001Second 2025 meeting to order and we will entertain motions. I move that we enter into executive session for the purpose of discussing the employment history of particular individuals ongoing negotiations possible litigation and superintendent evaluation. Second move by Jill, second by Adam. Discussion, debate, dialogue. Seeing none, all in favor. The motion passes unanimously. We will be back as close to 700 p.m. as possible. executive session and uh if I can find the right agenda, my apologies. Um any modifications to the agenda. Hearing none, we'll proceed with our agenda to item 4.1, public comment period. We have a number of folks who are signed up to speak. Um, a reminder before we begin, uh, each speaker will have three minutes to speak. Um, if you are close to completing your statement, um, we'll try to give as
002much flexibility as possible to let that take place. Uh, the board has scheduled a half hour in each agenda, up to a half hour in each agenda for public comment. Should there be a need to prolong that, the board can do so by majority vote and a motion to make that happen. Um and and a reminder um as I try to say during these times as well uh to be mindful that um we are not uh one able to respond about particular situations, personnel or students. And we ask that anyone who speaks not speak directly to any particular or use the name of any particular individual or students as well. And so my colleague will assist with the names and please give us grace if we if Jill mispronounces. We'll start with Mali Starman. And
003if we could speak into the microphone, it helps people at home who are listening in the audio recording as well. All right. Thank you. Um good evening everyone. Uh I'm Murali Sid Ramen. Uh this is the first time I'm at one of these meetings. Um I'm from a family of teachers. Uh and I myself taught for many years. I taught computer science. uh and the reason I'm here today is because I understand there is a discussion uh concerning artificial intelligence and using them uh potentially to replace teachers. Um so just so you get an idea uh I was introduced to artificial intelligence probably well before many of you were born. So I have followed this forever. All right. Uh so if you have more interest in hearing on this topic, I'm happy to talk about
004it later privately. Uh but here are a few brief comments I have. Um so um yeah you know artificial intelligence one way to look at it it's like a it's a sophisticated automated answering system you know once upon a time you might remember uh when you dial something they would say press one press two and you know and then after that it went to oh tell me what your problem is you can say I accounting or something and then then it got a little more intelligent, you know what I mean? Uh so you can think of artificial intelligence being a really sophisticated thing along these lines. But what happens is uh it's useful somewhat in the absence of a human operator. A lot of places especially after hours they can't staff it. So they put
005one of these answering machines in there and it helps you a certain way. But many of us, you know, end up saying representative after a while because what it has just doesn't get what we want. And this is exactly what's going to happen if you put just artificial intelligence systems to replace teachers in schools. Unlike adults, students once they are frustrated, they are not coming back. All right. Uh the other thing about AI systems is they hallucinate. Have you heard of this thing called hallucination? Uh what it means is it really just lies. Uh so how frequently does it lie? Uh so there is a New York Times article. Uh this is about open AI. It says something like uh there is a new system 03 which helps n about 33% of the time. So
006that one in three responses it might say something that's totally not relevant. Okay. So if you know the topic area you might say oh it's just talking nonsense and you can understand it. If we ask you to design a bathroom and if you if it puts the toilet in the middle of the shower I'll finish in a minute. um you know so so we'll understand that's a problem but if you're a learner you don't know the topic you don't know what you don't know and that's a problem um many of the problems that we had with zoom and remote learning they are going to be there with the AI u so will we replace teachers with AI you know some people might say it's low quality but really cheap so society sometimes tends to go
007that way and we have to be careful there are a lot of people putting a lot of money into this to make this happen. Uh as public, as parents, as students, you have to be watchful. Teachers are there for you and count on them. Don't count on technology. Thank you. Thank you, Julie Gorman. Good evening. Thank you for letting me speak here. Um I am um here tonight to talk about the graduation and the idea that there are two ceremonies. Um I've been a member of the living here in the Ithaca community um four different locations since 1994. Um I'm a graduate of proud graduate of Homer High School and um but here in Ithaca I think the our very unique community that we're all mostly proud of. Um we've gone through a lot of
008things over the past years especially because of COVID and when this notice came out about two different graduation times it broke my heart. Broke my heart. I have twin boys that are seniors. I don't have any other children. This is my only graduation I will ever attend for Ithaca for actually I should say that for my own family. I did attend last year. It was very sad that I attended the end of the first session and one of the boys that I went there to support was pretty upset because a group that he thought was going to be there were not there. So, I have reached out to a couple people within the district, uh, Jen and JVY, and spoke with them, and I got the response about these rain dates and what the facility
009can or can't hold. I think that's asinine because we know Etha has had dramatically larger classes than our 350 that we have in the current 2025 class. Um, I see certain parents a lot because of the sports that my kids are in, but I just ran into a parent this past week that I haven't seen them since Cuga Heights Elementary School. And they're like the most amazing couple and they're they've got a great son. And I look at graduation as a unifying time, an opportunity to see everybody in the school district. I started a petition. I did share that with the board. So, I'm hoping some of you have seen that we up to about 266 signatures. Um, I have had my kids and myself have been canvasing people to ask them, you know, what
010your objective to consolidating or not consolidating. Um, there's a huge objection to the early time because of the heat. Um, some people did not sign the petition because I didn't indicate whether it would be the early one or the late one because frankly, I don't know. I didn't know where to start. Um, but it's pretty clear that the five o'clock time is a better time, not only for students who don't want to be in the heat, but for families that actually work in the middle of the day in the middle of the week. It's ridiculous. You know, I graduated, the whole school was there. We were in an infi inside facility. We did not have to worry about a rain date. Um so again for those of you students that are here maybe you saw
011the petition maybe you didn't um if you agree or disagree you know obviously want to know you know your feedback but we are well past co this is ridiculous we need to be an inclusive school increase our school spirit and get a time that's realistic for all families and all students thank you thank you next up Mary Beth I can't read this last name. It is Incan. Okay. Hello, and thank you for letting me speak. Um, I'm going to read. Um, my name is Mary Beth Incan and I have had two sons, Zachary and Miles Neely, who have gone through the Ithaca City School District. One is a senior who just graduated from RPI. He graduated from Ithaca City School District four years ago during COVID. Karen Arnold did a phenomenal job of making graduation
012even possible for those students. We had three separate graduations at that time. We now are four years out of COVID and still having separate graduations. ICSD is about inclusivity and community and getting everybody together including all. What is inclusive about two separate graduations? The beauty of graduation is appreciating and congratulating everybody you have gone through ICSD from kindergarten to 12th grade. Is about families celebrating their students and the bond students and families have created over the last 12 years. When you have two separate graduations, that's impossible. We are fortunate enough to live in a town with two universities. If this is impossible to have at our beautiful athletic facility, which I find very difficult to believe, why can't we go back to Ithaca College or somewhere else? Please explain this. Secondly, my other major problem
013was the fact that students had to sign up during the school day. I know it was during universal lunch at 11:45. This just boggles my mind. Many students use that time to meet with their teachers. I understand that students are given plenty of time to know what time it is to sign up. However, these are 17 year olds, so that might have made that meeting with the teacher or they might have been five minutes late to sign up. I know my son missed the time to be with his friends. And I emailed Jen Doppler as soon as I found out. It was at 12:31. At that point, she told me it was a first come, first serve basis. A day later I was informed it'll be a lottery. Make up your mind. Are we inclusive
014or are we not inclusive? Are we a lottery or is a first comes serve basis? This is coming from very frustrated parent. Thank you. And I believe in the Ithaca City School District. As you many people know me I am all about community. There's a huge mural on your on this school because of which I wanted it to happen during COVID. And let's get us together. Let's have one graduation for these kids. Thank you, Karen Getson. Hello. My name is Karen Leface. My husband is Andrew Getson. Um I have three children and the older two graduated in 2020 um my children graduated in 2020 and 2022 and I also have a son who is a junior at the high school and I am here well first of all I want to thank you for the
015opportunity to speak. Um I am here on behalf of the Ithaca boys varsity lacrosse team. Um maybe some of you have heard about this but we wanted to make the board aware that due to an administrative gap this season the team was required to forfeit three games. Um so from winning 12 games they were switched to winning nine games which is not the main reason that most of us are concerned but clearly this is upsetting and concerning for the boys and for the parents because it does have some consequences for their season. Um but we are also concerned about the deeper implications that this is kind of shining a spotlight on um and compliance and maybe some other issues that we've been concerned about with the athletics um at Ithaca City School District. Um the
016parents have a meeting tomorrow at 6 PM at the welcome center um with some administrators and we would appreciate the presence of Dr. Brown and any board members who would like to come to that meeting. Um, and I also want to let you know that we plan to return after we've had that meeting and have had some time to learn some more about what's happening. Um, we'll be hoping to come back at another board uh, meeting to talk about it a little bit more in the future. Thank you. Thank you. MB. No, that's You already spoke, Mary Beth. Did you write sign in twice? Okay. Okay. We we'd love to hear you again. But uh Kelly Cartoni Cartini Cartini this if you don't print this is what happens to your name. It's my problem. I
017can use my phone. So I'm all right with it. I'm Kelly Portmill and I actually have had two children already graduate from Ithaca High School. one in 2021 and one in 2023. Um, I myself, my former classmate up there in the corner, I graduated from this high school in 1993. Um, I know I look so young. Um, I have to tell you, it's it's disheartening to hear that um, we still are doing graduation separate. I remember my graduation. It was in Barton Hall. We didn't use Ithaca College then. We had it in Barton Hall. I graduated with all my peers and it was a very big deal. Um I was sad when my son in COVID obviously could not graduate with all his peers. It was difficult. And two years later when they still didn't
018change it back, my other son had to do the exact same thing. And my children, which many of some of you know, they play many sports and they were always involved in many different activities and knew all different groups of friends. I think my son Zach literally has like 10 different groups of friends. And unfortunately in that scenario, he didn't get to graduate with all of those people. And that's really sad. I have a daughter who is going to be a ninth grader. And hearing this, I am greatly concerned that if we don't figure this out, I don't want four years from now for my daughter to still not graduate with all of her peers. It doesn't make sense in Ithaca City School Districts. We are all about equality. We are all about inclusivity. We
019can't claim those things and then have a graduation to somebody at 2:30 in the afternoon and one at 5. I can tell you why it's popular for five. I have staff members at three hotels in this market and both times my kids graduated, other kids were graduating with them and they had to take off time from work and didn't have that time to take. We are not making that equitable and we're not making that inclusive for people who are working families. We just aren't. And so I implore you to really think about this and take the time to change this. We should not continue to do this. It was something that worked in 2021. I'm appreciative of Karen Arnold. She did make that possible for those students, but it's not something we should still do
020and I really appreciate you all taking a look at that. Thank you. Thank you. Uh let's see. Next up, Sam Holmes. Um, hello. Uh, my name is Sam Holmes. Um, and I'm a senior here at Etha High School. Um, I'm here today to speak on the inherent unfairness of holding two two graduation ceremonies. On paper, having two identical ceremonies promotes a free will choice around the personal timing of one's graduation, while also having the amount of students walking across the stage. However, within just 10 minutes of these signups opening, these two identical ceremonies have become a 5M group of everyone in the 2M group of everyone else who didn't get a spot. One of my best friends, Miles Neilie, whose mom, Mary Beth, spoke previously, hi, Mary Beth, was one of the unlucky students that
021was preoccupied during the 10-minute mad dash to sign up for the later graduation slot. Miles and I have grown up together as best friends. From masked co bike rides to our hockey senior night, Miles has always been by my side. Yet, at this turning point in our lives, a moment that signals the ending of our innocent childhood and the daunting beginning of the next chapter of our lives, I'm now faced with a saddening realization that he will not be there. And likewise, I will not be there for him. Every counterargument to the single graduation proposal that I have heard stems from logistical concerns. I urge you not to think of this graduation purely in numbers, amount of chairs, and a list of names. Rather, I beg, sorry, rather I beg you to see that this
022gradu graduation represents us, the entire 2025 senior class, moving on from the halls we have walked for the last four years, the teachers and aids that have tirelessly supported us throughout our journey, and most importantly, each other. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Last up for this evening, Patty Sipman. Hi, my name is Patty Sib. I am u a teacher aid at Fox Creek Elementary. I mostly work with special needs kids. I am also the president of the education support professionals union uh for the Ithaca City School District that represents teacher aids and teacher assistance and I'm here just to be present while you take a vote on our contract and um I'm not going to go into the details but uh our negotiations were quite protracted and um I just want to say
023uh thank you for your service. I'm very mindful that you are not compensated for this and I'm not naive enough to expect to agree with Dr. Brown or the board 100% of the time. Um, but I do thank you for your service and I respect your time and that's it. Thank you very much. Thank you. Uh, I want to thank everybody who came to speak. this would bring us to board responses. Um, and before we begin, I feel compelled to say that there are times in which folks come to have a conversation with us in which we humbly ask for just a a moment of grace and that we will most likely respond in much more detail at the following meeting when we're able to canvas, gather information, not misspeak, not overpromise, not underpromise. I
024hope those things make sense. Um but with that being said, let's see if there are any uh board responses to the comments that we heard this evening. Uh I'd be happy to jump in first. Um, thank you all for coming and um and sharing your perspectives. And um I want to say to Julie and Mary Beth and Karen [Music] and everyone else who came to um to speak about the graduations that I'm speaking as one single board member here. I'm with a with a a eight a group of eight and so I am only one person but I can say that I was like totally floored when I found out that there were two graduations. My kids are still in elementary school. Um so I I didn't know about it right away, but I I
025it just makes absolutely no sense to me either. Um, I also know that uh I'm not nor is the board uh the ones that get that are making these decisions. And so I have been really eager to connect with the people at IHS who are in charge of making the decisions to better understand why why we're still doing this. Um so I I thank you for coming. I um I was the um the uh petition was shared with me uh through a a senior about a week ago and so really appreciated seeing that and I'm glad that that folks are speaking up because honestly when I heard about it I hadn't really heard all that much from the community about it. So, it's, you know, I I'm glad to hear it and I hope that
026we can um either find out that there's some really, really, really good reason why it's happening that we may not know about or um or that there might be able to be work done um for free for future graduations so that um so that everyone can be together again. Um and I want to say specifically to Sam um where's Sam? Where Sam go? Hi Sam. Um, you talking about Miles just like literally sent shivers down my spine and thinking about a I'm just very glad that you have such a wonderful friend and also that when my son graduates, I'm going to be totally heartbroken if he has a really good friend like that that he's not able to graduate with because I know that it's it's a really special moment to be able to uh
027to enjoy and honor with all of your friends. Um the the young woman who the senior who sent me the petition last week said that she uh jumped on at um during lunchtime to try to also get into the um to the later one and was only able to even just 6 minutes after um after it opened up only was able to get uh into the earlier graduation. So I know that not only was it during the school day but was also practically impossible. It makes me think a little bit about how people have to tried to get um Taylor Swift tickets and just kept pushing the button and that feels incredibly stressful and a huge letd down and I can imagine everybody went back to class the rest of the afternoon feeling distracted and
028bummed out. Um so anyway, just my single opinion, but I really appreciate you all coming um and sharing your perspectives. Um I uh Karen, I'm very sorry to hear about um the frustrations about what's been happening uh what happened with the lacrosse team. I've been on those emails and I'm excited to see that um that you will be joined by the um the athletics director and others tomorrow and hope that you guys can have a really productive conversation. Um I am coaching my daughter's softball team tomorrow so cannot come but otherwise uh would definitely be there. Um, and I think that's about it. Thank you everybody for coming. Additional board responses. Uh, thank you for everyone who came to speak. Um, it's always great to hear from our students as well. uh especially uh especially
029when we're talking about long-term uh important relationships. So, I greatly appreciate your willingness to to to share that. Um we'll do some additional research about graduation. Uh having been on the board for uh I'm embarrassed to say almost as long as some of the young people in the room may be alive. I think this is my 16th year. Um, I have been on the board when we held graduation at Cornell and people uh did not enjoy that at times or we heard complaints. I've been on the board when we had ETHA college in the A&E Center and people not everyone uh like that and I know this is vastly different um but I am trying to indicate that we've had some difficulty in trying to find something that appeases and or supports um everyone at
030all points in time. And so I'm looking forward to learning more about um our dual graduation and hopefully we will be able to present something or speak a little bit more um directly about how we got to where we're at. U not just to the parents and caregivers and supporters who are here uh but for me humbly and respectfully and no disrespect to the folks who are here but to our students and speak directly to um their ability and their experiences to to join one another as well. um uh like my colleague also difficult to hear about some of the things that are taking place uh or the way what's the emails we've been receiving about um lacrosse. Uh we've had some conversations uh had not have not had enough time as a board. Um,
031also recognize that there's been some significant administrative reductions over the past year, 20% um, with budgets and that uh, we'll be taking a look at what does that mean across the board and do not anticipate that we be here uh, again moving forward um, as folks exercise their democratic process and go out to vote next week. Uh, but thank you for sharing. And then just in terms of process, I do feel like I will say this publicly. Um, I would recommend to my board colleagues to not attend tomorrow. Um, to keep the process and the protocol moving forward. There will absolutely be a time or let me rephrase it. I hope there is not a time for board involvement, but there may be a time for board involvement, but we'll continue to be aware of
032what's taking place and I can follow up or folks can make individual phone calls or um, I'm happy to do so as well. And other board members can obviously make their own uh, choices in that regard. But, uh, good to know that folks are meeting tomorrow and looking forward to the to the update there. And then there was one other thing. Um, AI, I'll speak to that briefly. Um, uh, as an educator, I say this repeatedly, I feel bad saying it over and over again. As someone whose job is dependent upon teaching future teachers, I teach at Ithaca College's Department of Education in the pres-ervice teaching program. Under no circumstance uh is this board considering replacing any teacher with artificial intelligence. Uh that is not the board we are. It's not the district we are.
033It's not the community I want to be in. And I have grave concerns about artificial intelligence for a number of reasons. Uh but that's not where we're headed. And uh we may hear more about that soon, but that's that's that's not where we're headed. Um, and then not necessarily in that realm, but connected, I'll use part of my time to to announce to the community that tomorrow evening at 6:30 p.m. In this room right here, uh the district will be hosting, it's almost funny to say, a screening of the film screen aers, uh that will be talking about the use of technology, uh and dare I say the possible pitfalls and downfalls of technology both inside and outside of the classroom. This is an anticipation of a ba a bellto bell ban by Governor Hawkel
034that will be instituted um come September or that is the uh request not I say the request the requirement of school districts to have a policy in place by September dare I say late August and so we'll be continuing on with that conversation so I invite the community to come join us for the screening and the panel that will take place afterwards I think that's all on my notes for now. Any other Yeah, I I I had a question about the graduation. I'm sure the people in the audience are curious. I'm curious for my own education is like I if there was an opportunity to potentially change it, what would be the drop dead date to make that decision? Because I'm sure there's a lot of logistics that go into it. Um I I'm personally
035interested in seeing it be consolidated into one. Um, you know, I so I I'm I'm all for supporting that in any way that I can and I'm just kind of curious of like what are next steps or do we even know that right now and timeline and things like that in order to if if it could be changed. I don't know if it can, but I'm just curious. I think that's the conversation we asked Dr. Brown and team to bring to us at the May 27th meeting to have those some of those answers to those questions and give us a little bit more background and context about how we got to where we're at. Does that does that work, Dr. Brown? Does that work? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Yeah. And we'll could even put it
036as an agenda item if that's the will of the board as well. So it won't be just right. We we'll add it as an agenda item if that works for folks. Thank you. Does that work Dr. Grant Weiss? It does. Any other comments? Again, thanks folks for coming out to speak. Uh that brings us to our next agenda item which is uh student reps. All right. Um, so next week, uh, LACS will embark on our annual trips week. Um, students will be going across the country and across New York. Um, so this whole week encourages learning and exploration outside the classroom. It's an integral part of the ACS curriculum. We're all looking forward to it. Um, some trips will be headed to Asheville, North Carolina. Um, Puerto Rico, the Aquaazi Freedom School in New York
037City, among other places. Um, and presentations on those trips will be forthcoming uh around Steuart Park Day, which I believe is set for June 16th. Um, the board reps have begun at LACS. Uh last Wednesday the ACS student body heard speeches from four the four candidates including Emily um running to become our board reps for the next year. All these speeches shared, you know, wonderful messages around optimism and hope regarding our next principal and just unity overall. So it's great to see that. Um I know that Stella and I both graduating seniors uh really look forward to that outcome. Um, and then finally for me, uh, graduation and promotion. Um, so as as we head into these final weeks of the school year, we begin to approach some exciting dates. 8th grade promotion has been
038set for Tuesday, uh, June 24th at 6:00 p.m. with a showcase of eighth grade projects running from 5 to 6. Um, and then of course the official ceremony beginning at 6:00 at the ACS Amphitheater. Um, if you all can make it, I highly encourage it. Um, these students work put a lot of work into their projects and they're very proud of what they do. I know when I promoted, um, people built guitars and computers and it was a fascinating thing to see. Um, on that note, high school graduation has been set for Wednesday, June 25th at 700 p.m. also at the LACS Amphitheater. Um, like the eighth grade promotion, the official ceremony will take out of course will take outside at the amphitheater. Um and seniors will also show off their senior projects. Um on
039that note, seniors have also begun to plan their senior meetings. Uh these meetings serve as a time for seniors to reflect on their high school experience with some staff, family, and lowerassmen and serve as a great way to close out their high school career. All right, thanks. It's crowded today. Um, so on Friday, the the biggest news of the past few months at LACS, um, a possibly intimidatingly large group of stakeholders in our school met on a hiring committee, uh, for our new principal. We interviewed several candidates starting at 8:45 a.m. and going to 3:30ish, so it was quite long. Um, and it was amazing to be a part of that group. and coming away from it, I'm feeling really excited. Um, we were told that we're likely to hear the results of that in
040the next two weeks or so. So, full of optimism and hope. Um, we had another successful science pebbat day on Friday. Uh, something like 11 people presented and passed. Um, for those who don't know, we use PEABATs, performance-based assessment tasks, instead of regents to assess students proficiency in four subject areas, English, social studies, science, and math. All four happen in students, junior or senior year. The science PET has students choose an experiment to carry out, then write a scientific paper on their findings. Once that's complete, each student presents to a group of raiders and answers questions. Uh, since I was on the interview committee on Friday and missed it, I presented today during 8th period and I'm going to brag really quickly and announce that I passed with outstanding on my rubric. Thank you. Um,
041it was so much fun and as a as a primarily ELA social studies focused kind of person, um, I'll say that it was really the only time in my life that I felt like a scientist. Um, so as much as I might complain about pebbats, I really am grateful for the opportunity to go indepth experientially into the scientific process. Uh, and I'll finish off by saying u tomorrow's the last day of shadows. So those are like fifth graders who will come and go through the day with a middle schooler and see if they would like to come to our school next year. Um, and there has been at least one lottery poll for next year's sixth graders so far. Path sounds so fun. Our brains have been fried because of AP exams this week. Um,
042but junior prom was last Friday at celebrations and the senior prom date just got announced um for June 7th and we're starting to hear some talk about how the new cell phone ban is going to affect IHS and implemented here. Um, and so we've been hearing a lot of our peers start to, you know, have conversations and they have a lot of questions as well. So, we're hoping to hear more talk about it in the coming months and also transparency around the policies. Um, so it's like a smoother transition for everyone. And we are also starting new student replections in the coming weeks and we're hoping to introduce newly elected students um before this this school year ends. And we're also curious about the district commenation ceremony and why it doesn't happen anymore because so
043many people around me are doing epic things and they deserve to be recognized. So next Monday, our AP Physics 1 and AP Physics C students will head to Darian Lake for their end of the year field trip as a way to celebrate all the hard work they put into this past year. Also, our senior trip is happening next Tuesday and we will be traveling to the Pocono Valley Resort for the whole day. Also, a quick sports update. We've recently had a bunch of senior nights for sports uh lacrosse, tennis, flag football, and track. These are our updates. Great. Thank you, student reps. Uh board responses. Uh just real quick for me, thank you from for all of your report outs. Really appreciate it. Um Emily, I just want to say I'd like love hearing you
044talk about the pebbats um and your experience with the science one. That's very very cool. Um they must be really inspiring and exciting projects and speaks a lot to um that kind of uh that kind of evaluation of um of your learning. So appreciate you sharing that. Uh the district com uh commendation ceremony. I guess I would I would like to hear the answer also to that question. So just wanted to see if maybe Dr. Brown you could speak to that in your comments today or if somebody I unless somebody else on the board has answers to that. Wait to your you want to answer it now? I can answer now. Look at that. Um um it is a board of education accommodation summer and in the past it is something that has been done
045at the direction of the initiation of the board and in the past we have had administrative support d allocated. It takes many many hours to put that ceremony together through the budget process last year that administrative support no longer exists. So, if this is something that we want to reallocate the support for, um, we should have that conversation. But it again, it was never a superintendent accommodation mission. It was a board of education accommodation ceremony, which my team and I, we helped facilitate the work for. And I look at Miss Tracy Arm up there who's doing the work of three administrative assistants this year as we cut to who were in that central office. Um, I'm not looking at her now because I would be challenged to go to her and say, "I need that
046extra 10 hours a week, four times a year to do that because I don't know where she would find it." So, that probably not the answer you wanted to hear, but that is the answer to very honest. Thank you. Additional responses from board members. Uh, I guess what I'll say just in response to what Dr. Brown just shared uh similar to the conversation about graduation uh that's probably time for the board to have a conversation about the accommodation ceremonies. Uh four obviously um got to be uh a lot even though uh as Claire has said there are people doing amazing things and need to be recognized in various ways. Um and with that being said um there probably is a heavy medium that we can find. Uh but let's gather some more information and some
047more research and come back to that. We've been asked that by a couple of folks as well and so some additional conversation out to the community would probably be helpful about that as well. So more to follow I guess I guess what I'll I'll say at this point in time. Uh to our student reps, this is a fun time of the school year. So uh just sending you strength, support, joy as you proceed through this uh you know this this last couple weeks of the school year. So, uh, try to find ways to enjoy it. I know I'm going to be hunker down grading a couple hundred final exams over the next couple days, so I'm definitely going to be joyful. So, we'll go from there. All right. If that is it, we'll continue on
048with our agenda. That brings us to the consent agenda, and we will entertain motions. Uh, I move to approve the consent agenda items listed in consent agenda. Personnel report, students, and minutes of previous meetings is presented. Moved by Adam, second by Jill. Uh questions, conversation, discussion. If it is a friendly amendment with the approval of the board, I would like to postpone our vote on the minutes of our last meeting. If that could be removed from the consent agenda, I don't know if anyone has any objections. hearing none. So if that's okay, then we'd be voting on the consent agenda minus the minutes from our last meeting. Any other discussion or debate? Uh all in favor? That is everyone that's here. Thank you all very much. Appreciate it. Uh Dr. Brown, thank you for the
049opportunity, professor. And I must say you uh you so eloquently spoke to a couple of the items I had on my list, but I'll add a little bit more if that's all right. Please. Um and first u this morning in the PTA council meeting, I was asked about information around the budget. Um when will the budget vote take place? How can folks find information? I'll remind folks you can go to our website. There's information there. We're going to be sending out information in our newsletters. We're going to be pushing information out via email and some texts are going to go out next week. And I will alert folks to their mailboxes where they will see the budget mailer. We reminded folks that every community, every household in our community receives, I don't know why I'm
050holding that, a budget mailer that has a lot of information in it. And folks today had forgotten that that comes out annually. And let me remind folks also, it's printed in black and white for the folks who remember why. But anyway, we printed in black and white and you'll receive a budget mail with information about candidates and all other information. Check it out. Two other items really quick. artificial intelligence. Uh, a shout out to Katherine. I thought she was here. Jacob, that's my my guy here. Patty, as I'm looking around at these humans who've spent literally hundreds of hours this past year in conversations with me and the team around how do we invest in and support the experience for humans in our schools and primarily for adults in our schools. And uh a few
051weeks ago there was a maybe a 4-minute conversation about how would nonhumans be entered into our school in some hypothetical future. And it's been fascinating how much conversation that has generated. And let me be clear as you said earlier um eloquently and I will say now as the speaker here said he came from a family of educators and was a teacher too. I'm a teacher and from a family of educators. I we have no plan to replace humans with a piece of technology. one that technology doesn't exist and I'm also a person who writes policy and I'm I tend not to write policy based on hypotheticals that don't exist and at this time I'm not prepared to or have the expertise to write a policy that would address something that I could not define other
052than an acronym. So when we understand what artificial intelligence is or what it could do or what it would look like in a school maybe then we have a conversation from my perspective about its place in our schools or not and that's it. So, anyone who's thinking that we're wishing to or thinking about uh replacing humans and teachers with technology, I would ask you or invite you to pay attention to the hundreds of hours of teacher negotiations or to talk to Patty and folks who've been sitting in conversations engaging in dialogues and often how we don't agree, but we're engaging in dialogues in a face-to-face human way. Um, and please not get distracted by a five-minute conversation about artificial intelligence. And you know, when I came here in 2010, I thought I was leaving conversations
053about graduation ceremonies. And so for the folks who've been in large school districts, we heard a lot of complaints this time of year around graduation, frankly, because we would start at 8:00 a.m. and we would go all night. When you have multiple high schools, you have to stagger the graduation. So I would sit there in a robe at John Paul Jones Arena. Everybody know where that is. It's home of the national champions UBA. where we would sit in John Paul Jones Arena because it was the only place large enough to house a graduation ceremony with 300 graduates and we would be there all day and people complained all day. I don't like this time. I don't like that time. So when I came here when we had one that first year I like we got
054one graduate. Nobody's going to complain. And then we found ourselves in Barton Hall and it was 120 degrees in there and I had that robe on and the complaints we received for those first two years I was in this job around why in the world and I was hearing words like I hate to even say this my mom would not be asinine or don't make sense and at the time I had to remind folks um the people who were making this decision and it was a decision you may not agree with were humans and they were balancing all the logistics and all of the challenges is associated with making a decision they know everybody wasn't going to be happy about. However, because on those committees at the time and even now they were children and
055they were committed adults, they were making a decision that they know everybody was going to be happy about and they didn't want to hear us call them uh words. So I remind folks today like uh even when we went to Itha College and I heard all the complaints there, not enough parking, too long, it's at night. Uh Karen Arnold was mentioned today and I know the struggles she went through to make decisions during co when people told us not to have graduation ceremonies to do two and I know Jason Trumbull as he was begged to keep two when we could have went back to Ithaca College and he said oh we'll keep two and how people were happy about it and then we got a couple of place. I just if like with the academic
056calendar if there is a perfect solution to graduations please share with me because I haven't found one in 25 years of doing this at an administrative level and I want to engage in a conversation about how to make this better but please as I remind folks all the time we're talking about humans and more importantly a committee of humans that includes children as a community member let's not use words like asinine or it doesn't make sense because it makes sense to somebody it just may you may just may not agree with the perspective or the decision but let's just be mindful of language because it's important Thank you, Dr. Brown. Uh, school district business. Um, folks may see our agenda this evening and recognize that we have um a single discussion item. uh that is
057by design in some regards and by that I mean having spent months together uh for hours on end committee meetings uh special voting meetings, budget meetings. Uh we have been doing a large amount of work uh to get ourselves ready for the uh budget and schoolboard election that's taking place uh next Tuesday. Um and so this conversation has also been one that's been discussed um a couple of times at multiple times in the facilities committee at least one time at the board meeting and uh folks in the community may hear us use an acronym of OACM uh which is uh owners construction uh architects and management right did I do the acronym wrong it I probably did um so these conversations have been continuing Um but as the district considers the possibility of a capital
058project to go out in December uh to address some of the long-standing issues that we know are taking place and coming our way. Um one of the conversations is around Ithaca High School and Buon Middle School heating and cooling. And so we want to sort of continue this conversation andor come on down Chris. You're the next contestant. Um I watched that this morning. Don't ask me why. So, uh, we want to see if we can continue this conversation and or see if the board can come to a general agreement. No resolution, no vote is needed, but can we at least be a begin to push in a direction that we would feel comfortable with um, as decisions need to be made in uh, some sort of a of a fashion. So, I don't know the
059best way to proceed. Chris, um, you weren't at our last meeting, but you've been on all the other meetings and been the most informed what's taking place. I don't know if board members have questions. I don't know if board members want Chris to review some of the information. Um, Chris, I don't know if you had a a plan of what to begin with or uh Dr. Trip uh trying to figure out what's the best way to proceed. I do. Let's hear it. Thank you for having me again this evening to continue this conversation about heating and cooling at Ithaca High School and Boon Middle School. There is a presentation. There are two slides. Um I am seeking direction from the board about what your priorities are. Hopefully this data will help guide a discussion um
060to give me some feedback. Why am I asking for this? There are two reasons. One is so that we can provide direction to contractors who are currently doing work in Ithaca High School and being patient. Um the second reason is to help us all in planning the next capital project referendum. So with that, I'd like to share more numbers. Okay, a lot of these numbers we've seen already. I'd like to present some information from a different viewpoint hopefully to help garner some direction with regard to what is the priority of the board. As you remember, we're considering how to heat and cool Ithaca High School and Boon Middle School. We have looked at various ways to do that with various sizes, various capacities of essentially of air conditioning. And we've looked at two different systems,
061a traditional system and a an alternative system. What this chart represents, talk you through it. Um, I have two that are nearly identical and I'll talk you through the differences between the two and then um open it up for discussion. That said, please ask me questions as I'm sure you will um if you have questions as we go through. This chart represents the different options that we've considered in rank from lowest first cost to highest first cost. So if we look at that bold column that's right in the middle there that has some salmon colored highlighting that is the order of these options. If there are any questions about what the options are can certainly explain them. Hopefully with the abbreviations um and the previous discussions folks know what those mean. One sees that if
062you order these solutions in rank order of first cost, we could also call this construction cost. Just by ordering it that way, we see that the least expensive options provide cooling and heating to Ithaca High School and not to Boon Middle School. That would follow because they tend to be smaller systems. You're doing less cooling. you're only doing one building's worth of and naturally at the bottom of the chart um are the options that include a system that contemplates cooling at Boon Middle School as well. The highlighted cells are the values within each of those two clumps that are the lowest value. So, lowest first cost in salmon, the lowest 30-year life cycle cost for each of those two clumps uh in blue, and the lowest carbon dioxide emissions over the life cycle. Those represent
063first cost, long-term cost, and environmental impact. And so those are the three values that I'm asking for direction on which shall we prioritize as a way of making this decision. There is another version I'm happy to flip back and forth between these two that orders from lowest cost to highest cost based on life cycle costing. with the very same cells highlighted. I offer these two graphs as a different way of thinking about this decision. I'll point out also magnitude. We see that the change and we've talked about this in previous meetings. is not highlighted here but um the change in life cycle cost as a as a magnitude of change is much less than the first cost of the systems especially when you're comparing similars sized items. Um so as we talked previously that that
064is likely not the primary reason to make this decision. Um but again I entertain questions now if you'd like uh or observations about this with the um with the hope of um getting some direction about what how you'd like to move forward. Can we go back to the first slide? Uh board members questions, comments. I have a a new question from last time based on uh my news junkiness. Washington Post this week just listed a a study about cities and sinkage and um substance rates. And I just wonder if we know anything about how ground source heat pump technology might affect potential sinking of cities much like you know other issues. Do you know anything yet? This system is proposed as what we call an openloop system. So it essentially would be sucking the water
065out of the aquifer that we know to be about 150 ft down from test borings um at the science center which has been using this kind of system for decades as well as a pilot program over near Aldi in the DMV zone. There would be a similar number of extraction wells that's sucking the water out of this aquifer. We exchange the temperature inside the building and then we put that water right back into the aquifer. So there should be no net change in the amount of water in the aquifer. Okay, that's perfect. Exactly what I was hoping. The um the cost for this is I understand that there's the first cost and then there's the life cycle cost. When we're putting this into the capital improvement project, which number are we using to represent the
066cost? The first cost. What's that? The first cost. First cost only. So the maximum cost if we're going to cool both schools um is we're asking for the community as part of this capital improvement project to include $6.2 million That's correct, Max. Additional questions, board members, or comments? I mean, my comment is, I guess, that I'd like to use Lake Source cooling um and ground source heat pump and, you know, have the least CO2 impact possible. It's just my one one one person's opinion. When we looked at an earlier iteration of the data, it seemed like it was a more favorable payback for ground source heating and cooling than it appears to be on this. Um, did I misunderstand something? Because what I had hoped is that there would be something closer to a payback
067over the 30 years using so did we. Okay. This way of showing the data does not compare directly the alternatives like we had previously shown the data. I'm trying a different uh organization of the information um to see if this helps the group uh with any clarity around what your priorities are. Well, to that point, is there any way to quantify and maybe this is not a financial conversation, but to quantify the CO2 life cycle, right? I mean just by basic math there seems to be some substantial increases right close to three or 400% increase. Generally the cooling tower options use around two and a half times the energy and emit emit about two and a half times the carbon dioxide as the the ground source heat pump options on average. So having watched multiple
068facility committees our last conversation here I'm also with Jill the numbers are looking a little different than the last time I saw them but you're asking sort of about priorities and I don't know that it's an eitheror question about which priority it is. Um I do know if I'm not mistaken that the sustainability advocates came to the last facilities meeting. they have asked to come to the May 27th meeting to speak with us as well. Um, at some point in time, one school board member believes that one of the primary concerns has to be the environmental impact that our heating and our cooling is having. And so I understand that there may be an increase in the 30-year lifespan. And I don't say this to be dismissive in any way, shape, or form, but a
069million-doll change over a 30-year lifespan does not worry me as much as a significant increase to the carbon footprint that is there. or I think that there may be other ways to quantify financially savings that may not be captured here because we're actually doing something that's better for the the environment, for the world. Um, and so I know we're going to be asked to be thinking much more about the decisions we make and the sustainability of them. And so I think I agree sort of what what Adam was saying that I'm more inclined to find that medium between cost and in and our carbon footprint and I see a path there. But again, as one board member, I'm I'm much more inclined to go down that path to explore much more efficient systems to heat
070and cool our buildings. I had one I had one more question. Sorry. with with the first cost. Is that um is that taking into account um the rebate that we get, you know, by virtue of this being a capital improvement project? Just because when people are looking at the numbers, let's just say at home, and we're looking at $4.3 million because when we do capital improvement projects, we uh half, you know, half the cost is sort of more than half the cost, I forgot the percent, 58% or something like that comes back um by virtue of it being capital improvements. So, so is it actually in our real dollars when we're thinking about it and we see 4.3 million and it's really something more like two two million real dollars that we're actually going to
071have to spend or does that count? Yes, that's fair. These are just first costs and yes, you would be reimbursed by the state of New York at your aid ratio for a building. Okay. uh for building aid. Any additional grant possibilities for NAERTA has incentive programs for which these the ground sourc would uh be eligible? And are those included in these calculations, Chris, or not? Yes, I believe they are. I could verify that. Okay. Um but I believe we made an estimate of that based on tonnage. Thanks for asking about that. about NAERTA. I was going to ask if it was FEMA grants or which grants this is part of um but for our community I know that Chris had introduced this as part of the capital um project that or maybe um Sean did
072that we will vote on later on this year. This is just one aspect. I just want people to be reminded there are several other improvements that we had listed that we will discuss over time. And before we go to vote, so I wanted to ask so this the environmental impact of the um ground sauce and lake sauce cooland our climate active climate action justice group if I have the second letter correct in our high school group they would be impressed with the numbers of that and um we we have to work on the chart because I'm used to the other chart so much that I'm trying to connect the numbers with that. I was trying to pull the other chart up too. And I know I saw it. This is just like with the high
073school graduation. You can't always please everyone, right? So, I'll give you tell you a secret. The last slide in this presentation is the old chart. Okay. All right. So, and then it'll be in four dots, correct? Yes. Okay. You're Yeah. So, I'm I'm just going to go back to first principles just to be 100% sure I'm reading this right. Uh the last four columns on the right hand side, lower is better. All of them. I just want to be sure I'm interpreting it. Yes. Right. So, lower is okay. I just want to make sure I'm reading. So, lower is better. Uh so you asked us to prioritize um you know I I think from an economic perspective if if one is liquidity constrained or credit constrained you do what you need to do to get
074to the next paycheck or to put food on the table next week or people do what they need to do to get by. Um but if you have access to liquidity then often times you can make better decisions for the long run. And so from that perspective, we are fortunate that we have access to credit. We've got a formal mechanism to to borrow money at competitive rates and we manage the cost of that borrowing at 7%. So to me, it it seems like we're in the very fortunate position unlike a lot of families right now that we we can do what's good to do in the long run uh and not make a short-term costly decision out of necessity. So to me, if I'm again, if I'm understanding correctly, first cost is not important to
075me at all. Uh I'm interested in the long-term cost and uh I'm also interested in environmental impact. So um you know, it seems of the of the bottom four options. Uh and I'm only looking at the bottom four options because I just don't think we can say to our our our hearts working staff, our teachers, and our students that they should be working in a building with that air conditioning. So looking at the la the last four rows and really discounting the first cost consideration not again to be clear not because I'm not worried about saving money but I'm worried about saving money over the long run because we have financing. I guess I come down to Adam if I understand Adam's comment right I come down in full agreement with Adam that uh the
076third line up from the bottom looks awfully attractive. One more. Okay, one more thing. Just you weren't here at the last meeting. That's not to bring attention to that. Just um you mentioned it like four times. But yes, where were you? Um so, but I but I think I the way it was presented last time, it looked like when we were going to be choosing options as a board, it looked like if we wanted to choose an option with a cooling tower somehow, like that was in the first tier plan that we can choose. But if we wanted to go up to lakes source cooling or something like that, that was coming in at the second tier plan. There were three, for those who know or don't know, there were three different options that we
077were presented with for capital improvement projects and we're going to choose between or among them. Um, so I guess my question would just be that, you know, if it's if it's the will of the board based on conversations to go with a particular iteration, there's no reason why that can't be in the first tier, right? We don't have to we don't have to spend up in other ways to make it to the second tier and like clear some hurdles so that we can use the more environmentally friendly option. That's what it looks like. I thought it and the person who was here just wasn't sure about the answers. Now that's entirely the board's decision. Thoughts, reactions, recommendations? I I personally support heat pumps um source I um yeah I I think to your point Sean
078you know if it's an extra million dollars over the course 30 years you extrapolate it out it's nominal um and I think the benefits environmentally um to me it's a no-brainer I think it creates a lot of like other good opportunities um just in terms of cost savings over the long run so I I'm I'm definitely in support of it I think Chris correct me if I'm wrong there's still some steps that need to happen before we can even vote on it like there needs to be drilling done to kind of just validate that um the aquifer is directly below uh and that we can do it in this this location, right? Yeah, we would recommend some exploration. Yeah. To be able to refine numbers and gain some uh just knowledge that you know where
079the aquifer is exactly on the site. So, so there's there's a couple steps that need to happen before we can even make final decision. And I would recommend authorizing um you know you guys to move forward with those exploration and find out yeah I guess like quantify everything and make sure it's even go from there. And I just have one more comment because I we're we're saying it's a difference of a million, but when I look at this and just for anyone looking at this, you know, okay, change at first cost, but we're saying as a board that there's no way we're not going to make sure Boon Middle School gets cooling. So really the change is even less because the option is either first cost 4.3 million or first cost 4.8 million. So it's
080really just half a million, right? Because there there's no there's no world in which we would not look to upgrade the cooling system at Boon. So it's really just a very nominal difference even since we're not considering not updating Boon, right? Well, he did. I think he didn't know. And No, no, no. I'm not saying him, but I'm saying us as a board when we look at this and we're saying, "Oh, it's a million dollars." I think it's I think it's really far less than that. It's It's 0.5. It's half a mill. It's It's $500,000 difference. That's it. Because we're doing two schools. More what I was taking a look at to see if we were going to go sort of full brown source as opposed to a a dual method, right? what does that
081sort of look like? But but Erin, that's that's a great point. And I think the the part that I'm also thinking about is something that my this is my father speaking to me as a 30-year 38-year machinist. Um that we're already doing part of this project, which offsets some of the costs of finishing it the other way. Right? So it's not like we're doing two separate projects, if I understood correctly, that some of this project is already going to be underway if we go down this path. And so we it would be economically feasible and wise to also do bulletin at the same time. Right. Right. To do one and then do the other does not seem is not in best financial sense. Well, and maybe I'm wrong about that. No, that's that's an important
082point is the fact as well as the fact that the boy the boilers at both schools are aging out and we will end up replacing them either with forethought or in an emergency situation. Um, right. And so I I just like I publicly want folks to know like we don't take these decisions lightly. Like yes, this is green and we want everything to be the lowest carbon footprint possible, but we're also being fiscally responsible. Like we know the strain that our tax like we know this and so we're trying to spend the dollars in the most effective efficient way possible while also doing right by the environment. And to me, this is really beautiful. Sean, I I wasn't sure if you were talking about having like one system like tying boy in the high school
083into one system, which is one thing that we talked about, but I think Chris to your what you said in previous meetings is that um you guys need to investigate that because it might be better to have two separate systems like that actually might be more cost effective. There may be economies of scale by doing it together, but they don't know for certain just yet. Um and that's kind of part of like the exploration process, right? Correct. There are two factors there. One is if the two systems actually touch or not. And there is are you hiring one contractor to do it all at the same time. And either way, you probably would be hiring one contractor to do it at the same time. And that's where you gain the the cost efficiency. Yeah. Understood.
084Whether the pipes actually touch one another or not. So Todd, if I understood and we can have a conversation, I understand you were sort of saying that you'd be in support of authorizing the first step. Yes. Right. like if we understand that we need to have some exploration and then I'm wondering if what the timing is for you if that is a resolution that goes on the 27th agenda that authorizes the expenditure of funds for the exploration component to gather more information as we learned like to do it step by step. Um we don't necessarily have to make a decision. We're not we're we don't have to make a decision this evening, but we can get ourselves down to the path. Or is that would that be within timing? Yeah. Could I speak for a
085moment about the process, which would be if you're interested in a geothermal system, we would um help the district issue a request for proposals to um companies to drill a couple wells, do the requisite testing. um and we would bring to the board um those quotes and you could award that. So that would actually we wouldn't even need a resolution. We would we'd be voting on their receipt once we received the request for proposal. You'd be approving a proposal that meets with your approval. So we and eventually vote on an RFP about that whatever that next step is. Yes. Is the board okay with authorizing tetra check to go out with the RFP around this to start the process? Yes. Yeah. So, none of these the reason why I'm asking it seems to be a
086general more of a straw pull. No one's being locked in anything, right? The RFP will decide that will be the vote that we'll take around the expend possible expenditure of funds. Additional questions, comments, concerns? I think you have some a direction forward. Let's see. Yes, thank you. Um, shall I take this direction to also mean that we should provide the direction that we need to provide to contractors that are working right now that the future system will be a geothermal system? I would be much what is the timeline for which that direction needs to be given to our current contractors? they're being patient and um not asking for claims for delay. Uh so I've been asking for some direction for some time before they uh get more serious about a potential. Um Yep. So let's
087follow delay train of thought for a second if we can. So, we'd like to give current contractors an idea of which way the board is leaning or heading. We're right. Is that what I'm more specifically take this piping out and give us a credit or change the piping? Yep. In this other way. So, then the other question becomes though we do an RFP, we do have some exploration and we find out that we are not able to do a ground source heating system. Then where do we find ourselves? Um if you're worried about that, we could provide direction to the contractor um just to just to remove work period from the contract. Um if we found ourselves in that in that position, then um we could look at a different kind of ground source heat
088pump, not the open uh not the open well, but the closed well, which is what you have at Enfield, for example. So they're different technologies. Um, so we could make that decision at that time or we could decide we'll just do a traditional cooling tower system. Yeah. And I'm not trying to pull on the process. I'm just trying to make sure that we're following a process that doesn't find us in a situation that costs us money as opposed to want to go down. I saw some other is that you No, I'm curious. You're saying we can do a closed loop system. I'm assuming that's the cost is a lot higher and that's why it didn't make it on here. So I mean I that might change my decisions. I mean, if it's twice as expensive,
089I might say, "I don't want to do crowdsource. Maybe we should do like air sourcing pumps or some other option." So, I'm I'm apprehensive as well to tell the contractor like, "Yes, we're definitely doing this if we don't know that we can be doing it." So, I think I think it's my experience, you know, with contractors is it's better to be honest and transparent and just say, "Hey, listen. This is what the board voted on or this is what the board talked about. They want to do this exploration. They're leaning towards doing this. Are you guys willing to give us, you know, x amount of time?" So we can really, you know, narrow this down. I think people appreciate transparency. Sure. So I personally I' I'd like to approach it like that, but I don't
090know what other people think. So and and hearing from them, you know, getting their feedback. Maybe they come back to us and say, "Hey, can you guys do it within six months?" Then as a board we have a decision. Um, but I'd like to have like an honest and open dialogue with them first. Absolutely. Seems like we're all on the same page. Great. Fantastic. Thank you, Chris. Thank you for your patience as well and for being here with us this evening. Uh, next agenda item is upcoming dates of importance. Uh, I think there's one on Tuesday, May 20th. This is date of importance. Again, polls are open from uh noon until 900 p.m. You can find additional information on the district website about polling locations, about budgets, and school board candidates. Uh again, please exercise
091your Democratic uh right to vote. And uh one date of importance uh Emily and I will be putting out, we want to make sure we have it on tape as well. The next policy committee uh to our board colleagues will be a 2hour policy committee meeting between 4 and 6 pm uh on June 3. Um so rather than starting at 5, that one we know it's a difficulty for some folks. We apologize in advance for the start time. Uh but given the fact that the school district has at least three policies that are being required that we have to consider in addition to everything else. One is Governor Hawkell's bell-to-bell cell phone ban. Another is the governor has required or the state legislature has required that all school districts have a school board liaison. Fortunately,
092we are ahead of that and so that should be a simple one, but we want to make sure we modify it to our process. Um, and then lastly, the govern the state has required that the district pass a policy that encourages voter registration. And so, we have a sample policy for that, which we may want to just modify as well. But those are three required policies that we need to get through in addition to the other policies that we've talked about. So, uh, that will be June 3rd from 4 to 6:00 pm and then with HR following afterwards. And I think that's it for colleagues. Anything else? And then if we get to see folks tomorrow for the screening of Screen Aers, that would be great. Again, 6:30 is the start of the film. Uh,
093and with that, we'll bring the meeting to a close. Have a good evening. Okay.