001discussion. That's what we just talked Yes. Thank you, Terry. All right. I'd like to call this meeting to 6 PM on Monday, September 22nd, 2025. Please stand with me and recite the pledge of allegiance. Algian to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> I'd like to welcome everyone this evening for the first day of fall. So, has arrived, I believe. Um, just a few opening remarks. This is a meeting the school board in public for the purpose of conducting the school corporation's business and is not to be considered a public community meeting. There is time for public participation as indicated by agenda item number two. The mission of go community schools is to inspire
002innovation, empowering potential and enriching our world and our vision. Go community schools county school district of choice. Uh next approval of tonight's agenda. Do we have any revisions to that? Mr. President, I think we'd like to add a discussion item just to verify the time of our additional budget hearing on Monday. What's the date? What's that date? >> Week from today. >> A week from today. >> 29th. Uh we we'd like to have a budget hearing at that date. We just need to verify from the board the best time. So like to add that as a discussion item at that time. >> All right. So we will add item 7.2 which is budget meeting time and date discussion. >> This is kind of our final harrah on that. >> So I guess I will look
003to another board member to please uh make an amendment to add 7.2 budget meeting time and date as item 7.2 under discussion. I mentioned that we had item 7.2 budget meeting uh discussion. >> Okay. >> Second. >> All right. Mr. Goodman made the mo or made at recommended the amendment Mr. Glick the uh second. Any discussion on item at the addition of item 7.2 tonight. See shaking heads. All right. All those in favor of the amended budget of adding 7.2 budget meeting time and date please raise your hand and say I. >> I. I oppos same that passes 70. All right. So the agenda is approved as amended. And then item 1.5 are approval of our minutes from the September 8th, 2025 regular meeting. Do we have any revisions to those minutes? All right. Seeing
004none, the minutes are approved as presented. We will now move on to item two which is uh public comment on agenda or non-aggenda items. And I'd like to welcome Mr. Null. May come up sir. >> Go Keith. You don't need to bother. I'll be done when I'm done. >> You'll be brief. No, no, I'm not going to be free. So, sorry I wasn't here last board meeting. I'm stuck in the hospital. I'd rather been here. But anyways, thought of you, but you know, I did think of you. So, I'm going to go back a couple years when the gang of four. If you're a historian, you know gang of poor is actually from it was labeled in China for criminals that were in upper management by other people in management there that wanted to get
005rid of them. Except this board didn't do that. I warned the board and the corporation that when the gang of four basically flipped off we the people by saying we don't care what anybody says. We don't have to step down. We're above the law even though we broke the law. We we're better than that. We can do whatever we want. I warned it's on trickle downward. And it is happening on a regular basis. You asked Jim Allen, Mr. Wed gets the email, too. Every time I It happens at my school. That's West Ocean. And you know, Carrie is doing the best she can, but it's a little hard when her hands are tied and and the seed of screw you has already been set in place by this board to parents. And what's next? The
006kids here, parents say screw you and the teachers get it next. I hear from teachers from elementary to high school that kids I I don't have to do that crap who who who made you boss. So it comes down to you're teaching no matter what. And sometimes it's negative and it's going to be continuously negative until the that's the word I want to use atmosphere or the I'm I'll think of it later. But basically, if the altit attitude of this board doesn't change, it's going to get worse and worse. And the part of the problem with that is, I don't know if you're aware of it, but you know, the state of Indiana takes first grade enrollment and figures out how many prison cells to build in the state. That's a sad commentary. So, how
007many first graders are we condemning now? because we're we're saying it's okay to do that. If you don't like it, tough. You don't have to do it. You can tell them they don't have I'm not going to do it and mommy and daddy's going to back it up. It really doesn't matter. Well, it does matter to me. I really don't care about Well, the board members that need to get off need to get off now so that we can get a clean Say straight up here. Board. >> Thank you, Glenn. >> No, I ain't done yet. I told you I wasn't done until I was done. So, I'm going to push this through. My constitution doesn't end in three minutes. You know that. So, I'm telling the board that they need to get off. Everybody
008knows who they are. And I love Carrie. Carrie actually confronts these parents as best she can. And it comes down to she doesn't have the because the board does not give the support downward >> and we appreciate >> the whole system down. >> We appreciate your comments and we appreciate you're looking over West Ocean. We do appreciate that and we I know Dr. Metaf and Mr. Deo have had discussions and Miss Garber is got our support and trying to rectify what's going on. Kid almost got hit today at West Ocean cutting across. Meet mommy at the at the at a car in the street. So we don't want another kid hit at West Co. I cannot a child hit anywhere >> and that's who would be paying for it. So I suggest three that know
009what they need to do do it. >> Thank you. No sugar this time. >> With that, uh that will complete our uh public comment section this evening. Uh we will now move on to superintendent reports. >> Thank you, Mr. President. Uh first up is uh Dr. Evans, and he's going to give you a quick cash flow kind of overview. It's in your packet, >> right? I believe in your packet I did a cash flow for personnel and other expenses for June, July and August. Uh next month I'll give you the quarterly report. This is sort of a quick update. You'd expect June to have about 50% expenditures, July about 58 and and August about 66. We're right there except for operations is running a little hot. That should be expected. We spend more of the
010first part of the year in the last few months. We kind of back down from it. So all in all, I think we're expending monies uh in the right areas and at the right rate. >> Any questions for Bob? >> What changes with the debt service? Um like since those are pretty much fixed payments, I would think since we're down to like >> Yeah, that's that's a really good point. Um, with debt service, it hasn't changed because we we spent uh the monies in June and in December, and so we'll get the the full expenditure of death service should end up being in December. >> Okay. So, it it just doesn't always track completely either, >> right? >> Timing issue, right? >> Any other questions for Bob? >> Okay, next next up, uh, we have
011just a quick, uh, I I want to throw out to the board members that we are meeting to have some initial discussions with Kathy and John and others uh in regard to pathways and our plan to look at do we need uh more pathways and which pathways those might be at the high school. So I just want to warn you, tell you and please give us feedback if boards you're thinking you know about something or you know give me a call, send me an email, text, whatever. Uh we're starting those conversations in district at this time and maybe get some parent engagement in that those discussions later too. >> Can I ask one question about that? Uh I'd seen one of the companies that was advertising that this last weekend was doing cyber security pathways.
012>> Do we have anything like that now or is it being considered because I know that's a growing field with all the threats. Kathy and I did have a conversation after we were at the uh superintendent uh and board conference joint meeting and we I went to the AP uh courses that you can offer AP on cyber security and thought that was interesting. We might have a teacher that could get a few of those courses built into their schedule, but nothing definitive. It's hard. You got to get kids to take them, too. So, right, >> we can offer them and then they got to be willing and interested to take those. So, uh, we're going to try to go through a process this fall that then would be something we could do every fall as
013we look at are we meeting the needs of the students, >> right? >> And then also, we want to we we do want to make sure they're high wage, high demand uh, career pathways as much as possible. That would be one of them. So, yeah, that was kind of an interesting way to think about how to do that. So, get the kids school credit. So, good question. Any other questions? That's all I had there. Uh, next up though is our operation excellence commitments. And Alan, quick update on Niola. >> Nola, uh, our policies are with the company. They are, they should be transposing them into a readable form for you so that you can have them. As soon as we get that, uh, Terry will be notifying you through your email or through a text
014that you have now have access to it so you can start reading through that. Our goal would be to kind of keep this on as a discussion item until we actually get it there. But hopefully you'll be able to start before the next meeting. >> We're getting a little antsy to be honest. We've had them for quite a while. We want we want them to get back to us so we can get them to you guys. So we we're going to put a little pressure on now instead of just waiting patiently. Um, okay. Okay, next up, uh Bob, uh just welding update. >> Welding, uh the lab is fully functional. The it has cleared all the inspections. The sprinkler head that was needed on the one welding hood was installed and inspected and they're using
015it. >> Yeah, it's good. Yeah, we were they had done everything they could do without welding. So, it was time to weld and those kids are in there doing it now. It's awesome. Uh I do want to This is kind of from me and Allan. jump in if you like. Uh Dr. Medcaf, uh Dr. Evans and myself met with the mayor and uh were informed um that starting July 1, 26 that our SRO's would no longer be covered by the city. So what does that mean for us? We have three SRO's in our district and um we're looking at options on on what to do, how how we employ. they're willing to let us employ their officers to be here uh and and basically do the same thing, but we're gonna have to pay for
016it. Um that will cost the school district between 400 and $450,000. So anywhere from $130 to $150,000 per officer. It hit pretty hard. You know, we're we we were uh among other things going on with Senate Bill One, etc. that one hit pretty hard. And so we're we're trying to figure out what we do and how we handle that. So board members study think uh we're we're in that process ourselves right now. Uh trying to figure out how do we handle an an additional $450,000 potentially uh expenditure that we didn't have in our budget uh for next year. So, >> can we get I guess some detail on what makes up? Is that just straight salary? Is it more than that? Just to have an understanding of what's all in that package. >> Yeah. So,
017I think that'd be interesting to see. >> Yeah, we can get that. I I mean from what we were we just were at this point we were just told I don't know it's over $100,000 for >> they were they were referring to use of the equipment they were referring to their life insurance their pensions all that sort of wrapped up together and they gave us one I believe they said it was a discounted price of 130 to 150 per office >> and I'd be curious is that because obviously school is not year round so is that a rate it. I just, you know, I'd just be interested to how that works out. I don't believe maybe the officers take the summer off, but I don't I don't think they do. >> No comment, but that's
018fine. >> Yeah. Correct. Yes. >> Which you do. >> Yeah. So, yeah, currently I believe the option is that by covering all this like a lot of the extra extra events and stuff that time is banked which can be used for vacation during the summer. So, I think with stuff that we've never had to look at. So it' be curious to understand how they come up with their >> So two big things that really kind of crushing within the last month for us uh we didn't plan for. We we've kind of been uh knowing that we're working towards the 26 end of 26 uh with our um operation referendum going away. So we have kind of had a plan for that. We felt pretty comfortable with that because that's something we've known about for a
019while. Uh but the local option income tax, we're going to lose $1.1 million, maybe a little bit more than that, but $1.1 million. Uh and then if you add this to it, we're looking at about a million and a half additional loss by 28. Uh so we weren't planning on that. So, uh, that's some something to, you know, we we we've kind of had our plans for cuts and how we're going to trim and adjust after losing the the referendum going off. Uh, this is going to be an additional difficulty, let's put it that way. It's something that we're looking at. Uh, I would add to that, um, Senate Bill One has some additional things that are going to make it difficult for us to borrow general obligation bonds to take care of our facilities.
020Uh, starts all that will kick in mostly in 28. Uh >> yeah, it's gradual with the AV reduction with with the the amount of monies that we would lose between 20 kicks in a little bit. 26 27 is a little worse, but 28 is going to hit us pretty hard. >> Yeah. So, just an FYI, this is what we're this is keeping up us up at night. And I think as a board we want to make sure we're sharing that concern that we have with what's going on with Senate Bill one uh loss of local option income tax which is part of Senate Bill one. And then also and a lot of schools don't even get Senate or get local option income tax. So they've been operating without it. We have been operating with it
021and we've been you know you build your budget around those things. Um and then >> well it's not that it's going away. We just no longer are able to collect against it because right the county and the city can >> put their own in and we no longer >> get any advantages of that like previously >> the school system no longer get >> Yeah. So it's not like it's going away. The public will still be paying it. It just it gets dispersed differently. >> With with the uh 450,000 for the officers, how does that affect the budget which just or publicize it? Bob, >> did you hear that question? >> how does it affect the budget that we were just publicizing since it will come to effect next year? >> Half of next year. Well,
022actually nine pays roughly. Right. >> Right. Right. And so we didn't budget for those purposes. Uh we would have to obviously expend money towards that. I just don't know how much that expenditure is going to be. Um, >> do we have time to modify the budget between now and >> voting on it or is it well >> too late? >> Um, part of it, >> you know, each December when I ask you to give me permission to transfer within funds, it's for things like this. >> Uh, I'm not trying to be flippant or anything like that, but just things pop up that we don't didn't expect. You know, the the difference in transportation when I did had it had planned on buying these buses and then we didn't, we ended up using it. track, but
023it was all within the operations fund. >> So, if we were able to do that, this would be probably be something similar. Whether or not we would uh spend that kind of money for SRS or whether there'd be a different plan, I don't really know yet. So, I can't tell you uh how much the expenditure would be, but probably be all within operations in one way or another. So, there are a couple different ways that um we've looked at. We've talked to the mayor and Chief Miller and Assistant Chief Turner. There are a couple different ways you can fund those officers, whether it be a full-time police officer versus a special officer versus optional overtime versus um some other ways um where it might not necessarily be that much, but uh the burden will be
024taken on by the school system. So, we'll continue to keep you kind of updated as we look at what the different costs might be as we come up with them. >> Good question. And we don't we could just not have SRO. Probably not plan we would go with, but technically we you know there's no law saying we have to have SRO. That's not necessarily something we want to do, but I'm just saying that potentially. I think it's an important thing in the bigger picture. The city is having to make that decision because of their pullbacks. So, they're pushing it on us. So, it's just an additional pullback we all have to look at. And it comes back to talking points to our state legislators if people so desire. These are the negative impacts that are
025going on right now. You know, we sit there and say school safety is one of the most important things to us. >> But if they're crunching us for savings, I mean, you know, what are we going to do? So, I think that's good talking points that we can share with our legislators. >> Yeah, we don't want to get in a decision between SRO's and fixing a roof and other safety potential issues. >> That's kind of the decision- making points we're going to rub up against here. Uh, okay. So that completes operation unless we have other questions on operations. Uh as far as people go, very quick, Tracy, uh job fair for transportation. >> We have um as you know, we had a great hiring season um last spring and going into summer, but we did
026have one department that um had a extreme amount of retirements and resignations and that was our transportation department. So, we are working on having a transportation hiring fair. Um, we are still in need of bus drivers and bus aids and crossing guards. So, we're going to dedicate this fair just to the transportation department and um upcoming date is coming yet and details are being ironed out, but just thought let you all know that that's in the works and to watch out for that date to encourage people to come and might be interested in that type of a position. Thank you, Tracy. Any questions for Tracy? Okay, just some great news. Uh, if you looked in the paper, you saw Darren Hosapple and, uh, David uh, Post with a student and Dr. Metap, go ahead. >>
027Yes. So, Ezra Ty um, is a national 2006 National Merit Scholarship semi finalist. There's about 16,000 that are nationwide recognized at that. based upon PSAT score plus um a a index that the um that they look at. His next journey will be if he continues on to become a finalist. Uh people they then become a finalist and then possibly a winner. So we're thrilled to have Ezra represent us as a as a semi finalist. >> If I have my facts right, we are the have the highest number of National Merit Scholars in Elcart County. So kudos to the high school staff and students that go through our district. That concludes our report. >> All right. Well, thank you for that. Uh we will now move on to uh committee reports. So I look to our
028board members and our student advisor. Any committee reports you would like to highlight this month, the end of September. the community or the Elker Community Schools Foundation is having their trivia night. Um, and that is October 28th from 6:00 to 9:30 at Pedor Village Event Center. >> Oh, is it I'm sorry. You're right. That was changed >> to the fairgrounds. >> It's the fairgrounds. I had both of them here. You're right. It is the Elker County Community Center at the county fairs. My apologies on that. >> Uh, the deadline to register is the 26th of this month. each um team. It looks like it's a table for six people per team. There's a taco bar with dessert and a cash bar by the Go Brewing Company. >> And there is a traveling trophy that goes
029between the board and the administrative team. And I will make sure that after we win, we get to keep it again. And I'll show it to all of you. And by the outside chance the board wins, we'll we'll store it somewhere in here, maybe. So, are you organizing the team, Ryan? I just want to >> I am probably not going to be able to organize the team because I'm so booked full right at the moment. I don't have time to even organize anything and I cannot actually attend it. >> So, it would be a little difficult for me to organize something. I'm not going to. >> Can you give us the details then? >> Yeah, I can forward you the details. >> I think they were copied on the email, but I could forward it
030to the rest of the board. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Usually, we put a team together, so >> I hope you guys do. I mean, you can give up, too. >> So, did you did you contribute or were you just there for the show? >> I just listened to pretty much Javi, but mostly Dr. Metaf was the master of all important knowledge. Jav I think had a good sports answer in there. Did Chips? Who knows? A couple of those. Oh, Shakira was one of the answers. So, just saying. So, you know, good luck. I hope you guys do put a team together. We'll keep the trophy if you don't. >> Big talks here. Okay. Um, other committee uh reports as we look around here. >> You're not green, but I heard you. >> The music council
031meets tomorrow. >> Thank you. >> 6 p.m. >> Go green. It takes a while. Just click it. >> There you go. >> There we go. >> All right. Well, thank you. All right. All right. Well, then with that, that will con conclude our board committee reports. All right, we will now move on the consent agenda items and we will start with item 5.1, approval of accounts payable dated September 22nd, 2025 and payroll dated September 5th, 2025. 5.2, Parkside out of field trip to shed aquarium and 5.3 personnel. Anything that needs to be highlighted on the consent agenda items? >> No, sir, Mr. President. All right, with that, the consent agenda items are approved as presented. We will now move to action items, and we will begin with 6.1, which is approval of bus replacement. Dr.
032Evans, >> as required, we need to um have the board approve a bus replacement and a capital projects plan um each fall for the budget. So, the first item would be the bus replacement plan. What you might see there is that I have uh plans for two conventional buses and two uh SPVS or the smaller white buses each year for 26 27 and 28. Um so those are round numbers that gives us the ability to purchase but not the requirement to purchase. >> All right. Thank you, Dr. Evans. Uh can we have a motion and a second to open up item 6.1 for discussion and voting? I'll move for the passage of item 6.1, approval, bus replacement. >> Moved by Mr. Glick, seconded by Mr. Goodman. Comments, questions from the board on the bus replacement
033plan. I think Ryan asked it last year. You know, you're planning for the escalation of prices. >> Exactly. I put in four or five% increase each year. this year that wasn't enough. But um each will always take the purchases to you as a separate. This is just the requirement of the plan. >> They don't ever let you do like a contract where you lock in prices if you agree to purchase them. >> No, not for the buses themselves. For the fuel we can, but not for the buses. >> One, this is a general question. Um years ago, there was some discussion of lease versus buying. Is that nothing that is even worth investigating anymore or with interest rates it's not it's not viable anymore >> in a previous life I was in a district that
034did all three they would some we would purchase our buses we actually contract some of them out and released and I found that the the most uh efficient the most least costly what method was to buy our own buses and just run them that way um so I haven't been a big fan of leasing Well, I appreciate that. I mean, not a question what we're doing. Just I know it is something that was discussed many years ago. So, >> okay. >> Yeah. Some districts in southern Indiana that a lot of hills and a lot of mileage to cover might be a different discussion. I think we're pretty and Dr. Medat feels pretty confident probably about the fact that we buy these buses. They last a nice long time. >> Yeah. Then we, you know, once
035we own them, we own them. Um, we can we can keep them in service for longer than 12 years if necessary, as long as we get them inspected, um, yearly. And actually, once they get them 12 years, they got to be inspected, I believe, twice a year. Uh, our own maintenance department does a lot of work on our buses. And so, uh, we kind of we find it more cost effective to to do all that maintenance here rather than have to take it someplace to get some required maintenance. Other questions or comments from the board? Okay, hearing none. We have a motion and a second on the floor. All those in favor, please raise your hand and say I. >> I. >> Oppos? Same. Passes 70. Thank you. Uh, next 6.2 uh, hire kindergarten teacher.
036Missy. >> Yes, Mr. President. Uh, special circumstances uh, regarding hiring a kindergarten teacher. We did have somebody leave and then we need to replace them at Chamberlain. So that's that's what this and I think I've talked to all of you individually in regard to that. So uh I'm asking you to approve this teacher to be to teach for us. >> Okay. Uh may we have a motion and a second for item 6.2 for discussion and voting. >> I'll move for the passage of item 6.2 hire kindergarten teacher. >> Second move by Mr. Glick. Seconded by Mr. Goodman. Is there any additional questions or comments from the board from previous conversations? All right, hearing none. We have a motion to second the floor. All those in favor, please raise your hand. Say I. I. >> Same
037sign for opposed. Passes 70. Thank you. And lastly, 6.3 adoption of capital projects funds. Dr. Evans. >> Thank you. This is a carryover from the old budget uh methods. Also, we're required to list potential projects um over $10,000. And so I've listed 17 here. This doesn't mean that we would do all of these projects. They would all be brought to you separately if they met the cross threshold. Um, but we're required to submit a list of projects. And so that's what I've done. >> Thank you, sir. Uh, may we have a motion and a second for item 6.3. >> Move for the uh item 6.3, adoption of capital project funds. >> Moved by Mr. Glick, seconded by Mr. Goodman. Board questions, comments on the at least proposed capital projects. >> There was no changes, right,
038from the previous ones we looked at for this is the same other than the dates that I I know that the dates were changed, but >> also I should probably should have brought to your attention that I did put on there a maintenance truck and a maintenance van. I'm not sure we will purchase those, but those are on my capital projects on a separate page as well. Anything else from the board? Okay, we have a motion second on the floor for item 6.3. All those in favor, please raise your hand. State say I. >> I. >> Same sign post. Passes 70. >> All right, that concludes our action items tonight. We will now move on to item or discussion items and we'll start with 7.1, the proposed schoolboard compensation. So recap, Mr. voice from last
039meeting. >> Yeah. Very quickly, uh I put that in a memo to you all and we have uh option one, option two, and option three as mentioned before. Uh and you know, it's kind of up to the board to give me some direction. I mean, I my recommendations are going to be uh to if we were to add to this uh limitation. So, if we say uh option one is the $5,000, which is less than 10% of what the teacher or lowest teacher pay is. Uh option two is that same $5,000 plus a perdm per board meeting. And then I would just say if we choose that option, I would add up to two meetings per month or some put some stipulation on that. And then I would say the same thing for option three
040is that we would do the same $5,000 $100 per meeting up to two meetings per month. And then I would say uh $50 uh for attendance to committee meetings up to one per month. That way we're not having to do too many, you know, committee meetings, you know, and and uh like I said, not a concern with this board. You never know in future boards uh what might crop up. And so this just would avoid that for the future board to think about this is what the board policy would be. Um so I would be okay with three with those stipulations. Um I would be okay if you said no no we want two or we want one. But uh didn't know if there's any feedback you all had for me in that regard. >>
041So I know we talked about a little bit last meeting. I don't know any additional thoughts as people have considered the different options out there. You know, I was planning on looking the lob because I've been thinking about this earlier today and I I've got to working I forgot to go back and look it up. Does it specify literally that it's any meeting or it is only committees created by the board on the $50 options? Not I mean not saying that's the amount, but I mean like the type of meeting. >> I don't think it stipulates that, but I would think you all would. >> We would want to stipulate that. I think the law makes it or that it could be anything that you are representing the school system as a board member. You
042would be entitled to the 50 if if that's what we would come up with. I think what uh he's suggesting is we would want to limit it to committee representation. >> Correct. Because >> I know we've kind of discussed it that you know like if we create a committee to go over policy or create a budget >> items like that being different than you show up and go to a community foundation meeting and make report I mean thrs I wasn't sure but you said a board meeting I think that was what the length did the language say on option two board that would mean there would need to be at least four board members for it to be a board meeting. Correct. >> So, uh, committee members with one or two wouldn't necessarily be part
043of that >> description. >> Yeah. >> That would be option three. >> I think we we limited that one. Said the same language and then >> we say, okay, one meeting a month and that way the board makes your committee assignments and everybody agrees what they're going to do. And then if you go to that, >> it could be a nightmare on pay if we just started doing something crazy. And it's like, yeah, maybe you wouldn't bankrupt the schoolorporation, but Roger. >> Honestly, for simplicity, I'd like to go with option two and forget all the other meetings cuz I think it will take a lot more work on somebody's mind to track all that. And I would suggest we go with option two and limit it to 20 meetings a year. >> 20? >> Yeah.
04420 a year >> 20 a year because for instance this'll end up being three and I would prefer to go to 20 per year rather than two per month. >> Okay. >> Gotcha. >> Yeah. >> Throw that out as an ideal. >> So So maybe to >> Yeah. to that point we we had a like like Roger was saying a maximum number of meetings that would qualify. So we put 20 a year so yeah versus the two a month as an option. Yeah. >> Would include executive meetings, right? The 20. >> Yeah. Yeah. So if Yeah. The 20 would be executive sessions as well as normal board meetings or any type. >> If you have an executive session the same night as a board meeting >> that would not >> that would be one meeting,
045right? I mean because you're not literally meeting twice. >> I would Yeah. I would say if it's on the same date it would equal one meeting. >> Yeah. As opposed to two. >> But if we had a work session like we had one work session this year that would be an individual meeting. >> Are you allowed to have a work session without a quorum? I don't think so. >> It just wouldn't be a board meeting. >> Yeah. >> Be a meeting of a few people. >> Yeah. >> Wouldn't be a board meeting. >> You can't vote at work sessions anyways. >> Correct. No. >> So, it's let's say an educational work session we just had at our strategic planning and a couple of you came in. It wouldn't be a full meeting. But if we
046had a quorum here, then I think it would be official meeting. >> You're going to use up 20 meetings regardless. I I'm feeling like maybe I I appreciate where you're going with that, Roger, but I at least two. Like there's some months we'll only have one, but we some months we're gonna have three. >> Uh heaven help you. If you have to hire a superintendent, you're going to have some extra executive session meetings. I someday you'll have to go up to 24 number. But I would prefer an annual rather than a monthly. >> Yes. I'm liking where you're going. >> Yeah, I I appreciate that. Yeah. Other I guess thoughts. I mean, I'm not hearing a lot of love for option three. So, which is fine. >> I think that one gets confused. >> It
047does. Yeah. um because of any other meeting it becomes very loose like >> yeah we would have to then define very clearly >> what would and it's >> we've all said it we didn't come into this to >> one of the things though that uh I think that was just brought up that is important um when you do have to go through the superintendent pick it takes a ton of time Yeah. >> Is that is it wrong to allow for that? Can you put limits on types of meetings? So if you're going to write a policy, say, "Hey, you know, you get X number of executive sessions a year unless or maybe I mean you're taking out committee meetings and all that. I get that. I don't know what those meetings with the superintendent. They're
048all executive sessions, aren't they?" >> Yes, they are. The base is >> good job. >> The base is is going up as well. >> Correct. >> So I would say that that would compens that would that would >> help compensate for that whether we hit that limit or not. The base is going up too. >> So it would just fall into that just that rhythm. Right. >> If as example you put 30 down, I'm not saying that's the number, but say you put 30 of those board meetings down and you only use 24 of them. you know, you only get paid for 24, right? >> So, >> yeah, I mean, we can we can look at historically over the last 10 years, um, even if you would take into account when we did the search
049for a superintendent, had those executive sessions, I would imagine our average would still be less than 25 a year. So, there's probably an exception there that I'm not remembering properly, but yeah. So, so I guess do we at least hear consensus that option the way option two is at least you know >> is the best starting point. We just have to decide what the the the number we may want to put in there and you know whatever is proposed we can still amend it during our actual meeting. So if if we come in, if he for some reason puts 50 down, we say, "No, that's way too much. We want we can amend it down to 20 or 25 or whatever." Or if he we only put five in. We said, "Well, that's not enough."
050So we have that flexibility. It doesn't have to be perfect today. But we we don't want we want to be close at least. >> Terry and I could maybe dig into some of the old look how many board meetings they had per year and >> hopefully we got easy to gather that and we'll give you some idea >> even like in 3 had a lot. >> We would have had more. Yeah, >> you had a lot. So, >> 2020. >> So, one other question just for the sake of throwing it out, not because I think it's a better idea, but just another option. What would happen if it said $100 for each regular board meeting and then a limited number? I mean, because you're never going to have more than two a month. I don't
051think of regular board meetings. Um, but then have the limit placed on any additional executive sessions. I would say that and then we're going to have three this month because we have a time crunch on the budget because we have to do certain things in the budget. >> That's what I'm saying. Basically, your regular meetings are mostly unlimited because you're not going to go crazy with them. >> You're not going to have a regular meeting every single week of the year. >> That's true. >> So, it's naturally limited, but then you could say, "Hey, there's a maximum amount that you could factor in kind of what might hit a board without going crazy >> on those other types of meetings that the board holds. It's just I thought I'm not saying that's a better way
052to do it. >> Maybe we just like you said you guys just do a little quick just double checking how many we might have had you know even executive sessions. So we had >> based on some data Terry and I will put something together and bring it back to the board and uh probably in a discussion. I don't think we're ready to put it as an action or a excuse me a first reading. So maybe be like a first reading or last reading or before we take it to action but and then hopefully the next meeting or the next meeting we can get some consensus on this. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Um and then uh the added discussion item 7.2 the budget meeting time and date discussion. >> So we
053need to have it next Monday which is September 29th >> and it's at 6. Yeah, that's Yes, I since we talked this morning, I looked it up and it was advertised for six o'clock. So, I hope the board chooses six o'clock. >> Okay. >> There was a group lobbying to see if you guys could be here earlier. >> Uh but I hear I'm seeing some head shaking. No. Anyway, >> six o'clock is a lot easier. >> Okay. Six o'clock it is. >> Yeah. Well, I'll say what was being thorough. Could someone do like first thing in the morning like at 8 to 8? That that that was going to be the alternative. I know there were some messages back and forth about maybe five. The the crazy idea was could we just do a morning
054one, but we knew some people definitely couldn't already. So that was just going to be the idea. So but if it's been advertised in six, maybe it's a point. >> It's a moot point, right, Bob? Mr. Tell me. Okay, >> there you go. We're glad we added the discussion item. Yeah, good thing >> we discussed that one. >> We tried, Terry. I'm sorry. All right. All right. Well, that brings us to item eight, closing items tonight. Do we have any miscellaneous administrative items? >> Yes, we have the special board meeting Monday, September 29th at 6 PM. >> And then also our next regular board meeting will be October 13th at 6 PM here in this building. >> Okay. Um board items. Anything from the board miscellaneous tonight? Well, I'll say um a lot of us
055last weekend were at the ISBA annual conference. So, it's always a good opportunity to I guess hang out with our colleagues here, meet fellow board members, as well as uh hear some interesting panel discussions. So, I'll say every year I find something new I learn. So, appreciate the opportunity to go to that. Let me let me add to that because uh one of the keynote speakers um mentioned something about her own son and the son struggles and it was the school public school who uh gave him a sense of belonging, a sense of purpose and um by doing that helped the son be stable mentally. I hate to put words into her, but this kid was not doing well and she was fearful. Um and that's the power of a public schools and school systems
056that often gets uh lost in this uh academic achievement push that we do that that we do more than just educate people to pass an exam or a test. It it is lifegiving. So, and I know it has been good for my own kids and for many kids too, the sense of belonging. So, what highlight good end to that story, right? He was college, the best water polo goalie in the country. So, >> anything else from the board tonight? >> All right. Well, with that, we'll take a motion for adjournment. >> Motion, >> Mr. Goodman. Second, Mr. All those in favor please say I. >> I. We are adjourned. Thank you all very much. >> A little wordy, didn't we? >> We got close.