001Call the meeting to order. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Okay. Would secretary like to do roll call, please? Vice Chair Benz here. Secretary Lundy here. Linda Garrick present. Jenny Eller here. Mark Smith here. Joel King here. Okay. Uh for announcements and correspondence. Did get a letter uh today. Yes, of today uh from uh Park Hill about the uh right of the meeting tonight and uh it'll be recorded that we did receive it. Uh would anybody like to uh approve the agenda? I move to I move to approve the agenda of the March 11th meeting. Second. Okay. Everybody say I. I I How about approval of the minutes? Just
002one change on the minutes. Oh, what is it? Um on the under where it says approval of the agenda. Then there's the meeting minutes and it says approval of agenda again. Just switch that to minutes. What should it be? It should be minutes. Move to approve the minutes. Okay. Any other corrections? We do. We want to approve them. Will the collection in there? I move that we approve the minutes as amended. I approve. I second it. Everybody pass it. I I Okay. We're going to have a public hearing today on these ordinances. And when we have a public hearing, it is just for us to gather information. We're not going to respond. And the only one you can talk to is the chairperson which is at the moment uh me. But we just take in
003the information and it'll be acted upon on the next meeting as long as that's clear. And when you come up to speak, you'll give your name and then speak. I don't think with the amount of people here I have to limit you to your three minutes or whatever. I think we have enough time for this and after each article I'm going to close the meeting and then open it for each one. So that's when you see that happening that's what has to be done and uh our planner here has a few summary ideas here for you Mr. Sprout. Sure. So, prior to the conversation in your public hearing, um you have four uh amendments that you're going to be hearing this evening. Um or or that we discussed at your last planning commission meeting. Uh
004we'll be hearing thoughts from those amendments from this crowd this evening. Uh the first was to uh repeal the existing open space ordinance as written uh to provide changes to that ordinance and then recodify it. Um that is a ordinance that is uh required under the zoning enabling act as a tool that has to be uh implemented through the zoning enabling act. Um that so that's number one. Number two is the new ordinance article 4 uh that is that is regulating and uh not allowing new community uh wastewater and septic systems. Meaning that the township will only allow going forward those systems either existing in place or those systems that are one well, one septic per property as opposed to multiple properties being able to use the same system. Again, only for those going forward,
005not for those looking backward. And that's again I think the concern of the letter that's going into the public record is that there was going to be or there could be a chance that that new ordinance would possibly negatively affect an existing development that is under consent judgment that was recently approved through site plan approval processes last year. Uh that's not the case. This ordinance will not affect it going forward. Correct. Okay. Number three um was a change to the schedule of regulations section 241B 241C 2401H and 2401P which were all corrections that just needed to be uh put in place to go along with the new private sept septic wastewater systems well systems to address that. Then the last is the permanent repeal without replacement of the PUD ordinance which was an ordinance that
006allowed for greater flexibility, smaller lots, higher densities under certain conditions that is not required under the zone zoning enabling act like the open space act. Uh and so those are the four things that we're hearing public comment on this evening. Now you are correct. your bylaws do indicate that you cannot take action on those and so it might be appropriate at some point to have a discussion on those bylaws uh to see if that policy would like to remain if you'd like it to remain but that is the policy of the hour. So with that floor is yours madam chair. Okay so as a reminder uh come up individually and state your name and the first one we're going to talk about is article 4.49 49 open space preservation delete and the replacement. Would anybody
007like to speak to that? Yes. The time and the time the hearing Oh, it is 6. Excuse me. 606. Can you speak? We can't hear very well. Can you speak a little closer? Your microphone's on mute. Okay. Now, can you hear me? Much better. Okay. Being a teacher, I've never had that problem. I have to get my teacher voice. Okay. So, the first article is in discussion. Anybody that wishes to speak to that one? Yes, sir. Hi, Jeff Bonetsky, 120 Lakeland Lane. Um, can you explain what the uh that particular ordinance change is going to do? As near as I can tell, it sounds like it's going to allow for increased density and uh and lowering the threshold for land preservation. No, I you want me to wait and respond to that when we're done?
008When we're done, we'll respond to that. I'm not supposed to I'm just supposed to listen. I'm just trying to understand what the ordinance is calling. Thank you. How can we how can we ask a question or comment if we don't know what we're commenting on? Shouldn't you explain it and then take public input once it's explained what what's involved? Wouldn't that be the correct way to do it? Well, I it was published, wasn't it? Um, I think what and feel free. I think what they're asking you is to go up and speak and then Justin is going to address everything um afterwards. Correct. Okay, I'll go up. Okay. If you're going to address it after, could you please explain what we're what I'm going to comment to to and will I be allowed to make
009a another comment once you explain what you're proposing? Okay. Yes. My name is Bill Chman 2465 Shane Court. question is is there a document someplace where it identifies only the changes to these not only the first one but this since we're on 4.49 49 identify what the changes are compared to what's there now. There's some place where we can see what the changes are. So that was in our last meeting last meeting that we had that uh the red line strike version. Um we can I know that can be shared with you after this evening because again they're not taking a vote on it tonight but that can be shared with you. We do have a red line version. Um the fundamentals of it are not changing. We're just uh streamlining it in accordance with
010the zoning enabling act. There will be no increase or decrease uh in open space permitted. There will be no increase in densities permitted. It's the rules of the zoning enabling act that we are putting in place here. Uh that's it. So we are just bringing our ordinance in line with the zoning enabling act. Good. So the last meeting we'll be looking at that document. the meeting for March 11th. Is that where the red line got? Yes, that's where it was discussed. Thank you very much. Wayne Hodgees is 825 Code Drive. Uh, could you enlighten me as to what is the zoning and enabling act? I apologize, but it's something I'm not familiar with, so I don't know if I'm in favor of it or concerned about. Zoning Enabling Act is public act 110 of 2006,
011which is the state law allowing for zoning uh within counties uh and divisions of counties such as townships, villages, cities. And so the zoning enabling act is what establishes the open space preservation zoning uh and it calls for it. And so that is all that we're doing is taking our ordinance as it exists now bringing it in alignment with the state statute and moving forward. Thank you madam chairman. Just a point of order. If I heard correctly I heard your board approve the agenda for the March 11th meeting. And I think you needed to approve the agenda for tonight's meeting. Yeah, I misspoke. That should have been for the uh April today for today for April 8. Thank you. Well, you know, to Eric just to be human, but to really screw it up, you
012got the computer involved. Okay. Could you address your questions now to uh I so I I hope it that that explanation regarding the zoning enabling act u would would address the concerns. Uh I'm again I can say we are not changing any of the land area uh as far as uh density or increase of density. This is exactly what the zoning enabling act allows us and requires us to do. So that's all we were doing. Okay. Then this is closed for the uh a the article 4.49. Then we'll open article 4 water wells septic and wastewater systems. This is new 4.48. There's time and time is 6:12. Nobody on the Bill I heard I just want to make sure I'm clear. This does not affect existing systems. It does not. So existing systems can remain
013correct. It's only for new systems. Could you help me understand why the board is considering this item? Um, there are a number of considerations. Primarily, one is health code standards for the Oakland County Health Department. Another is that a number of these systems across the state uh when they are built to serve a community and that community no longer supports that system meaning there's a good example in uh Mundy Graham Lake Township border uh where they built uh a number of condos and put in a community septic system and that community is now choosing to not pay into the coffers anymore to keep that system operational and up to when it's in need of repairs, that is going to come back to the township to take over responsibility through that through the Michigan Department of
014Environment, Great Lakes, and Energy. Therefore, um given that, it is our our belief that it is in the best interest of the township to keep these systems, one system per one lot, one well per one lot. Therefore, it doesn't have the chance to fall into disrepair or failure. Anybody else with a question or statement here? I'm waiting for those welcome and I'm sorry, but you said this does not this is not on current systems. it it's then it's going forward from this point. Okay. So, will the language be changed to make Copper Hills Estates exempt from this in the language including increased flow and and the PUDS? I don't believe it needs to. Uh there's no there's nothing in this that would one affect or impact a change in the consent order that that established
015that unless it was ordered by a judge. Uh therefore therefore this ordinance uh will not impact that. Secondly, uh this is something like was stated by the chair is only going forward for new systems and new developments, not those that are already approved or in place. Okay. All right. I just know it said about increased flow and we correct but this will not impact the consent order that was prepared by the judge that's in effect through the judge and and this is not a subject increased flow for our plant would not be an issue. No, that's an approved site and it's under the consent order. Okay. Thank you. Okay, John Fri's 1440 schools. Um my question is um regards to what she's just uh asked you. What would be the case if they found that
016the Copper Hills sewage treatment plant didn't accommodate the lots that it wasn't built up to standard? Would they be allowed to expand that sewage treatment plant even though it's been this way for 30 years? I have no idea quite honestly. speak to that. I I just said I can't speak to that. Th those plants are regulated by the health department, by the department of environment, Great Lake and Energy. um they would all have to be uh any plans for growth or change that that's in compliance with the consent order would have to be reviewed by the all all approving agencies uh including the state the county. So therefore that's not part of this. Is it what you're proposing that that a sewage treatment plant cannot be expanded? Their facility is under a legal consent order
017from a judge and it's been approved through site plan last year. We can't go back and forth on that one. That consent order was is a legal document that was Is this a second consent order? I don't know. I would have to defer to the township's attorney for for those questions. I was just wondering if it was a consent order that you guys agreed to behind closed doors that nobody knew about. Is that correct? Not that I'm aware of. No, there's a consent charger order that was put in place that was I mean what I'm trying to get at was this a recent consent order or 30 years ago? No, I'm not sure when the consent was, but I'd have to defer to the township attorney. If I understood Wayne Hodgees again, I'm kind of
018like a bad penny. Uh I understand this would apply to multiple family dwellings. Would this also apply to business developments? Um, it is intended to apply to allowing multiple units to utilize a community system that is not a public system operated and maintained by the township. That is that is our intent and that goes for for all uses. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. So, we're going to close at 6:18 and move on to excuse me section C which is a schedule article 24 schedule of regulations and amend section 24.01B 01B also 24.01 C and 24.0 1H next line and it should be chair madam chair letter P as well ND no P oh I can see that 24.0 P. I'm sorry. Is there anything you'd like to explain about this one? This is just again
019a change to the table of regulations to accommodate the new language prohibiting community systems. Okay. Anybody want to speak on that? Just I did. 618. That's when we close. Anybody? Okay. Well, then we'll close this at 6:20 and go to D, which is article 25, the PUD. Going to just delete it and list as reserved. It's just a repeal. Yeah, there is no need for it. What's a PUD? Planned unit development. So, going back to again the zoning enabling act that you had asked the question about, the zoning enabling act does require us to have an open space preservation clause in our ordinance. It does not require the planned unit development which is the tool again that allows for increased densities, smaller lot sizes and other considerations where a typical uh exchange for some unique
020characteristics of that development would make sense to the community. That's what we're repealing. Thank you. Just one quick question relative to article 4. Um I'm backing up one. I apologize for that. Uh water, well, septic and waste uh systems. Um what are the implications? Um if in fact in the development I live in oh 889 hemlockk um ox or oxford copper hills phase one um what are the implications of um the single family site condo 15 residential units that are on a community septic right now. Should there be any issues moving forward with the community septic? It's being monitored currently. It's running fine. Everything's great. What impact does article 4 have on if there were to be a problem with our community subject? A failure. It's this this ordinance isn't for a failure. That would
021be handled through uh the agencies. Okay. So, so existing is exempt as well. Thank you. Okay. I'm going to What time is it? 622 close the uh article 25 to the PUB and we will take all these to be tabled until our next meeting and we'll go over them. We were just gather information. Is there anything else we need to say about that? Mhm. Could I still make a comment? Yes, sir. You know that the septic field that Dean Act is referring to was put in there as a temporary field when they did construction. At the completion of that phase of the construction, that community field was to be hooked onto the sewage treatment plant, which never happened for some reason. I went to all these meetings and that was going to happen when they
022built the last house in that phase. So now if that septic system goes down, will they be required to hook in the sewage treatment plant being that that field was only temporary? That's a good question. Thank you. I I I I it's it's it's been legislation and judgments and I I really can't comment on that. I don't really don't know. So, well, we'll move on to the next which is the election of the chair. Madam Chair, just for the meeting minutes, for the record, could I have somebody make a motion due to the rules of I'm sorry, I forgot that due to the rules of the bylaws to request a table to the next meeting? Yeah, I'm sorry. Forgot that. I request that we table um items uh 2A through 2D for uh to the
023next meeting to allow for a month after the public hearing. Secret I'll second it. Mark it. I didn't hear it. Turn up the hearing aids. Okay, then. So, it will be tabled until next month's meeting. How many in favor in that? I I Okay. All right. So let's do the closes our public hearing. So do you want to uh we have nominate a chair? I would like to nominate Joel King for chair. Anybody else? Would Joel King accept? I would. Okay. Then let's put it to a vote then. I recommend a roll call vote. Yep. I am secretary. Uh Vice Chair Benz. Yes. Secretary Lundy. Yes. Jenny Miller. Jenny Eller. Sorry. Yes. Mark Smith. Yes. Joel King. Yes. Okay then. Madam Chair. Point of order. I didn't catch you. Second that Mark. Okay. Do you
024want to start now? Why not? Moving on in our agenda, the next uh item is a public forum. This is an opportunity for uh any members of the public to address any particular issue they would like to hear that have the uh planning commission hear about. Again, uh it's a chance for us to listen to you uh but not typically get involved with an exchange. Does anybody any members of the public like to uh uh approach the podium and also address the board on any matters that they haven't had the opportunity to sound off on already? Okay, that was uh that public forum was opened at uh 6:26 and we'll now close the public forum at 6:27. Move on to the next item on the agenda which is the commissioner's reports. Does any any member
025have any additional reports from any other commissions? No. Okay. In that case, we can entertain movements to adjurnn. I move to adjurnn. I'll second it. All in favor? I I motion passed. The meeting is adjourned at 6:27.