001back on June 19th, 2025. This is the regular meeting for the planning commission in the village of Leonard and we'll do we don't have it on the book. Okay, we'll see if I'm sorry to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Should I keep the I will I will pre-applize for not having an agenda realizing that I'm supposed to be doing it, not you. So that's No, that's okay. Actually, either one of us. Okay, it covers. So we we got each other. We're back. Got it. Good. Okay. If you want to do a roll call. All right. President Promwag here. Zelnot here. West Morland here. Noacaker here. Alanti absent excused. All right. So, we have
002before us the minutes from February 2025. If somebody would like to just get a quick eyeball on them and then we'll make a motion to approve them. And I will make a motion to approve and file the minutes for the planning commission February 20, 2025 meeting. Second. You going to second? I'll support it. You second. And all in favor? I. All opposed? Hearing? None. Motion carries. Agenda approval. Um, I would like to add a number six under new business of a zoning variance application just because it was a late last minute ad. Um, and I don't know if I could do it or not, but I'll make a motion to approve the amended agenda. I'll support. All in favor? I. All opposed hearing none. Motion carries. Uh, we will open for public comment. me. Oh,
003okay. What you got? I'm Dave Bradford, in case you don't know. Um, I came tonight. Basically, I see our village not moving in any direction at all. And I'd like to try to take some of the properties that I have and make them commercial possibly and uh then develop into something that we can be proud of and use and bring some tax money to the village of which we deeply need. I'm really worried about that. That's why I'm here. So, I've got four sites that I would like to do something with. Okay. Just sitting there cutting grass. My daughter's cutting grass, I should say. So, these are Okay. It's just put the symbols on. Um, what would I do? Okay, there we go. What would What would I create? I really don't know. I I
004I sit in the barber shop and listen to people. I have the history book there. I show people to come in and get their haircut. They are really impressed with that uh history book we have. They they in fact sold quite a few of them after they looked through. They don't even live in the area, but they thought it was pretty cool. So, uh, my goal is to stay with the old style development. Um, I got a piece of property where in Rochester Road. It's vacant. It can't be built on, but I thought a promise market would be pretty cool there. Can't be built on because uh it it failed test. Okay. Okay. I knew that. I I wasn't concerned about that, but I thought is does it get swampy? Uh it's got a high
005water table. Right now it's already dropped. I went down three feet and there's no water. It's it's a thing that you would you would use in the summer. You could start right now because you're 3 ft down. Uh you in a farmers market, you don't necessarily need a septic at all. You know, uh would you be putting a structure on there? Not really. Okay. I think it would be a tent. Gotcha. Because it would be what, nine months out of the year maybe? Yeah. I think it would be a funds thing. I see all these farms around here. They're selling stuff at their farm. Yeah. And I don't know if it would work or not, but it's worth trying. Do you I don't even know if that needs to be commercial. I was going to
006ask because you have four parcels. Would they all be farmers markets or would they be different? Oh, no. No. No. Cuz we probably have to just the first one. Got it. Okay. Are you talking about the one that I've passed where there's like lots of willow branches and all kinds of debris all piled up there? That's this one right here. Yeah, that's right across from that one right there. Oh, okay. I was So, they each have I say Okay, you got Can I Can we keep this one? This Can we keep this paper? Yeah. And you have um you have four different parcels, four different parcel numbers, right? So, now uh and I added the number six was the zoning variance application. So, we'll probably we'll start using that to go through some of the
007stuff like this. Um, what we'll have to do is we'll have to go back and make sure that what your what your intended use fits either what it currently is zoned at or what it could be zoned at. And then does that fit the zoning law? You know, because commercial may have certain setbacks and sizes and I don't I don't even know, not looking at it. I don't know. The state of Michigan might have that in Well, and we Yeah, we may have some of that, too. So, we'll have to county. So, what we'll probably have to do and I can I can I guess facilitate making this happen is get we'll we'll get our zoning application together and then I'll get you four of them. We'll get some parcel numbers on it and we'll
008start you in the process of like taking a look at what you're thinking you want to do. Yeah. I know you you'd be a little bit flexible on some of those, but we we should have a plan. you know, uh, we don't like to change zoning until it there's a reason for it, but also at the same time, we have to make sure it can be zoned that way. So, yeah, because I think it would end up I mean, I would be more I I'd be more inclined to do mixed use than I would be uh, commercial or, you know, changing it from residential. That way, there's a little bit of flexibility in there. Yeah. But I guess it depends on what you wanted to do with it. So, you know, now the the property
009with the branches on it that I don't know. I' I'd like to put a little restaurant there, a little uh I'd like to make it look like an oldfashioned train station. And that would require like site plans and building. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm just coming here. Yeah. To get an idea. Yep. And I'm never going to tell you no. We just have to go through the We have to go through the motions. Yeah. One question if you don't mind. No. Um, have you discussed this with any of the neighbors of the properties that you're looking to change status on? Yeah. And, uh, what kind of answers did you get? Talking about right now, the people right up to the south, they didn't have a problem with it at all. I didn't talk to the other
010neighbor. Um, I would guess that they'll all say they don't want it and you got to look past that or we'll never do anything and then I will sell it to some developers. Either I'm going to do it or somebody else is going to do it. That's the way it's going to be. Yeah. So, if you want to work with me, that's fine. You want to work with somebody who's got more money than you do, that's how it'll end up. Well, like I said, we have to go through the motions. Um, if you know if I mean technically if asking you know I'm in enough cities I know you have to ask the neighbors if you can put up a fence. I have to ask the neighbors if I'm allowed to put up a fence
011even though it can it doesn't touch their property. They don't maintain it but I still have to ask. We have to make sure you know like setbacks and visuals and road sizes would be a concern because bas narrow. So now you might be um you might have a restaurant that or a farmers market that's back in the corner with nowhere to park, you know. So we have to make sure that those things make sense and and really I would agree with you. If you like you said, if you're not allowed to do what you're looking to do and would prefer to sell it, then you at least have an answer. So, but we'll go through the motions and then I'll take uh we'll get we'll get our application all straightened up and that way, you
012know, we'll work some bugs out of it maybe over the next day and but we'll get them to you so we can kind of start having the conversation and get stuff together and taking a look at it. I know for a fact three of them will pass the health department requirement. Okay. Well, you said it was just that one parcel that's that doesn't work. The rest of them didn't. I didn't care. I just thought it would be kind of cool. I was going to put strawberries in there, but I don't think I want to do that. Then farmers market sound pretty cool. So, that'd be a temp that's up for a few months. Yeah. Um, the house I acquired that I didn't want might be a good spot for a restaurant. Yeah, I think you've
013talked about that in the past, too. I remember that conversation. It's it's it's very unique because it's it's a historic house. Yes. It was built by the guy that started the town, Frank Raleigh with the sawmill. They say Leonard Rollins started the town, but I I disagree with it. Um yeah, he helped with it, but he didn't cause a reason for it. But the so the downside that you may find what you what you might be up against with that house is you need to be handicap accessible. Doorways need to be 36, you know, like they have to be wide. So it's not a problem. We It's not a problem till you start opening up plaster walls. No, we're we're taking them all we take them all down. Okay. Everything. Okay. Up to code. I'm
014not And like I said, that's where Yeah. We'll have to go through the application and get your plans to fix and you hit the wall and the plaster falls off. Why don't you just take it off in the beginning and get rid of it? It's It's It's heavy. I've done it. It's Yeah. There's people that can do that. I'm not have the ability to do all that. But like I said, we can't make a decision right in front. But yeah, like I said, to bring it up. I'll never stop you. We'll we'll help you go through the process and do the application and do what we can do and see if we can, like I said, if you can make it happen. And the one up at Cell Street. Mhm. Um I was shocked. It's
015all sand. It shows half of it sand when I dug down there. I say I think somebody spotted you digging holes everywhere. I do that a lot. Yeah, I just dug. So my grandson, he's hooked on. Good. Grandpa, let's go dig some holes. Anyway, but okay. Just just keep that in mind. We we'll talk and if if if you can you can and like you said you'll know what to do. I feel so bad that our town has not had a vision since 1908 they have it it's all went backwards. Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's part it's right in our history progress I guess was the only one that had a vision. Yeah. He he basically built this count and now we're either going to upgrade and get rid of the town. That's the way I
016see it. We're going to run out of money. That's that's why I'm here. Appreciate that. Okay. And I know you've got the hard for it. So, any other business in front of any other public comments? Well, I'm too tired of comments. I'd like to hear my nap today. Clerk said go home and take a nap. That's a good idea. That's a You didn't listen. You did not listen. You got to listen. That's right. Um, so under new business, we have officer reassignments. Um, as we know, me sitting in this spot, it's temporary every single time I sit in here because I have a vote on the on the council and I have a vote here and you cannot do both of those. Um, even saying that out loud that I would recuse myself from anything
017that was on one of those sides doesn't matter. It's still a rule. So, I'll let you take one next. So Jennifer and I talked about it and although I I've been reticent to do it, I'm going to step up and take the chair position. So if I am nominated to do so by someone in the planning commission, but we would then need a secretary, which I'm fine doing. You're fine with doing? Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. So we would just switch spots. Um that allows this position to be more permanent. Um and then like you said, I could take more notes as I was sitting here. something we could knew was going to come happen here anyways in in time quite you know to yeah and we knew that I mean I Leslie was such
018a prominent spot you know she she did so much work that it was overwhelming to think that we would be able to fill this spot and not have all of that work in front of us but really because she did it it it's kind of quiet now kind of yeah as much as or little as as you want to do and so um Yeah. So even though you have things going on, it wouldn't be crazy here anyhow because my role as clerk isn't a conflict because I have no vote. Yeah. Um at village council and so for that reason I can chair something else in the village. So there we go. Very good. So, I will make a motion to appoint Lori Zelnak as the uh president of the planning commission and nominate myself, Jennifer
019Swack, as secretary. We will switch positions. I think you should divide that into two. Okay. All right. Right. I will make a motion to nominate uh and appoint Lori Zelnak as the president of planning commission. We'll leave it at that. I'll support that. Um all in favor and we'll just do a roll count just to Yeah. Swack. Yes. Zeln. West Morland. Yes. Noacaker. Yes. All right. So the second motion will be to nominate Jennifer Swack myself as or appoint I should say myself as secretary of the planning commission. I'll second u if we could do a roll call on that. Zelnock. Yes. Swack. Yes. No. Yes. West Morland. Yes. So both of those go through and we are done doing a little temporary meeting every time. Yay. Okay. And we'll work together to make these
020two positions cuz awesome. I forget to do minutes and you may forget to do something. I don't know. That's wonderful. I'll takes a village. Whoever wants to help, I'm for sure more than happy. So, number two is a training session with our consultant planner, Caitlyn Tabin. Um, I'll let you I guess I'll let you take that. Well, you know, here's the thing. Just we've got a couple things on the agenda. And so, Caitlyn, I think I shared maybe with you guys the fact that she'd like to do something and and she can cover like just anything that we're interested in. If we want to learn a little bit more about, you know, zoning or variances or just procedural, um, I just let her know ahead of time kind of what we want to talk about.
021she'll show up. We can invite village council to come too if they want to learn a little bit more. And I was kind of hoping something for July, but now um there's another thing farther down on the agenda that probably is going to uh crop up next month and that is that we do have a resident that wants a variance and she'll have to have a public hearing to do so. So that being the case, um there's I said to her that, you know, the the way the variances and the way the site plans work is they're submitted and we have like 30 days to go not to go over them. Basically, if we want to do a little less time, we can give them that so they can get in at the very next
022meeting. Um but you know, there's like so much stuff that's in like a site plan to go over, especially when you're talking about a variance that um we need those 30 days. So, we're probably should have a July meeting. Okay. So, we can always push Caitlyn off till August or September instead to get the training. It's really going to be just on the availability of what the planning commissioners I told her, I said, "July is a busy month. A lot of us are gone out of town and on vacation." I said, "It's not a great month, but we will work with you the best we can." So maybe at the end of the meeting, we could just have a conversation about if there's any days that we have that don't fall in to already meetings
023be here because with Strawberry Festival falling right around when we normally meet, this place is going to be busy. So it might be a little challenging. So um so maybe we could just put that as old business for our next meeting and just have like a brief conversation about what it might look like for August or September if we want to do that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it would be more important for this group to be present, not as important for the council to be present, right? Um, so I think our priority would be in whether or not everybody was here in the room, right? Was available August or September, right? So I think that would be it'd be better for everybody. Things settle down, the kids go back to school, and it's just an easier
024time to to fit things like that in. Well, it's kind of the time that you're looking for a break. Yeah. Okay. And there is nothing else that we had to do with that one, right? Really? No. Is there any kind of cost to that for her to come out or There is because we pay her kind of on an as needed basis. She will charge us whatever her like hourly rate is to prepare the materials and then make a presentation. But but I think it's money well spent. Yes. Yes. Especially when we don't have a lot of activity with zoning and ordinances and right when we do we kind of step to step back and learn. Correct. So, and we really don't spend any money here, so nope. We really don't. Not again. It doesn't
025hurt. Um, okay. So, number three is an ordinance enforcement for um property 115 West Elmwood. Um, the issue that was brought up um was that there is a dirt track, a dirt bike track. This this was connected to it too, right? Um Yeah. And here is the enforcement letter just in case. Yeah, I had that one. Oh, you got it. Okay. Yeah. And then that goes with the one that the code is written at the top. Yes. All right. Um, so there was a dirt bike track was constructed, but no uh no planning, no nothing was given uh nothing was allowed. And the problem with it is the the site is too small according to so the property is less than 2 acres. you're not allowed to have a um a dirt track of any
026sort on that size parcel. The parcel uh the road easement also it encroaches on the road easement. So uh there was safety health and safety concerns and um I think that was pretty much it. A noise it's a potential noise violation as well. Um, so a letter has gone out and it sounds like there has been some conversations between um the village and the homeowner. Um, I think we've given him 45 days to correct it. We gave him a little extra time because he was going to be out of town, right? Yeah. Out of town for two weeks, so I extended it another 15 days for him. Did he give you any indication as to what he might do? has to get out of the east. That's But I It's only estimating. You got to
027agree with me that we're estimating this because you have not surveyed your property. Yeah. And I can't survey the road just to tell you to push this back. I know. You know, you're right the road. You're in the east. Well, he also would have to get rid of Well, I guess he doesn't necessarily have to get rid of it as long as it's not for a motorized dirt bike. So, if it was literally a pedal bike, he'd be fine. He just has to get out of the eastment. I pushed him back 8 ft which was probably one track and he had to put that that easement back in the condition that was okay which was grass of some sort. Okay. You know he's he's agreed to do that. Yeah. But I did say that you
028know if I come in here and rework this road and take a survey I might have to push you back more. It's just an estimate. It's not because you didn't survey. You didn't do anything with your property. So, I can't tell where your property line ends and and easement begins. And it's hard to tell from bird's eye view um any of the any of the websites or anything like that. They're they're difficult to read. They're not specific. They're not exact. So, survey is best when it comes to that kind of stuff, especially with as much of the property that is using up. Um so, we do have photos if anybody was curious as to what the parcel looks like from the top. um and where his property line again these numbers these lines are very
029close but they may not be exact but they they do and it it actually looks like they skew in this photo here they skew more easement on his side like the road is actually set to the the east a little bit so it does look that way when you look at that picture have less easement but that could be exactly how it's it could be we can pass it around if you guys want to see that And then we can circle it back. If you look at the road with that that long one length, excuse me for button in, but if you look at that road on his side of his property and you try to line it up with his property line, you see the road blowing out away from there. So it's it's
030not where it should be. Uh it's not wide. It's it's at best 19 ft wide. That road is too small, right? And so that has to be taken into consideration. So if we had further issue, it would probably be on the homeowner to to survey his property if there was some kind of work that needed to be done, you know, in the rightway. Other otherwise, but moving forward for the village for for us, if we ever get this greater and we can do our own work like that, we would still have to go in there and survey to put that rope back in the right position. Sure. That would that would be cost to the village. Yep. Yeah. You couldn't just build a road in case you think it has to be surveyed. Yeah, you'd
031have to have again plans. Same thing for you that we would ask of him. So that would be no different if we can get them down there or not. I don't know if there's anything else uh without There really wasn't anything. I we just figured since it was kind of zoning related that maybe it's just something like I don't know. I always if I see something kind of like to refer to the book to see how it it like applies and there was no need for any further action at this time because the act the onus is on him right now to get back to the village. Right. Correct. That's up to him. So there's nothing that we're going to do. Um and like I said there's no no changes, no requests, no nothing. No,
032he was advised about the noise, but we didn't include it in the um complaint letter. But if he if we do hear noise, then that will have to be addressed and another enforcement letter will have to go out. But, you know, we just kind of kept it to the right at this point. So, that's where we're at. Well, noise can be subjective and that it was loud is not, you know, property lines are not. So, that that makes sense to uh to address just address the that is clear and concise. So um there also is limitations on hours. Yeah, there's so yes that'll have to be addressed also. Um I think we have in our ordinances like 2 hours of continuous so much of a break. So this little number that you have in your
033packet is what the advisement was. So it's um 8:00 p.m. 7 a.m. and then it breaks it down 60-minute sessions, you know, 1 hour rest. Um so yep. So that way he could at least like have that just for a maximum of four hours cumulative operation for reference on that. And then I am going to give you that um the village council meeting minutes if you want to because I know you've got village council update. So let's see here. That was June 9th. One of these days out of all the years, all the numbers. Yeah. Okay. So, this is everything that we did starting with the new business. So, um Yep. So, we will go to So, item number four is a village council update. And as Lori has mentioned, I forget the minutes every
034single time I come. Um decorating committee. Uh this will be a note to you. was approved some funds to do the planters at the mill. Yes. To include those. So that those costs were covered. I think it was like 150 and 150. Yeah, it was 150 for this. He already has his check. Already done. They were they were on it. Excellent. Okay. Um we did request an ad hoc committee to do uh or to handle some of the road paving project just because that is such a humongous project. um involves lots of money, lots of pe you know like just one person can't handle it. So did we do anything with ad hoc yet or we just you know it was a conversation and then I think we'll just have a conversation again and see
035if we can't get a few more people together just to you know lighten our village president's load because honestly that is a a huge one. It's kind of huge and I don't I wouldn't want to if it were me I would not want all that responsibility falling on me to make all those decisions. I feel like, you know, um it'd be better. It's a multi-million dollar project that involves us, the village being able to come up with finances in the hundreds of thousands and like over time. So, uh and this we're talking about this was paving forest, right? Yeah. Because we did what several years ago. So, this was talking about Forest Street. So, we'll get some more information out about the ad hoc committee and and hopefully pull in some people out of the
036village, too. Not just officers or committee members and stuff like that. Uh, we did have to reprogram some CDBG grant monies. Um, I will spare the details on that one because it's complicated as well. Basically, you can't have all the money that we promised you because you can't spend it all at one time. Um, so it's a lot of governmental red tape and we did what we thought was best and uh reprogrammed where we could. And there's really nothing else to say to that one. It gets so crazy. Um, we did make interesting. All right. We did make a we had a treasure. The treasur position is now can I say that it's now going to be it's an appointed position. It is. It's official. So, it's officially an appointed position and not a an
037elected position. And the reason that we did that is because we are a village of about 15 people and we need four of 10 of them are already on the council. There's only one left. Um there's nobody here that would that is interested in doing the position, but we need Judy to not be in the position. She is she's had her she's done. She's down to her time. So by appointing this person instead of electing them, they can be they can live outside of the village. They don't have to be residents anymore. Um and that's it. It's what we've got to do. If if it's how we have to handle it, then it's how we have to handle it. So, uh, we had some not agree, governmental agreement that we approved. I think that was
038pretty much it. Yeah, we talked about 115 West Elmwood again. That's it. And that's Yeah, that's pretty much it. So, I appreciate that cuz that way easier than talking to my house. I know, right? Uh so item number five is 4571 Rosie Drive is looking to add an accessory building. Um at this point um this is kind of like the conversation with Dave. It's new. We need to go through um an an application and kind of step through this process to see exactly what's going on. What do we what is the She's asking for a variance which they'll need. They are asking for a variance. Um so we just need to understand what the variance is. have some drawings, some sketches, some plans, um, and understand what we're varying from and what it means so
039that we don't open some kind of can of worms that everyone's like, I want a variance, I want to snowballs into everybody's garages are in the front and nobody faces any direction, right? And don't hurt any neighbors, don't mess up property value, you know, all that kind of good stuff. And I think um being that it's Rosie Drive too, they're they don't have an active homeowners association, but they still have something and I think they should kind of follow that as well just to stay in track because at any point that could become active and become so um right now it is not uh a functioning HOA but there are expectations. So let's uh leave it at that. Uh so that one's a TBD and the reason that we may need a July meeting is
040that that item right there. Okay. Uh number six is the zoning variance application which came out of all of this stuff that we're we're talking about here. So uh Lori put together quickly put together a zoning variance application uh because we did not have one. And on this application so far we have address of the subject property, the parcel ID. Uh the zoning orient ordinance sections that are related to the this request and any appeals that would be involved. You've got the applicant name, the company, the address, the phone, um property owner, affiliation, the property owner, and then we'll have to go through I I think um you're probably open to I was to say a checklist is what was right. I like I said if anybody has input I was looking for input. So
041um and then also I want you to make a note that there is an application fee of $250 for this should be bolded the um yeah it should be bolded. Good idea. the um I will do that bold um the variance application because there are times just like with the site plan application actually I I kind of went low on the variance um cuz sometimes people just need something small but um when I did the pond I had to pay 400 for a site plan um because sometimes they have to consult a building official who charges I think $60 an hour and sometimes we have to consult our consultant planner and they're hundred something an hour. And a lot of times because we can't always make these decisions on our own and because there's some
042legal repercussions that sometimes can be involved in them if we make decisions. Um we have to have some money from the applicant that we could potentially use. And like I said, I went really low. I mean, I don't know that that would cover if we had to outside. I don't you know I wanted to ask you guys what you thought just because site plan this is almost identical to what we ask for in a site plan. Okay. Um with a little variation and this is this is a two-page. Yeah. So this is you know 250 instead of 400. So kind of digest that. Does that cover what the 250 cover if we had to call it Caitlyn? Um you know to be honest with you I need to find out. um when we signed those
043papers when she came aboard it said what like she charges but I don't recall because now I have to kind of ask her you know if you if you if we asked you for help on this I know she couldn't give us a definitive like it's going to take me four hours but correct what what kind of range are we talking that way this fee at least covers that so that the village is not paying out of pocket correct for everybody's ideas right or you know and I guess there is something that could be added potentially you guys that we could say if it ends up going, you know, our consulting fees go above the cost of what we ask for the application, we could, you know, go back to the homeowner on that because
044there are times where, like, you know, a lot of times I think, well, this is a phone call. You can answer my question. Well, no, it's not. They have to go through, you know, our ordinances. They have to look at what the legal ramifications are. So, a lot of times it's a more involved and, you know, bigger projects could get into a whole lot more money. So, that's a that's a good note. Perhaps I could come up with some wording on that. Um, I'll work on that. Up to a possible amount. Yeah. Or something like if our consulting I I can't think of it off the top of my head, but we can maybe give it like almost like a tiered, right? And then I could just email it back out to everybody for edits.
045Yeah. Um, and comments and Okay. Yeah. if we could even make it tiered cuz like you said there are some projects that are small. I mean your pond was only involved certain things you didn't have to put back. Yeah, I like the tears. But then if it was like you were adding a house I mean clearly you know if we're changing something from something bigger maybe that's a really good idea. At least it gives somebody a break, right? I don't want it to drag the process on but at the same time I want to try to be fair with Right. Um, I added a little legal language to have them sign just for one reason that, you know, when I did my site plan, I could have paid somebody to do it, but you guys
046said I could do it, but um, they have to sign off saying that like, you know, these statements are correct. And if they're not correct, then, you know, there's going to be probably some legal ramifications that would be on them, not on the village. Because if we were given bad information or misinformation and we made a decision based on misinformation, um then they just declared that it was the truth. Yeah. Then that would have to go back on them to make any, you know, repairs or fixes to that. That wouldn't be like on our dime. Yes. So, I kind of felt like that might have been an important one to put in there. Absolutely. So, added that. because I need to know that this is what you know um you came in and I'm just
047going to use the pond just because it was already done but you're going to come in and make a pond and you didn't add a waterfall and a river and all just a water feature and ended up being a water park. Correct. Or if the elevations I gave were incorrect then that could change everything because I think one of the issues with the variance is that there's this big elevation issue where there's this big dip where you can't put a building towards the edge of this big dip. And so what they want to do is they want to push it forward. I don't know how far forward they want to push it. They may have to shorten their building a little bit, but um there's a good reason why they need the variance. Um it's
048just a matter of of is it going to be acceptable? What is how is it when she gives us the maps and she lays everything out? How is that going to sit on the yard? Is it, you know, going to block the neighbor's view? Is it going to cause all kinds of problems? And by just giving you an address, you have no idea what this building looks like. Yeah, you have no idea what the topography of this land is. Correct. So, just so it all needs to be clear, right? So, you know, you guys don't have to read this now or today. Um, I can go ahead and make the first two edits, email them to you and then please your input if you want to put them in red and just, you know, add
049what you think additions need to be done and then I can go ahead and just work on another copy. Yeah. So, um, so we'll continue to work on that and then we'll get I'll get them over to Dave. That way he can we can debug our process. Okay. All right. All right. So, that was pretty much it. Um, for old business, we have 4285 Forest Street. Uh, I think there's still a couple calls coming in for foyer requests, right, for that one. People are still asking. I got one from a title company. That's right. The title company was involved. So, now that tells me that it has le it has gotten to a different level. Do we have any other information on that? Nothing. Nothing from that. um just kind of waiting to hear. Okay.
050So, it's it's entirely possible that if a title company is involved that there may be a sale because the title company's usually not engaged. They're either engaged at the beginning by the seller to get all these bugs out or they're engaged at the end by the seller and the buyer to finish the project. So, um or they could take us to court and say you guys screwed up, which we didn't, right? It was it was the What would this court agent held on to the uh dispensation too long? He didn't. He's the one presents it to the court, not puts it on the docket. Okay. He held on it outside the parameters of the timing. So he extended. He went beyond the timing. He took it to court anyway. Okay. So it was all based
051on the court people, not on us. We did our job right. But so now we have this problem that they could look at and say, "Well, you you're telling me you guys messed this up." We didn't. Is this regarding the demolition of the building though? Yes. Okay. So that's why we're going to revisit it in the future. So let's they also have a new legal team, whoever had an interest in that. Okay. So let's say they wanted to renovate the building then. Um do we still because it's been declared no good. They still have to get their building permits. The court still accepted our paperwork. Yeah, the court still accepted it and put it on the docket even though it's outside the parameters of their timing. That's the only issue with But our lawyer suggested
052that we revisit it because there's a new legal team involved. Give them a chance to address things again and give them that timing span again that we'll go through again. It would be better and it would look better in the court if we did this than if we didn't. They just say, "Well, we already did this. We're not doing it again." Okay. All right. Um Huh. Okay. I mean, it is what it is. If somebody comes in and they fully renovate, get all their permits and bring it back to life. Yes. It would save us a lot of further headaches. If somebody buys the property and they demolish it, you know, they demo the property like we've requested. Wonderful. Either way, I'd like to see some movement on the property. no matter what happens, no
053matter who. Um, like you said, if they if they got around the system because somebody did it late and they renovate what's there, pull your permits, get it back in, be be my guest, but oh well. Supposed to be drafting all that to bring it to us at the meeting. Okay. Right. All right. So, we just continue down the path that we have started and that's all we can do. update them on our purchasing place. So, okay. Just about ready to do it. I don't have any access to what would be in process. You don't know who what title company was, do you? Um, would you have that information? I have it. I don't know. I just don't recall. Yes. But you might have the actual information. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. I've got it in the
054email. I can forward it to you. We might be able to ask them questions. Never thought about it. It's an interesting idea. I don't have to ask specific questions. I can't ask purchase price. I can't ask exactly what's happening, but I can ask maybe if it's happening. Oh, well, I'm going to forward it to you. There's certain questions. It's a good idea. Um, our planning commission questions or concerns. Is there anything out there that um anybody has? I can open that to the public as well. I think on that motion on that uh idea here, we will just adjourn the meeting. 7:42. At 7:42. I'll second. Uh, all in favor? I. All oppose. Hearing none. Meeting is scheduled.