to our employees and ask them, hey, how much time are you spending on zoning? How much time are you spending on planning? Because him and I are going to tell them, you are spending 50% of your
068time here and 50% of your time there so that we make this up in our budget. And I know Cheryl's been asked how much time she has spent on zoning and planning. You can ask somebody a question, but they don't know what their managers are doing. You ought to let their managers do their job and not interfere by asking the employee. So, thank you all for your input and your questions tonight. And thank you all for playing in your own silo and staying out of the building department until we figure out who's doing what and it'll be called out shortly. >> All right. Uh item 13. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> All those in favor signify by saying I. I. I. >> Those opposed hearing none. Back at it tomorrow.