Crete Monee School District 201u Board Meeting 8/17/21

001Please. Okay. Brown is here. Mrs. Galbreth here. Dr. Hall here. Mr. Sales here. Mrs. Walters here. Vice President RP here. President Albert here. Please rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. And Miss RP, would you please read the mission statement? Sure. Our mission is to empower each student to positively impact the world for a bright new future. Thank you. So, we do have some public comment tonight. Um, couple, we have three in person and then two uh that came in via email. So, we'll do the excuse me, do the inperson first. First up is Kathy Seaffort. Topic is heat concerns. Hi everyone. Um I'm actually

002reading this comment on behalf of Linda Greenwood who's a teacher at CSK and our elementary teachers are at back to school night this evening. So that's why I'm here speaking on her behalf. Dear CM 2011U school board members and administrators, I have been an early educator in our district for 17 years. During this time, I have never worked in a building with air conditioning. I have adjusted my wardrobe yearly to comply with the district dress code, yet try to remain cool at the same time. I bring ice and a cooler to my classroom, much like our construction workers do, to keep beverages and a cold cloth. The time has come to add air conditioning to our classrooms. While I know you are aware it is warm because you've stepped outside, I do not think you

003realize how warm our classrooms truly are. Today, my thermostat said it was 96° with a feels like temperature of 106° due to the humidity. Although a thermostat in the classroom says 82 degrees, it does not factor in the humidity level or the feels like temperature. Being a teacher of young children is a physically demanding job, especially at the beginning of the year. Our students are unable to do most things independently at the beginning of the year. Therefore, teachers are walking around constantly in order to assist them. In a classroom of 25 students, that is a lot of movement. In our age of technology and tracking steps, I usually have 12 to 15,000 steps by the end of the school day. The cooling areas in schools are often at opposite ends of the building. Imagine gathering

004materials for 25 5-year-olds, getting them all in line, walking to the opposite end of a hot building, transitioning them into some type of activity, and then repeating the process to go back to the hot classroom. Sounds exhausting. It is for kids and the teachers. Plus, it is a huge disruption to the continuity of teaching and learning and acclimating students to the school and school environment. Water and popsicles are not helpful. messy dripping popsicles that the classroom teacher must help students clean up and water that gets warm within 20 minutes. I'm not going to discuss masks as a negative because I realize the science behind them and the necessity of them to be able to attend school in person. However, masks add another level of heat related concerns. We add fans to the classroom to circulate

005air which adds to the normal noise level of the classroom. Will I be able to hear them if they're in distress? Thank you for your time. I hope you will consider some changes soon for the health health and safety of students and staff. Sincerely, Linda Greenwood, kindergarten CSK. Thank you. Next up is Sarah Valerio. Topic is also key. Good evening. Um I like Kathy am reading a comment from teachers at CIT Elementary since they have back to school night and can be not can cannot be here. Our district promotes future forward thinking and equity. Unfortunately, there are inequities among the schools within our district. We are not the unified equitable district we need to be. It is 2021 and several of our buildings have no air conditioning, no working water fountains, and one bottle filling

006station to service the entire staff and student body. These buildings house some of the district's youngest and most vulnerable students. How can we have equity when a student attending one of our district schools is learning in a classroom with a temperature of 72 degrees while students in other elementary buildings are struggling to learn in a classroom that is 90°? We are told to warn parents of the heat so they may bring a water bottle and dress their students accordingly. We are told that we can keep the lights off, teach with them sitting on the floor, keep the blinds drawn, and encourage them to drink more water. We are thankful that refreshing cool water will be available, those strategically placed water coolers throughout our building. Last year, due to COVID restrictions, the coolers were not available.

007Encouraging students to drink more leads to loss of instructional time as they are continuously filling their bottle at one of the accessible stations in the school and use the bathroom repeatedly because they are drinking more water. Excuse me. More instructional time is lost when students become sleepy, distracted, or feel ill in the excessive heat. How are we to keep students engaged in learning when the heat is telling them to take a nap? What do you tell the kid who feels sick because of the heat? What do you tell the kids when you, the teacher, is sick from the heat? According to the plans that have been shared with us, we get fans. Only 15 though, not enough for the entire building. One, please let that sink in. How are we to cool an entire classroom

008with 20 plus students with one fan? What do we do if a classroom does not get a fan? Let us also add on these days when there is no outdoor prep or recess for fear of heat exhaustion. Our real fear is heat exhaustion inside the building. According to the EPA, indoor environments division, students are more sensitive to the effects of heat compared to adults. They have higher physical activity levels, higher core body temperature, higher metabolic rates, larger surfacetobody mass rates, limited ability to communicate thermal sensations, and rapid growth at incomplete development of certain functions. Our building administrators are doing their best to be considerate and create a cooling plan, including water being brought to our rooms and cooling periods in an air conditioned part of the building. We appreciate the concern and care they show,

009but we lose more instructional time to transition back and forth to the cooling area. Some classrooms, due to limited cooling areas, must wait in the heat all day for their 30 to 45 minute cooling in the afternoon. Others get their cooling time in the morning before the heat sets in. and no relief in the afternoon. Classrooms that are connected to the library with no exterior windows get no cooling breaks. These interior rooms are extremely warm and have no circulation. These classes are asked at times to close their doors because the learners in the library can't hear because of the classroom noise. Once the door is shut, any hope of circulation of cooler air is squashed. What are the teachers at doing to help? We buy our own fans and point them in as many directions

010as possible. We adjust our schedules to get as much curriculum in before the oppressive heat kicks in. We teach in the dark. Yet, it is not enough. Students and staff remain miserable. Students come back from the extremely hot lunchroom with sweat pouring down their faces. As an educator, you know they can't concentrate, so you try to do more handson in the heat. The papers we pass out are curling because of the humidity. Some students just want to put their heads down. Some want to go to the nurse. and some get hot and cranky. Students cannot learn or concentrate in the heat. Temperature in the classrooms range from 80 to 95 degrees after lunch. There are numerous studies that show that learning cannot play take place in the heat like this. So, we would like to

011share a couple examples found on a quick search on this topic. According to PBIS September 2019, extreme heat lowers a child's ability to learn. From the article titled, "When the heat is on, student learning suffers by Professor Joshua Goodman, the findings were clear. Students scored lower when they just experienced a hot school year than when they had just experienced a cool school year. Lowincome and minority students were impacted by heat more than others, and air conditioning in schools all but completely eliminated the impact of heat." In closing, the teachers of Cree Elementary invite you to spend the day with us in the heat. Please be sure to dress professionally, be prepared to learn new material, and do not forget your mask. We look forward to the dismantling of oppressive systems, the removal of barriers, and

012witnessing your commitment to eliminating disparities within the organization. Sincerely, Cree Elementary. Thank you. Next up is um Sarah Mockimer. Did I say that right? Okay. and the topic is air conditioning in schools. Good evening. I'm reading on behalf of Christine Quinland, a fifth grade teacher at Belmor Moral, who could not be here because she's at back to school night. Good evening. I am Christine Quinland, a fifth grade teacher at Bmor Moral. We need air conditioning in all our buildings. I could speak endlessly about how miserable it feels in the building. Tonight, I would like to focus on how it affects our kids. The air quality in the building is so bad the kids with asthma have attacks triggered. The kids with allergies become so inflamed their eyes are red and itchy and they can't concentrate.

013All kids are drained, have headaches, and just don't feel well in the heat. They feel miserable and truly struggle to stay focused and on task. By 100 p.m. all rigorous learning stops because of the heat. I have spent many years working at a day camp in southern Spain through the month of July. Spain is a very dry heat. The temperature is usually in the 90s, but often breaks 100 and has hit record highs of 115. I have a classroom on the second floor of a non-airconditioning on in a non-airconditioned building in Spain. It is hotter at Bmoral in my first board classroom than it is in Spain. Thank you for your time. Thank you. And next uh we have a comment from Ann Rodriguez and the topic is non-airconditioned buildings. Good evening. I'm Anne Rodriguez,

014a CMEA member reading on behalf of another CMEA reading uh member, Andrea Flanigan, who is a fourth grade teacher at Belmoral. Good evening. My name is Andrea Flanigan. I am heading into my 16th year teaching fourth grade at Belmoral Elementary. I am what people in the district like to call a creek lifer. I have had the opportunity to work in other districts and have chosen to stay at Belmoral due to the many amazing people I work with each day. In fact, my own children have heard about all the activities and fun we have in our building and asked me if they too can attend Balmoral. Aside from the fact that we live outside of the community, I have hesitated when my own children have expressed they want to attend my school because I would not

015want them to endure August, September, and some days in October in our building due to the extreme heat. I have been fortunate enough to remain in the same classroom for 16 years. It is my home away from home. When the temperature rises above 80°, however, it is unbearable. You see, two out of my four walls are covered in carpet. I believe this poor choice was made in the 70s when this was an addition to our building. My windows tucked in the corner of my room face two other brick walls and we do not get any breeze from outside. The upper windows that do not open face the sun. And I'm sure if you've ever sat in a hot car with the engine turned off while you wait for someone with the keys to get in,

016you can imagine what this feels like. In the years that I have spent in my room, I have acquired fans from garage sales. I've taken them off the hands of relatives, and I've brought some rather expensive models at big box stores, hoping that would make a bigger impact. It didn't help. The noise of the fans becomes so loud, I often have a sore throat at the start of the year from trying to speak over them. And I am sure we can agree, fans do not do much to cut down on humidity. They offer the breeze my windows do not provide, but do little else to suppress the discomfort. Extreme heat has been an issue for years in our building and around the district. We have hoped a new building would get built and now we

017see more than ever that may never happen. What concerns me most today is the fact that we are now heading back into this familiar oppressive heat with the added stress and complications of a pandemic fueled by a respiratory virus. We are asking children to wear masks in a room that rout routinely sits at 85 to 95 degrees along with high humidity. We are hopeful that a water bottle, a popsicle, and rot rotating in and out of cooling stations for 30 minutes at a time will help our children get through the day. I also think it is important to note that when we come out of the cooling stations in our masks, the heat is actually 10 times worse when we return to the classroom. I am an allergy and asthma sufferer as many of my

018students as are many of my students. My asthma and allergies are well controlled according to my doctor and yet when I enter my school in the beginning of the year I along with many of my colleagues experience triggered episodes due to the poor air quality and heat. I can imagine many of our students are experiencing similar issues. While our teachers and students are excited to return to learning five days a week, the staff and students of non-airconditioned buildings are also feeling an added sense of dread. Knowing that the heat is going to make our COVID safety protocols even more difficult to follow, our mental and physical health is at risk and learning may be interrupted when we cannot stay in our own classrooms, but rather be forced to get my stu forced to forced to

019cooler spaces. We have such important work to do. I have never been so eager to get my students in front of me and dig into the business of learning. However, I am afraid we are going to lose precious time due to once again battling the heat for the first two months of school. We talk a lot in this district about equity. There is nothing equitable about the vast difference in learning environment from the buildings with good air quality and filter temperature controlled environment versus those without. As a teaching staff, we are expected to bring our students up to grade level and beyond. We are preparing our students for state and local assessments and we are most certainly looking to close any learning gaps from the time spent remote learning. We are asking a lot of

020from our students to give us their undivided attention to meet these goals and when most adults would not be able to do their jobs well in that same environment. I am writing this letter to you be begging you to please work together as a school board and administration to come up with solutions to give our students the environment they deserve. Please explore every option. Bring in thirdparty heating and cooling experts for advice and current estimates. Spend even more time reviewing what can be done with the COVID relief money or other funds to solve this problem once and for all. Additionally, I would like to extend an invite to any members of the board or administration to volunteer in our classroom when we are expecting extreme heat. I say volunteer rather than visit because my students

021and I will still be busy working hard to meet their learning needs and we would love for you too to join us in that work. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, the next comment comes uh via email from Serena Michelus. I hope I've said that last name correctly. Good evening all. I have many concerns about the upcoming school year. The heat in non-airconditioned buildings is stifling under normal circumstances. Students are irritable and learning is near impossible on these days. Add wearing a mask to the mix and it is unbearable. Please do not please do not get me wrong. The mask mandate is needed to try to keep our students and staff safe. Something needs to be done for these buildings without AC. Remote options for hot days for the nonAC buildings would allow learning to continue

022to occur and keep people safe at least from the heat stroke and other issues. There was a word used a lot last year almost as much as asynchronous. That was metrics. So, let's talk metrics, or shall I say lack thereof. Last year, we had metrics deciding when we would return to in-person learning. Granted, in March, we ignored it and returned anyway. This year, we have none. Currently, for Will County, three or four categories for school determination are substantial and one is moderate. Please keep in mind this data is about 7 to 10 days delayed. So, there's a chance by now that they are all substantial. Pre previously, if even one category was substantial, everyone would be home. Ignoring the metrics we followed 98% of last year is mind-boggling to me. I know that some will

023say there's a vaccine now and blah blah blah. I'm sorry to say that as there is a vaccine, many people have chosen not to get it. Many people are unable to get it because of health reasons. Plus, kids 12 and younger are not eligible to get it. That is a very large population of the people we serve. Putting children, faculty, and staff at risk is unnecessary and reckless. I am very disappointed and this makes me feel like I am a glorified babysitter and that's the only reason the kids are returning in person. So, we can watch them after years of teaching. This may just be my last year in the profession. Will it be from retirement? Will it be from COVID? will be to find some place where I am treated as important and that

024my safety matters. Only a matter will only time will tell. I implore the board members and family of our great community to attend a board meeting at one of our non-airconditioned buildings to see how it is for those in the trenches. Then keep in mind it was hotter during the day than when you were there. Thank you for listening and I hope you consider those you serve, the staff and students of this great district. Next public comment is from Megan Krauss. Good evening. My name is Megan Krauss, mother of a new student of Balmoral Elementary. My husband and I would like to address how this board is allowing kindergarteners to walk in to your facilities without some form of acclamation, whether by meet or touring prior to the first day of classes. As I expect

025many parents to know, the first day of school can be daunting for any child and especially for a 5-year-old who knows no one and has not had the opportunity to meet teachers or administrators. I find it quite unfortunate that after 17 months of going through this pandemic, there was no preparation for Balmoral Elementary to create such an event in person or virtual. I can only hope that there is more organization and care in all other aspects of my child's future at Balmoral. Thank you for your time. Okay, thanks for all the public comments. Um, next up is administrative updates and I'll turn it over to Dr. Cara. Thank you. Uh, certainly heat is a topic of concern for all of us. Um, as we're going into the season at the summer, let alone with maskearing.

026Uh our administration has been working tirelessly to look at the options we do have to try to mitigate some of the heat. Um we've looked into we have the the five e-learning days that will be available for the extreme heat days. Um as you heard as well, we've put fans in the buildings and we've also um have put in uh cooling stations and so forth. Um later on today we're going to talk a little bit more about some of our plans moving forward with our facilities in coming up with some air options uh moving forward and I know Mr. Sur is going to be talking about that at length during his presentation um for the budget. So you'll be listening to that. Is there anything that you might want to add either Ken or Jantel?

027Feel free. I'll join. I'll join. Sure. So, um we have been working um in administration to determine if we have to call heat days um how we use um that time outside of the classroom. And so school code allows us to dismiss after five hours of an instructional day is ma maximized. Um it allows us to use emergency days or e-learning days, not both. We have a maximum of five days per year. Uh we also can utilize an interrupted day which means uh we can dismiss after a minimum of students being in school for an hour. However, by law we cannot call that day ahead of time. Uh we can let parents know um that we we will um dismiss have a possible dismissal, but we cannot say um the previous day that we will

028have an interrupted day, which makes it difficult for families that would need uh child care. If we exhaust all of our emergency days or e-learning days, those five days total for the year, uh then we would have to go into act of God days. In our act of God days, the superintendent would have to get approval from our role uh to use any days uh that pose a risk to students. Uh we are currently working with our building administrators and teachers to build uh e-learning plans should we need to go and use any of those days. And so Ken can talk about what transportation looks like and what we purchase uh for the buildings. Thanks Shantel. U just I guess a couple things I I will share and and again I will be straight with

029you that fans really don't do a lot in buildings. All they do is push around hot air. They really don't cool. Um, and you really, you know, one of the things when we talk about air conditioning is there are codes that the uh Illinois uh state board of education has and you have to bring so much fresh air into a classroom and that. So, I'm going to talk about that when I get into my presentation, but that's one of the big things. So even in pushing around air into a classroom, you still should really open the windows and get fresh air in because you need fresh air into the classroom. It just again brings more hot air in. And that so we are supplying fans into our buildings, all of our non-air buildings. Um I

030if we don't have enough, I'll be happy. We we'll order more. We can get those overnighted so that that isn't an issue. We are also bringing in four water coolers into every facility, every non-airconditioned facility. So there will be four water coolers in there. Um we do also have bottle fillers that we have put in uh drinking fountain bottle fillers. Um so those can be utilized too. Um there really isn't a lot we can do to cool a building right now. I mean, I'm I'm just going to tell you that unless we put in air conditioning, that's the only way we're going to cool a building. You know, these things that we're doing right now that we've done for years, have done for the four years that I've been here, um really only kind of

031push hot air around, quite honestly, on that. All right. So, I don't know if you have any questions. I'd be happy to answer any from a facility standpoint. Um I know Jontel mentioned transportation. If there is a situation where uh a building does get too warm and we do have to let children out, the bus company is prepared to bring buses here and can get them here quickly for us uh by midday if we have to do that. The buildings really start heating up. I will tell you this, they they'll start heating up around 10:00 in the morning. They start cooking uh because they're brick buildings and and that's just they do. They cool down a little bit at night, but then they'll as soon as the sun hits them, they start baking. So, um,

032again, I I again I I don't know if you have any questions. Be happy to answer. So, so real quick, yeah, the e-learning days and the act of God days if if you do an early release does what does that account for? The that's the interrupted day. So, we cannot call an interrupted day the night before. So, we cannot say tomorrow is going to be an interrupted day. Okay. So the real but we would if we did that we would have to make that day up. No, I take that back. We don't have to make that day up. We um we can only use an emergency day or an e-learning day if we call it the night before. Okay. So and who controls that? The ROE. The Illinois code controls. Yeah, there's an Illinois school.

033The Illinois School of Code says this about and it's called an interrupted day. An act of God, an interrupted day. And so what happens is is and I'll give you an example. So a a school district has has multiple buildings and all of a sudden the electricity in one building goes off at nine o'clock in the morning. You can call that an interrupted day because it's called that day. And as long as there's one hour of instruction, you do not have to make that day up and you can let those children out. All right. The rest of the day. So hear me out. At the last business meeting, I had brought up that we are allowed five days. Mhm. But in a situation in our district, we have four if not five buildings without AC.

034And so the ROE has to have some compassion in that sense. Okay, there's no way that it's going to be 90, let's say 92 next Tuesday that we can't warn our parents and use that, right? They have told us right out that we cannot do that. There is no exception to that. And here's why. Air conditioning is not a life safety issue. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Now, let's go back a little bit. I'm just I'm just I understand that. Listen, I I get that. I know. Okay. Uh being in the industry, whether it's 100 degrees out or or minus 10, we're working. Mhm. But when you have kids and staff in a building, there has to be there has to be a shelf. And it is a life safety day in a it

035is a safety day for sure. I mean, but that's why they're saying you call it that day. You have to call it that day in order to have as an interrupted day. That's according to school code. I that that's what they're that's what they're telling us. We we've asked this question, you know, when we talked to them about this and I agree in a normal situation, but now that we're in different situation with pandemic and mass, all that should not we shouldn't be on regular rules right now because if the governor decided that, hey, we're going to all wear a mask now, all that should be negotiable. And I think a phone I listen at the last meeting I had mentioned that I know we have five days and I know maybe you're saying they're

036not going to change but some kind of contact to them and we have we've contact and so the fact that now they're mandating mass there's no way of working around that according to them there is not they have told us you can use your five days as emergency days or as e-learning days or you can use interrupted days and then you and look into act of God days. But that is it. We we've talked to Isby and we have talked to Will County ROE. The only other thing I have to say kind of that'll go into your budget thing is the fresh air is correct when you're remodeling or renovating a building. So, when you're doing work in a school like we did in this building, if we were adding air conditioning, then we would

037have to bring up the building to those standards if we're adding something of that nature. I think you and I had a conversation that the temporary air conditioners, a window air conditioner, whatever it would be, is a bridge to a solution. It's not it's not a I'm just I know we're going to I'm just saying that's what that is. that if you're putting in a temporary situation, that's not a solution. The solution is to bring in air conditioning, bring in the fresh air, bring in the energy codes. I understand all that. But if you're bridging a gap and because let's be realistic, there's a couple things you're going to bring up, there's some bigger numbers there. And to do that, which we know two and a half years ago was told that if it's not

038life safety, we have to go, you know, we have to go to the public for the approval. Well, no, that that that's not right. You don't have to go to the public for approval if you're doing renovations because it's what we've done partially in this building. All right? So, you do not have to go to the public. We did life safety here, right? Not we did not do just life safety here. Keep that in mind. The lighting that we did was not life safety. We added that into the budget and that um so we just did not do life safety. Correct. We did life safety in in accordance with with what we had to do. But at the same time, you see the only thing that was life safety now so I I'll get into

039detail. The only thing that was life safety was replacing the pipes. Your fixtures were not life safety. Your toilets not life safety. New partitions not life safety. New lighting not life safety. None of that is life safety. All right. So again, my question to the board would be, and I can go either way on this. If you replace the pipes, do we put the old fixtures back in? Which makes no sense. I understand that, Bill. But but that's that's the way this gets and that's how cut and dry this is when it comes to the Illinois school code and the way life safety works. When you talk about fresh air and you talk about a temporary solution with schools there are no temporary solutions. It's a solution whether that solution lasts one year or 50

040years it's a solution. So that solution has to meet the Illinois school code. And what the code is saying according to my report and that which was done by an engineering consultant is that we have got to bring in fresh air even if we temporarily cool a space with a window air conditioning unit which means either you run the unit event that is there that is kicking out heat or we open the window that that's the only solution that so that's what I'm saying. Now, I'm not saying we don't do it, but I just want to make this I I just want to make it clear because I want to make sure when we install something and do something, it meets our codes. That's all I'm saying on that. So, so that's why, you know,

041there's a lot more to this, you know, as we go down that road. That's all. I have one question about the fans. Yes. Um the public comment that said they were only getting 15 per school. I had a conversation with the superintendent when I saw that you had purchased 15 fans. And my understanding was that every classroom had a fan, but those 15 were for a hallway or a corridor somewhere that we needed to push air. Is that correct? For a lot of buildings, we already have coral fans. The the fans that we're ordering are for classrooms actually. Now, I just said order 15 fans, multiply it by how many five buildings, and that's how many fans we ordered because some won't need all 15, but some, you know, so so we'll move around, but

042that that's just how many we ordered. Now, again, we can we can easily order more. I can get them here overnight. That that's not an issue. But again, a lot of the buildings already have corridor fans. Okay. But my clarification that I need is do does every classroom have a fan? Every classroom will have a fan. does not currently and we start school tomorrow. I don't believe it. I don't I don't believe it does, but I don't know that right off the top of my head. I can I can check that out. Okay. Because we start school tomorrow. I know. And it's going to be 90°. I know. Okay. So, when I had my conversation with you, that was not correct. And we should have acted on that immediately. Every classroom does not have a

043fan. And I get it that that doesn't cool, but at least it moves air. We need to get on this. We need to check. I can have fans by tomorrow morning. Okay. I I think we need to check. I'm I'm not kidding around here because we're looking at 90 tomorrow, which means 105 in a classroom at least. And when we chatted, I think there was a misunderstanding that those 15 were for corridors only areas that needed them. I I really think that that's something we need to get on immediately. So, at least we have air movement if nothing else. It's going to be hot air movement, but there's a little breeze in your face that might dry a little bit of the sweat. It can. What type of thought are we putting in when we

044obtain these fans? Because I heard from the teachers that Yeah, we got a temporary fix here with the fans. Okay. I don't want to call it a fix, but a temporary effort. Mhm. And the fans is not the optimum solution to provide cooling air for our kids. But I heard the teacher say that they were noisy, so they were impeding learning. So when we go out there and get these fans, are we looking at some type of efficiency, noise level or whatever, or are we just getting fans? There are no quiet fans. There are some quieter fans. Well, there's some quieter ones, but they're not quiet enough in order. Now, again, now let let me let me share. So, they have came a long way with fans themselves. Right. But my understanding is last meeting

045that you had the committee, the whole meeting when you were in here, there was not air conditioning. Am I right? I believe there was not air conditioning in there, right? And you had fan going, right? And he it was pretty loud. Well, and that's the size of fans I'm getting. Okay. I'm getting 20inch fans, you know. I mean, oh, no. This was a big commercial fan. Well, the ones that were over there. Yeah. Over here. But but again, but what I'm saying is that they are no matter what size you get. If I get a smaller box fan that is is quieter. All I do is just challenge you. I just challenge you to just seek to get the most efficient noisewise. And I agree with the teachers here in their classroom. We also have

046a hepailter running. So now I've got a hepailter running and I've got a fan running. So now I got more noise. Yeah, that helper filter is pretty quiet. That's the little white box. What is that? The UV. Which one is that? Here's what I'll say. It is not that quiet. I have one in my office actually that runs. And when I go on the phone sometimes if I go on a conference call, I got to shut it off. Okay. Do me a favor. Just real quick. something you can do just download a sound meter on your phone and just go in there and test how many decibb it is. Well, they they'll be able to tell you. Oh, just just check. I'm just Yeah, I can. Okay. Sure. I'm just curious what it is. Sure.

047Okay. Uh 90 is required by old to wear earplugs. That's 90. So regular talk when you're talking it's probably 4550. So, I just want to know how much that adds in decibels to that sound level. Sure. Okay. All right. Well, I have maybe it's rhetorical or whatever the question is. It shouldn't even be a question. How long How long have we known that this is an issue? We know that it's been forever. How many opportunities have this board and previous boards had to fix this? Tons. fans. We know that in the classroom it's gonna be loud. You can't hard you can barely hear and it's I mean we could beat the dead horse. At the end of the day we have to decide for their sake what the plan is moving forward whether it be

048for act of God days, heat days, whatever. And I'm assuming they have a plan and what the but the bigger plan is which is not what the teachers are necessarily looking for now but I guess that I would assume they would be happy with in the future is okay how soon I think they would want to hear when are we going to get air conditioning in the in the buildings for the teachers and the students. I'll share that with you tonight or for the Okay. So that and that's what I'm looking to hear is like and and we say teachers and students. I say students and teachers cuz I think that too often as adults we put us first and then them the students second. It's all even when the one teacher spoke and I'm

049not criticizing her but she said teachers and students or whatever staff and students. Yeah. I I don't I I I care about they have to be in a great in a good working condition. Um the students have to be in a great learning condition and we have to have a plan and we have to move forward with it and and not be revisiting this next year this time or in the in the summer or the um springtime, what have you. A decision has to be made. Um and you say you're going to share that with us. I and I definitely look forward to hearing that. Um I think at this point I guess everybody gets to say what they want to say but at this point I just want to know what the solution is

050for the the teachers um and every and um from their concerns. Sure. Any other questions on the heat update? Okay. Thank you, Shantel. And Ken, you're up next with the discussion of the fiscal year 22 budget. I am. And thank you. Good evening, board. Good evening, Dr. Cara and public. Um, I've shared with you, I've given you the a hard copy of the budget presentation. It's probably a little bit easier to read and that, uh, for the public, it is out there on board book, so you'll be able to download it. Um, most of the information, you know, some of it has remained the same. um pages four and five which are uh the end of the year that has all remained the same. Um so I'm not going to go into that. Uh then

051when you go into page six through nine those are some charts that I had put in last time but I'm going to go all the way through to page 10 which is a summary of the budget um to kind of give you an idea how the change has taken place. So you will see the on the um left side of the page the 2122 draft budget from July that I presented where I showed a surplus deficit of $6.3 million adjusting that taking out construction costs of 2.7 million. I've gone back and as President Alrech said I've sharpened my pencil and also have tweaked it. I've done both of those things and um now you're going to see a surplus deficit of $4.8 million. There are construction services in there uh of $3.1 million and I'll

052I'll go over that a little bit later. Meaning that there's an adjusted what I'm going to call an operating deficit of $1.7 million right now. Now the question is where is that coming from and why is that there and how's that explained? So, if you go to page 11, I've talked a little and we've talked about this before about transportation revenue and the revenue that we get from the reimbursement of transportation. And so, I'm going to kind of walk you through this because I wanted to kind of explain and show you where that $1.7 million is. And actually, it's about $2 million. So, I've got numbers on the top there, and I've referred those in different columns. I thought that was easier for me to point out to all of you and the public in

053that. So you'll see in column one there are regular vocational reimbursement and special education reimbursement. So we get reimbursed from the state both for regular and vocational transportation along with special ed transportation on a total it's approximately 80%. It changes kind of every year based on a number of factors that the state does but for the most part 80%. You will see that in 201617 those are the numbers we've received. You'll see that reimbursement and that's revenue that has come in in those years. You'll see that steadily increase as we go. Again, your expenses increase. So, uh that's why those kind of increase. So, at the end of in 1819, we received $4.2 million in revenue reimbursement from the state for transportation cost based on the previous year's expenditures that you submit. So, now let's

054go to column five and six. kind of the yellowish green color, whatever you want to call it there. So, you'll see in 1920 we received revenue of $4.7 million based on claimable expenses the previous year of $5.9 million. All right. Then you go to columns seven and eight, the blue columns, and you'll see in 2021, which again, we were full remote from March uh 2020 to June 2020. So, we received $3.5 million in uh 2020 2021 based on the expenses from 1920 of $4.2 million. So again, you'll see a decrease in the allowable expenses because we were remote at that time. And then again, you go, let's go a year further then. Our revenue in 2122, which is the budget, is going to be 2.7, at least I've estimated, is going to be $2.7 million

055of revenue based on expenses from 2021 of $3.6 million. So, what I'm saying is if you compare column 10, that total number 2.7, go back to when we had a full year of 4 point of column six when we got that reimbursement, there's about a $2 million difference. Okay. Now, take into effect our budgeted expenses in transportation, which is column 11, is going to be $6.2 million. So, they've jumped up now. And that's because we're going to have a full year in person and we're going to be paying full transportation. All right. So, the 1.7 million is because of a lack of revenue really in transportation and that that we're not getting. Now again, the previous year, keep in mind, last year we had a surplus in our operating fund of $2.3 million, and we

056knew that going in. We figured that that's hopefully will carry us and help us with this year's deficit. We knew that. Okay. So, I don't know if there's any questions about that. Be happy to answer, but I just wanted to kind of share that historical with you to kind of understand the revenue stuff. Ken, real quick, looking at five, just take five at the bottom. Yes. And the allowable expense, the last one, it's like 5.9 million. Yes. Okay. So, that's those were our expenses. And then we obtained revenue of 4.7. That's the reimbursement. Yes. 4.7 was the reimbursement. Yes. Okay. So, transportation is a cate category that we levy. Yes. So how much would would we have levied in transportation for example in this year? So that's what I'm looking at. I don't know to

057that off. Okay. But would we had levied what our expected expenditures would have been the difference? No. No. The same just say I if we expected five $6 million that's what we expected to expend in any given year. I know the budget and the levy kind of offset a little bit 6 months or so. I'd have to look that. But do you understand what I'm saying? I'm saying if we levied what we expected to expend and yet we got reimbursed 80%. So I would think that we levied enough to cover our expenditures. Yeah. Roughly. And I know the levy and the budget is two different things. And I agree. I understand what you're saying. I'll have to look at that and see. I I'll take a look at that and get back to you on

058that. Yeah. Because what it looks like here is our expenditures, our expenses is x amount of dollars and then we only obtain so much revenue and it wasn't enough to cover our expenses, right? But I would have thought we levied enough to cover our expenses and then we got reimbursed, right? That was 80% of that, right? So I'll take a look at that and see. I I understand what you're saying. So I'll take a look at that. I'll, you know, I can put that in FYI or I can report back on that during next month's budget presentation. Okay. Just that delta. You cover that delta. Sure. I can do that. All right. So, so Ken, let me kind of think about it this way. Yeah. So, it looks like 2018 2019 is really as we

059go into the budget for 202122 is the last comparable year. Yes. Yes. So if if the expense for running the buses, running transportation in 201819 was 5.9 million and you're projecting 6.2 that's kind of apples to apples, right? Yes. And in going back to the 2018 2019 in the prior or the the following year we were reimbured 4.7 million. Yes. So if I compare kind of the 4.7 million in column six to the 2.7 that we think will get reimbursed this coming year, it's about a $2 million difference, maybe a little million9, right? Yes. So that's kind of really the additional out of pocket that we're paying this year because we didn't run buses fully last year, right? Yes. Is that the best way to Yes. I I think that's a good way of explaining.

060Exactly. Yep. So going back if then if you go back to page 10 and you're projecting a deficit of 1.7 million that million9 or so difference on transportation is what drives that deficit. You're exactly right. Okay. Yes. Now, one more thing I'm going to I'll share with the board that I actually just found this out is the new evidence-based funding models came out and the calculations came out. So, our district now is a tier 2 district. We are not tier one anymore. We are tier two, which means we get less money from the state. Okay? So, if you remember, I talked about the different tiers that you have in evidence-based funding. And when you are tier one, there's a bigger pot of money and schools get we get more money every year because of that.

061And in the past we received and the last time we did that because remember last last fiscal year we didn't get that but the previous year we got about 890,000 in additional funds. Okay. This year because we're tier two we're only going to get $400,000. And why did we become tier two? We have no extremely sources of additional revenues coming in because our enrollment numbers have gone down. That's there you go. That's what it is. I tell I took a look at this because what are we about 4400? Well, here's Yeah. And so here's what I'll tell you, Mr. Brown. It's great. So back in fiscal year 20, which is 1920, which is the last year they did the extra money, we got the extra money. Our enrollment was according to them and they do

062a year they do an average. Okay, it's like a three or four year average. 4,688 students. This year is coming up at 4,449 students. So there's a difference of about 240 students there. And that's why I said we're out there promoting that we have 5,000 students and we need to we need to clean that up. Yeah. So again, so our adequacy rate now, our percent of adequacy has gone to 71%. Now, before it was 63 or 65%, now it's gone to 71%. So, I mean, we're just into tier two, but we're in tier two now. Wow. And that. So, again, it it comes in at less than 400,000. Now, I will tell you, I've included that reduction in this number in the 1.7. So, it doesn't mean that we have to adjust it. That's all

063included and all. And what's the amount of the difference between what we would have gotten as a Sure. So again, we got back in fiscal year 20 890,000 and now we're getting 400,000. Definitely. So about 490,000 almost a half a million dollars. Most of Yeah. Okay. So yeah. So So those are some things again, you know, from an enrollment standpoint. So ju just again to let you know as we move forward. So Ken, real quick, yes. Uh with the evidence-based funding, is it still factored in with the average daily attendance as well? Yes. And that those are the numbers that I gave you. And then so so they use an average, Mr. Brown, over four years. Over four years. So it's kind of sliding. So you know, um it may go down again, you know,

064in that I don't I don't foresee us coming out of tier two for for a while to be honest with you. And that um but again, it just it does reduce the amount of money you get. Well, the census came out. I think cit the population of cit increased by I think three or 4%. Mon was pretty much stagnant. University I think it was 200 and some people 200. Yeah. Yeah. So just kind of you know looking at that. Yeah. All right. So let me let me just move you over to page 12 then. And uh a couple things that I I'll share with you. Uh so on the top there draft some comments and recommendations that the 2122 annual budget is a work in progress as we all know. It's it's probably 95 to

06598% done right now on that. I'm I'm I'm pretty well done. I I'll do a little bit more maybe sharpening my pencil to see if I can do some things but uh for the most part it's done. There will be a little bit of final adjustments in the next month as final grant allocations are determined. Most of them have already been determined and I I'll reook at that to see if there's any additional things uh that'll be coming our way. Um the board of education, you'll receive the final annual budget at the committee the whole meeting on September 14th. That's also the date of the public hearing. So we have a public hearing that date on the budget. Um and then lastly, again, as I shared with you last meeting and we have talked about

066as a as administrative staff, the evaluation of our staffing positions and levels so that we can take place to reduce any projected budget deficits. So our goal is to start looking at that uh uh hard to see if we can get efficient in any areas and that uh because our biggest expense is salary and benefits and that. So that's something we just need to look at. Uh again, when are you bringing to the board to approve the tenative budget? That would be in September, Mr. Brown. So the the public hearing is on the 14th and then the approval will be on the 21st to approve the budget the 2122 budget. So the tenative budget has to be out there for the public view for 30 days, right? Yes. So when is that going to happen

067again? That is going to happen as soon as uh starting tomorrow. That'll happen. So once what I want to do is present it to the board first and that because today is the what's today? This 17th 17th 17th and then the 21st is actually when it has it has to be out. You know the 21st is actually the approval. So we'll be 30 we'll be 30 days out more than 30 days actually. So, it'll go it'll go on the website tomorrow. Okay. I I think I'm missing something. We are to approve the tenative budget, right? You're approving it on the 21st. On the 21st of September. Oh, after Oh, I thought we approved it. Okay. So, it's out there for public view for 30 days. Then after that period, then we come back and approve

068it. And Got it. I missed it. Sorry. I missed I missed something. No problem. Yeah, that's right. Sorry. No, no problem. I was looking. I'm like, "Okay, it's not on here." No, we're good. You're right. I missed it. I missed this stuff. I apologize. That's all right. Capital projects and construction services. I talked about the $3.1 million and uh that's tied up with our life safety and asbestous ament at ELC in Talala about 2.7 million and that uh is in this budget. The gym floor refinishing of $35,000 which was approved by the board that is now finished. So that is done. So that payout will be taking place probably in September. And they look like they replaced a fire protection system or something over at Talala. Then they Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's That's all life

069safety though, right? That's all life safety. That's all in this 2.7 million. Got it. Yes. Yes. Uh the football field light replacement for 315,000. That is taking place right now. Uh the polls are out there. They're putting them all together. The next step is to get them up. So, uh I would say within a week that'll be done. And then the cool uh cooling tower maintenance of $75,000 has been done also. So then again, I'm going to go into a little bit about recommendation about capital project plans. Um there's two things that uh really there's two items that want to talk about. One is a short-term facility improvement plan and one is a long-term plan. A short-term plan beginning June of 2021 through August 24 that'll concentrate on life safety and that and some other

070things and then a long-term facility plan. One of our thoughts is our administration is is thinking and utilizing the superintendent's operation committee um to talk about those things and then to present a full plan to the board and that so the short-term plan I'm going to talk a little bit about tonight. The long-term plan we're going to bring to the board. We like to are earmarked bringing something to the board in October 2021. We'll do that through the operations committee so we can have discussion with a couple board members and then we'll bring that. So, if you look at page 13, I've kind of laid out some things and there's some pricing here and all of that, but I've kind of laid out some things and I've worked with not only our architect, but also

071our engineer, Milliey's engineering to do this. So, you'll see in summer of 21, we've done life safety projects and what I call I I I just called this HVA HVAC prep. Okay? So, you'll see that the the contract was uh it's $3.6 $6 million approximately is what the cost is. I've kind of rounded all these things. So that work is is being completed right now. In the summer of 22, my recommendation would be to do some life safety projects or to begin at least prepping right now for some life safety projects at uh the other schools, Belmor Creek, Kescott King, and Mon Education and at the same time put air conditioning into Talala and the early learning center permanent air conditioning. Okay. At the same time, we could also look at if you wanted to

072put temporary air conditioning in the other four schools, why we're doing uh the life safety, we can do that. I'm going to touch on that a little bit about what that would take, but let me let me just finish with this. Then in the summer of 23, we would do full HVAC electrical work um throughout those four buildings. And then in Chala and ELC, we would do what I'm going to call cosmetic improvements. Things like painting, things like uh we probably yank out these markers, put in cubicles, those type of things. We would also wait to see what the facility assessment brings us and then we would look at that too and see if there's anything. I just put a number in there because I just base it on 30 $30 a square foot. That's

073all I I just I just use Oh, $30 a square foot. I I just use a number. Well, because it's painting. I mean, come on. And I can call you, Mr. around and we do it. So, um I like the contract and then contract and then in summer of 24 we would also do some cosmetic improvements in that. So, you'll see some dollar numbers on there. We would have to sell some bonds. I I haven't gone into specifics of that because I wanted to share with you kind of an overall to see what your thoughts are and I can start pursuing some particulars to see what we would need in um in bond revenue in order to get some of these things done. And I I know Ken the board had kind of discussed before

074the referendum was put out there and I hate to bring that phrase up but we were talking about an option that if the referendum did not pass that there was a possibility that we were looking to put air conditions in all the buildings that do not have air conditions and that number was kind of way up there is astronomical like 40 50 million dollars. Mhm. And that is still on the table, I guess, right? In some in some manner. Yeah. So, just to kind of let the public know, not saying that we the board has discussed that in detail, but that's we're talking about buildings that do not have air conditioning. We heard the plight of these teachers, these dynamic teachers, and and I definitely feel for them. But again, you know, we're talking about

075masses amount of money and we have limitations on what we can borrow and we have a bunch of whole lot of needs and I would say air conditions is right up there with the life safety issues as well being number one. Right. So I and I agree with you just round and and you know the unfortunate thing is you're right we do have a lot of needs but we have to stage this right and what I mean by staging so the board understands this is we have to do the water pipes first absolutely to get them done to size them properly to have air conditioning in the building so again and I and I'll use Talala and ELC an example we've done that now so they the pipes are prepped to put air conditioning in

076here and so the next step would be hopefully to put air conditioning in and then we need to start that process with the other buildings that now when I talk about longterm or long range then too I also think that we can have discussions and I want to we as administration we want to have these discussions with the operations committee bringing the board we want to look at two different models we're going to we're going to try and bring two different models to the full board about what to do with our facilities because I'm I'm going to give you what my opinion is now. And I and I'm going to preface this by saying you hire me to give you some opinions, you know, on some things. And so I'm just going to give you

077my opinion based on my ex my experience with facilities. I I was always taught if we want your opinion, we'll give it to you. Okay. Well, that's actually my wife. I like that. Give me your opinion. Yeah, she she makes sure she gives me my That's something we can do. But you know, so so what does your wife have to say on this? Yeah. So what what my wife has to say is I'm going to go back to a conversation I had when I first came here and Mr. Ter sat across the table from me and he looked at me and he goes, "What's wrong with our facilities?" And I said, "What's right with it? We have too many facilities. I I'm I'm just gonna because you have a natural structural deficit because you have

078too many facilities and they're hire there's a lot to maintain and there's a lot of staffing that goes into that you know so I think we have to look at that and try and come up with a fair and equitable plan a long range plan and I'm not talking about something like I said is going to be uh two or three years out we got to look at because we have to look at something that's going to be out there seven years. And the question we have to ask ourselves is what should this district look like in 10 years. What should it look like from a facility standpoint in 10 years? Because I don't believe I will tell you this. I don't believe it is sustainable the facility structure we have in the next 10

079years. Ken, wasn't that the whole purpose of the referendum for the most part? Consolidation. I think it is, but I think there's some other things that we can do. I think we got an opinion from from them and I think there are some things that we could work on and you know there's all there's always a lot of options and I don't want to get into those but there's a lot of options that we have there. Let's get all the data and and and wave our op we need to look at that. I think you know we've talked and I think Dr. Hollis has has said this. We've talked about this a lot. You guys have my four years we have. Prior to that, this started in 2012. We've been talking about it for nine

08010 years now. And and so now's the time we we just got to start doing something because our kids are suffering. They just are. You know, they really are. Well, I'm just glad to see that we are pounding away on these big life safety issues. And I when I went over to Talala and I saw it wasn't as as intrusive replacing those pipes as I thought. A lot of it was overhead and not underground, right? So that made me feel better that, you know, I would imagine that other schools with similar issues, it would not be as intrusive as well. No, I agree. I, you know, and again, look at what we've did. Look what we've done to the place. Yeah. I mean, when you when you walk here and thank you the warrooms over

081at Talala, just just the little effort to change the stalls and all of that made a well of difference. It does, you know, now and you know, again, we have LED lighting. We have we've put in motion detectors now. We've done all you know that those are all the things we need. So just moving moving on these issues. It it just does things well to my heart. So lastly then I I just want to touch base and you'll have starting on page 14 to 16 is a report that that was done by Milliey's engineering about putting in window units or temporary units into the uh facilities on you know for you know as Mr. Swasha mentioned is is a temporary solution of that. So it goes through some things. I highlighted some things there just

082to kind of focus on a few things and I I I do want to share just a couple things with you. Um you know in the second paragraph uh on page 14 where the highlight section says based on prior experience in district it is likely that the existing COMMED utility transformers are not adequately sized to accommodate a sign significant number of new AC units. Now again, I'm I'm not an expert in that, Mr. Brown. I could have I could have told you, you know, I I didn't know this was going on, but yeah, that's okay. I I just received the report, so that that's why But there are some there are some errors in here, but yeah, that's a m point, but they didn't give us a a figure of putting these air conditions in,

083piping everything in that that I haven't got that far yet because that that's going to have to be done. If you want to go that route, I can do that. I I think that would have been great for the board to see just the price a cost, you know, because they're saying, "Okay, each room takes five tons, right?" But because of the electrical nature of all of that, five, first of all, you I don't think you could get a window bill. You could attest to this. You cannot get a window unit five tons. Usually two, you know, two t uh probably 24,000 BTUs or two ton two tons usually. Then after that, you get into some central units. So five tons. So they talking about splitting these up, right, to get the five tons, a

084two-tonon, another two ton, two window units in a room, and maybe a little another little small unit, right? No, exactly. So all of that's going to be have to be piped in electrical own circuit, add another electrical box. So we're talking about a lot of money. Well, and that's the thing. Now, again, I can get it priced out. I I not but I again, I just I just wanted to share this with you and I and I can start, you know, accumulating all that data and getting that data so the board sees that data. That that isn't a problem. I just wanted to kind of get an idea of what is going to be needed. Yeah. And and and again, you're like again, our teachers is here. They're talking and and sharing their their heart

085with us about, you know, moving forward. So, if that price and cost was was there for us and the public can see it and say, you know what, yeah, we all agree we need air condition, but this temporary solution, you call it temporary permanent. There's no temporary solution when it comes to school codes here. So, and then at some point we move these window units out or start and get a central unit. You know, we're talking about $8 million a school and this project doing it this way might be $4 million. I don't know. But I think we need to know that. Sure. Can can when you talk about the utility transformers, this is the transformer on the pole outside the building some pole. They talking about you have hours here to feed this building.

086But I guess you got a vault. My question this is comed equipment not our equipment. Well well I saw one and one here that excuse me was a something is missing here. So we do have we got to have a transform that's in the school that belongs to us. That's at at CSK on page 203. It says the existing electrical service phase. Okay. right there just with that transformer right there. That's a comed transformer. That's not going to be able to supply you any type of air condition. Okay. Now 480. So that means there's another transformer in the building. Okay. That belongs to us. Gotcha. That gives us from 480 to 220 for air conditions. So they missed that. So I was just looking at that. I browsed over that. Sure. So yeah. So we

087have we may have some transformers that belong to us in our facilities. Yeah. And so I saw something like that and then they talked about they have to change over vault a transformer from a vault to a pad mounted. That's a whole another thing the the pad mounted right in the front of the sixth grade center old high school. That's a pad mounted. That green cabinet there. So that has nothing to do with it size. It just has something to do with how the transformer itself is fed. So vault doesn't make it necessarily a bigger transformer could get in there. I don't want to get into all the details but but I'm just saying so I I can definitely support this and you know if need be if need be. Just just reel me in.

088I do want to ask you one question. How much did it cost to do this to do this analysis? It was part of our we have it under professional services. Um so I I don't think I've gotten the invoice yet to be honest with you. So estimate through our architect, you know. So, we budget a certain amount in professional service estimate 10 grand, 8 grand. It's probably about five grand. Okay? You know, probably. So, all right. But this is good information. Thanks, Bill. If you was involved with this, I appreciate it. That's that's, you know, we have to move keep moving on this. So, great for bringing this to the board. I really appreciate it. And Bill, if you had anything to do with a great uh great job. I appreciate that. I guess the

089only confusing part that I'm seeing here is I guess so everybody understands I had talked to Ken about a temporary solution which is kind of in the same light but not this. Mhm. So this is totally way more advanced than I was thinking because let's let's be honest with ourselves. If you go back to the other page it's approximately $64.4 $4 million. Mhm. Which we agreed I think when we talked about before we talked about a referendum. I think Mr. Rup and yourself, Mr. Brown, we figured 2024 was way too far out. So, we wanted to try to move it along. I was just trying to come up with an idea that if we put basic window units in theory, Mhm. they're only 120 volts. How many amps do they draw? I was trying, you

090know, to have our engineering firm figure out what is the capacity in each room. Mhm. And honestly, what can we forego or the teachers to put these in? And if it's bridges a three-year gap to come up with a with a plan, but if we're going to come up with a plan and spend this money in this, then you wouldn't need to do that. I mean, think about it. You have to start with the life safety first as we discussed to take out all the water pipes. Mhm. Because once we do that then the air conditioning becomes feasible because in a school it's much different than five ton units. I mean seriously I was bringing ideas that were 120 volts. These are all two. It's different but yeah again with the 120 volts and I

091was over Tala again. I just happened to be stumbling in the room. I think it was Dr. Elliot her she had her window unit going. It was nice and cool in there. But we're talking about classrooms and you have to take into consideration body heat and I believe they did a calculation adding body or students or whatever. So many students you got to ramp up the BTUs and all of that stuff. But I'm not sure if that was a 120 actually with 120 you draw more current. Correct. And I guess the idea was it wasn't a solution. Okay. it was temporary that if we decided that we had to come up with a plan and it was going to be three years, why would we make the the staff and the students or the students

092and the staff as Mr. uh Dr. Hall said, um why would you make them wait another three years that if there is a number in there, could we put that in there? But, you know, Ken's done a a good job at putting this plan together that if we can go through that, but we have to secure the funding for it. No, I agree. And I I just and again if we don't secure it now it's delayed another year. So that that was the only reason why I brought it up with Ken is to see what we can do so that the students and staff don't have to wait three years just because it's going to take time. Yeah. I what what I want to get from the board is does this does this shortterm at

093least now I know there are probably some quirks with it you know right now but does it make sense? So then I'll start doing some of the leg work. I'm not saying I'm going to start moving forward on it, but I can start doing some of the finance. I can talk to PMA and see about bonds. I can start looking at some uh bid documents and all of that stuff because if you remember the 64.4 part of that money we already secured. We do because we have all the life safety money already. So, that's going to come down. Yes, I have some of that. We started off with $17.5 million, right? That's right. And we had roughly about $10 million life safety issues. They're about Yeah. we had to repair ourselves another million dollars for

094the for the building that we obtained for maintenance, right? We paid that we already paid that back. So, and again, my concern, and we're going to get into this, I'm sure more down the road, but my concern was that our existing life safety issues, if we stay as we are, that they get carried over to 20 past 2023, which is the next life safety cycle, and we get hit with that or be seen. I I want that off my plate. I think this board want if we go that route. I agree. We don't want to carry over these existing life safety issues to the next cycle. Mhm. Correct. Because the existing ones are eight years old. Yeah. And so, unfortunately, honestly, the can's been coming down the road and we just got to figure out

095to crush it, right? And we got to be done with it. Ken's got the right idea of doing a 10-year plan. But here's the reality is if we're going to spend and I'm going to use essentially 64.4 four million that's in here. We're not We're gonna continue moving forward with the buildings. I don't think we're going to build new buildings. Maybe restructure a little bit to lessen uh a program here and something there. But I mean, I wouldn't think that we're going to dump all, you know, spend all this money and then figure out where we're going to put. I think this board is committed to just keep working, keep working, keep working. We can't be stagnant. You got to keep addressing these issues because this has been going on a long time and and

096again I'm not pointing the fingers at previous board. I've been on this board for 10 plus years. We have to figure at some point to move forward. But it's you know we I have seen life safety issues that have came from 1993 the 2003 the 2013 when I saw my first life safety issues I said the buck's got to stop some. Well well right and when I mentioned the eight years it was basically because you had mentioned 2013 was the last assessment. Exactly. We're a year and a half away from the next one. Exactly. Right. So, we want to make sure this is finished and then we'll reassess the next one. Yeah. So, and and again, uh you know, kudos to uh Mrs. Galbert about, you know, addressing the life safety issues. I I I'm

097glad we're doing it. I'm glad we're getting these big guns off our plate. What did I do? No, that was a that was a compliment. But what did I do? No, just pray. He said, "Hey, cuz I thought, you know, you was your your first desire was to tackle the life safety issues as opposed to my mom. It's the biggest." Yeah. So, so I get it. Well, you're welcome, but I don't remember being the I remember. Okay. So, there any other questions for I have a couple. Yes. Because, you know, I always have a couple. Sure. Um, looking at your plans 21 2021 to 2024, I just want to make sure I got this. So Talawala and ELC have had the prep work done. Yes. Correct. So they would get air conditioning for sure next

098year according to this. According to if we went with this and the other four schools would get the prep work done. Yes. Correct. And then the summer of 2023 those four would get air conditioning. Yes. So in two years, the schools that do not have air conditioning would have valid air conditioning, not window units, HVA, brand new AV HBAC system. Yes. Okay. So that's okay. I just want to make sure that that time frame was what I was understanding. What do you mean by cosmetic improvements? Are those Sure. Those are things like, you know, you walk and again, I'll just take EC because I'm in this building a lot and I walk around this building. It's like painting the walls. You know, we have lockers out here now. You know, you walk the halls and

099the lockers just don't look good. So, and they're not really utilized. So, my goal would be take them out, put cubicles in for our little ones, you know, and do that, you know, that those type of thing. Maybe take some carpeting out because carpeting is horrible in classrooms, right? Uh, you know, from a maintenance standpoint, those type of things. Okay. And I have one other question. It's the big one of the day for me. Mhm. Is this confidential or when a village trustee is asking me questions like crazy about air conditioning and numbers and all this, may I share this information? It's a public document. It's on our it's on board book. So I can just hand this off to them and say here here are the numbers. Correct. Okay. I just want to make

100sure and you know again please understand they're estimates right and explain this is a beginning of a process. But I I just want to be able to hand them something and tell them to read it and leave me alone. Right. As long as you This is the beginning of a process. This is not going to happen in six months. Right. This is not a six-month thing. This is right. That's why two for next year and four for the rest. But in the meantime, would we be stuck with what we're doing now? Yeah. At this point, yes. Yeah. I mean, we just don't have we couldn't get the temporary solution in there now because we still have we would have to go to bid. We'd have to do this. We have to do all that. We

101just don't have enough time to do that. But I I do challenge you again, Ken, if we go that route, the board, you know, go that route that we do not pick one elementary school and say we're going to put the air condition in this year and then the next year. We have to do some parallel path here. We have to do things together here. We cannot I'm with you. If we're doing it, it's going to be it's got to be sealed. Yes. So that this stays. Yes. It shows them two that are already prepped and then the other four. Listen and yeah, this has Yes. And we heard our teacher talking about equity. You know, some schools have it. We can't now that we we the old saying when you know better, you do

102better. Right. I I agree 100%, Mr. Yes. Well, Ken, thank you for the presentation. It was very great great discussion. Can you repeat what you said? Okay. Next up is the consent agenda approval. Uh, does any board member have an item on the consent agenda they'd like to take a separate vote on? Okay. Hearing none. Can I have a motion to approve the consent agenda? Moved. Second. Any questions or comments on the consent agenda? Okay. Hearing none. Roll call, please. Brown is an I. Mrs. Galbbert, I. Dr. Hall, I. Mr. Sales, I. Mrs. Walters, I. Vice President RP, I. President Albert, I. Motion carries. Okay. First up on action reports is under business. Can I get a motion to approve a certificate of payment in the amount of $1,327? Let me start that again. Can

103I get a motion to approve a certificate of payment in the amount of 1,327,511 to RL Soho General Contractor, Inc. for the 2021 renovation work at Talal Elementary School in the early learning center. So moved. Second. Any questions for Ken or discussion? Ken again. So I think you said August. So they're ready. It's ready. The kids ready to move in. We just had in today and they gave us our certificate of occupancy. So we are good to go. Uh there are some small items that we're finishing up. Keith is uh working with them. Um so they are probably about I would say 98 to 99% done. Is this their last payment? Uh, no. There'll be one more because we held back 10%. Got it. So, the the final payment will come in September. Okay. Thank

104you. All righty. Okay. Okay. Roll call, please. Mrs. Galbert, I. Okay. Dr. Hall. I Brown is an I. Mrs. Walters. I. Mr. Swallish. I vice president RP I President Albert I motion carries. Um next up is uh personnel and culture approved. Can I get a motion to approve the personnel report including certified staff employment leave of absence reassignment and resignation and educational support staff employment leave of absence reassignment resignation and dismissal. moved. Second. I'm sorry, who moved? Me. Okay. Moved by Miss Galbreth and seconded by Mrs. Walsh. Are there any questions on the personnel report? Okay. Hearing none. Roll call, please. Dr. Hall. Hi. Mrs. Walters. Hi, Mr. Salish. Hi, Mrs. Galbert. I Brown is an I. Vice President Ru I. President Albert I. Motion carries. Okay. Next up, old business. I've got a couple,

105but does anybody else have? Yeah. Do you want to go ahead? Go. So, I just wanted to say something real quick that um it was the last I think it was the last Thursday in July and this year at the high school they they had a steam program and they invited I think it was 25 was it 25 uh eighth graders and they did some uh engineering. Uh so they invited us between 10 and 12. They invited us to come and take a look at it. It was outside the auditorium. I got to tell you, it was fantastic. Um, they brought up stuff. They built like u drawings of biodomes and what the effectness is. Bill, can you can you let them know these were eighth graders that were coming Yes. into the high school.

106So, they had never been in the high school. They were offered the program for the summer to acclimate themselves to the high school and to get to know each other and involved. So, they had never set foot in the high school until this project began in the summer. And they worked together and the projects were excellent. Um, I just wanted to I don't know if anybody even knew that, you know, if they got the email or not, but we I went and I and I know Miss Galver went and it was fantastic. The students were there. They built catapults. They built cars and uh it was just a lot of fun. That's great. Alternate uh energy. Alternate energy. They did uh wind farms and solar farms. They just did projects in that. Excited to explain.

107Was that the program that Miss Beverly Brown did the Yes. Yes. We all had the email. We got the Yeah. She talked to me at graduation about it and I was I was out of town, but it was really amazing to walk in and they were just the minute we walked in. They were so friendly and I and Miss Gbel, did I say that right? She said that the best thing of that whole program was that they they bonded already. So they knew 25 or 30 other kids walking in the door that they may not have known because not everybody comes from the middle school. We have a lot of kids that come to the high school fresh and um they learned how to work together and stuff and it was just one project was

108more impressive than the next. I mean, I I was just in awe of the capability and and the the camaraderie they had with their teachers. They thrived off of showing you and and having the teacher be a part of it. It was it was really good. I'm sorry you guys didn't get to see it. They were eighth graders. Eighth graders. Had started high school yet, which we didn't find out till halfway through, which made it even more interesting. The the other thing I had is uh unfortunately it's Mr. Gary Thorsky's last year. He's retiring. So with COVID last year, there was no summer play. So Mr. Thorski invited, which I thought was really nice. He invited the seniors that graduated last year to have the opportunity to be in the play. So with last year's

109seniors and this year's, I got to tell you, they did another outstanding job. And the amazing part of that is that the sound, the lights, the backdrop, the stage, all of it's done by students. And the play itself is done with students from 6 years old and of course this year because of last year's senior some of them were 19 years old or whatnot but it's unfortunate that uh you know he's retiring we understand why but amazing program that Cremon has and we want to try to maintain but it was just a very good opportunity for the seniors that didn't really have anything last year to absolutely go out and do one more show. So, it was really good. Really great. Okay. Thanks, Bill. And I do have one thing. Um I don't know if

110if everybody I think Dr. Cara sent it to everybody, but um I had messaged her asking if we had heard anything back from University Park regarding the letter we sent on July 13th, I think it was. And she responded that we had not received an answer yet. So, I don't know if you guys all noticed that in the log that she sent, but it's this week. It was on the log, wasn't it? Uh, no. Oh, was that just me? You asked me. You asked me earlier this week. I responded to you, but not Oh, I'm sorry. Can I not talk about it or can I talk about it? Okay. So, so my question to the board is it's five weeks now and we haven't heard anything and this was supposed to be paid back in

111January, correct? This is the one that was April. Okay. So, we're now at the end. We're supposed to be paid back in January or they're going to issue bonds by April. April. So, you know, we sent the letter. We still haven't heard. So, I think as a board, we need to decide, do we want to go further? Where do we want to go now? Because that money is is hurting the school district that we don't have. The money that we don't have that's to do the school district, we have to remember, is for our kids. So, I just wanted to bring that up because I had it on my little agenda that uh to ask Dr. Karen. I'm sorry. I thought it was in the log, you guys. So, um am I correct in saying

112though we wouldn't have that money yet, right? That that's just money that we won't have in the future if it's not in there going. No, I agree. I agree. And I do think we need to be it would be funds that should be it potentially could be excess funds in TIFF 5 when TIFF 5 is dissolved. It it may not materialize, but if they don't pay it back, it's not going to be Right. So, um yeah, I might suggest that we have um at a future meeting have John Ezo come and talk about our options. So, I just have a really minor thing. I I don't ever want to make a meeting go longer than it has to, but I honestly like just reading what the consent agenda items are before the vote. Oh, I

113mean, just just real quickly, you know, the minutes. I think that's a practice we've having Cara having you you read what they are. So, we'll get back to that. So, just like like for instance tonight there was one on where somebody's here for it and I know she's smart enough to read it and know that we voted on it but I don't know just that's fair. Yeah. I I have a question. Um there was a question presented to Dr. the cockline um from a resident in regards to um university well not university CSK's after school program and I just wanted you to speak on it just so the public can hear the answer because I I believe you sent something to that particular parent but I'm talking there's been some confusion out there um I

114uh I have spoken with University uh Park regarding um them offering the program I as I indicated to our families, we rent the fac that's the after school program before and after school. We just rent the facility. We don't have a say in whether they run it or they don't run it. Um and we've reserved the room uh over at CSK for it to be run. Um from my conversations from University Park, uh they're working on some logistics internally and um that's where that's where it's at. Okay, I do have a Okay, go ahead. You finished, Doc? Yes, I am. Okay, doc. You okay? All right. Um, Bill, I guess this would be and I Excuse me. I apologize for not bringing it up in the consent agenda, but Bill, I don't know if you

115can pull that up. The the license for the pyro technic, I think I'm pronouncing that right. I just saw what I believe was a error in the license itself, the state license. So just a issue, it had a issue date and the issue date was like 2024 and then it had expiration date. It had a OP. I can't pull it up. So I'm trying to use this as my mouse. It says, "Yeah, if you could help expiration date." That's renewal because I actually have the um I actually have the old one that said that it expired in 2020. It's a fouryear four-year license. Yeah. So, they might have put it on there. They said it's issued in 2024 and then under expiration. They had a OP. My memory serves me right. You know, I can

116I can uh I can remember some things like no tomorrow and some things I can remember where my where my socks are. The one that he has here listed. Yeah. So the state of Illinois when they this was the last one. It expired May 15th of 2021. So the expiration date was at the top and then it said classification on the bottom. So, whoever issued this from the state of Illinois mistyped um they flipped them. Okay. So, the classification is supposed to be OP. And the expiration is the date. So, what they did is they flipped it there. They Yeah, they they worded this wrong on the bottom of their license. Okay. Cuz I have the one that has expired this year as of May 15th. Got it. Okay. All righty. Okay. And and uh

117one more doc. I had asked I believe uh with the handbook a couple meetings ago. I think it was at our last committee as a whole. I asked about the hoodies when we approved the handbook and I asked was it okay for athletes to wear hoodies with their warm-ups. I I don't think I got an answer back. It says no hoodies to be worn inside. And I said what about athletes that have warm-up suits that have hoodies? Can they wear can they wear those hoodies during warm-ups? I've seen a lot of track athletes and warming up with their hoodies on and that's part of their outfit, right? I I thought we had some I think the Can you follow up on that? Well, I think the answer is that you know for those athletes that

118are outside and they're using their their I'm talking about inside. There's times where athletes warm up and are inside for whatever reason, but they're usually not walking down the halls and warming up. Not in a hall. But that's what I'm saying. Correct. I think it was differentiated. It was correct. I mean, there is no hoodies in the hallway. If it if an athlete is using their uniform as a warm-up outside, that would be appropriate inside. It says it says no hoodies are to be worn inside the buildings. It was kind of a blanket statement. And that's when I brought up the scenario. I said, "What about athletes? I just don't want it to become an issue with a parent." Correct. for a kid or to get, you know, disciplined for wearing a hoodie as far

119and as it's part of his or her outfit for But they wouldn't put their hoods up. They would. Yes, they would. Walk down the hall. Not the hall, but in in in doing their after school after school. Yeah. Doing warmup in the gym or whatever. That's what I'm saying. And that and that that would be part of their programming. So that would be fine. That's fine. Yes. I think that was in an update. Yeah, that's Did you update, Miss It was in um the FYI. I didn't ask you. Titiated. I thought you had my back. The 15th of July. Okay. What time? Oh, thank you, Miss Tobin. You do have a good memory. All right. Unfortunately, cuz I I thought we had addressed that. So, thank you. Yeah, I was at I was at a

120doctor's appointment doing it. So, they can wear hoodies, but they can't wear them on their head. They that well you know just just as you know with the high schools you know they don't have any hoodies on during the day in the classroom not on their head but if you have a hoodie on but the hood is off. Correct. Okay. But but I and I was saying I was saying during sports you know like wrestling or track or whatever. I've seen my my kids I've seen a track team here in indoor track meets or whatever at the in in the school property inside. They would have their hoodies on during warm-ups and that would be part of their programming. So that would be a program inside the building. That's what it says because the handbook

121says no hoodies are to be worn inside the building and that's what I said. You know there there are some scenarios. Yeah, I think that would be confusing because you'll have that teacher that or staff member that will say it's always going to be that no hoodie like that. No, it when it probably should say no hoods can be worn uh like the hood itself but but not the actual hoodie. Mhm. So maybe the wording can get changed so that people can be worn in athletics, right? But the hood can be worn in athletic, but the hood cannot be worn in a building, but the hoodie itself can be worn. But I think it said I think it said the hood I think it says the hood cannot should not be worn inside the building.

122That makes sense. I think that that verbiage was okay. Okay, that's awesome. Thank you. Um I have a couple. One is the um University Park back to school parade is this Saturday. I think you all saw an email on that. Um Janine reached out to me and and we committed to it. So looking for other volunteers to walk with us if you're available. So be this Saturday, this coming Saturday morning. If it doesn't pour rain, they're calling for thunderstorms. So, I think I think we was that last year a year before we did it. Yeah, two years ago. We did it two years ago and it was a lot of fun. I think it was good. Yeah. And Terry's getting some candy for us to hand out and um so I could do it, Nelson.

123Okay. So, just let me know and we'll coordinate probably meet there 8:30 or something like that. I'll get specifics. So, I'll try I'll try to I can best I could. You don't get to eat the candy. I get through it. I'm good at that. Yeah. Um toss tossth tossth. So oh hands now. Well, yes. So and then the next item um is about board training. Hopefully you saw my email. I mean what we this is not mandatory. This isn't the you know that's the individual training that's required um for new board members etc. Um, so kind of want to know if board members still feel we should have it. Here here's what I'd like to get out of it if we do it. Just talk about some of the board agreements and and you know,

124for example, how we use say old business and new business. I'd like to carve out talk to with you about maybe carving out another something board updates or as part of new as a good news report when we want to talk about the science fair that type of thing and say limiting old business to things that have already been talked about already over in an FYI something that was already at a at a business that was voted out. So we used to have board updates too. So well so those and then how do we you know new business should be something you want to see in the future agenda or talked about it a future committee the whole and then we not you know sometimes we've used I think old business new business has kind

125of been used an opportunity is for open mic and you know to talk about any topic or maybe address another board member and I want to have some I think we as a board need to have some understanding about how we use that what's appropriate and isn't appropriate. So, those are the types of things that um I'd like to spend some of that time on and some of the feedback um before we thought we were going to have it some um that I had provided to Lori. So, anyway, now Lori has a couple of dates if we want to move forward and uh yeah, she provided me uh September 21st, which would be the regular board meeting. So, we would do our business first and go into close session after. So, uh, September 21st would

126be their regular board meeting day. So, we would do our regular business first. I think we have the budget hearing and so forth and then a regular business and then we would go into close session after that and it's an hour and a half training. Um, so September 21st was one date and then the other one was October 19th. That's another regular board uh meeting date. Those are the only dates that she had available. Do you want us to let you know right now or do you want us to email you? Um, I'm good with I'd like to know now. Is it something Do I have a consensus of the board? It's a training that we still want to do. I I would like to see us do the training still. I would like to

127see it if it was really training, but I've been to numerous ones of these and they turn into a he said, she said, a pointing finger. Um, they get off track and there are many things said that leave hurt feelings among board members. I don't I if I get what you want to what you would like to accomplish, I don't know if that's always possible. It certainly the I've been to three or four of them since I've been on the board and sometimes we walk out of there feeling great and 30 seconds later we find out that it was all just a sham. So, um that's my personal thing. I would I would like to be I would like to believe that we could do this and do it for the good of the board

128in the in the district, but my previous experience with them has not been good. Okay. I don't consider them board training. Um and we keep calling it board training. I don't think that's it's more I mean what you're talking about wouldn't even be training. It would be decisions. Do we want to use this for this or that? Do we really need a separate meeting for that or why can't we have different items on the agenda and say what would we like to do instead of having something called board training that really isn't board training? Well, I think it's it's a matter of this is an example of the types of things that I'd like to talk about in terms of our board agreements. How what are our agreements between just refresh our agreements between the

129board and superintendent and that's the type of training that Loriy's providing and I think it's a different board. I get your how you feel and what has happened and I'm hoping that because it's somewhat a different board even though it's one person. The hope is that we're moving forward and it appears that we're moving forward to getting to what you're talking about where it's an actual training and we're not leaving with with hurt feelings or saying anything um in a negative manner, but u it doesn't seem like we have a lot. I don't know about you, but it doesn't seem like we have a whole lot that we need to heal. And and it just sounds like it's more of a, you know, a training to to um do some of the things, some of

130the business that we need to do um to stay current on um as a board. And I just think as a board, am I on? I think I am. Um to be a fully effective board, I think there's just topics that I think would, you know, render some uh further discussion on that we haven't been able to always have. So which is not I would I would look forward to that. I mean if we could but it is training because making you a fully effective board. It's it's topics sometimes that you need to have those hard conversations so that we can become a fully effective board because sometimes I feel like we're on a hamster wheel that we never get off of. So I personally think the discussions and the training together is how we're

131going to grow as a board and be more effective um in time to come. So, I agree, but I have yet to witness that in any of these. And I agree, we have a new board, but we've had a new board through this and always said, "Oh, we're going forward." And and things change. So, people feel the same and and they don't talk like I do. They don't open up. Um, we go in these with great expectations and we come out with what just happened. So, um, I would like to see us be able to do a session and I I don't think I don't know. I have an issue with the board training because I don't think that's what we're doing in there. But um I don't know if everybody wants to give it

132a shot, I'll give it a shot. But I'm telling you, if it turns into a screaming match like they have in the past, I would be up and walking out because that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to work as a unit and not be pointing fingers at people and saying you did this or you know, you never agree to this or whatever because that's what's happened in the past. They turn they come off the topic and we never get back on the topic that we were on. Okay. Bill, do you have a No, I just think that the wording is different. I don't think it's so much as a board training is that we're going to go over, you know, a couple things you want to discuss. Training is that we're learning something

133new, I think, and we're learning a process. So, I it it is what it is. I think the last one with Troy Cicero that we did or the first one we did when I was on board was pretty pretty rough. Um hoping we're past that, but I'm not sure. So, I'm open either date. Um but I just think we just got to call it that we're going to go over something. It's not really a training, I don't think, because we're not learning anything. That's just my opinion. I'm I'm good with doing it. I think that it's always good. I don't know what it should be called and I don't particularly care, but it's always good to have a forum where we can have some open discussion and say some things that we might not um

134be able to say during a regular meeting. So, so that's my concern is I I have always asked for this board. The only way we're going to move forward is if we can get in a room and talk about stuff, but we can't seem to do that. You know what I mean? We can't really seem to do that. I know we do a board training, but I don't know. That's that's the idea is how we move how we going to move forward. Well, we're not going to do it if we don't try, though. Miss Tobin, um, one of the exceptions for the open meetings act session for board self evaluation. Okay. And that's basically that's what we're training. Yeah. We're talking about so Mr. Brown, do you have a thought one way or the other?

135No. any opportunity, any opportunity that we have, we need to take advantage of it. And if it's an effort to try to to make us become better in any way, shape, or form, I'm all for it. Okay. All for it. Uh, we have a preference between the September date or October date, or do you want to get back to Dr. Cara say by Friday? Well, those are board meeting nights anyhow, right? So, we would be here anyhow. Yeah. So, right. So, whatever one will be the shortest meeting. Let's choose that one. Maybe Well, October short because Ken's got a couple things I think on October. Sorry, Ken. We You had to use the October. It's always about Ken. I was thinking that though. If we are having a big uh facilities discussion that night, that

136might make it a lot longer. The public hearing though is going to be part of the committee. The whole, right? Do we not do we not have two meetings in but he has the fiscal thing in October actually three meetings don't we right in the building thing October 2021 is on this thing that went away a couple years ago we used to have two regular meetings I knew that I was checking on see if he knows okay good thing Terry knows so we'll shoot for the uh the September meeting um any new business I I have one question. Um, I don't know if anybody else got this email or if I got it because I signed up for those breakfast bites, but Courtney Stillman, who used to be with Hower Iso, is moved on to

137another law firm. And I got an email from her yesterday or today offering to join in a group that she has through that legal uh entity that she's with now. and it's on the order of a breakfast bites kind of thing. Is that all right for me to go with something like that or would I not want to join that or I just wasn't sure the technicalities on it being another law firm and she's offering to let me join this group? Well, as it as it is, um, and I updated you all in my my update that, um, we're going to be using her as just a contract worker for right now for the special education. Um, and so any of the work that she would do, you would just approve her bills and so

138forth. So she is it would just be considered a contract worker. I I don't see any reason that you couldn't. Okay. Because it's the same thing she does. Correct. Yeah, I saw how with the different um topics and I would forward them on to you after I got them. Yeah, I don't think there's anything special about she's still doing work for the district for a per at least a period of time with special ed, but these are different. I mean, she could talk on anything for 15 minutes. So, that's why this is professional development. Correct. So, it's the same and I'll still just like with anything else. You could go to anything. Okay. So, I'll still send it on to you like I do. She's got some good stuff. Yeah, she does. I know. That's

139why I wanted to make sure it was okay and I wasn't. Yeah, I think that's fine. Okay. Thank you. Any other new business? Nope. Okay. We do have a need for close session. And this should be a pretty quick one. Can I get a um motion to go into close session for the placement of individual students in special education programs and other matters relating to individual students? And this would pertain to the latter. Motion. Second. First second. Roll call, please. Uh, Brown is an I. Mrs. Galbreth, hi. Dr. Hall, hi. Mr. Salish, hi. Mrs. Walters, hi. Vice President RP I, President Albert, I. Motion carries. We are in close session. This should be about probably 15 minutes uh and we'll come back. No other business tonight uh other than adjournment. So thank you. What happened?

140How long you guys start school? Started Monday. Last week we did freshman and sophomore Monday. How did everything go? Happy. Everything's me. I mean, really. Okay, we're back out of close session. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? Move. Second. All in favor say I. I all opposed.