001Wednesday, October 11th, 2017 special meeting of the West Milford Board of Education. Uh in conjunction with our uh town council, um I think everybody knows where the exits are and please silence any cell phones that you might have um on or turn them off, either or. And if we could have a moment of silence for the ongoing calamities, you know, created by the recent hurricanes. >> Flag salute, please. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> I'm glad to see nobody took a knee. Um, in accordance with the provisions of the open public meetings act, a public notice of this meeting has been sent to board members, all district schools, the
002Herald News, the trends, the record, the messenger, West Milford town hall, county superintendent's office, the board attorney and cable vision of Warwick and has been posted in the administration building. Copies of the board meeting calendar resolution were provided to all local media, town hall, township, library, and or all district schools. The township of West Milford published notice of this special meeting in the Herald News in its issue of October 8th, 2017. Copies were provided to the suburban trends, the record star ledger, and posted continuously on the bulletin board in the main corridor of the town hall and on file of the office of the township clerk. Mrs. Francisco, roll call, please. >> Mr. Bailey, Mr. Sidowitz, >> here. >> Mr. Drew, Mrs. Dwire, >> here. >> Mr. Robbins, Mrs. Fritz >> here, >> Mr. Huber,
003Mr. O'Brien >> here, >> Mr. Foody >> present. >> Um, for the council. >> Yeah, we should do a roll call. >> Yeah. >> Mayor Vier >> here. >> Councilwoman Eric >> here. >> Councilman Hensley >> here. >> Councilman Wackley here. Uh, Councilman McInness, Councilman Signarino >> here, >> Councilwoman Lenber >> here. The purpose of this meeting is to conduct a joint meeting with the West Milford Township Council and Township Administrator to discuss the Hillrest building. Um, we you want to do the petitions and requests afterwards? >> I think you have to do it first. >> Um, you might want to listen to the members of the audience. You're not really doing anything that's going to be voted upon. So, they may have some things that they want to bring to your attention. >> Okay.
004>> Discussion. Uh petitioners requested to speak prior to the meeting will be first with five minutes for each petitioner for a period of 30 minutes and then time permitting other petitions or requests limited to 5 minutes per petitioner will be allowed until the 30 minute period transpires. Petitioners speaking during petitions and requests are asked to address topics listed in the agenda. All speakers are asked to give their full name, spell their last name, provide their address. Speakers may not use the names of students during petitions and requests. I see that we there's nobody on this list, but is anybody asked to uh speak for >> I'd like to speak if we have >> Y. >> Hi, good evening. I'm Joe Cassella. C L A Huitt Road. Um just we I'm I'm on the board for
005West Little League and on behalf of us whatever decision is made with Hillrest. We want you to please keep in mind the kids in this town as it is now we don't have enough fields to play on the fields that we do have are in bad repair. It's a shame we I have a travel team and we go to all the towns all over the county Bergen County and what we play on down there what we have up here is is a big difference. So, whatever is decided upon with the Hillrest building, don't forget there's a pretty good baseball field back there. Please don't lose sight of that property. Not only for us, but for our friends in football, we don't have, it's hard to say, it's hard to can't believe I'm saying it, but
006in West Milford, we don't have enough fields. And then that makes no sense. And really, all the property, all the land around here, and we're we're fighting over baseball fields. So, please, whatever is decided with that building, leave that baseball and football field alone. Please. Our kids in this town need that baseball field. Thank you. >> Thanks, Mr. Nicholson. >> Hi, Bob Nicholson, 2000 Road, Stockholm. I'd like to speak, but there's no real agenda to speak about. So, you're here proposing what you're going to do with Hillrest. I mean, I can think of a million ideas or dis ideas. So, until you have a proposal, it's hard for me to comment. I mean, I can comment on innuendos and rumors if you like me to. I have no problem with that. But I'm not here
007to waste the people's time. You know, what are you going to do with Hillrest? Then I think the public can actually respond intelligently. >> So, can I get another chance after you have a meeting to to respond to what your proposals are? >> We could take that up afterwards. >> All right. Because otherwise, you know, >> Yeah, I know. If you went on rumors and innuendos, you you don't you'd exhaust your five minutes like that. So, >> well, it's very simple. Who's paying for this? Cut to the chase. That's you know what I mean? >> So, I mean that that's for me as a taxpayer. Is there going to be a tax increase to the residents? Me, my taxes are frozen so it doesn't affect me. It's kind of like the tax proposal for the
0081% of the rich. The rest of the people are going to have to do that. Um, I don't know. I mean, are you going to put a pool in an aquatic center? You going to raise the building? I mean, these are all questions that people need to know. And I would think before any discussion, we should figure out what the MUA is going to do because if the bond proposal doesn't go through, um, that's a big problem, isn't it? So, thank you. >> Thank you, Bob. Mr. Garcia. >> Good evening. Uh Chris Garcia, 200 Lakes Shore Drive. Uh first I'll I'll echo the sentiments from Mr. Castella. We do uh we do often have lackluster facilities here for the sports teams and that is disappointing. Uh I've coached a lot of sports, my kids play
009a lot of sports and travel in other towns. We we are not the envy of anybody with our facilities. Uh, having said that, it does cost real money to do that and I recognize that too. Uh, and I will uh I I don't even think Joe mentioned it, but Little League is actually investing in that field behind Hillrest right now with new turf uh football. Uh, I'm on the board with football and uh we've invested a lot of money in in in that field and uh we're going to continue to, you know, invest for our kids, but it would be nice to have good facilities. Uh, having said that, Mr. Nicholson's uh comments. I I agree. Um we need to not burden the taxpayers and I think there is a a potential plan to uh
010you know that could be um pulled together to make that happen. Uh a couple months ago uh Mr. Nolan and myself we did go to the board of education meeting and we presented a concept of an aquatic center. Uh and the idea there uh the purpose quite frankly would be multiffold. one the our swim teams don't even have a place to train as swim teams. Uh our seniors, we have seniors that are driving to Newton for to YMCA or uh paying for memberships at at various facilities down county or in Burton County to go swimming. Uh that's a shame. Uh and it's a burden for for people to have to travel. I know Mr. Nolan's daughters were on the swim team years ago and they'd go to Mountain Lakes to train. uh we could have
011and we do have a great opportunity here and uh at that meeting a couple months ago with the board of ed and and uh uh Bob and I did suggest that something like this happen and I'm glad to see this and I think uh we all have a great opportunity for our community to do something great here. Uh I do believe uh that we could do something that doesn't cost the taxpayers money if we bring together the right coalitions of organizations andor people to make that happen. Uh and there's any number of things that could happen to this property and and quite frankly some of them uh may have more merit than others, but in the in the whole scope of things uh I have a firm belief that the quality of life here in
012West Milford should be paramount in in the decisions we make. Uh improving that quality of life will improve our property values. Everybody's uh a taxpayer in this town. That's that's pretty important to everybody. Our homes are investments and if we can improve that investment, that's a good thing. And that's what we want to see with our taxpayer uh funds. Uh we also want to have outlets and avenues for our teens uh and our seniors uh and and you know, I I view them as most important because everybody in between is basically out working to pay those taxes and they don't get to enjoy the fruits of these uh types of endeavors. But I think our teens and our seniors, it's very important that they have uh adequate facilities to um enjoy recreational time um and
013and partake in activities that may not be available. And then uh my other point is that the uh uh we all know that drugs and alcohol are are a problem here and everywhere. Uh having more to do and and uh places to go will certainly help keep people from going in that direction. And I think that's probably uh one of the most important things and that certainly does affect our quality of life. So, you know, at the end of the day, I think there's a there's an opportunity to do something here in a way that it can't it cannot impact uh the taxpayers. Uh and you know, for instance, a YMCA or a Boys and Girls Club. Uh if we could uh you know, develop a plan with an organization like that. Uh and and
014this isn't a novel concept. I've had some private discussions with uh with some people that you know we we've basically come up with this uh uh you know this idea uh from feedback from from a number of different people but uh you know for instance a a 99-year lease at $1 uh that the board of education offers to a YMCA welcome a YMCA into West Milford uh they would in turn invest the money in probably raising the building and building a new facility uh and and they do first class facilities. They run first class facilities. They staff first class facilities. So all those costs would be borne by the YFCI or the Boys and Girls Club. Uh they would hire local people to work there. And it would be a great community resource for people
015in our community to enjoy something that we don't we don't have anywhere nearby here. Uh I like to play raetball. Where am I going to go play raetball around here? There's no place to go, you know. So that's just another example. And I think we could do something like that and still keep the fields in the back. Uh keep a deed restriction there to u maintain fields there. Uh and and and I'd like to see something like this happen here in West Milford. And I think it's uh you know it's up to up to these respective governing bodies to work together and and try to make that happen. And I'll do whatever I can to support that effort as well. Thank you. >> Anybody else? you want to speak? >> Uh, Robert Nolan, one winding
016way. And, um, uh, I would just ask both bodies to, um, put aside any differences from the past. Uh, I know when I was on the council, there was a lot of friction between the council I was on and the school board that was, uh, in office at that time, but, uh, thing things have changed since then. uh you know was the issue with the school owned Hillrest but the town was renting it and it was always were we doing enough maintenance etc etc etc uh and uh new life has moved out the building's empty through no fault of our own or anybody through it's really nobody's fault but it does present a unique opportunity have a one-time chance here to um to get something done and just leaving the building as it is it's
017going to deteriorate I don't really think it has much use Um it's an old building and uh uh but but here's here's a chance to do something good for the uh uh for the tax for the people in town. Like one of the things we we've heard is as we you know it's I think it's no secret Chris and I have been out campaigning and as we go through neighborhoods it's like is nothing for the kids to do. Um so uh here's an opportunity to give the kids something to do. I know it was in a paper the other day. was a 14-year-old found on a lawn in my neighborhood um overdosing on alcohol and uh I think something like this would be uh be big asset for the community and it would along with
018the new library and and basically uh make West Milford a place where people want to live. So thank you. >> Thank you Bob. >> Is there anybody else who would like to speak? None like to clarif. >> Thank you, Debbie. Thank you, Will. Uh, all in favor? >> Any opposed? >> Okay. Um, we'll move on then to what the purpose of this meeting is. Um, and which is to discuss between the two governing bodies what to do with the Hillrest building. Uh, Terry. Um, I went through the survey and it seems that it's um, it's almost 5050 between people who want a sports complex and people who want a ratable there. And I think maybe it would be a good idea if we took those two questions and brought them back to the community and
019um figured out, you know, what what people really want because right now according to the surveys, you know, some want this and some want that and it's pretty equal. And I think the survey has to reach more people. I don't think there have been um enough responses to really >> looking >> consider this Well, I think the survey is one thing, but you don't have no cost analysis that could be either direction you're going in. So, if you're going to sports complex, you know, what is the cost going to be to the taxpayers? So, to have somebody vote on something, but not know what the the cost is going to be. >> So, just to see where the mindset is. Um, I'm concerned about the condition of the building. When I went through the environmental
020report, I was very concerned about the intest, the rotten wood, the uh poor electrical system. It seems the only thing that's valuable in that building is the boiler, >> you know, >> and the door >> knobs and the doorork knobs. >> And the door Well, there I don't know. We have a lot of work to do. Um >> and and years ago, I guess about 10 15 years ago. Um I believe the YMCA did come up here and did do a um analysis of the needs and they turned us down. They did not want to come up. Did they give a reason at the >> I don't remember. >> Does somebody have that on record? My kids were so little, you know. I >> Yeah, it was a long time ago. >> Yeah. Time >>
021things have changed if because your kids are grown up and >> you're still young. Don't worry. >> They're old. My kids are old. >> Well, certainly it impacts me. You know, my oldest is using the field and certainly I have three others coming up behind them. So, uh I'm certainly interested in in figuring out what we're going to do with this with this property. I do like the survey and I think although u Mr. Writer made a great point if it was to be unanimous to one side why do all the work with the analysis on the other if there was no interest. So certainly if we could maybe um I don't know if today would be appropriate because we're not taking action or maybe at the next council meeting direct the administrator to maybe
022post a survey maybe the same survey or whatnot so we could have some comparable statistics that we could use. >> I would like that >> and uh try to kind of get that around. Patina, >> this is something that um I I had bore up like about five or six years ago when the whole concept of pulling out of Hillrest and saving the money that the township was putting into it while barely maintaining it. Um and knowing that there are asbestous issues and everything else and I had said all along that we would have to restrict the meals because we obviously do need them. And I in addition to doing that I mean I think the public so far is saying exactly what I have said along which is it could possibly be able or
023it should be some form of recreational facility whether it's indoor sports complex or an indoor pool or anything like that but part of it you know one would one would bring additional revenues the other option wouldn't be relatable but it would still bring additional recreational facilities while still saving the cost of the building. So it would still have an impact on on the residents either way. Both of them would be positive, but it might also make sense to just find out if there's even any interest. I mean, like you said, YMCA said no years ago, that was years ago. Would somebody like Hawaii be interested? Is there even some sort of corporation or for-profit entity that might even be willing to locate here, right? You know, because if it would be hard for the taxpayers
024to vote on something and you might get a large discrepancy in terms of the answer depending on either is there a cost or is there a revenue like what what would be the benefit in addition to the obvious recreational facilities if you do the one and I think it's one to determine that because I think either one of those avenues would be acceptable but in the end we might only have one or two options >> and it would be interesting to find out what you could do. you know, I I would say you might try to give the building away as long as you can restrict the fields and avoid future costs because somebody whether it's a nonprofit, we'll have to tear that building down as you mentioned, it's not going to be salvaged. Um,
025and in order for somebody to find it feasible to invest that kind of money, it's not likely that they're going to be willing to pay for a building that they then have to tear down. So the benefit would be save the costs, possibly put it on the tax roll, save the fields, and bring in either recreational activities or ratables, one or the other. >> That mean you had your your hand up a second. >> Yeah, I'll pass to later, Tom. I think I like what >> and ultimately I think I I was agreeable to the meeting and I and I appreciate I think we've come a long way. I know the comment was made about c previous council members and board of ed members not really getting along and I think it was probably worse
026than the way it was depicted but uh certainly I've always worked towards having some communication with board and I appreciate I want to thank everybody for for even being here um but at the end of the day the board of ed owns the property so before we go ahead and try to make plans or you know I I want to hear firsthand from the board of education what is you know what are you willing to do with it you know what your ideas I know Jim we're on the subcommittee together and I know we've thrown ideas around and some of them are being mentioned here even from the public but ultimately I like to see what the interest of the board of ed is with the property um so that we know you know I
027know where we stand as a council if there's even a possibility of using it so >> okay Mike you had your hand up >> yeah thank you Mr. pretty I'd just like to remind the board of ed as I'm sure you all well know that uh you all are not under the same restrictions as the the highlands act as the deep the township is. So, you know, one thing to keep at the forefront is no matter whether it's a sports complex or a future ratable, um, you know, going into proceeding in that direction, you know, be sure that before you turn over ownership, you get whatever, you know, facilities or whether it's a septic kind of stuff or water, whatever needs to be done that maybe the Highlands won't allow for a ratable or won't
028allow a sports complex to do without your exemption. >> Yeah. >> Uh just that our septic is on the other side of Makipin Road and an MUA easement backs up to that lot. So technically I guess if if the capac they had capacity at that plan we could probably hook into it. I don't know what the capacity of that plan is. That's something. But those you know that option is there >> right? Um, Ketina. >> Well, well, I'm thinking also what I neglected to say and that kind of jar my memory is is that I don't believe either of the options, whether it's the for-p profofit raidable or the the um recreational facility would have to come at a cost to the township taxpayers. While I agree that the board of ed is obviously exempt
029from the highlands, if we want to de-restrict those fields, parking is already not abundant. We've got a 22,000t footprint. you don't need the exemptions of the board of ed because you're not going to make that building any bigger than it is because if you do, you either lose the fields or use parking and you can't lose either one of them. So again, I don't feel like and some of the comments floating around and again I realize they're just floating around was you know well you know the board of ed should do this or we should put the money in and you know let's just put in an $8 million b this is not my this is not my this is rumors going out. My opinion is is short of figuring out what might be feasible.
030It's not going to come in. So I don't see >> and and that you leading into what I was going to say next was we have one field there now. Um, if we were to make a sports complex, the the parking that you would need for the existing field and another field only gives us the possibility of one more field. And we're limited to that because the field in the back is probably 10 to 12 feet lower in elevation than the front of that building. So when you say sports complex, it's it's it's maybe one more field. Now, if we were go to go for a ratable, we would have to, and Joe, our attorney can confirm this, if we would have to put it out to bid if we're looking to put it on
031on a tax roles as ratable, but a not for profofit such as the Boys and Girls Club or the YMCA, since they're a not for-p profofit, we don't need to go out to bid and do that. So, that to me is the best of both worlds if we can convince. And I I got to believe that a study from 25 years ago >> is a lot different than what they would find today. >> Maybe obsolete. Yeah. >> I would I would think so. >> I would think so. >> When I mentioned recreational facility, just in my mind, and obviously I'm only one opinion, but I wasn't actually thinking additional fields. I was thinking protect the fields that are there. >> Oh, absolutely. be an indoor facility whether it's a a pool or indoor sports complex
032depending on because you could do a second story 22,000 footprint but you could go up as long as you have the septic capacity and everything else >> um and and again sufficient parking it's going to be an issue >> yep go >> uh my feelings coming into the meeting were almost perfectly described by Mr. Garcia um it would have the benefit of dealing with the building without the cost to the taxpayers in whatever budget. Uh and on top of that I I'm sure that the CASA committee would love uh something some kind of facility that provided uh a place for youth to go and be active and do things and have a good influence and to you know help uh you know drug prevention and such. So, I I think that there's nothing bad about
033those things. Naturally, if you can't find one of those um facilities to come in, if we could find a hospital maybe to open a an urgent care or something like that, that would also benefit the community. I think it was Mr. Foody's idea a while ago. >> And uh but you know, that's my line of thinking on this is try and prevent uh taxpayer burden while getting a benefit for the community. Um, and it seems to me that the idea of a Y is probably the most likely possibility there. >> I mean, you know, taking taking into consideration the size of the community, the fact that we're spread out over such a large area. It's pretty centrally located. Um, sports complex, we just don't have the land to do something large. I can think of
034only one spot and I don't even know if we could do it there. >> Jungle Habitat. >> No, no, no, no, no. It's something that's centrally located, but uh >> you know, >> we we we need to do something with that building. We can't just let it sit there and slowly decay. I think a YMCA is a logical choice. I had sent an email out to the headquarters out in Chicago. They said we should contact if there is an interest that we should contact one of the local YMCA's and they'll they'll determine whether or not there's a need. I think given the current conditions, I think we could easily convince them that there's a need. Now, we would have people from West Milford, the seniors would be able to use that facility. Then you're going
035to get people from Ringwood and Waniku and Butler and Kennelon. I think even coming up here, Vernon, Oakidge, Jefferson. I think that it's a it's a good spot that >> for all of us. I think it would really greatly benefit the town. I'll get you next, Mike. Go ahead, Debbie. Um, I also think that if we do something along those lines, I'm thinking of the special needs population and if we have a facility of that, you know, that we could bring the kids in, if there's a swimming pool, we could do a Special Olympic swimming team. Um, there could be other activities that the kids can get involved in to uh co-mingle with their, you know, gened peers. So, I think, you know, we can take hopefully the best of both both worlds and bring
036it into one place. It would also benefit our elderly community. >> Oh, absolutely. >> Yeah, Mike. >> No, just everything you guys are saying is great and I really appreciate the line of thinking and the care that you're putting into it. Um, just that you know what I would hope to see um or just as an option um certainly the YMCA or something like that would be perfect. Would it be an option or would it be possible for when you get to that stage to also reach out to say a Chilton or one of these larger hospitals and see if there was interest interest at all in an urgent care or some sort of medical >> wing or facility even? I mean >> we we probably could but then we wouldn't be able to offer
037it then it would have to go out to bid. >> Okay. >> Um so um Ada I'll let me get to you after Mr. side of which he had his hand up before. Go ahead. Welcome. >> So, in terms of the pool aquatic center or the sports complex, it it sounds to me and it worries me that this is still remain in the board of education's hands somehow that we'd be leasing to a YMCA or nonprofit this building and still down the road we'll hit a quagmire with the Hillrest building. >> So, I just gone They'll have to raise They'll have to raise it. >> They don't have to raise it. >> As far as the hospital coming in, you'll never get that not having the sports field in the back because I live a
038quarter mile away and I could tell when West Milford's winning >> and I like >> she's not laughing by any >> No, I like it. >> Okay. I I think because we all seem to be on the same page obviously not only were the president saying it but we've all had similar thoughts over all the years and now we're presented with this opportunity but and I would have to defer to to your attorney as to can you just is it seek interest or could you request proposals but to me it would be not only like the YMCA but like the spa 23 because maybe the nonprofit won't take it but maybe the for-profit that offers the same kind of services would be willing to do it and again you'd have to make it clear we
039need to deed restrict the feels and you would have to take care of building whatever facility it is that you want, getting the permits and everything else. With regard to what Will said, you know, I hadn't personally thought of the the long-term lease because I I do think of like we just want to be done with that building, which is why I said even if you had to sell it for either almost nothing or even donate it with the deed restriction of the fields, then again, it's off the taxpayers's backs and it brings in either ratables or recreational facilities or public while still saving those fields. And it takes all those worries of eventually even if they build a brand new building 30 years from now it's going to be an old building too, >>
040you know, and it just takes off of your hands. >> If, you know, long-term lease and and really the standard is a 99-year lease. Um, when you talk long long-term leasing, um, to me that would make the most sense because if you give them a great deal on the on the lease to be begin with knowing that they're going to have to do the cleanup, the renovations, and you got to make it worth their while to to come into our community. And >> what's what's that? >> That's why you give it to them. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's why you you let them have it for next to nothing. Um and and and the fact that it's a not for profofit, you know, makes it easy for us to be able to do that. So, I
041mean, that's, you know, and I had a conversation with Chris about this. That's kind of makes like the most sense. And I've spoken with Lou, too, and and Pete. It just kind of makes the the most sense. It utilizes it utilizes, you know, that building which the community already paid for >> For the community. So for for for me, I think it's kind of a no-brainer. And if we can kind of keep that structural integrity of the building, it kind of it lends lends a a lot more than just having a YMCA that it's it then becomes like a a town landmark as well. Um, go ahead. >> I don't want to be repetitive. I think we we are actually all very much on the same page, but um I think another benefit of bringing
042in something like a YMCA. You know, we keep saying so much about these kids, but I like that this is it's magnified by offering the senior something. I have a 90-year-old grandmother that lives with us and doesn't have a whole lot to do. Something like that would offer her a lot of opportunity. Um I think one of the other interesting pieces of it is we have so many empty buildings around town that we're struggling to get ratables that want to come in like the Acme and other buildings. And so I feel like we're we're struggling in that area. I know that property is a whole different story, but I think it also if we are able to do something like that, it's keeping families in town. It's keeping the kids in the town and it
043could have residual overflow to other businesses and restaurants and things in town. So we basically drive, you know, I have young kids. We're on the fields, you know, but we're traveling all over the place for almost everything else. And so I think this is another thing to keep people in town. >> May also help property values a little bit. >> Right. That was the whole I think I I mean I agree with what you're saying but when we say recreational facilities especially if it's a pool type facility that absolutely benefits every age group and that's why I mentioned spa 23 because I know a lot of seniors go down to 23 >> and it's used for physical therapy it's used for exercise it's easy on your bones >> it's non-resistant training and of course for
044the youth yes they would have teens and things like that but it's just it's for every age group >> and and again if if we can't just offer to a spot 23 they'd have to bid on and if other people bid them out then we're >> I as long as it's for a purpose and I don't know if we could >> Joe could we restrict the the the use of that building to somebody as a a forprofit. >> No, you can't restrict it. The the process would be if it was a nonprofit hospital or YMCA, we can give them the property. We don't have the issue with what will was saying as you know having maintenance upkeep. If we wanted to give it to a spa 23 or any business really, we would have to
045first declare it unusable for school purposes and then we have to put together an application package to the uh commissioner of education which includes an appraisal and uh some architectural issues and a legal opinion. So there's some cost involved there. It's not that much. Uh, and then we would get the approval to sell the building and then we'd have to put out a bid package so that the highest bidder who comes in would get the building assuming it's at a minimum amount, but it's not very much. So spot 23 could win the bid and they can get that if we were to do that, but so could a 7-Eleven putting aside any planning issues. Um, but if they wanted that land for some reason, anybody who would bid on it would get it. Could you
046just clarify when you you made a statement about the deed restriction, could you clarify on either situation what what the possibilities would be? >> We could put a deed restriction on it for keeping those fields. >> Oh, I thought I heard you say >> we can't put a use restriction on it for the building that or the the the company or whoever that comes in. Um, unless we give it to a nonprofit entity who we know what they're going to do with it, right? >> Once it goes out to bid, it's it's >> it's pretty much an open season. I I could put a bid on it and buy it myself if I wanted to. Anybody could. >> So, >> can you put it to bid with a specific restriction on it? >> So, everybody's
047bidding on the same restriction. >> Yes, if you advertised it correctly, but you can't put a use restriction on it for a what the profit making industry would be. You would have to accept the bid, >> but we could we could >> but you could put a deed restriction and regard to the fields. >> Yes, absolutely. >> We can't determine what's what would win the bid. >> Correct. Okay. >> Um, just one other question. Could Could you actually I think you mentioned you could offer it to a hospital if that's >> a nonprofit hospital right so I don't I don't know what Chilton is or or anybody else but for >> so that's for profit but if >> there are some nonprofit hospitals you can offer to them you can offer to the Y you
048can offer to the Boy Scouts whoever >> well it's interesting you know I I don't know but you know the way the building is currently formatted um maybe there's a little section you know where you can invite a nonprofit profit on one little corner, you know, with with your YMCA, you know, constituents, uh, you know, input or or is it? >> Well, it's just like a little section of it maybe, you know, if if you wanted to have medical services right there at the Y, you know, that would would maybe come in handy. >> Yeah, schools have done that. They've leased out portions of their buildings to uh urgent care and things like that. It's doable. >> Um, so that's another option if we wanted to do it. >> I I have a question. one.
049Will had his hand up on me one second. >> Oh, >> you you had your ladies first. Okay. >> Um >> what a gentleman. >> There's property next door to right next to Hillrest. >> Is that privately owned or is that ours? >> Across the street from Ronnie. >> That's private. >> That is private. >> Yeah, that's privately owned. >> I can't remember the name of that company, but it's privately owned >> on the other side of Ronnie. What are you? >> Yeah. across the street from basically across the street from Hill. >> Okay. I'm sorry. >> The good part is I have to tell you all if you vote yes on selling the MUA, >> your capacity down there with Suez will get up. >> Okay. >> It'll open up possibilities. >> Yeah. >>
050So maybe for the attorney, what would be the next step? Because I think we're all on the same page. I think everybody's liking the idea. The only way to guarantee you could stay a sports complex basically whether it's aquatic or other indoor would be not to go to bid in for profit. You'd have to do nonprofit. So would the first step just be >> the first step is to exactly is to reach out like uh Jim has already done to some places u maybe we can come up with a list of other ones that we can also reach out to and see who's interested. Um, and then the next step would be for basically for the board to decide what they want to do with the property and if they wanted to just had some
051interest and and we would have to do an agreement and get the property, you know, approved by the commissioner, but that's much easier than going out for a bid from a for-profit entity. It would be much quicker. >> No, no, go ahead. >> Can you put out like just an like an RFI? >> Yeah. Yeah, you can do that. Just see who's interested. and see what input you can get number five and then make a decision from there. >> Yeah. >> So I guess my question would be and it's relevant to that question too also would be I I'm I don't want to assume but uh the board of ed would be administering this this request for interest or um and also I don't want to assume that there will be communication. I definitely want
052to encourage communication between our administrator and Miss Francisco certainly um I we've had discussions in the past about possibly getting Chilton or these other facilities in here. So, she may already have records or certainly recollections of conversations and things that may help. >> Yeah, anything would help. I mean, it's there's it's no different than going to the community with the survey and asking what people want as well. So, >> uh >> my biggest concern with the board getting the the building back was the fact that in couple months time we're going we're going to be paying utility bills and I was I was curious if Mr. Bagley or anybody in the administration would be able to put together an idea for the board of how much just keeping the building at a minimum would cost
053because in my opinion anything over a dollar all of a sudden starts siphoning from our students and I don't like the idea of having this building. The quicker that we get it out of our hands the better. >> Yeah. Yeah, I I just want to say we will start to incur utility costs. Um this is not a quick process. This is going to take a few months at least to get the approval. So it's already October. By the time this happens, it's going to be past the winter. So we're going to have those costs in the winter to keep the building, >> right? >> Um also, I honestly don't share everybody's opinion about the nonprofit route. I don't like the idea. Anything I feel in my history as a West Milford resident that anything that
054has been leased or sold for a dollar has always backfired in the township space. And honestly, when somebody says, "Let's give it away for a dollar," I cringe. So, wanted to share that opinion. And uh yeah, I have to reiterate. I think that trying to prepare this to sell this for a for-profit organization is our best bet for this township. >> You know, that's a good point that you make because in my experience on the council, um the dollar lease, there's like no ownership there. You know, there's you're no buying there's no money out of their out their pocket as far as the purchase of the property or whatever. So, seems to tends to be a negative towards the whole relationship. At least it has in the past, it seems like. >> Yeah. But they're
055going to have to improve the building. >> Yeah, they will. They will. Yeah. >> You know, if they if if they get something at no cost, >> like a YMCA, >> right? Yeah. You want to try to incentivize it. No, >> you want you want to make that an incentive. And if we go the forprofit route, you know, we can look forward. You're you're worried about a dollar taken away. Think of the hundreds of thousands of dollars we'll have to do in baitment costs in order to get rid of that building. You're talking almost a million dollars. I mean you 3/4 of a million dollars in abatement costs alone >> but that's something that we can get back with the sale. >> Not necessarily. >> No, because whoever buys it is going to have to
056deal with that. >> And then it falls apart is how I would to find out who would be interested because >> in my my opinion realistically we all know as somebody pointed out we have a lot of empty buildings in town. Realistically, demographically, it's going to be tough to entice anybody to come in if they have to pay a couple million to buy a building and then seven million to build something new. It's too costly given what they can get. That's why in my opinion, I wasn't talking Lisa, I was I was talking about giving it because we need to give them an incentive to come here, correct? >> And, you know, and build something that this community can want to support. And if they have to buy it first only to knock it down
057and dump five to eight to10 million into it to make it the complex that we want it to be, we don't have the demographics to support that kind of cost factor. I don't think we're going to be successful in that regard. That's not to say we start by saying, "Oh, we'll give it to you." Start by asking if there's interest in coming into town and what would it take to get them here. When it comes to the utilities, they were running the township for over $100,000 a year. That was when it was occupied. You could obviously lower that because you wouldn't have it occupied. You could set at minimums. My opinion, if it's otherwise vacant, and we know we're not going to use it, and we're going to tear it down, drain the pipes, shut
058everything down, and don't pay a dime for it. Why would you? >> Okay, two things. One, first a comment, and then I have a question for Joe. Um, first, one of the comments is I I've been raising my hand to make kind of the point Mr. Foody made about the abatement cost of the property. I I read the feasibility study because the material is in there. It's going to be a very high cost on getting rid of that building. So, in my view, the best course of action is to get somebody else to do that for us. >> Okay. >> That having been said, you know, there's been talk about, oh, well, we should just raise the building and put in a field. Well, I don't think those folks really understand how much that would
059actually cost for a field. Okay, we have other fields that we could make, you know, usable for a lot less expense um other areas in town. Um, so that having been said, I'd like to ask Joe a question. Is if we were to put it up for bid, could we put a requirement on it that the building would be raised within a certain period of time so that we, you know, we we wouldn't auction. My concern is that you auction it off and then somebody says, "Wow, this is kind of more than we thought." and we they just leave the building to rot. And that would be even worse than what we have now is is a building that's actually somewhat usable. >> My my thinking is no because once you're selling the building, you're
060selling the building. >> Um but I'll let you know. I'll look into it, but I'm I'm going to tell you. >> I mean, that could be >> Well, there are local ordinances and planning board issues as well, obviously. Uh and once it's out of our control, the person who buys it is subject to those. Um >> well, real estate contracts do have conditions that survive closing of title on >> and they do absolutely >> recapture clause like recapture clause if the not >> if it's not if it's not done by a certain period of time, it's not raised at least by a certain period of time, it reverts or something like that. >> I'll look into it. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm sorry. Did I hear correctly? So, you're not interested in putting another field
061there? Is that Is that what you're saying? >> We're talking about plans B and C right now, aren't we? >> Okay. No, no, no. I'm just curious because I'd like to know, you know, where everybody's at because >> No, I'm I'm on the same page with Mr. Um but uh I I do think that you know there's always a possibility once we check it out that um we not we may not have interest that works >> and then we have to think about what do we do with it and I I don't think the raise it and put in a field idea is really cost effective for the town >> and so >> cheaper to buy a piece of land and do that. >> So then then that that that goes then to the option
062of selling it off and then you know what are our options when we sell it off. Um, >> that's my thinking is I'm going kind of like step by step. >> Anybody get an estimate on how much it would be to knock that bill down and remediate it? >> The the remediation just the abatement cost estimates. >> We've we've got we've got >> no we have an anticipated cost which is about 640,000 plus professional fees. But >> includes dumping and everything. That's just dumping. >> That's the abatement course. That's cleaning the building. >> That's not getting rid of all the brick and >> without the demo. >> That's without the demolition. >> And and of course, you always know that when they start these projects, they go, "Oh, we didn't know that was in there."
063>> You know, and then the costs go up. So, >> that was a study that you guys had done by a professor. >> Yeah. But January of this year, the cost analysis. >> Yeah. >> That's without the demolition. 600 $40,000. Yep. That's >> no for New Jersey. >> Yep. That's the restatement. >> But I think that I think that that was with the intent of doing a renovation. >> Okay. >> Certainly, if you're going to do an abatement with the intent of demolition, it's a different, >> right? But it's still going to be considerable. >> Well, you still have the demolition. >> You're talking a half a million probably. Anyway, >> I was just a number. That's all. Yeah. >> Terry, you wanted to speak before No, you're good. >> Would the board then take
064action to to see >> I would heating I'm sorry, but the heating thing. You're going to be locked up this year with seals. They can probably leave it at 60°. you don't have any >> going to be using it for the November 7th election and then after election day um we don't see any need unless the only question that I had would be whether or not it might need be needed for an emergency shelter or whether the township now has additional space with the library to accommodate any type of emergency that might happen >> that would have to be addressed still it's still on the plan right now. So, >> well, I yeah, I believe that you still have your generator there. Also, in the CA in case we do have some unforeseen event over
065the next two months, >> that that building would have to be accessible, >> we'd have to have snow removal. As long as we consider it to be an emergency shelter, we'd have to ensure that there snow removal, >> right? That it's accessible. Yeah. Well, >> no, I'm not sure if um it may have been already done, but may you know, the record reflect that Mr. McInness is here and Mr. Drew is here and they're not really up to speed, but you know, the some ideas were thrown around. Pete, you're familiar being on the committee. We've talked about a lot of these issues that the public brought up and some of the members uh the elected officials here brought up. But um basically we I think we all gave consensus that we're going to go out
066for uh requests for interest RFIs to find out who's even interested in coming over and taking over the building whether it be be for profit or nonprofit. Um and then also uh Mrs. Dwire brought up a survey that she had been taking uh and it's pretty much split 50/50 to put it on the tax roles and also to uh have nonprofit uh come in and take care of it. So uh you know what what people want to see there, right? And >> so I'd ask that we we provide the survey maybe on >> on our website or get that survey around. But in the meantime, the board of ed to find out who's interested in the building. I I think maybe you want might want to add a little bit more detail to the survey.
067>> Yes. >> And say >> I haven't seen the survey >> and say, you know, right now the survey is like what do you want to use it for? Okay. >> You were you were you should have had a copy of >> uh it doesn't take into account any of the it doesn't give any any of the cost any >> it's in a perfect world kind of survey. Okay. Where if we had all the money we wanted to do, what would you want to do with it? That's the survey right now. it's doesn't take into account the costs and the impact on the taxpayer and things like that. I think you need to adjust the survey a little bit to get something that's more realistic. >> But that's why I think you need to get
068the request for information first to see what who who and what entities are interested because that would then define what cost if any and what purpose it could be serving the community and then they can have an opinion because they have information. Right now it's what do you want to see done with it? >> Yeah. >> Right. We have to see what our options >> we have to find out what our options are. I have a question about about something that was >> opposed to field test. >> I have a question about something that was in the survey. Somebody made a comment that in 1993 Hillrest was declared a historical landmark. >> No, they were talking they were talking about >> No, they were talking about the museum. >> They were talking about they also
069talked about Hillrest. Yeah, it was it was the museum. >> So, we're talking about the building the museum. >> Go ahead, Mike. >> Uh, thank you. Um, has there been an actual appraisal even with the, you know, the abatement cost and those kind of things? Does does the board of edit happen to have a an actual >> We haven't we haven't done it. We haven't done an appraisal. >> That would be very expensive. >> Would it really? Okay. We'd spend a little bit of money on that. >> Yeah. >> So, I think you have some direction, right? >> Yep. I think so. Any other comments from the uh the council? >> Did you RFI is the first way to go? >> Yes. Absolutely. >> And I think some I I threw it out and you
070know, we we uh I got an I got an answer back that we'd have to get the local wise in to see if there there is. So, I think with the with the board's consent, we can have our uh attorney reach out to the local wise and and get a needs analysis done. Um I think they'll they'll find it different. >> I was going to say we could put out the RFI, but it doesn't limit us from also calling or writing to other entities and just seeing if they're interested, saying we have this property, we have this building. >> Nonprofits, right? >> Yes, nonprofits. I I think it'd be good to do we need a motion >> no that um to >> basically explore any any interest in nonprofits >> need a motion for that
071>> I think I think he was already brought up the answer >> I just looked at the nonprofit to the islands >> what's that barber >> nonprofit has to apply to the high >> yeah you'd have to put an advertisement out that we're we're looking for comments on the usage of this building and people who are interested in And then it would we would send a letter from either my office or just from Barbara um basically to those people and that you that we all come up with you know YMCA's and nonprofit hospitals and whoever else that we can think of. It >> it would be advantageous um I think to whoever we do this with for us to do a lease because that keeps then the board of ed >> in the loop >>
072and we're exempt from the highlight. >> So we could make it easier. Well, we should put that in >> to anybody coming in that we they would not have the same restrictions as we have. >> You know that they would they would they would have I'm sorry. They would have the same restrictions as as the board of ed has. >> It would be an incentive for somebody to come in because it would have save them trouble >> unless we were to sell the building. >> Unless we sell it outright, then that's different. But if we did a long-term lease, >> that's different. >> We could we could help whoever it is out. >> You can do lease with option to buy. >> Yeah, you could do you could do that. You can do that >>
073in a 100 years. You might might be loving for that 100 years to be up to have such a nice facility perhaps. So >> it could be a move. And I and I think that if if we could get a Y in there, I mean, you know, for the for the board at least, I would want to have it negotiated that our swim team would get free use of that. And at the same time, the police department would get free use of the pool as well to do their practice diving when you know the research and rescues kind of stuff because from what I understand now, they they either go to Mountain Lakes or one of the other YMCA's to do their their their practice diving. So, um >> Yeah. No, I think it I
074think it's it's a win-win. I I don't and I and I can't I can't see the YMCA not seeing that there's a need for it. I mean, that's that's me, but you know, I'm trying to be uh optimistic, too. So >> So, what kind of time frame do you think realistically we could be looking at if um if I guess your office or you'll be handling uh the um RFIs, >> when would you expect us to maybe get some information? I'd have to work with Barbara to come up with some >> minimal specs and then we'd have to put it out and have a time for response. It's going to be at least I'd say I'd say six weeks to two months. Yeah. >> Just for that. And then there are going to be some
075costs after that. There we will have to do an appraisal no matter what. >> Um but at that point then we'll deal with it. >> So >> thank you. >> Well, no, >> I think the conversation's pretty much over. I just want to get one last point out that was uh back to Miss Francisco's point about the emergency sheltering. Uh many residents came up to me and they brought up their Hurricane Sandy experience, especially not having a shower. So just as throwing it out there to the council that maybe in the future there's a shower truck or something that will be brought to a fire department or just something structured in that high school. >> High school. >> Yeah, we did have showers. >> And you got to remember too it was Sandy and I
076I remember I was at Hillrest a lot and you did have a few spurts where you had like more people than the rest of the time but we did have the overflow going to the high school. do one more question. >> Uh, it was my understanding that the minimum standards for the building in terms of utilities made it so we couldn't just drain the pipes and be done. >> Is that correct? >> What do you mean drain the pipes and be done? Like close it up for the winter. >> Completely winterize the building. >> We could winterize the building. It just has to be done the right way. Um, you have to keep the heat at like 55, I think it is. Uh, and there's some other standards, but it it's we can winterize the
077building and close it up for the year. >> Right. You can't just shut it down. >> Correct. There are Look, there are always going to be a little bit of cost to that. We have to plow the no matter what. Um, and some other issues to have access to the emergency for emergency vehicles if there was a fire or something. And we have to have the heat on so that the pipes don't freeze even if they're drained. Um, but it's not much. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Aiden, >> before you finish, I have a question about the survey. >> Okay. because this has been bothering me for the two weeks that we've had it in our possession. >> Who printed this? Who published it? >> Well, that was we put we had that on our
078website, >> right? >> And it was a survey that was created in the district and then we had um >> was down for a month, right? >> We had Yeah. Was up for quite a while. We had it on the um the sign on Highlander Drive asking people to participate. We did honey wells. I think there was even um something in the in the local newspaper. >> Who published it? >> You didn't just find out from >> who printed it? >> You mean the results? >> The results. >> Who just printed it from? >> Well, I find something extremely offensive on page one and on page six. And I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about. >> That's offensive >> because there's a key, and I'm not good with computers. There's a key called
079a star key that you do F star E D. >> I I don't know if we could change any of the response on the service wasn't. >> Well, what this is telling me that you have somebody out there in the world >> who is needs help. But the worst part is the moment you put this >> the moment you put this out to the public. >> This is the governing body. All of us. >> It's in a dictionary. >> I don't care. It's not used with the third word in there. >> I got to tell you though, it's funny that you >> It hasn't It hasn't been put out to the public. public has seen it >> from the results. >> The public has seen it because the first one that before I got this
080I was told by someone that's why I kept asking are they ever going to give us anything before this meeting comes up. I asked four weeks ago we received this two weeks ago. I already knew what was on that page because the public told me about it. So there's the I'm not blaming the public. That person number four, apparently four people, which is probably mom, dad, and two kids who one person signed in all four. That person has a troubled background. I'm saying what you people have published. There is a star key. You don't have to use that kind of language in a public document. This is a public document. You just brought it out here in the public, too. >> Come on, people. >> You can read those words. >> That was >> Well,
081I'd like to thank the board of ed inviting us, including us in this Hillrest discussion. >> Absolutely. >> And I I don't believe that we do have any friction between the two government bodies. And I look forward to future meetings. I thank you much. >> We're going to do one more petitions and requests, but before we get to that, >> I would like to I'll just I I'll plant a seed right now. I think that these two go the two bodies should get together and we should be having that same kind of sit down >> more often not only in in with regards to this but I think it's you know >> it's Wallace who's been sitting there for 20 years with neither governing body doing either thing and it might be a good time
082that we all we just finally sit down and and and start to do something with that in con in conjunction with the friends of Wallish But look at what that that's a gift to the town from the Wallish brothers. They had a a little bit of a vision as far as open space, recreation, and and education. And I think that the two bodies um could do something could do something really nice with that property for the community >> and and at one point or another um when we get done with our energy audit and whatever you guys do, we might be able to do some solar there. Um, and you know, we're we're both the community is restricted as far as the Highlands Act goes, you know, and any way that we could take advantage
083of it, I think we should. And that's I think it can be educational for the kids, it can be for open space, it can save us money. There's a lot of things. So, I I would hope that in the future that we could sit down or just future boards and council sit down and and work this out. I think I think >> it benefits the residents and >> Yep. Yep. >> Yep. I agree. So, um I I am going to Bob give you the opportunity. I'm going to have another petitions and request. So um petitioners uh who wish to speak prior well um will be allowed 5 minutes for each petitioner for a period of 30 minutes and then time permitting other petitions and requests limited to 5 minutes per petitioner will be allowed until
084the 30 minutes period transpires. Uh petitioner I can skip that. All speakers are asked to give their full name, spell their last name and provide their address. Speakers may not use the names of students for during petitions and requests. Um, is there anybody who would like to speak? I I was I was hoping so. Bob, come on. Giving you the opportunity. >> Hi, Bob Nicholson, 20 Road. Again, uh, now I have a little idea what's on your mind. You know, do that. Um the YMCA seems to be a very popular term, but uh I don't know if you're aware they they've done a major expansion, a new major and they just spent a lot of money. So I I I you know, I mean hopefully league we can reach out to them. It would be
085great. And I think they're going to want more than just putting a pool in. Um they're going to probably want weightlifting. I I belong to the YMCA. My family does. And it's not free either. And that's another thing that you're going to have to tell the residents, the seniors are going to have to pay a membership. And then the fees are probably comparable to Bubbling Springs, what those fees are, hundred and some odd dollars a year. And also now you're talking about the half the school swim team to use it, the police to use it. That's going to be a hard sell to people to want to use it that can't use it, you know? I mean, just I'm not trying to be negative thing. I'm trying to be proactive to have the whole thing.
086Uh Newton just did a uh voter approval for an expansion on the school was $18 million to to redo a school, a bond. Uh it was, you know, it was uh voted down 5 to one, but it would have cost the taxpayer 300 and some odd dollars for 20 years. >> Now, last year when we were having budget meetings, I think Councilman Wagner and Signarino and McInness said if we our taxes went up $1, people would not be able to afford to live here. So that concerns me as a resident because if people can't afford to live here with tax increases, what are we going to do? Also, what happens if the YMCA is not interested or ch or any hospital or anybody happens? How long are you going to sit on the building? Have
087you took a long-term plan? I mean, it's great. It'd be great if they called up tomorrow and said, "Yeah, we want to move in, but what are you going to do if this sits there for three years, four years?" you know, those are things that I think everybody needs to think about, you know, to put the whole thing um you know, to do that. And like um I think you said the only thing valuable in there was the furnace and the generator. I believe the township put that in there. >> Not the boiler. I think we put the generator. The generator. >> We put the generator. Well, anyway, it was replaced recently, you know, while the township was leasing it. So, I'm just trying to figure I'm not trying to be skeptical, but why is
088the town getting involved in something they don't own, you know? I mean, I love you all, but I think, you know, you should put it out to bit. That's great. Um, do what you're going to do with it. That's even better. So, anyway, that that's what I just wanted to say. Um, yes, by all means, we need to keep the fields. That's that's a given, you know, is a no-brainer and hopefully people will will do that and hopefully uh the YMCA will be want to expand. There's a Raet Ball 23 like you said down in um Pmpton Plains. Again, it's memberships. So whether it's forprofit, nonprofit, they're going to be charging fees and that's going to be the main main stay whether people are going to be able to use it. It's great to have
089a pool, but if you can't afford $150 a year to swim in it, you know, or a pool or rack or weightlifting or or whatever it is, you know. So, those are things to consider. And what would be the cost uh worst case scenario if you just raise the building? You got to just number like Will said, get rid of it, dump it, you know, and then have the land. I mean, it may be cheaper in the long run for us to to consider that on things. Anyway, thank you. I just wanted to bring it out to people and, you know, so we could have a fair discussion and not drive anything hastily because again, it's money. >> Thank Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um, Mr. Okay. Uh, Robert Nolan, still at One Winding
090Way, 36 years. Um, I would just caution the board with, um, when you're reaching out to a a nonprofit hospital. Uh, I know the Valley Hospital is nonprofit and I know that because my wife works there and I've been a patient there a couple of times. Uh, have a new hip thanks to the hospital. Um, but there's a lot of consolidation going on in the medical industry and so the a nonprofit hospital now might not be a nonprofit hospital three, four, five years down the road. So, just kind of uh keep that in mind. And um uh and there was some concern about a 99-year lease. I would just uh uh point out to the council that in 1759, Arthur Guinness signed a 10,000year lease for a piece of property in Dublin, Ireland, where the
091Guinness Brewery is. So, still has 9,750 years to run. So, thank you all. >> That's reassuring. It'll be around for a while. >> Go ahead, sir. Joe Cassella 83 Huer Road. Um I just want to say thank you. It seems like uh when I came in here u us at Little League were very nervous about losing that field. U just in truth we have over 500 kids that signed up last year. Our numbers were a little bit lower but they're starting to increase again. Um and thank you. I know you support those fields back there. Um just so you know little league in this town is totally self-sufficient. We raise money through fun our fundraiser and registrations. Um Mr. Mr. Garcia mentioned we just spent $7,000 to have the field redone, all new turf. Uh
092we pay for the lights back there. Um everything we do, our opening day is April 28th. It's all on us. We don't ask for a dime from the town. So, and we will continue to do so. Um so, I just want to thank you for your support. Um but please keep those 500 so kids in your in mind when we're doing uh what what we're going to do with this building. All right. Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else wish to speak? Seeing none, like to close petitions and requests. Second. >> All in favor? >> Any opposed? >> Okay. Um, it is 8:10 and uh I'm going to make a motion to >> I'm sorry. Might I just ask the governing body for one thing? Um, >> for the minutes Barbara and
093I have spoken. Would the governing body would the township council be amanable to us having Barbara do the minutes and submitting them for your consideration? >> Sure. >> Thank you. No problem. >> Okay. Thanks, Councilman. All right. I'll make the motion that we will adjourn the meeting at 8:11. >> Second. >> Uh, all in favor? >> Any opposed? >> Okay, the meeting is officially adjourned. Thank you everyone.