Board of Education Meeting - January 29, 2026

001Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I apologize that we are a minute behind. It is 7:01 and we are now going to begin our district 230 school board meeting on January 29th, 2026. Lisa, could you please take role? Member Dawson >> here. >> Member >> here. >> Member Jabber >> here. >> Member Kelly >> here. >> Member >> here. >> Member >> here. >> Member >> here. Thank you so much. Let's all rise for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance >> to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you for coming out on a cold night, but at least it's not as cold as several days prior. All right, at this point,

002next we have our superintendent's opening remarks. >> Good evening. Uh, welcome back to 2026. Um, the beginning of the year has of course started or this semester I should say has of course started. Um all three buildings hosted institute day for their staff on January 5th and it was wellreceived and uh a lot of great work was done. Uh we also able to to collect um and report out kind of the semester 1 um uh data as it pertains to our school improvement plan. A couple of areas that uh we're we're tracking and and knowing that we need to do some tweaking and and adjustments to but some areas that we're really really proud about. Um, within our discipline goal, the board has talked uh throughout the first semester, the board has heard us talk

003a lot about uh some significant adjustments we've made in our attendance um and uh safety referral categories. Uh we still have a pretty good idea in our uh safety referrals. Uh we have about 98% of our students who have not received one safety referral, which is uh which is great. Uh we're still calibrating that data and as the board knows, and I'll report in my board report some measures that we're taking to hopefully continue to address that metric. Um the two areas within a discipline though that we're we're particularly proud of are attendance referrals, which is your period truency, your tardies and and whatnot. Um first of all, 85% of our students have had not more than three attendance referrals. But compared to last year, we've seen a 20% drop uh in attendance referrals, which

004is a remarkable drop. And in our nuisance or excuse me, our misconduct referrals, um 96% of our students have not received a second one, which is a good result. But we've also seen a 6% drop in misconduct referrals from last year. So both of those areas are do are doing well. Um in our GPA, all four classes at all four campuses have between 72 to 74% of their students have an unweighted GPA of 3.8 or higher, which is a great number, a little bit lower than our goal. Uh but we're moving in the right direction with some of our interventions. As you know, freshman on track is an area of focus as well. Uh we did see a slight dip from where we were at this point last year, but we're still at our uh

005at our ideal and desired state of 95%. And the area that I'd like to um take the most um take the most pride in is as a measurement of growth growth, our chronic absenteeism number, uh we saw a 7% improvement from last year. We went from essentially 80% to 87.4%. Um butressively, we saw a period absence drop of 23.6%. Um and we saw a total tardiness drop of over 34%. So attendance data is looking excellent from where we were at a year ago. Um and again it's for the efforts of our students, our staff, our parents, our administrative team. So I thank them for that. Uh but that concludes my remarks for tonight >> and I just want to thank you that for all the team's effort with that with all the presentations you've continued

006to do with committee. We know the effect that has on our students performance and also on our school report card. So we see that we are definitely reaping the benefits from that. >> Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next. Do we have any amendments to the agenda? >> No, ma'am. >> All right. Then some of our favorite parts of the evening, our school board representatives. Good evening. To start off, I would like to address the optimistic light that Samberg has had on the school in the cold month of January. Despite the cold temperatures, we have a lot to celebrate. Samberg has hosted an open house for the incoming class of 2030 students. Students and families attended anformational presentation as well as a co-curricular showcase where club members and athletes showcased what extracurricular activities and sports

007Samberg offers. Also, CEN started the new year with a successful start in winning the best large delegation at Neighborville North and best large delegation at the Gator Mon event at the University of Florida. The SWSC journalism conference was at Samberg last week and many student writers were recognized for their achievements. Aquilla Aquilla staff writers Eileen Lee Bailey Pifner and Nadine Sulleman earned awards. In addition, the music honors society induction ceremony was held for students who are in orchestra, band, and choir in which they are recognized for their outstanding work and performance. Additionally, student council created Winterfest to make school more fun in these gloomy w days. The week was filled with fun winter themed spirit days like Yeti Day and Ski Day, lunch activities like a box stacking race and adventure task and lunch vendors

008including Chick-fil-A and Crave Cookies. Students from each grade level that chose to make a team participated in activities and challenges in order to get the most points for a chance to participate in the fun assembly tomorrow. More or moreover, Mr. Grayson was awarded teacher of the month. He is a history teacher who has always made his lessons fun and effective for his students. Adding on, Mr. Hillhouse was awarded club sponsor of the month. He is a sponsor for the pep fan and has established excitement and commitment. Also, coach Daniels was awarded for January coach of the month. He is the head basketball coach and has brought much purpose to the program by not only coaching basketball but also instilling life skills by recognizing staff members. St. Samberg shows appreciation towards them making it a better

009environment for both staff and students. Furthermore, winter athletic teams are beginning postseason action. Our Eagles will compete at IHSA State tomorrow in Bloomington. Also, senior bowler Eddie Banks will compete at the IHSA state tomorrow at St. Clair Bowl in Oallon. Samberg cheerleading performs in the IHSA sectional on Saturday in hopes of achieving to IH IHSA state next weekend. To conclude, I would like to thank you all for the opportunity to share to share exciting news from Samberg with you all. Good evening everyone. It's good to see you all again and I hope everyone had a relaxing and enjoyable winter break. The start of the new year has been an exciting one for the Chargers. As course reg registration begins, the Charger gym was filled with students exploring a wide variety of of classes offered here

010at stack from art and music electives to challenging AP courses. Students have the opportunity to truly experience what each class has to offer. For example, adventure education, which is a PE co that allows students to step outside their comfort zones and try awesome activities such as rock climbing. The Chargers were able to experience this in the Charger gym. Students also explored fashion and design where they learned the basics of sewing and creative design among with other electives. Many of our winter activities have reached the peak of their seasons and our Chargers have continued to pre prevail through. Our JV cheer team placed fourth in their class at Oak Forest, second in the at the Humpley Invitational to close their season, showing incredible determination and treasure pride throughout their performances. Varsity varsity cheer scored the highest

011total of the year at the Huntley High School Invitational last weekend. They competed at the NHS SA sectionals this Saturday. Our bowling team also demonstrated great success this winter. The team defeated Victor J. Andrew High School in the recent match and Kayn Sylvia earning the top score of 225. Additionally, our boys varsity bowling team competed in at the IHSA regionals, highlighting our Chargers team, our Charger team's strength and dedication. Noah Jones placed third at the S SWSC competition with an ex score of 236. The dance team also has been showing off their strength and dedication. The D JV dance team had an exciting comp competition year earning the top two three placements at the regional competition. The varsity team had competed at the Stag Invitational at Glenford South finishing in the top 10. Another outstanding

012Charger achievement this winter includes Abby Hobart who set the girls basketball record for the most points scored in her varsity career. Our boys win also finished for fifth overall at the DGS freshman invite. Over the winter break, our Chargers have been working hard preparing for this year's musical. Drum roll, please. Mean Girls. This exciting production is one that cannot be wait to be shown. The drama program invites everyone to come out and support their talented performers. Our winter show, the Grim Brothers Spec Speculon, will be February 26, 27th, and 28th. Another awesome example of Charger Pride is our winter guard program. This theme, this theme this year is dear insecurity. Under the direction of head coach Kate Alto, the program continues to deliver outstanding performances every year. I highly recommend each and every one of

013you to come check it out at one of our performances. I will be competing at it, so you wouldn't want to miss that. U please join us at the Neapville Central this weekend. It's wonderful to see you all again. I'm excited to see what the rest of the year brings for the Chargers and District 230. Thank you. Good evening. As we are missed the first month of the of 2026, our BJ family is ecstatic to begin our last semester of the school year. Our remarkable T-Bolts are up to the challenge to finish this academic year strong with some early achievements highlighting our building this January. For example, during our first week of returning to classes after break, our VGA drama club headed to Illinois State University to attend the 50th annual Illinois High School Theater

014Festival. Hosted as a three-day celebration, over 5,000 participants worked towards the festival's objective of bringing a diver diverse group of young people together in an environment of creative and imaginative ambitions. Our drama club students were able to participate in numerous workshops and support Andrew's Gavin Shhatz in the 2026 Allstate production. Shifting to highlight another area of Andrew achievement. On January 14th, the Andrew Palms team hosted the 2026 SWSC Dance Conference Championship. Competing against the other schools in our talented conference, our Andrew Palm team took home a second place finish. Additionally, on January 24th, the team competed in their sectionals competition, achieving a score that qualifies them to continue competing at the state level. The team cannot wait to show off their continue to showcase their talents at their final IHSA competition of the year. Further

015extending the knowledge of our T-Bolts on January 22nd, the Andrew Circuit newspaper staff attended the annual SWSC newspaper conference hosted by Samberg. Getting the opportunity to hear from journalism professionals from popular Chicago stations such as WGN, T-Bolts learned about potential post-secary careers to pursue in their futures. Additionally, the newspaper team was able to share ideas with fellow student newspapers to mutually benefit each other's programs. Concluding this month in efforts to inspire our upcoming T-Bolts. On January 21st, our future class of 2030 and their families attended the annual future T-Bolt night. Getting their first glimpse at their future high school lives, the upcoming freshman received information about upcoming course selections and participated in student led tours of our building. The students were able to connect with current T-Bolts about courses to take as well as potential

016activities to participate in. Overall, the future T-Bolts are excited to return to our building at our upcoming activities night to learn all about the extracurriculars offered at Andrew. Our annual project diversity culture affair also took place this month and was a wonderful highlight of the diversity at Andrew. During lunch periods, students showcase food and traditional attire representing regions from around the world, including Africa, Europe, Latin America, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and South Asia. Overall, Andrew has had an exciting yet successful beginning of the new year, and we cannot wait to see future sparks this semester. Thank you. All right. Next on our agenda is the student staff spotlight. >> Good evening everyone. Uh this year's uh Illinois uh all state production uh down at ISU was Newsies. And uh for any of you who

017know anything about theater, the commitment that um the District 230 Stag High School um has to our theater programs is something that's really really impressive. The time, effort, and energy that's put into productions um is is something really to be in in awe of. And our staff sponsors are um so committed to everything that they do. This year at Stack High School, we had uh an all-state crew member for Newsies. Um and I have brought um two of our staff members here today, um Gordon Oliver, um and Jay Fischer, um to introduce you to one of the most organized individuals on the planet, uh Cindy Anderson. So, >> hi guys. It's good to be back. Uh I'm Jay Fischer. I am the theater manager, pack director, and a co-sponsor of drama club. >> Lauren Oliver.

018I'm an applied tech teacher and a technical director for the winter show fall show and a co-sponsor for drama club. >> Uh all state, which a lot of people talked about already today is the pinnacle of high for high school students. Excuse me. Uh pinnacle of high school students. Uh it's an a you have to audition or interview in the summer actors audition crew interviews uh May July June around there somewhere uh and then if you're selected you uh spend every long weekend holiday of each month uh producing a play and then uh a week in January where the LCA performance is part of theaterfest we've talked about before um they spend a week down at either ISU or U of I rotates every other here and put on a performance. >> And Sydney's role

019typically for Stag High School is that of stage manager. Stage manager is uh a role where you are expected to know everything about that production. It's a very uh challenging and all-encompassing role. Um, typically she acts as the hub between the directors, between the actors and the crew to ensure that she knows every element that goes into a production. Uh, and we're very privileged to have somebody like Sydney as part of our crew because of the amount of energy, enthusiasm she brings into our department and into Stag. And we're very uh proud to have Sydney represent us uh at Theaterfest for Stag for District 230. So, do you mind >> if if you've seen any of your productions uh since uh your freshman year, if you're watching the stage and you turn around and look

020at the booth, that's where Sydney is commanding the production. Please talk about your experience. >> Um, this is a little on the spot for me, but I had the privilege of going down. I got to meet a ton of incredible people from all across the state. It was definitely an amazing opportunity that I'm so glad that the school board did pay for because I got to meet so many incredible people down there and I felt that it was an amazing um networking opportunity just because of all the staff that I got to meet down there and all the students that I got to meet from all the different programs across the state. I got to make so many new friends that I still am keeping in contact with and we get to see each other's

021shows and encourage just the fine arts all across alumni which I think is a great opportunity. So, thank you guys. >> Are you going to pursue this in college perhaps? >> I am majoring in music with a minor in theater. So, yes. >> Thank you guys. >> Good evening. Uh we do at Andrew High School have uh we also it's my pleasure to introduce Gavin Cosmo shots. We have with us Miss Cissson, our pack director at Andrew High School and Mr. Chris Budnick. >> You're here. Come on down. We're all shining today. Um so I am just honored to have to stand here with Cosmo for his outstanding achievement also at Theaterfest. Um, and if uh you have seen Cosmo around Andrew High School when you come into our theater, he is always the person

022that is often helping behind the scenes as well as his commitment to our theater program has not gone unnoticed. Cosmo has been involved in 12 productions at Andrew and an impressive 18 productions total in his career. Um, he's very familiar with and dependable around sets and he loves the technical side of theater. Uh he does plan to pursue a career um in theater as well and one of his favorite experiences at theaterfest was go ahead >> the college interviews I gotta say >> scary but fun so he had an amazing and beneficial experience at theaterfest um I don't know if either of the sponsors anything you want to add covered whatever festive I would like to say that um the the growth that Gavin experienced both as a technician, as an as a human being

023was absolutely invaluable um for what he wants to pursue for a living. Um and we've we've talked over the years about um how he wants to grow um both as a human and as a theater artist and this was an incredible opportunity for him. So, thank you for the support. >> Thank you. Best luck. >> Thank you. Please join me in congratulating Pasmo on this. Also with us tonight is um it is my honor to introduce Mikey. Mikey um Ingress is a sophomore at Andrew High School and he displayed an extraordinary act of courage. On December 19th, I received an email from a parent sharing a frightening situation that occurred earlier that day. Mikey's younger brother had a friend over and they were eating chicken nuggets, which is typical of kids, right? They have chicken

024nuggets at lunch. However, he choked on the chicken nuggets. He couldn't breathe. He couldn't speak. and it was a very alarming moment for everyone present. Mikey's mother attempted the Heimnick maneuver but was unable to dislodge the food. When Mikey entered the room, he immediately recognized the severity of the situation and calmly asked his mom to step aside, stating that he is trained. His then he then successfully performed the Heimlick maneuver, clearing the child's airways and saving his life. Reflecting on the moment, Mikey shared that he saw his mom doing it and not getting an effective result. The young boy, or he's a young man, I should say, was turning purple and he didn't really think about what was going through his mind. He just knew that his mom wasn't doing it correctly. Mikey learned to

025perform the Hemouth maneuver in his PE class in Andrew. Because of his training and quick thinking, a life was safe. We are incredibly grateful that everyone was okay and amen for responding so calmly and responding in and very efficient response during that moment. Terry Shily, I think she's here somewhere too. Hiding with the Andrew people today. This woman is incredible. Terry Shil is our nurse at Andrew High School and she trains not only us but the students on CPR and AED. Our freshmen are all trained every year whether they want to be certified or not and about 300 of them take the opportunity to become certified. She facilitates these life-saving skills every single day in our classes. You may have seen Michael and his brother featured in the local paper. He's already pretty famous. He

026runs a curbside cafe which raises funds for local charities through coffee and lattes. And all the sales are um they're donated to help other people. Mikey is a true hero and we're proud to recognize him. Terry Shily is a superstar that makes sure we are all trained at Andrew High School. Congratulations to Mikey as well as Terry for the opportunity to save wild. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you >> for the shy school. >> All right, next we next we have our curriculum spotlight. >> Good evening. Tonight's curriculum spotlight highlights the anatomy students here at Carl Samber um led by Dr. Veronica Shaw, Mr. Matt Kaki, the division chair, and Mr. Colonitis, one of our anatomy teachers. Tonight's showcase shows live from the heart. It's a program where there is a live interactive

027learning experience in partnership with the Griffin Museum of Science and Industry and Advocate Christ Medical Center. Through video conferencing, students observe an open heart surgery in real time and they engage directly with the surgical team which includes physicians, nurses, physicians assistants, and technicians. The medical team explains the procedures while the students are reporting accurate medical terminology, reporting data during the surgery, and exploring how lifestyle choices can impact heart health. This experience really speaks to how we are supporting student learning through these authentic experiences. And it provides a responsive curriculum for our students who have a broad interest in healthcare careers. It was kind of a shock like it's so cool to see like something so real >> was beating one sack and next thing you know it's not moving when they cut open the paracard

028sack and we saw for the first time that was like aha moment for me. >> The more we learned about like the heart unit and everything I was like it's more intriguing than scary. Life in the heart is a real time live surgical procedure. The students get to witness uh remotely from the uh pack at Samberg. They are seeing a surgical team from Advocate Hospital perform an open heart surgery on a patient. You ask them about what happens inside an operating room and they're probably going to be able to think of a house episode or they watch Grey's Anatomy. So for them to be able to see what actually goes on inside an operating room. They get to speak with the medical professionals that are working in there. I just think the live interaction between

029the doctor, profusionist, PA, nurses are all interactive with our students and explaining what's going on. I always try to plan our units right around live from the heart. I wanted to make sure I got my cardiovascular unit in first. >> We did a dissection of the heart as well, cutting it open, uh looking at what structures are there in the heart as well as conduction system. Then we do cardioysiology. Um so kids learn about blood vessels, blood pressure. Um and then we do focus on disorders and diseases and um we learned about different conditions that we may see in in the surgery. >> We talk about coronary artery disease um and the physiology behind that, the risk factors. So um at the beginning of this field trip, usually that's the first thing that they're going

030through is what are the risk factors that the patient had that led them to be on the table. >> So it's one thing for students to learn about the the anatomy and the structures, all the vocabulary and to see a preserved specimen and to handle those. But to see a a person who is on the operating table, who's undergoing immediate surgery, um whose life is in the hands of the surgical team in front of them, um it really brings lives the uh significance and the practicality and the reality of what they'll learn in the classroom. >> It's cool to see like how calm they are and like being able to like stay super calm. >> I think the most interesting part was when they were cutting up the vape. You know, I thought the baby

031would be like, you know, smaller, but it was it was pretty Biggest thing that surprised me is probably when they had to reduce the body temperatures and put them into almost hypothermia as a way to reduce the amount of blood flow in the heart. >> I think it does it really opens up their mind to other jobs in the healthc care field. I think sometimes they really generalize like oh I want to be a nurse or I want to be a doctor but they start looking at the actual specialists here in the operating room >> and this gives them a chance to see like it's not just the actual surgeon that's there. We have different nursing staff. There's people who are going to run some of the heart and lung machines. Um we've got the

032anesthesiologist is present, physicians assistants. So they actually get to see what some of those roles look like live and in person. >> Probably eight, nine years ago when we're doing the surgery, the the the physician's assistant like Mr. K, is that you? So one of my students in my class was actually the physician's assistant. So it was like full circle. It's just such a real life experience. It's like we can talk all we want in the classroom about certain positions and certain careers, but to actually talk to somebody in that career on the spot while they're performing in the operating room is amazing. And they can talk about their education. Um, they can get an idea about pay range. >> I didn't know what some of those job positions even were before. And so getting

033to hear from everyone was really cool and like opened my eyes to new careers that I didn't know about. >> I was really happy cuz I want to go into medicine and then this is obviously like a big step in that direction. I mean, I was hoping when I got here and then watching it that I wasn't like super nervous. I stayed calm as well. So, obviously nursing is my fit. >> Um, throughout this class, I'm like learning more about like the body and it's kind of like solidified my decision of going premed and possibly the surgery route. >> I do want to pursue an MD or do degree in the future. Um, especially in internal medicine. We're focusing on authentic learning experience for our students who get to see, you know, professionals who are

034in the act of doing their day-to-day job using the knowledge that students are also learning about in their classrooms. So, um this I've done um live for the heart from the heart a number of years in a a variety of different places. And let me tell you, the samber kids are tough cookies. This is the first year we have not I have not witnessed a student fainting during this. So um you guys are ready. So uh I'm going to introduce Mr. Mcnappi now who is our division chair for um science and TE. >> Good evening. Thank you so much for having us here tonight. It's a pleasure to introduce some of our anatomy physiology students and one of our teachers representing the teaching team. Uh we have Jas Jasel Alani who's a senior, Daisy Silva

035who's a senior already been both these have been accepted to many colleges or just went in the last few. Uh we have Rachel Chiron and we have Nidi Patel who are both juniors uh in Miss Megan Frederick's class. And then finally in the back Mr. uh Nicolonitis who uh really led the char several years ago to to bring this course to where it is and helped to usher in the opportunity for students to be part of the uh life from the heart uh program with Christ advocate hospital. >> Thank you. >> I have a question. So from this I love the fact that you were opened up to other job opportunities because of this. What kind of jobs might you be looking into now? >> Uh, so I want to do dentistry, but um I

036think the idea of always like because there's multiple specialties within dentistry like oral surgery and um I think people the reason they avoid that is cuz um they're afraid of cutting or making a mistake. But like just watching the surgeon, he was calmly talking. He was working with his team. he's like having conversations while doing like a lifethreatening surgery, you know what I mean? So, it was just amazing to see that and I feel like um it really gave me more confidence in uh medical school and like residency and knowing that I'll be more confident when it comes to a situation like that. >> Real quick, guys, and live from the heart's real cool, but we're also live on screen. So, if you don't mind using the mic whenever you talk, that would just be

037great. No, no worries. Yeah, you got >> it's >> um I was always interested in being an anesthesiologist, but I wasn't too sure about it, especially with the amount of schooling years and just the job itself. But I think with the live from the heart, I think I was able to see what they really do throughout the surgery and kind of give me a like idea of what the day-to-day like job and requirements would be for that job. So, I think that kind of gave me an idea if I really wanted to pursue this or not. So, I've never like really wanted to do anything in medicine when I was little, but after taking multiple science classes in Samberg, such as honors anatomy, and building such a good bond with my anatomy teacher and also

038going to the field trip, seeing everyone work together, the surgeons, the assistants, and having that strong community really was a catalyst to like how I wanted started wanting to do stuff in medicine And seeing like everyone work together with patients and how long and intricate each suitor and each detail was and how precise they were really sparked a passion. >> Hi. >> Me personally, I've always wanted to be a cardiothoracic surgeon since I was in sixth grade. So seeing this seeing this surgery live was really exciting to me. And it and with this course, it has definitely made me reinforce my decision of taking uh biology as my major so I could be in this route someday. Even if I'm not going to become a surgeon, I want to be involved in that room somehow.

039Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> Yeah. Thank you. All right. Next, we have committee reports. We'll start with the education committee. >> Uh Dr. Huffman and the associate principles um of instruction from the thirdman schools, uh Dr. Augustine, Dr. Ladia, and Dr. Shaw all presented an update on the freshman on track initiative, uh highlighting record-breaking success across the district. Stag High School reached a peak rate of 95.8% which I know was up 5%. It was a tremendous improvement. Um while Samberg achieved an all-time high of 98.4% and Andrew consistently maintained a strong 95% benchmark. Each school detailed datadriven strategies used to support students including the use of the scorecard at Sandberg academic intervention plans at Andrew and skill focused study halls at Stag. These systematic efforts ensure that uh staff can monitor attendance,

040academics, and social emotional well-being in real time to provide timely support for every freshman. Uh the meeting also addressed key updates regarding curriculum and extracurriculars for upcoming 2627 school year. Dr. Huffman outlined the current course selection process and clarified policies regarding accelerated placement to help families make informed decisions. um specifically adding some some waiver language when they um opt up for AP. Uh additionally, the district is navigating a new IHSA bylaw that limits cooperative athletic agreements for large districts like 230, which may impact the future structure of sports like girls wrestling, gymnastics, and lacrosse. Uh I think water polo was one of the ones that was also talked about. Um, finally, the district provided an update on the search for bilingual Arabic teachers, noting that while interviews are underway, they are continuing their recruitment efforts

041to find candidates with the specific credentials required to serve our students. That was it. >> Any questions? >> Here's a report for the student services committee. Uh the meeting began with an update on strategic framework goals related to chronic absenteeism and discipline featuring end of semester data. A significant reduction in the chronic absenteeism rate has been achieved with a six to seven point reduction which Dr. Nolton was talking about which is awesome. Uh compared to this time late compared to this time last year placing us within three percentage points of our three-year goal. Uh some improvement is being noted in the discipline attendance referral metric which is likely related to the drop in tardies observed last semester. There is a slight increase in discipline safety referrals this year attributed in part to discipline coding changes

042as well in as an increase in referrals related to aggression. Dr. Carr shared five actions being taken this year to address improved supervision and safety related behaviors. Miss Schulman shared how the Ultima program is undergoing a comprehensive review to enhance outcomes for students with significant disabilities focusing on curriculum alignment and staff utilization to remote to promote increased student independence. Mr. Oando uh provided updates regarding access testing for English learners that is beginning this month at all three schools. Plans to support the trans to the transition to the revised program model for English learners beginning next school year and the district's participation in the Illinois Consortium to Advance EL program effectiveness. Finally, Dr. Noline briefs the committee on state updates, including a proposed state level cell phone ban. Again, uh an updated amendment to the world

043languages requirement and the new accountability system for districts. Uh next meeting is going to be held on February 10th. That's it. Member Jabber, building and finance, please. >> Um, we discussed um some updates at Stag High School. Um, they'll get their dance floor dance floor um replaced. They'll also be getting stadium lights like Sanberg High School has. Um we went out for bids for HVAC new replacements and Amber Mechanical was the lowest qualified bidder and we um we're going to be voting on that later on tonight. Um the committee also confirmed that the district will not proceed with the purchase of 10608. Um the committee reviewed a proposed network infrastructure upgrade selected through the -ate process and cubit was identified as a recommended vend vendor and this was was within our budget and will um

044be reimbursed by the government. Um we discussed tax anticipation warrants. I believe um assistant superintendent Jeff Egan will will be discussing that. Um and we also discussed student enrollment projections um for the next 5 years. Other than that, um our next meeting will be February 23rd, 7 p.m. Any questions? >> All right. Next on the agenda is the teachers association, Adam Simuda. Good evening. Boy, mother nature sure is throwing everything at us this year. You know, we've had e-learning, had a sudden snow spa on arrival, and then we just had a water man this Tuesday at St. So, uh, with that being said, I just want to thank all of our staff, our students, our parents, uh, for just being flexible with everything. Particular, I want to thank our facilities and ground crews. Uh, they've

045kept their lots free of snow. So unfortunately this weather's going away soon. So stay warm. >> Thank you. >> Next ESP. We see Christie. >> Hello. Good evening. Thank you for having me. As we return to school to begin the second semester, I want to acknowledge the ESPs that perform their job duties uh during the winter break in order to prepare our schools for reopening, such as um the main office staff, the district office staff, and of course the security personnel. In addition, I'd like to acknowledge those uh ESPs who work on the athletic events during our winter break so that our student athletes can continue to uh compete in their sports. And now that we're back at school full-time, many ESPs are part of the planning and execution of uh certain things going on

046such as course selection, the incoming freshman registration, and assisting all students with the daily school setting. It is a team effort that we are uh that we work hard at each and every day, and we're very proud to be part of the um school setting. Um, I'm hoping everyone uh here is staying warm on these never- ending cold days, as Adam said, and I'm wishing you all um uh some warmth and some sunshine for the rest of the month. And it's always a pleasure to see you and thank you very much. See you next month. Thank you. >> All right, next we have the District 230 foundation update. Um, at your seat, you should have a foundation update that includes their new goals for the year, which include developing a clear and compelling core message

047me message, strengthening existing donor recognition, expanding public awareness and building new connections, and improving grant funding processes to broaden access. Um, I just have to say I'm really happy with the board um the foundation board and their intent um and and delivery of these goals. They're going to be meeting over the next several months to um discuss them to gather feedback and develop action plans. And I really think you're going to see some great things coming out of the foundation as a result of these goals. Um, in addition, you have an invitation to the annual fundraiser, Whoop It Up, which is March 28th, and it's a great night. Um, it's full of basketball and raffles and, uh, silent auctions and, uh, good food, and it's just a really great event to support the efforts of

048the foundation. And I hope you all can make it. >> And Jen, just so everyone hears that, that is open to the public. >> It is. >> So, it's we But 21 and over is something we strongly encourage and think everybody who's been there can attest. It's been a great time for a great even greater cause. >> Yes. >> Heard great things about it. Is it what is it? Is it a team thing? Do you have to register a team? Can I just go there by myself and just take on any comers or what? >> You're not playing. >> You would do great. You would do great. >> We'll let you sit with us, too. >> Okay. It's a March man party is what it is. >> That I can handle. >> Yes. or >>

049you don't have to play or do much physical activity >> and we'll see what colors you wear or something when you come to the watch party. So, >> okay, I that >> all right. Next on our agenda is our time for public comments. Um, I am going to read a statement. If you are new to speaking, we I say this every time just so that we are consistent. We also have 10 speakers. That is great. We welcome that. Um, so I want you to make sure that you know what will happen next. Per board policy 2230, we ask you address the board and state your name and reason for your comments. Each of you will be allotted no more than three minutes. So the tech crew will start a countdown clock. Talk about countdown clocks.

050It will be up on the screen. Um, so with the 10* 3, that's a maximum of 30 minutes for total for public comment. Please be respectful when addressing the board is respectful of the speaker who has the podium and disruptions will not be tolerated. While the board greatly appreciates your participation, please understand that the board does not engage in dialogue during public comment. We take all matters seriously and if there is a specific question or comment that requires followup, the appropriate um board member or administrator will follow up with you. So I'm taking them in the order as they were given to me. The So the first one is Malawa Elader access to education. future and that includes maintaining um the Arabic language. Um Arabic is one of the most widely uh spoken language in

051the world and is deeply connected to global business diplomacy, technology and culture exchange. Um just to cut it short, I'm arguing the the board to view the AR program not as an expense but as an investment. uh one that expands opportunity and um strengthen the curriculum. Uh and I hope um I feel just um uncomfortable standing here, but all I'm asking for just to um review the the Arabic language for our students and um they deserve just to be connected. U I mean Arabic is is a language that um it it has a culture. It has um a lot to it. It's not just a language. So I'm asking the board to look at it so our students at school can understand other people in the world culture too not just the language. Next I

052have Ted Rico. Gracias. >> Hi, good evening. My name is Dr. Federico and I'm here to speak on behalf sorry in favor of uh opening an Arabic foreign language program at uh district 230. So, um I want to start by saying that I am uh a foreign citizen. I'm from Spain. I've been in the US since 2015 and I've been teaching Arabic since 2016. Uh I am not of Arab descent. I'm actually Jewish. Uh but I think uh opening an Arabic program in these times in a district like uh in any district in Illinois really it's a very positive thing and a thing that has a lot of future. So, um, I've been teaching in Chicago public schools since 2016. And, uh, in my time here, I've been able to work with different organizations and

053with different, uh, programs, including government programs and non forprofits. So, um, I've worked closely with the Katar Foundation International. I' I've worked uh with programs from Department of State like the critical language program. I don't know u most people I talk to they don't know that Arabic it's one of the um languages that the government the US government considers a critical language and as such it has support I'm currently working on an uh on a proposal uh for a senate resolution at the state state of Illinois uh to promote the lang the the Arabic language and give it like protections that uh they have federal level but not at the state level. So, uh I'm hearing from uh from colleagues that one of the concerns that the district has is that uh it might not

054be a sustainable program because of lack of teachers. Well, I'm here to speak uh first of all uh I would be available if you open a program. I would come here and teach and I would be I I could be your first teacher if you need it. But that's not I'm I'm not here just to talk about me. I'm here to talk about how I am part of a few initiatives to uh actually certify teachers and we have uh we have an orientation for a teacher certification program starting very soon and we already have 15 teachers interested to get certified for Arabic. I know right now the number is not very big in uh but it's it's I can tell you it's growing and uh organizations like the Cat Foundation International actually have like a

055grant program for uh schools and for districts who want to start programs and they have like they provide funding for five years uh and until the programs become independent and they can run on their own. So there is a lot of infrastructure, there are a lot of uh support, there is a lot of uh uh resources. Uh so and the most important thing is there is a lot of interest in communities. I've been reach uh you know like students have reached out to me, parents have reached out to me, communities with interested in opening programs in other districts too. And if you're interested uh Mr. Jabber has my contact. I'm available uh to provide uh resources and help. Thank you so much. >> Next, >> Mr. Henry. >> I have a I'm Michael Henry. I

056have a couple issues to present to the board members. Specifically, these issues are dealing with Dr. Noling, Drs. Heater, and Miss Waterman. Um, will first step off. Uh, I want to address the complete and utter disgust we have with the entire board. We all know that Dr. Nolting was drunk on a football field, flipped off a 17-year-old kid, and attacked him in the middle of a game on tape. You people did nothing. Has anybody apologized? No. because I've talked to their parents. So, who was on the field and who helped them do that? But then let's go to the other bits of things. Not one of you is legally appointed to this board and you violated state and federal law under the direction of Dr. Noling, Dr. Zeder, and Jennifer Waterman. I have 13 Freedom

057of Information Acts where the school district says it's not their job to see if any of you are pedophiles, convicted of crimes, or anything else. Many of you have been at district 135, 118, and 230. Today, I got while we were in court and you sent your attorney to lie, the judge will deal with that. I turned around and the Illinois State Board of Elections certified that you lied to the court. What it comes out to is simple. Under Illinois law, the superintendent is required by law and you each in front of you have a copy of the Illinois State Board of Education ruling. It says I ask pursuant to Illinois law please provide copies of all files on elected school board members and this the background checks and everything else required by law under

058Illinois law 105 ILCS510-2 that9 the legal responsibility to initiate ensure that criminal background checks are conducted on school board member prior to being sworn into office lines with the school district. So Dr. difficulty when Waterman lies and you lie to the board or are your attorneys that incompetent? How often are you a racist? How many other kids have you called the n-word? How do you attack it? I'm looking in a room full of Arab Americans and all we've seen is racist attacks by the certain white members of this board. But let's ask you this. How many of you have children? How would you like me to start sending people out and attacking them and screaming at them in each sport event like you sent the district superintendent out and did nothing? The public has a

059right to know this man is unfit. Then we have Linder who has lied constantly. She is not on the board. None of you are right here. Here. Just so you do it, Mr. This was filed 20 minutes ago. >> Stay away. >> That's the law. You're a pedophile. 12 years. You've never checked anything. >> Really? >> Next time. >> So, I guess I'm the lucky person that gets to follow that one. Um, thank you very much for this opportunity. My name is Tom Sawyer. Um, and the purpose of my comments are related to co-op sports. My daughter didn't choose D230 as a for a co-op sports because it was easier. She chose it because it made school athletics possible. The co-op gave her a competitive team experience without the year- round demands, cost, and burnouts

060of club sports, allowing her to and her teammates to succeed in the classroom and compete and compete with pride. That balance is exactly what school sports are supposed to provide and is at risk due to proposal five. As a result, I'd like to consider you to consider a counter proposal for submission to the IHSA. Specifically, three potential opportunities to to contest participation threshold. Maybe there's an opportunity to maintain co-ops unless a single school can independently support a full competitive program for multiple consecutive years. Another possibility would be a sunset sunset cause with data review that would allow co-ops to continue with scheduled reassessments every two to three years using transparent criteria not just school size and other vague assumptions. And then finally maybe competitive balance. If balance is a concern and competitiveness and building teams

061that might be super teams is a concern maybe they adjust the conference placement for scheduling instead of eliminating opportunities altogether. So in speaking for all atrisisk co-ops sports at D230 this approach preserves student opportunity and protects successful programs. So in closing my daughter found balance through co-ops. Proposal 5 threatens that balance not just for her but for many students who deserve the same chance. So thank you for the consideration and appreciate your time. Next, Janet Ellen. >> Hi, I'm Janet Allen. Um, following Tom, which was he was very eloquent in his presentation of the points. Uh I am a want to speak to the board also for uh in support of strong support of continuing our district 230 co-op gymnastics program. I'm a concerned parent. I have an athlete, student athlete on the program. Uh

062she is a sophomore. Uh she loves her team. Uh the team is fantastic. It's headed up by uh Dr. Coach Hack and uh it's really been an awesome opportunity for her. Uh academics is first uh for Avery Allen, but uh gymnastics has been uh something that she's pursued since she has been a toddler. And like Tom had pointed out, a lot of the gymnasts along with Avery have been in club. Um but club gymnastics provides for it's almost like a second job, right? School and then club. Uh having the opportunity to be a part of the D230 gymnastics program has enabled Avery to build friendships with her team, not just at other uh teammates at Samberg, but across the district. It has given her balance where she can continue to focus on academics, but pursue

063the sport that she has loved so much and invested 10 years of her life. uh the friendship she's developing, the teaming and the collaboration under the guidance of coach hack has been fantastic. uh it's and I think that as Tom had had posed uh prop five obviously is a challenge right where there's consideration for dismantling uh the co-op program uh the sphere of the creation of a super team uh I think that what I want to convey here is that we've got aligned and very strong parent support across the program also student athlete support which I believe one of our teammates and student athletes is going to speak uh and as well as alignment across the uh uh the athletic directors that whatever we need to do to see a path forward for the program,

064we will do. And if that means uh uh representing individual schools at the state series uh but still being able to work out together in a single facility or if there's other options the board can identify, we are we are committed and resolute in in in in whatever support you need from the parent and athlete group to see a path forward for the program. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Next we have Mary Chamberlain. Good evening, members of the board. My name is Mary Chamberlain and I'm an Orland Park resident. I came tonight to speak about the idea of a Turning Point USA chapter club being part of our schools. You know, I think we can all agree that a school club must remain a student-led group rather than being run by an outside organization. However,

065according to Turning Point USA's 53page handbook, their national office provides a wide range of resources to chapters such as free civic engagement supplies, staff support, funding grants, custom graphics, and general guidance for schools to use through tools like the chapter handbook. If PTUSA wanted you to believe their clubs exist to promote debate and widening of perspectives among young people, this would take place in a debate forum like the school's debate club, not through a national organization's de facto sponsorship like TPUSA. So, I stand with over a thousand people who signed a petition against bringing TPUSA into our schools. Thank you. >> Next, Michael Siri. My name is Mike Suri. I'm an Orland Park resident. I spoke last month on my opposition to TPUSA's Club America in District 230, which my tax dollars support. I said

066then that Turning Point USA's Club America is little more than a prepackaged controversy generating machine that uses students and uses parents to generate publicity and donations for Turning Point USA, the parent organization. Nothing has occurred in the intervening month to change that conclusion. I don't expect anything to change it since my statements are based on information downloaded from the organization's website. It recently came to my attention that District 230 has approved Arabic as a language offering, meaning Arabic will be taught in District 230 classrooms as an equal language skill to Spanish, French, and other languages. It's important progress in our south suburban communities. As a healthcare worker myself, it's important uh to communicate with a diverse spectrum of patients and staff on my job every day. I'm proud that District 230 is not intimidated by

067organizations like Club America, which oppose diversity. I hope that District 230 will continue to support the rich diversity of our South Suburban communities and support the students, parents, and taxpayers who will not be cowed into submission by organizations like Club America, Turning Point USA, or similar groups. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Next, we have Kylie Regger. Good evening. My name is Kylie Wagner and I'm a senior student at Samberg and a member of the district district 230 girls gymnastics team. Gymnastics has been a huge part of my life and my high school experience. I entered into this program as a freshman and made the varsity team. I have been part of a varsity team for the past four years. Through this program, I've learned discipline, perseverance, and how to support my teammates.

068I am proud to represent my school and this district every time I step out to the floor mats or be. Lately, many of us have been hearing rumors that our program might not exist next year at some of or all of the D230 schools due to a change in the IHSA rules. I'm here to say that I think there is flexibility left up to the school districts as to what this looks like and how girls are listed for events may um in the future. Not knowing what is happening has been stressful for my teammates who will be here next year and it's hard to stay focused when we're unsure if our team will be able to continue the sport we love and live. I understand that IHSA proposal 5 has created challenges for co-op programs,

069but I also know that our coaches have shared thoughtful ideas about how gymnastics can continue while still following the rules. We have dedicated coaches, committed athletes, and a facility that works and represents our schools. We have 20 girls on our team from three schools total. We haven't cut girls from the team my my four years. Our coaches work with our team with our coaches work with each of us from the level we enter and grow our skills over the years. We are here and part of the team. High school gymnastics is not the same as club. It gives us the opportunity to be a part of the team, represent our community, and create memories we will carry long after graduation. For me, I was a club a club girl. Me, my friends were from other

070communities and not Morland. We spent multiple hours each day after school in the gym. There was no time for me to hang out or make friends at school because so many of so much of my time was spent in club gymnastics. It wasn't until I came here to D230 Gymnastics that I actually developed school friendships. These relationships and this sport were were so important to me that I finally had to make a choice whether to continue with club or focus my efforts on school on my school team. Sophomore year, I chose my school team. It was one of the hardest decisions I've I've had to make. um chose my friends since I was four years old or choose choose the team I'm growing and supporting into my adulthood. This is this is how important and

071decided dedicated the girls and coaches on this team are. We sincerely ask you to think about how you can maintain the program for the district and work with our coaches to ensure this continues for years to come. I respectfully I respectfully ask for transparency for our coaches to be included in these conversations and for the district to explore solutions before making any decisions about our future. After all, you are here to support the students and that's us. Thank you for listening and supporting us. Good evening. I thought I would actually speak before her, but um so here I am. Uh my name is Renee Wagner and I'm the parent of Kylie Wagner, who just spoke um who's a part of the D230 gymnastics team. Like many families, we've heard the rumors about the possible discontinuation

072of the program. Yet, we have received no clear communication about what is actually being discussed. That uncertainty uncertainty is already affecting our athletes who are asking whether their sport will continue. Gymnastics has had a profound impact on my child. It has built confidence, discipline, and a strong sense of pride in representing her school and this district. This is not something that can simply be replaced by club gymnastics, which she has been a part of for over 10 years. High school gymnastics is a school-based opportunity that fosters teamwork, community, and belonging. and not all families can access private alternatives. I'm going to let Kylie tell you her story, which she already did. Um, so we understand that IHSA proposal 5 has created challenges, especially for co-op programs. However, we are encouraged that our coaches have outlined

073thoughtful costneutral pathways to keep gymnastics viable while remaining compliant with the rules. What we are asking for is transparency, inclusion of coaches in the conversation, and a genuine exploration of solutions before any decisions are made and finalized. D230 has the athletes, coaches, facilities, and community support to sustain many of these programs, including girls gymnastics. This program has deep roots here, and it deserves meaningful discussion, not a quiet disappearance. I'm happy to be contacted to volunteer for any discussions or committees related to this topic. My daughter is graduating this year, so she will not be affected in future years, but I'm happy to serve as a committee member on any team that makes those decisions. So, please feel free to contact me. We thank you for all that you do. We know school being a school

074board member is not easy. You make hard decisions and we appreciate that. Thank you. Good evening. Uh I would like to follow up on the Arabic language course before tonight's meeting before tonight's motion. Um so back in August we had great conversation and energy and ideas but then after that we had limited conversation and communication about the Arabic course. And then November come and there is the the three open vacancies for teacher Arabic teacher for district 230 for the year 2627. And unsurprisingly to you guys that's definitely sparked the hope for us and the excitement for the community with the hope that we will see the course offered this coming year. Community members as well as a sever several board members did show interest and supported this initiative. They recognize the value of this course

075for our students as well as its educational need, their educational needs and for the district 230 as a leader. It's also an opportunity to celebrate diversity, the incredible diversity we have in district 230 with more than 34% of our students coming from a taxpaying Arabic speaking household. Let's put it in simple words. We as a community can or can guarantee you the success of this course, but we also understand that the board will see it from different perspective. That's why we're asking for a realistic first step pilot study in multiple school or just one school chosen randomly. A one course where students know ahead of time that there might not be a follow-up courses. The best way to collect data, we can gather insight as well as build a strong foundation for this program in

076the coming years. our goal as a community to support this process fully by heart, ear and mind. We really hope tonight that the motion will reflect the spirit of collaboration. Our community really believes in you guys as the board member who cares and listen and work with us hand by hand for the best of our students. And let's just be honest, the start of any successful program start with a single step. And tonight that single step is in your hand. It's a step to show our student, thousands of them in this district that they really matter. It's a way to make them connected to their heritage as well as to show them or let them see themselves reflected in their educational. It's another way to show families, especially Arabic speaking families, that their voices are

077heard. So let's just tonight I urge you district 230 board members. Let's lead with vision, courage and heart. Let's be leader who opens doors, not the ones who follow. Because this course it's not just a course. It's a legacy for inclusion, for opportunity and hope. So let's do it together. Thank you. All right. Next on the agenda is the consent agenda. Do I have a motion? >> I move the school board approve the consent agenda as presented. >> I second. Are there any questions? >> Any questions? Okay. Lisa, you may take the role. Member. >> Yes. >> Member. >> Yes. >> Member Jabber. >> Yes. >> Member Kelly. >> Yes. >> Member Casmir. >> Yes. Motion passed. All right. Next, we're going to business services and we have been anticipating this. No pun intended. Mr.

078Egan, taxation warrants update. >> I did. I >> was nicely done. Nicely done. Thank you. Um, so I wanted to provide the board with an update uh regarding our tax anticipation warrants that we issued back in December. Um, there's um in the memo an updated timeline and then I also wanted to include some information regarding costs that we talked about at the building and finance committee. Um just to take a step back in October uh we reviewed what TAWWs were at the building and finance committee and then subsequently at the board meeting in October the board passed a resolution authorizing an issuance of 35.4 million um to happen at any time. Um, in November, we received bids from three financial institutions. And so, while we were reviewing those bids, we were notified that, uh, Cook

079County was actually in the process of printing and t of um, um, mailing those tax bills, and that would be done, um, and and due by the middle of December. So, we kind of paused our our pursuit of these tax anticipation warrants. uh a month passed and we still had no tax receipts uh to be uh to be um booked in our in our uh general ledger. So we decided to re-engage discussions with the bank to see if we could issue those TAWs. Uh and on December 19th, we received 34.5 million in tax anticipation warrants. That helped us close out our uh bills payable and our payroll obligations for the month of of December. While we are on Christmas break, we received two pack distributions, one on December 29th, one on December 30th. They were

080equal amounts and each one represented about 20% of the amount. We received about 22.9 million in each of those, so times two. Um, so that was good news to close out the calendar year. Uh, as we move forward into January, in the middle of the month, we received a notification from the the Cook County Treasurer saying that they've established a three-week distribution schedule and provided us the dates of which we should expect tax distributions. Uh, so far we've received four additional tax distributions in January totaling 15.6 million. Uh so thus far we've received 61.7 million of the anticipated 72 million that was owed in this second payment of our 2024 tax uh distribution. Um the good news is is that because of the tax proceeds we received we were able to close out our tax

081anticipation warrant obligation on Tuesday. So we paid back the bank on Tuesday with those proceeds. that basically stopped the interest payment that we had. Um the total cost of the borrowing uh had two components to it. One, an issuance um fee when we issued issued these back in December. That was $27,500 to go through that process. And then the final interest payment was just over $174,000. So the total cost of borrowing was $21,000 and some change. while we had possession of those TAWWs, we earned interest. So that's good news. We earned just over $100,000 in interest. So if you net those two out, the total cost uh net cost of issuing the TAWS was just over $101,000. So that was a number I wanted to bring back to the board as I promised when we

082were issuing these. Two things as a side note. This once we receive the remaining, you know, nine and a half million back uh for the 24 tax cycle, that closes out that tax cycle. So, that's good. We'll receive all that money. Um and we can look forward to the 2025 tax cycle. Uh it's anticipated and kind of rumored that the bills for the first dist or installment of the 2025 tax uh payments will be delayed by a month. So, typically March 1st is the due date. We're hearing that April 1st will be the due date for that distribution. Uh we anticipate that that will still provide enough time for us to receive those proceeds prior to June 30th and that will fit into this year's budget as planned. Are there any questions about tax anticipation

083warrant or the memo? >> No, we just thank you and continue the work. um the fact that we have lost money with investments and all of that is a shame and I hope that all the districts continue to band together to stand up to something that caused difficulty and a monetary loss on our end. So, thank you for your continued efforts. >> Sure thing. Thank you. >> All right. Next, we have I think you're still up there. We have our enrollment projections. >> All right. Thank you. Um, so this is the the time of year we we take a look at the enrollment projections uh for district 230. Uh, I've attached a memo and some charts in the uh in board docs. Uh, so you will see that. Um, this is an annual uh 5-year

084enrollment projection. We do um as of December, that's kind of when we collect all the data. Uh the projection uses a cohort survival method uh which basically means that we just move kids through the uh the system in terms of freshmen become sophomores next year, sophomores, juniors, so on and so forth. Uh in order to collect the data for the incoming kids that we currently don't have, we reach out to area elementary schools both private and and public um and and receive the projection information they currently have in their enrollment uh systems. uh right now. So the the data that we have uh uh presented is a projection because kids do move in and out and the uh submitted data cannot predict future shifts or changes uh but really tells a snapshot of what we

085know at the current moment. These enrollment figures that we project will be used for things like budgeting. So as we look at supply budgets, purchase service, capital outlay, we'll adjust accordingly. If uh one building goes up or down or however that projects out, we can adjust our budgeting. Our financial projections uh are affected by this. uh we look at attendance zones to make sure that schools are equally uh balanced in terms of uh pro projected enrollments and then facility planning with regard to capacity of buildings and then also uh furniture needs for those buildings as well. Um staffing for next year uh is driven not necessarily by these projections but by course requests both from existing high school students and any incoming eighth grade students. Uh if you look at the charts and graphs, overall

086the district enrollment is projected to be pretty stable over the next five years. Uh total enrollments ranging anywhere from 7,400 to 7,700 students. Uh this uh predictable cohort movement from 9 to 12 uh doesn't have any year-to-year fluctuations that would uh be anything but a sustained growth or decline. It's it's pretty um uh pretty flat in terms of of uh growth. or decline for those years. Individually, if we look at each of the high schools, they show similar patterns in terms of overall stability uh with regard to the cohortdriven uh numbers. Uh Samberg High School is still projected to be the largest uh enrollment of the three schools. Uh consistent enrollment about 2,800 uh students. Um however, we're anticipating a larger than normal freshman class in 2029 2030. Stag High School is also uh like

087I said um projected to remain steady. Uh we are looking at anywhere from the mid 2400s to the mid 2500s for those five years. And again looking at 9th grade classes the 26 27 and the 28 29 freshman class seem to be a little bit higher than what we normally have. And at Andrew, again, stable enrollment looking around 200 or 2200 kids um with a slight increase uh driven by the incoming freshman class of 2030 31. Any questions about the enrollment projections for this year? >> Yeah, I guess a quick question. Uh just so everybody knows too, uh I I understand this is pretty much generated by common formulas. Um do we do anything else additionally taking into consideration um upcoming um building projects, housing projects, developments that specifically in Portland um other 230 communities?

088>> Yeah, we had this conversation a little bit building and finance. Um the the model that we're using is strictly a cohort survival type of process. If there are certain areas that we want to, we could always estimate what those students are and then build that into the model. Currently, and I think in recent history, we haven't done that. Uh those types of studies could be better suited for a demographer. Uh we're going to talk about that in a in a few uh moments here that later on in the agenda. Um so the answer is we could do that. We typically don't put things like that into this model. >> So, we'll come back to that. >> All right. Any other questions? >> All right. Next, we have our district 230 2026 E R switch

089RSP. >> I move that. >> Hold on. Do we are we need to make the motion with that first before? >> I'll I'll keep it super brief. Um, is it is it finally explain it or we just roll? >> Hold on. I just want to bring Sorry about that. >> Okay, I'll keep >> I just want to break. >> I'll keep it brief. We talked about this in building and finance, but um two years ago, our switches were at the end of their life. we were able to extend them out two years in order to take advantage of the federal e-ate uh funding which uh gives us a rebate of 50% on the purchase. So we went through the -ate um RFP process and ended up selecting the lowest and best uh best solution which

090is cubid. All right. Now, how many have a motion? >> I move that the school board authorize administration to sign the um Juniper >> Juniper switch contract from cubit as presented. >> Second. >> Any other questions or concerns? >> All right. Now, >> member Dalton, >> yes. >> Member Daml, >> yes. >> Member, >> yes. >> Member Kelly, >> yes. >> Member, >> yes. >> Member, >> yes. >> Member, >> yes. Motion passed. All right. Next, may I have a motion on the Hback bid results? >> All right, we'll get you two. We have the bid opening for mechanical back the summer. Sorry, um we had a very competitive bid. Um all the developments came in uh pretty good range within each other. Um the low bid was Amber Mechanical. We've worked with them in

091the past and recommending them for uh a work tonight. >> I think when what's alternate alternate bid where the makeup air units for the kitchens um it out in a process to where if we didn't think we'd have the funding to do all the project, they were able to piece it off and just the basement. >> The were added. Correct. >> All right. Call for motion. >> I move that the school board award the 2026 mechanical unit replacement project to Amber Amber Mechanical Contractors Inc. Else of Illinois for the total amount of 759,000. >> Second. >> Any questions? >> Right. Lisa. >> Member Dalton. >> Yes. >> Member. >> Yes. >> Member Jer. >> Yes. >> Member Kelly. >> Yes. >> Member. Yes. >> Yes. Motion passed. All right, Dave, you're up there. Continue with

092projects reports. >> Okay. Currently, we have two projects for the summer >> for the summer for the uh upcoming projects that we discussed in building finance, uh dance floor, stadium lights. Um but, uh currently still locking in pricing and getting our uh summer set. So, if anybody has any questions. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next, we're coming back to something that's piqued all of our curiosity. Under new or old business, we have new business demographic study informationational. >> If I could just kick off, we uh received a an inquiry from board member Jabber, uh Mr. Mr. Egan and I regarding the potential for a demographic study and as uh pointed out by member Danlow. Um you know it is a little bit more of a robust opportunity to look at enrollment projections beyond u

093the model that that uh Mr. Egan just presented to the board. Um we have not done one um since 2004 in our district. So it's been a very long time since we have uh pursued those. Uh there is an additional cost. Um we'd have to do a little bit more work to get a precision cost but I think Mr. Egan and I have talked to some folks. We believe it'll be around a $30,000 cost to the district. However, um we have not done it in 21 years. So, um we understand that, you know, it might be good for us to uh um consider doing one in order to um plan for the future for our facilities. So, uh we wanted to have some board discussion just to get some idea and potentially some direction moving

094forward. Uh >> could you give us just a little more detail of like what um you know information is returned to us in the demographic study? Is it the demographics of our community? Is it just of our school body? I mean, what are what are we getting out of? >> Yeah, it it's primarily a a residential enroll U population uh study. So, it's not necessarily I don't believe Jeeoff, you you have more expertise in this. I don't believe it's looking at your your demographics in terms of socioeconomics or racial ethnic de demographics, but it is looking at um you know, residential areas, potential for growth, um commercial areas, things of that nature. Correct, Mr. Egan? >> Yeah. No, it's a comprehensive look um a number of different things. They also take a look at all

095of our feeder district enrollment trends as well. So, kind of what we just did but at a greater scale. Uh, obviously those are the kids that are going to feed into our district. Uh, they look at housing trends, they look at economic trends. Um, they'll look at um potential growth in terms of commercial and residential. Um, so it's it's they're experts in that. They're actually trained and licensed in things like that. So, uh, our studies are very simplistic and we kind of move kids around. They would have a better idea of the impact of some of these things that we talk about, whether it's a commercial development or it's a a new subdivision coming in um or something that is potentially down the road. They'll create scenarios. So they'll say, "Okay, we think this, but

096what if 80% of that happens or 50%." And so you can kind of see there's different scenarios to uh to evaluate. And um you know, sometimes they'll say scenario A is probably not likely, but B and C is where you probably will be. Um so it kind of gives you some idea of of uh if everything comes to fruition as they're saying, this is the most likely outcome. And I have the 20041 we found it. So we could certainly provide it. It's usually a 10-year look ahead. Um so it goes only goes through 2014. Uh we had not gone back to see how accurate they were. Uh but we do have that one if you want to get a flavor for what it costs uh or what it uh what that money is spent. It

097was a $13,000 uh expense 20 years ago. So we kind of projected forward. Um, >> is it necessary? I mean, like, are we required by law to do it or or anything? >> It's not required. >> It's just good practice to to have it done. >> I I think there's there's there's benefits to doing it, of course, at at the risk of the cost, of course, but there are benefits to doing it. Um, and and and again, it really is grounded in your long-term fin uh facility planning. >> Okay. Do you do they work with the municipalities to see what's on the forefront that we might not even have yet heard about? >> Um, it's a good question. They might reach out and and get some idea with maybe the economic developer to see what's

098on the the docket, what's been platted, what's been in discussion. Um, I I think there's a reach out or some sort of information gathering. Um, but again, we have, you know, how many communities they would have to >> Yeah. The the one question I have is in looking at at the um numbers that you gave us, we're pretty flat for the next five years. Um and based upon where we were back in 2000 when we had large enrollments at all the schools, there's a lot of room, there's a lot of capacity in each school. Um if you compare where we are now, where we were then. So my question is if if we do this study, how many more students would come out of this study to say that we've got problems at our schools?

099Okay. So what I'm trying to say is it seems like we have a lot of capacity right now based on where we were and where we are now. So, if we do this study and we find out we're going to have another, just to throw out a number, 500 students that are going to impact our schools, we can absorb that without really doing a whole lot from at least the plant perspective. So, my question gets back to maybe kind of where Chris was at. Do we really need to do this um based on the the excess capacity we currently have? That's a good question. I think the the catalyst for doing something like this would be to uh there's outside um questions as to what impact may something like this occur. Maybe it's a like

100I said a new residential or new commercial. Um we are not experts in that. So, this would be an un um uh better third party that would would come in and give some some truth or some ideas to what the real impact would be on that. Um if if those questions aren't out there, uh and we see a steady enrollment like you like we see, um maybe this isn't the uh the avenue to go down. But I think I think the due diligence watching some of the grade schools um and you think in district 140 with the building of Millennium in the last how many years with district 135 they watched those and their projections like you said um ever territory they had some breaking points with that. So and then I know then when

101the economy stopped kind of changed then the building stopped but that's not the case anymore. So, I know it will cost some money, but I think what you said is with the outside experts looking at at all of those forces, I do think it's a worthwhile endeavor, then that would be triangulating with what you said. If they're predict predicting 400 students because now it's the high school and we know we have this capacity and this capacity because if it doesn't and it's even larger then this board or the next board or the next board after is going to have to look at the reality of potentially boundary lines between our high schools or something like that. So I'd rather have that kind of as an updated baseline and then we go from there. So that's

102just me. >> I um Dr. Noling or you were going to say something. >> Um, >> you want to go ahead? You want to ask your question? >> I I have a question. Um, so, you know, between last year, what's going on this year? We know that there's I'm sorry. Thank you. >> Thank you, Chris. Um so we know from conversations with the village of Orland um between last year and this year uh some potential residential um growth and we I'm not sure where things hit in Tinley Park at this point. My question would be, would this better serve us if we did this study next year when they have a better idea of some of these developments than doing it this school or at this time when that information may not be fulfilled or

103worked out as well as it should be to give us a clear picture. So I'm my question is is this the year to do this study or would we be better served with the study possibly next year because I do think that we haven't had a study in a long time. I do think that it would make sense to do it just from being a resident and kind of hearing um from the municipalities that we serve and I think the two big ones that would have the most growth potential would be Orland Park and Tinley. Um, do we wait one more year before we do this study and we may have better information or is this or are they able to project that? It sounded like we're not sure how much conversation these consultants do

104with municipalities. Um, so that's my question. What would you think is a better time to do that? >> I think you'd get a better report and better projection with more known information. So I think if if the board feels that we are we will have additional information next year then that might be worth moving it down the road. My only other argument would be that next year we might be like well there's probably more ne more down the road there. So at some point >> right I understand when do you decide to dive in and do it? >> Yes. To answer your question, Jeeoff, uh Jeff and I attended the the a tiff meeting a couple months ago in Orland Park that was specific to a tiff that does not have any residential uh development,

105but there was discussion about um potentially some things coming down the pipe. Um in addition to the fact that we know we do have one development that's breaking ground um on the corner of 159th and um Lraange. Um but if I I attended the um Orland Park mayor's presentation um and we do anticipate there's going to be a deep discussion at at the village with regard to uh property to the west of Orland Park. So to your point um I think a demographic study is something that we should be considering doing, but it may behoove us to to delay it until we get a little bit more progress from uh the new leadership at Orland Park. um because there might be some um information that comes forward in the next couple months that that might

106let us get a little bit more specificity. >> And Sue, just to answer your question, Tinley Park's growth is all will county. >> So, as far as the impact on 230, I I don't see much growth left in Tinley >> in our boundary, >> right? It's all going to be Will County. um for the high schools. Um I know 20 years ago we probably 3,800 or 3500 at Sandberg, but now the current um is the current law still reflects that like can we still have 3500 at Sanber High School for example or like 3,000 at Stag or >> are you speaking from a facility standpoint? >> From a facility standpoint. Yeah, >> we we um we did a a space study when we actually built on the extent the expansion at Stag High School just

107to to to determine in in modern if you will, modern terms. So I I could without giving you specific numbers tonight, we we would have room for growth at both Andrew and and Samberg High School based on this the the space study that we received. Uh we're actually a little bit more space rich, if you will, at Andrew High School when it comes to per pupil uh square foot per pupil. Uh but there is room at uh at Samberg as well. SAG even with the expansion is is a little bit more kept. Um but again that's also a community that we're not anticipating significant growth as well. >> Could we bring that back to Could we bring that back to building and finance more with that? So we have an understanding of that. Then the

108space study like what you said what you were just telling us >> did we would were we in the process of seeing if they would update the architects would update the space study from 20121. >> Okay. So, we would we would like it to be updated, but we could definitely ask the architects to do that and bring it to a building and finance meeting down the road >> because that might then determine the the need possibly when we >> got a whole lot of buffer. You know, >> that's a good idea. >> That that would be another I think another big thing to consider too is you know our our life safety uh study with the the amount of money we are going to have to put in to the three schools over the next

10910 years. Um, I think that can only help to guide us and, you know, rather than throwing good money after bad and then coming back in two years and saying, "Well, we just had three or four huge developments come in and and a lot more students. Now we're kind of tight on space and um, you know, I I think it can help assure the taxpayers, too, that hey, look, we're we're on the right path as far as enrollment goes." um you know to go ahead and proceed with you know the the things that we have to do with life safety. >> Can I ask a couple questions? You go first. >> Uh does the space study or report with the architects carry major cost because I mean and is that something we'd be doing anyway

110because I mean I just wouldn't want to spend $8,000 having the architects update a space study? No. >> Originally this would just be updating numbers that it wouldn't be significant. Okay. If they may, you could charge >> 8,000 on the 30,000. >> Yeah. I didn't want to spend 8,000 trying to avoid 30,000, you know. >> If it were from the beginning, it probably would have been a cost behind it, but since we've done this already. >> Yeah. >> I just have a couple questions. Um, what kind of company does this because you keep saying they I'm assuming there's not a million of these demographing demographer companies. Do we have someone in mind? >> Yeah. What we we did in 2004 uh is associates. They they are still a current company. They do a lot of

111different things like this. There's financial things they do in their armographer. I know there's at least two individuals that company that does this. One of them's out of Indiana. The other one I think's local. So there are people who do this. they uh specialize in it. So it is maybe a handful of people that could do something like this. Um I've been experienced this twice before. So there there are um specific individuals and you actually meet with that person who owns the company. So my second question is and I have been part of boards that hired consultants and sort of it's pretty expensive and it the result is uh underwhelming and I was just wondering I know this is going way back but do we know if it was worth it last time did it

112like I understand Mr. Jabber's caution but like how did you come upon this caution? Did someone come to you and say this is a great idea or is there do you know the company or how did you come up about yeah like how did you come upon because you were the one who kind of got this ball rolling right >> look at the growth in Orland Park >> so you kind of just have this worry >> it's not a worry just look at the growth it's good to do a demographic study is it common among school districts to do demographic studies >> from time to time >> yeah it's been 21 years >> do we have any idea Tony were you on the board in 2004 was it 2004. Uh >> no, but it was

113actually uh >> my uh my oldest son was freshman. >> Yeah, we we don't know the specific reason, but if you look at the enrollment patterns that that the district was was realizing, it was a significant growth period in our time. So, it's it's um predictable that the administration and the board at the time figured that if they needed to see if they were realizing that continued growth, you probably were going to have to have a decision at that time whether you're going to build a fourth high school or expand upon your three even though they just expanded about four years prior to um but we don't know that for certain because the administration and the board um there's there's no Yeah, they're all gone. So, and to your and to your point too, there's

114a lot of undeveloped land in Orland Park where you might have a lot of developers with residential coming in. >> I I get the caution. I also kind of am thinking about uh Mr. Sarator's comment that look, we have a lot of extra capacity. the likelihood we're going to get overwhelmed in the next two or three years is so minimal that it seems like if you want to pull the trigger on a $30,000 expenditure. It seems like you do it every year. You know, you kind of decide every year if you really need it because I don't know, it's a decent amount of money and I understand the caution, but I just can't imagine >> we'll be in a 2004 situation where we're, you know, that board's panicking a little bit. Not panicking, but trying

115to be cautious. >> What caution? No, I think you're being cautious. Like you're saying, look, these open these open lands. We don't want to be caught. >> I think it was the word choice when you say caution. >> so am I am I hearing just for for sake of summaries, am I hearing that the board would like to see an updated space study that we did in 2022 and then potentially carry the conversation whether or not we should determine a demographic study based on that information that could help drive it. >> Yep. >> I like how you synthesized that because that was one of our goals. We were kind of One more. Um, so next building and finance will discuss the space study. >> Is that can can I can I get back from the

116architects timetable for you? But yeah, we we'd aim for February, but we would want to work with them first. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. Next, under new business, we have responsible bidder ordinanceformational. I know that has um come to light. We had a speaker a couple months ago and people have asked for more information about that. >> So, yes. So, uh, just to to kick off the conversation, it was, as Dr. Zeter said, it was brought up at our last meeting. Um, the the concept of a responsible bid ordinance. I prepared a memo with, um, some information about what it is, as well as, um, we did, uh, confer with our legal council at HLK with regard to the proposal, uh, which is included in the memo, um, and a draft of one

117particular, um, example, I guess, which would be from Orland Park Village, who does have, uh, this ordinance. Um so we wanted to give that we I provided that in advance to both Dr. Zeter and Mr. Casmmer. You have it at your table just for review. Uh but obviously we wanted to give you the information uh in terms of discussion and for the board to provide direction regarding this particular um concept. Go >> ahead. Um, so you know, if I understand like the responsible bidder ordinance, the one thing that it it sort of um encourages our like contractors that we do um aside of like prevailing rate requirements and things like that, it's it's also that they have to participate in um apprentichip programs, you know, Department of um labor bureau of apprentichip and training certified

118programs and that those programs have to actually graduate apprentices. Um, you know, I think it's like generally a good thing for us to add on to our, you know, policies. Um, you know, or bid requirements for that. I mean, just last month, our curriculum spotlight was all about kids like trying to go into like CT and stuff like that. And, you know, I think it's good for us to support organizations and contractors that, you know, um, are creating opportunities for our students as they come out of here. Um, you know, I as much as I'm a supporter of prevailing rate, like I would also, you know, be a supporter of something like this because I think it also, you know, protects the district from fly by night contractors and those, you know, that you don't

119have a long-standing commitment to uh aircraft. >> Yeah. >> Um, to that point, Dave, I I just I know that we have that uh in our bid packages about prior projects and schools and things of that nature. So, I do want to make sure that the board realizes that we put protections into our bid packages for that reason. Correct, Dave? >> Correct. We have a lot of uh protections for the school district in our bid packages. Um extended from the uh apprentichip program, but all of it that's listed in there and almost everything in that uh memo from last week is is pretty much what we do in school district by state law. uh the rail wage the contractor has to other municipality the school districts uh contracts of the same size within the last

120three years we see their financials we see uh they submit a lot of things to school district to make sure that we're getting a qualified contractor and that if uh we have a problem with it we have the right to reject it >> and and as you'll see in the memo the ordinance is really designed for municipalities who do not have the same restrictions that school districts do vis school code. Um and and the one thing that I do want to point out that was in part of the recommen or the the um I guess the feedback from Hler Thurquis, you know, we want to be very cautious and and minimally look into some of of the of the bids. Um I mean, it could reduce significantly the number of bids that we receive for

121projects, which tends to inflate the cost of projects. Um, so I just want to be cautious with putting things in there that might actually have an inadvertent effect. Even though I think that what the intent is is um I think we all share that that same desire, if you will, but having that in policy might might might be might encumber some of those bids in the future. And even in some cases, I know we were talking about the the was it the fiber optics bid, John, that >> we we might not have any actual certified biders for projects um specific projects if nobody in the industry has people that went through apprenticeships. Okay, >> so we just have to be cautious at this particularly moving forward and even with the language itself. >> Um there's

122only four uh six districts in the state of Illinois that adopted it. Four adopted it as it pertains to their villages language. Uh, Manuka and CPS are the only other two districts that have this in their in their uh in their actual policy have this language. >> Now, is it the is it a resolution or >> it would be would actually be a policy that we would have to adopt. I I don't know what policy number it is, but we'd have to amend current policies to >> and I and I do agree with Chris. I think it's a it'll be a good policy resolution to have. Um, it's a good taxpayer protection plan. Um, and I don't know. I That's a good question. With the fiber optic, but with the other work, it would possibly

123provide better quality work that could last 20 years, maybe instead of 10 years. >> Um, district 218 did adopt this. >> And and I look into that. It wasn't in that district that I did. So I do I think it's a good policy to look at and to start um discussing more about this. I think it's you know if it helps students to join apprenticeship as well that way they could benefit from that. I think it it's a policy I would support. >> No the only thing though again I'm going to I'm going to kind of go off of what Dr. Noling said and I think we have to be really really cautious um on on what we do here and how we word it. I understand all your points and and it's well taken

124and and whatever. Um, but again, I I I just want to make sure that that we don't condense the available contractors out there so much that we potentially get in a situation where either there are no contractors available that meet all these requirements or again we have such a a limited number that we may end up paying more than than we should. I think that if we look back over the history of the contractors who have been here, and yes, we've had some issues with especially the the ball field that's staged. We understand that. Um that's going to happen once in a while. But overall, I would say a large very large percentage of the contractors that we brought in here have done great work for us. Um, and I I don't see Muhammad Al

125the one statement you made is, well, instead of it lasting 10 years, we get this other contractor, it's going to last 20. I don't think that's that's reality. Um, you know, maybe it's a a year more or something, but what at what cost? So, I really we need to really think this through and be very cautious um on how we word this and what we require so we don't put the district in a bind to potentially not be able to do some of the work that we need to do. >> Could we could you um Dr. Nelson, you said you'd look into district 218. Could you share with us 218s? So then we look like you said um Mr. territory about that and we're looking at all those considerations >> and then I think Oakan

126High School has one as well. Can you look into that? I I think I don't know if >> members Dalton >> I just wanted to add one more thought to this um as we try to navigate and and think about this consider this is that we are in the field of education and we want to make sure that uh in from my point of view we should be encouraging our kids when they're going to pursue through a career to go through a path where they're going to get the best resources for the career they're going to do. And so if they go through a certified program where they're going to be able to learn the trade the right way and not go through and work with my friend's dad's brother um and learn the trade

127in that way and and you know both routes get you there. But when you go through an established trade program and you're learning the trade the right way, most of the time you will find that tradesmen the cost difference is minimal because they are able to do it efficiently. They know the best practices. And so, um, because we're in education, I want to support our students to be looking at these opportunities to go through, um, a process of actually learning these trades the way to get the best skill set that they can get. Um, and you know, we we want our um, other areas to be educated and we want to promote that. you know, we promote our teachers to go on to get their masters and their doctorates. Um, education is really important and

128I do think this is an area that we could show support for education in another area. Um, and that's all. I just I would just like to consider this to learn more about this and think of it in that realm as well. Thank you. So again, synthesizing, I think what I'm hearing is that the board is is interested in looking to see how this might um look moving forward, seeing what other districts might be using some of the similar language and and even if they are, we could look u have some conversations with their leadership to see the pluses and minuses that they've um experienced once they adopted this policy. And I could bring that back again. Um I'll aim for the February building finance if that will work. Um but if it doesn't um

129if we don't fit the timeline, I'll certainly be in communication and let you know. We'll bring it down the road. >> Yeah. I'd just like to see mostly how how much it might shrink our our bidder pool. >> Um if if there's not many that can meet, you know, these requirements of being part of a, you know, somebody who could bid on, you know, to a school with a with a bidding ordinance, um you know, then then that would be a real problem. But I I agree with everything else that you said about quality of work and all that. But um if it's something where there's not that many places out there that can meet the requirements, then that has to be something we consider, too. Uh I I would just like to add one

130more comment just because uh you know this is my industry. Um you know I I can tell you from you know firsthand knowledge that uh all of the biders who returned a bid for the HVAC um HVAC um project that we're going to discuss or that we already approved all of them would meet this standard. That would not have narrowed that in any way. Um, I do know several months ago, I'm not going to mention the name of the contract because I don't want to get sued for disparaging a contractor publicly, but we had a contractor reply to one of our bids that's well known in our industry for, you know, um, being what we just call a briefca briefcase contractor that like was going to resub the workout somewhere else. Like, fortunately, they were

131not our low bid. um you know and and it went to the low bidder actually would still meet the um requirement or this language but it would have excluded that bid from that one contractor that that was not low. Right. So I I do think that like you know there are advantages to stuff like this that it also like gets rid of separates some wheat from the chaff sometimes. Um you know and maybe off of a microphone. I'll tell you who those contractors were and what the the package was. But uh you know >> what's that term again? Briefcase company. Brief >> briefcase contractor. >> Well, that's what we call them. Like somebody who doesn't do any work. >> That's the term brief. >> It's informal. >> Is that a Casmer term or is that

132a >> No, it's it's some people say that I I've heard a lot in construction, right? Where they're they're out bidding on stuff, but they don't employ any trades people. They don't GC the work. They're just trying to get a low bid and they're going to resub it all out and hope that they're, you know, that they get that margin. So, >> thank you. >> Um, for one, Dr. Noting for when we um accept a contract accept a contract do the contractor mostly do the contractor do the work or do they norm do they subcontract it to a company >> that would be in the bid correct Dave >> it's a requirement in our bids that they perform one of the major trades so if they're an HVAC contractor that sub the electrical out contractor

133project they sub out the the roofing part for the supports they don't obviously not a lot of companies have all of that so that's why we made the must do one trade. So it's a big percentage of the project. >> So the primary work has to be done by the company on the bid. But if they have to contract with an electrician to come in and do one portion, >> correct? >> Okay. >> Or if it's an electrical thing, it's a roof thing. It depends on the project really. But they the bidder has to perform at least one major trade in the package. >> But not not the primary trade. >> Well, I'm just trying to clarify because Bob asked um you know, do they have to perform the primary part of the job and

134that's not the requirement right that we have the requirement is they have to perform some aspect of it one of the traits correct we usually review a Make sure they're qualified. Make sure they stand by the no mistakes like that. We've had >> Okay. >> We'll come back with information. >> All right. Thank you. All right. Next on our new business is the IHSA cooperative programs. >> Yes. First of all, if I could just begin by thanking the the student athletes who I think all for study maybe studying nutrition or something. Um as well as the parents who came out. Yes. Thank you. Um just to give a board an update as as you heard in the in the board comment as well as in the education committee report, you know, we were very much

135disappointed with the uh membership vote um on Proposition 5, which uh has a deep um impact on six programs in district 230. um explaining a brief moment to the board of the bylaw process from the IHSA. The IHSA has an open uh democratic process where they'll take um uh proposals to the bylaw adjustments from any member school in the state of Illinois. Um if they are vetted through a legislative uh procedure process um they will go to the membership for vote. So obviously prop five um went to the legislative process um and frankly um went to the membership vote. Um once it got up uh up and running uh we did reach out to the IHSA and other uh schools to see uh pardon the expression what kind of legs this proposal had. We were

136told at the time that it was very uh they they didn't see it happening. They didn't see moving forward. Um so we were relatively surprised when the December vote hit and it was actually on the ballot. Um and got overwhel uh not overwhelming but got uh a decent amount of support. Um throughout that process, District 230 wrote a dear colleague letter to the IHSA in the IHSA board of elective uh of officials. Um which is the good news is we have one uh friendly face on the board which is our very own uh Steve Shans who's the athletic director here um at uh at Samberg High School. Um, and we also, um, wrote a a, um, impassion letter to the IHSA board to minimally delay the implementation of this bylaw until, uh, schools like us

137could have a a longer runway to make some decisions. Uh, both were of course denied by the board. Um, and we are where we're at today. Um, as you heard, gymnastics is definitely a program that is impacted by this decision, as well as girls wrestling, boys and girls lacrosse, and boys and girls water polo at Samber, excuse me, Stag and Andrew. um the the other co-ops are currently three school co-ops. Uh but as you know based on enrollment projections, any co-op between any two of our schools would would violate Prop 7. Uh we've also did a lot of work with the IHSA to better define what sports um how sports would be impacted if they are team sports versus individual sports. What I mean by individual sports is uh students uh student athletes can score

138individually um in in game medals as an individual um and and then team sports are bracketed sports that obviously scores a whole team. So within that um we have four that are qualified as team sports and two that qualify as individual which is gymnastics and uh our girls wrestling program. Uh we're in the process of working with our athletic directors. We're in the process of working with our building principles um Dr. Huffman um and Mr. Egan from a financial perspective are are getting involved and we're working on uh proposals to bring to our uh actually our ED committee next week for discussion. Um but um but we would also like to hear some some thoughts from the board from some direction. Um I will tell you currently it it it would be an option for

139our girls gymnastics program and our girls wrestling programs to compete and maintain their programs as is. The only downside is they would not qualify for a team trophy. So, the girls themselves can qualify for an individual state title in in whatever category they're in or what whatever weight class they're in, but you can't have a team uh recognition. So, as many of you know, District 230 girls wrestling is the reigning state champ. Um so, if this, for example, next year were to be in place, uh girls could score and and get individual medals, but we would be disqualified, if you will, from the team trophy. That that luxury is not there for the lacrosse and the water polar programs. However, um those programs can compete during the academic year or excuse me, during the season.

140Um so they could play other schools in the in the in the state of Illinois, but when it comes to tournament time, if they remained as a co-op, they would not be able to compete at the IHSA tournament level. Um I will tell you, I've reached out to about six or seven other four or five other um superintendents um and asked if they would be interested if they kept their co-ops together on the team sport level. um would they be interested in having a cooperative invitational at the end of the year to replicate some sort of state series? Um I didn't receive any commitments, but I received interest um on that proposal. So there are some options. We just want to get some discussion from the board so that we know what we present to

141you in um uh our next meeting um at uh uh next Wednesday is something that you would support because there are some financial considerations. Obviously, we're looking at supporting student athletes to the best of our ability. Uh, I'm not going to lie and tell you that there are there are going to be some student athletes that are probably going to have these opportunities u removed from from them just because some schools aren't able to support independent programs. Um, but it it's uh we'd also like to see if we could, pardon the expression, minimize the damage to some of our student athletes because as you heard from our our parents and our students, you know, whatever the sport is, it doesn't matter to to us, it matters to them uh dearly. Um, so we want to

142see what what opportunities we have to maintain sports the best we can. But I'd like to hear from the board. Um, or answer any questions you may have. >> First, how many I I saw the number. I don't have it with me. How many member schools voted in favor of this? >> It was, I think, 64%. I don't know the number, but 64ish%. >> And then, so to delay it, would that come from the member schools or would that come from the IDA board only? >> So, it would be it would be a little bit of a mixed process. it would the the board of directors would would actually position it back to the legislative commission. They actually just did this with the recently adopted football proposal. They met uh with the legislative commission and

143adjusted the school calendar. Um so we asked for the same consideration which they the board itself denied. >> And then one more question. >> Yep. for the co-ops if they're going to ex and hopefully they will exist next season. Can they compete still even with do they only compete with other co-op schools or can they compete with like a single single team? >> They the regular season they could compete with any school in the IHSA when it gets to tournament time though those team sports >> wouldn't be able to participate in the state series. Correct. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Can I ask a question? >> Yes. Um, so as far as the the strictly team sports go, when we're talking lacrosse, we're talking water polo, um, in the eyes of IHSA to maintain as

144an IHSA sport, what is the minimum number of participating teams that they require? Is it is it 50? >> So, they have a a a proposal that some former idiotic board member wrote 10 years ago. Um, I was on the board then 10 years ago and I wrote, so I'm familiar with this. >> Interesting. At this point, >> no, I I just say yes. No conflict interest there. Um it is a um 8% threshold of of total member schools to get a emerging sport adopted or excuse me it's 10% to get an emerging sport adopted. It's 7% in which the IHSA will review um a sport for um or yeah a sport for termination. So for example unfortunately about a year or two ago uh boys gymnastics and debate kind of were victims of that

145bylaw um where there was less than 7% of the state that participated. So, the IHSA removed those years ago. >> Okay. So, those are a couple of factors that could come into play too with those team sports as things play out if other school districts decide that they're going to then drop their co-ops. These will fail to even continue to be IHSA sports. Yes. >> Where they would kind of go towards the club status like our hockey >> club where you know some kind of sport like that would have to reorganize where you know hockey has its own governing body. >> Yes. high school lacrosse would have to in the future develop their own governing body and kind of go that route. >> Absolutely. Just looking at the threshold that we currently see depending on

146what cooperative schools are doing with with this new with this new decision and that's a that's a question that we don't know the answer to. >> Um I'm particularly worried about girls lacrosse, girls water polo, and gymnastics in terms of that >> bylaw at the ISA level being a potential issue. I think the I think the relief for individual entries helps a little bit with girls gymnastics, but it won't help with girls water polo or um girls lacrosse. So I I I fear in the future that they may be in jeopardy at the IHSA level, not at our level, I should should say. So, so I um in in my opinion um I think that if you were to ask the athletes that were here um what they would want, um I think knowing the

147fact that they could potentially not get a team trophy or not be declared state champion, I think their answer would be, I'd still rather compete. Mhm. >> Um and so I think from that perspective, if that is an option that we have available, um then I think we should offer them that option and then let the athletes say yay or nay. Um I think and again I'll go back to my experience with with my son. Um, and I know the one girl talked about she was played or she was club gymnastics and then but came to school and and my son basically played club most of his life. But the most fun he ever had playing in soccer was when he played at Andrew um because he got to play with his friends, his classmates,

148um, whatever. Um, so I think that that's the kind of option that we should offer to these to these athletes and then see see if they agree with that. But I think to them, yeah, trophies are nice, but I think the ability to continue to compete uh probably would be where they would go with it. >> Doc, I do agree with Tony, but they could compete individually for a state if they can. They could get a a state medal for sure. Yeah. But not a team trophy. Correct. >> Can gymna can gymnastics water girls water polynics can compete individually? >> Gymnastics and wrestling can compete individually. >> But wrestling is not a co-op, is it? >> Oh, yes it is. >> Oh, girls wrestling girls here. Yes. Not the boys, but the girls are okay.

149>> But it's the team sports that are only team sports. There's not a single lacrosse opportunity. >> That's right. >> So, I I I do agree with Tony. if we could if we have the option of um letting them compete and we should give them that option. >> I just have a question like I know that you said that they're able to like compete um all season like have has there been any concern that like uh other schools like would not want to have matches with us, you know what I mean? for any kind of seating or ranking for the state tournament like >> you know I mean how does that affect the the qualified teams from competing against like a unqualified team? >> I think it's a fair question. I I don't know if

150I know the answer to that question because it's it's it's kind of a hypothetical. There there's not teams that do that very often. Um the closest you get is in competitions that are outside the state because um in many cases those those uh results cannot be included in the seating process. So, for example, if you have a team that goes to um um North Carolina to play, you know, in a soccer tournament, um I don't believe that the team can use those as consideration for the seating process. Um but but that's the best answer I can give you. I don't know if that'll dissuade other schools from competing or not. >> I just one other thing, and if I'm over, Stephanie, please tell me, but um so sort of the message that these parents can

151take home to their gymnasts that are here tonight is that they don't have to worry about gymnastics for next year. there's going to be a D230 team that they'll be able to to compete in. >> We're preddecisional, but I would say that we would like to go in that direction and and and look to see what opportunities. That's why we wanted to get your feedback. Um, so we brought something back to you that we thought fit the the the expectations of the board. >> Yeah. I I think a lot's going to play itself out with the IHSA. I I think we've discussed it before that, you know, five months down the road, a year down the road, the IHSA could look back at this and go, you know, we really screwed this up here. We're

152taking away opportunities from student athletes, which is not what we're about, and reverse course. So, I I don't see any reason we need to jump the gun and even think about taking away any opportunities from our students just because of a a really boneheaded decision that could get turned around again. And you know, again, we'll see how things kind of play out too with other member schools continuing to participate, not participate, see how our athletes still um enjoy the experience um you know, even despite not being able to compete for a state team title. >> And I and I know there was I believe um Mr. Sawyer made the comment, I don't remember exactly whom, but in ter in terms of writing a kind of a reversal bylaw or new bylaw, um I think we

153are interested in doing that, but there is a time frame. There's I think that you cannot reverse a bylaw within the first year of its implementation. >> Okay. >> So, we're probably going to have to live with it at least a year, but we we could pursue another bylaw be beyond that and and try to get this back to whole to some extent. Yeah. I I will be frank, I do understand some of the intentionality of the bylaw because you don't want to create super teams and and that's what some districts might be accused of doing is creating super teams. But cooperatives are really about developing sports so that you could down the road break them up into two or or in our case all three schools having their own program that the co-op is

154really is really a pathway to having an individual team sports. Sometimes it doesn't bear fruit. We've had girls gymnastics as a co-op for >> a long time. Actually Andrew had their own program for a long time and Sam had a co-op. Um, but in the case of boys lacrosse, for an example, you know, we may find ourselves in a position that we can split off into two different schools and at least have an independent school. We may not be in the same spot with other sports, though. And that's that's why we want to go through the numbers with our athletic directors and and see where we're at with each sport because we might have a different scenario in every sport depending on the enrollment um at each school or the participation numbers from each school.

155Sure. And I I think just think that invitational idea is a really cool creative solution to a problem. That's cool. >> There we go. Make those calls. >> All right. >> Thank you. I think we have direction as well. >> Okay. Next we have old business Arabic world language. Looking for a motion. >> Do I have a second? At this point, the motion is not going to move forward because we do not have a second. However, I would like to make a statement. Thank you as well to all the people who came forward tonight. Tonight, you use words like heart and vision and courage. We had Dr. Macy has come and give us some ideas. I can tell you emphatically the heart, vision, and courage of every single board member on this team that we've

156had to discuss this and discuss this and discuss this. One of the challenges we've had so that we don't break open meetings act is I can talk to member Dalton but I can't talk to member Casmir in the same conversation and as we've had this conversation at the education committee meeting you have seen tonight a perfect example of the conversations that we've had that all seven of us had a chance to to re in our opinions give direction to the board so therefore at the next board meeting at the February board meeting. We are going to have such a similar discussion because there are some unique challenges but people everybody keeps brainstorming and saying what about this what about this I can tell you the hours that have already been put into this to show

157that we have made some some progress but yet also have still things to overcome. Dr. Hoffman I know has met twice this week with different board members and singletons and we want to be able to have that purposeful conversation with solutions to move us forward to continue working us towards that goal. So that is what I will say on that. All right. Thank you. Next superintendent update. >> Yes. And I will sorry. >> Yes. And I will keep this somewhat brief. Uh you have in front of you um some information updating you as to our progress and certain goals. again um typically I will or not typically but traditionally I will highlight a few of those but certainly answer questions to um any of the areas you might have uh questions even if I don't

158present them but if you could draw your attention to page three um I just want to highlight the work that Mr. Rando and Dr. Huffman are doing with regarding to coordinate our NTSS and our instructional framework. Again, NTSS is our intervention model for students uh both in the academic and social emotional sense that may have uh additional challenges um than than might be the norm. Um this is something that I believe is long overdue and I compliment them on bringing their teams together. Um often we talk in silos when it comes to academics and and social emotional supports, but as educators know often times they are very much combined. So the the work that they're starting to do uh bringing both if you will sides of the equation together to start looking at opportunities for

159intersect and um kind of uh dialogue between those two sides of the equation. Um I it's a starting point. We don't have a lot of of of meat on the bone quite yet. Uh but it's a great place to start and I'm looking forward to the work because I think it's going to be a real uh help to our students. Um if you could shift to page six. Uh just highlighting the continued work that we've done as it uh relates to our uh safety and security. Uh again a lot of u u resources and and time invested into this. Um as we reported last month we are installing halo detectors in um some bathrooms at each campus. We're building towards 100% but we started with six per campus. um we're kind of mitigating um the

160the sensitivity the the the calibration is is an ongoing process. Uh but the early indications are that there there's some optimism to having some success. I will tell you talking to our student advisory groups they they know they're here. Um and there's a lot of conversation about them being here. So that's a good start. Uh we also want to thank again uh V Victor Jander High School for uh piloting what's called smart pass which is a digital hall pass system um which is both uh an efficiency for our classroom teachers as well as better security in our hallways particularly during um class time. Um and then uh a a a district-wide advisory lesson was added um to reiterate the uh expectations we have for students about respect um and seeking supports when struggles occur with

161their peers. U. So again, a lot of great work done with uh under Dr. Carr's direction. Uh and the last thing I believe I wanted to highlight um although I I think I'm probably not going to need to highlight much because Jeff did an outstanding job um of highlighting, but on page 12 um obviously a lot of time spent this past month on the tax anticipation warrants as well as um you know looking at our front our four forwardlooking analytics uh for budget um uh projections. I do want to just point out one thing um that Jeff and I have been um participating in a district, excuse me, a countywide consortium of superintendents and CSPOS's um on on um getting a little bit more um I guess pushing the pushing the county to to look

162at um looking down the road at reimbursements or at least asurances that these kind of events won't happen in the future. as you heard and as you fully know, u these have cost districts up to a million dollars or more in terms of lost um revenues or lost resources. Um so we're being very aggressive with uh the leadership from some superintendents and CSBOs's. We've joined in force with them to hopefully hopefully guarantee this doesn't happen again at minimum. If we can't recoup it, at least we we could assure that we we don't it doesn't happen in our future. Uh again, I can answer any in other questions. Uh but that's my report for tonight. >> Real quick, real briefly. digital the digital hall pass system the smart pass. Is this something that's complet is is

163it a physical digital thing or is it something on their phones? Is it something that just gets entered through the computer system? It >> it's it's uh it could be entered on their phone. They could show their pass on their phone, but if they have their actual card ID um and they're in the hallway, the the um adult supervision could with a with a device or with an iPad um as long as they show the student ID, they can check it. Oh, you're supposed to be in the hallway and you're in generally the area that you're supposed to be assigned. So, the student doesn't have to have anything technologically speaking in their person to go on the >> ID card. It shows up there. >> You can set that up like IP pass and just

164put something in the hallway that knows right away. >> Yeah, that might there might be some uh >> I don't want to confidentiality sort of things there. But yeah, >> raiseion. >> Yeah. Don't tell nobody. I I bet if the uh students had to pay a toll every time they went down the hallway or went through the hallway, they would stay at class more. >> We'll send those to parents, dude. Wow. All right, I'm going to roll with this. I'm not giving away any more secrets. >> Okay, next on the agenda is Foya'sformational. So, usually when this is on there every month, we leave it alone and we don't talk about it. Tonight is different. So, Mr. Mr. Henley kind of stole my thunder. So, I'd like to say a few things. So, just so

165everyone knows, Freedom of Information Act is something anyone can do. They can request district office to provide information for clarity. That's typical of a school district. In the year 2023 24, we had 30 FOYAS. I know I talked to Jen Waterman, our FOYA officer. We get commercial FOYAS. That's very typical. In last year's school year in 2425, we had 98. For the first semester, we had 140. Of note with that, 23 were from Mr. Henry. 26 were from James Robinette. But yet, of his own statements tonight, he acknowledged 13 of them were just of one topic. So that everyone at this table and everyone publicly knows when there is a foyer the extreme amount of work that is paralyzing the daily operations from district office to get a foyer starts a clock and there is

166a timeline a legal timeline. From there they have to facilitate the information gather the information sometimes looking at 20 years of data and digging in the basement for that data. It is taking multiple staff members from our director of public relations who also happens to be the FOYA officer. She hasn't gotten to be the director of public relations because all that is on her desk every time I come back are continued FOYAS. They are redacting information that is private that can't be given out. They are conferring with legal counsel at a cost. they are drafting and then because they're so voluminous, they're having to ask for an extension. They ask for an extension and then they have to continue to respond to the request. Yes, we were in court with Mr. Henry today and then

167when we left he sent four more emails. When is work supposed to be done because of these continued foyas that are affecting the daily operations? That has not been said because I thought being quiet was better. Being quiet was not giving any credence. But he just said it himself today. So I wanted to make sure everybody knew what was going on. So I am done. If anybody else, this isformational. If anyone else has questions about FOYAS, have at it. >> Can you just run us through the numbers again? >> In the year 2023 24 we had 30 foyas. And the year 24-25 we had 98 and for first semester and we've long surpassed this we've had 140. I also think there are more that we could attribute to those two gentlemen because there is um

168possibly a lot of aliases going out. >> Thank you. >> Anybody have any questions? Yes, sir. >> All right. Thank you. All right, board comments. We'll start at your end tonight. Member Kelly. >> Um, I just want to say a short comment. Um, tonight a motion was made about Arab language. Uh, next month we will be having anformational meeting to establish an Arab Arabic world language class. Uh we have plans to be made, questions to be asked, concerns and caveats to discuss, but the work has begun and it will continue. This community of taxpayers has asked for a change in the curriculum. Uh and that request has been heard and that request will be honored. That's it. >> I have no comments. >> Okay. So, I've been thinking about this for a while and unfortunately

169the person I'd like to direct it to left like a coward. Um, but but I will say it anyway. Um, you know, we we have the the the right to free speech, and I think that the uh the forefathers who granted us that right would be rolling over in their graves right now. It some of the abuses of free speech that are done. Uh especially the garbage robocalls that have been going on for the last three or four months full of hate. anger, deceit, and horrible lies about many of us at this table, as well as other people in the school administration. I know that most people in the district don't even pay attention to this or are sick and tired of these, but it's still hurtful. It's still wrong. And all these robocalls are

170being made is basically to try to either get people to quit or to resign or to ruin the or to ruin the reputation of people. And again, that is wrong. And this coward hides be hides behind madeup packs. And in fact, in the Chicago Tribune on Sunday, there was an article which listed his name and that one of the unions is going after him because he used them in a pack that he had no authority to do. So, it's not just us. Um, and I think we're all tired of it. And we just saw a demonstration of it tonight by his behavior towards us. The the disrespect and and the language that he used shows the type of character of this individual. Yet it impacts all of us. Um and you know in some respects

171I kind of feel sorry for him. Uh because what a horrible life he must lead when all he does is try to find wrong with other people. maybe he shouldn't be wasting his money on this garbage and instead maybe using it to help other people. And the sad part about it is I don't think he's the only one behind this. I think there are a few other people behind this. And to all of them, enough is enough because you're wasting your money. We're not leaving. We're not resigning. We're not quitting. We're not going anywhere. And we stand 100% behind Dr. Noling and the administration of this district. So, you know, keep on wasting your money, wasting your time, ruining your life, but it's all a waste and for me of it and enough of him.

172>> Thank you, >> member Dalton. I just wanted to speak on um having our 10 public speakers here tonight. Um to be in a district where people pay attention to what's going on in schools and coming out and letting us know what they feel is so important for a healthy school district. And I thank them for coming out here and letting us know. Um, we get very few public speakers. I like to think that that's because we are doing the work that our public expects from us. Um, and when there are issues or bones of contention, um, I do admire those that come out and let us know. And I just want to say that we do hear you. The other point that I would like to bring up tonight is to thank our administration

173and our board president who has been put through the ringer through these attempts as Tony had brought up um with these ROOC calls and these foyas. Um, the amount of time and effort and emotional drain that these have caused does not benefit our kids, does not benefit our community, and does not give the district the respect that it deserves. I wish that it would stop. I don't expect it will, but I want to thank President Zeter for continuing on representing in a way that um I don't know if I would be able to do with what has been said in public. Um other board members have also been named and including myself. um it is not in the best interest of this district and it's very sad and I just wanted to say thank you

174to Dr. Nelting, to our administration, to my fellow board members and especially to board president Lind Zer. Thank you >> member Katherine. >> Member Chamber. Um, first I want to thank Dr. Nothing for the updated motion for the Arabic world language. Disappointed it wasn't seconded. Um, some history behind it. This was discussed three years ago with emails, discussions with Dr. Katie McMillan, Dr. Anita Huffman, Dr. Ning, Linder, Dr. Linder, and previous board members. Um, this doesn't affect me. I'm advocating for the students. The Ken has been kicked on the road for three years. We've had multiple discussions. We had five public board meetings regarding this committee or two committee meetings, two board meetings, and one technical board discussion, board comment after an executive meeting. So, we had five public meetings regarding this. So, I I

175guess we're requiring it's like, hey, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. This is we got to give students options. In 2829 freshmen will be required to take two years of world language. In 2032 2033 100% of students will be required to take world language. The state is not going to get rid of it. Even though there's a bill out there, they're not going to get rid of it. But yet we can't give our students options. It's an option. It's going to add at least seven to 10 teachers or more. But yet, we're telling our students, we don't want you to succeed on the seal of biiteracy. We don't want our students to get scholarship opportunities. We don't want our students to get well-paying jobs in the government and financing, especially when the US is partnering with

176a lot of Arab countries. This is just not for one particular group. It's for everyone. There's an interest out there. But yet, my fellow board members have decided to punt this. More discussions. More discussions. That's all we more discussions. It's like, okay, how about action? Well, I'm not there yet. I'm just tired of discussions. Normally, all all of our discussions, we have two and we start to move on. Like the 10608, a $20 million um cost that would have cost a district. We had two, three discussions and we started making motions. So, I am completely disappointed. Um, and I condemn everything that's going on with our board members, too. I do. I apologize. Um, but other than that, this needs to get passed or we need to take a vote. You know what? Like, honestly,

177let's take a vote. I don't want to waste Dr. Anita Huffman's time or Dr. Nton's time. They have a lot more things to work. Either we approve it or we don't. That's it. Who cares? If we don't approve it, we move on. That's it. But not second it and not voting just told the community that we're afraid of voting for it. That's my opinion. The other stuff was f there were facts. Thank you. >> Can I make another comment? >> No. >> We will. No. At this point, I am making a motion to enter into executive session to consider information regarding the appointment, employment, compensation, discipline, performance, or dismissal of a specific employee or legal counsel for the public body. To discuss student disciplinary cases, to discuss matters relating to placement of individual students in

178special education programs, and to consider other matters relating to individual students. to discuss collective negotiating matters or deliberations concerning salary schedules for one or more classes of employees and to discuss pending or probable litigation against affecting or on behalf of the public body. >> Got a second. >> So move. >> Thank you. >> Second. >> All right. Tony beat you to it. All right. Lisa, want to take the role? >> Yes.