001Everybody's on. >> Are we recording? Yeah, we're good to go. >> Fantastic. Thank you all very much. Thank you for joining our December, >> what's the date today? >> 9th. Something like that. There you go. December 9th meeting. Uh we will begin today's meeting with um entertaining motions. Um, uh, I move to enter executive session to discuss the contents of the superintendent's annual evaluation, to discuss negotiations between the ICSD and the teachers association, and to discuss the performance and evaluation of a confidential non-managerial employee. >> Second move by Adam, second by Emily. Discussion, debate, questions, conversation. Hearing none, we'll call the question. All in favor? And that is all board members who are present. Uh we will be back close to 7, maybe a little bit before 7, but we know we still can't start
002the next meeting until 7. We'll see everybody shortly. Thank you. with uh are there any modifications to the agenda hearing? None. We'll continue which brings us to public comments. And we do have a name on public comment. And my apologies, I'm going to try to read it if I ap if I mispronounce the name. Morgan Grath James. Is that correct? Fantastic. >> Oh, hello Morgan. >> I'm Faves. I am in fifth grade. I come from PGFs. I have been working on two things that can make our school a little more efficient and welcoming for a low enough price. First, I put together some new bathroom ideas. I've designed the bathroom to go in three spots on each floor. Two on the far hallway from the point of view of the front desk and one on
003the closer hallway. For the design itself, it has three stalls plus one wheelchair accessible stall on the outside of the far left and far right stalls. There is four sinks, two on each side. The stalls also have easily flammable toilets with Florida ceiling doors on each stall. The walls will be made of drywall with paint or wood veneer depending on the placement of the stalls. They will be placed in odd numbers so they can fit with no tight wall base in between. Lastly, for the placement of the stalls, we will reuse the original space for the bathrooms but turn towards the hallway. For my second design, the gym, we could leave the whole arrangement except for the risers. We could take the risers out and put extendable risers where the risers worked. Because of the
004extendable risers, we have spaces. We have space for artificial turfs for sports like mini golf, small soccer games, and more. Plus, as an added bonus, less sports equipment will get stuck on the resume. If you would like to come to BGM to visit and get an idea of what the plans would look like, you're welcome to do it. So, a special thanks to all the people who supported me and helped me and specific ideas and styles you may consider considerings. >> Thank you. Thank you. Excellent. We have no one else signed up, so we'll ask for board responses. >> Morgan, thank you. And I saw Chris is here from the touch. Do you have one of these? I'm going to give this because this is for you. >> I do have my business card. in
005the years. >> Seriously, >> and I love that you mentioned an accessible stall. Like, thank you. Like, that was all very thoughtful and awesome. >> I just want to say thank you. I'm really proud of you. It It takes a lot of courage to stand in front of adults like this and that doesn't go unnoticed. And you had me smiling the whole time. I have three kids and I'm just I I admire you for doing this. I appreciate you for taking the time and for putting the thought into it to try and improve your school for yourself and the rest of your classmates. Um, and those kind of things make a huge difference for the district. I mean, we have board reps that come in and they give us ideas on and give us perspectives
006on things that we didn't even need to think about. So, I encourage you to keep doing that and it's it helps everyone. So, thank you. >> I agree. Thank you so much for coming. did a great job with your presentation and um I don't know maybe we'll see you on Shark Tank. >> You rock and you you reminded me that like one of the best ways to see if a district is really supported like like supporting students and sort like putting money where it goes I think is bathrooms because I think no one sees them except for the people who go in them and they matter for students like dignity and like like their experience at school. So, I appreciate you for bringing that and everything else that you brought. >> Thanks for coming, Morgan.
007This is exciting. As you know, um or you may know that Bath and J are already being um kind of the focal point right now at BJM. So, I do actually like jokes aside, uh Chris is the person who who helps the projects kind of come to fruition. And I think it's really helpful and timely to be able to have these ideas to turn to as we're thinking about ways to to improve them. Um because that work will continue over the next couple of years. Um I have a question. Well, I'm sure lots of people can answer, but though I've been to the BJM gym, I don't think I likely realized that there were bleachers. Like the bleachers are always out. that is there. I feel like that's not the case at most other elementary
008school gyms. >> I don't think they're always >> Well, he the ones on the top. >> Well, Morgan suggested fold out. >> I think they're talking about the ones on the top that aren't they're not pulled out like you would see if the Bliss gym, but they have because it's a hundred-y old it's 100y old building was built as a middle school. They have bleachers that are above >> the actual core. >> Uhuh. Okay. >> So, >> yeah. Okay. Well, you learned something new on top of everything else. Thank you. >> Which also shows that storage space, but it's way more innovative with that space as well, right? Being reimagined. Morgan, I'll just add to everyone else. Thank you. Um the the unfortunate part, my apologies, is that this will take a little bit of
009time. So, uh, the good part is that as already indicated by one of our board members is that we're in the middle of having this conversation right now. So, I am certain this will influence how we think about it. And in fact, uh, one of our agenda items later on this evening is talking about Ithaca High School and the bathrooms that are there as well. So, this is a key topic for us as well. So, thank you. We will be working with our architects. We'll be working with our facilities committee to explore and have a conversation and we hope to give you or at least give Miss Little an update to give to you in the very near future. Many many thanks. Thank you greatly. That's fantastic. I think we should just end the meeting
010now. >> Fantastic. Thank you again, Morgan. Greatly appreciated. Uh, that will bring us to our next agenda item, which is student reps. And I don't know if it's Epica High School or LACS. >> You guys want to last? >> Okay. Um, hi guys. Best to a bit. Um, guess we got a lighter night, so I guess I'll just jump in with There we go. Uh, I guess first things first, you're going to be receiving more from us uh lately. Uh Keith who's here tonight, our wonderful Keith has been working with the committee to put out a weekly newsletter about the happenings of LAS. Kind of relaunching some that we already had. Uh you should have gotten that. We hope you'll keep an eye on it. It'll have everything that just a lot of like some
011highlights of the school, what's happening in the uh in LAS. Um one of the highlights from this week is that of ballet dance, performing nutcrackers. camp is coming back this week to come hang out with students, talk about their experiences at LCS as a student and being a ballet dancer, which is really not a traditional career and how LCS kind of supported that, helped her get into that. Um, you also be receiving Emily's wonderful uh all school meeting updates. We have a really unique process for that and Emily does a really beautiful job summarizing that and with our unique democratic meetings, the process, the conversations, the topics are really interesting. really I I I enjoy reading them. So I hope you will too. Um and this Friday as as well is the LACS winter carnival.
012Uh that the winter carnival was born two years ago out of a student group and it's our biggest community event of the year. We're going to be hosting events like the silent auction and concert all of which are student run all student organized student facilitated everything. Um we'd love for you to come and say hi. There's a lot of love and effort put into these events. if you haven't been in prior years as well. Like students again they organize like sales uh events. They host games like anything fun to to en to hang out with everybody and really enjoy the winter spirit. It's a bit cold out so it's it's nice to have a warm inviting place. I've always found it um to be like an extension of joy in the building you feel when
013you're there and the fundraisers especially are always really creative and fun. So, especially like the time people like threw pies in my face for like Bitcoin dollars. It was a lot of fun. Uh, it's again thing I really love. It's all part of the greater mission of community we foster. It's this Friday 5:30. We we really hope you could make it. We really appreciate seeing you there. >> All right, that's me. >> Uh, I did love pine just for the record. >> And you you gave us money for that, too. >> Yeah. >> Um, all right. So this year we've had to uh quickly change our evaluation system which led to some issues due to us hastily pulling business together. I for one didn't even get the final documents until a day before it was
014due. So uh regardless we pushed through we got it done for the end of next cycle and uh the end of uh and next quarter as it is. Uh we are going to try and really make the process smoother which is going to give everyone more time to do what they need to do. allow teachers to have a better understanding of how the new system works and I think it'll just go a lot better next cycle. Um, on the topic evaluations, I'd like to give a little more explanation. For those of you who don't know, at the end of each cycle or quarter, we write a reflection on our performance in each class. After this, the instructor writes a response evaluation of our performance. We do this for a few different reasons, but but primary
015of these is to give our students a personalized and holistic understanding of our learning, inviting us to think and reflect on ourselves. >> Okay. >> Um the three of us are part of a Spanish trip this year. Uh it's a year round effort for a week-long trip in May. Uh and our group has done some really amazing things so far. Um I won't exhaust the topic as a number of us are here to present litter tonight. Um, hi everyone. I hope you're doing well. This past Thursday, the Ithaca High School Corral attended the annual VISMA conference. Uh, corral is a non auditioning choir. It was selected as the top high school choir in New York State this year. Um, they performed in Rochester for various musical personnel and it was a really cool experience. Um,
016the winter choir is tomorrow. The other music events in the Su the orchestra concert is next week on the 18th. Jazz Card is the 19th I believe. And I think today at the band concert with us on the 16th. >> Yeah. Hi everyone. I have some um starting off base for a big program. Last week a park team had their first home game of the season and come away with a big win. In the same week our indoor track team had their first meet at college and athlete did very well cross the vans and it's a great way to kick off the season. Thank you. Hey guys, very happy to see you guys and know that we have another meeting tomorrow next week. Um so first of all you guys you guys know that we
017have um sent out a rep board policy survey to the high school which was very successful. Um I've analyzed all the results and we'll be presenting that next policy meeting and has nicely uh printed out all the copies of the report and stuff like that. Um some of the highlights of the survey was that there's a strong support for uh student led voting and then a lot of the policies that we already have are strongly supported. So like four year I mean four four representatives one-year terms and um having more communication about our role in the high school. So with that we sent out a newsletter last month talking about what we did and the highlights of the uh the whole processes of the board and what the board also did last month. And then
018along with our other obligations as student revs, we also have these Monday meetings with Miss Arnold and Miss Tan. And at that meeting this week, we talked about some questions about recycling. So specifically, there's been questions about if we actually have a recycling dumpster at the high school. And u Miss Arnold told us that we're getting a dumpster coming in from Boseis um pretty soon hopefully, but we'll be following up with questions about that as well because recycling is very important to us. And then um another thing is lunch food and um uh some questions about portion size and nutritional value from the students. So um we've listened to these concerns and we're hoping to advise on potentially altering some of the um portion sizes or nutritional values as they come. And then um two
019updates about student led groups at the high school. So first of all, Code Red um no bias but is amazing. And we raised $10,000. We met our $10,000 goal in 28 days with our amazing um 60 team members and their amazing families. And this is apparently the first time that we've ever reached a fundraising goal with just coffee income. And it's also a 25% increase from last year's fundraising. And then um last thing is that we will be leaving early for some test tomorrow. But yeah, thank you guys. >> Thank you. Student prep board responses. lots of great stuff happening. I know in like our HR committee meetings, we've talked about how like the the benefit of just like putting out there really awesome things that are happen happening in the district and I feel
020like the six of you just shared a lot of them and this is more just me having a question as board member like >> what are the ways that like we share information like this maybe for myself and also for community members too. So want to be more and yeah >> well sometimes it comes out in the you know the monthly updates that go out like some of the things that were to corral being number one in the state I think was called out and that I mean there's always probably room to do more of that right but anyway that's one way that sometimes >> I would say there's there's at least three different things um we we've been having conversations with our communication team about push out information as well right so one is
021the ICSD insider which you will find and I would recommend folks take a look that um there are regularly uh press releases that get released and or emails that go both to uh any ICSD community member and local media. Um and uh a number of our educators uh write newsletters to their school communities. I believe all of our educators write um newsletters to their school communities uh on a regular basis. So doesn't mean that there isn't room for addition or for more, but those are at least three different areas where we've been very conscious. Oh, and website changes as well that happened. I'm looking at Katie. Should I ask him or anything more? >> Cian social media. My apologies. So, >> any other responses to our board reps? >> I just I actually thank you
022for these and anything you can share. I take it to my office. I work with people who uh we do positive youth development and uh I have last issue and got some comments from some colleagues who appreciated it being there. So, these things are really helpful and great and thank you. >> Uh, I'll just add I took a look at the LACS board rep handbook, >> uh, which was extremely impressive. So, thanks to I know one of the authors is here. Um, very well done and I'm very much looking forward to the survey results. Thank you for all the work that um, our IHS reps have been doing as well. uh our student reps are amazing and also serve different school communities in different ways and so we don't expect them to be the same
023and so I'm looking forward to this further conversation. Uh you've already joined one very engaging policy committee. Uh we have another one tomorrow. Uh so we'll be talking about that again as well. I'm looking forward to it. And I think I'd be remiss if I didn't say uh only because I know a number of the coaches who are young folks who went through the Ethica City School District. Uh but the boys varsity basketball team won their first game of the season. And congratulations to Coach Mack and the players and the other coaches that are helping. Uh it's an amazing thing for someone who's been here for 30 years to watch folks at UNU in high school now coaching and leading other employees. And so I just wanted to make sure I acknowledge that as well.
024Thank you, board reps. Appreciate it. We're looking forward to some additional conversations. Uh tomorrow, >> indeed. That's correct. Uh up next is the consent agenda, and we will entertain motions. >> Move to approve all consent agenda items listed in the consent agenda. Consideration of accounts personnel report evidence of the previous meeting is present. Moved by Adam, second by Jacob. Questions, conversation, discussion, debates. Uh then I will say just a couple of quick things. Um one I want to acknowledge uh we know that we live in a community um that values and supports education in a host of ways, time, expertise, uh volunteering skill set, and we also know that there are community members uh and organizations that contribute financially to the Epic City School District. So, part of the consent agenda includes a gift from
025the class of 1975 to support the Ithaca High School community closet. Thank you to the class of 75. Uh we have another gift from the Cornell Cooperative Extension of Thompson County to support the Enfield Edible and Equitable Farm School. Thank you uh to Cornell Cooperative Extension. uh we have IPI which almost on every agenda seems to be funding a program or a field trip or teachers in various ways. And so thank you to IPI for additional contributions for various educational funding. And then lastly, I would ask our school community to take a look at this you this meetings consent agenda if you want to get some idea of the way in which federal and state funds impact the programming that we do. We are approving the acceptance of a variety of state and federal funds,
026primarily quote unquote title one funds. And these title one funds go one for school improvement, uh two for 21st century community learning centers, uh for what the state calls immigrant education, not my language, uh what the state also calls English language learner education, and lastly, universal prek and prek school education. And so I make mention of these and normally I would not highlight them, but given a number of conversations we've been having around what federal and state funding may look like moving forward, you get some idea of the kinds of programs that the district relies on to support various students in that way. And so, uh, it'd be a good idea for folks just to take a look and have a little bit better understanding of how federal funds come in to support our programming,
027especially around prek, transportation, uh, you name it. So, Uh with that being said, revert back to the thank yous to our local community organizations for doing so as well. If there are no other comments or discussion, we can call the question. All in favor? All opposed? Any abstensions? I have >> uh and no Emily is off the >> Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Motion passes. Um, Dr. Brown unfortunately is unable to join us this evening. I was saying to board colleagues, I believe this may be the third meeting in 14 years that Dr. Brown has missed. Been a pretty incredible track record, but he's not here. Which means I think we will skip over the superintendent's report for this evening and we will go right to district business. And that brings us to hear
028a great deal more about the LACs International Trail. You can have a quick One second. I'll figure out the whole thing. But shirt. >> Okay. Hi guys. You haven't seen me for a bit, but you hear my voice a lot, so I won't be saying too much, but this is the work to the LS Spanish trip. We're go we're hoping to go to Valencia, Spain May 16th to May 23rd. This there's a lot of Spanish strippers in the room. We're we're happy to see them. Uh but we just want to give you an idea of what this trip looks like and who we are. So, you know me. I'm Julian. Um >> I'm Victor. >> I'm Teddy. I'm >> so done >> and we're gonna talk. This is our 31st iteration of this. >> We've
029been doing this for a bit. >> Um to go over some safety things that we are implementing and we have implemented in past trips on past Spanish trips. Um it's a lot of information I know. Um, so Spain is a level two on the travel advisory created by the Department of State, which just means to proceed with caution, which we were already planning on doing no matter where we were traveling to. Um, students will have access to their cellular devices where they can get in contact with their host families, um, families here, um, other members on the trip including staff. Phones will have international plans. uh host families um all have experience in hosting um exchange students and um we are getting and we have a contact in Spain who is helping us set up
030those host families as well as set up the classes we will be in in Spain. Um students will always always be in trios or larger groups including when they are in our scam houses. Um and we will also have trip insurance that is built into our budget cost which is $40 a person. Okay. So this is our itinerary on the afternoon and on May 15th we're going to take a bus down to the JFK airport in uh New York City. That evening, we're going to board a flight overnight. Hopefully, it's um going to be American Airlines flight number 94. And then when we get to Madrid, we're going to take a train from Madrid to Valencia. It's a highspeed rail. Um on the 17th, we're going to spend the entire day settling with our host
031families. And then we're going to start classes during the week every day. We're going to have classes in the morning at Spanish Institute. And then in the afternoon each day we're going to have a different cultural experience. So on the 18th we're going to have a guided tour of old Valencia. On the 19th we're going to visit the Srano Towers and the de On the 20th we're going to have a beach day. On the on the 21st we're going to learn how to make paella and visit local markets. On the 22nd we're going to have a closing party with host the host families and all of us on the beach. And then on the 23rd, we're going to reverse the entire process that we took to get there. And hopefully the flight on the way
032back will be American Airlines flight 95. And our goal is to arrive back in Ithaca hopefully in the mid afternoon to the evening. >> Right. Let me break down the logistics for a trip. The high costs are mostly plane tickets, which are around $800 per person, and our classes and host family through the school, which are around $700 per person. That leads us to the financial goal of $2,000 per student on this trip with some room. Um, this group has 17 students and three adults. And so including everything and with some wiggle room that costs us $40,000 for the trip of this scale. All right. So funding thing in general holds a key value for LACS overall. It allows us to communicate and connect with even outside resources to support the C and LACS our
033community. It shows responsibility, communication, and collaboration skills which are important for the success of this trip in general. In our group specifically, we have a robust fundraising calendar including throwing dances such as Bolic, Winter Wonderland, and the Halloween dance. There are many more to come. We've also done some yard work around town. And as Julian said, LACS is having a winter carnival on Friday. And what we are doing to fund raise is to host a silent auction before the carnival from items that were donated to us from local stores everywhere and we are hoping it will bring a good bit of money as well. Some other fundraisers we are offering or planning to do in the future are bake sales, babysitting, coffee sales, and also a citrus sale, which includes grapefruit and oranges because they're
034nutritious. >> Delicious. >> Any questions? >> Thank you for that. Thank you for hosting. >> So here's a question. Part of the reason when the board began asking for presentations for international travel was a recognition to ensure that we are reaching out to the widest population of students to make the trip accessible. >> So and I don't know if this is a question for you or for the leaders, right? But trying to figure just to help us understand about how the trip was made as accessible as possible to students who may want to participate. I mean I can I can kind of answer some of that. The the biggest barrier of course this kind of trip is funding and LS with our like funding culture sorry fundraising culture the majority of funds will come from
035that fundraising. We don't ask for huge donations from families because we don't feel that it's appropriate to ask for that. Of course we may ask for small scale but it's hard to not do that. That's the that's the biggest barrier. There is a Spanish language requirement to go on this trip. you are going to Spain, we and ideally you come back speaking very pretty good Spanish we take um so with that but ideally there is zero financial barrier to this trip like you should be if anyone from any economic background should be able to come on this trip and as long as you're enrolled in Spanish you're committed you you help out with these fundraisers then you can you can come on Spanish trip and you should be able to win Spanish >> are there
036people who maybe wanted to do this year that couldn't grow because of the number of slots or how did you how did you guys decide on the number of people? >> Um in years past that's been an issue uh for like in actually most recently it hasn't been a lot a lot again a lot of students go through the advanced levels in-depth levels of Spanish knowing that they want to take this trip at some point. So it's it's almost a self trip. This is a it's a it's a lot of fundraising. It's a it's a commitment. So you're aware of that when you come in. It's not you can't really accidentally join Spanish trip. But again in years past um last year we not last year two years ago we took 25 kids. Nobody was
037bumped if they didn't. And this year I'm Norah, you can correct me, but I don't believe we had anybody bumped this year. >> But yeah. >> Yes, we have for more than >> And because this trip happens every other year, those sophomores or freshmen always have another opportunity to go on this trip. They get that. But >> should we presume this is during trips week? >> Yes. This will be our treasury. >> So, um, thank you for specifying about the bus transportation because when I was looking at the document and I saw the flight was leaving the end of the day. >> How are you getting to the airport? Yeah. So, I'm assuming the transportation would be a district um sponsor transportation >> coach. So, I know. >> Yeah, that' be ideal. And um you've
038worked with this group before, >> the converser. >> Yeah, conversation. So, no, we we invest two years ago. So, we every year it really is a group decision where we're going. We we it's not me that say, "Oh, I decided I'm in the mood." Uh so they really wanted really the place they really wanted to go was actually Peru but Peru is not doing well politically speaking. So it's a big no. I mean they they truly push it but no. And uh so uh then we thought Costa Rica was another uh big one. Costa Rica ended up being extremely expensive. Crazy expensive. like I'm sitting shock of how much money can cost for the person to go for a week. And so the last budget we got was $1,200. No teachers. And I said, "Well,
039hello. Uh these are high school students. We they are going to be adults. How are not included?" No, you're not included. >> You pay for your own thing. No, we don't. We as LCS don't function like that. So we two years ago we went to Granada and it was amazing. It was very successful >> uh >> and uh just so I I thought well you know let's try another place in Spain. I thought Santa is a small I don't know sorry name things. Uh, and the people who we did the Granada trip with never never ever come back to me. In fact, we have a situation where they don't uh answer back to you or they come with with badges that are uh $3,000 a week in Costa Rica, $2,000 a week in Costa Rica.
040But really prices that like Julian was explaining, we as from LCS will never ever ask a family to put $2,000. It doesn't occur to us. It will never occur to us. That's not how we operate. The idea is that everybody who has taken or is taking elective Spanish classes, this is the requirement. This is a real requirement. uh can go. So because in the mornings for four hours a day they're going to take Spanish classes. So you kind of need to like this. Uh so we ended up in Valencia is there. I know there I want to go to a place that sounds, you know, like I'm not going to get lost now. And it is beautiful. It's very safe. It's well located there. We always I used to do that with T office for
041many years. We always connect with the we don't work with the agents with the companies. We work with the schools. So it's school to school and that's how we work it and the school always provides with the classes in the morning and the cultural activities in the afternoon. So we the kids are most of the time together and with us and of course they have time to to be to enjoy to impact the culture like Emily wanted desperately like I want everybody to have culturally you know to be in a place to suck it up into the like what does it mean to be in a place where people speak Spanish. So that's that's why we're doing it and these people we have 17 G I say I'm sorry amazing they work their you know
042they they kid we did three dances already three dances like no yes so uh they deserve every support please come to the carnival it's going to be fantastic so yeah if I can add to that thanks Nora, thank you Nora. >> Um, if I can add to that, I this is my second time on the trip, which doesn't usually happen, but I'm coming back to TA it and I'm really, really, really excited. I had a wonderful time in Granada two years ago. I came and presented to the board. I was in in Lower York. It's my first time there, so that was that was exciting. Um, the amount of work that goes into making this trip happen is astounding. Um and it's work that all of us are doing and making sure that all of
043us are putting in so much effort to make this happen for all of us. Uh so it's really it's a shared trip, a shared experience and a shared responsibility in the year leading up to when we actually do this thing. Um and then the week there is spectacular. Um I learned so much. I had some like unforgettable experiences. I got to see uh the Alamra which was amazing. Um all in all it is one of the most worthwhile and incredible things I've been able to do as part of Lisas. And the biggest part of that is my ownership of the trip along with all of the other people taking it. um all of the work that we put into it throughout the year. >> Board members, any other questions that you may have? Yes. >>
044Yeah. No, so I didn't you could do these kind of things until like my senior in college in high school and I didn't do great academically. My friends didn't do great academically and we I just I I was never even exposed. I didn't even know his thing. And my senior year in college, one of my friends who junior was like, "I'm going to see Spain." I was like, "Oh, okay. Cool." And then he came back and just had the best stories and made some friends that are now are some of my best friends like it. And then I thought about I didn't really get out of the country until I was 27. I went to my friends woman and went to the Philippines and it was it was one of the most eye opening experiences
045and it just changed my perspective. It shattered my perspective on so many things. was living in New York City at the time thinking that you know life is all about money and success is all about money and career and all this other you know and and like their family I mean they lived in a they lived in a tin house with like dirt floor and they had no money and they were the most like happy loving like giving people and they just want to cook for us and like do all these things and just everybody and it was just that was just a piece of it but it just it would I think to have that like at a younger age would have been you know it's transformative and I love that we do these
046things but like that raised something of like I never even knew that these things existed. Um so like I I I I could have benefit from from it. My friends could have benefited from it and I don't it's yeah if there's a way to somehow expose more people to it I think is again I want to share it's one of the most transportive things you never do is to be like you know immersed in a totally different culture and like see things from your own eyes and feel it and hear it and taste it. It's like you know it's so I I'm I'm so happy that everyone's doing it and I would love to see more people have the opportunity to do it. So >> yeah, to add to that, this is would be the
047first time for a lot of our group leaving the country and even the state. Yeah. >> Um >> yeah, I said we I never left the state. We grew up poor and we had one vacation here and that was to >> my mom's high school friend owned a cabin there. So it's like my world is very small. You know, my perspective on things was very small. I wasn't exposed to a lot of things and um that you know, your world becomes bigger when you get exposed to more things and you become more open-minded and um start to realize how small the world actually is. the the world. Yeah. >> Uh Jacob and then >> I um first you taught all these high schoolers. >> That's about there's more on my tongue that I was able
048to pull back. >> Sorry. I'm sorry. >> Moment of >> We're good. >> I don't I just have a general question. Someone had asked me after another international trip. Yes. >> I'm just curious how does it work with like school district policy liability in I saw something around insurance. I just wanted to know more. >> Yeah. I mean that's part of the reason why the board votes on it. The board is required to vote on any international travel. A full expectation that folks would be uh within line of what general best practices are. It sounds like that's taking place on this trip as well. Uh it usually gets vetted through um our legal team where there's been some conversation. Uh one of the main stipulations for this year I think as was indicated by um
049I forgot tell me your name again. >> Teddy. Thank you Teddy. Um talking about that uh Spain being a level two or identified as a level two travel destination. Uh the district clearly will not support unfortunately whether it's a good idea or not level three or level four travel destinations. And so there is conversation about all those things that take place and we have said no to some trips because of concerns either around safety, around financial costs, around you name it. But this part of the reason why we've engaged in this process. I probably want to say for the past six years we've been asking folks to come at least present to us what the expectation is. So the board make an informed decision rather than just getting the forms that we get and voting
050yes. So that's part that's a small portion of how it operates. Did I answer some question? >> Yeah, thank you. Yeah, >> I can clarify one thing as well. The $2,000 per head budget that includes any form of play insurance, travel insurance, that's all there. >> Embarrassing. >> I want to add one more thing. No swearing. Promise. No. Yes. I promise to drive my bus. Okay. >> Um, no. But like it it it opened up my world to want to explore more places. And I'm just wondering like is there less expensive opportunities that are more accessible? I mean going to New Orleans for the first time like how is this in America? You know like culturally it is so different. Going to Tennessee I'm like how is this America? This is not this and it
051just it it is eye opening like there's places again like absolutely. So and I don't know if those exist or like how they do. So um Mr. Mr. Harrington I know they call you Keith. I'm still going to call you Mr. Harrington. Mr. Harington. I think what I just heard is we have a school board member uh who's willing to be a >> chaperon for one of the LAS trips. >> I didn't know that was a thing. I will pay my way and it's not just LACS that travels to a variety of places. There are short-term places that happen within the high school as well. So we'll follow >> yeah there are trips that are cheaper like there's a rock climbing trip that goes to Pennsylvania. There is a there's a hurricane relief trip that
052goes down to I believe >> Asheville they Asheville and previously New Orleans. >> Nice. >> That's also a little bit more a bit more affordable. They also do a lot of fundraising and there's several others as well. Yeah, >> I feel compelled to say when I worked at LACS, I rode my bike to Kingston, Ontario. >> So that was my passport stamp was riding a bike with 15 students. Y >> and then getting a ride home. >> My apologies. You say things then we're going to keep moving. >> Oh. Um last year we went to Niagara Falls as a field trip on a frame as most people. >> It was so awesome. It was >> we support ours trips. >> So we'll find more ways to support additional style. If any other more questions from
053the board about this specific trip in particular >> one question, do we normally send our principal to the trip? Because I noticed that you're one of the individuals go. >> We have uh >> especially given it's your first year and the parents are okay with you go. We will we will find a qualified uh interim person while Mr. H is gone. >> My daughter has not forgiven Mr. H for leaving Enfield Elementary School. >> No, no. I'm saying I I volunteer myself to be that person. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> I'm going to call the question. >> All in favor and Emily's in the room as well. Is that unanimous? Unanimous. Please keep us posted. Good luck with the fundraising. I look forward to buying some citrus. Go get it. It's so much less. >>
054We have one more agenda item. more colleagues. >> We're going to keep our meeting moving as much as possible. Our last agenda item is 12.2. Um, >> yeah, we're going to keep going. Ethica High School of Capital Improvement. Uh, and I don't know is that are we bringing up Chris to have this conversation? >> Yeah, all three of us. >> Oh, Chris Dan and Carrie >> and Carrie. Thank you very much. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Okay. Yes, we're all set. We're ready to go. >> Thank you for the opportunity to present to the full board. Uh this is a followup of a com several conversations. The most recent of which was at facility committee. So thanks to that committee for, you know, moving it along in the process. Um we're here to talk about a
055proposed capital project that includes work at Ithaca High School. Um we'll talk a little bit about the reason why this work is required. Uh among them safety, hygiene, code compliance, um including the building code and uh Americans with Disabilities Act. Um Miss Burke will talk a little bit to the use cases. um in terms of the the student groups that use this facility. Um and uh I won't really talk about this, but keep in mind that while um there are many ways that a school district communicates to its community. One of those is about fiscal responsibility. Another one is the is the facilities communicate to your students every day. Um so keep that in mind as we're looking at um some of the facilities here. So with that um we could advance to slide one
056slide. So to review um this is a floor plan of Ethica High School. In the bottom you'll see Bliss Gym and then the next big rectangle is the pool. Um the green and gold highlighted areas around those represent square footage that has been identified in the boys's bathroom on the left. girls bathroom and sha this the bathroom I'm sorry the boys locker rooms including the shower rooms and bathrooms on the left the girls locker room shower room and bathroom areas on the right and in the center at the top that sort of L-shaped green uh area with its corresponding smaller gold area is a genderneutral and community area that is another way of accessing the pool. So, those are generally the the zones uh that we're we're recommending for renovation. Uh before we look at
057a couple slides, uh just, you know, to summarize the the existing conditions, um Miss Burke is going to speak to a little bit to some of the student groups, the student athletes, um and other use cases. >> Yeah. So, a lot has changed, I think, in the time since those locker rooms were first constructed. Our students during the school day are not typically changing to engage in PE, but those spaces are still used by those individuals. Um, as well as our student athletes, multiple teams. We had in fall season over 570 student athletes across all of our programs. Over 170 in Ithaca High School alone, maybe more actually saying that. And um there are multiple uses. There's the those uh I you have a pointer here, but like the areas closest to the pool are
058used by our swimmers before and after. >> Thank you. >> So those showers, right, that border the pool are used by our swim team before and after sessions. Um certainly the bathrooms are getting used. We have dozens of teams and athletes um can converging on those spaces before they go out to fall sports or winter sports or spring sports. And um those spaces are not necessarily used by our weight teams but have the possibility to be to do so. We also um we mentioned Chris like we have a family swim that we're doing for staff and their family members and yep that would be the space that would be ideal for their use >> in terms of vaccines for >> okay I want to talk a little bit about some of the current state right
059that we have right here. So, um, we're really focused on ADA compliance and access, but also privacy. Um, so the first thing we're looking at is we have to provide a a rinse and a cleanse legally at each of the entryways of uh, if we went back to this slide. Uh, so at each of the entryways, we have to have two um, showers here, uh, two here and two here. and we have to have a rinse and a cleans a cleanse, excuse me, and that's um that's code compliance. Um but also we've heard from the students about privacy. We have heard that a lot of the reasons that the students don't use the showers is because there there isn't any privacy. You can kind of see from these open shower areas uh right here. Um
060so we want to provide at each entryway a rinse, a cleanse, and then two private showers. So, so if I go back to this, um, I'll say that there'll be four here, uh, four here and four here. So, that's what we're proposing. Um, we're also doing that because, as you can see, um, this is the existing these are the existing showers and, uh, bathrooms that were installed in what, 1967? >> 1960. No, I'm okay. My bad. I needed seven years. 1960. Um, but also you can see, um, we have cracks. We have, you know, we have different cracks here. Uh, it wasn't built for ADA compliance. This is actually making it inaccessible for people to get to the shower and to the um, uh, the drying area. And a lot of these cracks have created
061trip hazards, sharp corners. So, not only is it not ADA accessible and compliant, but it's also somewhat of a safety risk as well. You can also see we've had some drainage issues. This is in the boys's bathroom. And then we've had some drainage issues in the girls shower area as well. We'd like to fix those as well. And we generally want to make a better layout uh to provide ADA compliance and accessibility for all students um as well. So, the next one you'll see we we're also having ADA compliance issues in our bathrooms as well. You can see these sinks are not accessible as well as their different sizes. Um, uh, you can see the sinks right here as well. Um, so we'd like to redo these bathroom spaces. And then we've also heard from
062our students that they'd like to increase the number of stalls in each of these bathroom spaces to six. I believe they're at three. Is that correct? >> We have four. >> Four. Okay. So, we'd be adding two more. >> Um, okay. If >> I could just add that ADA is the Americans with Disabilities Act. It's a federal civil rights law that was enacted in 1990. And it is a code requirement that when we work on facilities of this nature that you comply with that law. >> And in my time working with facilities um, and our students and our board reps, it has been something that all of our board reps have asked in all of our bathrooms as well. So we want to be cognizant of that and we want to acknowledge the feedback of
063our students. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Yes. So we saw some examples of safety which is sharp tile edges. There are also some uh you know metal door frames like the ones we have in this building that are rusted out and creating sharp edges. Um, obvious hygiene issues that we've talked about, those cracks that we see in the walls, harbor, um, harbor, you know, materials that that, uh, aren't aren't really beneficial and and make cleaning, uh, difficult for your staff and maintenance difficult for your staff. >> Um, we talked about the code requirements for for every entrance to the natorium. >> Yes, >> each of the three entrances require that um, accessibility. Uh, okay. So this is a summary of the anticipated costs. So these were arrived at in conjunction with uh campus construction management who
064is your construction management firm who also assists us in cost estimating. Uh this is reflective of a blended rate of square footage costs that we see from the market for similar work. Um that we're using as a to establish a budget. So this is a proposed budget for this project. Um and you see the total at the bottom. limits a little bit more than $2 million to renovate this. Um I'll thank you. I'll point out also line number seven. >> The bleachers are also >> that is included. So replacement of the bleachers in Bliss Gym in >> it's not just the shower room. It's it's also >> Yeah. Thanks. Um, so the uh the funding capacity for this work uh is covered under the the uh 2019 bond referendum and the approval that you received
065from voters uh to to uh do work up to a certain limit. Uh this falls within that limit. So you can use that approval uh to seek uh approval from the um from the state education department who's who issues your building permits for this work. Um, you might want to share that you were able to fix some of the drainage in a in a more of a cost savings way. Did you want to add that too, Todd? I know you had asked that question. Chris, I think Chris has a a solution that kind of meets some of the feedback you've given us. Yeah, we've done some some more field work and you know on line items one and two, the renovations to some of these shower stalls would include fixing what we have discovered to
066be a uh basically incorrect plumbing uh that is resulting in crosscontamination. So that's worked that's worked into the work that we can do and we can take care of that. um while we're in there doing that kind of work, it's sort of like, yeah, we're doing work right here, so let's fix it right there. So that's that's part of the efficiency that you gain. >> Yeah, because I think last time we talked, we weren't sure what the issue is and you were able to actually determine like where that >> disconnection happened. Okay, it's good. >> So we know how to what we think is going on and how to fix that. >> So as we proceed, I'm sure there's going to be some other questions. I just clarity of what we're discussing. We This is
067not a proposal for a new capital project. This is using funds from the pre-approved 2019 capital project which still has some resources available. And so the real question is are we going to give approval to begin this process to draft the plans to go through SED approval and with a possible construction date of or when? That depends on approval, but I think that we would >> if we're able to begin this, um, we could anticipate summer of 2027 as a reasonable construction time. >> What's the turnaround from SED now plans? >> Um, roughly their technical review is relatively short right now. A matter of single digits of weeks, uh, which is good. It's been up to close to 50 weeks at times. um that's not all of it. So, usually we're seeing two to three
068months and we get approval um that that grants the school district a link permit to do the work. >> So, then one other question. So, and then and I did not see and my apologies if this is on tonight's agenda as a discussion item or so we're discussing this evening to bring back again for a possible approval and vote to move this forward. Right. >> Sorry. >> So, I have a question. Um, you know, as you know, there's a difference between ADA compliance and ADA best practices. And so, I'm I'm excited to see this and this being a focal point. I'm wondering if we're consulting with anyone with those accessibility needs. So, I'm thinking um bringing in someone who's a wheelchair user. When I see the non-gendered shower and drying rooms, that's really exciting to
069me because I think of uh students and athletes that need support. Uh, in fact, my own kiddos, one of them who needs support in a locker room and their support person might be of a different gender. So, they would need support in a genderneutral room, but making sure that there are privacy matters and dignity matters that are addressed. So, are we, you know, nothing about us without us? Are we consulting people with disabilities to make sure we're following best practices along with ADA compliance? >> We could certainly integrate that into the design process. >> Okay. >> Yeah. the the non-gendered rooms we're thinking about is goes back to the community. I think that's an exciting part of this project. The community space right here. >> Yeah. >> So, we're so Carrie under her leadership's done
070a great job of uh making this a community having the pool open the community and so that when they want to change that, this will be a non-gendered space and they could also access it from this hallway as well. >> That's excellent. So it's it's it's thinking of families but also people with disabilities with support needs but like all in the same right >> and I we hear a little um rationale around the replacing of the bleachers. We you know the the bleachers is interesting because I believe the bleachers have already been approved by the board some time ago. We have just put this in um to show the total uh we've done and we have done multiple bleacher presentations. I I'm happy to do a quick explanation if you'd like to. >> No, I'll
071I'll forward you some of the other facilities committees. Um the bleachers are uh >> on spring. >> Yeah. Are significant concern. >> Okay. Thank you. Speak. So I'm I'm as I try to wrap my head around this. I'm just curious. Um, so yet you've named like ADA compliance issues. I'm also curious. I assume that we have many ADA compliance issues in our district. >> Sure. >> And I'm just so I'm curious how I don't know the scope of them and I'm not sure why it's like why this as opposed to >> others. Um, >> I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure because I think you you at first I got the impression that like this is legally required to use these specific fixes, but is that the so generally the application of the ADA code
072is when you touch something and you do new work on it. Yes. >> You have to install the replacement or the renovation in compliance with the new code. >> So you're not required to go retroactively back and fix everything that >> no longer meets current code. So just to be clear about that. So there, yes, throughout New York State, many many schools have many situations that don't meet current code requirements, current ADA requirements, but uh that doesn't mean you have to go back. >> Yeah. >> And the code is constantly changing. So you could never it's financially impossible to like every 5 years you're updating every all these things in the building. So if you go to renovate and usually a certain percentage, too, like if you were replacing tiles, you don't have to bring
073it up to ADA. But this is enough work where it triggers through the building code that the the building code requires to bring up just to ADA standards. So J >> I think to answer your question >> is sort of how are we prioritizing one space over another is that >> that's that's more what I'm asking. >> So then so that's part of the whole process that we do through facilities committee. >> Yes. >> Uh sometimes as well as through finance because depends on what building and how much money we have available to spend and what the aid is returned. Yeah. And that was part of a financial presentation that we can get back to. But it's a ongoing conversation about what spaces will be next on the list. And there's been times where we've
074had multiple lists. Like we know we're not going to do it in 2027, but it's going to be done in 2028 or we're planning an office to be done in 2029 if we go out for another capital project. But those are all conversations that take place all year round about which spaces and what is a priority, what is not a priority, what what can make it another year patchwork, what cannot make it another you year to patchwork. So partly I'm saying this to you but also to our community is to recommend watching the facilities committee meetings to get an idea and then part of this is also I know through OACM using acronyms other folks do but having conversations about our >> architect construction manager meetings that happens on a monthly basis. >> Jake, if
075I would add one thing. Yeah, >> we started this project because we uncovered significant drainage issues. That's how this project started. Our staff brought it to our attention. We uncovered drainage issues in both the boys shower room and the girls shower room that were significant and because of that we realized it was a high priority because of those issues and then once to Chris's point once we touch these spaces uh it we know we have to bring them up to code but it's also a great opportunity for us to to provide ADA accessibility for our children at the same time. So, it's a both end if you does that make sense. Everything that has been said makes sense. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I have questions. No one else does. Um, when we toured, we went
076into the pump room. Yeah. >> And there was like that one really concerning slow leak that we've been having. I didn't see that on here. Is that being incorporated that >> that is we didn't we didn't take it we didn't include the picture of that. But that is part of when I highlighted the drainage issues. I I was That's me. We incorporated the drainage issues in the in the girls shower room. That's that's the one we're including. Yes. So, we're gonna include both of those drainage issues um in uh in this uh work. >> And then I mean I'm curious about what does renovate means because that's very ambiguous and could mean a lot of things. Um so what does that mean? Are we are because originally we talked about ripping out you know all
077the concrete new foundations all new plumbing like that it could go to that extent part of it was because we didn't know where the plumbing issue was. I know there are plumbing issues. So how do is there is there value engineering that's going to happen you know in order to do this more cost effectively and um so I I guess I'm trying to understand like what is ren define renovate. >> Yeah. Um, well, it doesn't it doesn't include foundations. We hope. I mean, that would that would uh that would be >> but I mean like removing the entire I thought origing slab. I don't know if you know what the structural components of it was, but um in order to get to the old plumbing to to replace >> as needed to fix the plumbing,
078>> right? So, I'm just I'm wondering like is that defined and like what what is that like what is the extent of renovate? I'm just curious like >> um well it will probably vary space by space and some of that results in uh will be a result of the design process. For example, uh in the shower drying room areas, say like here and up here that are currently being used for storage, >> we might say, "Okay, let's uh eliminate the floor drains um and just finish that space out. knock a hole in the wall, put a door in so that that can elevate the use of that square footage that you're maintaining in this building for storage um and make it more useful. So, that's one uh layer. Uh bathrooms are a more intensive layer
079that would be removing fixtures. Sometimes, you know, as you know, you need to space them out a little bit more to to uh provide the ADA clearances and stuff that are recommended. Um we would recommend new tile um on the walls for example and the floors um and floor drain relocations as necessary. That that sort of thing in the in the bathroom areas, new partitions, new toilet fixtures, um new sinks, you see some pictures of them. Um and a similar level of renovation in the shower areas. So, one of the things that we can do um to to your comment about value engineering. So, on the bottom in the middle here is uh a picture in the girls shower area. Those are four shower stalls. None of them, you know, meets ADA requirements. Um but
080we would imagine renovating that area to relay out those walls, provide new fixtures. Right. Some of them, if you walk around, you probably saw they're just like leaking, right? Um, so there's a clear need for just new infrastructure in a in a kind of a basic way there. >> Uh, we may be able to keep some of the group shower areas um a little bit more as they are existing right now. The use case there would be a swim team of 15 people that, you know, quickly needs to rinse and get into the pool for practice, for example. That can happen more quickly in an open shower area. So u those are some of the thoughts um to to work with the existing areas renovate what we think is uh is necessary. I'll point out
081also that um the areas with lockers you know sort of all along here the PE lockers um generally are not used uh thoroughly. These again this this was designed a long time ago. Students don't change. Uh there is a need for team locker rooms. We've heard that in some of the um the discussions that we've had. We're not even going that far. So, this is really a a relatively basic plumbing uh and and storage room renovation in part of the space that could benefit from from certainly more renovations. >> So, so any abatement? >> This would include abatement as needed. Um we're reviewing the records that we have. You know, luckily we do have some history with this building and and do know a lot from the Ahira reports as well as um sort of
082anecdotal testing that we've done associated with other capital projects in this building. >> Do you guys have the original like construction documents that have like dem Okay. Because that's what me and Dan were curious about before. >> Yep. >> Um is is there any of the original infrastructure you can keep because that's going to be the most expensive part everything that >> Sure. There's there there are pipes that can be capped off soon. >> Yeah. >> Um and you know one thing I >> before you go that so I'm with you Todd and I know this is your area of expertise but what do we think the life the >> it's I mean it's it's copper I mean there's different materials so like understanding that >> we're at 80 years now. >> I believe it's
083cast iron. I was going to say you said 69. So >> 60 1960 I >> So we're we're 65 years. You think we can get another? >> I don't know because I I don't know what the material is, but that's what I was wondering like we have the construction documents. It allows us to actually like look at this more strategically instead of saying like you know rip everything out. We we know what's behind the walls hopefully >> and and those documents actually helped us figure out what was going on with our crosscontamination and everything happened over the years to to result of that situation. >> Yeah. So they've been very useful >> to Sean's point like is there infrastructure that we can keep you know whether whether it's like the the hot water lines or
084the drain lines and like so I looks like we had so that's okay. Good. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> If we move a shower to a different place we're probably going to move that. >> If we move a toilet to a different place we're going to move that drain. >> So certain parts will be replaced. Uh the mains seem like they're in good enough shape. Um >> although we've u in recent years u if you talk to Sean Ward for any amount of time um you'll get the experience of him cleaning you know vapes out of things and it's amazing what can actually fit down the toilet. So uh there are you know there they're definitely um it's taken it's taken a beating over the years and they get in there regularly and clean that stuff
085out. So with that additional use and getting drain brain and rotor router and you know um that that adds wear and tear. So um you know it's no guarantee how much longer it will last. Additionally you see some of the stuck cracking in there. This building is moving. We we know >> that that's what you see on the that's what you can see on the crack. >> Yeah. I mean it's settling right >> is the movement. >> Okay. >> The cracks here. Like >> that's just just you just repoint the bricks or or is it or is it >> I think uh underground. So the pipes are underground. When that ground moves those pipes move with it, right? So you don't know when that's going to crack. >> So I just want to be realistic
086about 65y old infrastructure. >> Jacob, you had a question here. >> Yeah, I I was trying to figure out how to phrase it. So I was at the high school and I observed transitions um just like by happen stance. >> Sure. And like there were big lines outside the restaurants, right? Which made me think, oh gosh, that was a big thing that like maybe maybe some more thought should like like or I don't know the historical context, but it made me go, okay, there can be unanticipated consequences of a a project >> and I'm just wondering because I think like Erin referenced, you know, like getting feedback from, you know, folks who are most directly impacted by reference student input. I would just love to know more about like what is the process and at
087what points for student input, for faculty input. Like I remember in these restrooms there was a student who would run naked every day screaming and like that would be a great student to get input from because he could tell us all the ways that like he could >> cause chaos in the in the stalls. So I'm just curious like >> we I just want to know process. Uh we we did we have gathered feedback from students from we've done we have a lot of history with bathrooms at IHS. We have a very long multi-year history and when we did the when we did G&H we we did a lot of outreach to students. We'd be happy to do similar outreach measures for these. We we have gotten some informal car, you know, Carrie's been great
088with getting some informal anecdotal information, but we could do it in a much more uh structural way. Chris, can you share about Oh, Karen, you want to say student >> Yeah. >> input as well as at on November 20th um facilities and finance meeting, we went more in depth and we heard from Carrie that students aren't going into the restrooms. They don't feel comfortable changing. Right. at that meeting. We had several students when it was stated, they were shaking their I'm not going in there. >> So, we've heard from students over the years about it and we see and um I think Harry you had mentioned about >> how many teams that we have and how many students at one point the congestion and so forth like 500 plus and all. So, it's it's time.
089It's definitely time to change. And just like what we did with BJM, um the team recognized the Marvel floors that let's try to see what we can keep from the 1960s and make sure that we don't have to um demolish things like that. And so, um I am in favor of us moving this forward um because this was the additional money we had for 20 years. allocated. >> Yes. >> So, a process to move forward, right? This was an introduction to the full board that's coming from finance facilities. It'll be brought back to the board. I'm assuming at that point in time a little bit more information to give the an official okay. And I think in the in we can ask additional questions uh either through email or to the finance facilities committee to
090get additional information. Uh but since we have a little bit more time before being asked to vote, let's let's take this information in. Go watch the November 20th meeting for so folks get some additional information andor write to Dan andor Carrie and Chris with additional. >> So when do we plan on bringing it back? >> I'm I'll look. >> We have well we have facilities this week. Um but we also have a board meeting next week as well. So we have vetted this through facilities and we have unanimous support through facilities. So I would recommend it goes to the next board meeting >> next week. That'll >> be a week from today. So ask that for folks and hopefully that'll be enough time. Again, we can raise some additional questions again on the 16th as
091well if need be. But that'd be my recommendation for now. >> Yeah, we I mean we also have OACM tomorrow. So if there's some if board members who are attending have questions about it, OACM uh tomorrow and we welcome anyone to OACM. So uh it's tomorrow at 9:00. Sorry. Yeah. So, all right. >> All right. >> I'll if I I could just one or two uh comments on process. Um I won't be around on the 16th. I have prior engagement that evening. Um but with a verbal approval, we could come back with a formal proposal. That is typically how we would present for a vote and approval from the from the board for a specific capital project. And we're happy to do that if >> Yep. And that sounds like a good plan for us.
092And that would get to some of the things Todd asked to be a little bit more specifics in that proposal moving forward. Okay. So, >> sure. >> So, I I just uh you know, I think on the finance and facil facilities finance committee, we're we're I don't want to speak for myself, but I think we're going to push for a capital campaign and spring. And I think this provides this nice little test case. This this is money that was approved in the capital campaign what, five years ago. uh the money was approved. Uh we have Tetrtech always doing building assessments, looking at priorities. We have fiscal advisors telling us where we could get the biggest bang for our buck in terms of state rebates and so on. And then we have needs arise. We have
093people like uh Perry bring specific needs to us. Then we go into OACM. Then we go into the facilities. We get feedback from students. Then we come to the full board as we're doing here today. And then we have you know more questions OM tomorrow. And then, you know, maybe next week or the next meeting, we actually both spend the money. And so, I just want to kind of highlight that because I know we're going to have a discussion in two or three months about people saying that the capital campaign is too big or too small. And I just want to remind everyone that the the the line of credit hopefully will be from my perspective will be approved, but this process will repeat five, six years from now with people who are in these
094chairs for whatever project is at the priority at that time. So I feel thank you asking for a verful confirmation right now if that >> if you're comfortable. >> If not we can we can receive that. I just don't want to proceed without making sure that everybody's comfortable. >> But you wouldn't you wouldn't be available next week. So but the verbal confirmation would be for you to be able to provide a much more detailed proposal for next >> yes >> next Tuesday's meeting for us to vote on. >> Yes. Okay. or are we talking about first meeting in January? >> Um, if you think that this what you've heard tonight uh is amendable, then I could prepare a proposal for your more specific consideration next >> and you're not going to be at OAC. >>
095I'll be at Om. >> I got a bunch of questions and I don't want to waste them here. So that >> so then so then >> but but I support it just want to say >> yeah I appreciate that. Right. So you still have some questions that you want to have answered but it's coming to us from the finance facilities committee which in essence said please bring it to the full board for consideration which means in general or in theory there's support is what I would assume with some specifics and details still to be worked out. >> So unless there's an I'm going to ask the question differently. Unless there's an objection from a board member, let's provide the verbal approval to receive the much more detailed version for next Tuesday and a vote if
096that works for everybody with an understanding that there's still facilities committee to take place and there's 08 tomorrow. >> Yeah. >> Does that work for everybody? >> Fantastic. Thank you all. >> Appreciate it. >> Yes. Yes. Y >> uh that is the last item on our agenda and if less I'm hearing something different the meeting and we'll see you all some of you will see tomorrow policy but thank you all tomorrow facilities on