001Yeah, he's been driving since. >> Thank you, Sarah, for helping out. >> And Mrs. B. >> Oh, thank you. >> She She helped cuz she felt bad that I could do all this by myself. >> We're close to time. Cole's going to be here. So, I don't know if he's going to come. >> Did you ladies give the other ones? >> What about me? Is she >> She will be here. Okay. >> Can't make it till the 15th. >> Oh, okay. That's right. >> When did she say that? The other. >> That's right. I forgot about that. >> That's cool. I see. Say you see him. >> Yeah, I just saw him come in the door. >> I think it was going to be a like a car hurt or whatever. Good. >> Huh? >>
002You guys ready to roll? >> Yeah. >> Okay, whenever you're ready. >> No, no, no, it's fine. like to call the meeting to order. We'll start with roll call. Sarah >> here. >> Jade >> here. >> Cole >> here. >> Marge >> here. Susan is here. Uh let's rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. Can I get approval of the agenda? >> Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? Any discussion? Agenda is approved. No old business. We'll move on to new business. 3.01, budget update. >> Madame Chair, I'm excited about this afternoon's meeting because uh the district office, myself, um
003and our business manager from CISO Janetta. You're probably recognizing the background. She's at a coffee house in Paris, France. Okay, just in case anybody's wondering. Okay, it's not Paris, France, but it looks very nice and and welcoming. So, um I think you've all met Janetta. Um we've been working very hard this week as a district office and Janetta. Um Janetta, would you like to start, please? >> Sure. I wish I was in Paris right now. That'd be sweet. All right. Um I believe Randy gave you guys all some handouts to take a look at while I go through all of this. Um can you guys hear me? Okay. >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. Um, as everybody has made aware recently, we have a $1.46 million gap that we must reduce expenses or find sustainable revenue
004to help fill that gap by the end of fiscal year 27. Um, just kind of a reminder, excuse me, that gap only includes the unreserved funds which are truly able to cover our operating costs. they're not tied to any um legislative restrictions or anything like that. Should the state stop any payments for a period of time or if we have unexpected large costs. Um so tonight is about giving kind of real choices and tradeoffs. We're not looking for a single proposed proposal on budget cuts just yet. >> Janetta, can I interrupt for a sec? >> Sure. I don't know if everybody's met Sue Clemen. Uh, she's on there right now. You maybe want to introduce her, Janetta? Hi, Sue. >> Hi. >> Yes. So, Sue is kind of my partner in crime here at CISO.
005She helps me out with um LPA doing various various duties. >> Hello everybody. >> Hello. Nice to meet you. >> Nice to see you soon. >> Thanks. All right. So, taking a look at we're just going to go over the budget um a little bit more. So, the current year working budget has a deficit of 847,315 and the projected fiscal year 27 budget is showing the 1.46 million deficit. So, I want to take some time to go over where some of that money is coming from and how some of that money is being spent in the budget as a whole, so you get kind of a clear picture of what is happening. Um, so that first spot on the handout shows the state sources. We have 80.7%. So most school districts rely heavily on state
006funding and it's primarily based off of your student counts or your ADMs with the average revenue per student being around 12,000 or more depending on whether or not it's a special needs student, what your lowinccome concentration is. So that number can be higher near 20,000 or more per student. So your student enrollment is crucial to your state aids. Then we have the local levy. um your percentage is 3 13.6% which is relatively low. Your state average is around 20% to the lower 30% range. >> So Janet I have a quick question regarding that. >> Yeah. >> Everybody sees what page we're on, right? We're on this one right here. Janetta, >> just in general the >> Oh, yes. The revenues. Yep. >> You'll be able to see on the revenue that um by source. So
007approximately 13.6 six rounded up to 14% comes from our local ready our local taxpayers, right? >> Yes. >> And um what did you say the average was in the state? >> 20 to 30%. >> I know. >> 20 to 30%. Huh. >> Yep. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. Um, and then moving down to federal source, excuse me, federal sources, it's 1.4% of your revenue. And then local sources and other sources are 4.3%. So that's like your donations or any other miscellaneous revenue that you might receive. Next, we talk about where your money goes, and we're going to be looking by object. Um so your salaries and benefits makes up 79.5% of your expenses which this is average for most districts. Um they are the largest expense in the budget. Then we have purchase services.
008They are at 11.5%. This is also average as most district districts see around that 11% of purchase services. Um, and in here includes your special ed. And then supplies were at 4.9% and equipment and dues were only at 4.1%. So keep in mind that these are percentages of your total budgeted expenses. So these numbers are about average for most school districts. So what this means is the deficit is not primarily caused by overspending on any one category telling us that your budget is fairly balanced overall. Then we take a look by program code where your expenses are going. So your regular instruction is at 38%. Special ed is at 14%. Then you have your pupil support services at 12%. Community education at 5%, instructional support 5%, administration is at nine, sites and building is at
009nine, and then transportation and others only at 8%. So when we're looking at our expenses by program code, that breakdown again is very, very close to your averages by program code as well. Um, so what we can say about this breakdown is that your school cares about your student instruction with most of your expenses going into that student instruction. Um, so taking a look at that fund balance position. So your unreserved fund balance at the end of fiscal year 25 was 495,000 or 5.78% of your expenditures. Looking forward, um, the estimated unreserved fund balance for fiscal year 26 is a negative 226,000, which that puts us at a -2.61% of expenditures, which would put you into SOD at the end of this year. Then we look at fiscal year 27. The estimated unreserved fund balance
010is negative948,988 or -10.91% of expenditures. So this would be year two in SOD. Um if we wanted to look at fiscal year 28, that would be your year three in SOD, which is when the state would potentially come in and start making cuts for you. Um, so while your expenditures seem well balanced by the object and program codes compared to your state averages, the deficit can mean one thing. We're just not getting enough revenue to cover our expenses, which is true due to the declining enrollment over the past few years and no direct reductions in the budget. We've had inaccurate enrollment projections causing adjustments in aid. And then we can also look at that levy amount which is pretty com pretty pretty low compared to your state averages. So that's due to a lack of
011operating referendum which most other districts have. Um and then at the bottom of that first handout if we do nothing this just kind of gives you a if we really don't want to do anything right now here's what might happen. So by fiscal year 27 we'd have that 1.6 6 million gap and then we go to fiscal year 28 that gaps get gets bigger to 1.7 million and then fiscal year 29 that gap gets even more bigger to a 2.05 million. So we just need to make sure that whatever we decide it has to be sustainable because that hole is going to get bigger and bigger every year if nothing is done about it and it's not a sustainable cut. Um, so with all of that in mind, where do we go from here? So,
012we're moving forward into trying to build a more sustainable budget. Okay, we have a couple different budget styles we can work through. Um, we can build a zerobased budget where we clear everything out to zero and only add back what is needed. This is a full scale analysis of every line item within the budget. Um, we can do a percentage cut programwide, ask every area to cut a certain percentage within their program and kind of spread that blow evenly. We can do a little bit of a combination of both. We can, you know, cut certain percentages of staff and zero everything else out. >> Um, sorry, real quick. We have a question from one of our board members, Sarah. >> Go ahead, Sarah. >> Sorry. I actually have two questions for you, and it's just
013for clarification. When you say the state average, do you mean the state average for Minnesota or the state like national state average? >> No, state average for Minnesota. >> Okay. And then can you clarify just for me because I am unsure what the pupil support services entails? >> Um the pupil support would be like your nurses, your counselors and stuff like that. >> Thank you. >> Yep. >> Thank you, Janetta. Any other questions, board members at this time or anybody? >> Okay, thank you. Keep going, please. >> Okay. Um, the the last budget item was to create budget redu reductions based on specific cuts outlined while maintaining all of the other expenses. So, with all of that in mind, I wanted to take a moment for you guys to look through that menu of reduction
014or revenue options on that first handout and just take some time to discuss as a board where you would like us to prioritize some of that um spending or reductions. And out of this conversation, we'll start to build out some different budget scenarios for you to review in the upcoming months. Um, and then when we're looking at the menu on the handout, these are not exact LPA numbers. These are just some examples um to get the conversation going and they're they're rough estimates of money that can be saved. If you have any other suggestions that are not listed on the menu, please let us know. Um, and then later on down the road, we'll get into more specific with cost savings on each item and option that we want to explore as a district. So,
015schoolboard members, thank you very much. Um, so Janetta, we this is an opportunity for us to kind for the board to kind of discuss some of these scenarios. Remember, nothing's set in stone. These are just some ideas that we've talked about. Um, correct. You want the board to discuss right now a little bit, right, Janetta? >> Yes. >> Okay, >> sounds good. Uh do you guys want to start at looking at the staffing? We have the nutrition classroom and admin administration configurations. >> And just so just madam chair just so everybody knows there could be other possibilities underneath staffing or underneath extracurricular. These are just some examples right and this is all tra starting to brainstorm so that our district office can continue to work with CISO as we progress through that budget timeline. I
016think you're going to talk touch base pace a little bit on that Janetta as well the January and February budget timeline as well. >> Yes. Yep. >> Thank you. >> Well, when we look at our staffing, I think the first thing we'll have to consider is our classroom sizes. So, I know when I was in a budget meeting when I first became board chair, they said about when as we've lost students, we haven't trimmed down our teachers. So, if we look at the elementary and we figure out our class enrollment per grade and look at some cutting some stuff there. Do we have numbers to look at? I mean, what are student ratios, teachers? >> Yeah. Um, the principles have been doing a very nice job, I would say, within the last 3 to four
017weeks, um, talking about numbers. So, they've given me all that information. I've compi, we've compiled that information to look at that. So, yes, we do, Sarah. And that'll be a discussion down the road um to have more specific answers to those questions. Do you think with our student enrollment per grade instead of three teachers we could easily move to two or it would be too big a classroom sizes? >> We'd have to look at each grade individually. >> Yeah. I don't know to be honest with you. I don't know if I want to talk specifically about that right now. And I if the board wants to that's fine. >> They just said staffing. >> Yeah staffing. But yes, you know I think Mr. Johnson, Mrs. And teachers would say, you know, every grade is different,
018right? >> It depends on the makeup of the grade. Is there 60 kids? Is there 36? You know, what kind of uh we want to make sure that we educate all students, you know, what kind of do we have uh a number of special needs students? Do we have ELLL, English language learners, you know, so those um and there is no magic number, right? >> And then some grades will have higher higher enrollment. So then, correct. I know uh Jade and our daughter, >> Jade's daughter, and my daughter, we went through this year. >> Uh no, when they were younger, uh they always had three teachers in that class and then >> two in the others, but they had higher enrollment in their grades. >> Well, and when we talk about the elementary grades and
019specifically, I think Mr. Johnson's done a very nice job of giving me the information on the classroom sizes. And um so yes, you know, I I think that's consideration that we need to look at is classroom sizes. You know, people are going to say, "Well, I want my child in a small classroom. You know, not with many students." I get that. It's probably, to be honest, not the most fiscally responsible thing to do as a district. But those are some things we need to talk about staffing. And quite honestly, Janetta and I, we put admin configurations down as well, too. You know I I've said that you have to look at the superintendent the principles any type of leaders that are part of their area and I also said that you know if the if
020we need to look at the superintendent's position or whatever we might be so you can't cut my personal opinion you can't cut teachers without looking at administration >> just like you can't cut >> fine arts without looking at athletics. No, you need to look at everything as a whole. >> Correct. Raet and Sue is would you say that? >> For sure. Especially at least looking at them and seeing what you can do. Yes. I >> mean based on the categories obviously our biggest impact is staffing. >> Correct. >> I mean that I mean looking at the numbers that's obviously where we have to start. So we need a right size. Question for you on the revenue side of it. We're only like 14% as a taxation. You have 800 to a million dollars. What what
021what sort of an increase are we looking at it to enable to increase that amount of revenue? >> Does that get you closer to the average state of the 20 to 30% then or >> did you both ladies hear that question from our schoolboard member Jade? So, he's talking about the revenue category on the menu, the 800 to a million. Um, so a big portion of that would come from like your increasing of your student enrollment option. Um, because keep in mind like if you just as an estimate if you had 80 students come in right there is 800,000 in revenue. So, I mean it really it's it's kind of a broad it's a it's a big gap, but most of it relies on like your student enrollment option. Um the voter levy option would
022be like your um operating referendum and we'd have to look into that to see what you could get out of that for sure. >> Any idea if we were to do an increase to get it to the state low-end average of 20% a 6% increase do you know what that would mean in revenue for us? >> That's a good question. >> Um that is a good question. I would have to do some digging for that. Okay, >> Jade, is that okay if we get I'll get back to the school board on that that answer. Janette, you and I can communicate about that in the near future, please. >> And we can have elders run some um you know, a tax impact impacts per what am whatever amount dollar amount per pupil unit is decided or
023so you can see some scenarios on that >> and you're all familiar with Elder Rate. go ahead and tell me about it. >> Okay. They're the um financial I guess backbone of school districts. >> So that if you if we were to go for an operating referendum and say I don't know, it's $500 per pupil unit, they could um figure out how much would the tax impact be on like $150,000 home, a $300,000 home and businesses. Is that correct in a nutshell, Sue? >> That is correct. >> Okay. Thank you. If we were to look at a operating referendum, when would be I know there's different times in the year and I know we don't want to touch on election time, but would we be looking at spring or next fall? >> Well, remember I
024had a handout. This is my personal take on this, right? Um, and people are going to disagree with me. That's fine. But my personal take is I don't think we can ask for a referendum this year. The latest we could do this year coming up, correct me if I'm wrong, Sue Janetta, it would be November during the governor election. Before that would be August. Remember, there's five time periods and when we have an operating referendum, there's certain a lot of requirements like 30, 60, 90 days before that vote. Thoughts Janetta and Sue on that? Yeah, it would be impossible to do it for this year, but very possible for November next year. I know that's a midyear. >> Yes. >> Um, a vote, but >> Yeah. And to be honest with you, from what I'm
025the few people that I've talked to about this, I don't think it would pass until we rightsize the district. >> I'm just going to say that right now. I'll probably get some heat for that. That's fine. I don't think it'll pass until we rightsize the district and make some improvements. Absolutely. That's my take. >> Agreed. >> And when we went through the last referendum, we had that voice to us. So, yeah. >> Yep. >> But then maybe it's something after we rightsize we could look into it in 2028. >> Yes. Right Sue and Janetta? >> Yeah, that's a good idea. Do you recall what your last referend or operating referendum amount was per pupil unit? >> Do you remember that? That's okay if you don't recall. >> I don't recall it off hand. >> I
026can look it up. So, >> okay. Thank you. the category of tech and supplies >> 196 >> between 120 and 140 savings >> is that we really think we can I feel like over the years we've been really lean on classrooms already to eliminate more supplies or try to get I mean is that even a attainable number >> or do we have opportunity to do centralized purchasing more so than what we have been or >> classroom I would I mean I'd be cutting. Our classrooms are running on bare minimum. >> That's kind of what I was feeling. So, I mean, out of the categories, the tech and supply, I kind of question whether or not that we can even take that in consideration as a potential cut. >> Technology might be a different >> Well,
027I've talked to John about technology to be honest with you. And you know, here's an example. I'm transparent. You know, you all know that. Talked to John, I don't know, last week, the week before. And John does a really good job for our district as a technology person. He's built buildings, blah blah blah. Here's something that I found out. Um, we have a, correct me if I'm wrong, John, for example, we have a Chromebook for every single student in our district. >> You're wrong. You're right. >> Yeah, we are a one to one district. >> We're a one to one district. However, for example, if you have three classrooms of kindergarten, in my personal opinion, you don't need a Chromebook for every single kindergartener. You could use a cart. the districts I've been associated with,
028not saying I'm the right answer, is we have a cart for kindergarten, we have a cart for first grade, we have a cart for second grade, and then around third grade, fourth grade is when they start to do that. Now, Mr. Johnson, Mrs. Z, teachers might disagree with me, but that's something that John and I just talked about. Plus, in this district, we have a three-year turnaround, right, John? >> Yeah, I do a three-year lease. >> Three-year lease. Some school districts that I've been associated with do a four or fiveyear lease. I know that's a problem, but um so I was thinking more of the technology, right? >> We are strapped low on classroom supplies in my personal opinion. As a matter of fact, I just got an email today from a middle school high
029school teacher asking about some supplies for a project coming up. So yes, Janette or Sue, is there anything you want to add to that? >> I have something, Dr. B. >> Oh yeah, it's cool. Please do. >> To answer their question, in 2023, the last uh referendum it was 450,000 um for 10 years uh voted down 5644. That was a $610 per pupil. >> Thank you. Thank you, Cole. Did you hear that? >> Thank you. What year was that? >> 2023. >> Thank you. >> That was fall. >> Yeah. >> What was it? 6 How much was that per pupil? >> 610. >> I have a question. Uh, which age does the classrooms do the kids start taking the computers home at night to submit assignments? >> Mr. Green, >> Mr. Johnson, Mrs. Z, do
030you know that >> elementary doesn't at all? >> We don't take those home. >> Nope. >> No, >> they do not. 9th through 12th grade. >> Just 9 through 12. Everything else >> 9th through 12th. They don't. >> Yeah. And the reason reason I think third grade has to start every game. >> Yeah. Right. Absolutely. That's why I said third grade, fourth grade. Um that's a good question though. Where you can ask where you're going. >> Yes. Because I heard that uh I just recently got to know a Holly student better and they don't take their Chromebooks home. They have them in the school. So if they weren't to end, the whole point of it would be that if a kid would if they need to this kid had a computer at home to do
031his work. Well, we wouldn't want to not have our kids to have a computer do because not every kid's going to have a computer at home or you know, but if they were if they weren't taking home, we could have somewhat of a shared computer at school, >> right? And to be honest with you, I don't know if I'd be a proponent of sending Chromebooks home for certain grades because I mean, you get on the bus, something's going to get damaged, you know, >> and they're young and, you know, not saying negative about the kids, but it's just a fact of life. >> But we could possibly cut some funds there because say all of a sudden those kids are used or classroom. Maybe there's not I don't possibility of some cuts in technology there.
032>> John, would you you and I talked about that. Where are we at with that that lease for those? Remember we talked about that. Please >> brand new. >> Yeah. Our soon the lease that's ending the soonest still has two years left on it. >> Okay. >> We're in year two of three. So >> how about next year? >> And soon. Janetta, what about the It starts with an E uh >> rate. >> Eate. >> Where are we at with that? Are we going to be able to get some rate funding? Right. I know that. >> Yeah, we got about 30 grand coming back. Okay. Other stuff. And um that's for some network equipment that we purchased this last year, this last cycle. And then um it also goes to offset our the cost of
033our internet. >> Correct. >> There too. So >> does that answer? >> Yes. >> Hopefully. Just a side note on that rate there. There are it's a program left over from 1980 something or other. So a lot of the wording in there is pretty >> outdated >> dated. Um so there's a lot of movement to try to restructure that. So hopefully that maybe it can be >> spread its wings a little bit. It's pretty narrow gap that what it can be used on. So >> hopefully that's something that'll happen in the next five, six years. >> Thank you. >> I'm sorry I missed the beginning. of the uh what we were talking about. But where did I hear that you don't have to go for the full amount of uh cuts? Was that our last
034meeting? >> Yeah, we per million you can go. Have we decided that? >> No. I think one of the the question that our board member Marge is asking I mean in reality we we should try to get 1.467 467 million in cuts. But >> but you don't have >> we don't really have say we only go 1.25, right? But the problem is, and I know Janetta, you and I talked about this, the following year, correct me if I'm wrong, which we're still going to make up from the levy adjustments, we're probably looking at $200 to $400,000, just a guesstimate of the following year in potential cuts. Correct. >> Am I right on that? >> Correct. Yep. You're right. >> So, if we go one $1 million in cuts, which you know the board can do
035that, >> right? That's what >> then you're adding, >> but it just tax on to the following year. >> Correct. Yes. >> So, we're just delaying the inevitable. >> Correct. Keeps compounding on. Yeah. That money will keep compounding. Yeah. Correct. Janette and Sue. Money will just keep compounding. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> So, so I'm just asking, are we going for the full amount of cuts? I think we have to decide. >> We got to go through it and see where we're at. And >> that's what we can do. >> Nobody knows. I mean, no, >> that's where we're at. Trying to understand where we're at and what we need to. >> No, but you want us you want to try to cut 1.4 million. >> 1.46. >> Yeah. >> Well, we're 146 short. I
036mean, >> Right. Right. I'm saying >> responsible owner. I think that board I mean we need to figure out >> I mean I kind of assumed that's what we were going to look at but you know you're the board you're my boss you're our boss you know that's something to look at and >> and again I just I just wanted to clarify it you know just because >> I guess to be fair to the taxpayers in there I think we need to flip every rock over to find what we can find to get as lean as we possibly can and then when we go to the taxpayers they know we did our part and then I believe we will get their support. But until we do that, we're just practicing like Yeah. I I have
037a I mean, you said that um is it impossible to do a U voter levy this year or is that just not recommended? >> We have 5% to sway. I mean from the last failed referendum that was 2023 >> co if we were >> it's not like we're looking at a >> right >> 12 12% plus >> because it was so close you mean the last time 10 >> it was it was it was five it was 4%. >> So that's that's my question is is it is it impossible to do a referendum or to do a voter levy? No, I saw this but is it they said that it's it would be impossible to do anything for this year. I think what S Sue maybe mentioned is there's some dates that we can't do.
038I think if we were to look at one, we'd probably have to look at August or November. Correct. >> But not in the spring. >> Well, you could in the spring, but I feel that if we're going to have to be making cuts in the spring and um the one >> to show our progress. >> I think we have to show our progress. I think that Let me ask you this question. All right, Janetta and Sue. I'm going to get back to you, CL. I promise. >> I'll get to where I'm coming from in a minute. Okay, you go ahead. >> Sure. Thanks. Um, if we did an operating referendum in August or November, because it's after July 1st of 2026, when would we be able to see that money? Would that be different than
039if we did an operating referendum in the spring before June 30th, 2026? Do you know what I'm asking? Well, the payable taxes for 26 are for 20 fiscal year 27. So, and that that would already be happening. So, it would be if you went in the fall of 26, it would >> come the next year, right? >> It' come the next year, right? >> Right. It would come right away that next April or >> Yeah. I don't know if call if that answered >> April of 207. So anything this spring is up that's >> well we can >> here's why I asked because there's no from when this failed you know by four points or 4% in 23 end of 23 there the information wasn't out there that is out there right now and I'm
040okay with the no vote if if it's if if it's if that's their vote that's their vote. Um, but I mean I think if that if that saves some cuts, if that saved, you know, some work on I don't want to say work, but >> is that is that is that is that bad? Is that is that wrong to go? >> I think that it's bad, but I think our cuts are going to come before the deadline to make that vote happen in the spring. Does that make sense? Yeah. So, our cut has to happen before the deadline of us turning in this to be voted on. >> So, your experience, Janetta and Sue, okay, I know we've talked about this, Janetta, you and I have a number of times. We could go out in
041November, but it is a big election, right? We could go out in August, but then people are going to say, well, the people are going to vote from the Lakes area, blah blah blah, everything else. Is there a possibility? Let's just say we could do something this spring. What's the one before August? Is it April? >> May. May. May. Could we do one in May towards the end of the school year? I know we would have to probably get a reduction in a row and get going on that because of the timeline. Is that kind of what you're thinking, Cole? May. >> Yeah. I mean, I I understand what we're saying. Like obviously people need to be be let know sooner than that, but >> I'm I'm just trying to look at a way that
042>> if the public now has this new information that might that might sway the 4% 5% swing. >> If we did one in May and say it got approved, would it still be April of 27 till we seen the funds? >> Correct. >> Yes, that's correct. Any thoughts on and please be honest soon and Janetta um any thoughts on a referendum in this spring or August or November? >> Um just from like personal experience over the last um year with other districts doing operating referendums, especially when you're trying to make budget cuts and the community is seeing that your budget is in a hard spot. that's not always their yes, I want to approve an operating referendum for you. Sometimes they're looking at it as well, what are you wasting your money on type of
043a thing. Um, so I would agree with the comments of I think we need to rightsize the district before going out for an operating referendum because I think at that point you're going to have a better chance of them wanting to approve it because they're seeing that you're doing that action and you're not just wasting the money. Thank you. Janetta >> Cole, are you thinking though? I mean, even even if we try to do it this spring, there should be momentum of what's happening and what we have started to do. >> I would I would hope so. Yeah. >> You're thinking that people would be hearing that we have >> I mean, if if we're in the situation of need and revenue, I don't know what the why we would wait >> any longer. >>
044Yeah. You can always We can always Is it Does it cost us money? I mean, >> yeah, I was just going to ask it cost like so it fails in it fails in May. You go back in November or January whenever the next I'm just thinking back to 200 whatever from the early 2000s to 2010 when we failed six in a row and finally on the seventh one we we landed. But >> um >> do we know what the cost to run? Well, I think it depends on if you hire an additional company to come in and make the brochures and everything like that. When we went for that >> the last operating rep and we did a lot of it on our own. >> Yeah. I'd rather I don't want to h to be
045honest. I don't want to hire a company to come in. There's a lot of companies out there and Sue and Janetta might disagree with me. I don't want to have a company come in and do a survey. There's a lot of companies out there will call people in the community and say, "Hey, do you think you vote yes or no for the referend?" I don't I don't think I've never been a big fan of that. >> Can we just do a tonal? Yeah. >> I mean, we did. >> We plan on doing town hall meetings for the budget timeline, >> right? Soon. Any thoughts soon, Jenna? >> Yeah. Yeah. I think if you can get a good message out, you know, by the time and decide what you're going to do as far as staffing
046by April. Um, I mean, you may be able to send that message out that you're really doing what you can do to reduce, but you still need revenue to make it work. I mean even if we went out in August still ain't going to impact us whether we went out August no matter where we got to be April 27 before we get the revenue receive revenue >> I don't know from when I walked in the room and I was pretty chipper about it and okay here we go and it was it was a tough crowd I think we'd have better luck right sizing but I'm very optimistic so I think it also gives us a longer opportunity to get this information out and again to kind of prove what we're doing on our end >>
047to try and write things before asking the community to try and write them for us. >> Well, say we did go out in August. I mean, we're going to have done what we have done. >> We are. >> So, the only thing it would do it would it would bring revenue in a year earlier. >> Yeah. >> And and that that is a good point. wouldn't bring revenue in an entire year, but because we are going to do what we're going to do. >> I mean, so on behalf of what you're thinking, I I more it does start to make some sense. >> It'd be great if it passed and we could have a different op different operating scenario on April 27th. Sue, Janetta, and Susie. Any Oh, what? >> Yeah, we're just talking about
048the last We're >> Well, >> yeah. Sorry. >> I don't know what you're talking about. I suspect I know what you're talking about. We're going to market it different. >> Yeah, >> we're going to mark We would market the referendum >> um >> differently than last time. >> Correct. >> Operating. >> I'm not saying they negative about the last referendum, >> but I think we there are certain correct me if I'm wrong, Janetta Sue. Isn't there usually certain verb verbiage for when you say go out for an operating referendum to for like you know >> for the ballot ballot? >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. >> And then >> Right. >> Yeah. So yes, we try to market >> what can I ask what how was it last time? I mean how was it uh marketed?
049>> Is there was there >> um higher higher teacher pay higher Yes. And I I'll be honest, I had met some parents at different things this summer, for example, and they said they would have voted had it not would have voted yes had it not said something about higher teacher pay. And I hate to say it. I've talked to the union about that as well. Um I don't personally think well I I we go for an opportunity. That's not what I'm going to how I would market that. Just so everybody knows, I'm not trying to be negative about it. Um, I have a lot of thoughts on the >> situation is very different. >> How much does it cost to operate to get an operating referendum? >> Well, if you have it during the November
050or general election, it doesn't cost much at all. Maybe maybe just the cost to the county for the ballot printing or something and maybe Yeah, but if you'll have election judges if you have to do Julia on the other dates. I'm not sure. >> Well, we have Sue. We have a very good election person here in the district that helped us out with uh the last election. So, we've got somebody good here. >> Oh, good. That helps. Can I throw out a couple things, board members? >> Yes, please. >> I I I want to feel like I I need to say this. Um I will do whatever the board wants us wants me to do regarding an operating referendum. Here's some thoughts I have. When this information gets out that we're 1.467 million in cuts,
051people are going to be upset, right? They're going to be upset. Community members are going to be upset. That's just my gut instinct. And I'm concerned. I do like the concept of trying to rightsize a district before you go for an operating referendum. However, if you go in May or August, you've already made January, February, March, and April gains towards making those cuts, right? So, I'd be if that's the direction, I'll work really hard. I do have some concern right now in the state of Minnesota and I don't want to sound political because I hate politics. There is a lot of dissension between the political parties in Minnesota right now and our state is under a microscope for fraudulent activity. Whether you agree with that or not, it's in the news every single day. So
052we do have, you know, the legislative session coming up starting this next four or five months which will help determine the next two years. Correct, Sue and Janetta? The next they will come up for the next two years. >> Yeah. >> So I just want to throw that out there. I think it's important that if we go for an operating referendum, we have to look that we're at least trying to rightsize our district. Just want to throw that out there. I mean, if we did go, as Cole is saying, this year, I mean, we're going to be in the hot of I mean, we're not going to transition. I mean, we're still going to right size and it's going to be it's going to be out there. I mean, is that our best advertising being
053it it's hot, it's live, it's now, and that's why we would be asking for it because we've done all this. It's still in enough. I mean, would that not give us the maybe the biggest impact, biggest advertisement we can have? mean to share the work we've done. >> I mean, it's going to be going on simultaneously. The cuts are going to be done. >> They're going to be passed us and months later that's when we'll ask for the levy. I mean, >> and you present it as an operating levy. >> You don't have to specify anything and operate to keep the school going. >> It's it's the >> Janetta, I want to ask this question and and you know, you and I have talked about this. Um, Su, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to leave
054trying to leave you out. Uh we had a meeting with the teachers and the staff a week and a half ago. We had every one of our board members there. Uh our goal, my goal as a superintendent of school board to be very transparent with our educational stakeholders, Janetta, if we don't do something, is it safe to say at some point, and you put down if we do nothing, the three-year gap projection, is it safe to say that this district could no longer be in existence or not? Well, I I think the state would come in before you are no longer in existence, >> right? >> Um the the point I would make with that is and we've talked about this before with the board, you know, do you want to be the one making
055the decisions on the cuts or do you want the state to come in and make those decisions for you? because fiscal year 26 is potentially going to be the first year that you land in SOD and then by the third year that's when the state is going to come in and they're going to start looking through everything and they're going to be the ones to tell you what you need to cut. So by fiscal year 27 if we decide we're not going to make any cuts, we're going to wait for the the referendum, which I agree with what you're talking about with the referendum. I think where you're going with that is is a good move. But if you hold off and don't make any cuts and hope that that's going to pass, now you're
056in year two. If that doesn't pass, now we're in year three and here comes the state. So, I think we've got to be proactive on making some reductions >> with these categories. Are there any other categories that we should be looking at potentially that you have experienced from other districts going through the same situation? Sue and Janetta, did you hear that question from our board member Jade? >> Yeah. >> Um, so these are kind of your primary categories. Um, we could look at pro program cutting, whether you look at some of your um your electives and stuff like that, but that's not going to bring you extra enrollment if you're hoping to gain more revenue. Um, you could look more into your transportation and see what that looks like. But I think it's just more
057of a we need to gather more information like what do you guys want us to prioritize? you know, looking at these categories. These example options aren't the only options. These are just examples for you. If you guys can, you know, just think about those categories and, you know, staffing. Do we want to decide we're going to try and retain as much staff and maybe cut something in technology? We just we need to figure out what you guys want us to prioritize so that you know in January when we're looking at the budget in more detail, we can come with a couple different scenarios for you to look at. Whether we cut the full 1.4 million or we decide to cut half of that in hopes we get a referendum. Those are the types of decisions
058that, you know, I think we need to figure out going into January >> with the right sizing. I think part of that is when we rightsize. I think we need to look that'll help us with our building facility rooms because right now we have things going on outside the school and we're paying for heat. We're paying for upkeep on those exterior facilities. If we can pull those programs back into the building. I mean again by right sizing that may help us eliminate some small minimal costs but yet it's >> you mean I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Why aren't they in the school? I mean, right now we I mean, if we're >> not right sized as far as staff, that told me we're not right sized as facilities. >> So, I mean, we need
059to better utilize our space in general to help cut minimal expenses, but every bit's a piece. So, >> Janette, I have a quick question. What are your thoughts? You don't have to get into detail or your experience working with schools that own their own buses and bus garages as opposed to having a company come in, buy all the buses, lease the bus garages out. I know it's a loaded question. I just thought about that. Do you have any thoughts on that? >> We just did that in Albany. Uh I think it was maybe two years ago. We sold all our fleet um on like a five-year contract for deed, so to speak. Um and contracted it. You know, I haven't seen what the results have been of that yet myself personally, but I can certainly
060kind of dig into it a little bit and find out how they're doing. Um the first year, you know, it's kind of you just don't know. And actually last year might have been our first year. I can't remember if it was last year. Yeah, I'm not sure which one, but yeah, that that is an option. And what we and we, you know, selling the fleet, they you know, you get you gain revenue that way, even though it's probably costing you. I know it's nice to have local control of your transportation also. So, it's just hard to know. >> The thing I would wonder if >> sorry, if we went that way is what would it cost to lease out? Because when we had uh all those presentations when we were struggling to get bus drivers,
061it was such a phenomenal amount. >> Right. >> Did we go out for an RFP request for proposal on that? >> I don't know if we went out for that. I know that we were down a couple bus drivers and we were really struggling to get people in or they would come in and then they would not follow through on the test or >> not pass the test. And >> don't quote me on what was it like $400 a day >> bucks a day >> per bus driver. >> Janette, you were going to say something. >> Um I was just going to say as far as contracting versus owning your own buses. Um, I worked at a district, one contracted and then I worked at another one where the other one had district owned and
062they were talking about just before I left about contracting. The one issue and I'm not sure if that would be the same where you are at is finding a contracted service in the area for buses um seemed to be the biggest issue, but it was a bit cheaper simply because they had older buses. there was constant maintenance and there was the breakdown and then they had to go and fix the breakdown and then like there's just a lot more hassle of owning your own bus. Um but I think it would all come down to what options you would have in your area. >> True. When when I was up in Lake Superior School District, which was two harbors in Silver Bay, we decided to go to four four day school week and saved quite a
063bit of money that way. But then you gotta you got to listen to your families too and see what they think of that. >> We do have uh I know what was there two March on the when we were getting taking bids on it. We had two companies that were bidding to do our transportation. >> So >> the 4day school week, how do we go about get pulling a number? What would that number look like? I mean there's >> Yeah. >> If I recall, Sherry, can you kind of was 190,000? >> 290,000 100 around 190,000. >> And that was just >> that was just hourly staffing, right? >> That was just staffing. That was not >> utilities, transportation, I think. >> Does that sound right, J? >> Just staffing. >> But then that also means
064less wear and tear on the facility and along I mean less traffic, >> less wear and tear on the buses. Yeah. And I would think with this large 1.46 million that we would not look be able to focus on any one of these categories that we would have to look at all of them. >> Correct. I believe so. >> But I don't think there's any one area we can focus. >> What was that, Sue? >> I'm sorry to interrupt, but um it's my husband's birthday and I really got to go because we got company coming over for supper. >> So sorry. Thanks a lot. Happy birthday to your husband. Hopefully your soup was good last night. >> No, that's tonight. Oh, okay. >> Thank you. >> Cole, what are you thinking? I see your wheels
065are spinning. >> No, I'm just taking them. >> Okay. >> So, we want to prioritize these categories. I mean, for the most part, I think they're in a pretty good order. I mean, I don't see any reason why we would adjust. Um, I I think you know the staffing, the extracurricular again, we're gonna we're gonna have to get creative. We're going to have to ask for those that volunteers. And I mean, it's going to be an intriguing. >> Do you know any of Pelican Rapids? >> Do I want >> know anyone at Pelican Rapids? >> I >> So, they've just came out last year. They ended they were at a 4-day school week for four I think they extended it. there at least five years and I'd just be curious to know what they're it
066seemed like they're doing fairly well now. I mean in terms of >> you know their student enrollment admin is growing. Um seemed like they've had some growth the last couple years and I'm just wondering what what that looks like them coming out of that 4 day. >> You know something Cole I I kind of know the superintendent there through different channels. I would promise I will reach out to him and get some information on his perspective of the 4 day a week and what kind of savings they had. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> You said they're coming out so they're back to five day now. >> They have been last year. I think they went back to five day was the first day >> but they were for a long time for a long time.
067>> So did they supply child care for the fifth day? >> Because I mean I we've talked about this before but most parents don't work four days a week. So that fifth day, especially for elementary school, we need to come up with some kind of option to have somewhere for these kids to go, >> right? And Sarah, to be honest with you, >> I think I'm I gave information on the 4day school week. >> I would really the biggest downfall of 4 day school weeks from my experience talking to people and with schools is the daycare aspect of it, right? But there's got to be an opportunity where there's some grants out there. I think and I'll work very we can work very hard on grants to maybe we have let's just say Monday is
068a day off like Belgrade Brutinar Rosa is also a 4 day a week I know those people very well down there I can check with them let's just say it's Monday maybe we have a program here in the elementary where you know we get people to come in and and monitor a daycare or whatever it might be for that particular day is that I mean >> I think you'd probably run into some licensing issues there being Um, but a while ago before we turned it into the three-year-old classroom, there was talk of putting a childcare center in there and uh, so I talked to my lens around and I said about it before because then say you have one room if you had multiple rooms or if you did maybe if you did it just
069as a school program, but if you run it as a child care, you have to follow the licensing hoops and you need multiple people and they'd have to come in with licenses. >> Yeah, >> I think that's my question. Sorry to interrupt you, Dr. Bquist. is that is it worth it if we're saving for easy money $1,000 a year, but it's going to cost us $750 to run this program. Is it really worth going down to four days to save $250? Well, you might be able to do it as say the program the whoever comes in uh shoot they're doing it in Detroit Lakes now in a I want to say it's Acumen or something at the so there somebody comes in and it's a licensed provider and they go in and they can use
070the space and but they uh they dictate how many people are how how many kids and stuff are in there but you might be able to do where the provider is responsible for a lot of that. >> And and just to let you know, when we did it in Lake Park years ago twice, that was not in the mix. We just the parents never said anything. They never brought it up that we want you to um help us take care of our child. It was just done. I'm not saying right or wrong. I'm just saying that never came up years ago. >> Can I ask how long ago that was? Like when you say years ago, was that 10? Was it 30? >> Uh probably easily 30. Yeah, >> I think now most houses have
071two parents that work or just one parent. And I think that we really have to consider that because 90 plus% of households do not have a parent at home during the day >> and we don't always have family that's available one day a week because most adults work. I just think that we have to really take that into consideration and maybe send out a survey before we make that kind of decision to say, "Hey, would you have any kind of opportunity to place your child somewhere one day during the week for 9 hours a day?" >> I'm just saying this is the way that it was presented. >> Yeah. >> And one child care provider, just one adult on it on themsel only can cover 12 kids, >> right? >> So it' be a massive
072amount of kids. You have to >> would would we have to do it complete district-wide or do we just >> 7 through K 12 is the four I mean it's not going to get our full because basically I would assume from seventh grade up I mean for the most part the kids are taken care of they can be home for the afternoon. So do we I mean definitely looking outside the box thinking outside the box but it's again we're not going to get the full saving but maybe a partial saving. I mean is that an option? Well, Jade, I was just going to say that you stole my thunder about thinking outside the box. The bottom line is, you know, I think it's been a great discussion. I I want to continue these discussions and
073I know Janetta wants to talk about the kind of the timeline a little bit. Um, I think it's great discussion that we're thinking outside the box. We're just coming up with ideas, our members, right? That does doesn't mean we're going to automatically jump on the bandwagon of a 4 day week or try to get daycare, but once we start having these town hall meetings, in my personal opinion, we're going to get information from parents. What are their thoughts? And obviously, we have to look at staffing, right? We have to look at, and when I say staffing, I'm talking from every single employee in the district all the way up to a superintendent. Whether you're a teacher, a parah, a custodian, a kitchen, whatever it is, we have to look at staffing because obviously that's 75
074to 80% of school's budget. That's where we're going to get the best bang for our buck. You know, I will work very hard if the board decides to go for a referendum. I will I'll work with the unions. I'll work with administration. I'll work with the communities to get as much as we possibly can for the betterment of our students. The bottom line, we can sit here and throw ideas out and everything else, but you know what I keep thinking? We got to remember this is all for our students, right? We have to make the best decisions with the amount of money we have for our students. That's my take >> to ensure they still have quality education. >> Correct. always comes down to them. >> And I think Cole's on to it though. We
075need to proceed as you're saying, but I think we're leaving our students short if we don't try to do it. I think you know what if the fall and November in a great time, but it's probably the least expensive way. I think we both are. I think if we at least then I mean we tried I mean if we don't do nothing then we just didn't ask for any revenue. Meanwhile, hopefully we're growing our our student base. You know, I I think I think, >> you know, have to support Cole on that. Uh I think we'd be crazy not to. >> Cole, you know, I I think you know me a long time. I just kind of say it is I maybe wasn't for going over an operating referendum when I first passed that form
076out. If we can do it in November, it's going to be a challenge because it is a midyear mid election. I would be really interested in doing in August or November if that's something that the board would like to do. Um, you know, >> as it's not recommended, do you know about the is there success in any like a small percentage of schools that have success in November? Because I've heard that it's a highly not recommended in November. >> It's highly not recommended on a big election like that. Um, but I do not want community members to think that we, the board and superintendent are hiding something. >> Say for transparency. I mean, put it on there, right? I >> You know what I mean? >> If we don't have a incurred cost. >> Yeah.
077>> Right. Am I I mean >> I my opinion I think people are going to be so hyperfocused in November that they're not going to have the capacity to fully take in what we are asking for and what we have given on our part. I think if we do it in August we have a better chance of them being able to focus on what we what we're needing from them and what we have done. But November is going to be a really tough tough voting year. And again, I think people are just going to be hyperfocused on >> and they could just check no >> and they can just go, "Nope, I don't want to spend more money. I don't want to have more taxes." So on and so forth. That's just my opinion. But
078if we do it in August, I feel like it gives them an opportunity to just focus on what we are asking of them. >> Like coincides with the beginning of a new school year. >> Correct. Yeah, that's what I thought. >> You know something, Sarah? >> Those are good points. And how about if I do this board members? I'll work with our district office. I'll work with our business managers and I'll put I'll figure out I we'll kind of target it for August. I'll just get the information. How much would it cost us? And just, you know, just get everything in a kind of a cheat sheet. Janetta, you and I can and Sher and Susie, we could work on that together. Um, and I'll get some information back to you board members. Does that
079sound appropriate? Sound good? >> Sounds wonderful. Yeah. >> Mhm. Okay. Cool. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Great. Um, this is a good segue to Janetta talking. Um, first of all, Jenna, thank you for giving us the time to talk. You know, it's, let's be realistic. We can all agree to disagree, but I thought it was great conversation here tonight. I really do. So, thank you, board members. Janetta, do you want to talk a little bit about the timeline and like we talked about today and earlier? >> Um, just to go over the next couple month. Um, so in January, we are going to plan to have a few budget scenarios for you guys to look at based off of some of these different categories and conversations we've had tonight. Um, and then that January, February
080timeline is when we're going to start engaging the community, letting them know of that deficit. Um, getting their input, uh, doing a town hall meeting, getting some surveys done, and then we're going to work from that community input, your input, and come in February, we're going to present our detailed plan to you. Um, because in March, we have a hard statutory deadline. We have to let any staff know um by March 15th if they're going to be part of that budgetary cut. >> That sounds good. We appreciate all your hard work, too. >> And Janetta, I'm going to throw this out there as well. I know we have um hard deadlines, right? And I know that I've always tried to play nice in the sandbox, be a team player. I will work with the unions
081because I know that they'll they'll be and Mrs. Frank is here. They'll be watching to make sure that we're following protocol and due process and timelines and I'll make sure to work with them. Is that I mean you and I. >> Is that safe to say? >> Okay. Do you have anything else, Janetta, that you want to add? Nope. I don't have anything else. >> Any Janette, I remember uh anything else you want to add about Sherry, Susie, and I know. >> Oh, yes. The district office is amazing. >> All right. I'm just checking with you if that's the case. >> All right. >> Anything else? >> Anybody have any questions? >> Not for Janetta. Okay. Thank you, Janetta. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Anybody have any questions for me or comments? >> I
082just have a clarification question on the transportation. >> Yeah. >> I'm assuming the walk zones are what we had spoken about in our negotiation meetings, correct? >> Elimination of the late buses. What does that entail? Well, I I think we need to maybe get on a and I don't know, Matt Matt Jensen's not here, so I don't want to speak for him, but we have talked about, you know, how can we make our bus routes more efficient? And you, you've all been in this district for many, many years. I don't know what that looks like. Um, does that mean because we do we pick up an Ottabon and then go to Lake Park and back? We have to be a little bit more efficient, I think, on our bus routes as well as like summer
083wreck and summer programming, right? I I think we have to be more efficient on that aspect as well. So, when I talk about routes like that, um that's what I kind of do, Sarah. I don't know what the magic answer is, but I would definitely work with others who probably have more knowledge than I do in that area. >> Does that make sense or >> No, it does. It clarifies it for me at least. Thank you. Yeah, >> we talked about the possibility of cutting the summer last summer because it added up. >> Yeah, it did. >> Oh, cutting what? >> The uh transportation in the summer. >> Oh, >> the raider care whatever that. >> Oh, and then we had the literacy academy in there too. >> Yeah. Have we touched base and just
084kind of had a coordination meeting with like third party like let's just say Olander for an example because they go to different districts not just you know Detroit Lakes so their buses go all over the place. Have we had anybody sit down and have a meeting to kind of get what their bus schedule is like and how they are efficient with their drivers and how many buses that they use per day. We did have a presentation on it. It wasn't necessarily consisted of all that, but I believe the price tag was about a million >> for one year. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um I have not s but to be honest, I happen my wife and I happen to have a friend who's the transportation director for a bus company that part of the
085state. >> I actually did reach out to her and ask some questions um regarding the because I think it's something we need to look at. Yeah. you know, for a bus company. And I've heard that it was very expensive before with how you say >> um I think I'm a firm believer if you bring in more competition hopefully that'll bring the price down. Um there's a lot of smaller bus companies out there looking to expand. Mhm. >> So, >> was that company that you talked to, would they be interested in a bus route? Oh, this >> that's why I reached out to that person. >> Did they have interest? >> Uh, they actually had a meeting today with their but I haven't heard. So, I haven't heard they had >> potential interest because they >>
086potential interest. They weren't meeting just because of my question. They meet every Friday or every Thursday, excuse me. And um they were she was going to ask the owners. >> I'd like to see the numbers from >> Yeah. >> around here. I mean, if if you get rid of a fleet now, they have you. And being in a limited >> in a competitive area, I mean, we have >> one two, you know. >> Yeah. Be too. >> That's what I'm saying. Two. So, um and and who knows if they could handle an entire district three towns away. two towns. But >> I look at the numbers. >> Yeah, I I agree. I think we have to go side by side. Um can I switch gears for a minute? Um we have our tooth and taxation
087meeting Monday at 6. Uh we have our audit at 5:00. Um I decided this week that I was going to talk to the auditor. Um Janetta has been working with the auditor and um I believe that the audit will be finished and ready to they're going to present on Monday. Um just a couple questions that they had and so um I've been working with the auditori I'm really pushing around I really need you it's I guess it's a Zoom call but I really need you to present on Monday. So that's the game plan. I talked to the auditor 2:30 today again and he said, "What else do you need? Call me tonight. Call me tomorrow. Call me Saturday." Um, so it looks like it's going to be a go that they're going to have it
088completed. >> That's good. >> Anything else? Board members, you >> Any other thoughts? I assume that once we get through this audit, the years moving forward should be a little more simplistic and smooth or timeliness. >> Sure. >> Let's always hope that >> Well, I just I mean, we've been waiting months for this one. I mean, obviously, there's been a few bumps in the road. We're trying to work our way navigate through. So >> once you get everything where it needs to be, >> y >> it should be just fairly reoccurring, I would assume. >> Yeah, it should be. Um, and just again, I actually when I talked to her, when I talked to the company, I don't remember if it was yet. I've talked to her quite a few times this week, yesterday, day
089before, I did say, I just feel like the audit's taking a long time. And I said, "Be prepared because there might be a schoolboard member or two that says,"Wh is this audit taking so long?" So, I did give that person a heads up on that. Just so everybody knows, >> I think it's a fair question. >> Yeah, I it is. It is a fair question. >> Down to the minute. >> Well, my my background with accounting is you start changing codes and all that, that's when it gets really messy. So I mean obviously we're trying to create consistency. So once you get consistent year after year should not be a big deal to create the you know produce an audit you know. So I I just yeah I'd be curious on why we were supposed
090to see it what September. >> Is this a new one? >> October. >> It's a new company. So they're getting used to it trying to figure feel their way through it. So it makes sense. >> What is it? Ed Bailey. >> Ed Bailey. Yes. >> Okay. >> Didn't we have them before? >> Yes. Yeah. >> And then you got a new company and then and they and you know we have a new business manager company so that adds a little bit in it as well. >> So >> anything else board members? All right. >> Okay. At 4.0 succeeding meetings regular monthly meeting school board uh December 15 2025 5:00 Lake Park Adaban High School Media Center 4.02 102 truth and taxation meeting December 15, 2025 6 p.m. Lake Park Adaban High School Media Center means
091>> Thank you board members. >> Thanks everybody for coming tonight. >> Yeah, thank you. >> Thanks. Library.