001We're going to start the uh Oxford Area Cable Communication Commission meeting for Monday, July 28th, 2025. Can we please stand and pay our respects to the flag >> of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> I couldn't find it. >> We got it through. >> Okay. Roll call. Ed, >> yo. >> John, >> here. >> Catherine, >> here. >> Mo, yes. >> Karen, no. >> Item four. >> Okay, wait a minute. Um, >> with Karen with notice, right? Yes. >> I'm taking the notes and we'll do the minutes this time because of Mo's hand. >> Sorry. >> Okay. >> My typing skills are off this month. >> Okay. Okay. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda
002as presented. >> Support. >> We have a motion. It's been supported. All in favor? I >> opposed. >> Public comments of items not on the agenda. >> Nothing. >> Not >> minutes from the previous meeting of May 19th, 2025. If there's no changes, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes for May 19th, 2025. There you go. >> Office support. >> Okay, we have a motion. It's been supported. All in favor? I opposed. >> Uh item seven, the bill review. Um 7A, uh the expense revenue, uh bill run and the um bill um bill the approval for the expenditures for bills. Uh on page seven, >> I'll make a post. >> That would be in the addendum that I gave you. >> Right. >> Oh, that's right. >> There was an error. >> There was
003he amended the the number, >> right? >> To approve the expense revenue bill run of May 19th through June 30th. The amount is 51,27369. I'll >> support. We have a motion. It's been supported. Roll call, please. Helmouth, yes. Hawkins, >> yes. >> Ed, >> yes. >> Catherine, >> yes. >> I'd like to make a note on the um page eight, I guess, is where Wait, in the employees wages, Dave added a column for the ESTA hours just so you know that it's a little different. >> Oh, it's page um 11. So, we're keeping an eye on as to hours 10 and 11. Oh, 8 10 and 11. >> And I saw that in regards to the um is it for the earned? >> Yeah. >> Time off. >> Yep. >> Sick time. Yep. >> What's
004the acronym? >> Time act. That's stuff. >> Okay. >> Yeah. A lot. >> All right. >> Okay. 7 B and 7 C for receive and file for your review. >> Make a motion to approve and receive and file items 7 A B and 7 B and C. >> I'll support. >> We have a motion. It's been supported. All in favor? >> I opposed. 8, A, B, C, and D are all for approval for receiving files. The Michigan class investment uh report, the Oakland County investment pool report, >> I think I think C and D are for discussion. >> Okay, I just realized that that's why I'm so A and B. >> Make a motion to receive and file item 8 A and B. I'll support. >> We have a motion that's been supported. Uh all
005in favor? >> I opposed. >> Okay. Item 8 C, the status of health health bill 4965. Terra, >> there's really no status. Nothing's happening with it. I know that MickMA and that's the group that represents all the public access stations. Um the ones that we go to Lancing with. And I did I sent to I think each one of you the video that they put together of us going and how crucial it is the crisis. Um they really are pushing to just modify PA480 which already delineated video delivery services as a video delivery service. Um, it's just that when that I can't remember when that bill passed, but communities didn't then jump on that and say, "Okay, then we're going to start charging streamers to use our easements as well." And it was like only
006when YouTube came out and then we've been inundated with streaming in the last year and a half. So they're I think they're the lobbyists for us and the attorneys are trying to figure out how to modify that bill so that it'll pass. >> So I'm trying to understand they're trying to uh capture revenue from streaming >> and they're not >> they're not >> legally bound to do that now. Well, the the PA480 sort of made them legally bound, but because communities didn't realize it, didn't jump on it, now they're really not. So, what they want to do is say, "Okay, just so they charge per foot, I think it is >> per foot >> in other communities." >> I mean, per um uh household, sorry. So, it's like a $150 per household per streamer and
007>> a blanket a blanket uh number. >> It's just different communities have charged or I'm sorry, different states have charged different amounts. >> So, what is Michigan doing? >> Michigan's not doing anything right now. That's why MickMA is trying to modify PA480 that they would charge so much per household and they're looking at 50 cents.75 cents something like that. >> So streamers right now pay nothing. >> Nothing. >> So I told you I told you my situation >> if I haven't told the rest of the board I had to change my cable box because I it was defective. So, I when I called the the cable store to set an appointment to go down here to get my cable box changed, they told me to bring in all my cable boxes. >> And I brought
008them all in. I had three >> and they took all three and they gave me a Zumo box. >> Mhm. >> And that's strange. >> Um, I asked what what what was going on and they said, "We no longer provide these type of of cable boxes. We use these Zumo boxes. So essentially I went from cable to streaming and that's what um Charter is doing new customers >> and customers who need like I needed a equipment change. I had to get a Zumo box. M. >> So when I connected the Zumo box, it went right to my uh router instead of going to a coaxial cable. And I had um for my other TVs, all I had to do after I set everything up was >> set up the uh Spectrum app on the other
009TVs, >> downloaded the Spectrum app, and then once you downloaded it and it opened up the Spectrum app on the TV, >> I got all my cable on those TVs. >> But have you looked at your bill yet to see if there's charging you franchise fees? >> Oh, charging me franchise fees. No, I just looked at the I'm saving 30ome bucks a month because they took those boxes away. >> But if you would, I'd appreciate that because I'm not sure what they're doing for people that still are are using using it for your um internet for your computer. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. So, I think you might still be charged a franchise fee, but it's all those streamers that are getting away with it free, right? So, Charter is paying basically for all. What
010if I had if I had internet with no TV? They're going to charge me franchise or charge a franchise fee. >> If you had internet with no TV, yes, I think so. But I really want I don't get charter. I don't get spectrum. I really want to know what somebody says. >> Make a mental note to change check it when I get home. >> I didn't pay attention >> because it's very vague. Everybody's like, I don't know. I think so. Maybe so. I'm not sure. And who knows what they're doing? It's so they won't communicate with me, they'll communicate with the township supervisor. Try to get township supervisors to really understand what we're doing. >> But why would they change to that format unless there was an alternative motor, >> they can provide more streaming
011and the more streaming that's out there, the better off they are when it comes to the argument, if streamers aren't paying, why are we paying? >> But that's my point. They converted me to a Zumo box because >> they don't want to pay the franchise fee for me. >> I think so. >> Pretty sure >> if if that bill goes through as it was written before it died in committee. >> Charter and Comcast have set themselves up to not pay franchise fees. >> And so that's why they're they're getting ready for that. Well, see, that was the whole basis of my my questioning was, is this their way of >> Yes. >> getting around the franchise fe? >> It eventually it will be. Yeah. >> Huh. >> And we're getting more and more people in
012the community. And that takes me to the next one, the um peg these >> so more and more and more people in the community are going to that and going to streaming and and cherrypicking and so compared to last year in July, we're down $9,000. >> Yeah. But if you cherry pick all these uh streaming services aside like which my daughter does, you know, she was cuz she's was considering going back to cable because >> Yeah, my kids are too. >> She's got like, you know, the Disney Channel, she's got the Hulu, Netflix, all that. Well, you start adding up all the different fees every month. Uh-huh. >> It becomes more uh cheap anymore >> financially uh acceptable to have the cable package because >> a lot of those streaming services are included in the
013the cable package. >> So I'm I see a steady figure with the village of Oxford and that's an older person's community. It's the It's the new communities that are being built that we're seeing the decline. Addison Township has some new communities coming out there. Oxford for sure. We're seeing the decline there in those communities. Leonard is pretty stable. We don't get a lot from Leonard, but it's stable. >> It's pretty small. >> Yeah, it is. It's tiny. And you know, if all this goes away, Leonard will lose probably $5,000 a year >> or six. So, um, I've got to seriously look at our budget. Um, I may have to cut hours, but so my situation, um, I could probably go off of salary, become an hourly employee, and cut my hours. >> Well, we can
014discuss that later. >> Well, that's something I'm looking at seriously. Right now I >> I have to um turn in our budget >> which is totally inaccurate >> to the township. >> Yeah, you can. They just want a estimated budget. >> I mean you can be >> you'll be very >> as well be as honest as you can be and accurate, but >> it's an estimate. They won't hold your feet to the fire. >> We make budget changes every year. It's >> Yes. So for us to do >> uh ad the Michigan the peg the uh peg uh station franchises and peg fees >> the report indicating the um current uh revenues and the previous revenues of five years ago and noticing the pretty much a decline in every community. >> Oh yeah that that
015um handout that came in. Yeah. >> Yep. And that's MCMA that did that for us. >> How much are we down percentage wise? >> Are we 23? >> Yeah. >> Just compare 24 to 2019, >> right? It's a from a 5year comparison. >> Mhm. >> But I think we were down 20 oxy. Yeah. 23%. >> Yeah. You know, you look at some of the percentages in some places are not as high say as us or higher, but the dollar amount like you in Detroit 1.7 million. >> Oh yeah. They just don't get either, >> you know, you arbor. >> Well, look at Silvin Lake 56%. Yeah. Pretty big. And the every one of these communities, I mean, Berkeley lost huge amount. They're all gonna lose lots and lots of dollars if if the communities don't
016stand up and say, "Wait a minute, we're being taken advantage of by the streamers. >> But it's just hard to get people to, you know, there's so much apathy around." So, I'm going to continue the campaign with Mikma and and we're going to still go to Lancing and still fight for it because the we are are busier now than we've ever been. I've been here 27 years, 28 years, and we have people calling all the time saying, "Can you cover this? Can you cover that?" What you did was a great job. It's just amazing. People want local news and local information. So, anyhow, that's my soap box. I'm done. >> That's okay. People want PBS and NBR and they're not getting that either, >> right? But that's federally funded. We're not >> Yeah, they got
017their funding cut, too. >> Yep. >> Big time. All right. Uh unfinished business. Item nine, discussion of the uh next OACCCC meeting dates, which >> is September 22nd. >> 22. >> Oh, the meeting date. The next one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Uh when do we want to meet? >> September 22nd. >> Is that what you're proposing? >> Yeah, that's what we proposed at the beginning of the year. >> Yeah. >> So, no changes. >> So, September 22nd. >> Everybody thinks it's 27th or 2nd. >> Second. >> Okay. Nobody thinks they can be there. >> That's not an issue for anybody here. >> Not at present. >> It's a long time away. Things can change. It'll come. It'll come up back. >> I know it will. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Item 10.
018There is a uh budget amendment. >> Mhm. Speaking of >> request >> for uh 10A down page 23. Not a big deal. Can we do budget amendments without Karen here? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Oh, wait a minute. >> Because we don't have a rep from Addison Township, >> right? We don't. >> Okay. We can wait on it. >> Yeah. I think you have to have >> You have to have a super majority. Yeah. >> But we can't do that. >> Yeah. Right. We don't have a super majority. >> We don't have a representative for Madison Township. >> So, we're going to have to table this or uh postpone it. Whatever. He's from Addison Township. >> You're still from Addison Township. Isn't Leonard inside Addison Township? >> Yeah, but I don't think it's the same.
019>> He hasn't been appointed by the Edison board yet. >> Technically, Oxford Village is inside Oxford Township, too. But we need a rep from each place. >> So, we can't vote. We can't uh address these? >> No. >> I just like to say when it gets voted in the future, I have no problem with it. >> I wish I had the I wish I had our bylaws because >> Just to let you know, >> we can wait. I I >> I think we can, but we can move it. >> So, is the addendum to the employee handbook? Super majority. >> Just let me double check. I >> I'm not sure. >> I think we can, but let me double check. I It doesn't hurt to wait. It's not going to kill us. >> What about
020the addendum for the employee handbook? Does that have a super majority requirement? No. >> No. >> Okay. So, let's go to 8 uh 10B. >> Well, you need to um vote to table that the budget amendment. >> There was no motion. Do we need to vote? >> I guess I've always thought that you had to make a motion on a agenda item. >> I'll make a motion to table 8A or >> 10 A. >> 10A until we have a super majority. >> All right, we have a motion been supported. All in favor? >> I sorry. >> Easy enough. >> It's just easier to argue about it. >> I can't remember anymore. >> So, we're legal now. 10B >> earn sick time. So, um, hopefully you had an opportunity to read the full Oh, you really
021probably haven't this today. >> Pardon me. >> He just handed this to us, >> did he? >> I have not read it. >> Well, I got the email uh version of it, >> right? >> Um, >> so I met with um an HR person through the county. It was we get three hours with them and she actually helped write this act and she made recommendations as to what we should put in the handbook and so I put it all together hopefully that you read through that it's just two pages um and we need to have the employees sign it >> so it needs to go >> I'm not an HR Uh >> Karen is isn't she >> ex expert? U I don't know if that's what Karen's expertise is. I thought >> she's insurance, isn't
022she? >> I thought she was insurance. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um I don't know. I mean, uh do you feel com You're the attorney. Uh >> I was going to say Catherine's the one we should depend on. >> Everything I say here is legal. >> I know. I know. I mean, from a from a just uh I >> would you feel comfortable with >> I am comfortable with this. I think um it's a >> my opinion I just really don't like this act because it's a pain administratively. I think they could have made it much more simple and it would have been a much better thing. >> Yep. >> But >> Oh, you're thinking if it's too drawn out. >> It's just a pain the way they have to track the hours. >> It's just it's
023administratively >> difficult and unnecessarily so in my opinion. >> Well, who does our payroll? >> Um AP. It it goes through. Um, >> don't doesn't ADP have any type of programming that automatically >> Dave has to keep track of it? >> Oh, Dave has to keep >> All you're really doing is total probably the number of hours worked. >> You just keep a running total. Oh, I want to take a day out. How much time do I have? >> Divided by 30, you got six hours, >> right? For the for our part-time, for our full-time people, we we were in compliance anyhow because they got two weeks vacation. It was sick, vacation, personal, whatever they wanted to take it for. >> Yeah, that would be >> and so we were great for the two full
024three full-time people that we have, but it's the other ones. >> You can frontload the part-time, too. >> Yeah, we decided not to. There's some a couple different things in here. If we frontload, then we've got to make some more exceptions. And we decided no, it's we'll keep we don't have enough employees that it's a pain. The township does. I do know that if we had more, >> we frontload everything. So, does this act pertain to everybody or just government employees? >> Anybody with one employee or more? >> It's going to shut down little cafes. >> Little restaurants are going to end up being shut down. >> Been enacted officially >> 25th. Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yes. >> One employee. >> Yes. I see it being very difficult for restaurants to deal with this. >>
025Yeah, it is. Yeah. >> Wow. And there's employees that not certainly at OCTV, but in that will take advantage of it and just call in. It's them taking the next five days off. >> We can ask >> Oh, they don't have to call in. >> No. Oh, in our policy, they do. >> We can ask for um and it says in in this law as well that you can ask for a doctor's excuse or some kind of excuse, but it's I mean, you can take time off for even your neighbor. Oh, yeah. He needs a ride to the dentist. But it says call in as soon as as as soon as >> as convenient >> reasonable and that means they don't have to call in before they take the time off. >> Yeah, you're right.
026They don't. >> It's um really a pain. >> You know, my son works two jobs, one at Pensky and one at McDonald's. I'm going to ask him if he's got time off coming in from McDonald's. >> He hasn't said a word about >> You get one hour no matter where you work. If he he'll get one hour per job. >> If they told the employees, >> one hour for every 30 hours. They didn't. They They're in trouble. They had to They had to tell him. >> Yeah. Businesses have to do a lot of things >> that they don't do. I know. I'm just saying. >> You know, I'll just be surprised. I'm going to check his payub. See if it says anything. >> It might not be on his payub. >> It would if they
027had Well, like ADP will show it. Dave has to report that to >> ADP. They're not going to track it for you. >> Right. So, >> they give that to Sumakulla. transmit the information to >> it states here that the employee can take this uh earned sick time. >> Um with two days notice to the station manager if possible. >> Is that how it's written in the law? >> It says yeah it says as if possible or as soon as reasonable or something. I don't I don't remember. >> Well, how could you put something like that into the law if possible? You know, people aren't even going to I mean, all they could do is wait an hour before their time. Ridiculous. It wasn't possible for me to call earlier, so I'm telling you now.
028>> Yeah, that's exactly what we're That's what management is up against. It's a ridiculous law. >> But I know a restaurant owners >> I was going to say, how can you run a restaurant when >> Well, they know that as soon as someone has maybe get gets their 30 hours and they get the one hour off, they're just going to leave their shift. >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> yep. Got to go. >> I have an hour off. Got to go. My dog needs >> I can't close tonight. Got to go. >> Yep. >> Is there a typo in five? So, what about the domestic partner? >> How about in five >> or am I just reading it, Rod? >> The what? >> Read the sentence. >> Domestic partner leaves an adult in Oh, leaves. Yes,
029it's a typo. >> Okay. What's it supposed to be? >> Leaves. L E A V E. >> I couldn't come up with a word for that. I'm like, >> sorry. Thank you. >> Oh, lease. Yeah, that's uh hopefully we're not leasing an adult. >> Is it supposed to be flee? >> Sorry. Sorry. >> I should have sent it to you, Mo. >> I love finding other people's mistakes. >> Yes, I did not catch any. make a good pair because I do make them >> especially my typing >> if >> with a correction >> as far as 10B is concerned. If there's no other discussions, I'll take a motion. I'll make a motion to approve. >> We're not approving. >> Yeah. To adopt. Yes, we are. >> Oh, we're adopting. Yes. to adopt the earned sign
030provision for the employees of the Oxford Community Television >> with a correction of five >> with a correction. >> Thank you. >> I'll I'll support. >> You should probably do a roll call. >> Yeah, we have a motion's been supported. Roll call. >> Sorry. >> John, >> yes. Catherine, >> yes. >> Ed, >> yes. >> Mo, yes. >> Thank you. >> Item 11, manager report. >> Yeah. So, it's been quiet, which is good. OCTV continues to host um the business group twice a month for the chamber, which gives us good exposure. Um in the process of developing a we are in the process of developing a survey and a delivery method focusing on revenue sources, business advertising and community interest. And I'm doing that through AI. um met with HR person to produce the ESTA
031and I just explained all that um to you. She saw quite she went through our handbook and saw quite a few things that she said she would suggest changes of if we wanted to work more with her, but it would cost us. So, right now I'm comfortable with She said nothing is really wrong and we're not out of compliance with anything, but it took 5 years to develop that handbook. So, >> yeah, I think we're good with that. >> Yeah. Um, Oxford Township Supervisor Jack Curtis requested OCTV to turn in our budget by the 15th. Um, I did attend this AI seminar, which is incredible the things that we could do with AI. Um, so I'm happy and excited to work with it. Uh, we need to have outside TV sign diagnosed. There's no lights
032as far as we can tell at night, but none of us are there late enough to really sit and diagnose it. So, there's no lights on the OCTV uh sign, we think. So, eventually I'll have somebody come in and check that out. The guy that made the sign, and he's from Oxford. and he has had to come out again and unplug our vent. There was another nest in it and the air conditioning quit working. Um I keep asking him if we can put a screen over it because that's what um Parks and Rex does with their vent because they've had the same issue and he keeps telling me no, that will eventually plug up and mess up the system. So I'm not really sure what we should do about that yet. Um, I forgot to
033put on here. We also had our toilet just come off the floor. >> It that seal that um >> The ring. Yeah. It just the waxy thing came off completely. It's not like we jump on it. We don't have a lot of people there. I don't know why, but they the guy that um put it in, the plumber came and fixed it and so far hasn't charged us. >> Um >> how is the building now? It was 2019. >> Okay. >> So, when we moved in, um, the township supervisor at that time had us replace all of our fire extinguishers that we had on 24 with a new company. So, we've done that and um, every year they have to check those fire extinguishers. And last year they charged us $28 service fee. And when
034I asked about that, well, you know, it's gas and we we're on the road. They walk over from parks and wrecks. Well, this year it's $58. And so, I did pay it, but I'm I'm not happy about that. So, >> Parks and Rex should split that. >> Why didn't the fire department >> I was going to talk to Philillip about that. Oh, they don't do it anymore. I talked to Chief Majestic and they don't do it any longer. So, I'm I'm looking at different um what are they called? Uh safety sources. >> Um we covered the Leonard Strawberry Festival. We continue to grow our Facebook and YouTube viewership and subscribers. It's pretty incredible really, especially since when I first started there were like four people that watched us. um experience about 2,000 engagements per month
035on Facebook. Looking to complete a five-year budget for Mo after I submit the Oxford Township budget and that's it. Oh, wait. No. Um next week I'm attending an HR conference to make sure we're in compliance with all of our HR stuff besides what we have in the handbook. And that's um in Kalamazoo. I'm going to pay for the hotel because I have a friend over there I'm going to visit, too. Um, and it's the mileage that put us over on the educational area for the amendment that we need to make next. >> We should probably walk. >> I went over there for another reason. Why was that that I went over there and I just didn't Oh, it was two trips to Lancing. The mileage is what took our budget took the whole budget away
036line item. So, I will not charge for a hotel. should just take a train to Kazoo. >> This is >> You should take the train to Kazoo all the time. >> Really? That would be fun. >> Picked it up in Lier and I took it to Koo. >> No kidding. I'll look into that. That would be fun. >> But it couldn't have been expensive. I wouldn't have been able to afford it. >> Okay. Item 12, committee reports. Technical committee. We have nothing. >> Personnel. >> Nothing. Interlogical agreement committee. We don't need them any commissioner comments. Mo. I'm no longer on the village council. I'm serving as a private citizen and they've appointed me. So, we're good to go. >> Okay. >> I'm free. >> John, >> nothing. >> Yeah. >> Catherine, >> I have nothing.
037>> I have a comment I always bring up. Who What's the deal with our website? Bill Service is still listed as a station manager. There are people on there. Do we not have a website? >> We do. We do, but we're working >> manager coordinator. >> We do >> we're working with the uh Ionos, which is also our web our uh email to correct some errors that they put in that is not allowing some of the information to get through. >> I don't understand. We've tried to make the corrections and getting through to them is not easy or getting them Ionos. That's our website. That's our host. >> Oh, your host. >> And in order to make it so that we can work with it, we'd have to change everything. We'd have to get a
038new website. We'd have to get a new email. And we can't afford that right now. >> Who put who set this up originally? >> Either Ken. Was it Ken? >> Alden. >> Don. >> Not Alden. Um >> Ken uh Lel >> who's who who am I think >> Ken L or Don No Hugidge Bill Service? >> No. Who was your IT or your technical guy that went up to Grand Rap or uh Bay City? >> Oh, Elgen. I was thinking all >> No, Elen didn't set that up. No, we had it set up beforeh. So, >> I think it was Ken. >> What What alternative do we just leave it alone? >> Well, no. Dave Dave continues to hammer them and talk with them and you have to email this person and then that person.
039They're not very organized company. >> Well, can't they just give you control of the website to make the changes? >> No, we're not. We are not um web designers or web masters. >> Can you get another company to do it? We could, but we can't. >> It would be very expensive. So, right now, I'm working employees who are no longer at least around. >> I know. I would love to. >> Well, that's It just takes one button to leave. >> Nope. >> Nope. It does not. >> And so, right now, I'm working with the chamber getting a new website and stuff, and it's like $5,000 just to start talking to these people and then designing it. and it could go up to 20 grand and we just don't have that kind of money right now.
040We don't get a lot of complaints about our >> I got to talk to my son-in-law. He builds websites. I talk to him find out what >> charity. >> We are charity right now. >> Public comments. >> Very scared. >> None. >> Make a motion to adjourn at 5:00. >> I'll second. >> We have a motion. It's been supported. All in favor? I opposed >> can stay. >> We are journed.