001I'm going to call the uh special meeting of the city of Udica uh board of education to order. And uh I'd ask that uh we stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Call the role, please. Mr. Jason Cooper here. Mr. Donald is excused absent. Mr. Joseph Jr. here. Mrs. Tamil here. Mr. Braden here. Mrs. Danielle here. And Mr. James Paul here. Okay. I need a motion to go into executive session to talk about attorney client communication, the employment history of particular people, legal matters, and student appeal. Move it. Second. All in favor? Opposed? We're now in executive session to adjourn the special meeting. Motion to
002second. Second. All in favor? I. Okay, we are adjourned. Now, I'd like to welcome everybody to the regular meeting of the board of education of the Udica City School District. Um, we were going to have the presentation of colors, but apparently the uh I'm told that the weather was not cooperating. There were supposed to be thunderstorms and a bunch of other things. So, um, we waved off uh we waved them off today. Um, so what I'd like to do is have everyone stand and say the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Could the clerk call the role, please? Mr. Jason here. Mr. Donald's excuse access. Mr. Joseph Jr.
003here. Mrs. Denil here. Mr. Braden here. Mrs. Danielle here, Mr. James Paul here, and our student reply is excused. Oh, yeah. Okay, we have a quorum. Um, we're going to take the uh agenda out of order. Um, I I believe uh Lynn's not here today, so we will not be having a representative of the uh student representative provide a report today. Um, we're going to need a motion to go back into executive session for the purpose of uh discussing attorney client communication, employment history of particular people, legal matters, and a student appeal. Move that. Second. All in favor? Hi. Yeah, we'll do that next. Move it. I need a motion to come out of executive session. Second. All in favor? Okay. Um I need a motion to table the immemoriam and the certificate of rec
004recognitions at number three and five until next month. Move it. Second. All in favor? I. Okay. So carried. Um, speaking of that, I need a motion to set the regular meeting of the board for May 22nd. Is it May 22nd? 21st. May 21st for those listening. May 21st at 5:30 and that will be here. Um, so I need that that's going to be the regular meeting. So obviously notices will have to go out. Um and so I I do I have that motion? Who made the motion? Second. Okay. Any discussion? All in favor? Okay. The motion passes. So um there is no one signed up for public comment. And now uh we're going to talk about the presentations. Someone's going to do a capital project update um and uh reports on uh the esser funded
005projects which is CTE 2024 capital improvements future capital improvement projects and up at the deis the deis ready to go. Mike's going to go first. Mike is going. Okay. All right. We're talking playgrounds. Outdoor learning spaces. Outdoor learning spaces. Yeah. So, I'm just going to give a quick presentation on uh the proposed outdoor learning uh centers for the playgrounds replacement to the district building. So, So we started the process about um almost 12 months ago. Um it's pretty detailed process. Um and this is how we uh started it. So we had input from the principles and the FAC committees um on the needs of the new new playgrounds districtwide. So, some of the things you'll see on here, and I'm not going to read it for later, but I'll go through some of it. So,
006basically, all the buildings are the same thing. They needed more equipment. There wasn't enough room for uh each class or more than one class to do anything outside. Um, we needed some sensory equipment for the 121 and 81 classrooms. We needed some shaded areas and benches so when they were outside, they can have those areas uh to either do work in or read or just relax. So, um some of the things um that we're going to be installing basketball hoops, uh Gaga ball pit, that's a big three foot fence where they put the balls each other basically, hopscotch, horseware, and some other activities. So, um, really working back and forth with the building principal, the FAC committees, taking their input, putting the designs together, met with the committees again. So, we started this process about
00712 months ago. I we just met with the committees again over the last three weeks over to the designs. We'll show you some renderings of the 3D renderings of of what's proposed. We'll we'll finish these up, get ready for SED approval, and then we'll we'll start uh work um as soon as we get that approval from SED. Yep. Can you go back to your slide, please? Sure. I see. Need wheel wheelchair accessible equipment at buildings with students who use wheelchairs. That's not all buildings. So, all buildings are going to be wheelchair accessible, but some of the buildings have higher needs. So there'll be more equipment because there are more classrooms in some of the some of those buildings. So we're just looking at taking a snapshot of time right now. No, so all the buildings
008are going to be handicapped accessible and have accessory equipment and um all the stuff that's needed for that. But there are classrooms that are in certain schools that have been there. Classrooms are not play areas. No, no. I'm trying to correlate the classroom with with the need of the equipment. So for Jefferson, I'm just going to give you an example. Our special ed um summer school is at Jefferson and there's 121 classrooms that have been there since the dawn of time. So we're going to we we're adding some more of that equipment in those buildings than we would in some other buildings because there's a higher need in those. Okay. Higher concentration. will be available at all buildings. Correct. You were just saying some will have more more equipment. Correct. And and again because Jefferson
009we have summer school there for the special ed. So obviously and it it's always been there. So that that makes clear that up for the most part. So here's the uh existing um play area at uh Albany. So, we're going to expand the existing playground and place the the surface material. We're going to add some equipment where there's like a dead space against the wall where you really can't do nothing with. So, um here here's the rendering. So, we're going to keep the existing Sorry, not the microphone. I can't really see that. So, this is the 3D rendering of the new equipment in the layout. So, we're going to keep the existing climbing structure because it is uh really hasn't aged out. It just needs some small repairs. And then we're going to add on
010you'll see the spaces over there. So, we're going to expand uh pretty significantly pointer on over here. It's going to be almost double in size. I don't know if you know where the area is on the perfect. So along the wall at Albany, uh I don't know if you're familiar, there's a dead space there you really can't do much with. So we're going to put some musical uh drum flower and flowers and some drums over there. Try to utilize as much space as we can, especially if it's dead space. Uh I got some canopy areas. So when they're set up benches, they have a little shape. So Columbus, this is the existing structure. Uh if anybody's familiar with Columbus, it gets very wet back there and sometimes play ground, you can't even use it. So,
011uh we're going to rip this whole playground out. Uh we're going to clean up the basketball area. We're going to raise the grade up, change the drainage, uh and uh we're going to replace all the existing equipment. So, this is a new concept for there. As you can see, it's pretty good size. These are all the new, I guess, apparatuses that we're going to be installing. Uh, we're going to also put this turf material down. We used it at Hughes. Obviously, the black surface material is is is nice. You know, it's not as um rough on the skin as black top, but we noticed that the the turf is really a good product. It drains well. The impact on it is is good. and it's easy to clean up and you can get more use
012out of it during the year. This is Col. This is a Conklin. We're going to replace the existing playground. It's another muddy playground. You can see over here, this is the kids play over here a lot. So, we'll show you on the next rendering. This is all going to get ripped out. Uh we're expand the whole footprint and we're going to add more uh again some sensory equipment. And we're really going to try to focus on all the playgrounds with the ADA and making them a like a preK to to sixth grade. So you can get all those wide ranges. So you can see here the we're basically going to take that whole footprint of of what's there now and turf the whole thing. We're going to put a little uh bench area here with
013a basketball hoop. And then this area here, this is where the playground is existing. So this is area there. Nate, go back one second. So that's this area here. They tend to play here. It was never meant to be a play area, but it's it's there's not a lot of green space at Conlet. So we're going to let me go back. We're going to turf that so they have somewhere to play. Um any questions on that one? So, Herkimer, this is another one that uh we're going to replace the equipment and create uh playground with the everybody wants more challenges for the kids to do it and maximize the space. So, this is another one. It's pretty old. We're going to rip it all out, but and that's the uh that's the new one. So,
014you can see all the new apparatuses, swing sets. We're going to make all again with the ADA compliance part of it. We're going to make sure they all flow in from the sidewalks. Now, we're kind of using um just material to ramp them in. Now, we're going to grade them right with the sidewalk so there's no uh no curbs on them, I guess I would say. And then uh I just want to bring up one other thing. All the playgrounds will be fenced in districtwide as we move forward. Questions on that one? Yeah, just on that point too, and I know this doesn't really have anything to do with this right now, but when we're talking about fence, have we put anything up at General right now, like a jersey fence, anything right now for
015some of those students so that they can go out? I know that that was um about Jefferson or General General. Yeah. So, there's there's not um physical barriers there right now. [Music] a pipe right down there that has been there forever, but we're not we're not going to really install anything because it shortly. So, um staff's aware. Okay. Talking about the roadside. Yes, there's the roadside there and I know that's been a concern. Yeah. I didn't know if there was anything that we could just put up for this year. We could put a we well we could put a temporary fence up but we're you know we're hoping with FCD approval if things go well we're hoping that we get some of these in this year. That's the goal. Like this year this summer like
016not so well we would we would hopefully definitely by fall. Okay. And depending on the approvals. So that's where with that. So we could definitely look into put temporarily. Thank you. for sure. Jefferson again uh this is one that we are keeping the existing uh slide and um monkey bars. The reason why this is another one that we put in I think in the 2010 project that hasn't exceeded its life yet expectancy. So this is going to stay. All the serving material is going to be changed and then uh we're going to expand this footprint too so quickly. So you you can see here we're going to add um this whole section over here which it didn't doesn't look very big but it is pretty substantial. Um you see the donut whatever they I don't
017even know what they call it to be honest they got so many different names for this stuff. So it's like a tube go back for one second and then this area over here in conjunction with the existing playground that's there already just changing the surface material. some of those. Next ones, this is Jones. Um, this is another one. It's fairly new. This one was uh paid for by the PT PTA at the area. And again, this hasn't exceeded its life. It just needs a little uh finetuning, which we'll do over the project. And then this is another one that we're going to this is going to be removed in these um here next week. This is a pretty substantial one too that we're going to add on to here. So these are all the new
018jungle gyms, canopies, sensory equipment, and all that. So that's another good size one and they had the space to do it also. And then Kernan, Kernan is a fairly new one. It was 2020. You reinstalled the one in the back here. We notice there's a there's a good size section here that nobody's really using other than to run around with. So input from the buildings. We're going to go ahead and go to the next one. We're going to add uh we're going to add this to to this section. This is blacked out, but that's the existing one that's here. And then this is the new section here. We again from talking to the principles and the faculty, a lot of the black serving material is very hot. very hot in the end of summer, super
019hot in the spring too when when when the sun's out at full peak. And um this is just a better servicing material for for all the buildings. And then uh MLK, this is the existing playground. We added uh onto this two years ago. We put a small add-on in the middle and then we're going to expand the rest of the scope with that. So, so that we're going to end up replacing the whole older structure right here. This is existing right now. We have this center canopy already here. We're going to leave that. We're going to change this one out here with this is the new one. And then this is another one with the swing set to add. This goes all this right here. That's really going to expand that play area, too. And
020then Watson, this is probably the worst one in the whole district. We at the time of the last capital project. We took this playground out and reinstalled it because there wasn't enough funds to to do the playground at the time. So this is probably one of the oldest playgrounds in the district. Um this is the new one. This is another substantial area for So you can see the the footprint of this is rather large. We're going to add because they do have a room on the property. We're going to add this basketball area there. You putting basketball in there? Yep. This is going to be a basketball little basketball area there. It's not going to be like a full size or it's going to be a um a shoot around I guess I would say
021for that. I just ask is Kimble Park is a block open. Uh this is just input from and again these are going to be the outdoor learning center. So they're going to be activities outside whether the gym class is outside. though it gives them more options. You're putting like a half court there. Is that what you're doing? Like a like a shoot around. It's not going to be like a game, right? So, any questions about that? I mean, there's substantial improvements to to each playground uh in every building. Uh you don't see Hughes on here because we we Hughes was already done. So, that if anybody's thinking why they're not on there, that's one of the reasons why So again the these are all designed and phased with input from the building principles with the
022district administration with the FAC committees reviewed with the FAC's last month I went to every building reviewed these concepts with them took some notes on some small tweaks we're bringing those back with the architect and CNS and the playground architects architects and then we'll do the final uh rendering and drawings for those in the next couple weeks here. Mike, I have one question. Um, pending state approval and all that good stuff. Is there a pipeline which school, which year? So, like, do we have a subset of our our thoughts to say, okay, we're going to focus on these three build, you know, these three buildings at this point. And then, so, so it's really going to be depending on how the projects come back. So we have things in mind how they should be replaced
023either by age or by need or whatever their that case may be but if one comes back way sooner than another we may have to pivot a little bit. So you know that's just going to be how how the permits come back from SED but you know we do have a plan either way on on how to um execute that. So again our next steps uh we review the final uh concepts and proposals. We did it with the uh buildings and grounds committee. Uh we're going to take what we took from the FAC committees with the small changes or requests if we could do them. Uh review them here at the district with the design team. Uh then we'll develop a timeline uh for replacement. You know, BA says on user need, but it's really
024going to be based on SE approval at this point. So that changed a little bit. Thank you, Mike. You're welcome. Thank you, buddy. Great. Um, so I'll just give a quick update here on the CT edition. Um so there are three change orders um included in your packet this evening. Um these photos uh and these have been described uh in the December, January and February updates. Um so um two of the change orders uh are for the additional sheetrock infill um like you can see in this photo here. Um and then um throughout there's actually some tucked in here uh as well. Um so that's the larger of the two. Uh and then um the masonary repairs again you can see in these photos right of the masonary work that needs to be um repaired
025in that space. Um and then um there's also a change order in there to add interior signage and wayfinding. So, room signage and wayfinding within the addition. There wasn't anything uh included um in the base contract for that. Um and then the um design team and the district's uh team got together post bid and sorted out what they wanted um for those locations. So, um those are the three change orders um that are over 25,000 that are included uh tonight. So, any questions on any of those? I do have a couple questions. Okay. Um, the first one, the 68,000, this is the one that was already approved for 74,000 and this is just now the actual amount, adjusted amount, correct? Okay. Yeah. And I um Yeah, I don't believe you approved the 74. I think
026we gave you notice that um we had received a proposal for 74 and that we were going to do the work time and material. So this is the actual um labor and material cost uh to do that work. So it was less than what was initially received. Right. And then the masonry repairs went hand in hand with that one. Yes. Yes sir. what what is the process by which this interior signage came about? So there was not anything included in the basement documents, right? We knew that we would need an interior signage package, right, for both identifying rooms and for finding your way through the building. So post bid, Mike got with Labella um and put together the So we we we deliberately left the way signage out for a couple reasons. One, we weren't
027sure on the signage that we were going to want. Um we're changing some of the district signs in the elementary buildings. We're going from uh hanging signs on the ceiling for identification. They make the building more friendly instead of just a wall sign. So, we uh were kind of like not sure which direction we wanted to go. We didn't want to bid for that way signage and then change it all cuz you you know the credit would wouldn't be what it should be. So, we just left it out. Okay. So, we left it out because we weren't sure what kind of signs we wanted. Yeah. The district left it out on that was on purpose. We had the architect delete it because we weren't ex, you know, we weren't on the same page on what
028signage we really wanted for the building. Okay. Those are the questions on the ones that we have to approve tonight. I did have a question later once you finish on one of the ones that has already been approved but that's under 25,000. Sure. Yeah, I can take it now if you want. Do you want to take it now? Sure. Um, this is this is the $9,142.68 change order for the reertification of existing door frames to make them fire to make sure that they were fire rated or can you explain how that came about? What the process was that we discovered that? So, there was a series of existing doors and frames in that space that don't have tags on them in order to be a fire rated tag or in order to be considered fire
029rated, right? The door and the frame has to have a tag on it. So, once we got into it, those doors were identified that they didn't, you can hire a right, a company to come in and certify them and essentially aix tags to the doors and frames. So these were within the renovation or within the addition? Uh within the renovation. Okay. They're existing. These are the ones that were painted over. So So they're correct. They're existing frames. Some of the ones that we left in originally we were going to change all the doors and frames and then we went back and looked at some of the doors and frames that we didn't need to rip all the frames out. Right. To and then you would have masonry repairs, door frame repairs. Frames were okay. The
030doors were not. You could change existing doors. You could leave the existing frames, but they got to be reertified on the frames because just the years of some of the long just how many years the frames have been there. The tags either been painted on or you can't see them anymore and you got to get them reertified and you can't just put a tag back on them. It's Yep. I'm getting confused a little bit because I know that we already approved one change order, correct? Back in when those are for the doors. That was like $30,000. Correct. To to actually replace the door. Correct. So this was then to certify the frames of the doors. The frames. So the frames of the doors got to be certified. Also they they're in the hallways. They got
031to be fire rated. Okay. So I'm going to be honest with you. We know they're fire rated, but the the tags have either been painted on, scratched off from the door opening, closing. You can't read them very well. And you to reopen the building and get the certificate occupancy, you got to have them retected. This part of the process. Okay. So these were the frames for the doors that we replaced. Correct. So they're existing frames that we're only replacing the doors on. The other change order was just for the doors. We left the frames. I think we saved the I don't know what because if we pull the frames out, it'd be 6,000 for the frames plus all the masonry that goes along with the frame. And we determined at one of the committee meetings,
032um, I don't know who was there, but we did a committee meeting walk through. We were looking at some of the frames. They were in decent shape. You better resertify them than just rip them, you know, rip them all out. Got Thank you. Um, so just some progress photos. Uh, here's the exterior of the building. Um, if you've driven by uh recently, you'll notice that the additions really kind of starting to blend in to the rest of the building. Um, you can't really see the the gray addition anymore. Uh, cuz the masonary has turned the corner um and advanced along that elevation. Um, interior. Um, so you can see all the sheetrock or most of the sheetrocks in place. Uh there's painting started um in the this is in the addition. Um so they're starting
033to make good good progress in the renovated portion. Uh you can see the the painting. Um and obviously the MEP work is still going on. We've got uh ceramic tile taking place in the corridors. So we we've turned the corner from demolition and roughing uh and moving forward with uh finishes. Just quick budget summary. Um right, you can still see bottom line down here in the bottom right. Still a significant balance. We've had some conversations uh about um potential ideas with that um balance with the facilities committee meeting. There's still more um more to be done uh with that as we as we move forward. And then from a schedule standpoint, um, right? So, MEP work, uh, which is the mechanical, electrical, roughing, they are, those trades are there. They're trying to, uh, keep momentum.
034Um, but as you can see, right, we've got paint on the walls and ceramic tile on the walls and finishes are starting to go. Um, so the the mechanical trades have um some work to do to to keep pace. Uh but we're certainly not letting that uh slow us down. So, um I walked through this morning. Uh there's a path to get there as we've been saying, right? We're going to be right up against the um Labor Day holiday, right, to that weekend putting the finishing touches on and moving contractors out the back door and bringing staff and students in the front door. Um but there is a path to get there. Um, and so we're we're on we're on track to to have students in both spaces here um, come September. Any questions on
035progress or related to CT? No, thank you very much. Very good. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay, pardon me. Um, yes. PTO, PTA, shared decision making committees, student councils, CSSE chairs. Bless you. Title One UTA. Welcome, Scott. Hey, Scott. Good evening. Scott Regowski, UTA president. You're my There we go. Thank you. Scott Regowski, UTA president. The UTA hopes that all of our students and staff enjoyed their spring break. Just a reminder that New York State math testing occurs this Wednesday and Thursday. It is crucial that students get an adequate night's rest and eat a good breakfast to help them do their best. The 29th annual UTA scholarship golf tournament in memory of Larry Custadero is scheduled to be held on Saturday, May 31st at Twin Ponds. Proceeds from the tournament are going to the UTA scholarships
036supporting Proctor students. The tournament is open to anyone that is interested. Please contact the UTA office for further information. The UTA along with the New York State United teachers support the governor's proposed bell-to-bell cell phone restrictions in order to reduce distractions and promote a more focused learning environment for our students. Teacher appreciation week is next week, Monday, May 5th through Friday, May 9th. This time is set aside each year to honor and appreciate their contributions and recognize teachers impact on individuals and communities. To all the incredible Udica teachers, counselors, social workers, therapists, psychologists, and other support staff, your impact extends far beyond the classroom. Thank you for your patience, your guidance, and your unwavering dedication helping students here in Udica learn and grow. Thank you. questions, comments, concerns. Thanks. Appreciate it, Scott. Thank you, Scott.
037I'm still waiting for my shirt. That's all. Still waiting for dinner. All right. Come on. Look. All right. You got me on that one. All right. All right. All right. Okay. I heard that, right, Scott? Next week. Next week. Listen, you you guys don't mind if I if I have Ian come up and do the financial report, do you? I I just like I mean listen we make him we make him leave at the end of the meeting. He sends us off so well. Oh my god. All right. Come on up Ian. Oh watch. He just smiles. Yes. Good evening everyone. It's awesome. What him worry. He just makes me so happy when I see him get up there. Uh so for this month I've enclosed uh the general fund budget status report, cafeteria fund
038budget status reports, and the cash balance reports for all the district bank accounts for the month ending February 28th, 2025. Um is there any questions or you tell us. Are there any areas of concern or worry that you have at the present time? No, February was a good month where cash flow was good. We made a couple investments and um yeah, it was February was good. All right. Anyone else have any questions? I'm not going to ask you what you invested in because I did it the last time and All right. But if you want to tell us what you invested in generally, that would be fine. Um couple CDs and I believe 5% um uh per field. Yeah. Yeah. And uh believe they were for various amounts for terms 6 months I think 3
039months. You have to stagger them for cash flow purposes. Is that Yeah, we based off of our cash flow when we think we're going to need the money back and Yeah. Okay. Good. Thank you, Andy. You're welcome. While we're here, should we just take a motion to approve the minutes as well? Yeah. Unless you want to stay, then you can hang out with us. Okay. Out. Let's While we're here, do you want to just approve the minutes still? Yeah, why not? Make a motion to approve the March 18th special meeting and executive session minutes, the March 25th regular meeting and executive session minutes, and the March and the April 1st special meeting minutes. Okay. Any we have a motion to have a second. Second. Any addition, deletions, comments? All in favor? Opposed? Motion carries. Okay.
040So, now we will now turn over uh the meeting to the superintendent to present whatever he'd like to tell us and the superintendent's report. Yes. Thank you. So, first of all, good evening to you all. Good evening to our viewing our viewers at home. Just want to say a couple of words about our upcoming May vote, encouraging everyone to participate in the democratic process. So, right now we have proposed a 290,141,927 uh uh vote uh budget with a 0% levy uh increase over the prior year. And essentially this this budget really is about again expanding our student learning uh and graduation pathways. We have you just heard the presentation about the um CTE facilities and the building needs staff to work in it. So we are adding that into the budget to make sure that
041we have the appropriate administrators as well as teachers to support that learning in those pathways. Additionally, we've been doing a lot of work this year to focus on the ways in which we can strengthen community engagement. across our organization, you know, working with system leaders throughout the city and we are investing into uh our current infrastructure by having a community engagement department which is a part of that uh budget. We've also been very proud to speak to the fact that we have expanded our extended day learning opportunities across our 10 elementary schools and we have included that in this budget as well. And the most exciting thing I think is the long-term strategic plan that will be a part of the budget. So the budget is really centered on linking the uh our spending plan
042with student needs across the district by examining the data. We've looked at our key performance indicators and we are trying to ensure that the activity within the district is commenurate with student needs. Um, other than that, when you look at the the programming over the year, over the year, the slice of the pie of where the monies are allocated to, it it's really consistent. We've raised the budget by one receiving an increase in foundation aid, but also allocating fund balance as a one shot to increase that budget as well. So again to the taxpayers there will be a 0% increase in levy um from the uh from tax levy and we encourage you to come out and support the district. Thank you. Thank you. And the board would like to encourage the public to come
043out and make sure you support that for the kids. Thank you. In addition to that, on the ballot is our capital improvement project. $120 million capital improvement project. That's that's one thing I think we really do well here in this district, having worked across the state. We have some amazing facilities. Let's keep that let's keep that uh gem going. Come support us, please. And now I offer my superintendent's report. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Spence. Um, does anyone want any pages pulled? Is the superintendent pulling anything from the report? That I am. I am pulling uh P25 on page 27 at the bottom. At the bottom of page 27, the last item. Yes. Does anyone else have any uh We need to pull pages three through six since we tabled the Yeah, the uh immemoriam,
044right? Uh, page seven, the page 7, S 222. Yes. Page 20, B41. Page 21, B42. Page 22, B43. They're in an order. Oh, okay. B4142 B43 on page 22 and B44 on page 23. So, I just want to make sure I can take them in order. So, we're pulling S2227 page seven. We're pulling you I missed something that you wanted pulled. I think I'm So, three we're tableing or whatever. Yeah, we're pulling three together to table to table. Okay. And then page 20 through 23. 20 through 23. And then we said page 27 at the bottom. Page 27 was not re or page 27 at the bottom was not recommended. Correct. We got to pull it to not recommend it. Right. The superintendent pulled it. So he didn't recommend it. So we have to pull.
045Okay. Good. Okay. All right. So, aside from the pages that we pulled, um, can I have a motion to adopt the superintendent report of April 29, 2025 as reflected with those changes that we just discussed? Move it. Second. Any discussion about that? Um, all in favor? Opposed? Motion carries. Okay, we'll start with um I need a motion to table um 217, 218, 219, and two 20. Can I have that motion? Second. Okay. All in favor? I Okay, that's been tabled. Now I need a motion on you wanted S22 on page seven. So I need a motion. Move that. Second. Okay. discussion. Now, a motion to divide the question to consider the risk assessment separately from the corrective action plan. And I'll second that for you. So, and all in favor? We we need to have
046I'm seconding it then. So, I need a mo and there's a motion on the floor. All in favor? Opposed? Motion carries. So, the risk assessment. I need a motion to adopt the approval of the risk assessment. Move it. Need a second. Second. Any discussion on that? No. Hearing none. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Now I need a motion for the corrective action plan. Need a second. Okay. Any discussion? Yes. If you bear with me, I have a statement I would like to read into the record. Sure. The question before the board is whether the corrective action plans to the internal audit should be approved or whether they must first be revised. For context, this board approved an internal audit reviewing the management of federal funds, the findings of which have just been accepted
047by the board. The administration submitted these corrective action plans to the board's approval. The question of their approval should be judged by the confidence that this institution has in the veracity of those responses. For this member, that confidence has eroded. or the past year, the board has twice been presented with single audit findings or subsequent corrections that highlighted concerns regarding the management and monitoring of grant funds. The board has also twice been presented with the corrective action plans or amendments thereto for these findings. These plans were presented to the board on the second day of October 2024 at a special meeting of this body and unrevised on the 30th day of January 2025, the regular meeting of this body. The relevant portion of the management response was limited to the following quote. The board of
048education approved the federal uniform guidance plan on July 2nd, 2024. This document includes best practices and procedures for implementing, monitoring, and closing out grants." End quote. Concerns were expressed to the administration on those occasions that pointing to a singular past action was insufficient as a corrective action plan. Now, it is revealed that this sole remedy, the federal uniform guidance plan, has not been implemented or followed in its entirety. Specifically, the self assessment of risk forms provided for in the plan have not been utilized by the administration. The administrative response to this was that the document continues to be reviewed and that they are aware that revisions are needed. The administration need not be reminded that by their own admission, the federal uniform guidance plan was approved by this board of education, which carries the full
049authority of board policy under which the administration is obliged to comply. Nor does the administration need to be reminded that board policy 3105 governs those rare occurrences when the administration believes it to be unwise or impractical to comply with a board policy. Board policy 3105 was not invoked, nor would it have been appropriate to invoke it where the policy by the administration's own concession represents best practices and procedures. When the representation was made in writing to the board of education of the federal uniform guidance plan had been adopted, implicit in that was the representation that the relevant administrators had thoroughly understood that plan and were implementing it. It is now apparent that that was a misrepresentation, hopefully an inadvertent one. In light of these facts, it seems necessary for the administration to take additional time
050to consider the responses to assuage these concerns. In their current form, it would be irresponsible to grant these responses the gradas at the impreature of board approval would afford. This member cannot grant their ascent to this proposition and in their humble opinion believes that the circumstances demand a vote in the neck of it. Thank you. Well, Braden, that was very nice. Thank you very much for your thoughts. Does anyone else have any questions about or statements? Um, I have a couple thoughts. I have been addressing this issue for quite a period of time. It's been discussed at audit committee meetings um and in our agenda meetings and we have a you know the corrective action plan are is words on on paper. Um, they're just words. The question that comes up is the staff going
051to make it a priority to address the deficiencies. Now, they've been handed a a difficult task because um there's been a number of changes in the uh federal funds responsibilities over the past number of years. Um granted we have been implementing updated um software. We're actually sort of using software which is great. Um and different programs. So and we're working hard [Music] to make things better. Um, you know, obviously I was disappointed with the third audit that pointed out the same issue. Um, but eventually this has to be a priority. it has to be addressed. And I think it's one of those things where everybody has to step in and help because this needs to get taken care of. It doesn't mean that people are running away with money or do committing all this malfeasants.
052It's it's a it's an accounting issue and it's a it needs to get addressed and I'm I'm hoping that this will continue to be a priority so that we can put this particular issue behind us and if necessary um you know I know there's a lot of responsibility and a limited number of personnel hours to deal with it deal with um in all of your departments, but this and I I I'm speaking on behalf of the board is a priority. We want it addressed. We want it fixed. We want it balanced. We want it tied out. And we want it done so that we are doing everything and we can, you know, count on it. So, I'm I I don't know if I'm I mean I don't know if I'm speaking I think I'm speaking
053for everybody. We want this issue addressed. I've been chasing this issue for 2 years so or maybe a little bit longer than that actually. But the the reality is we got to get it done. I'm not faulting anybody. I know it's hard. I know there's a lot of moving parts. I know that, you know, we've implemented a lot of systems that are going to make it easy moving forward, but at some point we have to close up the past and we need to make sure that it's right so that everyone can count on it. And again, I just want to be clear, we're not saying that anyone's doing anything wrong for the conspiracy theorists out there. We're not saying that people are stealing. Um, we've we've already addressed those issues for the most part. Um,
054at this point, we just want to make sure that our fiscal house is in order in terms of procedure, okay? And and so that it's it's easier to have oversight. And again, it's nobody's fault. We just want to make sure that we can button this issue up. It's been, you know, again, I've been chasing this for two years. So, I'd like to get it done. I'd like it to be a priority. I know I'm speaking on behalf of the board, but you all need to help each other in finishing this. And if it's an issue of, you know, did you want to say something? Okay, I'll I'll stop. Go ahead. No, no, I don't want to turn into a personnel thing. Like, I don't I'm just That's my concern. It's not a personnel thing. We've
055made it very clear, so I don't want to address a certain department or something. Just want to uh acknowledge the investment of time from the board in reviewing the finances. It's a lot of documents and you've you've done a good job at being good stewards of the district's finances. And also want to acknowledge the hard work of the team that's working to work through this. You know, you you alluded to the um the history of this district and I think to some extent we are plagued by the history but you know I want to appreciate everyone here who's working through that and we're going to continue to uh make demonstraable progress and I think today we've made some gains with some of the uh discussion and systems that we plan to implement. So, I just
056want to thank you all and thank everyone here and we'll continue working and that is a priority. I I just want to clarify in case somebody thinks I'm being critical. I am not being critical of anybody on the staff. I am saying that this is a priority that needs to be addressed and buttoned up as soon as possible. Okay? It's that, as I said, everybody has to work together. There's a lot of moving parts here. There's different departments that have to contribute to all of this, but it needs to get addressed so we can put this behind us. And again, for those that are keeping score, I am not saying that anyone is doing anything wrong or that we're allowing people to run off and steal things or anything along those lines. This is a
057process issue and a procedure issue that needs to be buttoned up. So, let's call the question unless somebody else has something to say. All in favor of adopting. No problem. All All We'll have a roll call vote on approving it. Mr. Cooper, yes. Mr. Hoba Jr., yes. Mrs. New? No. Mr. Nana? No. Mrs. Padulla, yes. Mr. Paul, yes. Motion passes 42. So, no, we're going to do that. So, the risk assessment will be passed. Okay. So, action plan corrective the cor I'm sorry, the corrective action p plan has been passed. Um, let's go to B 41, 42, 43, 44 on pages 20 through 23. Need a motion. Can we consider them separately? Absolutely. Need a motion on B41, budget transfer personnel. Second discussion. Yes. Um can someone speak to the process by which this budget
058transfer came about and the timeline? So um in 2324 or or maybe sometime a little bit before that it was it was decided that in an effort uh to assist the personnel department that an outside consultant would be employed and it was prior to my coming here. So, I don't really know the steps that came up to that. At that point, there were two consultants. Um, one um is no longer being utilized by the district just because the the need wasn't there. Um, this individual um has has been with us. We've had some and I don't mean to speak for for Miss Clem, but um some staffing shortages. Um and this person has been able to step in. this person used to be employed by the district many years ago. So was very um conversant
059in our policies, our procedures um and how we did things in this district. Um and so as you may recall, it wasn't budgeted for in the in the 2425 budget. I believe this wasn't and you can see that in the in the entry that I proposed. Um and I came to you some time ago um in the early part of the fall um to move some money in there. At that point, I was unaware. I think we were all unaware as to what the complete services would be for the year if that if the position would be filled. Um there was an open position. Um because the gentleman that had had it had actually become a teacher. Um and so um I recommended a certain amount of money be budget transferred at that point, not
060knowing what the future would bring. Um uh about a month ago, as I could see the the the actual coming up and the budget to actual coming down, um I knew that we would have to have additional funds in there in which to pay this consultant. So that's sort of the the history and the timeline. Any other questions? All in favor? I I opposed. Motion carries. Okay. Uh let's see. Need a motion for B42, page 21. Move it. Second. Discussion. Same question. Um so a couple of things happened in 2324 that really weren't reflected in the budget for 2425. Number one, we we went out and got cyber insurance um million-doll coverage for the district for a variety of areas. Um, we also were required um by the city of Udica when we're utilizing police
061officers uh as um security within our buildings um that we had to have um insurance to cover cover liability if something were to happen um with them on our premises. Um additionally, as you may recall, we bought a bunch of new equipment which we weren't sure if we were going to be buying or not. Um and so insurance went up, right? because you've got older older uh used equipment coming off um and brand new equipment that's going to cost a lot more to get fixed if something were to happen. Um so when the budget was developed for for 2425 um some of those things weren't fully hadn't fully evolved. Um and so um um that's why looking for this additional budget transfer. Any questions? All in favor? opposed. Motion carries. Okay. I need a motion
062on um budget transfer B43. Second discussion. Yes. I'll change the question slightly here. When did it become apparent that this additional money in the budget was needed for contracted services for legal? So, I I've been watching the trending of the bills um and they they started trending up a little bit, not a lot. Um about about three months ago. Um I get the bills by the time we get them p we get them and then we get them paid. Um so you can never tell how much you're going to use legal services. Um and so um that's when I approached um the the assistant superintendent and said that you know we're going to need a transfer because this is about almost I mean less little less than half of the well sorry it should say
063it's a little bit less than the entirety of what the budget was to begin with. So, do we know what? Let's start with what constitutes this big spike. So, I don't know that it's Let's kind of look at it from two different perspectives. I don't know that it's a big spike over the 2324 year. Um I don't I think it at the end of at the end of 25 what we're going to see is that it's going to be less than what we was expensed for 2324. Um a couple of things happened in 2324. um our full-time attorney decided to retire. Um and number two, um Boseies had been doing all our contract negotiations and we had been using them for labor management. So the district opted to uh utilize the services of a legal
064firm at Ferrara um to do those those those functions. So there's a good chunk of uh of expense out of the total that are are reflective for negotiations and personnel and labor. So going into our new budget, it was proposed or $600,000 for the legal budget for next year. Did we arrive at that figure of order 600,000 for next year knowing that the cost would approach somewhere around that amount this year? Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. This is sort of my frustration with this one is that a question was asked as to that budget line item for the development of the budget next year. And no, that was a perfect opportunity to provide an answer to this board that the money to be expended this year was going to be far greater than the $385,000 originally
065budgeted for. So I I'm left with a slightly sour taste in my mouth about that. But I think that's the uh extent of my questions. Well, that that was the discussion that we had been having about, you know, the uh the budget. I mean, it's a it's generally a guesstimate. It all depends on how many hot button issues you're dealing with. Um you know, I I don't We use the we use that firm for a lot of things. Get excellent service for it. You know, the issue that comes up is um again I'm not quite sure you you know I think somebody made an assessment when the budget was being drafted. um you know and and I'm assuming that's an estimate. When you do a budget, although Heather, you're not doing the budget, but when
066you do a budget, what what is it? How does that work exactly when you're trying to determine numbers? You're not looking for the exact number that you you spent the year before. Is that what happens? How does it work? Uh you take a look back in time where where you were, what was happening during that period of time. Do you have extensive loss as it relates to this particular line? extensive lawsuits or what, as I just mentioned, we had an attorney that was working here full-time and we were using Boseies. So, you take a look at now you're switching over to something different and and the district's been through has evolved over the past two years for a number of legal issues. Um, and so when you're predicting for for the next year, you're taking
067a look at where you were where you are and where you think those if those things are being cured and the costs are going to come down a little bit. Just to be clear here, I'm going to echo something that President Hobik said earlier. This is a procedural issue for me. Substantively, I have no uh questions or concerns about the amount of money here. I I think Ferrara Farm is doing a great job for the district and they're doing a lot of different services through the district all under one umbrella. My concern here is on the the communication of this to the board. Um, and that's where the concern for me lies. Any other questions or comments? All in favor? Opposed? No. Okay. Um, okay. So P20 or number page 27 was pulled. Oh, I'm
068sorry. Page 23. P2. I'll make the motion. Need a second. Second. Okay. Discussion. Where did the just speak to the the how this came about? So, as it relates to gas and and electric, that is really a big estimate, right? You never know where that's going to land. You kind of have an idea of usage, right? Um this year, right, we we saw a big a little bit of an increase in gas because we had colder temperatures. Temperatures have a lot to do with it. Um but um it we we were able to stay within that cost center. We saw that our our gas use our gas cost actually came down and our power our light power cost went up. Um we were able to keep it in the the same cost center. And you
069know I I have to do a big shout out for Mike because Mike Ferraro because he really is monitoring this at all times. Um so you know we felt there was enough money in that cost center total and that's why we pulled it from there. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Okay. All in favor? Opposed? Motion carries. Um, we need [Music] to I think we've covered everything in the superintendent's report. Okay, we need to address the um resolution for the uh student discipline. So, I'm going to read the read the resolution. This is whereas an appeal of the decision of the superintendent of schools regarding student discipline was made to the board of education in accordance with section 3214 of the New York education law. And whereas the board of education duly considered the
070arguments made in support of the appeal and fully reviewed the record of the matter in light of set arguments. Now, therefore, it is hereby resolved that um the disciplinary action imposed by the superintendent of schools is upheld. The board finds competent and substantial evidence the student engaged in the charge misconduct and deems the penalty imposed appropriate given the nature of the misconduct and the anecdotal evidence in the record. So, I need a motion to adopt that. Move it. Second. Okay. And I think that um I think we have to do we have we have to do roll call on that, don't we? Okay. Let's do a roll call vote on that. Mr. Cooper, yes. Mr. Hobika Jr. No. Mrs. New? Yes. Mr. Dana? No. Mrs. Padulla? Yes. And Mr. Paul? Yes. Motion carries. The uh
071disciplinary action imposed by the super superintendent of schools is upheld. Um yes sir. Um, can I have a motion to take a brief recess? Move it. Second. All in favor? Three minute. False alarm. False alarm. Okay. Um, reports of reports of special committees I guess is next. So, pardon and I want to talk about Boseies for a few minutes. Sorry. minutes. Well, so we had the annual meeting of Boseies between the last meeting that we had and today and once again um we got a chance to encounter and and um meet our students and other students from other schools. It's again my favorite meeting of the whole year because the kids uh you get to see what the kids do at Boseies. Um you know and their and their food service is amazing. I I
072have to tell you it really is and um they do great job that all those kids are so earnest and they really do an excellent job and I it it it just makes me happy to be there. you know, like they had a the the welding. I've been to the welding. That's really cool. I've been to um you know, almost every single thing, you know, every every what do they call them? Pathways. And you know, you go to the the nature stuff that's really fantastic. Um one year they gave us uh maple syrup that was really cool. So, I I have to say I got to give a shout out to Boseies and I'm looking forward to us being able to uh do something similar with our CTE program. So, although we're not going to
073have a food program there, which is unfortunate. So, anyway, uh audit finance grants. Um that's that's us. We don't we don't really have to say anything about that. We've been talking about that. We just accepted the audit. Yep. So, capital projects anything Danielle Jason? Oh, you guys, we had a meeting like presented what we saw with the outdoor learning spaces. That's building and grounds. Oh, we're on building grounds. Sorry. Um well, still we saw the presentation of the outdoor learning spaces and then Jason, myself and Mr. Dos completed all those 13 buildings and two we saw the service in this um shop which are so impressive. I'm just going to put on the radar that they should be field trips within the district. Um super impressed. Thank you to the principles and the staff for
074letting us in. We walked pretty much every corner and kind of saw the improvements from last year to this year. Um, we heard of ideas and we definitely have some work to do within some of the buildings, but it it's it's an operation. To see 10,000 kids and the way these buildings operate and the amount of work that goes into it is just incredible. Okay. Sorry. All right. CTE, is that part of what you did? No. Okay. Okay. You want to talk about that or you going to wait till next month? We didn't meet for CT. It's like every other month. So, we're Well, actually, we're doing a Well, you guys spent You guys did spend quite a bit of time with your It was almost a week, wasn't it? It It was the course
075of like two weeks. Two weeks. Yeah. It was like five unpaid vacation days. No, I'm just kidding. But it was it was a course over two weeks. It was great. And CT, we're doing a walk through um in June. PA committee PA did not meet in April. We are tentatively scheduled for May 16. Communications, equity, and outreach. No, I don't even remember. Well, communications. We did not meet in April um because of spring break, but we met the month before to discuss all the graduation, all preparations and all of the end of the year events that are happening from field trips to graduations, moving up ceremonies, and making sure that there's proper communication and all of the channels are covered um so the parents and community members can see it and that we get the
076proper communication going out for that. Okay. policy committee. Um, well, I think we tried to schedule a meeting, but it Yeah, I don't I thought that was scheduled. That's not scheduled for tomorrow, is it? Thursday. Thursday, is it tomorrow? No, today's Tuesday. Sorry. Apologize everybody. It seems like it's it seems like it's Wednesday. Um, couple more hours. Okay. So, yeah, we're gonna have to figure that out. I I thought maybe it was tomorrow. No, no, no, no. It's not It's not tomorrow. No, it was supposed to be Thursday, wasn't it? Audit and finances tomorrow. I'm I'm not doing that. Thank you. I'm not doing that. No, I'm not I'm not leaving here at what I recommend having to get up to crack at dawn. So, um what about uh call me at 5:30 in the
077morning. You worried about an 8:00 meeting? Really not. I just don't want to have to slug my coffee down. Okay. Um and the policy committee meeting. I thought we were scheduling something on that because we have a number of I think we're actually trying to schedule it tomorrow, right? So, we're gonna have to kick it out to next week or something. Yeah. Okay. So, we'll get that squared away. Uh code of conduct, anything? Nothing. Tenative tenative schedule of 5:16 at 4 p.m. right before the uh P committee meeting. Nice. Okay. Two for All right. Any continuing business? Any new business? I have new business. Um I don't I don't know how to Well, we just finished one audit, but I would like to bring up auditing um another department. So, I would ask the audit
078and finance committee if we can look into an additional audit with payroll. Um I don't need an answer today, but I would just like to start that conversation. We've got we received, I believe, a quote on it, but um I think we need to make a decision if we want to do it and when we want to start it. So, I just want to continue the conversation at the next meeting. I I think that I think the question that comes up and it has been discussed is are we talking about the process by which the it the payroll is derived or are we speaking about somebody going to check and see if somebody worked 20 hours and they got paid $20 an hour. I think um I think my concern as a board member is
079what the feedback I'm getting is that amount of time it's getting to be paid or like things like that. So it maybe more procedural, you know, especially with the red program and I know how hard people are saying after I need to make sure that they're we need to make sure that they're paid on time and so I mean that's a discussion that we can have. Well, that that's part of what the that's part of what the you know what I I'm hoping that the audit would be, which is to evaluate our systems because there are a lot of moving parts and there are a lot of people that have to move a a piece of paper from one spot to another, approve it, somebody else has to approve it, somebody else has to approve
080it, and then it ultimately has to be submitted for payment. But then we also have multiple um contracts and andus that have different that have different impact on a lot of things. So, so the question is going to be are we going to is it going to be a systems is it going to be a systems audit or is it going to be an audit of like well you know so and so you know we're looking at all the time cards from this particular day you know to find out whether or not there they were you know paid correctly because we have a lot of moving parts or I I agree and so that's my concern is getting processes yeah the processes I processes. I think the biggest, you know, feedback as a board member,
081that's one of the top ones is just who still hasn't been paid or not paid or it's missing and then it's, you know, that right. There's a lot of moving parts. So, I think we need to look into that and we need to better it. We've invested into software that's supposed to help with vacation. So, I I want to make sure that we're on top of all Well, we've been we've been told that there's going to be um a more electronic and computer related way to track a lot of this stuff that's supposed to be implemented or ready for implementation sometime you know in in the my can we get an update on that while we're because that was supposed to be done in March. We should it was we have that systems working right
082now. It's in it in they're doing a it's a beta, right? They're testing. Yeah, we're doing a a soft roll out with that and fortunately we have been doing small groups at a time which allows us to pivot um and Mike has been instrumental in this too in regards to technology. So we had a hiccup. I planned on setting a memo out for a full roll out for the whole district to be able to see their payroll this week. I'm waiting to hear back. We've had one small hiccup that would create a a large hiccup for people and I emailed again today and I'm just waiting for that to get cleared up and then that memo is drafted on my desk ready to go out so everybody can see their payroll. Well, that's the that
083was the discussion from, you know, so that somebody would be able to look and see track their PTO and all the other but even hold on a second that that was one thing. The the other thing that we discussed in the audit and finance committee meeting was the generation of time management through electronics rather than paper cards which you know are easier. I mean I'm I'm saying we think it's easier to track electronically. I have no idea if that's the case. I don't know how you verify. I I like paper myself, but it's, you know, it's becoming a problem. So, yeah, I I think that there's been a large volume like especially with substitutes and stuff. We I think we have to look into this a little bit more and see what needs with the
084with our physical distance. I I agree the electronic process assists with paths for approvals and such like that. However, that is going to be on the later end of this system that's rolling out right now. So, we need to get the first system, the first piece rolled out to all employees. And the goal of that will be we're going to roll it out now with the idea that by July everybody would be logged in, able to see things on the fly. The people that have been able to get it in and look at their stuff. Very, very positive feedback. And I would just like to say we are the first district in this region to even be piloting it and rolling it out. So, we're moving in the right direction with that. So, are we
085are we matching up all the information that's coming on, you know, the the are we matching up the contracts and the and all of the the different nuances that our bargaining units have so that, you know, we can tr you know, everyone can track that and keep things so yes, actually this past week over break there was a group of us here in the business office. We've actually reviewed the payroll processing calendar that shows like what dates would be processed when. Heather and her team um have been working with that and reviewing those to make sure. We had those on our website last year and we'll be doing that again this year. In addition to that, the HR team is reviewing all the contracts and putting all of the work days in to make sure
086we have all of that correct. And then we'll continue on building those processes and procedures so we have master lists to be able to move forward with from year to year. Is there a because one of the discussions that we had uh at the audit committee was having an accessible place for all of our our contracts and andus so that multiple departments can access them and then also someone has to you know we've suffered in some instances and and it's understandable that you know somebody interprets an agreement differently than somebody else. So I think we need to have a uniform interpretation so that everyone agrees on so I think that's part of it. Right. Sure. In the application, right? And the other thing that we're doing too is as a contract comes open we are
087looking at the wording in that so that we're consistent. What we're finding is there's specifics in regards to holidays. for example, some reference the school district calendar. Some have specific holidays listed in their agreement that may not may or may not match up with what the district holiday calendar is. So, those are all things that we have been working on and compiling and as those agreements open up, we're going to try to be consistent so that um to Mr. Haba's point, we are more fluid in regards to being able to implement. There is a drive that has all of the contracts in it. Now I believe we're still building you know the MOASUS those are a little bit more difficult to make sure that we have every single one of them in there but we
088are we have made progress with a combined drive for all the current contracts. I think that conversation on the software and all that piece we can definitely put in the may or June, you know, whenever you have enough information to present it. But I think I guess my request of the board would be at the next meeting or to discuss the the payroll and and what we're what it's going to look like and the samplings and stuff like that, but I would like to put it on the rad. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, I mean, that was part of what we were planning on doing anyway, but and I appreciate you making giving us a reminder, but I think the big issue again is going to be what's going to be looked at because
089it's a more of a process issue as opposed to looking to see if somebody uh multiplied hours times rate. Well, that's also the benefit. the orders, they'll come in there after they'll be able to do that level of analysis to really give us, you know, their assessment of the provided that's what you sanction them to do. Yeah. And I know Dr. Swans sent us the cost analysis. So, I think we also have to see financially what would be the best option. Yeah. I just want to echo two points at least as I've understood them. I agree with Vice President Padula that it's a concern. Like the payroll is, at least to me, it's a concern. I think it's worth this board investing in doing an audit of that. But to uh President Hovika's point if
090that's targeted at systems and procedures, there's not going to be much gained out of just pulling random time cards. I think absolutely though a systems and procedures audit of the payroll system is warranted. Mhm. Agree. Well, I'm glad we all agree. Okay. Any uh any other new business? Any communication? Janelle, you want to communicate anything? All right. Um I don't think we need to do another executive session. So, can I have a motion to adjourn? Second. All in favor? We are ajourned.