2024-08-19 301 BOE Live Stream

001e e e I like to call tonight some eating order Mandy can you take a roll call aif here ful presid Hil here no here pepis here FY here Gman here I need a motion in second to approve the agenda so second jeez audio aif yes Fulk yes Hil yes Nolan yes papis yes FY yes Gorman yes motion is carried business manager flug is here and she's going to go over any changes to the proposed Northern cane budget so typically there is no new changes to the budget usually the state gives us our number before when I'm presenting the Tena to budget um there is one change that on the revenue side um revenue and expenditure side that you'll see in a second um but tonight I'm just asking you to formally approve the fy2

002budget um it's been posted for its 30 30 days and um and then I will after if it's approved then I will deliver it to everywhere so in the slide the only slide that changed we did create a budget revision here so you can see that we um shifted a little bit of some benefits um because we had some better estimates come in and then the um for the CTE Grant we got 714 197,000 or $197 extra um each School District that belongs to the northern cane is getting a 100,000 for each school and then there's 308 just sitting there for um other projects that any of these districts could get depending on um their plans and what they can actually come to fruition so that's the only change on the budget and then then

003if I jump ahead um to this Slide the new dollar amount for the CTE Grant is just over two million so 2 um 34 million um so the ending beginning balance was $445,000 and it's still ending with that because we just increased the expenditures anticipating that they would spend that money and then here's a new breakdown of the grant allotment um and you can just see that it's literally 100,000 added to each one of those schools from the tenative budget and that's the only revision to the budget there was nothing else made to the Perkins Grant um and you can see it's reflected here again on this slide any other questions thanks public comment oh it's just information sorry yeah no public comment for this meeting I have any motion second to adjourn so move

004second uh Hulk yes pil yes Nolan yes papis yes FY yes a yes Gorman yes motion is carried we got like six minutes before we start the next meeting so you can Mingle great e e e Manny can you take roll call a here Fulk pres pil here Nolan here papis here BBY here Gorman here a motion in second to approve tonight's agenda till moved second aif yes Fulk yes Hil yes Nolan yes papis yes FY yes Gorman yes the motion is carried please join us in reciting the Pledge of Allegiance Al the United States of America and to the for it stands Nation indivisible with liy and justice for all thanks to everybody who came out tonight and thanks to those watching at home Dr B yeah thank you for everybody who was watching

005as well as those out there I also wanted to give a special thank you to is Dan pawe here uh to Dan pawe and his his crew uh they done a lot of work in getting the buildings ready he was instrumental in helping us with our kickoff today uh but they buildings grounds M his cre has been very very hard at work trying to get uh classrooms ready builds with buildings ready stuff on the out exteror we did a lot of stuff with playground so thank you Dan and make sure your team knows how much we appreciate it thank you um also want to thank the administration team um obviously the summer has been full of a lot of work trying to get ready uh for the year and so I appreciate the work that

006all the administrative group did uh my cabinet team really did a lot uh today to try to get the kickoff uh we're dressed like this not usually normal attire for us uh but we did have our school kickoff um today for all districtwide so a lot of things were happening as our teachers came back so um we're thankful to having me back and and ready to go so um thank you all for coming out tonight Dan's team won the contest the costume contest to with all bright orange shirts today for all of his facilities and grounds buildings and grounds it you guys looked very good I liked it we're gonna move on to public comment I believe the first person up was Michelle Shuda all right good evening everybody good luck this week going back

007to school very exting a30 million ref on ballot in November after a95 million referendum was Solly defeated in March I have a hard time weing that the proponents of this new referendum will change the minds that Ved what will be theils I like when the referend failed inch there was no or consideration or backup as what do we next so if this ref is going to be put on a ballot which I know you're going to be voting on tonight I'd like to know what your backup plan is I think that's important what would be the board's willingness to consider a less cly new construction solution to the overcrowding at the elementary level I think as a citizen in this District I just want to share with you why I would vote Yes I would

008vote yes if you would be building a new elementary school because I feel as though that's where our issue is now I would if this Elementary School would be put where the population is in our district over towards elent I've lived here for 22 years I live across the street from Central High School everybody said oh in 20 years the that's where the grow is I was disappointed when the land was purchased to the current high school and middle school because we spend an awful lot of money on busing there is land available or miles closer to Elgen here in of our school district I get it we're Central those buildings are in the central geographical location of our district but all the people and the children are over there Bu The New School along

00947 if it's a Middle School a high school or an elementary school we're going to just be busing more kids out here when alreadying kids to hbt and they live away I live where I live because I said be a great place for children to grow up and school the schools are right AC the street and yes one year my child had to take a 45 minute bus ride to go to PK but I was theol were close to my house that's the decision that I as and there so many people in this school district that would say yes I want my child to go to a school that is next to our house so keep the schools over that's what I would vote Yes for but right now a30 million high school here 47

010I'm still a thank you all right thanks next up is Jee Meyer hang on hang on thank you well how did that happen that it was not on for her okay thank you though Jean Meyer resident Christian representatives of we the people you board members are supposed to be transparent bringing issues to the people so we can give an educated opinion so that you can represent us I was unable to attend the special meeting last week and was disappointed not to be able to see rsps analysis of our facilities and enrollment prior knowing that attendees would be in the dark and unable to make informed public comment before the meeting comments I heard from two attendees I felt like they were going to do what they were going to do and disregard public input they

011spoke as if they were the only ones in the room end quote second comment I felt exactly the same way and quote surely I thought the board will make sure to give the public time to review and comment but was told the decision was made at the special meeting to go back to referendum for a new high school looking at the agenda today I see the referendum can now be for a price tag of 224 million and we still have the those two field houses and that's expensive and redundant and this question begs to be asked why are we proposing a huge school to replace the 15-year-old Prairie NS middle school or the 30-year-old Central High School when RP's data shows we only possibly are going to see 742 new students in the next decade

012with 60% of that completely dependent on the pingry creek subdivision moving ahead quickly we don't know if it will in the next 5 to 10 years I've spoken here in the past on why we have elected officials representative government in our marvelous constitutional republic with so much Bounty and so much Freedom major and costly decisions should be made by this board and require public input and major discussion and are not to be made by unelected officials we hold the board accountable by voting them out if we need to um I recall coming to the board meeting after the last referendum failed to find a new addition to the high school had commenced with no chance for the new board discussion or public input this is not how representative government is supposed to work the school

013district belongs to the taxpayers in our district and to no one else finally new topic from an ex transgender breaking news the US Supreme Court has blocked by five to four vote the Biden Harris Title Nine rewrite which would affect it which affect all schools getting public money um this would have allowed men into women's sports bathrooms locker rooms dorms and compelled speech uh with pronouns you each know the agenda is wrong and sinful and yet we never hear a word opposed to it you you will soon be standing on the losing side as more transgendered students who have detransitioned with irreversible physical and mental damage um God knows your heart and do what's right for our students and start speaking up thank you thanks J all right move on to action reports any motion

014second to discuss and approve the consent agenda some second so included in your board packet are your revenue and expenditure reports revenues are currently at 3% 3.09% compared to 3.84 a year ago um expenditures are at 9.41% compared to 7.57 a year ago uh we received impact fees for 164,00 for 13 new home starts um no transition fees came in since the last board meeting uh bills payable report for both Northern cane and Central are typical for the month of August um in included in Central's report is um shes mcnut construction for 1.7 million both of our audits have started for Central 301 and Northern cane um they're moving really fast um I think the fastest I've ever seen them move um so we're cranking through stuff and I'm still anticipating some clean audits for

015both any questions for Dan on that right Fulk yes mempo yes Nolan yes papis yes vuli yes a yes goret yes motion is carried next we need a motion second to to excuse me to discuss and approve the northern King County Regional locational system budget for the 2024 to 2025 school year I'll moved second so right before this meeting we had the um the public hearing to talk about one change that there was for this the revenue um there was no public comments and we're just asking for formal approval here Hil yes Nolan yes papis yes FY yes aif yes Fulk yes Gorman yes motion is carried next the motion in second required to discuss and approve the tenative budget for Central 301 for the 2024 to 2025 school year so moov second let sorry

016get while this is pulling up tonight I'm presenting um the tenative budget for fy2 um for Central 301 asking you to formally approve it um it was put on display on Friday and it's been out on the front um front office for other people to to view it was posted in the newspaper um let me get this okay um it'll be on display for 30 days um sorry and then uh public hearing will be held before September 23rd's meeting just after a 30-day so just a recap a quick summary of 23 24 um revenues exceeded expenditures and all the funds except for the education and on andm funds um this was mainly due to the Central High School classroom addition which we knew we were going to be dipping into our own fund balances for

017that that fund um we're starting out this FY 25's budget with positive fund balances um and then with the reserves that are there these are the reserves that we built up over the years to help us with capital projects and any other future ones that we we have coming up um some major capital projects that we completed last year or they're almost to be completed so a big chunk of the money was spent in 24 even though there's some residual in 25 um the high school classroom Edition most of the exterior is all done um we know the things that are still outstanding and then the generators were completed there's a little tiny bit of money that fell into this fiscal year but those are um completely done and then a lot of the stuff

018that we plan for fy2 we try to purchase a year in 20 in May and June to try to get most of that into 24 when we could just to re use up some of these reserves um that's been our normal practice this is um the budgeting philosophy it hasn't changed um in the past uh I don't know how many years um number one reason we're here is for our students and making sure that they have what they need to be able to succeed um and then making sure the staff have the tools that they need to to teach the students the things that they need to learn um so that's our our top priority and then in the circle around it we have to be sensitive to our taxpayers um we have to maintain

019our Reserves um when we maintain our fund balances it gives us a steady cash flow so when money our Levy starts to be used up throughout the year in in May and June we get that next payment but during that time our cash flow gets really tight um so the reserves help us make sure that we don't have to go out for tax anticipation warrants um those can um cause you to pay for interest that you don't need um we've not had to do that in many many years and then it strengthens our bond rating so when you do have to go out for a referendum um it gives you a better tax rate um on the interest that you're going to or not tax rate it gives you a better interest rate on the

020taxes that or on the bonds that you you get um and then you also get a higher state recognition so at a four a zero to four scale we've been 3.8 3.9 for the last 10 years um and then we just try to be fiscally responsible with our purchases um trying to safeguard the assets that we have um and make sure that they're all staying where they should be these are um some of the key points um with the budget you have um revenues and expenditures mixed up on here your top revenues come from your local property taxes and your evidence-based funding um which is a state revenue um expenditures your biggest thing is your salary and your benefits um not surprised because we're in people that's salaries teachers all of them um and then

021you also have your bus leases and your bus Fuel and your technology and your um property insurance and your special ed tuition so those are some of the big ticket items that fall in all of these buckets and along with all of our Capo projects this slide shows um the sources of revenues kind of broken out by local state and federal um a lot of these they don't change sometimes we may get a new grant that might flip either on the state revenue or the federal revenue um these ones have been on here um I don't think there's any new ones that we have that has come on here but you can see in the local you have your property taxes your registration fees your Athletics your lunches your impact fees state is the evidence-based

022funding then you've got some grants you got the Career Tech Ed Grant and then you have um special ed private facility and your orphanage and then your transportation your regular special transportation and on the FED side you have all of your title grants you have title one two three four you have your idea grants which are special ed grants we have a preschool and a flowr grant we have Medicaid and our Perkins and our national school lunch so in the budget there's always assumptions trying to project what we're how how the budget is kind of put together um local taxes we've usually receive about 49 to 50% in the fall and the other remaining in the spring so we're projecting the same 50/50 split um and then our local taxes are approximately 65.8 million that

023includes the bond and interest for evidence-based funding we're projecting it to be 14 m765 th000 for fy2 we're getting an additional $2.7 million um we're still in tier one in the calculation so that means that we're still in the poor um and mainly it's due to our enrollment numbers just increasing so um for the state categoricals same budgeting that we've done the last I don't know how many years um they're delayed one payment so we're still going to I'm projecting we're going to get that last one that's owed to us from last year this year and then three for the remaining so I don't see them making a five payment to ever get out of this cycle so this cycle is probably going to just continue um unless they don't pay um impact fees we're

024projecting at 1.3 million um last year we received 1.5 um there's a lot of new houses out there so we're just I'm projecting 1.3 um and then transition fees we projected at 50,000 which is what we received last year these are the seven main objects for expenditures so in the expenditure side of the budget you have um all of your functions so you have all of your different departments that break out the budget but then the next layer in the account series is your object so this will tell you the the salaries the benefits the purchase Services supplies outlay Capital outlays the non- capital and the dues and fees so each one of those boxes have different account numbers in the account as we know salaries and benefits make up a major part of any

025school district's budget so here you can see that salary salary and benefits make up 63% of our total budget um in all of our operating funds this doesn't fluctuate very often um I think it's been 62 um I think it might have been 64 so it's 6 63% this year and this slide illustrates um a breakdown by all the funds so you here you can see the education fund that's where it's the biggest where the most expenditures that's where all almost all of the teacher salaries come out of there um then you've got your next biggest piece is your on M fund which is your operations maintenance that's all of your buildings cost and your um custodian salaries um and then Transportation would be the next biggest on the expenditure side for theum assumptions these

026ones are mostly all the same um you we adjusted for the best and the ca salaries that are in the contract we adjusted for the benefits um for the cost increases for the medical insurance and some new enrollments on the Staffing side we adjusted for all the staff that we currently have and any open positions that we have um in the capital projects um the 20 classroom Edition the district off office uh finishing out the renovation there and then any possible if there's a new school after tonight's discussion uh modular units um if needed we did um Paving throughout the district so all of that money will come out of this year's budget um and then we just have any other major projects we have on our list of of things to get done we

027just have to see how much we can afford and just keep chunking off our list and then the increased cost in the bus fuel um property insurance is through the roof this year um special ated tuition increased quite a bit this year so those are some of the Heavy Hitters that changed tremendously um and all of that's been accounted for in this budget um this slide just shows you some of the top salaries um kind of just elementary middle school high school classroom salaries Athletics and then the total education fund salaries at 34,9 th000 this slide is a little bit more of the education fund it kind of just a couple departments the food service department at 1.9 special ed at 6.5 and the technology budget at 2.8 um total education expenditures are 61 million

028262 just going to go back one slide oh no on that sorry this one so that that's about half of it right the salaries and athletic salaries the other half of that 17ish million is all of our other support staff correct yes just to clarify okay um this slide is your on M fund that's where you have all your custodial grounds and maintenance um you have your services your supplies and the capital outlay the projects that we have listed in the actual detail budget but and then the total on andm expenditures is $1 14.4 million Transportation fund same thing you've got your salaries at 2.5 million you got bus leases you've got fuel small contingency built in there and your total for transportation is 6.6 million your remaining funds have um your debt Services your

029bonds um this year we have a big Bond payment it's 9.4 million um we have irf capital projects on there and then our tort which is where our property insurances in our legal work comp at 1.1 million how has that fluctuated over the past few years for the Tor fund um it's increased um property casually is huge um you have to remember when you um we built and the new buildings you add more buildings you're going to add more insurance that you have to put on there um and then just the overall insurance with all of the whole Statewide getting more expensive it's crazy I think it was a 15 to 18% increase so this chart demonstrates um our un audited fund balance and the beginning fund balance for every fund um is the first

030the second column um then you have your revenues over your expenditures so it shows you if your revenues were positive um you have a positive number if you were going to spend more than revenues coming in you'd have a deficit um did I skip the slide sorry I skip the slide okay this makes so here you have your projected revenues and then your projected expenditures and then the difference between the the two so you can see that the onm transportation and Tor fund all have deficit spending um on andm is still the residual of the high school addition that we knew that we'd be dipping into the fund balances the other two are just because the increase in costs in those funds um they both have fund balances so you'll see on the next slide

031that we still end in a positive fund balance um even with these these negative balances so now you have um your audited un audited fund balance in the First Column and then you have the differences from the prior slide in there and then it'll show you where your projected FY 25 ending fund balance is going to land so they will all still have a positive fund balance was there anything striking to you in any of the funds as far as differences from p years other than what was expected um no surprises no I think um the the Property and Casualty Insurance is a lot and the special ed tuition was a lot um those two were the biggest that was like holy cow you know those were big um but the rest most of them

032are known in line with what we would expect y so my normal statement here is we get this money this is actually for next year's we don't have all this money just sitting in our B this is money that's allocated for next year's expenses your Levy is your Levy receipts yes so what we receive in May and June that 50% is for next year's for FY 26 is expenditures yes so that Levy so these are inflated in that number correct yep making sure I still understand it 12 times a charmm y um so this slide just kind of shows you your our just other issues and concerns that we have to keep in mind um obviously we all know our building capacities are we're out of space um any with these new students you have

033FTE increases because you have more teachers that are needed when sections are splitting um the transportation still I mean we're making doe with where we're parking them but at some point we're going to have way too many buses that we need another solution for the storage of those buses um and then the rising cost we already talked about with the um insurance and the the tuition stuff um supply chain delays is not as bad I know food service has a little bit um we're waiting on the some kind of whatever the electrical for the high school edition um or the HVAC whatever that piece was and then the last two those two haven't changed they're still out there every time I go to a meeting they're still talking about it um I don't think there's

034any movement on it so I don't not that concerned with it for this next fiscal year um but there's always new legal mandates and things that we have to implement so we're always watching it we're always monitoring it um making sure that we stay stay up with it so that's it any questions so if we purchase mobiles that comes out of capital projects correct okay so that's why you increased come out of capital projects or onm there's a like a capital projects line in the onm fund yes y okay any other questions for David thank you right Nolan yes papis yes buy yes AI yes pulk yes pil yes Gorman yes motion is carried all right next a motion in second to discuss and approve the Hazardous route for per review grade school so moved

035second so included in your board packet um is a memo to approve the prayview one it's been established uh many years ago um annually we have to re uh approve it um so that's what we're just asking for you to approve that one the version that we have is 71717 in here 2017 just same one over and over resubmit it there's nothing else we don't even resubmit it you just need to it y so the other ones that we did last month um they we sent a certified mail we received the certified copy back so we know that they received it um it said I think when I was reading it it said they had 30 days for them to respond so we've not heard back but then next year next month when we do

036we'll report it out um not nothing for you to act on but then next year when we do this you'll have all of them on there okay so all right maybe pepis yes fuli yes aif yes Fulk yes Hil yes Nolan yes Gorman yes motion is carried really quickly while we're un busing I just want I don't know if Esther mentioned Pam Porto and certainly all the hard work that she puts in the beginning of the year I spoke to her today at um when we were up at the high school and so it sounds like she's feeling good for the most part about where team is and she always puts in so much work to navigate our busing system and you know all the kids and you know so I appreciate that so I

037Thank you Pam yeah she does a great job she's done a good job of getting Staffing this ready to roll so she feels very confident of the school year compared to last year at the end of school year all right we need a motion second to discuss and approve the handbook for the 2024 to 2025 school year so moved second to add to the so the amb came forward last month for you take a look at they gave you the Chang within the handbook um for the recommendations remembering this year that we took all of the different handbooks with elementary and middle school and high school combined them together in a one handbook so they're all on Compass as well as dependencies that are part of that they go home within the first few days

038of schools of students starting school um for signatures with parents so is there any questions from last month to this month w oh yes I did not hear my name first thank you put your Ling ear on yes pil yes Nolan yes papis yes Gorman yes motion is carried right so before we get the next motion we got to discuss this to figure out which motion we want to make if we want to make you pick one first and then discuss is that what you're saying we going to discuss first and then discuss first then Pi yeah all right so since I wasn't there you know I listened to the discussion floating around in the Caribbean trying to do my best to listen to that while I was on vacation uh so I'm curious just

039from your Collective perspective you six what your thoughts were about the presentation and take the presentation uh gave us like a very detailed uh explanation of of information that the administration had provided to us but without necessarily all the kind of uh uh like social science and yeah and theal component so um when I walked away from that special meeting what I essentially saw was you know that RSP told us that yes we are going to see this growth we're going to outgrow our facilities we're going to need to um build something thing and it provided the data behind sort of some of the assumptions that we made U more uh in a rudimentary fashion but it didn't change the fundamentally the fundamentally what needs to happen and what the repercussions will be if we

040don't do something that was my takeaway anybody else just out of curiosity I think one of the other takeaways was you know they talked about a facility master plan um more than once and I know in the community it's been mentioned also about that and so me personally I could admit me coming from corporate I don't know a lot about that so I'd have to lean on some of my Educators I don't know Jennifer do you know anything about that or I just I just need more detail around that or understanding in having experienc that before I can I can give you a quick rundown and I could talk all night so I'll keep it to like five minutes three um so for the facilities master plan what it really is is yes we need

041a building we have kids in mobiles we are losing instruction time our class sizes are too all these things are happening because we don't have space um you take an objective Outsider because let's be honest every single person in this district has a bias you all want to do the best for the kids in the building and a outside Source similar to what you did for RSP who facilitates it would be able to gather committees made up of District admin building admin community members Park District staff parents uh teachers support staff high schools whoever at the whole gamut um and there are three main buckets that go into that that I experienced um bucket number one is um what's going what do you need inside these buildings new building current buildings your admin at the

042buildings know these things because they're in there every day um what how are the learning spaces prioritized do we need more for SP adaptive PE theater uh stem class whatever it is pltw whatever um and then I'm sorry project Le the way I teacher speak um also playground spaces everything what what do we need um the other bucket is the actual physicality of it h how do we do these things the design how do we change schools what do we need in main projects what's coming down the line do we need to replace HVAC are you know from all the buildings so that's bucket number two prioritizing your stuff bucket number three facilit like facilitating focus groups the getting everybody involved and having surveys done and whatnot but you have to have an objective third

043party do it because you need somebody out of who's in the thick of it also people who should not be involved with this because it would be presented to us is the superintendent and the Board of Education because we are the ones who would be sitting here getting the presentations we should not have our hands in any of it to let everyone else have a voice and then things are prioritized and then they come to fruition from there so that's kind of my overarching what I've experienced in a nutshell would be present though like would we be present at these I want to add to that that um so I looked I I looked that up uh the facilities master plan what what goes into it I looked at district 303 they did it and

044um like basically uh a facilities master plan from from what I saw from 303 it's it's it's a a plan that describes a state of the district's infrastructure it details the capacity of the school buildings uh within the district and it forecasts Trends to determine future student populations um when 303 did it they engag the community they engag the administration they engaged the Board of Education district 303 engage RSP to get a forecast of the future and I looked at everything that they did and they called it a facilities master plan and then I went to the central 301 net referendum website and we didn't call it a facilities master plan process but we did many if not all of the same things over the past two years that ultimately goes into that now we

045didn't come out with a uh document called a facilities master plan but the fundamental topics issues and concerns and data that goes into that a lot of it we've done since I think we started this in what November of 2022 so um that's that's what I took away from it so I know that um the gentleman from RSP you know in his document talked about having this but and and I had the same question I'm like well what is it right and when I looked into it and then I compared it with all this work we've done the last two years I I kind of walked away thinking you know we we we've done a line share of that I ask guys one thing but really quickly because even the master plan that they did

046in 2017 already got blown up when they closed Fox Ridge and now it's reopened right so that's the whole thing too you can do whatever you want their Dynamics are still unpredictable right and that was a huge you know they that twice in seven years essentially which is pretty significant um and then what's Rob right was that his name what's Rob's take on the idea of a facilities master plan and how that would overlap with what we've already done and ie I'm thinking of V diagram right like what is what would be needed to be done what would be presented in a different way that would still be under the umbrella of a master plan that we already have done to Jay's Point yeah so one of the things I did talk to I called

047Rob and talked to rob a little bit about hey I know you mentioned this what does this look like the board was questioning some of those things and according to Rob we've done most of it um he believes that if you take a look at the design that we had done for the new high school and you compare it to what we currently are experiencing with the current High School holes that we see or you look at Middle School programming you look at the challenges you're having there where is the need in the district what is it that you're looking for he's only going to come out and tell you the exact same thing that we've already done what we know is our need um he obviously is more than willing to work with us

048and is willing to have a look at some of those types of things in parallel with where we're at today but he does not think there's anything that's going to be massively different than what we've already taken a peek at and what he's found throughout his own presentation what we've already discussed right CT labs are important trying to find Encore extra exploratory spaces the facility when they talk about functional capacity he used our class sizes that we have in our CA the reality is that we know in a high school setting most of our classes don't run at 30 you know we have some classes that run at 30 but when you take a look at our AP classes honors classes specialized classes u in English math any of those they're running somewhere between 15

04918 students per class and so when you're running them at that level English one English two those ones that are we can make those 30 because every kid has to take those when you start to break into sectioning of coursework that kids choose or want to take those numbers go dramatically down so to do a functional capacity at 30 per classroom we're never going to fit into that kind of a building inside of a high school it's not how a high school functions a high school functions in giving students choices High School functions where the students are at High schol functions and making sure you're meeting the demands of those kids that are inside your classroom uh whether it's a special education student a student that's in the honors track somebody in the general education

050additionally they have exploratories and one of the the goals of the district has been to maintain programming or options for our students so that they have um opportunities to experience things prior to exiting our doors so they're not going off into either a career or college and not having an idea of what they're connecting to and so making sure we we have those opportunities for our students has always been one of the elements we have we've done Regional Pathways we work with u46 District 300 303 is going to join board with us uh in 2526 to offer more opportunities that requires us to have our kids exit our doors drive to wherever they're going we take them he usually takes a class or two out of their sectioning uh because they have travel time we

051work joined with Fox Valley Career Center out of Maple Park which is cin School District to provide other opportunities again that takes them usually they lose two sections um that one's the third section out of their schedule where they have to reduce what they can actually take because a travel time um and so I it's the ODS of what do you want to offer what is it that we want our kids to have for an experience and what gets us to be able to provide that educational experience for our students one of the things that I know um has come across in my email as well as I think it's been on the Internet is the discussion relevant to three options that has been put forward um for $80 million the problem with those options

052are very very large partly I've talked to our civil engineer who works with um the grounds and all of our parking stuff at the high school and the parking issue isn't easy um my understanding from our civil engineer who actually has his partner constructed the high school when it was built and I'm going to try to do the best I can to explain this I do not understand at all they took good dirt from where the current spot that is just south of the entryway and they move that good dirt to put it where we put the building when they constructed it and they moved what they call bad dirt but they call it something different to that spot so they would have to do soil boring um the obviously the um retention and detention

053that we have to maintain and Dan can probably talk more about this than I could but the retention and detention that you have to have in preparation for the hundred-year flood which is a requirement would would either require to do underground if we had to Su or getting rid of that according to our civil engine which could be expensive or trying to make it much larger which would take up land from other areas um that we currently don't have a lot of spots there um you know you could try to use Central Middle School as a thing the distance there is problematic uh to try to get kids back and forth to the schools um so it's all those different challenges that we come up with so parking isn't an easy fix and is not

054as an ensive as people might think it seems easy we can just put a parking lot in that's not the reality of where we live because of how they use that land when they constructed and some of the other detention or uh retention issues we have with the mandates of those um types of things within the county and the government um when we look at you know I know they said to eliminate hallway lockers we could do some of those hallway lockers and put locker blanks but that's a lot of money where you going to put the locker Banks we don't have they say to expand the the hallways well our hallways are set they're finite we can't move our walls out so to remove lockers from where they're they're encased inside the wall and

055put locker Banks somewhere in the center I'm not sure where we' put those our hallways right now are not broad enough or wide enough to be able to do that uh so that could be problematic um we could look at traditional cafeterias I don't think you're going to get that much more seating there um and then the issue is we still have an auditorium that's way too small we you know we can keep running different programs but the auditorium is too small for that size building in addition to we do not have the Career Tech education lab spaces that we need even though we're putting on the 20 classroom addition it does not come out to 30 time 20 which is 600 kids it's the reality of it um where we're at anybody who's at

056the high school this year can tell you we're out of space right now we will open that wing for classrooms it doesn't take care of the other programs that we have one of the other things they said is we could put on 8 12 classroom Edition to perel Middle School sure we could do that the problem is if been to pero Middle School we snake kids and we snake parents all the way to the back of pero Middle School to get them off nestler we had a massive Traffic Challenge at PR middle school but to snake them all the way to the back of our school just to get them around you had more kids there I don't even know how we're going to handle the traffic pattern the other issue with pero Middle School

057is where we put that addition where where it's automatically going to go up takes care of our busing spots you just heard we have a busing issue where are you going to store the buses where you going to drop off the kids how you not kind to cross over where those kids are seating kids are coming in and out safety patterns are an issue so you have a traffic pattern issue you have a Bus Loop issue you have pickup and drop off issues you have spaces for electives more kids you have we can build but what are you g to do on elective space we have finally with have one art room we have a music and a band room we have CTE spaces but you're going to have to put more spaces on because

058where are you going to put those kids for electives you going to cut electives we can cut electives no electives I me those are challenges I think people don't consider these sound like really good Solutions but for the dollar but the dollar isn't the solution the solution has to be something different and honestly we have a bond debt of 116 million that we can take out without going with the debt limit we can't fix our problems where we're sitting with our enrollment crisis we cannot fix our enrollment crisis within within the debt limitation we just can't we don't we have way too many things that are challenging us that cannot be fixed with those those dollars that is where we're faced we can Band-Aid whatever you want to call we heard Band-Aid you know well

059to be fair we can go we can go a lot cheaper than any milon we can go put mobiles everywhere and I mean there are things that we could do do I think that is the best idea absolutely not actually they're coming quicker now right Dan eight to 10 weeks you say y so so we have options again I mean so we can talk about about the financial kind of impact on our taxpayers we're obviously all taxpayers we all live in well seven of us live in the district some others do too and so I think the the the challenge is we also have to balance the needs of our teachers right so we're already pushing out being out of those mobiles at the earliest until 2027 at this point even if anything were to

060be decided on and the public were to vote for referend correct we're already expanding outside of those we're going to need more mobils by then I don't think there's any doubt about that we know that's going to be the case for going to be adding more I think you know if I were a teacher in a mobile and I liked it that's fine but I don't think most teachers do we've got teachers that are at some point going to have to be moving at least at that those levels probably un cards especially if we don't want to put more mobiles then we have to sacrifice our specialty teachers right specials and then they're going to be displaced or not have a home at least in a different way I should say card right exactly I

061mean so I think there's the balancing needs of the students which clearly needs to be the priority the needs of the teachers which was in the center of your four parts right the financial part that was meeting the needs of teachers and students so I think if we let that drive not exclusively this decision- making process but the largest part of this decision-making process that is my I think that has to drive this for sure well I think the other interesting thing is that this plan that came forward for 80 million was actually a plan we put forth in November 2022 it was consideration C it was ex like what 2% like in the focus groups it got yes it did get any because what we heard from the community that came out and I

062will say this and the same community that came out for focus group or the same community that came out for Town Hall which are the same Community we saw coming out for the other presentation so we see a core group of community members that will come out uh we're not getting much more out there in terms of even coming on of links so I I'm not sure how you connect with these people that aren't that aren't coming out but the challenge is that's what we were faced with um the issue is the consideration C was the one they're bringing forward um they've got it at 80 million there's no way you're going to get this for 80 million and and unless you're only going to fix a parking lot and that in itself based on

063what I heard from our civil engineer we have no dollars that we could even put to that for the high school um and so these have been discussed these have been out there these have been um put forth in front of the community um and it was one that they said they did not want they wanted Middle School sixth or eighth grade together um one of the other things they talked about was eighth grade us has plenty of space for e8th grade but we can't run programs with a small school you end up having part-time teachers you can't keep part-time teachers and you can't find in the Creech fields or in some of those technical Fields nobody wants to be a part-time teacher in come you need to have that offering a full-time we could

064flipflop sixth grade put them at CMS and have seven e at brainol um and run sixth grade as a anly childhood or I mean a Elementary or take away take away electives I mean those are options um you could consider but honestly to if you do what the community had asked keep sixth through eighth grade together let them have their middle school experience together try to stay with a one high school district that is why we've landed where we've landed and I I went to I think all three of those um that at the high school that was to me the the most consistent thing that came out of that was one Middle School the idea of splitting the six seven or the smaller larger wack it was for whatever five years you know or

065more than that of course before it it got in its current iteration I think we're also talking about a paradox here like we want 30 kids in every classroom there need to be 30 kids in every classroom then we're missing on the Specialties so we're hearing we want more offerings we want CTE we want to have alternative Pathways to a non-traditional two-year or four-year cycle so we need the space we need to be able to run sections with specialty teachers which we know are hard to come by don't get me wrong so if we're able to get those and find attractive candidates to do that we need the space to run 15 18 even less for highly specialized program which the board would have to decide is that something we want to do for certain

066programs and that's a decision that we have to make but again going into an addition assuming that to your point 20 20 classrooms is 600 kids I would be really interested to know we're going to do what we're going to do tonight but regardless but whatever discussion is going to happen in the future at any given period one through seven what is average number I want to hear I want to see the you know every single classroom what is the average number of kids in each classroom especially the ones that are full suppos before we have the addition so first semester here what is the average number of kids allotted to each classroom period 1 through 7 and I I think that'll be interesting for me to see but I think also eye openening for

067the community to see oh man it's 21 23 and a half 19 for one period because of lunch and because of other stuff right like how many kids what about during lunch period like so I think that's I think that would be interesting information to have do I think that necessarily impacts what we are talking about tonight not necessarily but it might help the further conversations about why might we might need what we need might help a better understanding for all of us by the way individually I think and the community and our teachers too right our staff to know what we're looking at because we can all make assumptions and I think getting something like that to wrap my head around that what does that look like at the middle school level how crowded

068our one art classroom and you know our band and choir that are only getting bigger right like so I think that that's I think that's important information to have um just as we try to you know wrap our heads around this and again I mean I think this is not about next year this is about starting 2728 at the earliest so just think about how far out we are if you keep pushing it out it's you're you're always going to be behind yeah and so I think you know I brought this up in some of the ones uh earlier this year um church and the school and all that you know when there was the high school open in 1991 we had hbt in the mid 90s we had prayer review in the early 2000s

069we had two schools in in 2007 multiple additions to the high school so with a matter of 16 years we had 1 2 3 four referendums in 16 years because of that assumption at that time for Central High School it's going to last forever they didn't add the auditorium till 2000 I believe right with the edition of classrooms as well it was the first edition I the put on was in 2009 years after we built that school that was supposed to be a very a very a very long you know a longevity standpoint um and I think even the number that came out of RSP out of this discussion from my perspective um you know even if we go back to the presentations that you know Esther did uh that all us attended some iteration

070of you know it was between 1.2 and 5% we are still I'm sorry 1.2 and 3% we're still in those numbers RSP confirmed that I think that's best case scenario even that 1.2% does not include anything somebody referenced you know uh uh Pinger grow those numbers don't include any of Pinger grow made it very clear throughout that presentation you need to keep an eye on this so that is if that does not move at all that is where we are going and then what if they start building in two years five years and they do 50 a year 75 a year and then we have an extra 100 kids a year 75 kids a year with our 1.2 what we budget what it's our average 1.2 per household in The District student students per household

071say for 100 I did I did talk to Dave pelzel too um from shodin because there's lots of questions about the shodin property um it not happening happening whatever so I said listen can I pingry grove pingry Grove um and there's many other five years I'm not sure why we feel like we're cooked on just that one because there's tons of those that were listed for five years in talking to him he's 75% chance that they will start breaking ground in Spring of 2025 um they are a small Builder they're not like a huge Builder where they're going to bring a 100 homes a year their guess is 38 is what they're going for roughly in the first year which will be spring of 2025 um and then 30 to 50 homes every year thereafter

072at this point they're about a 75% chance is what they believe with eight months by the way right and so that is what he told me I just spoke with him um so it's it's right off the press I asked if he was okay with me asked saying this out loud and open meeting he said absolutely tell him where you got it from he's the president of shin um so this information that we're getting you know five years out we don't know what that's going to look like we just know there's potential we're not we've never said never have we said that this is needed right now we've said we've got to prepare for the future we need to build for the future the reality of us having land and us having construction that is

073here is reality there are people here ready to go if interest rates drop things start to shift if they don't I don't have a crystal ball none of us do we're trying to prepare the future for our kids and for our staff to make sure that they can do their jobs and the students can learn um there is not an easy solution to this obviously it's very multifaceted working inside of an educational system is extremely multifaceted and every level is different it's way easier than Elementary School to calculate out or to numbers much more difficult the higher you go up Middle School is a little bit tougher and high school gets even more tough because there's just challenges that happen inside of those schedules that are not the same for every level you can't say

074functional capacity Elementary as high school doesn't function the same way an argument I had with Rob like I I just agree with your numbers and that that's not how schools function Elementary sure we can break them up grade level teams have those numbers that's not true for middle school and that is not true for High School uh because we provide more and more electives the the higher up kids go so they have more opportunities to experience whatever they need so I still believe that the three best options have been given to you for tonight for you to discuss um again that's your guys's decision as the board of education but as a superintendent of the school district I still believe that all three of these have potential uh to help us um solve some of

075the enal growth I still believe a high school is the best option for a full growth um analysis in terms of the furthest out but you can get less out by going with the middle school what was the uh so when we spoke over the weekend after I got back um you know I brought up the idea we have a field house so that 209 I think would be without a field house right that would be taken off I think that is correct when I clarify um you know I so I brought up the idea of hey do we do we have a shorter do we do longer passing periods and Bus kids the Fieldhouse like I mean I mean it's right there like I mean so there are theoretically not undoable things that could

076be for a period of time um you you can build fields and so you know I don't necessarily think the 209 um is an issue and I think there was something what was again 209 was keeping flat what was so two 2246 is about aund for 30 years out remember the new legislation with the house bill allowed us to go out 30 years similar to what a house go and so versus it used to be 20 or and you had to get special um approval for 25 for Bond debt uh if you went out 30 years for 246 it' be about $119 per uh annual for a household uh for inre taxes at 2246 for the 209 we can be flat um it's a flat dollar and Dana was that 25 or or 30 I

077think it was 30 flat at the 209 yes I think so so this is information this is new information this is new information and so I think that's important to tell people I mean we're in a business to educate little people and that's that's the product we push forward and we got to keep that in mind we're all parents everybody out there is parents you know I mean you know the government came out and they're they're going to move rates down as a your point I think that that's you know it's gonna it's going to speed up whatever uh the president of shodin thinks because as rates go lower people want to buy and upgrade and do things like that but I think the other objective data is over the past year with rates where

078they've been yeah is anything slowing in our district no no so I mean have have we been significantly off from our hold one sec have we been significantly off from our housing starts and from our transition and impact fees so you know this last year didn't change in we just received 13 130 13 but 133 13 homes right that's just 134 last month right so I mean these numbers are are data and yes you can speculate however you want but we still have to educate kids and that that needs to be the focus and by the time people I mean we could do so many studies and to J point we can just keep doing studies we're going to be so far behind the aall that when the kids are ready forol School we're going

079to be like okay where do we put them you know mobes I right but and the if we bu to pick up pennies with a $29 million referendum and it doesn't have a field so basically you know for um the difference of like uh you know what did you say 119 29 224 yeah like you know9 yeah yeah we're we're basically telling that next generation of kids that we we we built something that was less than what meets your needs in order to um save some money uh for you know the the the the the taxpayers at the end of the day we have a responsibility to the children and to the families and to the taxpayers it's everybody all together and um one of the responsibilities of taxpayers is to provide the funding its

080share of the funding to provide quality education for the kids in that District so um it seems to me like uh making a decision now to build something that is less than what meets the needs of those kids is um not a good idea I I would I would put the 224 uh referendum on the table and you know put discuss it if we don't if the board doesn't approve it then we can go to the 209 one and debate that but I think that should be the approach that we take this even I was goingon to just say I personally disagree with building another Fieldhouse when we already have one and to your point we could easily bust kids over EAS but I'm saying there there might be some other creative there might be

081some creative difficult to do but I think that I mean the other point too is which to Jay's point so that 15 million in five years becomes how many million right then we so so I think there there is always that yes but's that comes look how look how it moved in just six months but with that is there a way to talk through that like like you said it has moved this much is there a way to actually see these dollars are we able to see the different bids that got us there because like you said see them every it comes to you for approval well I'm talking about right I know me personally but like the community right like the transparency piece like is there a way to show the community because like

082they're seeing 80 million 55 million like all these different amounts is there a way to show them how we landed here like this we're not these are estimates this remember this is our construction management company and I will say for Shel mcnut who has been with us for well over 25 years they have never come over budget if anything sh mcnet comes under budget one of the advantages to shells mcnut at least from my perspective and working with them for many years decades um the 209 million potentially you could put an alternate bid on there for a filed house and maybe there'll be enough money left over in contingencies because remember any construction you have contingency fees you have insurance fees you have what the bid comes in at we don't know the bid he

083uses a a software program like any industry does it estimates the cost square footage what kind of products there are what they're doing to come up their dollars uh that's just that's that's his job that's his Market um and so you know could be that you have enough if with the 209 million that you could put it as a contingency or something that could be an alternate Bid And if there were dollars you could put the fil house on if there weren't you just have to wait and try to figure out a different option for getting a filth house on that at some other point um and did we comp we competitive bid this with other people then or are they the only ones we always have our own construction management firm and we have

084our own architect that we've hired as a board but then that construction management firm they bid it out they bid it out they be able to show that they we actually go there they don't bid down now they have software programs that estimate but they'll send it out at the time at the time that we so once the referendum goes through once we start moving for looking for work they bid out then they bid it out and then we could show the community like this these are the bids you get that you guys approved bid well and either way I'm still hearing going back and forth we could build a field house we could build this we could be that but where are the people like where's the investment for the people in the buildings

085who are bringing options for us to then say Oh this is a great one we should vote on this maybe this one is better like we're just bang like throwing these back and forth and tossing it up but we're not in those buildings every day and so how are we not involving them in which the dollars are the dollars are what they are that's fine but like inside of those buildings the teachers are very involved in that process I'm not an admin how are we going to involve that to get a blueprint of what these things are going to go look like an alternative plans and whatnot is my question we did have a steering committee last year with all teachers teachers administr so that process was handled but it sounds like it's not because

086it's still we're still in this Quin andrum here like kind of going around in a circle I'm confused no there's there's two different so you're talking about two different things so in order to get to hear the idea of the new building we met with the staff and we we with them and and said these are the layouts what works best for the kids to educate them and also help you as a teacher and they approved everything and they they there was a lot of work done and a lot of time and I was in the room and I know Eric was in the room quite a bit I mean there was a lot of back and forth there was some right you know banter back and forth like I don't think we need that

087we need this but there were significant changes each meeting based on which that's not out there like I don't think anybody knows that like I have this is the first time I've heard it is asking it I discussed it yeah I mean it upates I think here it's posted on the website we gave updates and that was all starting last J ju maybe was July or August R for school started I think we had our first one and it was every four to six weeks is frequent yeah um so my take away from that presentation is that nothing will ever be enough and that the backyard drawers or backyard planners um will continue doing that and as we've said before we have to do what's best for our students um and so as crazy and

088as insane it as is to do a referendum for the third time it is in the best interest of all kids and students and it is going to make District 301 continue to be that sought-after District that everybody moved out to to to move into 301 and unless we if we don't do this we'll just be you 46 2.0 eventually because we won't be able to supply our kids with the programs that they should get to Excel and to exceed other districts you know that's it's it's exactly what's going to happen and so we need to decide on the referendum which amount um and next month I think we need to start talking about like one number said what happens when you know big it fails if it fails what do we do because maybe

089we do Jam these kids in those classrooms they we get 600 we cut program right we cut exactly we have to do that we will have to do that but I don't want to compromise and do an $80 million Band-Aid for something that's not going to work or it might last for seven years I mean that's that's the issue right I again I don't think I yeah I mean I wouldn't ever say that there aren't options I I said that are cheaper but I mean I think you know the Paradox would be true too if we as let's say we as a board said man we really think $80 million is the right way to go and we had a lot of people that were really really really saying no we need a $200 million

090Fields I hope that this board would still do what we ultimately thought individually by the way whatever that ends up being to be clear that everybody would still vote with what they best information they had regardless of of what the voices were based on this yes I am voted on I completely agree to everybody out there you don't like the way that we vote you don't like our decisions don't elect us I completely agree with that for sure there has not been a contested election in eight years people are not clamoring to be on this board I've been on there for six years I really love doing this I got three more years almost left on this like I this is I this is a great experience for me I love being a part of

091this it obviously comes with a lot of distress there's no doubt about it this is a thankless position as a board member to be very clear so please know that we're each doing I'm doing what I believe individually based on the information that I have my understanding of the needs of the teachers my understanding of the needs of the community my understanding of the needs of all the students I do not consider my own children in this I always consider everyone else I do do not have my decisions based on the needs of Maven fion that does not happen it is everybody else everybody else can choose to do that how they want that is how I approach this have approached it for six plus years and I'll yeah I can everything he just said

092yeah so I think once we figure out which we need to figure out if we want to do this master facilities master plan we did an enrollment analysis nobody believed us so then we got a company to do it we've done facilities plan nobody's going to believe us so maybe we should do it again spend more money to Eric's Point Eric you wanted to know what what my insight of that presentation is there's a lot of vacant land and there's a lot of owners in our in our region that want to stick a sign in the yard that says hey your kid's going to go to 301 and and sell the sell the parcel you know I mean um looking at that map I was fearful that you know at any point any of these

093Farmers could say I want to sell 100 acres and sell it to a home builder that's clamoring to come West um you know I moved into this District because of the district everybody else in the community had a choice to move wherever they wanted they chose to pick our district as opposed to a neighboring District I mean it's a it's a big to-do you know to your point my kids are have three more years I'm looking at the kids that are in my neighborhood that are five four three that are coming up into our schools so that's that's what I'm looking at like you and I think I think the community is stepping over dollars to pick up pennies and I'm I'm I'm GNA keep saying that and I know Jeff laughs at every time

094I say it but I think we're shortsighted I think it's going to affect a bunch of things that people aren't even thinking about and to your point Eric I mean you know what um we all get a lot of calls from a lot of people we take a lot of bullets we're all parents you know that's our first and foremost you know I'm a parent first but I also care about how great this educational platform that we provide is going forward and I think that's very shortsighted for people um it you know if the school district turns out to be like what neighboring you know Chicago or Rockford or down the road look at what their housing values do people aren't even looking at that so uh you know I I I don't think we

095peac mail this thing I I I'm I'm totally against peac mailing it the language of the 2246 was up to to 246 is that correct the the language for the action is up to 246 because but it could be last it could be last and that's why the action is that way written that way uh but you the resolution will be for the stack dollar that you that will go on the ballot the only other one you haven't talked about is 185 so I want to address that a little bit so 185 million was for middle school and the reason the middle school is a little more expensive is it is a footprint of the current the new high school and the reason we talked about doing that was so that if the district wanted

096to go for a one high school district you could add on to that Middle School it would be the frame of the current high school but in a middle school format it's a little bit more expensive because because it is the footprint of that high school so you can add on fewer classrooms no Auditorium no Fieldhouse those are Stripped Away and that's why it's 185 and that was a third floor off too correct no that would be still three FL oh it would still be three FL okay so I i' I'd like to make a motion that we um adopt resolution number three for the 224 mil 600,000 I'm moving that we adopt that well I want to understand the linguage before get a second on that because I don't it's up to or the

097exact dollar amount so I mean the the action you said is up to but we have to take out 2246 what if we do focus groups and get more information do a master field facilities plan change around classrooms and it comes in at 203 can we only take out 203 the resolution is for a referendum to go on the ballot for $224,600 th000 right cannot say we don't have to borrow you have to take out the bond Deb Dana you want to talk a little bit about what you found out from PMA um so you can take out the take out the bond debt I had asked if if say bids came in way cheap and we don't need to use all the money which probably never would happen but if you didn't um could

098it go back towards the bond payment and you could abade it um so it could go back towards princi pay it down yes if it goes you have three years to use your bonds and if you go past the three years then you have to basically move it into like a a different type of financing so you can't say I need this money now but I'm not going to build for five years so you can get all the interest on it so there are like arbitration things that you have to stay within a certain parameter and that's what PMA does for us they monitor that every month um they make sure that we're staying within that guideline so we don't lose that money um I think that's it because it was years ago with some

099fund balances right that we there was a kind of the refund million Inova it and so I mean I think that when we had talked about the this most recent referendum the fail there was kind of you know be over three years right we talked about taking that money over three years could that once a referendum is passed it's only three years that you can take money after that or three years once you take out each so remember that usually what we'll do because it takes two to three years to build these so you'll do a little bit the first year a little bit but the second year and then finish it out the third year so your bond debt actually even though it's 30 years it could extend beyond that because you're because you're

100walking in that out that way okay and if you're it' be three years from when you took that Bond Deb out so it kind of moves with it as from the last debt from the last Bond that you take out okay so it sounds like Jay you're willing to you want to move forward with the 224 it sounds like the Middle School option is not an option for you um is that correct is anybody else not considering that Middle School option I am not it doesn't solve the ultimate goal and I and and I and I on a sidebar I get a little bit perplexed that everybody in the community um moved into this district and had opportunities to move elsewhere and yet they want to celebrate uh referendum that's going to correct the classroom

101size it's going to make a better educational uh process for the kids which is why we all moved here and I think that that's very shortsighted and I think it's it's I I I don't get why people would celebrate a a a referendum loss I think that that's very shortsighted I think it's unfortunate but you know it's we're all here for the kids so true I I schol can offer us growth too as well and being able to put sixth seventh and eth together being able to turn uh pkms into an elementary school maybe CMS I don't know becomes Early Education or somehow we utilize it with that ability to turn it into a high school and still staying a one high school district but if you're if you're if you're thinking about it and

102this is just my thought um who knows what the velocity of money will be in five years or 10 years when we go for this it might cost the community another 150 we we don't know what the I'm trying to secure our position today at we know what the money costs today in 10 years it might cost 50% more I don't know know so it's a small dollar amount it's it's a large dollar amount but it's small in the sense that it's either 209 or 224 or 40 million more than the middle school you know so I I guess from a from a finance guy I I always want to know what my end game is and and this this gives us uh Clarity and also it puts the district in a much better place

103for the kids and the teachers so I think even from the teacher stand and and and the families from the teacher standpoint too I mean there theoretically would be more stability with the high school right so if there's a middle school for six years and then the high schoolers are coming into the middle school as you're re then you are having a lot of people move kind of frequently um and so we have teachers that have been in the same building for 20 years right and yes there's going to be shifting we know it's always you know it's acrimonious and it's overwhelming and it's anxiety reducing to move you know students but we also talked about how teachers moving buildings is is really challenging having seate maybe teams have been together for 5 10 years

104and that's just a part of the growth process especially when you redistricted in whatever 20 before my kids started 201 17 I think or 16 17 that was challenging understandable um and so I think that again if we think about balancing the needs of the teachers and the students primarily of course with the financial kind of piece around that that again offers some predictability for our teachers knowing that of course depending on where subdivisions pop and if and when they pop in the future there going be some movement but at least we'd be able to to from my perspective again that teacher stability is just as important as student stability but and I'm not going to put words in your mouth Marg so keep me out here but I think where she's going that is

105and some of the community has said this if you do the middle school you can always build on that then you're easing into it versus going from zero to 100 and I know a lot of people are like what if we don't get that growth of the high school now we have this huge high school that is I don't know 70% full or whatever like and so I think what she's saying is like if we if we do the middle school and then we truly find this growth over time then we can add on to that and make it this Grand Deal's High School later at least we've eased into it and we really know what we're working with versus now it's it's not a guess I mean obviously we have the numbers but I

106think I mean like I said keep me hon said that's not what you're saying I think that's where she's going it does allow that g that more stable growth to happen and when we come to needing that new high school we're going to have a better idea of what to add on to that Middle School and then maybe at that point we do need Central High School at its capacity to be a middle school whereas I feel like the the public now is going to be like we're putting Middle School in Central High School it seems like such a big space for our Middle School well right so I mean anytime you build a new school there's you know percentages of teacher enrollment goes down in the buildings because you need that for growth so

107it feels like people want spaces that are going to be full right away because that feels right but what feels right to me is saying what does it look like even 15 years from now so Esther even with our high school projections even with our 20 classroom Edition when do we theoretically even with let's say 1.2 1.4% grow without any of these new houses coming when would we theoretically be near capacity including the 20 classroom I didn't go out more than 10 years and when I did the 1.2 the um that's this one yeah I I didn't go out 10 years I think with u more than 10 years with Rob well not really again be careful we're using 600 we're using 600 at a high school high school does not run at 600 I

108want to be really cautious and saying that is not reality and were you in high school oh yeah is that reality for a high school no no we do not run classrooms other than core classes core classes classes that are mandated freshman sophomore J then you can anything else Choice which again 30 in a classroom for a core class who is a lot to address student needs so but we have no choice right like we're stuck there 31 um but you also don't have a lot the bigger we can expand our offerings so we can start start going into other areas of Education that would help the kids that maybe say you know what I don't want to go to college I want to be in welding or I think that is a missed opportunity

109as well right we have no all those are regular we have both hands on so there's no new CTE spaces there's no we have Graphics this year trying to start in a space that's dual dual purposed right now I will tell you that I just looked at our rment numbers for the high school Rob gave 1558 today we are at 1584 so we are more than what he had projected currently um Elementary is where we're down if anywhere Middle School and High School are up um and so I know I talked to Teresa McMahon who was our register at the high school she said she's brought in at least 40 new families um at the high school so you know people say well they don't move in the high school they do um we are

110seeing enrollment growth at all of our buildings every single building has you know this the numbers Rob gave us were based on last year's school year this year's school year were over 5,000 students um we're currently up from 1558 projected to 1584 at the high school um and that's just today that's today there was another lady that walked in as I was walking out to register so so the 2246 at 30 years now because the 195 we did what four months whenever that was three months ago was for 20 years right 25 25 so we're going up five years so that's going to reduce the cost so now we're looking at 120 bucks on a $368,000 home 46,000 home is about $19 $120 okay a year so 10 bucks a month two Starbucks what we're

111talking Starbucks really four Duncans you want to go to McDonald's yes I mean that's in addition to what we're paying today if we don't do anything obviously our taxes will go down correct um but if we obviously all that budgeted today so that's the increase to do what is right so yeah I'm scho for that you know I mean you know I'll say one more time Jeff just so you know say that but the fact of the matter is is that that you're going to get it tenfold if you ever exit the district whereas if the district starts losing the the pristine image you're you're I mean now we're talking in 10 years what maybe $2,000 in increased taxes maybe and at the end of at the end you should be able to sell your

112home for multiples of that right that's the goal so I I I just don't think you peac mail it I'm I'm really concerned about that's just me though yeah I think it comes to people being selfish too oh my kids are done I don't want to pay any more taxes no but you were definitely around and you wanted everybody to vote for your referend when your kids were little my kid's done in two years I still want to do this because again's right and you know if these kids have better choices and classes than I had as a kid we're doing more power to them man I'm not going to be like well I didn't have that you know they don't need that and I think I you know I had multiple multiple friends that

113parents of friends that I grew up with who reached out after the referendum who really just said like I I was fortunate enough that community members when the new high school came in 1991 that there were people who clearly were retired who clearly didn't have a vested interest for children that were in the schools at the time who appreciated that for us growing up and they they just felt like it was their I mean essentially social responsibility that's how they that was their perspective so it's a version right of what you're saying I mean I think this you know kind of pay it forward um and again there can be discrepancies on what people think is necessary and I've said this from the very beginning and every you know especially with Esther and the three

114that we did or five or seven whatever you was a four or seven of them really like this is the most Forward Thinking again five reference in 16 years versus one now that is the most Forward Thinking longitudinal plan that has ever been considered in this District that's a fact it right sizes The District in all levels it puts all the all the schools and the teachers I mean it's just it's it's I think it's a win now I got to ask as it's been talked about in the community we build this new beautiful high school now we've got to add and we want to do all these different you know CTE and add these different electives and things like that where does the cost come from to pay for these teachers where does the

115cost come from to pay for uh the CTE classes and being able to have our students do this and is that going to affect their taxes even more no it comes out of our operating budget more the calculations budget for that well it's it's added right it's an added cost to our operating budget because you have to cover it be all these custodians you spread them teaching staff is not full new because we're basically separating them they're just moving right they're moving and might with growth we've already added staff every year with growth um so that's already built into our budget we we managed that um the operating expenses U heating hbac those types of things and Dana do you remember what the dollar was we came up with per um we we did a

116calculation um I think it came up to about uh two and a half 2.7 million extra for the square footage based on our operating funds right now we looked at what what do we pay per square foot we multiplied our square footage dollar M don't have it on my brain sorry um the square footage times the number of what the high school would be um and it came up to about 2 point it was 2.5 or 22.7 million add cost which we would have in our operating budget it's in the onm fund not in the education fund but that money has to come from somewhere to pay that right well uh in our evidence based funding we got what the sh 2.7 2.7 million in your in your ebf so you may have to you

117know maintain status quo and you take that in and that's what you evidence-based funding is we're a tier one District so for right now we're getting extra dollars because we are a tier one District um because of our enement growth um and if you look there was a whole analysis out there we were in the paper I don't know last week or last month that talked about ouris space funding versus what u46 gets um but it's still a pretty good margin um so you have those dollars we have our EAB that continues to go up so you have new dollars that are coming in from eav all of that makes up what we do with our budget and annual basis so it's it's just how you restructure your your dollars in terms of how you're

118spending but we get extra new dollars in that would cover those costs where we not have to go back out on any kind of you know I've heard that same thing it'ser concern yeah and I think the capital projects plan that we had that we presented in some of those meetings we kind of have a you know the fiveyear plan that we have internally which changes we've done most of them on that list um like hbt's roof has another maybe three to five years so if we don't have the money then it gets pushed another year if we do then maybe we do tackle that or um depends on you know the what we have some of our projects may have to postpone a year or two out um but there's not L A Lot

119huge dollars left on those capital projects like other districts that are going out for tons of things to to cover those kinds of things we've been doing that throughout the my 10 years 11 11 years here um and before that we've take good care of our buildings and and try to stick to those plans and not kick them down too far um so I think we've done a good job of keeping and maintaining our current facilities that we have um so maybe a roof or lily Lakes HB might have to go another year or two out depending on on the money and and honestly there's four refs we know about the b in this region of those four referendums all of them are for upgrades and updates to buildings because they haven't maintain because they

120haven't maintained those buildings we have never gone out for referendum to upgrade thanks Dan and just to be clear the 209 and the 18 obviously the 185 that's with no change to the community taxes or anything like that that's just the 185 would be cost neutral 25 years if you took it out to 30 years or actually be I think it's a $92 savings or something it's it's a a slight savings uh in taxes the 209 is uh neutral at 30 years and 30 years any more discussion there is a motion on the table I believe yeah I've got the motion on the table for the 2246 I'm looking for a second I'll second there any further discussion do we re language next or what he's read the resolution for okay I'm not going to

121read all of it so the resolution provided for and requiring the submission of the proposed of issuing a 224,000 M 600,000 School building bonds to the voters in the community Unit School District 301 cane and dcal counties Illinois um at the general election to be held on the fifth day of November 2024 aif yes Fulk yes henil yes Nolan yes pepis no BBY yes Gorman yes motion is carried all right we move on to information items director poo is here with an update construction and maintenance projects thank you Mandy for letting me go first um that time of the year school starting um again I appreciate Dr mongin kudos to our staff um so I always like to start our conversation about commending our staff for all the hard work that they've done um without

122them we wouldn't be where we are today so I appreciate that as much as you guys do so I like to make sure we talk about that um High School addition we got some good news perspective trains anticipating uh a delivery of our HVAC equipment soon soon is in perspective with that particular organization so we're hoping for the best um I'll repour it out hopefully next month that we have even better news but supposedly equipment's coming everything else in the addition we've had our inspections we're right on track to get occupancy as soon as we get that equipment installed and get HVAC run and we'll get occupancy um generator generator project we ran into a slight snafu at hbt with the transfer switch on the on the generator they're working through some electrical issues on

123that um so that one's not up and running PVS is up and running um so we're hoping to have that one up and running soon and wrap up those two projects um through the Miracles of Mother Nature Paving projects were able to be accomplished we undertook a grandiose project of bidding that out when we did and getting it done and with a getting a great contractor and all the hard work for of Abby Paving to get that done they got that done Prairie View looks great and ks's parking lot looks great so I want to commend them for that we appreciate that we also got uh hbt's playground resurfaced as well as Lily Lakes so playgrounds are are looking beautiful right now we got a little striping and little earth work to do but those

124are in really good shape um I wanted to just talk about one other thing is we're talking about our growth some things we've been talking about for really a couple years now is our facility usage um so our facilities are used a lot by um Community groups a lot of events a lot of sports groups and things like that and there's a lot of impacts on our staff utilities and Staffing levels and things so we've been talking about we're going to be looking at those facility use plans we work really closely with Ted's office um to look at those plans so we're going to be kind of updating those and looking at those in the coming months so I just wanted to bring that to your attention that that's and that is definitely tied directly

125to our growth and Ted will talk some more detail about that um any questions any questions about underground water detention or anything of that such you can talk about I can I can expand on any questions for any of the above what is bad dirt yeah what's about B you don't want to talk about it I'm kidding I just appreciate the asle my car thanks you thank you and my tires we did that some speed bumps at the high school so be cautious of those again us your error really I don't actually my car has itself [Laughter] so no questions aw thank you it's a borrowing pit there you go a borrow a borrow pit for clay he like oh yeah you didn't know about that is there any other walk away your time's done

126T take care of it hey now good evening uh just again again going to kind of reiterate follow up on a couple things uh that Dan mentioned but we uh we did we kind of are on our first week of school we started fall Sports we have a little over 400 student athletes participating this fall which is roughly up I would say 20 to 30 from last year I didn't get a chance to really dive into the accurate numbers but we have anywhere from between 20 and 30 more student athletes coming out this fall to you know kind of match up with some of our growth um a lot of all of our Sports have obviously increase between um Fall Dance fall cheer uh boy soccer football um boys and girls golf so cross country

127off to a good start um but with that challenge like Dan said the one thing I didn't want to bring to your attention uh we had those Town Hall meetings last year we had about we at the rental rental rate of people asking to use our facilities was about 8.95 and I think we had those just right after winter break or slightly around that time uh we pulled the report ran the numbers we had uh about 1150 1,150 by the end of the year uh Community groups wanting to utilize our space uh that's great we want to be able to do that but in reality between the size of our programs of what we have to offer especially in the winter and the spring it puts a real crunch on on the facilities it's you

128know we're essentially the park district like we've said and uh between between Dance Crew um some of the wear and tear and some of of our you know our basketball hoops and things like that you know the gym spaces the Nets that are used throughout the group by some of these outside groups that too takes that toll and then when we look at the spring you know really until the weather breaks our high school kids are in there from 3 o'l the last Practice ending at 9:00 so we really don't have that additional space for a lot of those outside groups and as they continue to grow we're starting to see that Branch off now to the point where even today we a group reached out saying some of our Central kids are in this

129organization that doesn't hold all Central 301 students but they're still looking to use our space so um like Dan said we're going to sit down really look at it all encompassing I think there's only one building that's not used and that's Lily Lake but due to the size and the the kind of age of that gym it's not conducive to a lot of these outside groups whether it's you know baseball whether it's a football group basketball what have you so um good problems to have more more students are coming out being involved but it's also the challenge now of meeting the needs of everybody who wants a piece of that pie with kind of limited facilities so and just to clarify none of these groups pay for anything correct no none of the groups so

130we I've brought that up before the idea of you know even covering costs for a Dan and his team I mean I I don't think that that's unreasonable we don't need to make any money but I mean I think to expect an increasing burden I mean it's not on me it's on Dan and his team to have extra people in there uh people who don't respect the Fieldhouse especially when the crew spending 30 minutes picking crap up that people have left around that's not supposed to be in there in the first place for instance so I mean I think that from my perspective needs to be part of that conversation what's reasonable feasible um maybe it's a one-time fee from each of the organizations based on how many unique practices based on your 1150 how

131many of that's you know Burlington blast girls back bball how many of it's you know um I don't think we have a choice but to do that well I think helps our community to have these groups in because there are sometimes our kids people who live in our district so a fe is one way to do it a security deposit of you know x amount of dollars and if they leave it 30 broken that's our money now you know so something like that even to see how it I mean it's a possibility you know just to throw out there all good points don't disagree as of right now we only Central 301 students in those groups that have 100% of those are the only one using our facilities we haven't kind of stepped outside there

132but to your point the uh the toll that it's taking on Dan staff and being there the hours that I am I see our our morning crew we see our second shift and then I see our night shift all in the same day and by the time some of those groups get out to you know accurately and correctly maintain those areas it is a lot on on Dan's group so um and not to say most of our groups haven't been great of you know taking ownership and cleaning up but you know you're always that's not just the case it's more than just picking up some water bottles or tipping up some bleachers there's a lot more that goes into it to get ready for the next school day so thank you thank you thank you

133all right curricular director books is here with an update on our partnership with the alignment collaborative for education good evening so uh the alignment collaborative for education is an organization that uh brings together uh opportunities for our students many of them are directly in our CTE programs as times have changed there's more collaboration between industry and partners and that kind of stuff they work also with uh our regional EF Director Terry stro uh and his office to partner together so for example let's say manufacturing company wants to put on an event it is hard for them fiscally to do it for every single high school in our region so they've tried to unify us to collaborate to put on more I would call Centralized events uh some of the things that we've partnered with which

134are listed in here is like the senior job fair um uh the larger one would be our internship program that happens uh at the kind of summertime we have uh a lot of students who try to participate in that these are some of the skills that our students are looking for like this conversation you're having earlier about what experiences are going to make really powerful decisions this group is kind of doing that type of stuff so when it comes down to uh the teacher pipeline you know we in education are looking for future careered employes to be coming in our door as well so what type of activity and um situations are we allowing and providing to our students outside our doors we have pathway our students go to Hampshire High School they take the

135education classes but then what are they doing beyond that where do they go to have have something that's going to inspire them we take them to ni we we ISU like there's different events they help collaborate with some of these types of things so um the senior job fair The Internship participation in the education and then uh we also get a representation at the governing board within this organization and so part of our funds go towards paying for the operation of it because it doesn't just happen it's it's there's cost with it and the other financial piece is we are paying to get a guarantee on X number of internships last year we had a guarantee of 10 this renewal we would have a guarantee of 15 now we believe strongly in the quality of

136our students the guarantee of 10 got us 24 24 Central students in a competitive nature were able to secure summer internships this last year each one of those summer internships are paid experiences they are not just volunteer uh scenarios so that's where the financial were we backing some of that so that students get in the door uh companies everything from medical uh manufact ing in both metal Plastics uh those areas uh Banks uh even us as the school districts you know u46 us the different uh 30 uh 300 took on internships to allow students to participate in them some of the industry Partners when the time ran out meaning they were guaranteed 60 hours they started asking can we hire these students so there's numbers of students that they didn't just do 60 hours they

137then became employees so this program is is growing um I don't remember the first year but I do know this is the second year that we got involved with it uh and we were right around 156 okay internships available and we try in the region to do our best to fill them um we you know we can't guarantee that but this is gives us a great door opening for our students to have an opportunity in those select career experiences again these students might be going non-traditional they're thinking about entering a Workforce they might be thinking they're going to go into a College of Engineering and be going into something specific I mean it's the it's the full gamut medical you know that rotation is not just in the pharmacy they made them do a variety

138of activities so they can kind of see like oh I didn't even know what that little slice of the pie is in that career and students are making that educated decision um and that Target is really junior year just to be clear with you they're junior year summer so they're still coming back to us for one more year for us to support them make that change adjustment classes and then go off as they apply so it it is strategic in the fact that it's not senior year and we're setting it up it is junior year and as you know when you come into your junior year that fall year that's when those applications start when you're trying to go off to an institution of higher education or you might be going to a two-year college

139or you might be trying to do a little bit more research on how do I go into this direct to the workforce I had so much fun experience this aspect so uh this organization is a key partner that we have questions seems like it's been successful right so let's keep growing sounds like it's been good yeah thank you thank you please sorry next right next so I'll talk on the other end um I'm bringing forward this evening an opportunity for our elementary students to participate in a coding and computer science activity uh the program is code to the Future and it's an opportunity to um expand the use of AI and coding and computer science skills for our young students in the elementary setting it does piggyback off of what we currently are doing with

140our steam program this was our past uh first year with using that it'll build upon that and expand upon that provides opportunities for cross-curricular ELA is embedded within it so English Language Art English language arts mathematics and science are all embedded within the program now there's a tiered roll out so uh the first year it will only Encompass two schools it's a a quite uh costly Endeavor to um to uh participate in but that provides really direct hands-on experience for our teachers so every grade level K5 the goal would be to have two representatives from each of those levels they would participate those classrooms we would have instructors from the co- to the Future would come into the classrooms and provide that instruction our staff would be able to watch they would get that experience

141get that teaching directly from the people that are coming in that's in year one so this will be participating in two of our schools the following year so sy20 27 26 the other two elementary schools will participate in that in addition to that then following those 26 27 and 28 27 28 29 school years we would have an opportunity to have hands-on experience with them so you would get up to four different days um the professional development could be could be in California or possible virtual sessions they get four days deep Hands-On to really um build the network so we are one we would be one of 12 um districts in the United States they do have organizations in uh London as well as Australia and you're building a network so again it's giving our

142youngest students the opportunity for Hands-On using AI using coding using those computer uh science skills and then that continues to expand on it into the future uh so that is that's what I'm bringing forward um any questions that you have on this what do we do once they're done when they go to middle school then we've got pltw and will continue to expand yes we would have robotics we've got some computer science pieces again this is a couple years out the out of the road so we want to continue to expand and review that programming as well the other thing too that I forgot to mention they have summer programming so year one the two schools that participated would be would have an opportunity to engage in summer programming the second year all four schools

143so again it kind of ramps up yes correct students would participate for two weeks right yeah yeah up to well 14 days this summer and then we would get um additional 10 days next summer because we would be starting delayed uh the earliest we'd be able to begin this would be October well I I mean I think the opportunity there to have some of our kids Juniors and seniors let say who are moving throughs you know those kinds of things to come down and have a teaching experience and a mentoring experience that's where I would see the benefit there too and to speak to the the cost of this um I can tell you professional development is not cheap and definitely that direct hands-on experience for our staff is key as well as for our

144students we're ranging between 7 to $110,000 for professional development just a daily or two-day experience so to be able to get at this year 27 to 30 days for staff to be engaged they would be completely not teaching they would be watching this experience I think is very valuable we learn by doing but being you know having that opportunity to sit and watch it in action having that debriefing afterwards engaging in the conversation and then building a network so we would have a network people that our staff could connect with and continue to build their their tools and and what they have in their toolkit so two elementary schools one this year other two correct same two yeah not the same so we would start with two um and this we're you know this was

145something we discovered this summer so it's a first day back with staff so we'll begin to get out and have those conversations where's the interest line who what two buildings will be on board year one and then the following two after that we also didn't want to do that until we got a consensus or at least an idea you guys were even open to the idea so when in the day would this happen like what period like what would it it would be a rotation so essentially the this team um code for the future would send a team of teachers and they would be within the day they would come one time the week during the week and they would rotate through classrooms it's not an added period for it's not an added period correct

146correct but the benefit is the cross-curricular opportunity so embedding en coding is math at its finest right you've got science built directly in and the network of activities based on our steam when we were sharing you know what we've done had the opportunity to be able to expand and Ste steam you've got Ela written all over it so it's it's definitely a cross-curricular um opportunity and we'll expand for our students it would be a great great opportunity for them it seems like a very specific like Grant opportunity you know so with these dollars I would assume that there's got to be educational organizations um that might have very specific opportunities for solic anal care for $10,000 right is there anything like that to help offset these costs we we've looked at grant opportunities this this

147is actually a company that's funded through Grant dollar correct education initiative that's coming through so that's how they've been funded we haven't seen any Grant dollars come through from our perspective for computer science type stuff for elementary and ESS scope of educational right correct you know like the bill M Gates Foundation like those kinds of things that might be interesting just that idea again I don't yeah the the idea of being able to provide and for Central to be a lighthouse for this organization to be able to expand to me this our world is not getting smaller and having this opportunity for our kids to be able to be engaged in this from our kindergarten to fifth grade lends very nicely to our Middle School programming and on up to our high school and will

148really expand what we currently have in place so I appreciate any major Innovative opportunities that we have like this because these types of things don't come around correct very often y okay any other questions you have with this that's a side question okay all right thank you okay appreciate you thank you I was just making fun of Ted Ted just got called out I totally got called out what do you want to talk about eser to come back up out we just had a couple foyers just a few foyers um so for the last month uh we had some foyers uh Miss Walch received a request for information related to request for proposal for Public Relation services and the executed contract emails and payments made EO Sullivan from 2022 through June 2024 we were able

149to comply with that request but redacted with and withheld some um information pursuant to the foil rules and regulations Miss Tessa we received a request for a number number of Staff who have left the district since 2017 number of full-time teachers employed presently the number of full-time teachers have been employed for two years or less are we able to comply with that request Mr Chapman we received a request for communication between Dr Nolan any members of the board or District employee regarding Lauren king or any District volleyball team coaches we're a to comply with this request however we had no responsive records uh Mr Romano we receiv received a request for all emails sent by the board member between August 1st 2022 through July 17th 2024 this request was denied as it was deemed unduly

150burn sign we did invite Mr R to reduce the scope of a request we've not received an updated request at this time U Mr Vance we received a request for information regarding email addresses and job tis for board members teachers and administrators in the district uh we were able to comply with that request M I'm Sorry Miss n we received a request for emails between Mr Chapman Mr grait myself Dr mgin Dr Hogan or any members of the Board of Education be able to comply with the request some information was removed pursuing to forign rules and regulations Mr Barnum we received a request for names and applications of anyone that applied for the open Board of Education seat uh we were able to comply with this request however some information was excluded pursuant to for

151rules and regulations and those were the fors that we received for this month seems like Fe website with all this information not for you all right motion second to journ open session and move to close session the following exceptions 2c1 2c2 2c9 2c1 and 2c2 so move second PA yes yes Nolan yes papis yes fi yes aif yes Gorman yes motion is carried thanks again for coming out tonight have a good evening