Board of Education Meeting 2/20/18

001To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible and justice for all. Act number. here. Mr. Drew >> here. >> Mrs. >> Here [Music] >> the purpose of this meeting is to review the 2018 2019 district budget and to take action on him and any items necessary. A motion for executive session. like to make a motion to approve the following resolution. that the board approximately 9 p.m. as soon after as possible for approximately 30 minutes of discussing personnel appointments. Special education negotiations. Second time as second. All those in favor. >> Any open request. approve agenda. >> I'm sorry. Okay. because this is not a regular >> I'd like to open prior to the meeting for a period of 30 minutes and then many other petition

002request five minute petitioner will be allowed until the 30 minute time period expires. Petitioners speaking during petitions and requests are asked to address topics listed in the agenda. All speakers are asked to give their full name, spell their last name, and provide their address. Speakers may not use the names of students during decisions and requests and either. Has anybody signed up participants? Is anybody interested in speaking? >> Seeing none, like to close petitions requests. >> Second. All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> But now it's a motion to adopt. >> I need a motion to adopt the agenda as laid before you. >> I'd like to make a motion to adopt the agenda as presented this evening. >> Is there any discussion? >> Yes. Um, I noticed that we have no petitions

003and requests at the end of the meeting as we normally do. I think in this instance it would be really helpful to the board and uh for to hear if the public has any comment with regard to our discussions after we've had them. >> I don't have a problem with that. petitions and requests. >> We just had a petitions and requests at the start of the meeting. Um there's very little action taken at the end of the meeting and the budget discussions will not result in a any kind of a budget vote. So certainly at the if the board would like we can add a public comment portion. Uh there's no particular reason. >> Do I need to make a motion to do that? No, Linda, you can you can do it as >> I

004can just assuming that yeah, if the board agrees just in general, it's fine. >> I have no problem. >> You can put one in at any time. >> Okay. Um I guess I call all the board members and everybody all those in favor of having a petition and request at the end of the meeting. >> I Any oppose? >> Then we'll put it at Can we put it in after this the budget discussion? How's that? >> Sounds good. Yeah, sure. >> Does that make sense? Mhm. U Mrs. O'Brien, would you be um able to do personnel? >> Sure, absolutely. Like to make a motion to approve items 1 through eight under personnel student affairs. >> Second discussion. If not, [Music] >> Mrs. Brier, >> yes. >> Mrs. O'Brien, >> yes. >> Mr. Barino, >> yes.

005>> Mr. Huber, >> yes. >> Mrs. Fritz, >> yes. >> Mr. Sidowitz, >> yes. >> Mr. Drew, >> yes. >> Mrs. Van Dyke, >> yes. >> That concludes personnel student affairs. >> Thank you. [Music] Discussion on the budget. I'm just wondering would it be possible if we could do never mind thinking that we should do education and then come back >> I mean we could do the first education but we can't do the second until after you want to do that then [Music] >> I guess I'm going to turn the budget discussion over to Dr. Ann. [Music] >> Well, good evening board members. As you know, you received your budget book uh fairly early this year. We made an effort to get it to you at the end of January. I think we were a

006couple days late. You might have received it early February. And there was discussion at our last board meeting that since not everybody is on the budget and finance committee that we were going to schedule an additional board meeting, a committee of the whole to discuss the budget. so everybody on the board could have their uh voices heard. So we did schedule the meeting and we don't have any particular agenda items to discuss. Um I envisioned this similar to last year where it was more just an open discussion amongst the board about the budget. >> So uh we probably won't have every answer to every question tonight, but we'll certainly take notes and get back to the board if uh the board needs clarification on an item or two. uh we don't have, you know, we

007have the budget summary, so to speak, here. All of our backup is in our our offices. So, uh if we don't have an answer for you now, we'll certainly get it for you ASAP. >> Is there anyone that has any discussion? >> I do. Okay. >> Um our enrollment is decreasing and yet our administration has stayed the same. I would I still am in favor of realigning administrative administration um for economy reasons. I don't think we need as as many administrators as we have because our enrollment is decreasing. Our faculty and staff have decreased. Um so I would like to see further cuts in administration. >> Now it's well under the table. >> That's fine. I did uh just briefly this afternoon uh go into our last couple budgets and um I wasn't able to

008look at this the teacher staffing uh that's been pretty consistent over the last few years but over the last four budget years uh the administration's been cut over 17 almost 18% just over 17%. Um, so there has been significant cuts in administration over the last four years. Uh, over 17% we've lost assistant principal at Makapin, assistant principal at the high school, um, and a couple of supervisors, uh, AC spread out across the district in different subjects as well as the testing coordinator. So, uh, there has been significant belt tightening for administration in the past four budget cycles. Um although our budget our enrollment is declining, it certainly hasn't declined 17.2% in the last four years. So uh our administrative cuts have far outstripped our cuts in teachers and certainly have far outstripped our cuts in

009enrollment as well. So >> anyone else have any discussion today? Will >> uh not okay. I'll just talk loudly. Um, I'm curious when there is a fiscal year 19 adjustment, what does that mean exactly? >> What that means is there will be an increase to that line, we're taking numbers from the current year because it depends on most likely it was uh my if it's a salary line, we're going into negotiations with just about everyone. So, there'll be some kind of an adjustment that way. if it's um insurance or something like that, we don't know what the adjustment is going to be quite yet. That usually comes down in April, May, June, but we have to account for something in the budget because it's not going to be flat. That would be >> Thank you.

010>> Anyone else? with regard to the um enroll the cuts for the teachers and staff across the board. I know that a lot of parents are concerned about what that does to the class size. Can you give an idea of you know still what some of those size schools look like given the you know I know enrollment's down but you know are we still looking at within range classrooms? uh some of the cuts at the the proposed cuts at the elementary level are in grades where there's currently three sections. So you get a monthly enrollment report that's been those class sizes are divided by three. You would simply just divide that by two assuming no new students move in or out of that grade which uh you usually get some movement one or two each

011either way in any school. So if you just look at those classes, if it's 46 right now or 48 and it's three sections of 16, it would be two sections of 24 uh or thereabouts. So numbers do change between now and September. And if there's any significant change in any one grade, we can adjust on the fly. It's not uncommon to budget for, for example, two kindergarteners and then we get a rash of enroles at one school in August and now we have to add a section. So things are never permanently set until September, but we do have an idea where we're going to be at the elementary levels for sure. Uh at the middle school and high school, we are looking at some teacher cuts. We don't exactly know with departments now. We're still

012reviewing that data to see where a cut can best be absorbed. So I couldn't say which subject matter that we'll see an increase in class sizes. Um but wherever there's a cut, you'll see a commensurate increase in class sizes for that subject matter. Just to tag on to that, what do you think the max number is right now at the elementary level for if it was today? >> It's in your books. Um, >> yeah, it's in the >> we have >> document sections. Yeah, I know. I know. >> Is the enrollment numbers right in the beginning or public? >> We have two sections >> in the document section. >> It's right in the beginning of the book. >> Yeah. >> Um, there's two sections which were each at West School. Yes, >> it's under support

013box. for everyone else is two sections. >> So that number that we're looking at would be the 52 >> would it be divided by three teachers >> by three teachers. Okay. >> But everyone else >> so we we have a guideline I believe right? >> No kidding. It is very loud. >> Current board policy is also there. Um K to 3 is 25. 4 to 12 is 28. >> Right. Highest 21 for >> that's in your book. highest 20 at Marshall Hill. >> Are there support dogs? So, we're well within our guidelines. >> The high the highest seems to be fourth grade at Upper Greenwood Lake at 24 per class. >> That's the highest. Most of them are around 21. >> Um except for West No, Westbrook, that's divided by three. So, they're around under

01420. 20 or under. So even with that because the the guideline falls from 4 to 12 28 right am I reading that right that the max would be 28 and 12 are still >> yeah within our guidelines. >> Okay Terry did you have did you hear this >> I was going to ask the same question. No. >> Will >> uh under the line item that includes uh grant writing consultants. Has the administration ever thought about approaching a grant writing consultant? >> Where's that? >> We used to have one years ago. >> Page one of two in the superintendent section. >> That's an administrative cost that I think a lot of districts have gotten away from. >> I I don't think we we ever I remember having it and I think we did away with it

015because >> most of our teachers are writing their grants from it. Yeah. >> What say you, Mr. Superintendent? >> I have to look at it. >> Uh can you say what the line is again? >> It is the second line item under consultants improvement of improve instruction grant writing consultant. I was just wondering why >> we haven't that. We have no money budgeted for that line. That is not a position we currently have in this year's budget or the last couple years and we simply can't afford it to be honest with you. So, um that's the simple answer. >> Thank you. >> Just out of curiosity, how much does a a grant writing um consultant cost? >> Usually 10% at least 10% of what they um are able to bring into the district. So there's

016no cost. >> We we don't pay them a salary, right? If they don't if they don't bring anything in, they don't get paid. >> It could be there could be an upfront cost and then a percentage. >> There there was a quote. I'm doing I can't tell you because it's a while ago, but if they if we research it, you'll I'm sure back and find out what it was. It was >> that having been said, if if if we could get somebody on contingency like that, why wouldn't we do it? It's they're finding free money for us. Yes, >> I we didn't get anybody. No one want you to come. >> That's it's a double-edged sword, too, because a lot of the the grants that they they're able to capture would mean that the board

017would have to also put some money into it. So if you're getting a grant >> and you don't have the money set aside in your budget to match >> whatever is required by that particular grant, it becomes problematic because you're not be able to accept it anyway. >> Okay. >> A lot of the more competitive grants are that way. >> They're not going to give you 100% of the monies. Uh we do have a lot a number of our faculty um find out about small grants, you know, um and and they're able to bring additional funds in for their particular classes that have no matching grant. Um they have the you know, some of our teachers have been able to get the target grant and um you and and there's been a few other things.

018The New York Giants grant a couple years ago Dr. Over was able to get. So there are things out there that they find out about and they um have brought additional monies in, but it's not big hundreds of thousands because that's most of those competitive grants or non-competitive grants are going to inner city schools. Well, >> just as a a personal point, I think that that's money well spent if the conclusion is it benefits an educational program, which I believe this is what we're here for. So, just my personal tidbit on that. >> Glenn, >> I have some point of information inquiries for Barbara just to kind of like uh get some baseline information. Um, uh, Barbara, what was the excess surplus from last year, is it 2.1? Am I remembering correctly? 2.1 million. >>

0191617 >> budget year that just ended. >> Yeah. >> 900,000. >> It was a little over $2 million. 2 million. >> It was two 2.4 >> million something. >> Okay. Um and that was on top of this the statemandated 2% that we didn't invade. Right. >> That we% that the board needs to keep as a reserve. Right. >> Right. The 2% reserve. So we didn't touch that. So we're we had two a little over 2 million more than we needed even on top of the the state mandated reserve. Um do um staff development um any wherever it appears in here has staff development mixed with other is it possible that on whatever next version of the budget we get we can have those separated. What do you mean? >> Because throughout throughout the the the

020uh budget, there was uh you said st the the heading was staff development/ other objects, right? >> Okay. And there was a one or two instances where I looked at it and I couldn't tell what was staff development and what might be a teaching tool for a classroom. Um it looked like there were memberships or something for like maybe 50 students or 40 students or something like that. I don't know if that's teachers or students. staff. >> Okay. Is always staff. >> Okay. So, that's all right. >> If it was instructional, it would be in the issue for students. >> Well, I saw some other categories where things were mixed in that were kind of strange. Like one of them had postage under staff development. >> Postage under staff development. >> Yeah, it had postage

021and and letters and things. $125. It wasn't very small, but it was just odd that there were some things mixed in. Um Okay. Um, where are we on the LGA energy audit? Because that would maybe pertain to the the roof at uh, >> it's not going to be ready for this budget cycle. They started their walkthroughs last week. We have another 14 days worth of walkthroughs, so it's not going to be done anytime soon. >> Okay. Because it's been about a year. I didn't think it would take this long. Is that the state or >> It's not us. Yeah. Um, okay. Is there anybody all lines thinking about the next question? >> Did you have anything? >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> Absolutely. >> I'll chime right in here. I'd like to reiterate what

022Mer had to say about the administration. [Music] >> Can I hear you? We can't hear you. >> We started with 3,700 students. And I remember that because it was just about exactly 20,000 a student. Our total budget 74 million 3,700 students 20 you know works out just nice some reason I remember that number so now we're down to 3200 >> 500 students >> excuse me >> that's only in district students that does not account for any of our out of district students >> how many of those are there [Music] >> 50 to PCTI and how many >> I mean we definitely increased the PCTI number probably saw in the budget to 80 >> about 80 going to PCTI >> and then you have your other districts that are probably still about 60 >> 60 yeah

023just about 60 >> okay so we lost 400 students not 500 students in three and a half years that I've been here so it's fairly substantial and even though I understand you're you're making some cuts in some administration the area to think about I think are administrators so your subject areas >> um you know we've people and just take a look at, you know, we we've got people who are they're not direct reports. We haven't got somebody who's got people in their office every day, you know, asking for direction and so on and so forth. But I you know it really makes me wonder you know when we talk about uh and I I wouldn't necessarily do anything at all with science, English and math but in the other areas maybe we can combine some

024of those and be a little more uh with regard to class size obviously our statemandated numbers are much higher than what we've actually got. I would and and I think the educators know this. We want to be very very careful with the primary grades. Small class sizes make a huge difference in the primary grades. But as we get older, you know, middle school, high school, uh we it's very easy. You can find schools all over the nation that have much larger class sizes and it doesn't seem to matter. A good teacher can teach 30 kids or 20 kids at the high school level or the eighth grade level. Eighth grade is a little tougher, but but so I'm just asking to be sensitive to the age of the children. We need to continue to have

025small class sizes in the primary grades. Um along that line, I've asked you, Mr. Novak three times for a list of of honors classes next to AP classes because I can't think of a single reason why we ought to teach honors chemistry and AP chemistry. It's the same thing. combine the class, put the kids in there, they'll learn just as much in a uh >> curriculum where we have spent, you know, the the nation has spent millions of dollars to develop rigorous curriculums and materials for kids that we know there's just all kinds of evidence that kids who take AP classes and they are not just for the top of the class or or even for that matter for the college prep. when when you look at AP classes in inner city schools and you

026know different environments the kids learn more. So if we can combine AP classes and honors classes it's an it's an opportunity to have larger class sizes and and probably have more more learning but be extremely sensitive to primary grades. It really matters to to young kids having having direct attention. Um I had a uh >> I think >> the lower numbers is what for the primary grades is what Dr. Anamon was saying. >> Yeah, we're trying. So, >> you know, in fourth grade to go to 24 isn't the end of the world. But, you know, primary grades keeping those classes small and I don't think we have any of those with more than 20, but even 20 is, you know, kind of kind of pushing it. Uh I had a good friend of almost a

027quarter of a century who died last Friday. and um it just sort of reminded me of what's what's worthwhile in life. And of course, you guys know I've been through some some issues. And I can tell you that having been through that kind of thing really makes one think about what's important, what we ought to be doing. And uh I have personally tried to lead my life. I feel it's important to give something back to the to the community. I think everybody who's on the board obviously feels that way. That's what you're doing. Um and that's why I'm doing this. I I I want to start with I think you know and I've done lots of things. I've been a coach. I've been sang in the cathedral choir. you know just I'm not going to

028go through but um you know I think this is really important there's nothing at all that I personally feel I can do about education at the national level or even even at the state level but I can observe at the national level that the US continues to decline decline decline you know when when I was a young man um you know the US was in the top of the list among our OECD competitors in science and English. And I think in the latest year, we're now 28th out of 31 in math. That's the US. Now, I can't do anything about most most of that. But I think I can help, which is what I'm trying to do. Um to to do something about about this my community I care about. And uh uh so I'm

029just trying to say it's important. That's why we're here. It's important. It's really important. If every community did a little better at education, then we wouldn't be 28th in the in among, you know, all of our competitors. Um the uh so the first most important thing and why I'm here is to do what I can to make education a little bit better. And I think we're doing a good job. we kids get great education, but I also think and we've discussed this behind the scenes, there are areas where we could do better and we need to continue to try. That is our mission. One of the things I'm disappointed about in this particular budget, and I've asked about this for three years, I want to see more things on the budget, on the schedule that

030are going to help us improve education. And I just don't I don't see that here. Um, >> what do you feel we're lacking right now? Is there an item here that's not there that you are looking for on the >> single most important thing that we can do something about is is math. All right. We have talked about putting a new math program in. Um, and I think that if we're going to do that, we've got to do a great job of professional development. Um, and and I don't, you know, I don't necessarily want to have a public discussion about what's wrong with math in in West Milford, but I I'll tell you one thing. I don't think it's the kids. As you have pointed out, Dr. Adam, we have above average income, well above

031average income in West Milford for New Jersey. Um, and uh, I think everybody knows New Jersey is consistently among the top five states in the nation for education. And here we are above average income and in the bottom quartile in math performance. These are not stupid kids. And I know we have good teachers. I know that. I' I've talked to them. We've got good teachers and good kids. And so frankly when when you know which are the two most important determinants of how you're going to do um so to me that says that the problem is management starting right here and then right in your lap. We're we're doing something not right in management. Um uh I think it's completely valid to take a look at at uh putting in a new program. We know

032how things went the last time we put in the program and we have got to make sure that when we put in that the teachers have got the training they need. When we put it in last time they didn't know what they had. They couldn't explain it to the students and they couldn't explain it to the parents. The parents want to help their kids. Everybody start off. >> Yeah. >> Steve, can I just uh touch base real quick before I pass it off to Dan? Um and I don't know the last time they put in a new math program that predates me. So, uh, I don't even want to touch on that, but and Dan has my full confidence. Um, he's the best, uh, I'll call him assistant superintendent because that's what he is. He's

033the best assistant superintendent I've ever worked with or, uh, even met in my life. So, he's got my full confidence. So, there are some budget increases, proposed budget increases in this budget for math. And I think Dan can speak to um, what cost as far as books, programming, professional development, and our vision for implementing this. uh in each in each school. Okay, Dan. >> Yeah. So, it the last three years the budget has the board has supported a significant investment in our staff and to me and that's been the philosophy that I have tried to carry in this role and you've been in full agreement of this that investing in our staff and our staff development is is what the avenue that we need need to go. So, I'm I'm a little I'm curious as

034to what and I think Mrs. Van Djke asked a question. What are you not seeing? Because what you said and I agree with is that the textbook isn't the answer. Just dumping a textbook doesn't change how how professionals teach. So, you have supported and the board of support and I've talked at every ed committee meeting for 3 years about our professional development plans. We've invested significant uh amounts of time and and resources into our professional development. We had a full day today once again of a very meaningful approach to professional development. Our biggest investment as you look in your uh budget books is our staff and our growth in our staff is is where where we need to be focusing. Um so I disagree. I think there's significant um money allocated toward the improvement of

035teaching and learning. Um, and I think we've seen that we when we presented our our park scores, and not to say the park is everything because who knows with with government changes where that's going to go, but we've seen a rise in scores compared to our um peer competition in our local area schools in the areas that we've been focusing on. Those those primary grades that those grades three through six and seven and eight where we've really been focusing on those on those areas, um, we've we've seen a rise. So, uh, I think we've we've dedicated a lot of, um, you know, this this is the largest professional development budget, I think, that's been around. Um, you know, going back to my time as a principal, we didn't always have local funds dedicated to this

036purpose. We you we relied heavily on on title funds, title two, um, which doesn't always make the ends meet when you're talking about professional development. So, uh, and I'm very, um, you know, this year we we recommitted to the idea of the, um, the auditing of the math program. We've had our professional development, um, trainers who began last year and going again into this year. We have a 5-year plan in place. We're currently in year two of that 5-year plan that's that's being supported by this budget. Um we are moving towards we had a um presentation today from the new publisher for our um math textbook in grades six and seven uh which was very wellreceived. It also has and I don't want to use the word Il too often because it brings different sorts

037of opinions but we've got a tool in place or a potential tool to look at alternatives at the grade levels where we're implementing this new program. uh and following on one of your directions that you didn't ask me three times about was about looking at Go Math and bringing in a um trainer from Go Math to take a look at the actual program we have in place to take a look at our implementation. So, that's a process that we've begun for this spring and we'll head into next year is bringing in um individuals from GMO to see, you know, now we're year four into the implementation of GOMath and we think we finally have seen the effectiveness of that program going back to, you know, the the implementation in the first place. So, I think

038we're at a good point to review go math. When we look at other districts who use it, um they've been successful. So, it might not necessarily be the tool. It might be the process and I think we're at a good place to review that process before we make a rass decision to abandon GMATH. We see it's effective in other communities. We see it's effective and still being purchased in other communities. So, um you know, that's one of the we want to be very cautious in in how we proceed. Our staff is is comfortable with it. they're finally um we're getting the results that we want, especially in fourth and fifth grade where we've where we um have typically been been weaker in comparison to our um I don't say rival towns, but our our um

039our local area competition. We've we've shown great great improvement in that. So, uh I think we're in a good place in that and I think we um you know, in our budget have um thoughtfully laid that out. you know, it's not just a buy a new, you know, buy a new textbook series. That's easy to see in a budget when you spend that much money on textbooks, but that necessarily um isn't always the best thing. So, >> Mr. >> Yeah, I'm going to segue right on to that if you don't mind, Stephen. Um I've been a big cheerleader for professional development since I got on the board. Okay. So, when I reviewed this, I was looking for professional development. I think that maybe I'm missing something, but from what I could tell, Apua's got $2,000

040budgeted for professional development. Maple Road Zero, that's the one that had the postage and supplies under it. Marshall Hill 400, Paradise Null 500, UGL 1,500, Westbrook 1650. As far as I can tell, Mackaban has 900 towards speech and 175 toward nursing. West Milford High School is really hard to decipher, but it looked at some point like there's an $80,000 professional development for the English department. >> Oh, I see. >> And I found under the math supervisor's heading a 13 something,000 heading for professional development. I can't imagine you're spending $13,000 on professional development just for the supervisor. So tell me if that if that's correct or not. I imagine that that's going to be used for math development in the high school and middle school. What is that? >> That um that sounds a little bit

041off. Um so the the the first series of numbers that you referred to, I'm not quite sure what where those are coming from. Are those the title two? >> Those came from the >> allocations. Barbara, [Music] >> looks like the summary heading. >> While she's looking for that, I'll just talk about in language uh language. So, so I um I maintain the district budget which I look for um staff development as you mentioned before other purchase service that is in the amount of um $98,000 >> comes close sorry future budget $48,000 um that is the central fund where I provide a number of the um initiatives that I was just talking about. So we have a large professional development initiative going on in our um language arts program in grades um 3 through 8 for

042readers and writers workshop. So that is a significant cost that comes out of a central budget not necessarily um allocated to the building budget. So an individual principal might propose professional development in their local budget if they have a initiative that they're working on in their building. So a particular principal might want to work on mindfulness or or something along those lines. So they'll build it in their in their building budget. We budget on a district level for the major initiatives that we are implementing across uh across the curriculum in in all grades. um the $80,000 you're referring to in the uh language arts supervisor that is in the um form of a new phonics program that we are um hoping to um move into for next year. So we we have a great need

043for a multiensory appro approach to uh the teaching of phonics and uh we believe we have found that in the program that we are looking at. We're still in the process of selecting a program. um one of the major contenders, so to speak, came in today and presented to our uh did a half day presentation for our staff so our staff could get a good idea of what that uh what that presentation um and what those um resources look like. We've been doing site visits to schools who've been doing this well, districts that have been doing this well. So, it's a very very thoughtful approach. The budgeting of that is also inclusive of the materials and the uh training for it. So the training would take place um I think it's three full days of

044training if we agree to go with that particular program. So that's that's what's included in that budget. It's not just PD, it's also the resources and materials that go with it. >> Okay. So what is our total professional development budget this year and what is it proposed for the 2019 year? How much of that is allocated toward the mathematics professional development and how much of that is in the elementary school because that seems to be where we're having the kids start to fall down is they're they're getting behind in elementary school and by the time they get into middle school and high school they're really struggling. >> I think that's a um misconstruing of of the facts. What we've seen is growth in the last three years in our elementary school. What I just referred

045to in responding to Mr. Drew, fourth, fifth, and sixth grade, we have seen uh we have seen gains gains in that regard. Um a large majority of that professional development has been toward our um our elementary uh grades. And be honest with you, I took criticism from Will for that in the past. What are we doing about the middle school and the high school? because we seem to be I was accused of funneling trying to create a better elementary school climate to feed uh you know feed our middle school and high school. So um I have stayed true to our vision and our goals in trying to build a better um a better prepared elementary student so that when they move into fifth you know sixth seventh eighth etc they've got the prerequisite skills to

046to tackle the things that we're we're looking for. So I disagree in that in that assessment. >> All right. So going back to the original question though, how much how much do we have budgeted this year and and in this budget? Um and how much what portion of that is allocated toward math professional development? >> Well, in the in the um math supervisor's budget, we have our math PD. >> There's 13 13 in change. There's 13 and change under the math supervisors collective category. >> I don't know. That's what I'm asking. But I didn't find any any other math special development anywhere else. >> That's not >> No, I have 24. Yep. in my 14 account. [Music] >> The uh count I'm looking at, Glenn, >> Mhm. >> is 223 390. That is a cut

047of 50,000, which is equal to our title 2A offset. Title 2A is >> Tell me what page that's on. It's under It's under um the education office. >> And if you go to uh page two of four. >> Thank you. >> So it was 98,000 last year. It's $48,000 this year. And that $50,000 offset is going to be our title 2A, which is federal money. So we're going to be spending more than 48. It's just we get 50 back from the not back from there but that's offset by our title 2-way money which is our >> 51% federal >> roughly. Yeah. I mean and some of our PD is spread out in this book. Some will be listed under APU. Some will be listed under high school. Some will be listed under English supervisor. Some

048will be listed in Dan's budget. So we'd have to go through this budget plan and add up every one of those columns to see exact. But >> well I don't need exact ballpark. You mean 10%, 20%, you know? >> Well, I I'll give you a ballpark of our budget. Our budget is up >> for mathematics. >> Our budget overall budget is up 1.25%. So when you see large increases, it's typically a small budget line. So if we spent $500 for something last year and this year we spent $600, it's a 20% increase. It jumped off the page, but it's a it's a it's a law of large or the law of small numbers. It's not answering the question. >> All right. How much of the money that we have budgeted are we planning on spending

049on mathematic instruction for staff development? >> We have to >> I have to go back. Well, I have I have a >> be one of the questions. >> I have a proposed justification. $24,500. >> Okay. Out of 98. >> I mean, we we there's going to be questions answers big chunk that are going to be asked tonight that they're not going to have the answers for >> but that's not inclusive. >> I know, but I got a sideways. But that's that 24,500 is not inclusive of the sixth and 7th grade new textbook and the training that goes for that. So as Dr. Edmon said, you find it in a lot of different places. So there's that's just the pool for us to bring in a consultant to work with the grade levels part of that

0505-year plan. So that's just toward the 5-year plan, which like I said, we just we're in the middle of year two towards that 5-year plan. The other monies allocated, etc. are in different locations. um the Glenco training, the go math training, uh those are those are in other areas. >> And the 13,000 under the supervisors category, is that included in those numbers? >> Can you tell me more page what's on >> you know? I'm not sure. >> I have I'm not sure I wrote it down. >> Why Why don't we Why don't we direct um the board? Why don't Why don't we direct the administration to come back with us with the numbers that you're asking? >> Yeah, that sounds good. book is is not easy to read. >> Could potentially go through. >> It's

051definitely not easy to read. And if there's other questions, that's what we should be doing is forming those questions so that this way the administration can answer our questions. But if we could do them before we're sitting here, it probably would be helpful. >> Okay. Um I'll try and find before we leave again. Um I think that's the six. Mr. What's the question? >> It's because he's leaison to the town. Oh. >> Oh, okay. Um, >> will has there any has there been any discussion on the budget uh for the township and what the increase would be? >> Last I heard some of their aims. I haven't had a sit down meeting. I'm still arranging that. But last I heard through the grapevine is they are aiming for another 0%. Whether or not they get

052there >> is we'll see in the future. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, >> well, Mr. Novak, I never accuse you of not listening. That's for sure. >> So, um, I imagine that you are the coordinator of education services, correct? This is a good thing. Don't worry, I'm going to jump in for the AP testing student cost offset program. Thank you. I think that it it's what I think it is. I know we had discussions about that before. That is a a great step, especially for those who can't afford to take an AP test. So, I appreciate that. Um, I'd like to jump to the business office section, page one, the first line item for legal services. >> Guess you're in trouble. >> Definitely. No, definitely not. >> No, you're down. >> I'm no longer in

053the summer. I'm definitely within question >> the the line items um for environmental would that be something that you could explain. >> Is this page one? >> Yes. One the first line item >> environmental. That's the one you had Mr. Conway come in. >> Mhm. >> That's our environmental attorney. Okay. >> So, we don't know what's going to happen between now and >> June of 2019. So, we very well might need his services at some point. >> Very well. Some of these are just my curiosity because it's very difficult to go through a several 100page book. Um, I'd like to jump to page four of 11, same section in the supplies copier section. [Applause] that line item. I was curious as to why it's funded to that amount, seeing as the orders haven't reached beyond

054$6,000. >> There's no >> in the past five years. [Music] >> If you don't have an answer now, that's okay. I just want >> There's not five >> years of history here. There's only a couple years >> I I've seen uh beyond that in a spreadsheet that is inclusive of beyond five years that >> Okay. So, we're budgeting no change to that budget line. We're proposing no change to the suppliers copier line on page 4 of 111 12,500. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. So, that's a no change from last year. We don't have all our bills and orders in for this year yet. >> Do you foresee reaching beyond the the most recent is 5,000 plus being spent in that item. >> What's he getting there? This for the paper. >> This is where he

055>> Yeah, that's what it is. >> The extension asking >> well what what is the question that you want answered? Why fund it to nearly double what is normally spent in that line item? >> But it's not. >> It's not the same. The orders, look at the orders. That's how much we spent in that year. And within those years, we don't spend more than >> Yeah. >> We spend under $6,000 every year. >> Under four. We we'd have to look at the current orders to see how much we're going to spend this year before we can answer that. I I don't have that in front of me. We'd have to look at that budget line we get back to the office. I suppose >> is this is what we budgeted last year too amount. >>

056Correct. So, >> and you never know how much paper, >> but the point is that >> it's just likely it's going to be over five or >> when the prices are going to >> that much. >> Yeah, >> Mr. No. Um, if >> I can I think we're doing many of the right things in that I didn't mean to say we're not. >> Um, what I've asked for three times has nothing to do with math >> is a list and and that you misunderstood the question is apparently what I have a list of honors classes and AP classes side by side so you can sort of see where there might be some room for accommodation. I I think you're doing many of the right things that we need to do and I'm I'm happy to

057see that in particular in math, >> but we're not there. >> What you're saying is they're two different items that you're talking about. You're talking about >> get the list of honors and >> that's what you want. That's the question. >> That's what I want. Yes. >> Do you understand that? >> The I understood that clearly. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, I think one of one of the things that's disappointing about this, and I know the town is trying to go to 0% 3 and a half% increase, honestly, the disappoint taxes matter. Um, the 10 states that are either losing population or increasing population the least. New Jersey is among those. We're not the worst. Illinois and Wyoming are actually losing population. When you look at who's losing and who's winning, we're losing. And the

058states that are winning are Texas, Florida, Nevada, Washington. It's not just a question of whether New Hampshire >> and the one thing that that many of these states have in common. Texas, Florida, Nevada, and Washington all have zero income tax. They have lower tax state as winning as Arizona. They have, you know, North Carolina. We all know retired in North Carolina. We have lower income taxes. We don't tax social security and retirement income, lower property taxes, etc., etc. Crazy. Now, >> we can't change that. >> We'd like to, but we can't. >> But what we can do is how we do compared to other counts in New Jersey. We can make this a place where families want to move. And the two things that are probably the most important in that is the quality of

059education and taxes. Come back with the 3 and 12% tax increase. I think it's just clo I go talk to people and they say you know what do we need to do unless things at the top of the list. Nobody would mind paying more if if we have better than our school. Not that we have bad performance, but if we had performance in Richwood, they would eclipse the money. >> You'd have people moving in here like crazy and they would they would buy these taxes. >> Um >> I think our 3 and 12% what you're talking about right now is our starting point. Correct. We're not there yet. We're not we're not where we are. And unfortunately for our unfortunately for the state of New Jersey at this point, no one knows what their state

060aid is going to be. They don't know what's going to be cut. We don't know what changed very much, >> you know, not this year. >> It's politically impossible to lower school funding by a substantial amount. Obviously, we had lower school funding this year, but by $20,000 out of 20 million. >> But what what if it's a h 100,000 this time instead of 20,000? >> That Well, and we'll wait and see. >> Well, but that's what I'm saying. I mean, I think that that's part of part of the picture that we don't have here. And >> it's a relatively small piece of 3 and a half% >> and the districts that you were talking about like Ridgewood and and those what was their increase over the last three years. Do you know if they increased

061their their tax rate of >> I would say that they went up more than 0% like we did. >> So that's one of that's one of the problems >> discuss some specific areas >> you know that we might be looking at right now. Um >> I have uh >> sorry >> well the whole state is losing too you guys. >> Well the whole state's losing everybody. >> It's we're not losing population but I think you know the people in family millennials are getting married later. They're starting families later and they're having kids and we are absolutely the entire state is >> they have kids. >> So I like to win the ones that they have. >> Mhm. some specific areas probably health. >> In uh 2016, >> we uh budgeted 1.3 million more than we

062spent. In 2017, we budgeted uh 800,000 more than we spent. And again, we've got that number going in. and we discussed part of why I understand that that we get a contribution back that offsets that but for some reason that never goes into the budget. So when I look at at what we're probably doing for this year, again, we're budgeting uh somewhere around probably 900,000 to a million more than we're actually going to spend after we take the we don't know the amount exactly because we haven't got the numbers down, but for the last three years, we have budgeted almost a million dollar more than we spent, and it looks to me like we're doing it again. Now, that's a real dollar. There's there's no question. Um, there are some other areas I guess I

063don't understand. There's an item on the budget of techn technology, electricity. Um, that that jumped a lot. Um, I can give you the actual account number in a second. Um, it ends in 5550 and it is in area 75. I think that's how mostly your budget. So, I don't know which tab in the book, >> but you've got this I think is 75. >> Yeah. 55. Um what and I'm showing that that uh that has the budget is now >> this is uh you know by000 >> now it's gone up by 181,000 >> I don't know >> yeah under uh tech services that's um if you look at the description it's for the core switch replacement so it's for the infrastructure for technology is for the telephone system. It's for the cabling that goes along

064with the telephone system. Um I I think that we've had the conversation about um how these items are are necessary to be replaced and we have to start with the course switch which hasn't been replaced in about six years. So um the >> when we had a jump in in telephone um communication telephone that's completely separate. >> Yes. >> Yeah. So certain areas are increasing in tech services but others are decreasing because we had to buy the core switch because the ones we have now are nearing end of life. If you just go to the back page, page two of two, you're going to see an account summary, a total for report, and there's an increase in that tech services of 1.11%. So, it's virtually flat from last year. It's actually pretty much even with

065our total budget increase. >> We're also looking at going to VIP in here instead of having our own. >> We are investigating similar those solutions now. >> We have to get there. >> Okay. All right. >> Yeah, there may be some cost savings, but there it may cost you money up front for some additional cost savings. >> And this is all done through a three-year lease purchase because we can't fund it totally in one year. >> So these costs will be spread out over a three-year period. >> That that money there will be spread out over three years or that already is spread out. >> That's one third. >> That's a third. >> Okay. All right. When I look at the >> not the total amount but a a portion of that will be spread

066out over three years >> operations um we have in operations 1.3 million for the roof replacement offset to that as the state funding of that or what is >> 1.3 million one year is that >> no that's That's the Maple Road roof barber >> replacement. Yeah, [Music] >> there was 1.3 million budgeted originally and what I did is I reduced the scope of that project by 367,000. So right now we have about 950,000 budget placement. Thank you. >> All right. So, is that going to be all three sections or >> we're we'll definitely try to get as much done as possible. Um, it'll be section one and then we'll have add alternates on the on the bid so that if the price comes in really good, then we could do some additional sections and possibly

067the whole thing. We were really fortunate with um the roof replacement at the high school and the middle school. Uh we weren't that successful though with Marshall Hill and Westbrook when we did those roofs because um we do them offseason. If you tried to do them in the summertime, it's it's cost prohibitive. >> Yeah. So, um, we weren't as successful and quite honestly, even the roof replacement at the high school and the middle school, um, the budget, um, the the next closest bidder was a million dollars more than what we ended up spending. So, it's always based upon how much work they have when they bid on the project. >> Do we get any We got some state um, >> the other roofs, do we get any here? No, you won't get anything here. You

068only get >> um a portion of your monies back if you have a referendum. >> So, you have to have debt service in order to get the 40%. If you have no debt service, if you don't go out to referendum and have the voters approve it, then you get no debt service. >> All right. Um there are a couple of other items in the same section. This was in um um operations and page eight of eight. >> Um you got the bleachers on there and you're offsetting that with a lease purchase. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> So 3/4 of a million for the bleachers and then we're offsetting that because we're paying only for one year. Is that correct? >> Right. You you would offset the cost by um like you would divide it

069out over five years. We've got the u additional um fieldhouse money over the 100,000 we've already >> right >> or that we've already budgeted I'm sorry the architecture and engineering there 50,000 is for what >> the bleachers >> for the ble >> right >> yeah that was one of my questions >> oh there's on that same category >> I see uh [Music] 92,000 for paving plus another that's been removed,000 for >> that was removed. That was removed. >> There's no >> You're taking that out now? >> Yeah. If you could see that um there's no money budgeted. >> Um that was what the proposals were, >> but we removed it. >> Okay. >> When you look at the other column. >> All right. No, that's fine. I I didn't understand that. >> You knew that

070I Thank you. Okay, good. I guess I agree with that. >> Glenn, did you have a question that you were >> No, actually you I have a list and they just answered two of them. So >> Oh, well that's >> Now since we're under operations, um obviously we had the uh tragic events in Parkland, Florida last week. Uh which gives us we also had a school security meeting um coincidentally scheduled for the next day, the 15th, which is on our agenda for a while. Um and after the meeting we did discuss um maybe it's time for a comprehensive review of all of our our physical plans, our schools, our board office. Uh we do have monthly or quarterly uh school security meetings with our team representatives from each school. Each school has a plan in

071place uh what to do in the event of a bomb scare, a shelter in place, a lockdown, etc. We do train monthly, so we're ahead of many other states. Uh if you read some of the articles coming out since last Wednesday, there's a lot of there's a lot of chatter in other states about doing what New Jerseyy's been doing for the last six or seven or eight years, however long it's been with monthly security drills. So, we are well ahead of the uh curve. I think that was part of the issue in some of these communities is that they've never dealt with any kind of drills or any kind of occurrences like we do. Uh, nevertheless, there's only there's limits to what drills can do. I think it's time perhaps we take a look at

072our physical schools to see is there anything we can do to make them safer. Now, I would imagine more often than not, some of these things are real low cost, no cost initiatives such as reminding our parents not to hold the door for somebody coming in behind them, things of that nature. There are other things that would cost money, significant amounts of money, money we certainly can't absorb in any one-year school budget. So, uh, I would suggest in committee and with the administrative team, we begin discussions to see what we can do in a more comprehensive manner. And this is going to lead to some other budget questions down the road, whether it be a referendum of sorts for school security. uh at some point down the road. It's something we need to at least

073consider and discuss with some security experts and some INR architects to see what do they recommend. >> Okay, Mr. Baling. >> Oh, thank you, >> Doc. Tremendous. As a followup, I took it upon myself as a private citizen and as a person who's pretty tuned into who is actually in West Milford. We are lucky enough to have um several residents who are uh principles heavily involved with a major security firm of which we use here in West Milford and they are >> DC >> winner. These are West Milford residents. They actually went through they live here in West Milford. They went to West Milford schools and what have you. I'll give you the man's name tomorrow when I call you. But he said Greg and I have another relationship with the guy that's beside the

074point. your friends. I'd be more than willing to participate in these discussions and yes, everything comes with a price. However, given the current uh >> climate exactly climate, there is nobody in this room or this town that would turn a death ear or a blind eye to any type of a tax hit, if you will, if it were going toward making these places more safe, more secure. I know it's easier said than done. Typically what happens as we all know this is a hot button issue and I hope it continues to get hotter but in time they do fade away. That seems to be human nature sadly. However, it behooves us at this time to be a leader and to show the way and to turn over every rock we can so that people truly

075are looking at West Milford, you know, when it comes to this kind of thing as a leader. I can think of no better thing to be a leader in right here in February of 2018. And my point is we all agree on that. This is this is no big announcement, but we're we're ahead of it already because we have West Milford people. This is their business and they can't wait to, you know, come in, speak, act as consultants, help draft uh specifications because this is all going to be bid work. But I think we need to take advantage of this type of thing. And they're ready to go. I just got to call him. You just got to meet with them. And uh it's I I think it should be number one on the top

076of the list tonight. >> I agree. >> The fact that um you know, we have people, you know, educators, it's a more dangerous line of work all of a sudden than what >> you know, filling up like others do. It just does not make any sense. and we can do more in West Milford and we have that opportunity to do it. Just let me know when and where you want to meet and when you want those guys to be here. >> We we we did discuss just that maybe something will come through budget and finance coming in March so that we can have some of this discussion. >> The sooner the sooner the better, Miss Linda >> coming up. So >> we have it on our agenda for budget finance uh in a couple weeks.

077that >> my offer is for the West Coven people to talk to you directly when you want to talk to them and they have some ideas simple steps that we can take right now to make everything more secure. Well, >> uh, to carry on this conversation, uh, last year in budget and finance committee after I went to an NJSBA school security conference, uh, a firm came in to to demonstrate a lockout system and a communication system because the the uh, the administration was looking towards replacing their outdated infrastructure and I felt it was killing two birds with one stone and perhaps we can have them present themselves here to the bull board. That way we could at even at the very least have an idea of what type of systems are out there. So perhaps

078maybe we could do something like that. >> We we'll look into it. As far as for the budget, I don't know what was looked into. >> I can send you the information. >> Maybe if we can get that information out, we can look at that, too. Um, and on the same topic, I know that in the past, uh, we've had officers in the schools. I don't remember what they were called. The resource officers resource officers. Uh, maybe Terry could tell us how what they did and how they that worked. >> Well, I think that's a budget item that's for the police officers that they don't have anymore, >> right? That's why we have to talk about it so that we know whether to budget something for >> I mean, no, it's it's something that they

079don't >> offer. Oh, >> the town won't pay for anymore. That's why we lost them. >> That's how we lost them to begin with. >> But I I would I would even say that we should increase um the security guards at the high school and at Mccapin. Um I would like to see that. I think the guys that are working and the women that are working are overburdened right now. And I think um you know having that third eye might not be such a bad thing, but it again it would cost money. So, I don't know. I >> I mean I we we are fortunate in West Milford that our three security guards that are in our high school and our middle school are retired police officers. >> So, you know, and some it's not

080a hired agency that's in there. But Terry is correct. We need, you know, and let's face it, until something happens, people don't really identify. There probably are people in the community right now that don't have any idea that we even have those three security guards in the in the schools >> because I've read some stuff that >> made me think, well, I don't think you've ever been in the building then, you know. But I and and maybe it's a good thing that they they don't realize that they're there, but you know, they do things that we probably don't know about. But you're right, we need to look into it. But the resource office, I think that's probably gone away in a lot of places other than the inner cities. Well, maybe we could approach the

081police off police department and the council. >> You probably have to approach the council change. >> There you go. >> Well, I mean, we can certainly >> There goes that zero. >> We can certainly we can certainly make requests as as a board of the council to consider and see if they can manage something, right? >> I totally agree. Any other discussions? Anybody have anything else on budget or questions? More questions? >> Oh, yeah. Okay. Um, >> I'm sorry. Well, >> no, go ahead. It's fine. We'll get to it soon. Out of >> turn, so it's okay to pass them off. >> Um, there under the operations budget on page two under repair and maintenance. I'm going to talk about items in uh this line item. What page? >> Two. >> It's page two. Starting

082on page two. There are roof repairs for PK, APHUA, and UGL. I was wondering if we're close to needing to replace any of those groups [Music] >> and you can say I don't know. >> I understand though from what I've said uh from what I've been told uh not at this point. >> Okay. >> Those repairs that are the nature of a flat roof. >> Yeah. I mean you you watch uh I think one of the other schools might have fun too or partial >> probably is relatively new. I think that was like 13 years or so. >> Um you just have to keep up with the the um the flashings and things like that so that it doesn't get worse. So that's just normal repairs that we do. >> Okay. Thank you. May I

083run with the ball? I'll try to be as quick as possible. Thank you. >> Um for asbesus abatement, uh I just feel that >> perhaps that this board can figure out a way to maybe get as close to 100% abated as possible. If there's any possibility of doing a large scale project, may not be in this budget cycle, but perhaps in the next one, where a full inventory of any of the buildings that need abatement are put together and we do put out a referendum to once and for all take care of an asbestous problem that's been here since the beginning of these buildings. >> Well, don't say that we have an asbestous problem. Well, I'm sorry. Any any issue that may be in the district that can be taken care of, perhaps we can

084take a comprehensive approach to uh asbestous of vaping. >> I I think what you need to recognize is that um most items that might contain a specimen as speces are contained and and there's no really real reason to to abate them. Um we do have a couple areas and um they're being addressed. We have um our asbestous plan is monitored every six months. Um we have um our walkthroughs every every six months they come through every 3 years they do a comprehensive walk through. So that's all taken care of. >> Is there a report generated from that? >> Yes, absolutely. It's in every building. >> Do we have any unencapsulated asbestous? >> Unencapsulated. I I couldn't answer that. I can tell you though that there are some areas that need to be abated and we're

085going to take care of that. Um >> when you say abated, when you say abated, does it mean removed? >> Yeah, because kids are biting holes in the roof tile, uh the ceiling tiles. M. >> So, uh, when they when they poke holes in the ceiling tiles, um, it's loosening things up. So, we have to abate that. >> Mhm. >> so it's probably not encapsulated underneath there, though. >> No, it's the tiles themselves. >> Oh, it's the tiles themselves. >> If you damage stuff, >> Yeah. >> then you have to deal with the wall. You kind of know your >> Yeah. >> But, uh, that is that is also included. to do some uh repairing uh abatement at Matin School. >> Okay. On um high school page six down at the bottom, we have $100,000

086for kitchen equipment. >> Oh. >> Uh that was removed, right? Just want to confirm that. >> We have zero in in the budget for that. I see >> page six high school >> page six that's 29 >> uh kitchen equipment >> I think >> that's zero right >> basically um [Music] >> the very bottom line >> very bottom line >> oh there it is a whole >> Mr. Borski when he prepares his budget >> also puts a list of things that he would like to um bring our attention to. >> Mhm. >> And so the kitchen equipment is just something that um he's indicating he would love to have his kitchen renovated. >> Okay. >> And it would be about $100,000. >> That's his kitchen wish list. I got it. Okay. >> And same place,

087page four. Um, same thing. Same thing with the exterior windows. That's that's another wish list item. >> It's toward the bottom 34,000. >> Okay. So, that's not an issue then, right? >> Placeers >> so that in future budgets we can keep an eye on this. >> Basically, he brings those things to our attention. >> Okay. So, just making sure that I understood that. Um, >> is you know I I have equip I don't want >> but you know with this kitchen equipment >> if we were to renovate maybe we could bring our own ladies in and get a dietitionian and not rely so much on public >> appointment or is the kitchen home the >> no home was done was done it's a nice kitchen >> a number of years ago this is the cafeteria

088appointment but I think I think because of the the changes in the laws over the last six years. Um, a dietician is not going to make a difference. >> Just I I What responsibility does the the vendor have as far as the equipment? >> They can't have any. It's our equipment. >> So, there's no it's up to us to maintain it, replace it. >> If something breaks, we have to replace it or repair it. >> Yeah. They they can't use um that as an incentive to be here. >> So they can't say if you hire us as a vendor I'll put in $100,000. >> That's 31 responsibility. >> On the same page is a wrestling mat hoist for 18,750. I have to admit I don't know anything about wrestling mat hoists. So maybe you could

089enlighten me. >> Same page. Same page. Uh, page four. >> We have very limited uh space, very limited space right now. This is wrestling season. Um, you have regions this weekend. >> So, um, so so they have to if they're they're borrowing mats or if they're storing their own mat, they have to put it up on a rack and they have to move it into a basketball. >> This gets it off the ground. It It's easier to transition from wrestling to basketball. You can't pick them up. They have rolled and then they have to go on a on a dolly and they have to be moved. >> So it's and they keep these hoist gets it off the floor. Rolled up and gets it off the floor. >> They take up the space on the

090gym floor. >> All right. So we can transition from sport to sport. >> They kind of like hoist it up to the ceiling level. >> Not that high but off the ground. >> Does anyone have any more questions? >> It's basically because we're limited with space. >> Right. >> Okay. Will. >> Yes. I'm going to rattle off my last three. Um, operations page three. >> Lights are factory able to accept less. >> I don't think so. >> You have to have a vendor come in to take care of it. And um >> uh the Westbrook Media Center flooring replacement car and BCT is that here. >> What's wrong with it? >> Say that again. What What are we looking at? >> Some of the media centerpile >> media center carpet. >> This is an annual

091This is a uh regularly scheduled carpet upgrade that we roll out every year. One school it's >> Westbrook, next year it's McAPin, the next year it's it just gets dirty over time. >> What's wrong with I don't What's wrong with this? >> I don't think there's anything wrong with this. >> That's a lot of money. $16,000. >> Can't Can't we do something we really need >> with that? It cost >> It gets a lot of use. Uh I think if you take a closer look, it's a little bit beat up. >> Even if we got three smartboards, it would be better use to promote education. Do do we know the last time this was replaced? >> Doesn't matter. >> Top my head. We'd have to look into when Mr. Gorino asked when's the last time

092this has been replaced. >> Um, not my lifetime here. >> Okay. >> So, it's been quite some time. We had some uh issues with it a few years ago when we had the roof replacement. It it was >> so there's probably mold under it. >> Um we had uh if you recall at one time Westbrook school had all carpeting in the hallways and we did pull that up and put all tile in to the hallways so that it was easier to clean and it just looked a lot better. >> Would the new carpets typically are carpet squares tiles. So if there is a stain like there's one right there, you would just take that square >> tile up and put a new square down. Buy a couple extra like that. My own HD. >> So

093last question is about the Marshall Hill. Now, I I made a December recreation and advisory uh liaison report, and one of the things that was brought up was the Marshall Hill Field with uh their inadequate fencing for a game. And I got jumped on, not literally, but figuratively. I was jumped on told that it was already done. >> Apparently, there's two pieces. >> Stop. >> I didn't know that. Well, there's a softball field that we did do one town. We did do one. >> So, one was done. The other Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, we were >> Marshall Hill >> should have only been half jumped up >> in the back. >> Yeah. You put new fence in the back stop and all that. You need that. There are issues with the back stop and

094clay and >> but that the issues were from the salt med. >> Yes. Mhm. >> You said it was correct. >> It's right. >> I know. So, we did we did do some work and at that time I thought that >> I couldn't imagine why it was they were still complaining about it, but then I found out that there was another area that needed to be addressed. >> Does that school use the factor? >> Um, I believe so. What is actually underneath this carpet? >> I don't want to know. >> Doesn't Doesn't feel like padding. >> It feels like a slab, but we won't know until we I It feels like a slab, but we won't know until we rip it up. >> Not hardwood. >> More layers. >> Would it be more economical down

095the road to just rip it out and put tiling in? And I mean, that that would be more lasting than the carpeting, wouldn't it? >> Tile cracks. >> Yeah. And you get the grout has Yeah. It's not necessarily >> They do tile carpet tile, don't they? They're >> squares. >> Well, that's what these are. That's what this is. Yeah. >> Okay. I just thought it might be more down the line. >> You're talking about the same thing just with carpet. >> So, you pull up a square and put another one down. It's a piece of cake. >> Anybody else? Yeah. Um I guess this would be for Alex. Uh uh are do any administrators other than you get merit incentives? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Not in this budget. >> Okay. Um in that case

096I have to ask um personnel page eight. [Music] Um it's >> this way. Where the heck is it? There it is. [Music] Um, the FY19 adjustment. As far as I can tell, this is the only positive FY19 adjustment where it adds money instead of subtracting it in in this whole book cuz I at least that I saw. >> There's a lot of them. >> No, there's a lot. >> There's a lot of them. Okay. Well, this $10,000 that we're adding, what is that for? Because we we know the salaries, right? >> These salaries here >> are current salaries. come July. >> Okay. For raises, >> new craz new contracts. >> So, it's for raises. Okay. Thank you. >> Um Okay. Um Barbara, the request for interest, the RFI for Hillrest, what's our status on that?

097>> Um in the newspaper, we requested um a return date of February 28th. >> Okay. >> So, >> when when would did that go out? How much time did we give them? >> It's been out for about 3 weeks. >> Okay, great. And um do we have anything in this book at all for carrying costs on Hillrest? >> No, we're right now we're absorbing it in our operations budget. >> Okay. >> Oh, sorry. Go ahead. on page eight of 50 under personnel again. Why is there so much overtime? I mean, I know we added an extra secretary last year. Um, and I just don't understand why there's so much. >> I'm sorry, Mrs. Dwire, where >> page 8 of 50 underneath um salary secretary and clerical overtime. Why is there so much overtime at the

098board office for um that that I know it's not a lot. It's $1,000, but I'm just >> It's because it went up 100% as much as Yeah. I just don't, >> you know, there might be um times when we have to keep the staff, >> you know, to to do special projects or something. >> Okay. >> Just to spend the money if but if it's there if we need it. >> I know. I'm just curious. We really avoid it at all costs. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Is there anybody else? >> Uh Barbara, what portion of the $750,000 for the bleachers and press box is the press box? I'm assuming the architectural stuff has is mainly for the press box, not the bleachers. >> That's that's a unit, right? >> The architectural stuff has to

099be for the entire project because it has to be submitted to the Department of Education. >> Oh, all right. So it has to be you have to come up with educational specifications and there has to be an application that gets submitted to the department of education for them to approve putting the bleachers in. >> And how much how much of the 750 is for the press box >> and and what are we doing to that? Um >> it'll be it's part of the >> is it a repair or full replacement? >> No, it's part of the new bleachers. >> Oh, it's going to be attached. It's going to be attached. Yeah, the new press boxes are are accessed through the bleachers. >> Oh, okay. So, it's a single unit. >> Mhm. >> This is attached

100to bleachers. >> Now, the cost makes more sense. Thank you. >> The bleachers are a tough one to swallow. I understand. But >> this this is something that has been waiting has been on the back burner for way too long. >> I I had understood the bleachers usually cost around 500 600,000 something like that. when it saw 750. Now, having a press box attached to it kind of explains >> the the the higher number. >> One one of the positives out of the new bleachers is going to be that our our um band >> other other other entities in the town, we will be able to host something there. Now, we can't invite anyone here because we don't have the ability to see anyone there. >> It's money and it's going to gen right. Exactly.

101It's going to generate revenue. I think from a safety perspective, we really need to we really need to do a look at the bleachers and that's important. Um, that having been said, you know, these big the biggest numbers seem to be for things that are not going to promote academic education, which is our primary mandate according to the New Jersey School Boards Association. So, you know, I just I understand we have to do this. It needs to be done. We don't want anybody getting hurt. >> We want to be sitting at graduation. You know, I'm just looking I'm just looking carefully at the big numbers because you know there's anything we can save on the big numbers like that we can put toward actual education. >> I think I think it is >> having been

102a board member for 12 years and having to you know being a parent for a long >> where where she lives. >> Okay. field. >> Anyway, um there's a big difference. >> The extracurricular components, which you know, the field and teachers are are part and parcel for improving your academic program. >> Absolutely. >> So, I think that's really incumbent that everybody understand that they go hand in hand. You can't segregate them, >> right? Um, if you want to have a a a well-rounded program, you need to be able to give them things outside of the classroom because that's what keeps kids in the classroom and keeps them focused. >> Mhm. >> Mr. Bailey, >> ditto. That's right. And to sit here and annunciate or talk about that there's less or no educational value to those

103programs that that complex houses athletic. >> That's not what was said. >> Excuse me. >> Very shallow >> athletic event. man competitions, what have you, >> special, >> it's just not correct. Furthermore, we have kind of looked the other way on that complex >> generally for a generation. So, what we have there is a phenomenal setting, first of all, a complex that's sorely in need of some improvements. So this is the little bleachers in the fieldhouse. And yes, we could push it off to 2019 and then in 19 we push off to 20, but the time to do all of this is now cuz we've literally pushed it off for many, many years. Furthermore, it hosts two of the biggest best events that happen in West Milford >> twice a year. high school graduation, which

104against that backdrop with the bag pipers and you know all that kind of stuff is like it's phenomenal. You should be proud of that. and to have grandma and grandpa come with no ADA accessibility, not the proper platform for uh audio visual, you know, filming and all of that with that broken down press box that's been there for literally 50 years. We're crazy not to fix it. That's event number one. Event number two, finally they've come to their senses and they're coming back. There's nothing better in West Milford in the middle of the summer. >> And the fireworks. Yep. >> The fireworks. >> Yeah. >> So, people come here and Yes. Everybody talks here about the taxes are going up. I'm voting yes. That's why I need to participate. I've always voted yes. I want

105my taxes to go high. But at least I want my tax dollars to be targeted towards nice things, which is a good set of bleachers to watch graduation, >> to watch the fireworks. I don't think that's asking too much. And if you I know this works. >> If you give the people what they want, they're going to support your programs. >> And we may be able to attract people to move into West Milford. I hear this talk about flight out of West Milford. I don't know if that's that's not true >> our job as a board, but I know our job is to take every penny, spend it wisely, keep an eye on you, the administrative team, and get some things done around here like a wish list that we've wanted to do forever. Nobody

106wheels their wrestling mats out on a dolly like we do in West Milford. They hit a button and they go up to the ceiling. I know I'm in a lot of gyms as an example. And it's the same thing here. And to take this money, and somebody mentioned it before, it might have been you. We only have like the best marching band in the entire state. When I go all over the place in football season, oh, Mr. Bailey, you're from West Milford. You know what they sending me? What a band. >> Something about Dr. Annabone. >> What a band. They say >> in Randolph in these places where they have these band contests that are like it's like Woodstock at those things. You can't get in. >> No. >> And why can't we do it

107here? It's not cuz Dr. McLolin can't figure it out. He can figure it out. It's not cuz we don't have a van. It's because we don't have the not the setting. We don't have the facilities, the upgraded facilities. >> So, there would be another phenomenal event we could do around here. >> And if you give the taxpayer in West Milford what they want, they're going to support the board. They're going to support the team. And they're definitely going to reelect Mr. Bailey back to office in November. And that's what they do cuz that's what I'm for. Nice things for West Milford like they have in other towns. And the bleachers are a nice thing. The fieldhouse is a nice thing and we need it. >> And I have on good account, >> sir. >> I

108have on good account this past autumn on a Friday night at a football game. >> They >> at another location, somebody asked you about me and you put it in good words for me. I >> was in Essex County. >> Yeah. I I'd like to segue off what Mr. Bailey was talking about and ask Barbara what are the possibilities of instead of financing these things the way we're doing it is doing a bond issue cuz we also >> pretty soon need to redo the turf field >> get any money back on the ground for the bleachers >> you you can't get it on the turf field either >> no education >> only on actual you can get it on building improvement though if we want to do it for a roof >> okay >> or

109another classroom that we're going to put on you can get it for that but not not on things like athletic. >> Okay. >> Go ahead. Um well, >> and and right now we're leasing, you know, we we did we're doing what we can by at least purchasing it and paying it out over a 5-year plan. >> Okay. >> so I'm out of questions, so I just have a couple closing remarks. Um I don't disagree with the tax increase. Um, I think that I know the starting point is 3 and a half% and I do hope to see that there are cuts made to that 3 and 12% and are presented shortly especially seeing as the township is having decreasing numbers. It's not a flight but it is dramatically decreasing and I think we're all fully

110aware of that. I think that it's important that we perhaps down the line take upon a demographic study as as uh as much emotion as it stirs, I think it's our priority to do so. And hopefully at some point the board supports that. And number three, I'm reiterating the fact that I believe in my heart of hearts that the board truly does need a prioritized list of capital needs so we can provide input as well. and not for the sake of saying you can't have that, you can't have that. But I feel that we have so much to offer as board members and that a list that shows that your science labs are in there, your turf field is in there and things that we may not have seen or the administration may not have

111seen. That type of input I feel is what the board's role is and I hope to see that in some point in the future. >> Thank you, Will. >> Thank you. Anybody else? >> Anybody else first? Steve, go ahead. I'll let Steve go first. >> Question on the bleachers are the I haven't seen any plans for this. Are we going to raise them so that the first >> Absolutely. >> first couple of rows are usable. >> You can't buy them anyway. They have to be because they have to be able >> if I can. From everything I can see looking at statistics, we have no flight or movement into either way. M >> in 1990 there were 25,900 people in West Milford >> and today there are 26,000 people. It's gone up or down by

112maybe 100% >> for 30 years. What we do have is property values go up or down depending on whether more people are trying to sell homes versus buy homes. Um they are going up slightly. So, and we have reduced the inventory of foreclosures and unsold homes in town substantially over the last 5 years. Um, but it's, you know, we got 10,000 properties, some of which are commercial and some of which are residential. We've had that for 30 years. We've got 26,000 people, and we've had that for 30 years. It was just and I do know you know that that people absolutely make decisions based on schools and taxes. So if we do better in the schools everybody's property values that's one of the reasons I like >> as said by Steve >> you can look

113at the numbers. >> You're right. >> No that's just the way it is. >> Steve Steve Steve does everything through analysis. Uh uh I I would like to sort of look at and this is probably not the real form forum to do that but whether or not we might do the roof and any other large capital projects uh as as a bond and part >> road. >> Yeah. and and part of the reason for looking at that I don't know if we have other things on the on the agenda to look at but the um uh >> I I assume some people pay attention but interest rates are going up they're probably never going to be this low again in my lifetime and and even you people who are younger than me this is uh

114um you know and of Of course, you spread it out over the something like a building is a 10 at least a 10 or 15 year asset and then you spread it out. I I really appreciate Barbara that you're looking at, you know, multi-year leases on these things rather than, you know, good, good, good. But the um, you know, I think we did very well. I'm so sorry we didn't include Maple Road when we did the roofs on the other buildings because it would have small >> and and obviously the other part of that is we get the state to pay for parking. You combine the super low interest rates with, you know, reimbursement for part of it and it just makes it so that it's not a terrible hit. I don't know whether there

115are other things that we had a little I saw quite a few projects on there, windows and doors and HVAC and, you know, all kinds of maintenance things that might some of which might be included in that. Um, but I sure would like us to look at that possibility because when you do it that way, it's it's honestly it's fairly easy to sell to the voters. Now, your taxes are going to be this if we do a bond or they're going to be this if we don't, you know, lowers taxes. >> Uh, yeah. Uh, extending off what Will said, Will, um, Barbara kindly provided us with a 2010 demographic study. >> Mhm. >> In that study, if I'm recalling correctly, it's been a very long time. I might be wrong, but I believe what it

116said was that at the time of the study, um, the enrollment was at a certain point where they did not recommend doing anything. that at that point they I believe it said that if we fell below 3500 that that was the time to look at uh consolidating schools elementary schools and we're doing that with classrooms already maybe it's time to look at that and we already have a demographic study so I don't know that we need to pay for a second one >> here I think we do a second one 10 years >> okay but if if we're going to do that and if it says the same thing >> I think that the the smart approach to take would be to put um a referendum question on the November ballot uh to ask the

117the the town's people what they would prefer, you know, whether they would prefer to save the money because if we did something like that, it would free up an awful lot of money toward education facilities and activities and you name it. It's not the main. >> So, um, there's a lot of overhead involved that wouldn't necessarily be necessary. >> Anybody else have anything else? >> I think I think it's incumbent on the I I I do think that if you want to do a demographic study, that would be timely because the state usually ask you to do one every 10 years anyway. But >> you're not you're not going to save teachers because the teachers are going to follow the students. >> Yeah. >> So there's not a lot of money that you're really going

118to save. >> You know, you'll see a savings in your first year, but after that it's not going to be there. The one thing that I would say that I would look at is the fact that when we closed the building before, right now we're trying to see what we can do to get rid of it because it fell into disrepair. And we don't I I don't think that we want to do that and have that happen to another building and repeat the the mistake of that history. And I will say when and I'm only talking for myself, when I moved here, I'm here 30 years now. When I moved here, they wanted to close Maple Road School because they said that the enrollment was down and and we wound up five years after I

119after that having to redistrict because the district grew in such big numbers. Right now, like Steve said about our our amount of people that are living here, it since we can't expand here because of the fact of the watershed property, you're right. The amount of people who live here are the people, you know, it's not going to grow by a whole lot, but what happens is it runs in a cycle and we have right now a lot of older people are are in town and those homes are going to sell and then the kids are going to come back. I'm not saying that we're going to come back in the numbers that were coming, but there's going to be kids again. So, I I agree that we I think that there should be a study

120because, you know, we we definitely should look at it today, but I I do see kind of something history kind of repeating itself in West Milford. Uh Debbie, I know I've been very loud this evening, so forgive me for taking time again. Um the other thing we need to consider is since we're bringing a lot of our special ed children back into the district, they're going to take up classroom spaces. The um ratio for student teachers is much smaller in those classrooms if they are in a special program. So those are going to be additional classrooms that we're going to need. So be I I agree with the study, but I really think we really need to look at our a a long-term plan, especially if the goal is to bring our kids back into

121district. We don't want to close a school and then find out we're really short short of classrooms. >> One one last question I thought of. Um, Barbara, could you provide us with a projection on what our income is going to be based on this year's um this year's uh state aid >> state projections? Can you give any kind of projection? We we there's no way we can intelligently consider whether a 3.5% tax increase is reasonable or not without that information. >> This is based upon this number of the state aid dollars that we received last year. >> Okay. So this total balances out >> the total budget that you've been given is based upon our revenues um that we received last year in state uh an adjustment in our extraordinary aid because we did receive

122less money last year in extraordinary aid. Um overall >> over overall I know you said 3 and a half% overall the budget is only up 1.25%. And that's due in part because of the declining fund balance of over 900,000, diminished state aid over time, diminished federal aid. Our extraordinary aid has been cut each of the last three years. So you add up all those numbers and yes, the T proposed tax increase is here, but other revenue sources are lower. So it balances out to a 1.25% increase. This year's budget 1718 is was down less than a almost 1%. It was 0.88% decrease. The budget before that 1617 was down a quarter of 1%. So over 3 years, our budget is roughly flat over the last three years. So it's three very fiscally conservative budgets in

123a row. And I don't think you could find another district in the entire state that could say that we have had a roughly flat budget over three years because our costs have gone up dramatically over that time. So, uh, we're working more efficiently. Dr. Mcuade is doing a wonderful job running the special services department in the most efficient manner possible, but overall we're looking at the third of three very fiscally prudent, very fiscally conservative budgets. Um, so that's the number to focus on. The bottom line is 1.25% increase. >> That's the number to focus on. >> Okay. So you're Okay, cuz the the opening letter said 3.5. All right. >> Now, that's the tax levy increase. The overall budget is 1.2 proposed 1.25% higher. >> Right. Okay. >> If I could just make a head.

124I think that this board has known that um when we sit here in February, these are numbers that we received in November from our principles and supervisors. Um as we get closer to April when the final budget has to be approved by the board, we've been able to tweak our numbers most uh notably in health benefits. Um Mr. Drew, I do take some um we've we've had our discussions about health benefits and quite honestly um the number that we do have in the budget this year. It's $3 million to offset what we're anticipating our costs are going to be next year. We're we're pretty close to um to that. um you're never going to get to not having any money left in that line item and I don't think you really want to because that's

125really a lift ticket. But one thing we can't deter we can't tell um who's going to be on a leave of absence and who's going to be paying us for the health benefits dollar for dollar because they're no longer entitled for the board's contribution. And quite honestly, if they're sending us a check for $2,000 a month and they're out for 6 months on a leave of absence, that's a substantial gain in that line. You're never going to be able to budget that to to no dollars left. I I think it's incumbent upon everyone sitting at the table to realize that revenues um if if we don't meet our revenue expectation and we spend out every line item, we're going to be in a deficit and and that could happen. Um the $900,000 that we had

126uh last year supported our our general fund as opposed to doing a capital project. So if that $900,000 had gone to a capital project, we wouldn't need to do that capital project again this year. And so that $900,000 would be a non-issue because it won't be supporting your general fund budget, which is which is your everyday items. So I think it's important that right now um you think about more questions. you know, you you need to feel comfortable with what's in there, but historically, we've been able to trim out especially the health benefits. Um, by the time the the the uh final budget is is done because every month, Horizon Blue Cross whittleles their number down based upon their claims experience, our claims experience. So, um, you know, we we have an opportunity to save

127a few hundred,000 hopefully, >> but it also could cost you more because we could have people in the district that >> get very pretty good idea. And I think that I I think there's a couple factors working for us this year. Uh, the Affordable Care Act hasn't been a couple years ago, the Affordable Care Act uh factored heavily in the renewal rates where this year you're not going to see that. And uh last year the governor um Governor Christie probably the only thing he did um really good last year was um he was able to get Blue Cross Blue Shield to pass along the savings that they were getting from the prescription drug manufacturers. So that helped you know keep our our premiums um stable. But um you know we're doing everything that we can

128but there's some costs that we have no control over and there's a lot of things that come up that we have no way of knowing it's going to materialize. Um you know as I said these numbers that you're looking at were put together in November of 2017 and we're already four months into that. So, you know, we we just do the best we can. >> Thank you. >> All right, we have five minutes before nine. So, I have a softball question for Dr. Mcuade. Um, I think I know the answer to it, but I think everybody else in the public should hear the answer. Um the special services uh budget went up $180,000 in here and it adds a couple of positions uh for speech therapists and occupational therapist and in a little bit more

129for behaviors than it was last year >> and I think I know the reasons for this but um I think everybody probably like to hear it. >> Sure. >> I could take a softball question or a different one. It's up to you. But what I will say is that um what we're proposing for next year's budget is that we're hoping to open up another autism class. So as you know, we've been opening up autism programs along the way very slowly over the past several years. Next year's class we do have we're expecting to have a full class which is six students in an autism class. So as you begin to expand our program and it looks like most of our classes will be pretty pretty filled to start the year in our autism program. So

130because of that then services increase in the related service area. So the behaviorist that you notice in the contracted services account does go up to 4 days like pretty much we need four or four and a half days that's in there as well as an increase of OT by 3 days and speech therapy by 3 days. So that's why you notice that there is an a pretty a pretty substantial increase by $168,000. That's to account for the related services that we would need. Now, we did post anticipated. Of course, if we can get people interested in a in a position that's, you know, board position, we would love to do that, but it's it's budgeted for you in that purchase professional account in case that doesn't happen. Go ahead, Mr. D. Are these autistic classes

131all West Milford children or are we taking them from out of district also? Well, it's a good question because ideally we would like to take students from other districts and allow them to come in the program similar to what we do in our multiple disabled program, but we just don't have the room. Our our West Milford students are filling those slots. >> So, right now we have Yeah, we're we're full right now at all, you know, pretty much all four of our classes we have open now. But it still is a savings though. Yeah. If you if you actually consider, you know, a $60,000 per student tuition, that's not including, you know, an extended school year and things like that. It's definitely a cost savings to the district to open up our programs. And I

132do feel it's it's a best practice. If we talk about what's best for students, it's best for them to be serviced in the least restrictive environment. >> So, it's an increase in one area and a much larger decrease in another area. >> Another area. Exactly. >> Well, yes. Um, I think it's important to note that in my opinion a large reason that the fund balance did decrease by 900 plus,000 is because we did encumber at the end of the year $475,000 for the transportation remediation which was not budgeted in the prior year's budget. Um, so I think we do have to take that into account. So it did decrease but I think that's in large part >> that's absolutely true but then you would have had a budget in another budget cycle. So you know

133we six of one half dozen the other money needed to be spent one way. Believe me, if behind closed doors, I was I was arguing to make sure that that happened. >> Means that if if we didn't do it take it out of last year's budget 1617, it we would have had to take and put it into 1718 budget. So your 1718 budget would have been $475,000 higher. >> That's fair. And I definitely definitely am on the side of we needed to do that now and let's get this done mentality. But I think that it is important to note that um in the future I am highly concerned for the 1920 budget where we may be facing the Cadillac tax. >> No extended to 2022 for now that way. The government is never going to

134have. >> I'm done. >> Okay, that's good. >> So that's it. >> I'm done. I promise. >> Steve, maybe one more thing that then we'll open up for petitions and everything. >> Yeah, this should be relatively quick. That account is so big that I agree with you. You don't want to understate that or you could just blow a huge hole in the budget. And I'd also observe there's no place in the budget that says here's the statemandated regular surplus. So someplace you've got to have something. Uh >> uh I'm sorry. I don't understand what you're saying. The state >> the state mandates you've got the regular surplus >> and then you have the excess surplus and we never budget the regular surplus. >> No, you don't. >> So you got to have some someplace. >>

135All that does is help your cash flow. That $1.4 million, that's your 2%. It just helps your cash flow. Um it it's required we don't want we don't want to underestimate that account because it could be a huge hole. The other one other real quick observation with regard to the demographics that's the way the demographics have been and one of the things that is um a factor on that that seems to be the way millennials are doing things now. Okay. However, we have to realize this is also people who've had children right around the recession. And I think almost everybody when faced with the uncertainty in the recession, lots and lots of people nationwide said, "Maybe I'll wait to have kids." It's possible that could change. We really don't know. Um either way, we're probably

136going to stay around 26,000 people in West Melford. It's just how many of them are going to be school age kids. I I don't disagree with you on that at all. I I'm just saying I think you see that the amount of people like homes are not going to change vastly. >> Nope. >> So, uh is is the board okay to move into um petitions and requests now? >> Yes. Um, so I'd like to open up. [Music] >> So, uh, uh, we'd like to open petition I petitions and requests. Uh, petitioners who have requested well that's where uh, petitioners wishing to speak during petitions and requests are asked to address the topics listed in the agenda. All speakers are asked to give their full name, spell their last name, and provide their address. Speakers may

137not use the names of students during petitions and requests. And we um are opening this up for five minutes uh for per speaker for a period of 30 minutes. Anyone wishing to speak? >> Seeing none, we >> need a motion. >> Move to close petitions and requests. Second. All those in favor? I. Any oppose? >> All right. >> Just to clarify for the video camera in the minutes, the second petitions and requests could be on anything, not just um >> Oh, I didn't read that. >> You did? >> Oh, I did. I just want to clarify anyone sees that. >> So, should we do the one or should we do it all together? I know. >> Okay. Would you like to do that first? Move to approve item one under education. >> Second. >> Any

138discussion? If not, Mrs. >> Mrs. Dwer, >> yes. >> Mrs. O'Brien, >> yes. >> Mr. Borino, >> yes. >> Mr. Yuber. >> Mrs. Fritz. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sidowitz. >> Yes. >> Mr. Drew. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mrs. Van Dyke. >> Yes. Now we need a motion for executive session. Motion to go to executive session at 9:01 p.m. [Music] >> Just [Music] we're going to return from executive session to finish the [Music] Sorry. He's thinking he's thinking he's thinking he's thinking. >> Mrs. Dwire >> here. >> Miss O'Brien >> here. >> Mr. Gino >> here. >> Mr. Huber >> here. >> Mrs. Fritz? Yeah. He asked that she Mr. Sid >> here >> Mr. Bailey Mr. Drew >> approve >> here >> Mrs. Dwire. >> Okay. Move on to item two. >> Okay. Um move

139to approve the recommendation of the superintendence to resolve the following hits. 2018 E10 unsubstantiated. 2018 E11 substantiated. 2018 E12 unsubstantiated. and 2018 E13 unsubstantiated. >> Second. >> Any discussion? Mrs. Francisco. >> Mrs. Dwer. >> Yes. >> M. O'Brien. >> Yes. >> Mr. Gorino. >> Yes. >> Mr. Yuber. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sidowitz. >> Yes. >> Mr. Drew. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Van Dyke. >> Yes. >> I need a motion to Hi. >> Good night to everybody Tuesday. Yeah. >> Oh, everybody, if you would, I gave out articles on popcorn lung. If you wouldn't mind reading them before next week. I'm going to make some motions about that. It's a safety issue. >> Oh, I thought we were going to have a quick Oh, >> it has nothing to do with popcorn. >> No. Well, this

140concept It has to do with permanent lung damage from babies. >> I'm sorry the boys get I two or three motions I'm thinking about making um with regard to that and I need to ask the um >> Yeah, I was going to ask I was actually going to ask