001room in 2026 to kind of see where SEA1 lands a little bit. Now, SEA1 phases in all the way until 2031. So, it's not like it's well, we know exactly what's going to happen, but also we know LIT's going away after 27, which is the local income tax. That's about 160,000 for us. Um, you know, and again, I'm kind of jumping to see a little bit, but our our, um, circuit breaker, um, so circuit breaker is that percent that pro that part of property tax that you don't get above the 1% 2% 3% caps, right? So, um, historically, Kent Clinton Central's been right around 20,000. In 26, the LSA, um, you know, has us right about 150 160,000. Um, and so just looking at all these these factors, um, kind of that's that's where I'm
002talking and leaning is is saying let's hold off on bus purchases here in 26. I think there's a couple thoughts there. I know Mrs. Boon, Mr. Campbell, and I kind of kicked these around. Yes, you kind of kick the can down the road a little bit when you don't do that, when you don't replace buses. We we are a massive district um, in terms of geographical size. Um, so yes, we do put mileage on miles on buses, but we we utilize our activity buses for a lot of our trips. And so we don't necessarily I mean, when we trade in a bus at 10 years old, it does not have a ton of miles on it. Um, part of that is also with the inspections. We talked about that. So any bus that's under 10
003years of age, um, we have to do an annual inspection. After 10, you have to go to semianual inspections. We are very fortunate, um, that Mr. Campbell is going to work here forever. And so he he's able to keep our buses just, you know, running great, looking great. Um he he was tearing one the whole like rear end pretty much apart all by himself. Um and so, you know, a lot of districts don't have that luxury. So if you see Mr. Campbell, be sure to tell him thank you. Um because, you know, he's able to do a lot of things for us in house that just normally wouldn't be happening. Um we just had bus inspections actually last week. Two weeks ago, Phil, I think was it two weeks ago? Is that right? Um everything
004went great and um and so appreciate the work that Mrs. Piery does as well um on on several of those things. But um just kind of looking at that and thinking, you know, that gives us obviously a lot of flexibility in um if we if we just wait. I think too at the, you know, we can take a look if, you know, if we get towards the very end of the year and we think we've got some flexibility, maybe we do one, you know, or something like that. It this is again not something that's set in stone, you know, or or etched in stone. Um, so it it's just trying to trying to be a little proactive and think through this. Here we are in, you know, early February, got a long long ways ahead
005in in the budget year. Um, and so, um, just kind of looking at that. So, um, I don't know if anybody has any thoughts on it or most of you probably don't ride school buses very often. I mean, >> do we usually have one or two extras for when one does break down? >> I mean, this doesn't hurt anything >> of that, I wouldn't think. But, >> yeah. So, we we typically have >> rotate two, >> maybe even three. I'd have to ask Mr. Camp off the top of my head. big buses and then we typically have a few white buses obviously like there are some days all after school every activity bus is gone right or on the weekends but during the school day we run three of them I think three or four
006maybe I can't remember off top my head do you know Mrs. Pierce is it three >> three >> yeah as a regular route um so there's a lot of those sit back there so you know you do have some flexibility right for some reason but yeah we I mean like Mr. Campbell's had that bus, you know, in the shop for the last week and a half or whatever it's been, you know, but um so we've got some extras and then he had he had kind of mentioned that same thing like maybe I'll kind of maybe rotate some buses around so we're not putting all the miles on maybe trips on just you know if if bus number two up there is the best bus. Well, I know everybody wants to use bus two. Maybe we'll
007rotate those miles a little bit, you know, and that's something we just kind of naturally do anyways just to kind of balance mileage on trips. But again, we use our activity buses here so much um that you know, our activity buses are actually the ones that really rack the miles, not not necessarily our yellow buses. >> Do we have have it? Are we buying any more activity buses? >> No. So, we we bought three last year. Um the next activity bus would be on there until >> I think it's number four >> is number four. >> Oh, yeah. So, four and five. So M8 and M1 are both activity buses. Um so that 2015 one that would be you know that would be getting up there um by that point you know at 2028. I
008mean you'll be 13 years old. Um that that would probably be one of our kind of backup buses and and again it's typically how we do it anyways right. Um and again like I said we might we maybe get to a situation where maybe we do one you know or whatever. Um it's also, you know, we talked about here at the end of 26, we'll have the availability from a geo capacity um to to establish an, you know, to do a geo bond at the end of 26. And so maybe that's part of that conversation too of do use some geo capacity to supplement your operations. Well, if buses are typically in our operations here, maybe we use that for some bus purchases. Um you know, that that is again I think there's different strategies
009to it. There are um some districts they they buy a lot of buses um from geo bonds or or you know you can't you can't do it out of lease bonds um or you'd have to really have ICE Miller really write it creatively I think but um but a lot of a lot of schools will buy buses out of um go um bonds um you know I I I tend to lean personally just towards buying them out out of operation so you're not using debt to buy buses you know but um but again um with with the SEA1 impacting our operations um levy pretty hard, having having that GEO to supplement operations is going to be critical. Um and so, you know, kudos to you guys. You know, we we kind of did that short-term
010geo bond in 24. You know, that pays off this year. That capacity goes up a little bit in 26. Um you know, our AV went up just a couple percent. Um so, capitalize on that. um now and then you know I would suggest again kind of doing another couple year short term again to provide some more flexibility here in a couple years again. So, um, but yeah, there there it's it's it's it's kind of there's some different moving parts there and different ways you can look at it and different strategies. And I think if anybody had a crystal ball and could project out three, five years, you'd say, well, let's def this is definitely the best way to do it now, right? Um, but you know, I think maintaining flexibility is going to be critical.
011Are the buses that full full or half full or >> Some are, some aren't. Um, honestly out here we don't necessarily have full buses. It's just our distance traveled from home to home is so far that if you full filled a bus that route might be two or three hours long, you know, instead of a bus run some activity buses in the outline. >> Yeah, we run three. We we run three now. Um, we ran we used to run four in Frankfurt. >> Yeah, we used to run four. we absorbed a route um as a as just a you know a cost reduction measure. Um but also as a personnel situation because we had no full subs at all. Um and so by absorbing a route um you know this this school year we also
012were able to create a sub position for us that we had somebody to cover routes because otherwise we were pulling some other employees that have CDLs to go drive buses for us. So it's been a we've been able to keep one extra bus off the road. um we're not putting miles on it and stuff. Um obviously we're still spending that same amount of fuel. I mean, right, we're instead of just this bus, we're running this one bus longer. Um but being a little more efficient with time, but also creating a little personnel flexibility, too. So, >> go ahead. Do they look at it every year once enrollment comes in? Do >> a sign of who's writing the bus, who's not? >> Yes. And and it's really I mean it's kind of a moving target in
013a lot of ways, not just >> um not just beginning year because you know if you if you if you go all the way down this road to pick up two kids and and they moved, >> we're not going all the way down that road anymore, you know, and so um you know it's a challenge. >> Yeah. Mr. Campbell's constantly looking at it and I, you know, I'll hear him call in Miss, "Hey, am I am I looking at that one right?" you know, that's, you know, like we could come back around. And so there's there's that constant uh in my mind, I know this is not how they do it, but in my mind it's like a giant map with push pins and they're pulling red yarn around corners, you know, whatever. But um
014but yeah, but then you know you but or you get a a family that moves in, right? And you used to never go that way and all, hey, we got a couple kiddos, you know, they just signed up, you know, enrolled in school, we didn't get them on the bus and so now you're going that way, right? And um and yeah, it's a moving target. I mean all the time but you know but yeah every every year it's obviously kind of a whole fresh look again um you know and then it's little tweaks throughout the year. So >> few years ago after co buses became a very long lead time item. Did all that get fixed? I'm assuming it was mostly supply chain stuff but >> I don't want to take the came down the
015road and then that becomes oh you're two years out on that. >> Yeah. So in 24 um so when I started you guys we were waiting on buses from 23. Correct. Um and so we got those and then we got the 24 buses pretty quick. Um the 25s you know were I mean it it's kind of caught up. It's it's not like you go buy one and it gets delivered next month or something like that. But yeah it's not like you're waiting two years like you used to be. Um you know I don't know in 25 we do you have any idea off the top of your head Mr. Pear? We we we I mean it was a few months certain which we talked to them too. >> Yeah. >> He said they had they
016had things immediately but >> for the activity >> and that wasn't even true cuz we called that. Yeah. You guys uh talked I can't and I won't >> he was just trying to >> say any company name but you guys spoke to one distributor at the ISBA con. Oh yeah we can get those tomorrow. We're like, "Really?" We called him, "Well, if you need this bus with this thing and this thing and this thing and you know, and as long as you only need one seat in it, too, and no and no chips and it's purple and you know, it doesn't have a steering wheel, but yeah. Well, we get it to you tomorrow like you know, it'll be it'll be great." So, um, so yeah, that I mean, yeah, there's still obviously a lead
017time on it, but but yeah, but not not two years, right? >> Not two years like it used to be, certainly. So, so again, we'll I mean, this is kind of um how we're going to kind of I think move forward, but again, we'll just kind of keep that in the back of our mind as as a flexibility piece. Um because you know um operationally when you look at SEA1 impact when you look at you know um I think there's three drivers and I'm I know I'm jumping down to C here quite a bit but um you know when when you look at um just price escalation inflation right we all we all know that go to the grocery store right I mean you know I feel like when I was a kid $100 was
018the grocery cart was overflowing and every goodie you could possibly find and and there was like tons of steak and bacon in there and Now $100 is like three bags and there's no steak and no bacon and it's like cereal and you're like gosh darn and so right we know that right I mean that that's a reality of life and so that's been no different. I think the one thing um I I suppose if Mrs. Boon went and pulled a an expenditures report for 20 um five, you know, uh the 25 26 school year. Um because some things are on school years and some things are on calendar years, but I think the only thing that I know that went down was our insurance >> and that and that was like a shock. We're like,
019whoa, our insurance actually went down this year. U I know our our insurance um rep was was super happy to give me those numbers because the year before he wasn't super happy to give us those numbers. So, um, but you know, everything we know continues to go up. Um, you know, we know SEA1 impacts, um, you know, our our property taxes and and our, um, certified net assessed values. And so that's going to impact greatly our operations, our referendum and our debt service funds. Um, and then like 80 to 90% of the state of Indiana, you know, we're in a declining enrollment situation. And so, um, you know, it last year, um, last school year, um, was the highest enrollment since CO since before CO here. Um, we're down from that, right? But that would
020be kind of hard to almost not expect that. Um, you know, um, we don't see any tons of new housing popping up in our district, right? Um, and so, uh, birth rates are lower than they, you know, they continue to decline. I have a big spreadsheet. I track birth rates in in the county. um and and try to project enrollment five years out. So if you're ever really really bored, um we consider out and we can look at birth rates in the county. Um you know, and so as we look at all three of those factors, I think, you know, one, we're going to have to reduce expenses. Um it's just not a choice. Um we're we're fortunately and and I've jumped a seat completely now. Sorry, Josh. Um but you know, we are in
021a really strong stable financial position with the district. Um but in order to maintain that strong stable financial picture for the district um we are going to have to reduce expenses and so you know it that that's going to look like staffing it's going to look like programming it's going to look like some of the things that we buy equipment things like that and so um I I'll be putting out probably additional um information probably over the next month or so um to try to you know where where we can um look at expenses and things like that. Um you guys do have one just attachment in there in your agenda um under item C and that's just the LSA report. You'll probably have to download it so you can turn it or you'll be
022like me a few months ago where you're trying to turn it on a screen and the iPad keeps turning. >> You can do it >> and can you do it on the program? >> So that's just the LSA report that and and there's obviously a lot of districts on that one, but that's just the page that uh our district falls under. And so you can see just historically um again that circuit breaker um again that's the the the part above the tax um tax caps um tra traditionally right around 20,000 but um that projection is right around 150,000 for um 2026. So just just a lot of factors that are coming in and and you know um it's certainly if if anybody's really passionate about it feel free to reach out to your state representative
023or state senator and uh ask them a couple things. I would ask them to protect the debt service fund. Um for for schools um the uh the debt service fund is is right now impacted by SEA1 and that's how schools and towns and all taxing units make our debt payments. um standards and pores has already said, you know, this will cause mass financial issues in the state of Indiana. Um you know, because you will have um taxing entities not able to pay their debt service uh payments. And so um you could ask that, but you could also ask um you know, to uh reduce the impacts of SEA1 directly on school districts. um you know as the as we continue to raise prices but that's not an impact you know that's that's not one singular
024group's control but our state legislature continues to put um you know mandates on public schools that are unfunded you know I know Mr. Sh and I look back and see him, he was he was researching one that I talked to you guys about last month with some technology initiatives um you know as we continue to have to raise um you know teacher uh salaries and we absolutely want to do that but but all these things again they all play a part and so um you know Mrs. Boon and I um have been continuing to look at you know ways to reduce expenses um for the district and and so we will have to be making some hard decisions. Um everybody likes more Um, everybody I've never met a person that didn't like more. Unless you
025unless you've just ate too much and then, you know, somebody offers you dessert and maybe you're like, "Okay, maybe maybe maybe I'm done." But, um, you know, I if I ask my kids if they want more of something, I I don't think they've ever told me no. Um, so, but getting cut, you know, is hard, right? And making cuts are difficult and and really taking a hard look at programs and positions and and and things that we just buy. Um those are those are hard conversations. Um our administrative team, we've already kind of started to have some of those. Um and so those are hard, right? Because we we all certainly have things we feel strongly about and other things that maybe I don't feel strongly about, but you feel strongly about. And so having
026a lot of those hard conversations. So sorry I've completely gone from A to C. Uh but happy to talk about, you know, item C financial update um as well. So Is this something that we can share with everybody? >> Yeah, that that is public knowledge that that's just comes from the legislative services agency. So, um that is not like that that's a that's a forecast, you know what I mean? It's not something that's touching stone and but again, it's just kind of another one of those um pieces of information out there that, you know, we're kind of looking at. So, but it's it kind of matches pretty closely to like what policy analytics um shared with us as well when when it comes to you know um impact on our operations and debt service fund
027too. So, >> and somebody in the parking lot is enjoying driving. >> It was your kid. >> So, questions on just financial updates or or the bus replacement plan? Sorry. Not for me. >> Um, item B on there was just ISBA quarterly updates. I just uh I wanted to share all those with you guys. Last year we did these in February if you remember. We had um I think it was items like A through double H or something. I don't remember. There was a lot. So I will be um uh asking uh Mr. Eaton and Mrs. Krenshaw that meet with me um as the as the policy uh committee reps and we'll start digging through those hopefully uh the plan would be to take those updates and and bring them at the March board meeting.
028Um, you know, again, some of those are, um, there was actually specifically one this year, um, and they would have called it like the education cleanup bill, and it's the very last attachment there. And there was just a lot of things they kind of took out, and and it was old stuff that was in law, um, that you just don't even hardly do anymore, or don't do at all. And so, it was kind of cleaning up recommendations from those things. And then some of the others are just, you know, their regular quarterly updates um from ISBA guidance from uh from their three staff attorneys just, hey, here's some here's some things that have either been case law or passed in, um state law or federal law that impact policies. And so, um we'll plan on
029working through those and then uh bring those in in March. So, certainly I just want to give you guys all of them. So, if there's, you know, if you if you got some time for some light reading, feel free to take a look through them. And, you know, if there's specific ones we would we need to take a little more look at. Um, some again, like you you've got required policies and then you've got kind of ones that are kind of recommended and then some that are just kind of optional, too. So, so anyways, I just wanted to share those and give you guys some time to look at them too and that way, you know, month out or so before we kind of really start to consider them. So, and we'll see if we
030can have A through double H again or something. However many there are this year. So, >> I didn't count the policies, but there's 45 pages. >> Yeah. >> Is that just in the first attachment or >> No, that's okay. >> So, >> I get tired of reading them on the screen, so I printed them. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't do it on the screen. I'm I'm a paper guy, so 100%. I think we're down to items from superintendent then. >> Yeah, I just a couple things um that I didn't include here, but I will I wanted to mention I guess one two while this is public. Um the 26 27 school calendar. I'll I'll bring that guys uh for you on uh next week's regular board meeting to look at. Um I I I
031got one one call um well not a call, one personal conversation about the 2526 calendar. Um cuz it said no school or makeup day. And I read that as steak or chicken, right? You you don't do both or whatever. Like no school or makeup day. And the one conversation is like oh I read it like no there's no school or no makeup day. And I was like >> okay sorry about that. Like whatever. Friday is a makeup day. Uh, we're we're making up a school day. Um, so I will bring you guys the 26 27 because it says that same thing, but I'm going to put no school parenthesy possible snow makeup day parenthesy. It's really clear like this is a possible snow makeup day. Don't make plans. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so anyways,
032I will uh I will have that for you um next week in our regular board meeting. Um, also just wanted to, I guess, give a a little um, brief um, update uh, from a school safety standpoint. Certainly appreciate um, all those folks that have reached out to me um, with questions and and to share feedback um, in regards to um, a recent school safety um, concern here we've had in the district. And so I actually had um, couple great meetings with um, families today and and really appreciated getting that feedback. Um, I will be sending out an email um to all parents um and staff members either this evening, we'll see um or or tomorrow um just with some additional information um kind of with a little bit more specifics but but again not um
033not anything that is going to be real specific as as I can't share those things um due to to the law u but just to give a little bit more um things that you know what we do as a district all all the different safety protocols that we have in place. We we've made um I would say tremendous strides in the last year and a half um with with school safety and and a lot of things that we've put in place and um met with our entire high school staff on Friday. Met with our entire elementary staff this morning before school. Certainly appreciate just the feedback that that came from those two groups too and and questions asked. And so um certainly I I would you know um also want to say thank you to
034the Clinton County Sheriff's Department. Um so for their support um just you know I I had a conversation with Lieutenant Farllo just a little bit ago and just again just reiterating um our thanks to them um for for supporting us as a public school um and and the way that they partner with us and and um so again thanks to them but um you know I want to assure families um that you know as a father and as a parent or as a father sorry and as a husband uh both my kids go to public school My wife teaches in a public school. I work in a public school. Um, you know, it there is nothing more important than the safety of our students and staff. Um, you know, I I I met with a
035great couple uh this afternoon. Uh, we kind of got sidetracked and we we talked about some other stuff too about HVAC equipment. So, I I certainly actually going to be making a call tomorrow. uh but um got sidetracked a little bit but um really appreciated their feedback and and getting to hear from them you know their perspective as parents. Um but you know I want I want wanted to share you know um that um you know my kids go to school every day. You know I want them to be safe. My wife goes to work at a school every day. I go to school every day. Um we want to be safe. We want our students to be safe. Um and and the other thing that I shared with them is um you know in
036in 10 years if if I'm fortunate enough and the Lord blesses me enough I'll be retired in fishing. Um and and you know at the end of the day um I will lay my head down at night and and say man nothing happened on my watch to children. and if they learn something, added bonus. Um, but I'm probably not going to be in my retirement age worried about what SAT scores or I read or I learn or things like that, right? And so, um, I I certainly appreciate, um, the 850ish children that come to school every day here and and we hope to return them safely to their parents every single day, just like I hope that for my children. Um, and so, you know, I I wanted to share that with you guys, but
037also the community. Um, that is not something I take lightly. It's not something the 160ish employees here take lightly. Um, we have a lot of kids come in here every day to our schools and and we're entrusted with their safety and and I believe we do that every day. I certainly appreciate all of our 160 employees and they're they're diligent um to ensuring the safety of our students. Um certainly would be happy to meet with anybody that has questions or concerns or wants to share um you know their perspective. As parents, we all bring a different perspective to everything in life, right? Um, you know, I I love to to hunt and fish. Um, and I and I certainly bring a perspective to that when I look at the outdoors. I see it as a
038potential place to go hunting and fishing when I'm driving down the road. Um, somebody else might not look at that that way, you know, and and so we all bring a perspective to everything in life. And so I I think all those perspectives are important and and school safety is no different. And so, um, just want to share that with you guys. Again, I'll be sending something out um maybe this evening or or probably likely tomorrow um just with some more updates and and but also just wanted to share all the great things that we do every day here at school um to ensure the safety of our students and staff. So, and that's all I have. So, items from board members. I've got one. Let me go first. >> Go ahead. Um, so Amy,
039Travis, and I had a meeting with Roger Klein about policy number 3060. Um, he proposed making a small change to the end of it. Um uh concerning staff may request a meeting with the superintendent who will help bring the matter forward to the school board through the appropriate process. Um he said he would feel better if we had that that needed to be in writing the request to the superintendent. I don't disagree. I was kind of surprised it wasn't already that way. I thought it was. Maybe it wasn't an earlier edition of it, but so if you guys don't have a problem with it, I'd like to amend that next meeting to say the request needs to be in writing >> to the superintendent. So that's all I got. >> So that would be added
040to the agenda for Monday and >> then we'd have to vote on it. >> Yeah. So, if anybody's got an objection to that, >> and I'll say it was a it was a really nice meeting with Roger. It was nice to be able to discuss stuff and have a back and forth. >> Anybody else got anything? I would just like to have Levi give us an update on the sound acoustics um >> stuff. I know you told us, but I think it's important >> because we get questions about that all the time and >> I'm in gyms a lot and I've been taking pictures of their acoustic boards or I noticed that a lot of the gyms have a slit in their masonary blocks which is like what we have in gym 2. which may
041be why our acoustics are better in gym two than gym one. Not that we can do that, >> but if we ever do have to modify those ends, you know, maybe that's a possibility, but >> Levi had given us an option of putting some acoustic boards up, but it is very, very expensive and we're trying to cut costs right now. So, but we have to have a gym that works and you can hear in. So I just wondered if you could share that with us. >> Yeah. So yeah, I the the uh the slit masonary box or acoustical block um actually cuz in gym 2 I never knew what they were. Um there is an old um if you go out to the the um at the end of the hallway, there's an old vested
042on the very end of the hallway, right? That that that new hallway now connects. If you went outside and looked above it, there's an old set of louvers up there. I don't know if you guys remember that when I told you it was raining on my head one day in there and I was like, "How are we getting rain here?" If you come in on the inside of gym 2, there is just a big sheet piece of sheet metal up there. Just covered the hole up over the years. And I was like I was talking to the contractors and I said, "Hey, can can we just remove that? Can we, you know, wall that up?" You know, whatever. And >> they're like, "But do you want acoustical block?" And I was like, "No, I just
043want block whatever." They're like, "Oh, that's all acoustical block." And I was like, "Oh, I didn't know that. It's the the slits in there or whatever." I learned something. I was like, "Okay." >> A picture never western moon. >> I just thought it was a fancy >> cinder block. I didn't, you know, whatever. So, um, so yeah, obviously it's not something you can go back and retroactively do. Um, so >> we can't get a saw out. I >> I suppose you could. I mean, you know, or a grinder and just start grinding a lot of little holes. But I, you know, I I think I'd be worried about the >> the integrity probably of the block, but uh but no, so um over um Christmas break, um Havstick Designs, which is an acoustical engineering firm,
044came in, um did a bunch of acoustic testing in the gym, which again, we we knew that was something we'd have to take a look at. I think it's it's it's certainly worse than I what I expected. Um and and so they came in, they've provided us a report um back and recommendations about acoustical panels because again now the the gym is just now a big square block, you know, with with no um no soft edges at all. There's no roundedness to it, you know. Um there's a there's a gym just west of here in a town that's the county seat. I can't mention it like as a rival. just can't say the word, but there's gym they have a do ceiling for example that you know impacts the acoustics of that gym um or
045you see acoustic panels in other gyms and things like that you know um so they they gave us some recommendations on that um we talked through that I was able to get um a quote um on they they're recommending wall panels and then um panels up on the ceiling um and then was able to get quotes for those um and and then worked with a contractor about the install and what that might look like. The wall panels was something we could do relatively quickly, but it was also like, hey, you need to order in the next three or four days if you wanted to try to do anything like before we host basketball sectionals, for example. Um, and it just I didn't didn't want to just make this knee-jerk reaction, you know, without kind of
046thinking through that a little bit. And and uh so after after we talked and talked and talked and I appreciated some feedback from you guys, um I said, let's just let's just hold off again. Let's let's make a smart decision here. Um in in that I had Havstick Designs acoustical firm um Fairchild Communications who was um the installer of the sound system. Um and then KR and the architecture firm. They were kind of all in that together in conversation. So um and then Hearn Construction, >> they were here at the same time, right? >> Hstick and Fairchild were. Yeah. >> Which is the acoustic and the sound. >> Correct. Yep. Yep. And so they they talked about the sound system. Yeah. and and you know I said is there any concern I was asking um
047that Havstick guys and I you know it was a firm that was just recommended to us you know I've never done acoustical testing or things like that but um I said hey before they get here is there any is there any concerns or issues with the sound system and they're like no you have all JBL speakers it's crown amps it's you know this and this was like okay and um so then you know they did their acoustical they're like yeah it's really bad acoustics in here I can tell you that before we even start, you know, whatever. And and um you know, definitely need some sound treatment, you know, whatever. And and and again, we and I talked to them and they kind of did their testing based off of I said, you know, we
048don't have an auditorium, right? And so it's a gym and it's also a place for our choir and band, you know, to to have concerts. And so, um you know, that changes what their recommendations are, right? Um, you know, if if you talk to um, you know, I know coach Berlin game loves it, you know, he's like, I love it. It's loud, you know, you know, but I'm only the basketball coach, you know, whatever. If you if you talk to Mr. Duke or Mr. Jackson, gosh, it's terrible, you know. Um, so trying to find that sweet spot, you know, of um, you know, where where it's still a gym and it's still you get that environment, right, whatever, but yet you can still use it for these other um these other functions as well. So,
049>> or graduation. >> Yeah. Or graduation, right? >> Here. Yep. >> Their names. >> Yep. >> Or >> so trying to just talk through that. But again, um, with the the panels on the ceiling, that's not something you're just going to like just do real quick. You got to bring in lifts and, you know, do all that stuff. And, but it's part of a bigger picture as we look at that reports back from RC Engineers and and talk with them about, you know, what's that walls look like? So, my my thought was maybe at at a at a next work session or something if I could just get all those folks to come in and they they've all said it. They're they're more than happy to come in and just talk through that with you
050guys to understand kind of the pros and cons, not only the acoustics, but the wall, you know, the the structural pieces from RC from, you know, what it looks like on the contractor side, you know what, you know, the not only not only just pricing of it, but also just, you know, how you would do it and the staging of a project and, you know, sequencing and things like that, too. So, um, >> are they out of Indie? >> Who is that? >> Either one. So KRM is they have offices in Indie and Anderson. Um Hearn is out of Cookamo. Um RC, do you know Travis? >> Fishers. Um Hstick is out of Indie. >> Is there a chance they would come like in the evening when we have a game going on and we
051have people? >> I Yeah, I saw I'm gonna I'm gonna reach out to them and see if I can get them to come. I don't know if I can. >> I think it's different. >> Yeah. Oh, 100%. 100%. Yeah, it's different in an empty gym versus when you put, you know, bodies in the gym, right? you know, and stuff like that. >> I was talking to Amy about it and, you know, it's it could be just as simple as >> we're pushing the sound too hard, you know, to the too much volume. >> And so when they're in here, >> like the equalizer set, all right, you know, fine. But we want >> loud music. So they turn it up and now it's >> like >> not mixed. Right. >> Right. Right. Right. >> It's
052like the car going down the road that you hear their trunk rattling or whatever. >> 1990s. Yeah. trunks. >> The hesitation that that I would have >> mark it for us like put tape on the >> well and it's I think it's different too of right like like I used to help with our sound in our church like it's different in an empty place versus a full place you know you adjust some things and you know and and you know I'm certainly >> not a sound engineer. I don't know if anybody wants to sign up for that job. Like, hey, can you perfectly balance that or EQ it, you know, whatever. And I don't expect, you know, our athletic workers or our coaches or the folks that are sitting in, hey, can you can you
053get that EQed perfectly somehow, but but again, maybe they can come in. May maybe I can I certainly will ask them like, hey, would you come in at night? Like, I'll get you free popcorn and a hot dog. Like, you know, I heard the pretzels are good and can you can you come in, you know, do some things while you're while we got a full gym. So, but yeah, I my thought was just to kind of get all those um different folks because I think it's you've got like a few different things out there and kind of where do they all tie in together? >> What makes the most sense? >> I mean, part of the hesitation is you spend >> you spend that money, how do we know that it's actually going to do
054it? like, >> right. >> Is there a possibility of them, you know, drop dropping some cloth against the walls and and seeing if it makes any difference? And, you know, I >> suppose you can. >> I mean, just to break it up to see if it's >> Amy said she's got or Katie said, sorry, I don't know why I said Katie said she's got all kinds of blankets at home in the living room. She just hold a bunch of like staple duct tape them to the wall. >> Yeah. Yeah. As long as you command strip them, it's fine. But no, I mean, yeah, and that's that is I mean, obviously, right, they run all their testing, but it's based off a whole lot of things they're inputting in their modeling, right? But it's >> Yeah,
055it's not like you can say that thing will do exactly what we think it will. You know what I mean? So, >> I tal I reached out to Michael Griffy. >> Yeah. >> Because, you know, he does all the pads for >> everything. And he has the company that he buys his stuff from also does sound. >> Oh, okay. >> Foam. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I don't even know, you're the one who gave said that someone had mentioned him. >> I don't even remember who mentioned. >> I don't know who mentioned it. I thought maybe Travis knew, but he didn't. So anyway, I went ahead and called him. And he can do it very reasonably with like an a thin and put it in the ceiling, but it's not going to be pretty. It's going
056to be it would be black because he said white turns yellow. Oh, >> so black would only be the option. >> Gray turn, >> but it would be reasonable. I mean, we >> like a puke green. >> We could try it and see if the >> That is honestly the most expensive part is obviously bringing the lifts in, protecting the floor again, getting up in there, you know. So, that was, you know, it was um the panels for the walls. They were they were I think they were calling for 70 of them. um you know with that and the install it was you know somewhere between that like 35 and $40,000 mark but you were talking way more money to bring a big probably articulating you know boom lift that you could maybe kind of
057put in the middle and be able to reach around you know what I mean um and then there was a question of you know go back to my my previous position and they talked about the sound company said well yeah they just screw straight to the deck and I'm like I don't like screwing straight to the deck because then I'm man, it's a whole lot of penetrations on a deck, you know, and ideally, as long as your roof's good, you shouldn't have leaks, but it's still penetrations on a deck, you know, shaking his head. And so then we said, well, you could unistrut them across all the rafters and put them. But then now you're much more labor intensive and and you know, yes, cost, but um a lot more labor intensive to unistrut it
058across and unistruts are just the bars that you just go rafter to rafter and then, you know, bolt them onto those things. So um but you know, the the ones they have white. They were meant to stay white. You know, you put them up there, they kind of disappear. But they also talked about you could do the curtain thing and kind of ruins the concept of having the open ceiling, right? If you put the the giant curtains in there, I feel like it feels like auditoriumish, not gym, you know? And so again, I just thought if I can get all those folks together, um, so maybe next week if we can look at calendars to set a March work session so I can try to give them some notice to when I can get everybody
059here just so they can each share kind of their different specialty, you know what I mean? And and try to answer some questions. >> It would be great just because we get hit with questions all the time about it and I don't have a good answer. >> Sure. 100%. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Anybody else got anything? Well, we got a motion to adjurnn. >> Move to second. >> By Amy, seconded by Travis. All those in favor say I. I >> meeting adjourned 550.