001Oh yeah, let's >> Yeah, I don't know. I guess they just uh reassigned me. >> Good spot at the corner. This is true. It works now. When I called Janet, it was messed up. >> It was messed up when I then they fixed it and it worked fine. Speak up. >> Well, my neighbor is selling getting ready to sell 20 years old. That's right. Also have to dispose of it. the chemicals and the chemicals. >> Just have to remember to put them on when you talk. >> It's the time of year when I lose my voice again. So, I really >> every fall I lose my voice. >> Oh, don't leave. Okay, at the end. I mean, at the end, shouldn't take too long. We're at 7:30 already. We want to get started. It is
0027:32. Should we get started? >> We need one more. Janet. Um, let's Can you can we share for the meeting that's >> Good evening everyone. >> My name is Ed Ruth and I am the chairman of the zoning board for the tonight's meeting. Public meeting of the Clark Board of Adjustment is called to order. And this meeting is in compliance with the open public meetings act as adequate notice for this meeting has been provided by mailing the annual schedule of meetings to the star ledger Union County local source and Union County Hawk and by posting such annual meeting schedule on the bullsen board in the town hall reserved for such announcements and the filing of said notice. with the township of Clark clerk. Formal action may be taken at this meeting. I ask everyone to
003stand for pledge of allegiance and moment of silence. >> Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Amen. >> Madam Secretary, have a roll call. >> Mark Hayden >> here. >> William Hal >> here. >> Thomas Maid >> here. >> Douglas Croc here. Christristiani >> here. >> John Calaguire >> here >> and Ed Ruth >> here. >> All right. Uh second item on our agenda is administering the oath of allegiance to two of our members uh John Calaguire and Chris Tierney. And >> we did have an opportunity to do that before the hearing. So they are all set. >> Taken care of. >> Yep. >> Thank you. Uh, next item, uh, review the
004minutes of our January 27th, 2025 general meeting and a motion to approve those minutes. >> Motion to approve. >> Thank you, Tom. I have a second. >> Second by Mark. All in favor? I >> I board has approved the minutes. Any correspondence at this point, Janet, [Music] Janet? Any correspondence? >> Uh, no correspondence. No. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Our calendar case is number 3-25, Steve Olanigan of two grouse Lane here in Clark. Mr. Chairman, good evening. My name is James first. I'm here as the attorney for the applicant, the Olans. Um, I have only two witnesses this evening. I have Elizabeth uh Olan, who is the home owner. Uh, and I have Mr. Jerry Goldie who is with the company. I will apologize in advance. I may I have to have back
005surgery on Tuesday. So, if you see me move or act weird or if I fall over, please someone pick me up. I should be okay with the standing for the short time. Uh but we'll see how many questions you ask. And if I just need to sit down for a moment, I ask your indulgence on that. Thank you. Um so, I'm here representing the Olacland family. You see through the application what they're asking to do is they're asking to build a pool in their uh in their what I'll call the rear yard. Unfortunately, technically applying your ordinance, we have a sideyard and in that particular circumstance, I'm sorry, we have a corner lot and in that particular circumstance where we have a corner lot, we have no rear yard. And when we have no rear
006yard, pools are prohibited in sideyards and therefore >> Sorry, is this mic on? He won't just >> Thank you. >> No worries. >> Get a little closer. Yeah. >> And therefore And therefore, there is no way that this family could construct a pool in their home without this board's seal of approval. Uh so we're here to ask for relief this evening uh with regards to the sideyard variance so that this uh so that the Olan family can um uh undergo uh and enhance their property and build a pool. Um with that >> go you had a question. >> I um I will just for the board's benefit um I did speak with the township zoning officer when this application went in um and there is there are two provisions in the township ordinances that are
007contradictory. One provision appears to try to give this type of property some leeway. Um, and by allowing pools, they go to a side street. When you have when you have a property like this on a corner, two, you basically have two front yards where you picture the front yard of your house and then the sideyard of your house toward the side street. There's a provision in the code that looks like it's trying to give property owners leeway to have um pools in those sideyards that are front yards. There's another portion of the ordinance that says no pools in front yards, period. And because they're contradictory, um, talking to the zoning officer in an abundance of caution, we don't want them to go ahead and build and have it determined at some point that they weren't
008allowed to do it. So, they're they're here. They're here for this application. Um, because we have contradictory provisions in the ordinance. Um, the other portion of it is whether or not the front yard setback, the 40 feet for a front yard or the sideyard setback, which is uh 10 feet, which is what we required, would apply here. Again, to one way to read the ordinance, if you're saying it's allowed to be in this yard, then there's an argument the sideyard of 10 feet applies. If it's really a front yard, then it's 40 feet. So just to you know they've done their best and they comply if you read it the one way that they are permitted in the sideyard for pools and then it's a sideyard variance they're at 11 feet back and 10 ft
009is what you would need if that's the way you read it. If you if you take the other part of the ordinance as the presidential one then no pools in a front yard period and any accessory use would need a 40 foot setback. So I know the board has looked at these type of applications before. I know we've had pools and sideyards. Um, and when we do our annual report at the end of this year, we're going to highlight to council that this is something that that needs to be addressed. We want clarification on which way they want us to hear it. U, but again, I know the board's looked at these before. I just wanted you understand, you know, they've had to come to us um because we've determined the zoning officer and I
010determined it's contradictory and I can't give them clear answer. So, this board really looking for you to say is, you know, is this something that the township um will approve or not at this point and it really is in your what you think is appropriate for the town, for the location because the ordinance is not clear. >> Okay. >> Uh and the request is relief from both variances. So, the board uh if you find favorably, you don't need to decide which is right and which is wrong or which applies and which does not. Uh we're asking for relief from both. So that way there's no question if there's an application of this later or if someone points to this board's actions even though it stands alone and says well they said it was this. We're
011asking for relief under both. Also our relief is requested under both C1 and C2. C1 obviously there's a hardship here because we're on a sideyard with some contradiction in your ordinance. Uh but we also believe that under C2 uh the benefits of improving this property in the manner which we are requesting uh outweighs any detriment to the neighborhood or any of the uh any public good. With that, I call Miss Elizabeth Olan to testify. You come on up. We'll get you sworn in. Okay. Just hold it nice and close so we can hear you. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give in this matter of the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Okay. And just state your name for the record, please. Elizabeth Olan
012>> and your your address >> to Grass Lane. >> Okay, go ahead. Thank you. >> Um, Elizabeth, just uh if you could tell the board a little bit about yourself, how long you've been here, who you are, your family, what you do, just give them a flavor of the Olafman family. >> So, again, my name is Elizabeth and we moved to Clark 3 years ago. Um, we lived in the local area, but we were looking for a nice small community and we really did our job of investing and we liked everything we heard about the town. Um, I'm married. Unfortunately, my husband cannot be here because he is away on a business trip. We have three lovely children that are 6, 8, and 1. And we're honestly just looking to make this our forever home.
013We want to um have a place for them to go outside and play and um just have a safe pl safe space for them right in the town. Um, I also work in the town, so I'm invested and I'm really looking to make this our last stop and never have to move again from this town. >> Great. All right. I'm going to show you some photographs. Um, and I will just state for the record. The board has these. We'll mark them as we go. Uh, Miss Carrie, the first packet will be the ones with the pictures of the home on it. I'm going to mark them A1 through four as we go through them. Um, I will represent to the >> You can mark the packet as A1 if you want to and we'll do
014the second. I'll do that. Make it easy. Yeah. >> Um, and I will note for the board and Miss Olid will confirm uh that these are accurate representations of the uh property uh and the neighborhood as it appears in relative time. These were not taken 10 minutes ago, but this is how it appears today. If you were to go to the home. Uh so uh Elizabeth, if you would just look at what we've marked as a one, I'll mark that on the back. The first photograph, what do you see in that photograph? >> That's a picture of our front yard. >> That's your front yard. You understand that to be the front of your home, correct? Yes. >> And that portion of your home, what you consider the front, where the front porch is, that
015fronts on what street? >> Um, excuse me, on uh Grass Lane. >> Okay. And then we see on the second page, uh, we see this is a rear shot of your home from your patio, uh, showing into your yard. Uh, you intend to, uh, your intention would be to construct the pool in the area behind this shrub. >> Correct. >> Uh, and behind that, we see a tree row. Uh just describe for us what I'll call the backyard uh of your home where we see those trees. There's trees in the rear of your home. >> There are trees. >> Uh and is that a a tree line? Is it a thicket? Is it a little bit of a of a small forest? What exactly is that? >> It's a little tree line that um the
016parkway backs on behind it. >> Okay. So, realistically, your rear yard neighbor, the person or the entity that would be behind you as we orient your home to Osborne is the Garden State Parkway. >> Correct. Page three. What are we looking at here? >> Our sideyard. >> All right. And we see a driveway here to the left on the lower left. Correct. >> Correct. >> And there's a car, white car in the middle of the roadway. And what street is this? >> That's Partridge Run. >> And that Partridge Run, that street actually only serves three homes in your neighborhood. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Yours. And then there's the one directly across the street. >> And then there's a driveway to the right of that home. Uh, also served by this street. >> Yes.
017Uh, and if I were to take Partridge and I would go to the end of it, what's at the end of the street? >> Uh, it's a dead end and there's a hill at the top. >> Okay. And it's the same tree line that we see there, right? >> Correct. >> And behind that tree line, uh, what's behind that? Is there any chance that Partridge would run through there or that it would continue uh at some future date? >> Uh, no, there's a house actually built there. >> Okay. And then we have page four. Page four is another view. We see on the side here, we see it say this is Partridge Run. Uh, and there's a house here on the right. Can you tell us whose house that is? >> That is our neighbor
018on our side. >> Okay. So, if they're looking out their front door, they would be looking at where you intend to construct your pool. Correct. >> Uh, and um, that house is serviced by Partridge. >> Yes. >> And behind them, we see the same tree line. And it looks like we can see some houses back there. There's some homes behind there. They're not necessarily backing up to the parkway. >> Uh, correct. >> Okay. Is there a lot of traffic on this street at all or is it just the three of you going in and out of your driveways? >> Just the people driving it. >> Okay. Do they pave it in the Do they plow it in the winter? Does the town plow it? Yes. >> So, it is a town street, >> but only
019three homes are utilized. >> Correct. >> All right. We then go to I guess what I'll mark as A2. These I apologize. My assistant stapled these a little bit out of order. So, we're actually going to start with the third page of exhibit A2. I'll hold it up so the board can see the reference. Elizabeth, this is an overhead view of your home. In the upper left, we see it's marked two, Grouse Lane overhead, and there's a red box with a little yellow marking on it. That's your home, correct? >> Yes. >> And we can see behind your home. We see the trees that you just referenced. >> Yes. >> And we see at the end of the street that home. So, there's no possibility that that street could ever be extended because of what's
020behind there. Correct. >> Okay. In this picture, do we know how many homes we see which you consider to be your neighborhood? >> There's 31 houses. >> Okay. And we see we can see this is a summer photo. So, we see these blue plots here and there. Uh what are those? And how many of those are there? >> They're pools. And there's 14 in our neighborhood. >> So, 14 of the 31 homes in your neighborhood already have pools. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um, and uh, again, we see a look your neighbor to the left. You see your neighbor there? That's a pool in their rear yard, correct? >> Yes. >> And you understand that if this street wasn't here and if you were an interior lot, we wouldn't have to be before the board and
021you would be have been able to construct your pool. Correct. >> Yes. >> Did you know that when you bought it? >> No. >> All right. And there are a few instances as you understand where there are actually pools constructed uh in a similar manner to what you're asking on corner lots. Correct? >> Yes. >> Uh for the board's reference, we'll then turn to page four of that. On this slide, uh we see red boxes and those red boxes are delineating where the pools are in the neighborhood. Correct. >> Yes. >> And there are two locations in the neighborhood where there are pools in sideyards. That would be uh position D, correct? >> Yes. >> And position F. >> Yes. >> Okay. Now D, the address on D is 10 Rolling Hill Way. If the
022board refers to page six of that exhibit, you will see the uh close-ups of those properties. 10 Rolling Hill Way. Uh and that's a representation of that home. And that home is on a corner lot. Correct. >> Yes. >> And they have a pool uh in their what I guess would be their rear yard. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. Now, their lot is different configuration from yours. So, while they're on a corner, that pool is on the inside. It's not on the outside. Correct. Yes. >> It's not in the front yard as you might understand that to be just generally looking at it. Correct. >> Correct. >> But nevertheless, that is an example of a corner lot with a pool on it. >> Yes. >> More importantly, we refer to F. F is a property
023located at 605 Madison Hill Road. You see that on the sheet? >> Yes. >> And that fronts on Madison Hill Road. And then do you know the side street here? >> That's Rolling Hill Way. >> Okay. So that is on the corner of Madison Hill and Rolling Hill. >> Correct. >> And that property has a pool as we see it here. >> Yep. >> And you're familiar with that. I know we printed these off the internet or got them from from Google Earth, but you're familiar with this. You drive by this every day on your way to school as a Clark school teacher and uh and taking your children to various soccer practices, etc. Um, and is that an accurate representation of what exists at 605 Madison Hill Road generally speaking today? >> Yes. >>
024And we see that that pool there is existing upon rolling hill way. Correct. >> Correct. >> Now, you haven't gone out there and measured the setback for that pool, have you? >> No. >> But we can state as a lay person. It's relatively close to the road. >> Correct. And while the configuration may be different, similarly situated, that is a type of location where you're asking for your pool to be located. >> Yes. >> Would you say that Rolling Hill Way is a street that is more or less utilized than Partridge Run? >> It's definitely more utilized >> because only three people are using Partridge Run >> and you can't get in and out of our neighborhood without going. >> Exactly. So, this is the only entrance. So, everyone that comes into your neighborhood, approximately
025those 25 or 31 homes, has to pass by this property in order to get into your neighborhood into your homes. >> Yep. >> So, uh these are examples uh of corner lots and of the situation similar to your situation where you would like a pool on your yard. >> Yep. >> Okay. Now, we've chosen a location for the pool, which we'll get to in a minute. Uh but in terms of discussing that uh we have Jerry here who will testify next. Uh you asked for the location of the pool to be uh in the sideyard. Uh and you asked for it to be 10 ft from the property line. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Why is it that you and Jerry and your husband decided that that was the proper location that you would
026like to build this pool? >> For starters, it's actually the area that gets the most sun in our yard. Um so it will kind of reduce environmental and cost impacts um on energy. Um secondly um for the safety of our three children it will be set back further and can kind of be separated into its own section and not be contending with our um our patio. So it'll be kind of its own separate area away from our house. Uh and thirdly, um it leaves it's that's kind of more of an unlevel slanted area, whereas the other side is flat and that would give us space to put the uh swing set and all the other recreational things we have for our children for their safety and not falling down better cuz it's more level. And
027then it's also we don't really have a choice. So we need a variance either way. So it would be the best place for us to put it. Practically speaking though, did you discuss with Jerry and the engineers about if you did push that pool back 40 feet from Partridge Run, would that be allowable? I mean, would that be a a space where you could still fit the pool and would it have the same utilization as the location that you're suggesting? >> I'm not sure if it was brought up personally. >> Okay, that's fair enough. Then we'll ask Sherry that question. Okay, I have no further questions. Elizabeth, I turn you over to the board. No, I drove by your home this afternoon just to check it out. So all the things that you're testifying to
028I would substantiate the fact that your side street is not utilized at all. I saw a basketball hoop at the end. So it's probably more for their children to play than anything else. >> Yes. >> Have you discussed the pool with your neighbor across the street? They they are aware we are trying to put a pool in and they know the location and they said good luck to us. >> Okay. So, no uh derogatory comments. >> Not at all. Not at all. >> Okay. Members, uh do you have any other questions for a witness? >> Anyone? >> Where exactly is sit on the property? We're going to have Jerry testify with the site plan which is in your packet. >> And Elizabeth, one last question. Uh the house to your left, they have a pool,
029right? Yes. >> And the house across the street, the neighbor, they have a pool as well. Correct. >> So you're feeling left out, right? A >> little bit. >> Thank you. >> Kids keep asking for it cuz our old house had one, too. So >> Ah, okay. >> Great. Thank you, Elizabeth. >> Uh my next witness, Mr. Chair, is Jerry Goldie. Evening. >> Get just get you sworn in. Let's raise your right hand. >> Yep. >> Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> And can you state and spell your name for the record, please? >> Name is Jerome Baldi. G O U L D Y. >> Thank you. And um you're offering him as a Is
030he an engineer? What is he? He's he's he's from the pool company with expertise in installation location and uh and generally speaking pools. >> Okay. Anybody have any questions? >> No. >> Okay. >> Great. All right. Jerry, just give the board the benefit of your experiences. Let them know how long you've been doing this uh and uh and who you work for, etc. >> I'm from Anthony Sen. I've worked for them for 55 years in New Jersey, New York, Connecticut. Uh we propose to build an 18 by35 swimming pool which is concrete reinforced. It's going to have a jacuzzi for the backside 8ft diameter. It's got a 6ft extension shelf for seating at the shallow end. So overall it's got a length of 18 by 41. Um, and Jerry, in terms of the location of
031the pool, did you discuss with the Olacllins uh where uh would be the best position to construct a pool? >> You talked about going behind the house, but the space limitations, the slope, if you notice, there's a wall there behind the pool is going to require drainage. There's already a drainage system in the yard proposed to connect to those drains, clean out the inlet. I'm sorry. >> I think the mic turned off. Hold on. >> Oh, okay. >> Just talk right into it. >> Talk right into it. Okay, >> sir. >> Um, >> there we go. >> Yeah, there's a drainage system in the back that we're going to connect further after putting in the retaining wall in the pool so that you've got proper drainage off of the property. >> And Jerry, the location
032of the pool, the retaining wall, the drainage, that's all contained on what we previously provided to the board, noted as pool site plan prepared by Mark Mentala. Yep. with a date uh a final revision date of April 4th, 2025. Is that correct? >> Yeah. Mark couldn't be here this evening. He's got a brother-in-law who's very ill in North Carolina. Mark's the former town engineer in Montville, so he has a lot of experience. He sat on the other side of the deis from with the board. >> So, in terms of disturbance of soil and area and such, uh we have what we call the existing patio. We showed a photo of that to the board. We're going to leave that and we're going to disturb only new area. Uh, and that is a sloped area that
033we're going to put some retaining walls to make sure that the yard is flat and that the property can be fully utilized by the Olaflin fun. Correct. Um, anything else you want to tell the board about the pool? I think we talked about what the construction material was. Um, in terms of the location, you heard Elizabeth talk about the space that we wanted it and you heard Miss Carrie talk about the 10 yard 10t setback versus the 40ft setback. Uh why is it in your professional opinion that this is the best location for >> I think because of the slope and the tree line uh crowding of the patio as Elizabeth talked about with the children and whatnot. This appears to be an ideal location. I realize there's a street there but it from all
034intents and purposes there are the three houses and that's it. No development further because of the parkway behind it. Um that's my opinion. Uh, with that I have nothing further. The plans are sealed by the engineer. So I rely on the plans and what the plans state in terms of what the construction would consist of, what is requested to be built, the location, the drainage, the retaining wall, etc. Any details with regards to drainage or the construction materials for the retaining wall. I think if the board needs that to be a condition, we could certainly condition that upon engineer review and approval. Uh, with that though, I turn Jerry over to the board for any questions you may have. One question regarding the location. Yes, sir. >> Is this the actual design of the pool
035being shown on this exhibit? >> It was kind of really nestled into the corner of the backyard. >> Yeah. If you'd done a rectangular or symmetrical pool, it really wouldn't have gone on that kind of angle. It would have gone straight across. >> So, what we're trying to do is utilize as little land as possible there >> and tie it in with the slope. And that's what we were talking about, the retaining wall behind it. >> Yep. That's an interlocking block wall. You'll see the detail at the top of the print there >> as to how it would be built. >> Thank you, sir. >> Any questions from any of the board members for this witness? >> Yeah. I have a question about the fence. No. >> Is this Will you be able to see
036through this fence? >> Yes. like can like how visible would you be able to see through? Is it like every a couple inches every post or how? >> Yeah, there's four inches between. It's uh looks like the old um row iron. It's tubular or aluminum. It's what's used today. Uh the Laclin certainly at some point can plan along it if they like it, but uh generally this is the fence that's widely used. >> Okay. >> And the height of the fence meets >> 54 in. >> 54. Yeah. All specifications that you need for a pool in the backyard. >> Actually 4 foot is what you need. The particular design of this fence is 54 in >> is how many feet? >> 54 in. 4 and 1/2 ft. >> 4 and 1/2 ft. >> Yes, sir.
037>> Okay. So, it's more than is required. >> And of course, we'll install the appropriate pool required locking gates and those kinds of things. No. Also, just to your question, in the rear yard, of course, we have the trees. Uh so we would have the fence there, but those would not impact anyone. And I would suspect and if the board wanted it to be a condition, uh there's certainly some plantings in that 10 foot area between the property line, I'm certain that the intended to do that anyway the beauty of their home. But if the board wanted something, >> I'm sure you get deer coming in through that area. I would imagine so. >> Just so I'm clear for the resolution, you're saying plantings between the pool and the fence line on the street side.
038>> Yes. >> Okay. Correct. >> You're going to want them for privacy. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. >> Any other questions? Members. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I've I have no further witnesses. If I may just summarize in 30 seconds or less. Uh we obviously see that there's a technical uh uh discrepancy in your ordinance. Uh we don't mind being here. We're glad that the board has viewed the application. Uh it's always a good process for us to fully prepare these things and make sure that you know we know what we're doing and what we're building. Uh you see it is unique even for a corner lot. It's unique uh because of Partridge Run. Uh that really is not a through street. It's basically an extension of the family's driveways for those three
039homes. um uh the location of the lot with the parkway in the rear and the end of the street etc. I think even if there was any reservation about a corner lot I think there's no better lot that you could uh uh put uh this type of uh improvement on uh as a variance request it I think it kind of speaks for itself. I appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Thank you for having us on a Tuesday when there's no football on TV. That's great too. Appreciate it. Go Bills. Thank you guys. appreciate the fact that you answered all of Art's questions in your correspondence. So, you did address his concerns. May I have a motion on this application? >> I'll make a motion to pass. >> Motion to approve including the conditions that
040they offered putting landscaping between the fence and the sidewalk area there. >> Correct. >> Will anybody for privacy No problem with that. >> It'll be very general so they can design it how they like. >> Second Tom me motion by >> Mark Hayden. Thank you. >> Uh roll call. >> Mark Hayden. >> Yes. >> William Helm. >> Yes. >> Thomas Maid. >> Yes. >> Doug Croc. >> Yes. John Caliguire, >> yes. >> Chris Tierney, uh, >> yes. >> And Ed Ruth, >> yes. >> Motion is approved. >> Good luck. >> Good job with the presentation. >> Yes. Very well done. Thank you very much. Our next item, um, I'm going to turn the mic over to Kelly to talk about the publication reform act and the review of Gov Pilot, which I know we've all
041struggled to get on. And >> yeah, >> Kelly, the floor is yours. >> Thank you. I'll actually do them the reverse order. They're listed. Um, first the publication reform act. Um, I don't know who read if any of you still read the newspaper in print. Um, they are disappearing from the state of New Jersey. So for years in connection with land use, we've been arguing that the notice and publication requirements need to be updated and changed. Um, but now because actual newspapers are disappearing, the legislature is finally having to address this. So what they've done is this omnibus kind of um statute that addresses all public bodies that have any kind of notice ever required. So it's not very specific to land use and we will need at some point to figure out exactly how
042this board is going to do it. But for the overall um the new thing about it is that the state is requiring every township to now have on their websites a specific place to place public notices and towns will no longer after March after March be required to place um publications in a print publication. um if they can put them on their website and then there will be a link to a statewide database that's going to hold all public notices. So that for the most part will take care of general notices for the municipal council for other boards and things like that. Um there is also a provision that allows boards in addition to that to post them on an online publication. So like the News Tribune and some of those have come together and
043they've for a number of years already had um public notices on an online listing. So my feeling is they'll continue to do that. What is going to be interesting to watch how we it shakes out is what happens for planning board notices because unlike just have like the council meeting when you're just noticing for the meeting dates we also have these applicants that come in and each individual application needs to notice for their application with very specific things detailed like the variances that they need and things like that. Um, so this legislation doesn't say specifically what to do in those instances, but in general, those have been instances where the applicant is required to do that notice. The board does the notice of the meeting and then the applicant does the notice of the application.
044Um, so in those instances, the or the new statute seems to say that the applicants will need to use these new online publications to do that. They will no longer be in a print newspaper. Um, and they will of course still have to do the 200 foot mailed notice. That hasn't changed. What I think is going to be interesting to watch is whether or not over time um, townships and boards start to repost that individual public notice for the hearing on the township website that's now required to be there because the truth is the public's going to go and want to look there for it. They're not, you know, I I think there's going to be some some adjustments, some growing pains as this this goes into effect. Um, but there will be some differences
045if you see at the beginning of the meeting. We always check the check the notice requirements, check the affidavit of publication, check those little cards. So, you know, this is nothing that you guys have to specifically do. It's for Janet and I to figure out, but I just want you to be aware that there are changes coming up. Um, and and for the first few meetings after next March, there'll probably be some there may be some cancellations, there may be some issues with notices not being done because people are going to be in a learning process of getting through it. >> Sure. Yeah. I can imagine if people are not computer savvy and now they have to >> sign on that they received a notice. >> Yeah. >> On their computer. >> It's going to
046be Yeah. Well, so this does not get rid of the the mailed notice for the 200 feet. So that's still that's still there for now. Um I think the certified mail is silly because nobody gets it, but that's my own opinion. Um something that part has not changed. This is really dealing with the publication parts of it. And the really the the unique part is that it requires every township to set up an um on their website like a tab basically on your homepage that goes to all the public notices and then the link to the state website where all them going to are going to be posted. So statewide you can just go to one location. Um they haven't given the state very much time to do that. So there's also a possibility that
047they'll push back the implementation if they don't get that done yet. Um, but this this is what we're watching for the new year. And you know, it's it's not up to this board really to do this. The counsel the the town's going to have to do it for every board and then we'll just work with whatever with whatever they come up with. But just wanted to it's out there. It's new. Let you know. >> Um, appreciate that. >> Sure. And then more specifically for this board, Gov Pilot. Does everybody We just wanted to take some time and go through it and make sure everybody has gotten their login, been able to get on and then talk about any issues you might have. have any we've handed out um sort of a cheat sheet I call
048it for kind of how to get in to it. Once you have your username and password um once you use it a few times you start to get used to it. You really need to kind of go in and play around and click on the different the kind of folder tabs there learn how to get to the different portions of it. Um but has has anybody not gotten their username and password? >> Everybody I have >> you haven't gotten username and password. Okay. So, we got to get him a username and password. >> A username and password. >> Oh, they never sent it to you. >> All right. We have this paper. We'll tell you how else right, Kelly. This will tell him how he can get. >> Right. So, we got to get we
049got to get you resend the email to you to tell you how to get into it. >> Um, well, does he need the very first time? Does he need go to go through their link or can he go in himself? the very first time. Does he need to go through their link to sign in or can he just go in with his password with his his email and get in now? >> Yeah, John. Yeah. >> Um I could check tomorrow. I know there was a little glitch going on. >> Yeah. Make sure you two talk >> and whether or not you can just use your email and get in or whether you're not you need to follow a link from them to set it up the first time. Just figure that out. >> Okay. first.
050>> Yeah, I'm gonna try this one. >> Okay. >> All right. And does anybody else have want to I mean, we could I have my computer. We could pull it up. we can walk through it or does everybody else feel like they've started to play with it and knows how to get into um and then just to be sure to just to be clear um there are there are portions of it that are really meant for the people in the offices or meant for the zoning inspector after he goes out you know where you where you input information where you change things where it's not for you don't click on any of that hopefully it's disabled hopefully you can't click on any of it but you know we really for the board we really just
051want you looking at things and then closing out of it not you're not trying to go in and change anything. You don't need if there's any questions that say, you know, it's not for you guys to answer. It's really there for you um to go in and to be able to look at the applications. There are there is a part of it that's more interest that's interesting though. I mean, because you get some more of the property information. You basically can get into the property card for the for the lot. So, that's more than you information you used to always get for an application unless we had specifically asked for and had somebody provide it to us. So there is once you get used to it, there is more information about the property in there.
052Um, and you can also go in and some of them and see >> the property card. >> Yeah. And you can also usually go in and see if there've been prior applications or things that happened. So all that history is in there for you that you didn't always necessarily get unless we asked for it for for an application. See some very determined faces. They're going to figure it out on their own. Yeah. >> All right, that's it. We just if you have if you have any questions, just, you know, let let Jenna know. She can get you in touch with somebody. Make sure you know you're getting in there and getting familiar with it. >> Just say, you just really Doug and I tried a few times to get without enough information. You really need
053a cheat sheet. There's there's instructions they sent to you when you log in the first time. That's what they need. You see have that in front. >> Yeah. >> Anyone hasn't signed up. And once you do, then you have your password. You have you probably save your password and your >> just like any other website. It's just the first time logging in. >> Well, the first time we logged in, it was wrong. >> It was a glitch. There was no instructions either. >> No, no, I had the instructions. It was just set up incorrectly. Janet approached the lady who does the planning and she went in there and made sure the box said planning. That was the issue. The instructions were right. It wasn't set up. She went in there and clicked something next to
054our names, Janet said, and then it worked correctly. Moments after she did it, I was able to get right in. >> Okay. >> So, that was the issue. It >> just turned it up. >> Yeah. It wasn't set. Yeah. The whole thing was just wasn't set up right. So, I I knew I was following the directions to a tea, but I'm like, if you read this, it's not what it says it is. So, I called Jan and told her, "Yeah, this isn't right." And then the lady fixed it. That's what happened. And then and then after you've been in it um and looked at an application, say you want to go back a second time, right when you get in, the ones you've looked at most recently are going to actually end up on the
055bottom. Y >> So you won't even have to click that for something you've looked at already. But every time you go to a new a new meeting at a new hearing, you got to start with that the red planning box again to find the list to get the property you want to look at if it's new. But so it'll as you start using it'll get easier. >> Yeah. What I was trying to say is once you have that instruction street for the first time log in it's very helpful and after that it gets easy >> dogs anyone else >> it was messed up >> it was >> all right >> we had any conversations about that >> thank you very much Kelly >> that's all I have >> um any other business for the board
056Janet Anything else that you want to you'd like to say or add to the meeting? >> No. All righty. >> Keep the meeting going. >> All right. Thank you all. May I have a motion to adjourn the meeting? >> Motion to adjourn. >> May I add one thing? >> Oh, we do have an application for next next month. Um, they're ready to go. They're hard copies. They're also in your Gov pilot complete, so you can see them on there. on the way out. I maybe I can get them to you. There's a whole stack of them in my car and I didn't have the power. I have a broken finger here. >> So, if I could get them to you tonight, that'd be good. I could get the mail. >> The address of the property.
057>> Yeah. >> What address? >> 60 Ridge Road, right, Janet? >> Yes. >> 60 Ridge. Okay. >> Ridge Road. >> Thank you, Doug. >> Yep. Yeah, it was empty about two months ago. I saw some things going on there, but >> there was never nothing there. >> I don't know if there ever. >> I'm gonna guess so. Right. >> There's no no land no land in Clark stays with nothing on it for very long. All right. Well, we'll we'll hear the application when it gets here. >> Very good. >> I have a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to second. >> Um second. >> All in favor? >> I >> thank you very much for all of you trying to get through. Uh >> but I know you're talking. I had it came in an email
058or something. >> But this was the whole problem. It said click planning and there's no planning box there. So I called Janet. I said, "Janet, it doesn't say planning. It said zoning." Every time I clicked on it, it just brought me nowhere. I said, "This ain't right." And then she went >> and she went in there and fixed it. But this you're not going to get right anyway.