001Hey, I'll call to order. >> I pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Roll call. We have all members of the board present with Joy on her way as well as administration and members of the public. We'll start with public comment. Public comment is reserved for items that are not on the agenda. It is for members of the public to give input on public matters, not personal issues. To avoid violations of privacy, a member of the public wishing to address the board will not be allowed to make comments about any student, staff member, or member of the public during his or her designated time to speak. To maintain order and allow everyone
002the opportunity to speak, the chair shall limit an individual's time by three minutes. Does anyone wish to speak at this time? >> Indeed. >> Okay. >> Over here, right? >> Yep. >> Hi, my name is Kevin Griggs and I'm a business owner in the community um and a geyer ball player. and from Jim Jenner who couldn't make it tonight. For those of you that don't know Jim Jenner, he was pretty much the man responsible for getting the town rebuilt, getting it back on the map. Uh for the record, the weekday raetball group started 14 years ago in the little gym. Over that time, approximately 45 different people, mostly 50 plus, have come in early in the morning to play for an hour. The game they invented involves hitting a racket ball against the north wall
003underneath the basket. In the early days, there was some damage to that wall. We the players contributed over 600 bucks to buy the wood, paint it, get it up and and still there um so that no more damage would occur. This is one of the only athletic outlets for seniors in the community, especially during the winter months. When asked, all the players have provided background information, accommodated whatever needs the school had in terms of using the gym for other functions. Most recently, the group's key fobs were turned off with no notice, and we were not advised of any issues regarding a change in school policy. The raet ball, pickle ball, and other physical activities in that small gym are very, very important to a lot of local residents. If modest fees are entertained by the
004school board, I doubt that there would be any resistance on the part of the players. However, I think the school district is really missing an opportunity to provide valuable resources to the community, especially retired people with no children in the system who still pay significant amount of tax money toward our local school. So, that's pretty much what the dieser bunch has to say and pretty much the same thing you guys would say. >> Yes. >> So, um that's all I have. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, I'm Brian Sen live here. I lived here for five years. Um, and uh kind of informally uh run the pickle ball group which has over 50 plus members on its uh list. Not everybody shows up at once, thank goodness. Um, but yes, so in the winter time
005uh we we play in the gym typically three times a week. And again, as Kevin said, that's a real important part um of the uh exercise regimen here for us older folks. And uh yeah, so when Kevin mentioned this, so I was concerned I I wanted to ask like what is the policy going to be? Um what are the fees going to be? What uh why the change and what's happening? And I also want to say too, I talked with former mayor Craig Sorenson, and he did tell me that uh 10 or 12 years ago, there was a mutual use agreement signed between the city and the the school um so that they could use each other's facilities. And um I wondered if that agreement is no no longer in effect or if there's been
006a change of any kind. Um because as I see it, I mean, you know, the city is basically the community, which is is us, people who want to use that. So, so I'm just wondering if you guys could clarify for us what what's happening and what's the rationale. >> Anyone wish to speak as well? Ruby, go ahead. >> Yep. I'm Ruby Kicker. Um, I'm also a member of the pickle ball league and I just wanted to reiterate what these guys said is that um, we've lived here for 10 years and paid taxes gladly and um, we support our school in a lot of ways, but um, we also don't have any children in the school. So, it's nice if you can give back to the community somehow. And as far as seniors go, I'm probably
007the senior senior. Um, you know, that's one of the important things that happens as you get older is not only to keep physically active, but to have that socialization and, uh, if you don't go to church or don't go to bars or even if you do go do both of those, having geyser ball or pickle ball or is a really nice outlet for all of us. So, I appreciate it if you can let us keep going. And I think we did also donate a sound system to the >> a couple years ago >> for you guys to use. And um we're happy to pay a minimal fee, but we don't have a lot of extra money and then none in the association to really pay larger fees. Anyway, thank you for supporting it. >> Does
008anyone else wish to see? >> I do, but it's not about >> not about about all that. >> Real quick, >> just a quick one. >> So, as administration, we hold these facilities in trust to the community. You all are taxpayers and there's multiple more taxpayers that are trusting that administration and the school board is running this facility um to top tier and making sure that we get the the longest longevity out of these facilities that we can for the buck, the dollar, and with what we got going on for facility wise right now. Talking door McGuire um we found 36 um pickle balls balls in our heater and our heater was broke down with 36 balls in that heater and uh the walls are getting marked up and it's kind of getting the floor
009is getting chipped up and we put about $3,000 into the coating on the floor and that stuff it's wear and tear and so biggest thing is is because we do hold it trust, it is getting worn down at a level that's not going to withstain and we would have to raise taxes on everybody and rebuild the gym and rebuild the floor. And we got to figure something else out. And that's kind of where we need to be as a board and make a decision on a fee, whether it's $25 per player, whether it's uh $500 per uh whoever uses it, and just to help out because even the floor. If it's $3,000 a year, like 500 bucks isn't going to cut it. We need more help. We need to make sure we're keeping this because
010I do want to see this school last another 100 years. And um we're in the process right now working with all engineering. We have a lot of stuff in the works right now. Um so I've even asked like up the food chain superintendent, what do I do? I have a community that uses it for all these sports. Um I have one pickle ball or I was Mr. Hatcher. He said, "You're going to let us use this or we know how to get super inspired." >> He's gone. >> Well, nonetheless, the challenge was thrown out and it was like, "Well, you know, I I I get it both ends. I just want to keep this school for the kids, the kids number one, and make sure it's ready to go for the day for the kids."
011Um, and make sure that the facilities are ready to rock and roll. I do know there's probably talk about building a some kind of youth center. Like if we're building downtown and we have this rock and roll um skate park going, I wish we could do the same thing and have a like some kind of senior center where we could have funerals and we could have uh raet ball, we could have, you know, maybe even a splash park. I think there's bigger things that could be done and if we rely on the school, it's never going to get done. And that's what the city needs. It needs something for the youth, the kids, for all of us. And when we rely on the school, it's like the school kind of keeps taking on a filter
012in we just need to communicate, work together, figure out which direction we're going to go, and a theme is needed. >> Do you have to refinish it every year? >> Yes. >> You hadn't been refinished in quite a few years. >> Well, we got Mr. McGuire. It was done the year before, too. Um, and we're doing a really good job now and we're keeping them pretty clean. And it it goes to mean like, you know, when you go by this gym and you see it says no street shoes, we're trying to get on the kids, you know, they're end up out there in Crocs and everything because to redo a floor, I can't think off the top of my head right now, but I want to say it's in the hundreds of thousand dollars to
013rip up the floor, redo the floors. And um I I don't want to get to that point because when you get to that point, that's when we're raising taxes from just automatic. This is what we got to do. Taxes go up and I know we're all over tax right now as it is. So, >> so we're going to keep moving public comment. Thank you. >> But we're happy to talk more with you afterwards or follow up um after this meeting as well if you don't want to stay till the end. So, additional public comment. >> Okay. Um Lucinda Christensen, your again uh head cook um kitchen director. And I just have a really quick list I wanted to go down and just go over you guys with. Um, first of all, thank you for giving
014Rhonda and I another year to figure this out. Um, we have the DoD. We got that grant again this year for $4,000. Um, we're in the process. I'm just waiting to hear back. We got the FFBP, which is the afternoon um, snack program in the classrooms. Um, we should be up and running with that by October 1st. that was in $9,000. Um, Katherine and I did the Heart Association grant the other day and asked for a couple of new things which was close to $3,000. Um, my daughter has offered to donate her pig for our food program and I'm still working on cow donations. I know I've been working James overdue. Um, our numbers were a little bit low coming in, but they're slowly increasing with kids coming up to get lunch. Um, we're going
015to be trying to do taste testing with harvest of the month either in October or November. Um, we are in the peer mentorship program again. I still have Katie on board with that for this year. Next year we're getting audited. She will still be with us next year to help us get through that. Um, and then I just wanted to throw this out here and I feel bad because asking for money, but I know we floated the idea before about with these uh pig and cow donations. Would the school be willing to buy a couple of pigs? I would be willing to raise them out of the house or a couple of cows. We have plenty of room. Could we not buy them on our own through the school and then we would skip the
016middleman with trying to find donations? we'd have them already and then maybe once a month bring in, you know, feed receipts or whatever. Is that something I just want to put that on the radar? Is that an option? Maybe we could do that. Um, and then I had um and I don't know, maybe the cooler freezer thing is something Bob should talk about. Um, we had a relay switch go out and holy smokes, the the the freezer was unthawing and I was in a panic. Um, the guy did replace the relay switch and I think he did the other one back there as well. Um, we're going to be shut down uh over Christmas break. They're going to try to reseal the middle wall that separates the cooler from the freezer because it's starting to
017fail. Um, and the guy that does that for us, what what is his name, Tom? I can't remember. >> Yeah. He said he would he would be actively looking for um a newole a whole new unit. Um, and he would try to get us a really good price. >> 15. >> What's that? >> 125. Yeah, that's he said for for a cheap one a cheaper one about the same size that we have would be right around $100,000. But but I did find out if we donate our animals and go through the producer partnership, they have that they will have like a matching grant so they could help us out and pay for half of it. So that's just something to throw out there too. Um and I think that's all I have on my list.
018Otherwise, thank you again. We're we're trying. >> Thanks. Anyone else for public comment today? >> To close campus for lunch. >> Okay. >> Um, next item is approve the minutes from our last board meeting. >> You know, too late. >> Okay. >> I'll be here. tomorrow and Friday come here the next two days but then I'm gone for another week tomorrow Friday. >> Can I can I ask one question real quick? Um so will there be some kind of announcement to the group various groups that that traditionally use the gym >> once we get >> okay we get >> do you have kind of a timeline or you making decisions at certain points or >> get to got to get to a board meeting board meeting next one's >> October Tuesday October so That's where
019we're at. >> Okay. Well, thank you. >> We're out of the gym >> for right now. >> Okay. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, we have our minutes from August 12th. Any comments or questions? >> All those in favor? Any opposed? Pass. And then August 20th minutes, the special the two sessions we had on that tape. Any comments or questions? All those in favor? Any opposed? Moving on to correspondence and recognition. First, we have the elementary principles report. Any questions or anything else you want to add? >> Um, no, we just Any questions for I tried to get out of school. I don't want to stress. >> All right. Next, we have the high school principal superintendent report. Any comments or questions for Tom? >> I preload. This one was short. I know it
020was short, but I did this last Monday. I really haven't been here since last. So, I know there's not much school, but in coming months they'll grow questions probably refer to >> the one thing I would ask is just with homecoming this week take a careful look at the floats after what happened last week and make sure everybody's super safe >> yes I had some junior high kids in here before >> sitting on butts or something. >> Yeah. I was here for some reason. I saw a student driving a pickup truck like the track mats in the back and a kid on top of the track mats just ready to fall out. And I know of course you you know you were whatever they were they must have been moving the mats from over there.
021>> But I just thought, oh my god. Same with candy. I notic you're out next week. >> Yeah. >> Are you out? I'm going to be here Thursday, Friday through possibly the following Wednesday. Anything else for the super? >> Okay. Uh PTO booster club. Um, not a whole lot since we did send money to Drummond's booster club for equipment based football team and I donated money for um activities for students who couldn't pay and I delegated the lottery. Avery Rich did the girls and then the girls high school girls were the football team and that's about it. Any questions about the last two of us hanging on? >> Yeah. Somebody else's time on the tour. >> I was going to say if I am at any games and don't have any other and we have
022the leftover stuff to sell. I'd be happy to set the store when I'm there. >> Okay. >> I just didn't want to get into that. >> But we do have some stuff over there. I don't know where that came from. >> No, I think I know what that is. I think a bunch of stuff. >> Okay, sounds good. All right, next item is financials. Any questions for Catherine or anything else you want to add, Catherine? >> I don't have too much to add. The reports are pretty simple right now. You have any questions about those reports? A motion for the board of trustees of Hillsburg school district number one needs to approve payroll 63920 through 6394 direct deposit 8450 through 8481830 and claim a 999. >> Any comments or questions? All those in favor? Any
023opposed? Moving on to items for action. Item A certified staff handbook. Um my recommendation is that we call it second were all handed out staff on certified staff teachers certification changes. I'm sure there's some typos. There always is. And again with these three I April, May, June frame again before school starts next year. >> I I did look though. This is what we did. I think I got us on this couple years. It looks like at least the last year. So, this is the third year in this fall. My idea was just more eyes on it. Hey, you see this and this done. Do we have a motion to approve school district number one moves to accept the certified handbook? Second. Any comments or questions? All those in favor. Any opposed? All right. Motion passes.
024Item B. So this is the same but it's for classified staff. Second final reading. My recommendation is that we accept this. I have all the classified staff sign in this year. I don't know why in years past I didn't do it, but this year I'm making all the coaches sign up as well. And then that way when coaches are, you know, drinking or coaches are tardy or coaches are wearing Budweiser shirts. It's like, hey, here's our classified handbook that says you can't do that. And that way trying to communicate a little better everybody coaches. I'd like to get volunteers to sign in. I know we're not hiring yet, but as classified staff, you guys hire my job. Do you have a substitute? >> We got one and I didn't throw it on yet, but we
025do have one cleaned up. We did have a sub training this year and we had three sub. That's what we said. Let's just start and we'll grow it. And then Andy, he came in. He got one. He's like, I threw all the paperwork >> because they get they get the classified handbook and sign and then they get the subet. And then I make them do the E3P. So they kind of get >> So is there anyone else that >> I think everybody Okay. Uh, a motion for item B of trustees of school district to accept the classified handbook as the second and final 2025 2026 school year. I second. Any comments or questions? All those in favor? >> Any opposed? All right. Motion passes. Item C, >> student handbook. My recommendations order student handbook on
026second final reading 2526 school year. It's been out handed out. I haven't got anything from parents. I wanted I was going to go one more month. But in these first couple weeks, I haven't got anything from anybody. So, I think this point I also put on there page due by the 19th, which would be Friday. which I went a second. >> Any comments or questions? >> All those in favor? >> Any opposed? Okay. Item D. Emergency response plan first reading. So I threw in this month our emergency response plan. We haven't updated probably two years and we're supposed to do it every year. Last year I forgot. So I went through and started updating and like just all the people that changed in the last couple years to get names on there and making sure
027the numbers are right. I still think there's a few more numbers I got to check on like KXLF numbers for the most part. That's our emergency response. get it out to you guys too. That one we did in somebody could come in and take over and it's a line with drones pretty similar and asked me to do that because he said as a sheriff if I have two planets it's very confusing. I can't you tell me one thing and I'm trying to memorize too we can just have it the same for both. So the copy is in our packet online. If anybody wants out tonight, you can do that after the meeting and then you can just bring in Tom or you can email him electronic copy. Okay. Motion for IMD. >> Sorry guys. >>
028We might have to trust district 256. update our emergency response handbook. >> Do we have a second? >> Okay. Thanks. >> So, is that why the kept going up because there's so many different reasons for it to go up. >> It's It seems to have calmed down, but drills. >> We were doing drills. >> Disgusted drills. >> We have eight drills a year and so four of those have to be fire drills. Two of them have to be school evac. And then we usually do lock downs. We throw on two lockown. We throw on two earthquakes. And I try to put them in advisory class. We're not taking the core classes and I try to throw like we're going to do a school busy back that we haven't done in years. It sounds like on
029uh Friday we're K through six 7 through 12 different at least younger kids back and then the E3 thing. Yeah, I'm sorry you guys if you're off campus and you get it. I'm sorry. There is a way to silence alarm so that it doesn't go off if you don't want to hear you can choose >> well you start to ignore it >> well and the cool thing about our E3 app guys you know that app I think when we first got it was 500 bucks now it's to about a thousand bucks and we pay bucks a year we all have That first we did like let's just app and we all evacuated everything was fine and we did all through the app and it's all documented everybody checked in like it works >> powerful any
030other comments or questions all right those in favor. Any opposed? All right. Motion passes. Item E, >> board office technology coordinator contract R for 2025 2026 school year. Um, last year was late. She left open it up all summer. We did open in August was the only one that put it forward. So no interview needed. She's the only she wants to do it. We've been trying to because she's new with the secretary work. just everybody's, you know, I know all of us are helping with the technology and helping her kind of ease her into the secretary and then I want to make sure she got too used to we switch to K12 So they're in charge of like big picture people and then Ry's our end district person that should be able to get you
031know 50 60% problems major problems you can call and say hey what do I need help with >> do we have a job >> well I know that was something we asked Lincoln and just it would be I think it would be great if we have one for this position here. Yeah. Like just >> um and more so so we can be like specific and if she decides not to do it then we know exactly like what people are doing. >> Yeah. >> Do you know how many hours a week? It's it depends because it's like the preps at the beginning of year testing getting things uploaded and then whatever gets delegated from K12 that person we're leaving this is what you got to do till we come back next month and right now basically
032the website >> the website's kind of spread out so like the athletic director can take care of the events It takes care of food. Um, I take care of like some of the other things that are more the actual like putting the video on the front, those kind of things. So, everyone has kind of their own little things. So, she won't have the website to do per se. >> She does the weekly newsletter and she does that. Um, so everyone has like a little job. >> Did she do the >> No, that was Kaitlyn. >> Yeah. >> Well, I think just for her wearing a lot of hats. So also too like schedule wise um like set hours is that something that we're not >> well and I think that's why there's excitement because it
033was >> it's an addition to your regular day. So, it's kind of >> we did talk to her about as she goes through it and she starts doing everything that we'll reassess to see how it's progressing and if she is able to do everything or what that looks like or if we need to modify or do something different. >> Well, I think where I'm coming from is the same concern with like that's a big job and making sure that a compensation is fair and b like you don't need to reevaluate the actual position itself, right? It's something that's more than just a second position. >> Yeah, we're giving her the same >> receiving track hours before like Kendra split it. >> Yeah. Kendra part of it. >> I think whoever does it in the district
034maybe the job description could be rewrote to the person because it's so it's different for everybody how they handle it. So it could tweaked it probably. >> Yeah. Let's look at um what we put in for our technology goals from our strategic plan and maybe we can tie in some updates from her to come in and kind of just see is it flowing in the whole plan and what else she might need how many hours she spend we do couple checkins a year that would be great >> like the biggest we were able three drops for classroom fulls so basically you walk into a class three smarts. We're set up now for a while and the next thing we switched over from the summer was everybody was one to one and had home and we
035can't keep on that model like K12 showed some numbers when we're going and we can't afford it because of licensing it's up in the hundreds thousands of dollars changing over so we went back to class cards and only the dual credit kids take the home And then K12 is also asking that we don't allow any students to use personal devices and get on our Wi-Fi schools. So just try to go straight classroom parts as best possible personal devices. >> Yeah. Well, and I think to again just back her job like that, right? Like making sure she's like keeping track of if she spends four hours and she's here till 7 o'clock at night trying to get troubleshooting just so we can make sure that that position is a clear in expectation of job duty as
036well as like compensated fairly. And I that was a concern I have with you as well like hey you know if you have a tech issue like you're going to have to drop stuff and figure this out. So is the compensation adequate for what the job entails? I don't know. Right. She's secretary, right? >> Um, do we have a motion for any? >> My recommendation is that the board offers technology coordinator contract for the 2526 school year. Any other comments or questions? All those in favor. Any opposed? All right. Motion passes. Item F. >> Open up a cross country coaching position. Opportunity showed up where we have a senior that wanted to run cross country. We had a coach Harvey that wanted to coach it. But we went through a process. We opened it up
037to everybody to see if there was more than just one applicant. just say, "Okay, you're hired. Open it up." Nobody else put in. We called them HSA. They said we can have cross country as long as we have a boy go out and girl, you know. So, we have two kids finish and we're starting late and get going, but uh they're both do it cross country and we'll see where it goes. I don't have any younger kids interested right now to try. So, this might be my recommends [Music] are better than like they're predicting. >> Fantastic. >> And this would be just high school or junior high. through anybody. I mean, when I was here, I recruit. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We have a motion for item F. >> Yeah. My recommendation is that the
038board offers a head cross country for the 256 school year. >> And we had the Any other comments or questions? I think that's great. Wish them best of luck. It's awesome. All those in favor? >> Any opposed? All right. Motion passes. Item G. So if we take the thousand board series, take it home, try to review them all, give them a good read, and then next month if everybody's happy with them, we put it on review. But next month, see here's the bad news. Every month we're going to be series and update them. So I I know in the past we've read them here, but I think as big as they are, I think it could be homework and read through and check on. Um I know Catherine and I we've been talking about possibly
039TSBA has policies now and they update them and we have to find them, but they would be constantly updated and kept up on fresh and then we our attendance stuff we do pretty easily and I think going into the future it would save a lot of work on admin and if we have a system like that >> it's definitely easier what we've done in the past is be able to come in for a night and we would sit here and go through all the policies what need to be changed and updated is a little brutal so splitting it up is definitely more manageable I think for all of us Um and then so they don't have to be first meeting. It's just one meeting >> that we reviewed. We reviewed the date school. >> Okay.
040>> Change >> them. Give me the updates and for the next meeting. Let's update this one and we'll do them all hopefully you know come October thousand series of 2000 I think. >> I don't think we've had any thousand series that changed from when we made all those books last year. >> So I think what you guys got in your binder should be the mostated policy >> 1430 is the other district. >> Okay, so that one's all tomorrow. >> So they're in the drive legal status. qualifications of individual district policies and procedures recording procedures voting audience participation ethics for school members interests communications trustee expenses insurance uniform procedure I think that's So, no motion needed necessarily tonight, but next month we'll make a motion to approve the series. >> So, I was looking at 144
041audience participation comments because of things in the past. Um, is this is this like a common polic throughout schools. >> It's standard for all school boards. >> Public comment is just comment because it's not an item under item for action. So, we can't take any action on public comments at all. We it could be added to the agenda the next month, but it's really not a time for discussion or action because it would have to be a line item under items for action. So, it's a chance for anybody to come in to give their comments and then we can follow up after the fact or it can become an item for action. And so I know a little ask questions, you know, other people because it's not for discussion. It's just comments. So we can't
042really change. >> And one of the like one things would be we take action on it because there was a 40 hours notice on agenda because we might have one side but the other sides want to come in. So to give a fair shake, everybody have to be put on the agenda notice everybody. So it could be the start of a process and we would have a month to talk to people or um you figure out what next steps might be or if there is an item for action. We just can't do it in the moment on that >> ad. >> Okay. Um, can we say uh if you have any edits or suggestions for the thousand series to send them all to Tom a week before our next board meeting so that way he
043can get edits into everything >> before our next meeting. Yeah, hit me up with everything. Phone calls, you know, email me, but hit me up with phone call, too, and me a little bit so I don't lose it. >> You're also welcome to copy me. >> Perfect. All right. So, item H. >> So, we've never done this before since I've been here, but hired a substitute list. These are the people that we've trained and people should be hired by the board. So any more subs we get I would throw on is the next month even if we use them because there's going to be times where we're going to need somebody or we're have to pull somebody in. But as long as they get trained by C myself they get that E3 they get the
044classified handbook sign I'm letting the school sub train but officially they're not supposed to work here until you guys prove you're hiring. So as right now substitutes 256 school car Jeff Abbott and she Brown got five more. >> Did she get the train? >> She did come in and fill out paperwork and we went through things even though we'll have to get her started with the E3 and stuff. She's gone through everything. She just >> Yeah, we just have to download and stuff like that. She's coming. >> I feel good. >> Other people get like some days we don't have anybody. It's like who's >> I pull somebody because that's what happens. And we try. Our plan is if we get that to be like they're not going in the classroom till they get to
045walk through and kind of give a heads up before we fingerprint them. >> Yes. >> How about this? You know technology in the classroom some people So does the training address that? >> No, we don't go that far because depending on the teacher >> some teachers like even for example like he might clean shop that day. I usually just go in and check on the sub in the morning and then if they need a crash course >> next door >> almost not quite yet. We have to have a motion first. >> Okay. The board of trustes of school district number one moves to except the board the following substitutes for the 256 year. We have a second. Anyone on the board have any questions or further comments? >> All right. >> Will we would we
046have to have that for us in the kitchen for a sub? Would they have to go through all of that too? >> They would at least need to get the classified E3 and the substitute packet. We're not there yet, but we should make a kitchen because it could be even like check take some high notes. >> Yeah, we're just kind of we're building our own. It's going to take years. >> So maybe as you all go throughout the year, take some notes of what should be included in a packet. What would be helpful for somebody coming in, you can build it as you go. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Sorry about that. >> Okay. All those in favor? >> Any opposed? All right. Item passes. Next item on the agenda is our close
047session. So the next item involves an individual's right of privacy that outweighs the public's right to know. And I will close the meeting for this session. Do you want us to leave our chairs here or do we need to move them to the