001shaper who will lead us he is a former board member all right it looks like we have some recognitions yes Timberland High School sports field groundskeeper Matt litzinger was awarded the National High School baseball coach association's 20 please please hold I apologize my apologies would anyone like to make an amendment to the agenda right seeing none I am looking for an approval of the agenda motion to approve second all those in favor I I okay I apologize for that um let's start over Timberland High School sports field groundskeeper Matt litzinger was awarded the national High School baseball coach association's 2024 field of the year for Region 5 congratulations and thank you to the THS baseball team and Coach Andy Zer for their role in keeping the field in top shape as well [Applause] congratulations all
002right moving on to public comments first up is Tiffany Thurman okay it looks like she's not here next up is Haley Gino that there we go there we all right a mafia can be defined as a group of people in particular in a particular field having control of having total control and influence so are you a board of education or a mafia based on the summons I got to attend the Clos session meeting in while administ knew that I was taking of a family member going through daily radiation and chemotherapy for eight weeks I'd say you should identify as the latter speaking about close session since y'all are bound and I'm not I'm gonna talk about a few things that just didn't quite make sense to me kitty liac you've been sitting here since April
003speaking about board norms and holding one another accountable so I'm going to hold you accountable this evening why are we on your phone texting while I was presenting evidence for you to consider during my appeal who are you speaking with and was the conversation about my family that was sitting right in front of you what policy will you put in place so that no one else feels as disrespected disregarded and discriminated against as we did during our one and only meeting with you wsd got seven months to conclude its findings and I had 45 days to show up to an appeal or the attorney threatened that my appeal would be dismissed policy 1300 States it has 30 days allotted to investigate so why did you all allow that wsd to continue for so long was
004it because the former superintendent wanted the findings for her own personal gain since you facilitated the closed session meeting and I had access to a binder filled with Candace door and Renee hanky's student information what are you going to do and how are you going to be held account why was your only question to me about how my my daughter was discriminated against the fact that I actually recorded the administrator that admitted it happened why did that matter to you Missouri is a one party State I knew what was recorded So I covered the law again Candace door and Renee Hank's family's information educationally was in that binder you gave me access to for over 22 minutes how are you going to be held accountable do you think the former super attendant providing screenshots of
005my family's personal social media posts along with the doors and the hankes is appropriate to have an AB binder with educational records it seems like she was stalking all of us and you guys all allowed her to happen by the way it violates us3 misappropriate government fund for personal investigation which I have recorded happened director Lewis recused himself from this meeting so six of you were in the room when I had B that binder for 22 minutes and I have pictures of many many documents in that binder this is a huge furpa violation I strongly recommend the six of you vote no confidence in Katie liac and I ask that you restructure the board immediately month after month you sit in front of us as a president that stumbles through the meetings now you assign
006them to other people you have a lack of knowledge and seen how you ran the close session enough is enough after seven months if you can't perform your job duties with confidence it's time to step down Madam president you're supposed to be in this for the children not your agenda or ego so please put the children first and step down as president all right moving on to resident agenda item first up is Haley Gino this will probably take all five minutes educ tion is both a fundamental and human right it empowers promot Community participation and plays a vital role in child protection and human rights education is a valuable investment and fosters intellectual freedom and fulfillment so much so that it's protected locally nationally and internationally the international Covenant on economic social and cultural rights
007devotes two main articles to the to education Article 13 and article 14 Article 13 is the longest provision and is the most wide- ranged and comprehensive article of the right to education in international human right laws fundamental and basic education as defined in the world Declaration on education for all is characterized by the following Four A's availability accessibility acceptability and adaptability the most noted accessibility and acceptability accessibility educational institutions and programs have to be accessible to everyone without discrimination within the state's jurisdiction acceptability the form and substance of Education including the curricula and teaching methods have to be acceptable for example relevant culturally appropriate and good quality to students and parents and Guardians the 14th amendment has played a critical role in the shaping of educational equality and civil rights within the US ensuring that
008schools provide equal opportunities for all students while there's been no prominent Supreme case specifically about segregation in public schools based on religions the general principle established by the courts is that public schools cannot promote endorse or segregate based on religion and and must respect a students and fam's religious freedoms without endorsing any particular belief Additionally the 14th Amendment equal protection Clause states that no state shall deny a person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of laws this means the state governments including Public School Systems must treat individuals and all students equally under the law it also has been used to ensure that all public education systems provided by the state must be offered to all students discrimination based on wraith ethnicity religion and other protected characteristics like disabilities children that are opted out of leader
009and me for religious reasons are not given a free and fair equal program and that violates the Constitution last year the Board of Education and administrators deliberated deliberated openly about the five families that you said opted out and that's inaccurate information and it was disrespectful to the families that chose to opt their children's out opt their children out based on their personal and family beliefs there were then and now more than five families that have chosen to opt out of leader in me and for this District or Board of Education to even cast one aside is sick and against the law administrators in elementary middle and high school still report they don't have an actual solid plan for students opted out sending an elementary child to a young buddy class to help a teacher sounds
010a little bit like what Leader in Me is children being assigned adult tasks with adult roles and not given any actual education let's talk about high school or middle school where students are either sent to the library to work independently without a teacher like their peers have during this time or they're given additional assignments others aren't so additional assignments not giving access to appropriate staff and excluding groups of children from assemblies when there's a choice appears to be more like retaliation than it is a child receiving a free Fair equal education under the law monthly parents have asked you to discontinue Leader in Me each time you give a different reason why you can't or won't so now I ask that this non-state mandated non-academic thirdparty program be taught on an opt-in basis only if
011there truly is no other option it is a family's job to instill values but leader and me but according to leader and me values are retaught to children and then they're instructed to take them home and teach their family are the seven of you in wsd okay with this huge overreach I instill the uh of my children not you you wsd has spent or invested over $2 million in leader in me and what is the ROI we're getting when not all students can par participate and not all buildings are fully committed I agree with what we've heard dozens of Educators say let them focus on the children let them focus on teaching getting proficiency scores back up and do their job simply asking for a free fair and equal education for all children should never
012result in the board approving a corrupt superintendent from investigating with Spencer Fain multiple families like mine and Candace doors but you did it so here we are what are you going to do to stop violating our children's right to a free fair and equal education not just under our law but under you law it's not just domestic people it's International all right next up we have Amanda Langley hello I am happy to be here to Advocate on behalf of foster children and Foster families that live here in the School District I've had children I've been had children in this district for the last 13 years my oldest just graduated and my youngest will be coming into kindergarten in a couple years my youngest two children are adopted out of foster care um there are a
013few Child Care Centers and buses that go to elementary schools that take the subsidy for chiaka and our district is the only District in the entire county that does not take the adoption and Foster Care subsidy in order for a foster family to be able to take a Elementary child and have before and after care available to them many foster parents I know cannot take placement for a foster child in this District because they do not have the means for child care and are unable to afford it despite some people's beliefs you do not get much of a payment for taking a foster child in fact it is enough to feed a dog I also am an adoption worker in a foster care agency excuse me and daily I am doing foster placement finding and
014am unable to have a Wentzville School District family take an elementary student because we do not have any options for before and after care I know there are barriers to be able to accept the subsidy however I have offered the contract as well as the rates and a part day for a foster child is $18 a day plus an additional fee that you get for taking foster children and if you add it up it's about the same if not more than chaga actually charges in addition if you look at the contract um public education systems that take the they are opted out they'll be able to opt out of some of the training which some of the training they should be able to have anyway which includes CPR and every two years a training on
015subsidy um it is is a minimal ask to help the few children that will that will thrive in our district in foster care and parents who Foster in the district the opportunity to say yes when we call them with an elementary age child and to call to duty their Foster parenting and that's I am requesting that you consider looking into taking the subsidy in your shiaka program I know many families I have networked and many of them are able to take foster children just due to that fact please consider it thank [Applause] you all right next up we have District comments one sec we still have a couple minutes if did you have any spe particular questions or anything you still have a couple minutes of no you don't have to if you don't want
016to but if you had any specific questions for us you do have a couple minutes that we can dialogue um I'm just wondering why our district is the only District in the entire County and probably the entire state that refuses to sign up to subsidy I've tried to go the route of asking Administration and I was turned down and that's all that's why I'm here just our district is so wonderful and so great and has such a great reputation except for does not offer this and I'm here to try to get that in place and to help Foster families in this District so that's all Dr Mueller you w to come talk through him you can come up here or wherever grab a microphone I'm sorry am I done oh no she's just gonna she's
017gonna address some questions that you have there too okay hi I'm the executive director of operations and I work with our chiaka program and Tanya Kirk Patrick so we did go through and explore and read through um the document that you shared and one of the concerns or there were a few concerns that we do have one is that um it's my understanding that our Foster and homeless students would actually be free under the program and then the students that would qualify for free and reduced lunch would then pay on on what's called a sliding scale and so what that may look like for example if we charge $30 per day for chitaka then that family may only pay $5 a day on the sliding scale it just depends so there's a variety of different
018things um with the fees and then also currently we only charge a $75 registration fee one time for a family um you know in other situations in other districts families do have to pay that for every child every year and so there's different things like that um that would impact the program overall um when you say free what do you D he pays for the for the family for the family then yes the family wouldn't have to pay it all correct but the state would pay a minimum of $18 a day so when you add it up it's a very minimal loss for foster children and it's it's not like it would be half of the children would be foster children and be it'd be a very minimal loss so it's not free they're not
019getting it for free the state would be helping with their payment so that's where I'm confused so the families would receive the care for free no the state pays for the foster children to attend there right which is almost equivalent to what you would privately pay so with the subsidy yes that would come to the district the Family itself would not be paying the Chaco fee so it would it would be free correct for the family so I'm confused that way what I'm confused with what your what the statement is because what you're saying is you're trying to imply that they you would get no payment for a foster child when you would get almost equivalent if not more because they offer additional monies for foster children yes for the in addition to the $18
020a day that they pay so for the Foster and the homeless students both yes we would receive a subsidy from the state for that um and then our other students that do qualify under free and reduced lunch they wouldn't be on a sliding scale and so to offset that you are having the higher extra staff which may or may not be covered by the subsidy and then also the loss of the fees so it I don't know exactly districts how do they do it so some districts um contract with a third party for example YMCA or Boys and Girls Club um I don't know specifically which ones you know you spoke with um we did look into that a few years ago and the YMCA is not able to staff in our area and then
021Boys and Girls Club did not Prov would not be able to provide services in the area okay I do have a question um so basically it's a staffing issue so if we could staff shiaka appropriately because I see what you're saying we're gonna have an influx of people that may want to take advantage of the subsidy program if we bring that in because they'll they'll have access to that are you saying that we might have an influx of students in coming into shiaka and we don't have the staff for it so that's why we're not doing the subsidy program so that's one of the one of the issues so um yes Staffing could be an issue right now uh we do work with a local College uran college to get students from from there to
022help out with the with the Chaco program um it is a little bit of a further distance distance for people to come from Lindenwood um or St Charles Community College to be able to go to college and also help out um so Staffing you know we would have to look in some different areas if we do have increased enrollment you know due to the subsidy program um also we we just don't know what the additional cost would be it just depends on how many students would would be under the program there's there's quite a few ifs um that we don't really know I have a follow-up question would this be something that could potentially qualify as an extra Duty for staff that we already have um since it's before and after normal um classroom hours
023I guess so we do already um try to recruit from our current staff at the maybe the child's building we also reach out to other instructional assistants and other buildings um and we haven't had a we haven't had a lot of luck with that I have a question as well um let's say if we were to accept subsidy would that then disqualify us from allowing A+ students to because I'm familiar with sub subsidy and um I was looking over the documents that you provided and one of I saw that there were exceptions when it came to training for public schools that makes sense um but I know that we use a lot of A+ students in at least the after care so they're still high school students and with subsidy it would require that the
024provider be 18 or older are there exceptions for do we know I don't know that we also depend on um some of our Chaka staff members actually have their own children in the same building and that would notal that would disqualify them um so we would lose those staff members provide care that's correct yeah correct that that's correct the the person receiving the subsidy the family receiving the subsidy cannot provide direct care for their own child if they're receiving the subsidy that is correct are there any other questions my BR I'm sorry I you know I'm I'm not following all this yet could could we ask from the administration that we get a a highlight a a talking statement that we can look at because I'm I'm confused why I hear free and I hear
025State covered and I hear good for and I'm I'm like I'm I'm missing something I know but I'd like to understand better thank you Brian all right thank you all right moving on to consent agenda I need a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented motion second all those in favor I I any opposed Renee could I ask one question it it it went so quick that I didn't get a chance to rec get recognized oh yeah so and this goes back to the operating fund expenditures section underneath the noncertified salaries um I'm we just started in July with a new year and we're already $734,000 in the whole and it looks like um a couple different buckets that that's happening on is is that something I should be concerned about or is this
026just a timing issue um that is primarily a timing issue one thing that um we saw there the the August adopted budget is kind of a misn misnomer in the way it's labeled it's really a projection based on um past history now that can change because of timing um one thing that is is coming into effect directly with the non-certified salaries is the equalized pay um that we went to two years ago because the the August adopted budget number is based on percentages spent from two years prior so the fiscal year 23 is what those percentages are based on and that's when uh I believe last year was a year that equalized pay was implemented and so there was a $700,000 adjustment uh that had that that happened last year so that's not reflected in
027here um and so that's part of the reason why that gets thrown off so and the other thing that you have to realize is this only has one full pay period okay by full pay period I mean uh the August 25th pay period is the only one that is out of the four that we've done that's on these numbers that's the only one that includes all staff because our teachers 10-month employees they they're not paid in the July the two July payrolls and the first August payroll so three out of the four payrolls that we've ran are partial payrolls compared to what we'll do the remainder of the year so that's why these numbers early in the year are skewed somewhat and it's also the equalized pay Factor that's coming in there because the number
028that is on there is prior to equalized pay thank you when when will we see the numbers improve so those numbers will continue to go uh get closer as we actually uh go into the fiscal year and get further in um you know you'll see that number be be better when you look at if you look on um Let me let me go down a little bit just a second so if you if you go on to page six in the financial report and at the bottom or yeah it's on page six the bottom on page six you see fund 100 general fund and then the third line down is 6151 that's classified salaries okay and so if you go across to the the third column the year-to-date activity is 3 3.3 million um and
029if you go all the way to the right you can see last year through this month we were at 3.8 million so we're actually have spent less this year than we did last year the number in the budget number is based on a percentage from two years ago if that makes sense it's kind of it's a little convoluted in the way that we present that and we're working on trying to to clean that up but that's it's kind of a projection of where we think we should be early in the year it can be way off just because of timing of of those expenses um because we base it on what we did One two years ago um because when we do the budget that's the only fiscal year that's complete so we're able to
030get percentages from from two years ago and then we based on what we spent each month and then that's how we generate that uh adopted budget number does that make sense that helps thanks okay and that's why we tried to include that additional report in there because it gets much more detailed and you can actually see uh each line item um and so if you ever want want some information on that I'm happy to sit down and talk to you about those you're welcome all right moving on to District comments yeah hold on uh first of all I want to thank both of our speakers for participating in the process we we do value and appreciate that and thank you very much for doing that um at this time i' also like to recognize David
031Woodson was an employee in the Wentzville School District since 2020 uh Serbian is the league custodian at greenry elementary David passed away on Tuesday September 17th from cancer our thoughts and prayers are with David and his family his wife's been a longtime employee in the district as well and at this time we'd like to have a moment of silence to honor David thank you okay now good news after heavy heavy thought like that uh wsd the transportation team so you may not know the highway patrol just pops in they just walk into the and say we're going to do a surprise inspection on you and they they pull 30 buses and you get evaluated at that point to see are you completely in compliance are you not in compliance where's it at so we passed
032with a 96.6 which is really good because we had one mistake and it was just a turn signal was out so our buses pass the safety rate with the exception of one turn signal being out which is outstanding and and really a kudos to that department again remember kind of like everywhere else their mechanics are short and things like that so it really goes to show you how how hard they're working to make sure our buses are safe for our students so thank you to all our transportation work for the workers for that uh last week I again was reminded how old I am as I talked to students and they had no idea what 911 was uh and I can still very well remember exactly where I was at and everything else like that
033but we did have Patriot Day celebration throughout the district where we had a chance to honor the brave First Responders who served in our our community uh it's a great event kids do get a chance to learn about 911 which is so important they get an understanding for why the Community First Responders are so important and our military as a whole so Patriot Day was a great success again so hopefully you had a chance to talk with your kids about the fun activities they got to do and then on Tuesday of this week we celebrated Constitution Day uh across the wsd that's something that's kind of fun for me being an old Civics teacher I always like talking about the Constitution I can see my high school people back there and they're like this guy
034come on man that's boring aren't you you're thinking that right now aren't you Civics that's boring you can be honest back there all right you're probably here watching a board meetings for civics extra credit right now yeah I do it and I haven't even talked to him have I got have I talked to you guys yet not at all I just happen to know that right so anyway Constitution Day it's a great day for our staff to teach our students at all levels about the Constitution and very levels so that was another great success and then finally do not forget to mark your calendars the homecoming parade is October 5th it will start in Holt or at Holt like it always does it is a truly unique experience there is no other community around that
035does a singular homecoming event for all four high schools like that so it's really a cool thing if you haven't been there bring your kids they get lots of candy it's a little Halloween treat ahead of time so we really would love to see you there and that's all I have thanks guys how about a standy know I'll give you more points for that all right thank you for that moving on to Old business we have 14.1 these are first reads um any discussion on policy 4120 no all right we've got policy 4210 for a first read any comments all right and policy 4322 any comments all right policy 4140 all right we have second read on policy um 6180 I'll need a motion motion to approve policy 6180 English as a second language and
036second second any discussion all right all those in favor I I any oppos all right moving on to policy um 5550 and director olssen I believe you had um some we'll need a motion first uh I would like to motion to table the second read of policy 5550 food service programs meal charges then I'll second discussion so currently there are several Federal injunctions um that block the enforcement of the language changes can you hear me right um and I just don't think we should be changing the policy until we have the final ruling from the courts whether or not this language is even uh enforceable in our state um uh so I don't know if you anybody else has any feedback I just have a question for Pat I guess would tabling it cause us
037to lose or forfeit or put into Jeopardy any federal funding for the meal program um it would require an audit from the state with respect to the meal service program this but the meal charges program so this language changed a long time ago though right and we just are just now updating the policy sort of so the notice of non-discrimination was added by MCE at some point uh in the distant past most recent but we did not adopt those changes at that time so we had never adopted a notice of non-discrimination MCE however recently revised the policy to comport with recent United States Department of Agriculture guidance that's based on a Supreme Court decision called bastock and that decision was limited to title seven of the Civil Rights Act but nevertheless held that sexual orientation
038and gender identity are protected classes for purposes of title 7 the USDA took that decision and relied on that decision to include within its required notice of non-discrimination protected classes of sexual orientation and gender identity that decision the Supreme Court decision is largely the impetus for the new title 9 regulations that were adopted by the US Department of Education which are enjoined from enforcement in the state of Missouri right now now the USDA regulation on which this notice of non-discrimination is not enjoined from enforcement Missouri right now but the legal grounds on which the USDA decided to change the notice of non-discrimination and the US Department of Education decided to change the title nine regulations is the same so there's separate regulations that are not directly related but they're supported by the same United States
039Supreme Court case and the application of the injunction could easily be applied to the notice of non-discrimination as well okay so I would like to follow up on that the boso decision the Justice in that case stated we are not considering any other application of this outside of a person being terminated for being uh I believe it was transgender or gay that was the that was the only basis that they were even ruling on and they made a point to say that it wasn't related it could not it was not to be related to Title 9 bosck was limited exclusively to title 7 of Rights Act corre which is for employment purposes and this policy is as how we charge students for meals the USDA guidance is also they cannot interpret language in law that
040is now due to um Chevron being overturned that is now the sole jurisdiction of the courts so this this injunction and the Chevron being overturned the Chevron decision being overturned it's a double whammy on why this is not applicable in our state yeah so the courts interpret the law but agencies can still prate rules but they cannot interpret the language of unambiguous law or ambiguous words in the law so I agree with you that a prudent sort of step to take would perhaps be to table this for tonight um although I think the application of those injunctions is limited to Title 9 regulations I think that like I said the rationale behind that injunction is the same rationale that the USDA used to make the changes to their notice of non-discrimination so that injunction doesn't
041apply to this but if someone were to sue trying to enjoin the enforcement of the usda's regulation or rule based on the same legal arguments it might be successful and so you know we may have future guidance in a few months uh that changes the results or the decision of the USDA so this is a a policy um the policy was presented to the board as a result of MC's recommendation that this is a mandatory adoption so for ka's for Katie's question what kind of adverse action are you saying that by us not adopting this tonight we're getting audited no okay I'm saying if there was a random audit then it could have implications but it is not likely to have implications given the legal nuances that I just described so your motion was to
042table until there is further ruling or until have a final R from the high court or however the process plays out so it could be a couple months because as of right now but it's not could be a coup months could be next year sometime could be November who knows when could be November all right I say we call the question unless anyone okay go ahead I just I have a quick follow-up question you say we you know there's not a high likelihood necessarily that we would be audited would there be any Financial implication if we would be audited or any any monetary reason why like going on and passing it and then changing it if you know the precedent changes any concerns there I mean hypothetically if if there was an audit conducted and
043we were found out of compliance with USDA regulations the penalty would be the uh withdrawal of federal funding relative to or related to the meal charge program the school meal charge program so out of the five districts in this County one of them has adopted this language and that's Orchard Farm and so as far as like the non-discrimination for individuals we do have a policy of non-discrimination so wouldn't that cover the district in any situation of non-discrimination so the U USDA has a we have multiple notices of non-discrimination we have a Title Nine notice of non-discrimination we have one applicable to title 7 we have one applicable to the Ida in Section 504 for students with disabilities and we also have one or we are uh proposing to have one for our meal charges program
044each of these separate notices of non-discrimination are required by separate federal laws and so we have multiple they all kind of coales and say the same thing which is the district does not tolerate or allow any form of discrimination for any protected class that is established by law and so so yes we do have multiple notices of non-discrimination but that's to comply with the various federal laws that exist with respect to those areas any other discussion all right we have a motion oh yep David yeah I wanted to ask Pat Uh so you you've made a statement as well that we should table this to get clarifying information or additional is that what I heard you say that's correct correct well I said I think it's acceptable to table it for right now given the
045circumstances I think if if there is Clarity in the law here in the short future uh that will direct the board and and whether or not to pass or reject the revisions the policy okay thanks you're welcome just a question to director Olsen would you be willing to maybe put a date of our November regular meeting just for now for I don't know just in case there is some kind of audit or something to just kind of just have a due date and then if it comes back around and we still want to continue waiting we could table it again so I think when we have the final ruling from the court there's several policies we need to update so I think it would be um I don't know if November's gonna I mean it'
046be January it would be January probably readdress all the policies of of if if the courts I mean I don't think the courts are going to take it out that far but if they do the courts could take it out a very long time there's no uh there there's no litigation timeline on these things and sometimes it takes weeks sometimes months and as you guys know sometimes years so I don't think it will take that long given the uh uncertain sort of Dynamic of Title 9 right now within the country it's complete like the title 9 regulations are completely barred from application in 26 States they are being implemented in 24 States courts don't like to have that happen they like resolutions so that the rule of law applies across the country as a whole
047for all school districts so I think it will be sooner rather than later I don't know that putting a date on it necessarily uh is required right now I think we just have to monitor developments in law and when there is a development we can bring them back for reconsideration I I have a question if I may so um you know we have like you mentioned there's a lot of policies that could potentially be affected um this is not the first policy that has had unsure law that but has other policies have been passed despite unsure law and I'm just a little curious to see if you know in the future um is this going to be something there's a lot of things pending you know in the political climate today but considering we have
048this board has passed policy that has had uncertain law attached to it I'm just a little confused about what what it is about this one there's a federal injunction there's like three of them it cannot be the language cannot be enforced in the state of Missouri correct so is that that's not like we're superseding like state law or something like and I'm going to be honest ref the um facilities policy um you know the law was not determined it still isn't our policy in theory could come up and be un lawful we had that discussion we had and and that's what I'm saying why can't we do that with this now if that it's okay for federal inun there's no there's no federal injunction on a on the facilities policy there's three Federal injunctions that
049it cannot be applied in the state of Missouri the law the the law says it's not enforcable in the state of Missouri right now that's where it stands so why are we changing changing policy because I would argue if we're changing this one we need to make sure they all say it and then we're going to have to change them all whenever the result comes out and for something that's not even enforceable that's that does not make sense to me to be clear the injunction does not pertain to the USDA rules the legal basis on which the USDA changed its rules is the same legal basis on which the US Department of Education changed its rules and so it stands to reason that if the usda's rules were similarly challenged the same effect would would
050would occur but there is no injunction per se right now as to the USDA rules and regulations but title 7 doesn't say anything about students and their rights to lunches it says the Court's decision on title 7 in bosck says you cannot fire someone for being gay or transgender that was it it didn't go further than that that was the line I don't disagree with you so it would not be applied to this policy and even on the usda's website they're saying their discrimination policy is based on Title 9 it's based on it's based on bosck it's based in part probably on Title Nine and bosck was before Chevron right Chevron a was in the 70s but the case thatt returned was recent yeah so the bosck decision only applied to the title 7 that's
051not what this is though we're putting it us da policy is being put into a student policy that has to do with students and not firing and hiring of employees again I don't disagree with you I I think where the separation is here is the actual language of the injunction and what it applies to and it applies to Title Nine rules the notice of non-discrimination while maybe based in part it's based in part on title 7 and Title 9 they say it in the Discrimination thing that it's based on Federal civil rights laws it is in and of itself its own separate rule or regulation so so this is not enjoined per se but if someone were to challenge the usda's rule it stands to reason that given what we have in the US District
052Court for the eastern district of Missouri right now as related to Title 9 there would be a very similar result and so if it were challenge it would probably be enjoined but to date it is not enjoined from enforcement Missouri even if it's based on Title 9 it's not Title Nine regulation though what's en joined right now are Title Nine regulations I know and in the usda's non-discrimination when they explain what they're using for that non-discrimination they say Title Nine the injunction doesn't apply to USDA rules and regulations again I don't understand that logic if they're telling you that their their non-discrimination Clause is based in Title 9 how is it not Title 9 is we can't enforce the changes to Title 9 so how is that not the injunction doesn't apply to the USDA
053rules I I I can't say it any other way the injunction is limited to title n regulations I don't disagree with you that the legal theory behind the they're two separate rules USDA over here US Department of Education Title 9 over here they both rely on Bostock the Title Nine regulations are enjoined from enforcement someone challenged them because they weren't legally authorized in the view of the the the parties that challenge them the USDA rules have not been enjoined yet though so can I say something real quick so I think ultimately what Pat has said is he thinks it's not a bad idea Pat to summarize it to say to table it that the M the risk is minimal at best I think we're debating the legal side both ways here but ultimately he's kind
054of agreeing that there's a minimal risk uh I don't think that was what director or vice president Scott was talking about as much as anything else so I think from a legal standpoint we're we're right with what you're saying it's okay to table it it's a minimal risk uh the other side of that that would be for you guys to talk about but I do think that the legal side he's kind of weighed in and said yeah it's a minimum risk so all right so we ready to vote so we have a motion to table uh policy 5550 uh all those in favor I I any opposed name n looks like the eyes have it did you get that Joanie all right moving on to 15.2 policy oh 15.1 it's a first read for policy
0557231 any discussion there all right moving on to 15.2 policy discussion so can I just do uh 1300 and 1301 together kind of one big conversation okay so I guess what I'm looking for and we kind of talked about it a little bit um previously uh is to do to to look at the outcomes of 1300s and 131s not not necessarily the specifics or you know names or anything like that but um to do kind of like a an audit to see what kind of things we're dealing with um what kind of things are coming to the board a lot uh how it's how it's um not the 1300s but the actual appeals and stuff like that like what the results are those sorts of things so I have a list of the things that
056um I guess my idea of an audit would look like and this would be a a audit that comes to the board so we would just review whatever the results are um the complaintant classification whether they were admin support teacher student Community member parent um the accused classification admin support uh teacher student Community member parent Etc the claim summary so just small short summary paragraph uh summary of The Objective evidence considered the subjective evidence considered entity performing the investigation whether it was a district outside investigator or a law firm Etc original complaint findings um whether or not there was an appeal uh to the superintendent what their decision was and whether there was an appeal to the board and what their decision was so that's that's why I wanted to put this on the agenda
057to talk about that can I ask uh are you like going back to like a certain date that you're looking for that we'd probably put like a cap on it I don't know how many appeals have come to the board I mean it would be everywhere from discipline to um well no not discipline just whatever falls under 1300 and 1301 um [Music] probably I don't know it's five or 10 years too bad is that a lot okay five five years is that she looked at me like I was crazy I don't know how many come to the board I mean I know we've had yeah um can I ask like what we do as a board to help like to improve a practice or like what the the I don't know I think that would
058be something we would have to if there may not be anything that sticks out to any of us right but I think we would just be doing some self-reflecting on how we are what what we're considering what we're not considering um you know some of the things you guys were here we didn't have anything to do with them so you would have more knowledge on those than we would that kind of thing so just to kind of uh police ourselves I guess I think some of that going back maybe just as far as Julie and I have been on the board we can speak to that but if we go back further I mean I'm not opposed to five years but I mean even looking at admin I mean jary maybe is the only one
059who would have been in so if we we're not going to have a lot of context right if we go back too much far you know we've had multiple superintendents at this point you know HR has changed you know so just just thinking about how far you want to go back and the information we might get and the input maybe from those who are involved is going to be limited right and I assume there's probably like a file but that would and I I'm yeah so how far back do you go do you want to start with just three years and see says we can't yeah four four let's go four yeah so go back to what what school year would that be 20 2021 I have a question um considering and coming from a
060legality standpoint um and confidentiality feel like that's a lot of information that maybe we shouldn't know we wouldn't need names right but I mean like there's ident there's potentially identifying information in like the US asked for like the evidence that was collected both subjective and objective um you know a summary statement like no just the evidence that was considered not collected but I I mean can I ask like what kind of a lift that is on Administration for I'm just looking strictly from a I mean I I I don't think it hurts but I'm just looking for a point where like it's enough information that you could consider without taxing staff from their other roles to provide that like the balance that was actually my question real quick with 2021 2020 21 that I hate
061bringing back up old memories but that's covid so you're going to have a very mixed bag of what anything looked like at that point I don't know that there's even a ton to look at I mean we could pull 21 or 2020 21 but it's it's definitely got a different thing my biggest question is how fast do you want it because it is a bigger lift than I mean is it something we can work on a couple months and get it and I mean I think I can we can even brainstorm to see if if it doesn't if we can if it doesn't have to be that big of an ass because I don't want it to be a huge ask how about if we do like one this way and see how long it
062takes just to do it because I don't have any idea I don't again I don't have any issue with it but I I also don't know how long it's going to take let's see one and present it to you guys and if that's what you're looking for it may be too much information it may not be enough information but we'll present that to you and if you want to keep going down that way I'll tell you here's how long it took for that one it's going to be easier for the ones that we actually like the ones I actually did I can do those pretty easy I remember them well the ones I didn't have any access or any involvement in are going to be more difficult because you've got to review it so wri
063in the summaries and stuff like that it's me going back or it's one of us going back and reviewing that whole whole 1300 case um because that's not part of the process was writing these big summar or writing a summary statement so it's a matter of going back and reviewing it all and then also like the the evidence considered that'll be a little harder because I don't know what they considered in some of those cases it doesn't like if you think about the appeal package you get it doesn't it gives you a whole book of information that says this is what it was so let us put something together and submit it to you guys and then see what you think I'll also comment the kind of binders that we receive now are not what
064they used to look like it was different how they more or I mean yeah less it wasn't it wasn't organized it wasn't tabbed it wasn't I mean so what you're saying is Pat's awesome well I mean and the other people who helped yeah assemble that stuff but first the first year we were on it did look different yeah I would say that there was a request back then to put the binder together like you have that that specific board wanted this thick binder of organized and tabbed and broken down in a certain way and so that was a pretty significant change and made a lot more like timely to do that it was a lot more time consuming but it was easier for everybody to read it but it was incredibly time okay so I
065have an idea actually so you don't have to do any of that stuff um maybe just a list of the 1300s that have been filed for the last four years since Jerry been here and then uh the findings of the original whether it was um substantiated not substantiated what the basis was that sort of thing again we don't need names we don't need specifics just what was the basis what was the findings was it appealed um if it was what was the findings of the appeal to the superintendent if it went further to the board what was the findings of the board that sort of thing and if we I mean I think that's just like dat collection that's not like you have to actually know what happened and then we can look at that
066and see if we want to look in deeper okay so hold on I know Jan's typing but so am I finding to the original outcome was it appealed if so what happened was it overturned or not overturned what else did I miss there there so not like a summary of the complaint but like what was the complaint like like discrimination for X Y and Z okay turn on your microphone are you want ones that have only come to the appeal level or things that have even been like investigated at the building level because initially I thought like this level but then on the second go round I thought you meant the whole gamut so for this data sample without any specifics for all of them for the four years so that way if we if
067we look at that and we say we want to look into this or or whatever because we're going to be in there too the board's gonna be in there too they're so what she's saying Jerry is they're they're the actual formal 1300 so formal 1300 or 1301 was filed so may not be the building ones okay uh question to admin are you comfortable with considering this a directive from the board no vote needed okay just making sure that on record that's what it is all right anybody else have anything on those two all right moving on I'm looking for a motion to approve the tax rate hearing as presented I'll make a motion second any discussion all right all those in favor I I I any opposed all right uh moving on to board action
068items does anyone have anything okay I actually I do have something um I was wanting to maybe discuss a bus discipline policy or making a revision to our bus policy um just looking at like when students have An Occurrence on the bus the discipline needs to happen with the bus so I think maybe one of the biggest offenses fighting so if a kid fights on the bus then they shouldn't be suspended from school I know there are probably some situations where it would go to school but I think that when there's an offense on the bus it needs to be taken care at the bus level um unless it's an elevated situation and then when there's offenses at school then that is done at the school level we shouldn't be mixing the two so that
069was I'm looking for some feedback if that's something we want to kind of pursue as a policy or a revision so I kind of I kind of agree I can remember back in the day riding the bus and getting into trouble on the bus and getting a referral and getting kicked off the bus um but it didn't affect me in school yeah David was there we went to school together he was the bus um sorry I'm joking to an extent to an extent I can but I'm going to kind of double down on fighting it's still school property it's still school hours it's still the district's responsibility for those children for those writers while they are still considered in our care and I don't think that that I think that should have the same kind
070of ramifications there I don't think there should be exceptions just because it happens on the bus that's just how I feel so I I'm going to go ahead and tell you that's already something that we were talking about back in July like when we did code of conduct and wanting to look and see what the bus discipline if we needed to go to a discipline conduct code uh as much as anything to try to support drivers better so they had the opportunity to see uh that there was actually action occurring I think that's that would be a big lift for our drivers to be able to see that the discipline would still be handed out at the school as far as the school administ TR ding needed wouldn't go to the bus garage to do
071this when we don't want that uh so we're kicking around uh Laura and Ryan have already pulled I think four or five different documents from different districts that we were going to at some point talk to you guys about anyway so I I don't have any problem with this we've already started the lift it's something I agree with that sounds good um and just to clarify just a little bit just I mean just the situation that I was um made aware of there were two children that um got into a little tiff on the bus they were were suspended from school however they rode the bus in the morning they were suspended that day and then the next day they were back on the bus so so when we're talking about a larger offense and
072maybe it would go into the school but when we're talking about offense on the bus that driver didn't get any relief from that offense so that's what I'm I'm looking at more you know maybe those kids should have been suspended off the bus but could still could have went to school just um kind of that kind of is what I'm looking yeah and so there is it's just not prescribed like the code of conduct we're talking about that was Rewritten our administrators have the ability to do that they I don't know that they typically do that I know there are definitely times when they do that and I think that's probably inconsistent building to building uh and again I think the help is here for consistency across like okay this is what this is and
073and what you're talking about Rene is probably like a scuffle and they were given in school susp and you are correct that doesn't change any behavior on the bus uh and it removes them from a class environment maybe it would be more beneficial to say okay it's five days off the bus um I do think you know something that the Board needs to consider when you talk about bus discipline is that puts an onus back on our parents like if we remove kids from a bus that means the parents have to take them so that's coming from a district that we did that that's a big thing that as a board we have to understand and as Administration we have to understand and just my perspective on that um I think when we have parent
074involvement our students do better so even in a discipline situation you know just it kind of forces the parents to them be involved in that disciplinary action you know and I I do understand that most parents both work it it is going to be an inconvenience but I also think that it gives that time between the parent and the student to kind of have a discussion so um there's that aspect and then just a question um so when students are like out of school suspension does that affect our attendance with desie it does so then I think we could maybe depending on what the offense is then help with our attendance but still be pursuing that discipline all right anything else you got something not on that oh okay um board comments there now I'm
075on I'm unofficial clock so last meeting in uh August we had Gunner that was here and there's a lot of discussion about the benefits of of having that type of animal in the schools we talked about how it was is important that it's not just a scheduled where if something happens then we'll bring them in because things happen all throughout every day in one way or another and having the the support dog and and family of people at the school there I I think is very important I think as we left it at the end of the last meeting was there's recognition that it probably shouldn't be full-time but that it should be not just on either something in between uh I I I personally am a big advocate of that I've been around dogs
076and been through the training that sort of thing as well I I I think that is important just as we talk about the other things that are important with kids that need support this is something else and you never know what it is that connects with a child and and animals have have real magic and i' I'd like to move this from we talked about we heard the the discussion last month we were going to commit our in small groups or or do individual thought on it but I'd like to get to a point where we can say that uh let's let's look at engaging with the the school administration and see what a recommendation they would have with how many days a week Monday Wednesday and Thursday Monday Wednesday and Friday you know I'm
077I'm I'm just throwing out some times but Monday after a weekend could be important middle of the week and then the end of the week um i' I'd like to hear if there's support for that from the board and if so then Administration what would be the next logical step as you see it I would support that and to follow up I would I guess say can we have at next month's meeting kind of like an update on where we're at and what we can do as far as um how many days a week maybe gunar can be around just as like a pilot program I don't know something like that I I can't say that I met with um some guidance counselors in that building um virtually late last week and we had good
078very good conversation and dialogue about um just kind of like the history of where things had been and what kind of the expectations were and some of that communication we had talked about um at our last board meeting it was an awesome meeting and then we were talking about Good opportunities that we felt kind of fell within the initial parameters that we already had beyond the scope of what you guys are talking about now and they put in a request for him to be um present for the Chad's presentations that they're having at the end of September because they said oftentimes like those are those are times when students do have significant need that that would be a wonderful time to have Gunner and we've approved for them him to be there during those two
079times and so those are small steps so we've made um some progress with them having gunner in but again not yet to what you've requested but we can have those conversations as well um but again really great meeting last week and within 24 hours we're already making those plans so definitely moving forward I have a comment um thank you Renee for facilitating the agenda um so Jen has requested to lead next month and I granted her that request um like I said in the beginning um it was my desire to provide the opportunity for everyone to have the experience of leading a meeting and I appreciate that you asked for it and I think you did a great job even through you know the stumbles I think you did a great job so and I'm
080looking forward to Leading with you next year month Jen so yeah all right thank you all right well yep thank you for letting me give it a whirl um so yep you got something David sure I just wanted to finish the point about with Gunner so I I heard from one other board member I'd like to hear from the rest of the board members your opinion on that and also Brian if you could weigh in because I personally every day that goes by we're we're potentially missing an opportunity to help a child and this is an unique way of helping children and uh putting off to another month to see where we're going to be means that it's going to go off to another month and pretty soon it's going to be into the next
081year and I'm I'm really advocating against that I I think this needs to be sooner so I appreciate additional feedback I would be happy to oh sorry DAV go ahead um I I definitely support the you know um the animals being in the schools um but I do you know remember that there was concern about making sure it was systematic didn't favor one school like it's it's you know more than just that particular school but all of them that would like a dog and so um if you allow them to do it then you have to allow everybody to do it and I know that that is really difficult because I 100% agree with you that they could be really beneficial to the kids um but you know I I'm okay to defer to Administration
082on what they feel is the best way to be fair and to um you know Implement something like that because there's a lot I don't know about the day-to-day operations within those schools my question would be is and I know they're not here tonight but is gunar available for other buildings as well or is it just for wizville midddle that he um I know that the police department now has I me I think one I don't know when he's online so can't we do pilot programs we had a pilot for curriculum I mean we don't so we don't have to it can just be the one building with pilot David had something you want to say and then I'll jump in um I was just gonna say I I agree with you David um I
083think from what we heard the benefit of having gunner in the building is very beneficial um but I also see Julie side too like the Optics of how often is that like Brian has mentioned you know how to balance that um so I would I would be in favor of if we need a revised policy that allows again within the parameters of what what we can accommodate districtwide um knowing that if one does it others are going to want to do it too like how do we support that um again I'm 100% I would love to see him there every day I know that probably logistically can't happen but how what we need what can we do to help facilitate that I mean it sounds like some things are in place but you know increasing
084that to where all parties have what they need because I I agree with you wholeheartedly dogs can sooe a kid more than than a grown-up can so yeah yeah and I I would agree and I like that um you know he'll be there during Chads and that I think that's a great idea to have them so yeah just kind of I'm I'm 100% in agreement but just getting some type of standard and expectation from all of our buildings and and how that's going to work out and I think it's important to note that the question with Gunner came down to every single day that was where the question came into there was never a question of whether or not emotional support togs could be at school they they've been at South Middle they've been at
085a number of different buildings and local administr the building administrators kind of work within their schedules to figure out when they think it's best uh I don't necessarily want to take that out of their control to do that I don't that I want to mandate that you're going to have an emotional support dog here here and here and the other the other concern could be is there enough animals even available for that as well so I mean Jerry can talk more about if we want to get back into the logistics of what it looked like because it ran through her apartment but ultimately I think it's important to note we don't turn down requests for emotional support dogs we haven't done that that the Gunner thing came into a question because it was every single
086day it was an employee that was watch Gunner and taking care of Gunner the entire time so that was where some of the questions were raised um like Jerry said I think they're working to figure out a solution where we might able to use Gunner still at onville middle that would be incredibly challenging for gunner to go to a different building because she has a job to do and and so I don't you know we obviously need her and her job too so I I think we can absolutely continue on with our practices and kind of reiterate what those are and put them down more formalized but to date and Jerry correct if I'm wrong I don't know that we've chain or turned down a request for a therapy dog on an as-needed basis or
087however that's worked um not if it's an explicit request for something specific like an event or something like that as far as like can we have them once twice three times a week we have not approved that but as far as can they come at this date and this time for the student population I think we've said yes every time to my knowledge okay I appreciate that and I I I will say it again and just for for clarity from my perspective I think ad hoc is not a an as good of solution as regularly scheduled and I I I think that having the dog there on certain days can bring real benefit versus just on a onesie Tuesday time with a special event um so for next month is that something that with Will
088the board is that I work with Jerry and try to come up with something that we can come back to the board is that is that reasonable yeah I'm okay with that yeah I think that's fine good yeah if that's absolutely that's the direction of the board we will collab and look at some things okay great thanks I appreciate it that's all I had Renee all right anybody else that okay okay yep we're um looking for a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn all right Joanie do a roll call we should probably do all seven of us okay yeah so we're just we're joury going home direct Lewis hi I I Dr Bethal hi Dr Olsen hi president liac