001I hereby call to order this committee of the whole meeting for Monday, April 14th, 2025. The time is 8 o'clock a.m. Will the clerk please call the role? Erin Stone here. Bonnie Kim, Allison Pavis here. Amy Paling here. Lisa Schneider Fabes. John Caesaretti here. Annne Hart here. I seek a motion to approve the minutes of the March 10th, 2025 Committee of the Whole and Executive Session meetings. I move to approve the minutes of the March 10th, 2025 committee of the whole and executive session meetings. May I have a second? Second. The motion has been made and seconded. Board members, are there any comments, errors, or omissions to the minutes? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the role? Annne Hart, yes. Alison Pilis, yes. Amy Paling, yes. John Cesar, Ready? Yes. Aaron Stone, yes. Motion
002carries. Wait, Lisa Schneider Faves. Yes. Lisa, if that's okay, Lisa is here remotely for the record. Oh, hi Lisa. Okay. Lisa Schneider Faves. Yes. Thank you. Welcome. Motion carries. We do not have any facility development items this month, so we are moving on to school finance. Mr. Caesar Ready. Thank you, President Stone. So, I'm going to turn this over to Corey to talk about I think bus fees and emergency repairs. John, would you mind speaking up? I'm so sorry. Yeah, bus fees and emergency repairs. Did you hear me, Lisa? Yeah, thank you. Or you'll have to probably do this. Okay. So, the first item I believe is our regular transportation services bid. Um, so we put that out a couple months ago. The bid opening date was March 19th. Um, I'll just talk briefly about
003kind of what we were we're targeting or trying to accomplish. Uh, so the last time that that service was bid out was 2017 um in the early months of that year. Uh so it it had been eight years. Um the laws have changed now where um it used to be uh when you went out to bid it was automatic three years and then you could extend for two and then extend one year at a time forever if you wanted. Um now there's a requirement of bidding. No, you can't go longer than 10 years without bidding. So but they loosened up like what your initial the length of your initial contract. Uh, so we held a pre-bid meeting just to kind of answer questions. We had six companies show up, which I thought was great. Um,
004lots of reasons. You always want to have a lot of interest at your pre-bid meeting, even if somebody ultimately doesn't. Um, you know, the other companies generally don't know that you may not ultimately submit a bid. So, we got two two bids submitted. uh Northshore who has provided our service uh since D39 has outsourced and the encompass transportation submitted a bid on on some item on some of the uh things we were soliciting. So we uh were looking for lots of options and so in the bid package we put out six different requests for six different options. The first three options were varying length and contract, but the the providers could service D39 using the types of buses that um they use now. So, different kinds of of of fuel um whether it's diesel, propane,
005natural gas type stuff. Then we were also considering um knowing that that in some places districts have have started to expand into the electric vehicle bus. So options four, five, and six um we had a little bit of a at least from my perspective a measured you know interest in looking at making part of the fleet electric buses. Um, and so at the bottom of the onepage like summary here, you see kind of like detailed out like by school year what the requirement would be. Um, you know, given that we were doing this in the late winter into the early spring, um, a lot of the information that I've heard over the last few years is that the lead time for for electric bus classes is quite long. So we we didn't have any requirement
006for for potentially year one. And then we were adding either one or two each year with a end goal at the end of year five to potentially get up to roughly half of the buses as electric. Um and the reason we separated that out obviously there's a a huge cost um that goes with any district that's it's heading down that road. So, um, after we opened and and evaluated, um, you know, my my recommendation of where we're at right now, I I've really honed in on option three. It's a five-year contract to continue as we have. Um, it'd be two years at roughly 3% and then three years at two and a half% increases, which all of those are much better than what we've seen um, the last three to four years. Um, one of
007the things to consider, um, you know, the the options four, five, and six, the the renewal percentages are are are quite large every single year. So, one of the things that was shared with us um at the pre-bid in relation to the district seeking out um you know potentially what the price might be for electric, there's two two things that districts would you know probably want to consider. Um one is none of the vendors. So, there's been a lot of talk the last few years about the inflation reduction act and there was some some like federal grant funding to make electric buses a little more affordable to school districts or in cases where they're outsourcing working with vendors. Um none of the vendors at the time of our pre-bid, which was in March, um felt
008comfortable or confident enough to like include any of that funding in their bid pricing. And so they said they were very upfront and they all said when we submit our bid our price is going to be reflective as if there is no there there is no like federal grants or funding because they just weren't confident that when year three rolled around or four or five that that funding mechanism might even be in place. Um, so that was one consideration that they had shared. And since Northshore was the only one that even submitted a bid for the electric option, they had a note on their bid that this was just the price related to like getting the bus. They said from their perspective, they would we would have to negotiate with them on like charging infrastructure.
009Um, and so there is like Kameed does provide a little bit of incentive, but as we know from like projects that we've done, that's just a small part. It's it's not covering the full thing usually. So like there would be even a a larger cost tacked on that at at this point. I mean u so there are some pretty big barriers c on the cost side of the equation um for a district. And then the other feedback that they had provided was um most vendors preferred if they were going to enter into arrangements with electric buses, they prefer to see the contract be 10 years in length. So, um certainly districts can do that, but Hey, Corey, I didn't catch what you said. They prefer what? They prefer the length of the contract to be
01010 years, which is the which is the the max end sure of it. Um, you know, that that would be a, you know, depending upon everyone's feelings, that's a a pretty big change and that's a long that's pretty long commitment. So, anyway, that's kind of some of the uh information that we received. Um, does anybody have any questions about any of those or any of the options or, you know, the potentially doing a five-year contract? Um just to clarify, you're recommending option three. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Oh, Amy, any of our local I mean, I'm just curious. Hey, AIM, I can't hear you at all. I'm just wondering if any of our local peer schools have started using electric buses. This seems pretty cost prohibitive. Yeah, I I don't I haven't heard of any, but that's
011not to say that they haven't. So, I can do a query some update. I I don't need it. I was just curious if you I know in I don't know if it was last year's renewal when I was talking with Northshore or if it was two years ago. I had inquired just at that time like hey we're negotiating what is even the cost because to buy like a full size is 68 to say 72 passenger um you know whether you get brand new or maybe a one or two year old used one it's either just over 100,000 or just below and they were like well we're probably looking at three or four times in cost to buy an one electric bus I think at that time they had shared that in so Northshore is one
012of I I don't know, maybe eight to 10 like subsidiaries of a larger Cook, Illinois Corporation throughout the metro area, I think they said they only had like two in their entire fleet amongst all those companies at that time. This even the places that wanted to like even acquire them, like I said, the lead time is in that one to two year range. Um, I'm sure that'll get better over time, but yeah, it is really challenging right now costwise. Thank you. That's places that I have heard that um have been able to attempt or move in that direction are are places from at least my understanding that own their own fleet and as they're um refreshing or replacing some of the older machines, but then they own it. So the cost a little bit different.
013No, I have a question. Um, and I just want to say like nobody's speaking loud enough except um, uh, Corey. Sorry if you guys would talk louder. So, just being an owner of an EV, um, right? Like the challenges with EVs in the winter in terms of mileage and performance can be substantial. I mean, it just I don't even know how people do electric buses right in the debt of winter. Uh Corey, do are are people feeling confident moving to electric buses even if we're willing to pay for the for the cost of it? I didn't hear any feedback to suggest otherwise. Um now our our provider and their location is fairly it's not in Wilmet but it's I think in a community that borders us. Um we had some requirements of how close their
014facility needed to be. So when we talk about the total mileage um that's certainly for one route that's certainly much different than if we had been in central or southern Illinois and one route is you know potentially 10 to 15 times longer than what we're doing. That could I think that would probably be a different equation, but I think I had not heard that as feedback or or a concern up at least in this part of the state. I I agree that I think it's cost prohibitive, but um just in terms of where I just to understand where are the buses charged during the day? Are they at school or do they go back to where? Okay, they would go back. Yeah. So, you'd have to install the infrastructure here somewhere. No, no. The the
015they would do it like if we if we ever went down this road of electric buses since we're an outsourced district, the charging infrastructure, whatever agreement we come to with that provider would be at their like bus facility. it wouldn't be on D39 property which then lends to as as Krie mentioned like there's kind of a difference between hey like we've invested and now it's ours versus like they have it and if you're do potentially doing bids every you know say somewhere between five and 10 years now they have it that a guarantee they win the next you know so um just a question so look I guess setting the costs aside, as we look to make the recommendation or decision, are there any other subjective factors? For instance, have you been happy with Northshore
016Transit? Have the the performance has been Yeah. So, when we do this bid um compared to maybe like other things that are commodities like supply stuff that you know people could potentially bid out that are commodities where that um evaluation is almost purely based upon price. uh school code require requires us to evaluate these based upon much more than price primarily um reliability, safety and like comfortability of the students. All of which um at least in the the five years that I've been a part of it, like we've been happy. Um yeah, like occasionally you have a a hiccup or a bump, but like um when I think back to those first few years through COVID, um I never like we didn't have any days where we got calls and said, "Sorry, we don't have
017any drivers and your parents are going to have to scramble, right?" Or kids are going to show up an hour late. Um I I heard other stories that that happened a lot at other districts during that period of time. So I felt like we've got we've received really good service in that respect. So I didn't I don't have any reservations about continuing on with Northshore. Great. I think that's really helpful. Thanks an Corey. Did was there any feedback from the other uh people who showed up you know to the initial meeting who didn't submit a bid? Um yeah, so of the six um two of them are really large, another one's not too like as an organization, um another one is not too far behind and the other ones I at least my perception is
018they're perhaps a little bit smaller. Um two of them just didn't let they didn't share any feedback. The other two just kind of sent like letters that said, "Hey, you know, we we reviewed everything. we're just not going to bid at this time. Generally, they don't give a reason, but my experience in this is um you know, as they ask questions and and dive into what the finances of a competitive bid might look like for them. Um compared to like some other services, there are some fairly significant like barriers to entry for a new client or challenges. you've got a in this case we we have our our um current setup is 13 bus routes so okay you probably don't have 13 buses sitting around okay now you got to come up whether it's a
019combination of used buses or new ones for the next year and drivers so I know that that plays into the equation when some of the other larger ones are trying to decide do we bid or not um and I think what I have heard in my career is typically if those companies start to look at it and they don't feel like they can make a competitive number, they generally don't throw out like a really high number. So, thank you. Think you have more to cover? Yes, I do. So on that topic, any other questions before I move on to the next one which is in many ways related to this one. Do you want um guidance today about option three? Correct. So the next steps for this is so we had the bid um they're
020they're required to hold everybody's required to hold their pricing through our April 28th board meeting. Um so I would yes I would like some feedback and then we'll the next step would be that we would bring for action on April 28th um the option that the board is is is willing to approve or want would be open to we're we're hearing option three seems like the the right option to move forward with and recommend at the board meeting. Is that are we hearing accurately? Yes. So yes, that's okay. All right. So the next item is then like how do the transportation fees we charge to our to our families um for next year. So the board has two documents. One is kind of just a summary history. That's more of a reference document um at
021least in my mind. It it shows what the expenditures, the fees, what the loss amount had been per year and then ultimately showing percent covered by fees. So let me share my slides. Okay. All right. So, a couple of these things we talked about in the fall, but then we'll get into like firm numbers. So, this first one shows um you know what our writership has been the last few years as we've started to make adjustments to our fees. Some of those in a fairly significant way. Um you know, for this current school year, we had a 20% bump in fees. We we did see some movement on overall writership um you know, essentially for the first time. So we kind of have that in the back of our mind as we think about charting
022out a course for the next next year and the years after that. Okay. So next up is a comparison to some of the surrounding districts. Always useful to have. Um you see WKA Gleno and and Nutri have already locked in their stuff with board approvals already. VOCA is still working on theirs. Um you see we were you know just behind Waneka and Neutra last year and um you know looks like Gleno had some pretty significant bumps for this for this upcoming school year. Um so those are I think always a nice reference point as we consider what what we might want to do. Okay. So this particular slide looks similar to something that we've shared in prior years. Um, you know, we ended fiscal year 24 at a little bit below 70% of our things
023covered. This current year, we're we're we should end right around that 77 to 78% range. Um, you know, we so that's a that's a that's a good jump in the percent covered. you know, we did see writership dip, but on the cost side, we um because of a little bit lower demand, we had a little bit less in routes um which which can be really impactful. Um so assuming that we can hold writership in the number of routes similar to this year, that's kind of the baseline for our assumptions. So I've got then four assumptions um ranging from 7 and a half up to 15% increase in fees. you see what the roundtrip and one way is for each of those four options. Over on the far right, we see that selecting one of those
024options for next year uh ranges from 81 to up to almost 87% in covered fees. So, if we held writership and the routes level with with those um given that we're looking at a 3% increase, okay, we we're potentially making another jump. Then at the very bottom, we've always had kind of this um eye towards, well, what would we have to really raise those fees to to get to either the 90 or 100% covered levels? Um, you see some pretty significant jumps. That bottom row, um, that's essentially like a 32 to three 33% increase in fees from from right now. That would be I think you would see some large drops in in writership. Okay. So that said, there's the more immediate like feedback we need from the board is okay, what are we setting
025the fees for for the 2526 school year. But also one of the nice things for the first time at least since I've been here is now that we have these firm pricing for up to the next five years we can start to map out with some level of certainty on the cost side where do we want to try and end after this fiveyear period like and chart it out and um potentially it allows the board with what I believe are are fairly fair and low annual incre cost increases um allows the board I think some options that could make like modest in some of those years modest adjustments to the fee side but still make improvement. All right, so I've got four scenarios here, these last four slides. The scenarios like numbers correspond to the
026options on that prior slide. Um so this would be a 7 and a half% increase in year one um to the fees that would jump us up to 81. And then this is just an idea. This isn't like locking anything in, but you see the sec the third column has the cost increase percentage. And I just said, well, what if we just had our fee increase double that? Um, so sixes and fives in the other years. You see us right at I mean right near 90% um of covered expenses by the end of of year five. Scenario two, 10% increase in year one. um doubling the cost side in the next four years and then ending at 91.8. Scenario three 12 a.5% in the first year and then we end at 939 and then 15%
027in the first year and we end at 959. So I mean one of the considerations is right like those percentages for the next five years those are just you know we're projecting out and we're holding steady the the volume of routes that we're offering and that we're that we're able to hold steady on on wrership. So um you know those are the assumptions may or may not happen. Um you know that'll be determined based upon registration each year. So based upon that um happy to happy to answer any questions and I have a question somebody else looking for Lisa. Do you No, you're good. So what percentage of our students use the service? Well that one slide for the current year showed roughly 950. Where are we at Tony? was like 32 33 42 I
028think it's around 20% of students are on the bus I look more like higher than that student okay would you say 33 we have uh 33 42 current so 30 oh more like maybe 3,342 students currently 28% 28% 28% okay okay yeah I I mean I'm I'm I don't necessarily clearly see why we need to get to 90% you know of covered costs if you know a large percent of the taxpayers are actually using the you know the kids uh who send you know I guess taxpayer who send kids to school are using the service that's just my take this is my last committee the whole meeting so I so then John that would mean you're kind of uh looking towards scenario too. I I am thinking a bigger subsidy is in order. Um so
029I don't I think the thousand mark is something that is psychologically a problem. And I also now that I'm pontificating um my assumption is that kids on buses are safer than kids being dropped off at school. But that's just my personal belief and easier to manage. Sure. I mean, I have no idea, but that's just my assumption. So, I just want to jump in here, right? We've had this longstanding belief that if a service or like whatever it is, if it benefits a single child versus the collective, we try and have right the family pay for that service. And we've been moving for years, right, to increase the percentage of um what families pay for transportation because we deemed transportation falling in that bucket. So, um, I'm going to just respectfully disagree with John and
030say, you know, I like the scenario where we try and get to close to 90. And I understand, right, that that things increase, but our costs are increasing. And you know, it feels to me on this contract that we kind of got a good deal given all the uncertainty that we are experiencing as a country. And um so I just want to put that in there. And then if you really divide it per ride feels to me like still a pretty good deal. So Lisa, would you be advocating for scenario one? Yeah. Okay. So scenario one, Lisa, is the lowest amount paid by the families, but it still gets us to 90. Okay. And and look, any scenario gets us there. So, I'm I'm good with any, but I just wanted to counter John's kind
031of thought that the taxpayer should subsidize the ride. Like, right, that that just goes against long-standing kind of precedent and philosophy by the board. Thank you, Lisa. Oh, Erin. Um, I also like scenario one because it of what Lisa said, it gets us to 90, but I think it seems more incremental and less of a big hit in the first year, which knowing what the economy seems to look like right now, I would probably advocate for on behalf of our families. I I completely agree. I think um is an optional albeit heavily used program and so having it be funded by the I mean I'm a parent who makes this decision every year and it's uh I I think it is fair that I cover as much of it as possible and I think going
032I'd be wary of going to a higher option like two, three or four um in this particular climate that feels like I'd be open to hearing what other people thought, but I feel like um given the contract that we're able to accept from Northshore, option one feels like a really good balance of moving in the direction of getting covered. Anyone else? Oh, an um I could be comfortable with with option one, I guess. I I looked back at some of the numbers and it looked like generally speaking, don't hold me to the exact math, but about 15% of a decrease in ridership from 2122. And then I thought, well, that's really not a good year because I don't think a lot of people were necessarily I I think CO still played into putting their kids
033on the bus that year potentially. So now we're down about 20% in ridership versus kind of a quote unquote normal year po postcoid after we took the significant increase. So it seems like we've weeded out a lot of people that maybe had some other easy or options and some of the people that are now riding just don't have that option. It's a it's a lot of money. We hear it about we hear it from um parents often at least I do and you know some children or households are significantly further from High Crest and Wilmet Junior High than others. Um so I guess what I'm saying is the people that are left here we are probably really meeting a a need um versus a nice to have to some to some extent. Um I'm so
034I lean more toward being able to subsidi subsidize, you know, around um the 80% level, but I think we need to talk about is our goal to get to 90%. Um I'm not sure if we have that number on the table. If that's the goal, then I think we need to all agree to that. But um you know at this point I'm lean more toward the scenario number one right and Corey to be clear I think um you were kind of mapping it out the board isn't setting the fees for the next several years they're only setting for the upcoming year with a view toward what that could look like. So, just know to your point, I think it's a really good one that the board will be able to to talk about that and
035consider it each year annually. We really are looking to set it for this first year, but um appreciate the conversation um for kind of what the look ahead might be. Yeah. Yeah. I by doing the multi-year thing, I what I because I felt like the the cost side was we had good bid results this for five years. Um, I wanted everybody to see that like some of these more modest increases in the in the further years, um, you you you know that you can if everything holds steady, you know, with writership like yeah, you can make some incremental and you can make some pro good progress over five years. So yeah, and I guess I'll just say I'm somewhere in the middle also with the it. So I completely agree with what Lisa said about
036the individual student versus the you know population ato at whole. Um but even after the significant changes we have about 30% of our population saying this is important to us. So I just want to factor that in as well. All right. So option one is that everyone okay? We'll bring that to the board meeting for approval then. Thank you. Okay. All right. One last item. Um so back in September, I had mentioned that um what started out as a couple small repair projects um over at Central with one of the boilers um ended up requiring more work and with the timing of finding out related to the beginning of heating season and lead times, the total cost ended up exceeding 50,000 which is the bid bid threshold for capital projects. So I'm just going to
037quickly review um what what what we had planned to do. So we each of our buildings we have either two or three boilers at central we have two and um there to get when those boilers are running there's a significant amount of water that's flowing through them and through our whole heating and cooling systems. Um at every building but central um they had what what we refer to as isolation valve. So if you one of the boilers had a leak or needed a repair in the middle of the winter, you could turn the turn the water like isolated from water like the water flowing through the rest of the building would keep on. We didn't have that at Central and so we knew like later in the the season two winters ago that there was
038something going on with one of the boilers and but we had to wait until the summer but we knew that getting the isolation valves installed. So the plan was to do the isolation valves. That was 11,500. And then once they opened it up after we drained the boilers, that was usually happens in May. We realized that there's a bunch of um long tubes in there. We that several of them had rusted out and they had holes in them. And so we needed to re essentially we we're going to replace them. So reub the boiler. That was 21,000. So we're still well below 50. However, when the the mechanical contractor got in there during the summer and was doing the re retubing work, they realized that because some of the damage to the tubes, it ended
039up damaging the burner to that particular boiler to the point that it needed to be replaced. Um, and that particular item was 49,000. So, that's what pushed us over. And at the time we found out in the summer um you know if you were doing if we had known all this ahead of time you would engage architects engineers they would draw up some specs and you'd put it out to bid. Well that creates lead time. Lead time that we didn't have because the burner part at the time that we found out that we needed to replace it took us to the very beginning of heating season. And so we made a decision to place the order for the burner and um that ended up coming and getting installed. I think we were running heating on
040one boiler for maybe a few days or a week or so. Um so that was in October. Um so the process is then when you have these emergency expenditures that exceed like uh school code uh purchasing requirements is once the projects once the items are done and you've paid the vendors and you know firmly what the costs are um you bring a resolution to your board for approval after the fact. Um we've we've done this once before. Central had a emergency roof repair on one of the sections a few summers ago. So, at the April 28th meeting, I'll bring forward a resolution. It'll state out um the total cost and the vendors used. The total was 83,132. Um so, that's that's what happened. Um you know, uh the the nice thing is is at least
041talking with our maintenance team, that particular boiler now, other than the outside shell is is essentially new. So, which gives us um some extended life, which is nice. So, um and we're going to inspect the other one this summer to see if some similar work might need to be done. So, then those both of those boilers are in really good shape. So, anybody have any questions about any of this? It's a little different than what we normally run into, but um it is something that can happen. Thanks, Corey. I think that was good. I don't see any questions. Thank you. Turn it back to you, President Stone. Thank you, Mr. Caesar. Ready? Feeling a little, you know, nostalgic. This is your last miss you all. Finance situation here. Okay. Um, we do not have any
042strategy items. So, this would be the opportunity for the public to address the board. Um, I do not see any public here. So, we will move on to old business. Is there any old business? Now we're moving on to new business. It looks like we do have at least one item which is the intergovernmental agreement proposal with the village of Glen View. I think am I turning that over to Dr. Kremoli? Yep. And I will introduce uh Tony Deonte who will just give a quick overview of what this is all about. Yep. Thank you. Uh as you may recall on October 28th we walked into a intergovernmental agreement with the village of Pulmet uh which encompassed a variety of different items within that reciprocal reporting key access security cameras uh guidance on body warning cameras
043among a few other things. Well um as we heard we have 300 or 3342 students um currently enrolled uh 205 of those students actually reside in the village of Glen View. Uh we've never had an intergovernmental agreement with Village Glen Blenview before and we want to um because we are required to do that if we want to be able to share information in the event of something criminal in nature or there's a possibly a DCFS call after hours or just some kind of uh community of care kind of reach out between us and uh the uh Glen View Police Department, excuse me, police department. uh they have uh an SRO that is identified for that particular area. His officer uh Maize, Dave Maize, and we want to make sure that he has the same relationship
044with Ramona Highston Junior High that officer Val Davis does with with all of six of our schools. So, uh there are going to be two pieces in this agreement. One is reciprocal reporting, which we need to have in order to communicate thoughtfully, and the other is security camera access. And that is because the village of Glen View through their Glen View public safety dispatch center uh now dispatches for the village of Wet. So in the event of eminent threats or danger uh we need them uh to uh go into our cameras in order to direct officers in order to uh hopefully save lives. So um Village of Wet has that capability because we want their officers too from squad cars or what have you. Uh, but we also want the the dispatchers over in Glen
045View now to do so. So, as a reminder, I think I've said this before, as of January 1st of 2025, Village of Glen now dispatches for WMET for police and as of January 1st, 2026, they're going to dispatch for fire in Wilmet as well. So, we want to make sure they have access to what they need. We took the sections that we had that you approved in October and just presented those uh to Glen View. they had no issues with them. So the language that would be in this IGA is identical um to what you already approved in October. It's just it's going to be presented to them, presented to you. Um you approve, their village council approves, and then we uh we have that agreement with them. Are there any questions in regards to
046this IGA with the village of Glend? So would would we be approving this on the 28th? You would be. So, what I'd like you to do is approve on the 28th ideally and then it'll go to their village council for their next board meeting after you approve. Okay. Board members, any questions or comments? Just sounds like a good idea. Yeah, it's probably overdue. Thank you, Lisa. Thank you. Yeah, thank you for your attention to this. So, I think you you have the go-ahhead for the 28th. Great. Is there any other new business? Okay. Then I seek a motion to adjurnn to executive session to discuss collective negotiations, specific personnel, and special education individual student matters. I move to adjourn to executive session to discuss collective negotiations, specific personnel, and individual student matters. May I have
047a second? Second. Motion has been made and seconded. Will the clerk please call the role? Allison Pavis, yes. Amy Peeling, yes. Lisa Schneider Fabes, yes. John C ready. Yes. Ian Hart, yes. Aaron Stone, yes. Motion carries.