HCCS Public Work Session - August 21, 2025

001All right. Uh good evening. Uh welcome to a uh special work session. Uh we don't usually meet on Thursday nights, but because of timing and the business we need to uh decide on. Um we have a special work session on this Thursday night. We have two agenda items. Um if we do not get to the second one, that's okay. Um the first one may take our entire time. Um I promise you to be watching the clock and we will be done one way or another at 7:30. Um, those of you around the table, I am uh asking to make sure when you're talking, you get the mic up close to you. Nathan has done it's I can already tell a huge difference in here today with the sound. Nathan, thank you. This is awesome, uh,

002within this. So, uh, with that, um, hi Terry. Uh, how are you? >> Oh, >> I'm doing well, thank you. >> Good. Um, tonight, here's what our goal is. Um, at the next board meeting on Monday night, the packet has gone out. It's been advertised to the public. You're going to see the timelines. We're going to be voting on the timelines for the 2025 bond. You don't you're not necessarily that night going to be approving a project. However, before we go into the hearings, we have to have the project sorted out. So, there's not a decision that needs to be made Monday, but we need to be going a direction. So, when Terry and I are working on this for all the proper documentation and paperwork, we're honoring your wishes as a board. And so,

003Terry, with that, um, we'll turn it over to you and you're going to walk us through some of the details and then I'll try to lead a discussion here then. >> Thank you, John. I appreciate it. Um, so, schoolboard, I'm going to present the same presentation that I um, uh, showed you back on the 11th. Um, I gave you the CliffNotes 20 minute version. And this is the hour version. Going to get into more detail and feel free to ask me questions along the way. Um so what I'm going to present again is um three options. Option A, B, C, and then some alternate options. So those alternate options could take the place of things in A, B, and C or plug in there um in addition to just depends on how the numbers work

004out because it's um it's a math problem based on what we had talked about at the at the meeting, schoolboard meeting of a general obligation bond of about 6.6, which would give us about 6 million in um construction money. So that's the way that I'm looking at it. So, option A would be a new maintenance uh building, IT building, transportation building. That's the former RMC building um out by the reservoir. Option B would be high school library renovation into a learning commons as well as high school window replacement. Option C would be the same, the library renovation to learning commons, secure vestibules um at a few buildings and then uh salomony school pool demolition uh to re remove that portion of the building um and rightsize it a little bit. And then the alternative options

005would be high school arena ceiling repaint, horseman HVAC replacement, reseal the windows, doors at the triplets, and then clean, seal the masonry and caulk the joints at the triplets, Crest View and Riverview. All right, so getting started with option A. So a new maintenance uh building, IT building, transportation building, that's what's there now. Um and a lot of storage on top of that. So ballpark cost for this is about six million. So it's pretty much the only project if we decided to go down this road that we could uh get done with uh the geobond. So to give you a little history on the existing building, um it was built 1965 was the RMC building like I said and then in 2001 there's a poleb barn building that's storage that's adjacent to it. So overall

006those two buildings combines about 22,750 square feet. It's on about 7.65 acres. Asphalt paving and parking and gravel parking. So it's um obviously the folks that work there and then bus parking is the majority of it. The building houses offices, IT, maintenance, garage shops, equipment, and like I said, material storage. So, the height of the building um was not built with the intent of having buses um on lifts to get them up off the floor uh very high. There there is a lift in there, but it it's there's just not enough room to go up very high with it. And when I was out there getting these pictures for the presentation, they were just using creepers on the floor uh to access uh the underside of the bus. So, um there there's a lot of

007hazardous material that's that's stored out there obviously for the maintenance of vehicles and buses and there's really no uh containment uh systems in place for that and it's it's just what's been done for years. Um there are a lot of unsafe non-code compliant issues with the storage and the stairs and the railing and the restrooms are not even remotely close to being ADA accessible. Um and so um that's just something that would have to be remedied um with a new building. So this is an aerial of the property on the north side is the the primary building and then the pole barns just to the north there. A little bit of parking and then the second parcel to the south. So there are two parcels there total is the the bus parking. Um, and then

008you're uh butting up to reservoir property and obviously State Road 5. I talked to the county about the property because it's zoned agricultural and it um it never got a special use variance to be used for what it is today. There's no record that it was ever done. It was just allowed. You guys took over the building and it became what it is. So, since the paperwork was never filed and none of that was ever done, we would have to do that now with a new building. And we would also need to deal with the airport authority to get approval from them as well since they're the adjacent neighbor. And basically, right where you see the bus parking, that's right in line with the runway. So, um, the airport's going to have height restrictions on

009the building, but it shouldn't affect what we need just to get the building a little taller than what's there to allow for buses. And so, the idea that I had is to build a new building. Um, and it could be built to the north of the existing building potentially while you keep the existing main building in play and use it or you build the new building to the south where the bus parking is. Um the only issue that creates a little bit is where you're going to put those buses while you're building that new building. So just something that would have to be figured out. Um based on the complexity of this project, it's going to it would take a little longer to get through the design process and then the approval process and everything

010else because it is a complete new building and demolition. So it's not it's not something that we can do as fast as like we do in here in the high school um where it's just renovation. So, some pictures of the existing building. This is the front of it um from State Road 5. And um I mentioned in the meeting last time that my pictures do not do this justice. My pictures will make it look really nice and it's it's not so nice. But, um I brighten up all the pictures so that you can see them and in the process it does make them look better. So, there's there's the lift that I mentioned, but you can see how close the lights, the heating, everything else. It's it's the bus is not going up very high

011if uh if you do put it on the lift. um the restroom and and Rich had told me about this how they if you use that urinal on the right on the on the left you kind of straddle the heater and uh he said he said that's kind of a running joke uh how they deal with it. Um this is the storage loft. You can see the buses there in the background. This is a storage loft. There's uh there's a lot less stuff than used to be up there. um back when we started in 21 and 22, there was a lot a lot a lot of stuff up there. A lot of stuff I recognized from when I was in school. So, um they cleaned a lot of that out. Um but you can't it's

012hard to tell in the picture on the right. There's some really good cobwebs going on there. So, uh it could serve as a haunted house as well. But the uh railing, if you look at that railing, it's literally like knee height and there's no no toe kick or anything. So you could easily have a part fall off. Uh the stairs are too wide. The railing's not tall enough. There's no handrails um per code. Um this is around the corner of that same storage area. As you can see, that's the railing is just 2x4s. It's pretty simple. And then this gets into the storage of the hazardous material and and how it's stored. And you can just see it's five gallon buckets of stuff and just it just kind of gets put wherever. It's not horrible,

013but it's also not the safest uh environment to be in if you if you have a spill or uh have any incident. And then the shops are out there, too. So, the shops were a lot cleaner than the maintenance area, but the the shops area where you've got woodworking shop and other things, not bad. Um they seem to have uh quite a bit of room, which is good to do their job. And then the exterior of the building, it just has a lot of wear and tear from its age from 1965, a lot of rust. Um, the way it's designed as well, the steel structure of the building penetrates through the exterior wall. So to heat and cool that building, it has to cost a small fortune or they just are not very comfortable when

014when they're in there. So, um, this was, it's can't, it's hard to see on that picture on the right, but that's the gas meter for the building incoming gas meter. And there's no protection around that. There should be ballards there, uh, so that somebody with a vehicle, which is parked right in front of it, wouldn't run into it. And you can see right next to it on the right, a vehicle has hit the building because it's completely caved in a couple feet right there. So um and then the picture on the left shows u the bar the pole pole barn building and you've got fuel storage there again with no containment. Uh there's nothing in place for that. And then inside that building and Rich and I were just talking about it. He was here

015just a little bit ago and we were talking about as you can see the stairs for the storage loft in that pole barn. There's zero railing. So carrying things has to be a lot of fun up and down the stairs without any way to catch yourself if you lose your balance. So um so a lot of things that need to be remedied with a new building to improve um what's going on out there. Um and and likely because of what it is. This isn't students, it isn't staff, it isn't teachers, it's but these guys keep everything going. These guys keep everything alive and um it's important that they have nice space and they've they've been neglected a little bit I think over the years and uh but they're fine with it. Rich's like I'm good.

016I don't care. But that's the mentality that they have and um it's great but um it definitely could use some some improvements. So, um, so a new a new building would include again the same spaces, maintenance staff, office, meeting spaces, um, IT staff offices and meeting spaces, uh, new bus bays with lift capabilities, new fuel and oil storage and containment, uh, new storage space, new shop areas and offices, and improved HVAC and ventilation, improved parking areas, and improved site drainage. um the way the building sits and the site, there's literally water that runs to the overhead doors uh and can get into the overhead doors in a heavy downpour. So, it's it's just the way it was built years ago and it it is a challenging uh issue to deal with. So, >> Terry, Terry,

017are you imagining this being the same square footage as the current one, bigger, smaller, just different design? Um, when we'd get into design, we would find out between that pole barn and what I see stored in the loft and all that, what what do you really need? There used to be more a lot more stuff up there. And what I saw in a lot of places is still just old stuff. And so in the process of design, we would find out what do you what do you really need? And is there a better way to store things than what you're doing so that we can consolidate? Um, I based my six million dollars off of a building of similar square footage. Um, but if we make a taller building, we could actually create storage loft

018space that is accessible and is safe and do it better. Um, and even possibly put in like a dumb waiter type lift so they could move things up and down so that the building doesn't have to take up necessarily more footprint uh than what's already there or even maybe less. Would it be um having that extra room? You could build you could have be under construction and still do business out of the old one without issue. >> I I believe it would not be an issue to continue to do that. I think there's enough room there to make it work. It's just the logistics of the buses potentially to the south. Um and also in the process in talking to the county, we would combine both of those parcels because we can't build across that

019lot line. Um so we would combine all that together into one big parcel at the same time. So, >> so I'm not a fan of putting that building right in the end of a runway. So, I would love to see or hear conversations to the north. Maybe get rid of that pull barn a little bit. See if they can do without it. Maybe they'd also find out they don't need the stuff that's in there and they could re start the process of of >> sorting, >> right, >> to begin with. Um, that would make more sense to me. The other question I have, and this may be getting into a larger topic, um, what I heard you say is it's going to take some more time. >> It will. >> So, does it, and this

020is a question now for John, what I heard from Ice Miller in that the riveting conversation, because I know everyone was on their the seat of their chairs because I was, I'm assuming everyone else was. um that we we do this geo bond and then we have the ability to possibly do a larger one than the year after. Do we have an idea of what that is? Because the reason I asked that question is that may color some of my decision and thought processes going into this geobond. >> Yes. Um the the absolute answer to your question is yes. >> Okay. Um, today Terry sent to us uh a document which was his presentation at the last meeting with our new AV in it. And Becky is going to talk to this a little bit,

021Mrs. Smith on Monday night. Um, so that we just have a a better understanding of your question about timing and what it means. My recommendation to all of you is going to do is do the the payment to pay it off in five years because of how the laws written. It affords us then future boards administration options where if we go with a two-year then we get into um >> complications. >> Yes. within that. Now, the timing of this is really important because if we have a direction from you within the next week, maybe even tonight, you know, we can't vote on anything, but we have an idea. I think we get busy pretty quick. And then, um, you know, one thing I've not talked to Terry about, which is where you're driving your question,

022is what's the completion look like on something like this if this is your decision? So, how long I think that's really kind of also what you're asking is how long would the process take, you know, but I'm to answer your question. It depends if we go to the two or the five-year. >> Um, >> oh, and then I got a question about that, too. >> The payout, but that's why I've already started talking to Mrs. Smith. I think we need to have a conversation about that. >> Yeah. And now that you have the AV, you know, specifically, um, but I'm not concerned about completion here, new bond leases in the future. I think the timing of all that's going to work very well. >> Yeah. And and I, as I said in in conversation, this

023too is what I don't like about the five-year >> I know >> is the cost. >> Absolutely. >> But the law says we have to have a fiveyear. We have to do five year to be able to do that. But is there a penalty if we pay it off early? >> Let's say that again. >> Is there a penalty if we pay it early? >> Um >> I don't you don't have to answer that. Let's just think about it. >> Yeah, I I would be really hesitant of that just because of the way the law is written. Um, I know it was riveting conversation last Monday night and you had to weed through a lot of information, but it behooves us to pay that off in five years for future flexibility for future projects. >>

024Yeah, I don't like that answer, but >> rather than pay it early, you mean >> rather than pay it early. >> Yeah. >> So, I don't care what project here or projects you pick, it's going to be the same. It's going to be the same conversation, >> but just to reiterate, we probably will continue this conversation after we get this geo bond figured out. We'll then start that conversation for that next larger project is what I would hear. >> My goal would be in the winter of 26 is for us now that we that we have made these decisions, we've gone through the process, now to jump right into your questions. What's next? What's our time frame? How long out are we talking? Um, you're going to have some major decisions as a board to

025determine, okay, if you listen to Terry, he gave you, you know, projected what you're going to have available to you over the next 10, 15, 20 years. Well, you obviously don't want to spend all of that in one chunk. So, again, this is where we work with Terry on spreading this out to make sure that we're doing it the right way. So, >> you mean Tyler? Who' I say? >> Terry. >> Well, >> two T's. I I thought I knew who you were talking about. I just want to make sure. >> Tyler Tyler from uh Baker. Baker Tilly. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. I hope I'm answering your question. >> You are. And it's probably leading to more questions, but I think for right now, I want to have Terry continue. >> Yes. So, so Ryan,

026it's good question on timing. So I what by taking longer um what I mean by that is the process of getting approvals from the county the airport authority that obviously is going to add it can add a month or two based on schedule and timing on their part. We would still be designing the whole time but design-wise for us it would probably take six to seven months just to get through the design and approval process. But what's nice about this project is it doesn't have to be a summer project like the high school or one of the other schools. it can be done whenever. Um, and we can work around if we're going to build the new building adjacent to the existing. Um, construction-wise, this a building like this would probably take about nine months.

027Um, as long as everything went well and then demo the old building, clear the site, get everything cleaned up. So, overall, you're looking at a year and a half project probably from beginning to end um to get through this one. um as long as we start and don't have any hiccups and don't have any issues um in getting through the process. The other thing we don't know yet is obviously soil conditions, things like that out there. I don't know what the site was used for previously, if it was just farm field or a dump site or who knows. So, we've we've seen a little bit of everything over the years. So, uh hopefully it's just farm field and and we'll have good soils and good capacity. This is an example of uh a school system

028locally that um did a really big pre-engineered so big steel building that's the most economical building for this type of project. Um and there's different ways you can heat it and cool it and uh ventilation and everything else. So, um, but it it's it was a pretty nice example and we, like I said in the meeting, we would go visit some some buildings and see some newer bus buildings just to see how they did things and see what we like, what we don't like, and and work off of that. So, any other questions regarding that option A >> on that? Just an FYI for for you on the combining those parcels is about a $5 fee at the auditor's office. It takes about 10 minutes. the um the storm water review. I do the storm

029water review for the county. So um I don't know if that >> Can you make them I can't barely hear you. >> The storm water review for the county. That's me. Um there's pretty simple standards on what we ask for. Uh it's not hard. Um and the biggest thing that I look for is the release rates on what we're going to do. Uh my other questions with this would be on the that building that's there. How many buses typically are they working on at a time or when I was there there I think there were three in there in that picture. Um well there's two. Um but there also could be a bus or a truck or a >> My next question would be is how many auto I mean like we have buses. How

030many buses do we have total? >> Uh active uh I'm going to say don't hold me to it. I think 81 uh buses um in some manner you know that is include the small white buses and so >> how many vehicles do we have as pickups and cars and that stuff and and do they do all the work on those as well? >> Yes sir. So my question on this would be since this building is short, would we be able to salvage this building for the automotive portion of it and only build something for the buses and revamp this and save quite a bit of money? >> Um, possibly. I don't know what value. This building's really bad shape. Um, is not insulated. Is the way it's heated, cooled, and the ventilation. You take it

031down to its shell, there's not a lot of value left. It is a pre-engineered box um that has a tremendous amount of wear and tear and age on it. Um so it's it's that would be an option it but trying to save that and work around it >> could be challenging >> because of the site >> and and I didn't get pictures in here of the drainage. The drainage is is is pretty tricky. And if if you were taking out say the the pole barn and stuff, we I mean I think it'd be pretty easy to to lower the the ground elevations and drop the the pavement in front of it and give it positive drainage away from the building, >> but that I'm just asking. >> Right. And add some sight drainage that doesn't

032exist. Right. >> Right. I don't know where it goes to now, but um there's there's quite a there's quite a few structures out there, but um Rich told me it's pretty challenging when it's a heavy downpour of of how they deal with the water, >> right, >> and the runoff. So, yeah, all we would look start from a fresh look and also have to deal with um storm water today and the co code requirements and the regulations are different than when this was built. So, we're probably going to have underground storage somewhere to deal with all the hard surface. Yeah, you will. >> Yeah. You don't think so? >> Nope. >> Well, it depends on how we redo the site. And do you guys count gravel as 50% or 100%. >> Typically is 80%. >>

03380. >> And then Yeah. >> So, we just did got to do the math. And also, there's a little bit more room there. Um, and do we spread the buses out more? Do we I don't know. There's a lot we'd have to get into, but uh be handy to um have you as part of the team to to work through some of that because you'd tell us what we need to look at up front. >> Yeah. So, >> okay. >> So, another question on that that area >> having recently seen a school corporation having to cancel school for a day because their buses were vandalized. Do we also need to in that concept, and I know it's not in your numbers, but is it something that we need to consider is adding additional security for

034our buses while we're out there? >> No. No question. That's been one of the leading conversations that Terry and I and Chuck have been having is that we can't do this and not and not address the security related issues. And I mean that's on all fronts. So that's including cameras, that's including fencing. Um that has to be part of this of this project if if we decide to go this direction. probably also electrical for winter to heat the keep the engine blocks going on them as well. Or is there that already there? >> It's there. >> Is it there? Okay. >> It's It's there barely, but it's there. Right. >> It's kind of an old school method, but it's there. >> It's there. Right. >> Yeah. I didn't take pictures of everything, but um Okay.

035Um I'll move on to option B. So option B would be high school library renovation uh into a learning commons and then the high school window replacements. So existing condition library was originally designed and a lot of you went to school here. Some of us are old enough to know what it looked like originally and then others only know it as it kind of looks today. So uh with the the walls that go up to the ceiling. Um, so originally it was made to be able to see through the space and and get a lot of natural daylight in there from the four uh courtyards. That's not how it is today. It's a box and it's it's not real inviting to be in there. It works well for testing and other things because you um

036are pretty isolated, but um it's just not a very inviting space. So, we would definitely want to dress that up. It is a little over 12,000 square feet, so it's larger than the science block project that we did a couple years ago. Um, and as far as the exterior windows on the building itself, the high school, some of the windows are right behind you. There's single pane glass. Um, really no security, no safety. There is window tint on most of these windows or film that's been added over the years. Um, so we would want to uh make some changes to this and add some security, which I'll talk about here in a second. So, there's a couple pictures inside the ceiling system. Um, is it changes in there because if you go in there now

037and where that training room is, that's off to the right when you come in from the science block side of the building. Um, that that box of rooms used to be in the middle and you used to be able to walk around the library and you can't anymore because that was all shifted over. And so, you can see it in the ceiling. If you go in there and look, you'll see where the ceiling changes and you can kind of tell where things used to be. Um, there's still a lot of stacks, a lot of books. Um, and in talking to the librarian, she knows that she would want to reduce and consolidate and um, and improve things and make it more of a modern space. Um, also over time, the building was originally not designed

038to have it because it didn't exist in 1970 except for coax wire. So, this got added. There is uh an IT rack in there and there is cooling within that IT rack. Um but I mentioned at the meeting the ceiling platinum is still wide open. So all of that cold air that's dumping in there and ends up just going into the ceiling and and uh gets spread out the building. Um so we'd want to create a real IT room that's isolated and controlled much better than um than what's there today. But we also don't want to move this. it would be very expensive and very tedious and very difficult and challenging to move that because you can't stretch it cabling. It doesn't you can't stretch it to move stuff around. So, um so we would

039not want to do that. We just want to clean it up and make it better. So, so uh and also there were restrooms in there as well which are no longer there. So, we would want to bring back restroom um space and and that way if you've got something going on there, a student doesn't necessarily have to leave the library to go out into the building. They could just use the restroom within that space. So, uh a new modern library. Um and again, uh costwise we're looking at around 4 million, but um that could change depending on everything that we add to it, the level of finishes and how far we go with things. I just ballparked it right now at about four million. It would be include library learning um study space, meeting space,

040maker lab and digital exploration space. Um multiple rooms with specialized learning, open space and soft seating for large group gathering and teaching. Various meeting space uh types with flexibility and diversity, consolidated book stack storage, digital integration throughout all spaces with for modern teaching and learning. and then glass walls uh with some privacy to allow natural daylight and more of an open feel like it once had. These are images that I shared with you last time. These uh came through uh the librarian. She works with a furniture company and this was just some of the concepts and ideas that they were throwing around in the process of helping ballpark costs um because this would be a soft cost item for the space to have all of this furniture uh put in there. Some of the maker

041space and lab spaces that would be uh internal to the space. This is an idea of meeting room spaces where you have open concept where you can see through it but you have digital capabilities. Um but this is what you would see in a higher ed and also in the corporate world these days. This is a lot of this is when I go to meetings this is a what a lot looks like. So we want high school students to to be exposed to this earlier rather than later. And right now they don't have these opportunities for for spaces like this. And this even takes it even further where you do pods uh or the concept in the images shows uh booth type meeting spaces as well. But this would be more of a sound proof

042option where you could have learning pods or um meeting pods like these. And these can actually be moved around. They just plug and play. U so it's pretty simple how these work. Uh consolidated book storage. This is a way to do it to where you don't have books spread throughout the entire space and instead it could be uh in the middle or in a corner or out of the way uh but still accessible for students. Ideas of bright colors, fun space, soft seating um and uh being at University of Cincinnati yesterday dropping my youngest son off for college for the first time for him. This is exactly what we walked through. This is his dorm looked like this. He's he's in a 14story dorm and this is what you see. Uh it's brand new. It

043was pretty impressive and fun and amazing and he was excited. He was ready for me to leave. So So see you. So uh so I'm glad he's uh going to enjoy it and have fun. But this is what we want to bring here. So when students transition up to the higher level, they they've already been exposed to it to some extent. Um, this is the concept for using clear glass but adding some level of privacy. You can integrate graphics and design into it. Much like we did the mural wall, we could do something similar here but do it on on the glass. Um, and a lot of this is just big stickers and decals that's put over the glass. So, it's an inexpensive way to accomplish what we want to. Um, so that is um

044a nutshell version. There's a lot more going into the to the library into a learning commons because we'd want a lot of involvement from different groups about what do you want? Um, and this would be a central space. Obviously, it'd be the u diamond in the rough of the building, but it gives every department, every teacher, everybody access to a modern, fun, exciting space. Um, I mean the planetarium if for those of us that have been in there and see how cool that little tiny space is and I imagine that in 12,000 square feet of that kind of excitement in the building. Um, and that's what our intent would be for this. >> What um I'm sorry I got a couple questions. So obviously disruption uh for school um how long a couple years um

045I can just see it's a big enough space and it use and it's I know it's used still despite its age. >> Um and maybe Dr. Dots I'm probably drag you into this too but um um what do you think? >> I would anticipate we would phase it like we did the science. So either in halves because science is was 10,000. So, this is a little bigger. >> Um, but this is actually a little easier than science and that it's not all that case work and all the it's that space was heavy plumbing and mechanical and a lot. This is not a little different, but I think we would end up phasing it so that potentially you could use half of the old while you're renovating, half of the new and then flip it and

046be able to open it up. it probably be a two summer project. >> Um, another question again probably for the librarian or Dr. Digits or some of your staff, but over the last decade or so, maybe longer, I've been to several high schools in particular through show choir competitions, athletic competitions, whatever it might be. Uh, a lot of places and it's it's been brought up here to me since I'm my position. Um, if we ever renovated the library, is there any consideration of a smaller like auditorium, lecture hall, um, whatever you want to call it? I don't I don't know. There a lot of schools have a smaller meeting area that is that can be used as a lecture hall. Um, now maybe it's not something that's necessarily a thing anymore because you're trying to

047get smaller class sizes and I understand that. Um, but just if it was going to be done, I think that's the only space that it could even be considered. Um, and if it's not, then that's fine. But like I said, more than a few people have mentioned that usually when they're walking with me through a high school that's not ours and said something like that would be really cool to North. Um, so I'm talking out loud. >> That's Tim, that's a great point. Um what we could look at is um to be able to design uh classroom or lab spaces that potentially could have uh folding partition walls. So the you could open it up to a larger space. We're still limited to this ceiling height. So no matter what we do, we're limited to

048this ceiling height. And so much like this space, it's hard to make it feel grandiose when you've got such a low. >> And that's a great point because I I know that none of us considered that. >> No one did when it was mentioned. Um but again it was it was something that's been on on my mind and I I wondered so um we talked about the the furniture and I know that's a major investment and as opposed to furnishing a classroom or a cafeteria commons is going to be seen um and it's going to be used that stuff wear decently. I mean, I know you invest a lot. So, >> right. Um, it's all about the price, quality, and and and a space like this, we would actually get uh samples of a lot

049of parts and pieces and kick the tires on it and um and literally try to put some wear and tear on it, see what happens. A lot of times you have to lean on the vendors and and have them be honest or ask them, "Where can I go see it? Where can I go see it's been in place for two years?" and go see what kind of condition it's in. Um because I've seen everything. Um and u college students uh can be a little rough. High school students are a lot more rough. I mean I've seen some of the most abuse in high schools that I've ever seen. And I've walked in I've done presentations in classrooms and there's a room full of chairs for students to sit in and not one student is sitting

050in a chair. They're sitting on tables like this and I'm like that's not made for five kids to sit on. But it's all about how uh you use the space, how you take care of the space. A lot of the chairs that are in there today are the chairs I sat in, you guys sat in, maybe John sat, I don't know if the the mall chair, I mean they've lasted forever. Um, so it's about you're going to pay for good quality upfront and so we'd have to make sure that we we get what we want and invest uh wisely. So >> So Tim took my audit my little small presentation space idea already. Second question I had for you is I believe the TV station is still over in that area too in the corner.

051>> How does that factor in? And there's a TV classroom there. Yeah, it's um we would try to integrate as many things in here as we can until we run out of room. The other issue is going to be how much open space do we want for testing and other things or do we do that to where like I said you open up smaller rooms into a larger room so that you can still have testing but have other things going on outside there? >> I think the the video the TV's now been moved down by the radio room I believe. >> Okay. Maybe it got moved. I didn't know >> area is where Yeah, that's where most of >> Yeah. I think what's important to keep in mind here too is this. Where we decide

052we're going is great, but where where we're going next is also going to be determined here over the next few months, you know, within the next year, too, because what you don't what we don't ultimately pick from here is going to be, you know, a future project sooner than later. Um, if you went this route and you said, "John, we're going to go this way." That's great, but we can't we can't kick that transportation building down the road forever. But if you said, "We're going to the transportation building next," it would be hard not to put this one up near the front of the next series of projects we're doing. And so, um, I know depending upon where this one falls into place, it would be hard for me as a superintendent, if we were

053doing a lease to say, "Hey, let's not forget why we're doing this that we go down into Nick Alman's two rooms and address that while we're doing this because there we could really be benefiting children there, too, with many of the things that's going to go on in here." And so, um, that's what these that's why these decisions are so difficult to make is because of it. It impacts us in so many different ways. So, >> yeah. >> Yep. >> It's a good point that the radio station still looks the same. So, I don't think they're spinning records anymore, but I think looks the same. >> The board did get updated. >> Coming back, right? >> All right. >> Uh, the next part of this option B would be the windows. And like I mentioned,

054so the windows are the windows out front, same windows behind you, and then we have windows at two door locations and then the athletic hallway. Um, all very similar in how it's constructed. The main issue that we have is it's single pane glass, so we have minimal to no R value there. So heating and cooling just goes right through that. Um, and the other big big component is there's no safety whatsoever. So, you get a rock big enough, you can throw it through that window and access the building. Um, so the idea would be for all of this glass, and that's why it's $2 million. Um, to replace all the glass with insulated glass and um tinted glass. So, we're going to have the tent would not be a window film like you see there

055where it's peeled off. It would be in the glass itself as part of it. So you would no longer have film and a mismatch of uh window tent and colors and things. Um these are the two door locations at door 10 and door 35. So again, it's a lot. Um but what we would add is insulated one insulated glass and then add the 3M ballistic film to that. We've done this a lot for uh federal installations and they use it. And then Rich had the opportunity a few years ago to go and swing a baseball bat and and try to break through it and they said they could not. None of them could break through the glass. So it does work. Um it does add some cost but it adds that layer of safety that

056this building does not have at all and it's uh it's a lot. It's a lot when it comes to how much is exposed in the building. So any questions on that one? >> Um does it does it make any sense at all? I mean, we have a lot of glass. Does it make any sense to have floor to ceiling glass everywhere and make them smaller somehow or or is that even something that would just exponentially increase the cost? >> It wouldn't. So, you could add a spandre panel as it's called, an insulated spandre panel that wouldn't be glass. So, it would be metal panel on the outside and inside. That's a way to do it. >> Another option would be to build an actual stud wall and that would add cost. But right >> um

057we we there's ways we could do it if you wanted to minimize that. >> Um >> minimizing the natural daylight and the views and usually people don't want to go in that direction. >> Sure. >> But um this building's unique in that it has so much open floor to ceiling glass like this. Uh which is great but also is a huge safety concern. So >> right >> um but yeah there's different ways to look at it and then decide which direction is best. So to Terry, just for the sake of time, if we could cover these next two in the next 15 minutes to allow them about a half hour to have some discussion here, >> I think that'd be agreeable to everybody that that would be great. So thank you. >> The rest of

058them get a little more boring. So much fun. So uh option C again the library which we're not going to cover again but then now we're going to add secure vestibules at the triplets and salomony and then the pool de pool demolition which some of you have seen before because we had already designed it as part of the HVAC uh replacement project there. So we already talked about the library and everything that's included there. um the triplets and when it comes to uh secure entry vestibules, I covered this in the meeting, but that's one of the triplets and they're all exactly the same. You have main doors that walk into the building. You have full rain of the entire building after you walk through those doors. Uh the the office is off to the right

059of that picture on the left and the right of the picture on the right. Um so you're coming in right at the office, but you come in and then walk around and go into that door. The idea would be to add a wall at this location. Um, take one of the windows out of the office and put a door in that vestibule so that you would have secure vestibule. They could no longer get into the building, but they could instead get into the office if you allow access into the office. If they need to then go into the building, they would go through the office and out and not necessarily through the vestibule any longer. So that adds a layer of security that also helps with HVAC heating cooling costs as well because we are

060now trapping that cold or hot air in that vestibule and not letting it come into the building. Salimony it's simply adding card access like this building now has uh to the front doors. Um right now you get buzzed in um but then you can keep going and so it would be to add a layer at one of the at the interior vestibule doors. So you'd let them into the vestibule but then stop them there and then buzz them in after that. So >> So the trip was it similar to concept of what we did at Crestview? >> It's Yes, it's Yeah, exactly. Because that's what Rich had me look at and we've done this same thing over and over and over for Fort William Community Schools in the past u because buildings weren't designed or

061weren't built originally with with vestibules. So uh the pool demo is pretty straightforward and simple. Um the space is not used. It's not even heated and cooled. Uh the pool isn't. But the locker rooms, so you see the red line where it chops off. Those are the original locker rooms that serve the pool. Um there are a couple restrooms that are still used there today, but barely. And the rest of it pretty much is storage of stuff that can probably go away. Um, so the idea would be to demo that entire thing and the wall that's now in the hallway would become an exterior wall um to the building and we would put metal siding on it and and make sure it's waterproof and then change the roof uh configuration, make everything work. Um, so

062pretty straightforward about how that could be done. We already had a that was an alternate in the HVAC replacement project, so we know where that cost was and we anticipate it be fairly close to the same still. Um because and that that's a pretty quick and easy one because we just pull that out of our drawings, create a new set of drawings from what we already have designed and put it out to bid. >> I thought we were also going to get the rid of those locker rooms at the top. Was that an option or is that an addition separate option? Okay. >> There were six total alternates in that project and we ended up with one alternate and the main project is all we could afford. So, >> so what do we do for

063the sporting events and the restrooms? Because that's when those restrooms are heavily used, correct? >> And there's only one stall, >> right? This drawing doesn't show it, but they would. So, in that hallway that goes um right there on the bottom of where the gymnasium is, that hallway, we would add a men's and women's restroom in that location. I didn't show it in the We have it already designed and drawn, but that's >> Would there would there be any I mean like changing those locker rooms into restrooms at all? >> Uh the up there? >> Yes, >> absolutely. They could. They're just they're not mothball really. They're just one has a store in it >> and the other is pretty much just storage and empty. But yeah, that could be a possibility. >> So you

064asking just are there are there just no locker rooms then for teams? I mean, there's >> no which is which is okay. I just wanted to make sure that's clear that there wouldn't be any any locker rooms for teams. I mean, I don't know that that's necessary anymore, but um >> that's what I've been told. It's not used at all. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's used for the basketball games and >> I've heard nobody really changes. Nobody really does a lot. So, >> there's not a lot that is correct, but they are. I mean, like they're used occasionally. >> Yeah. Yeah, the locker rooms to the north could be brought back easier. >> Yeah, utilizing those because they're nicer. They're in nicer shape and >> yeah, somehow changing that into a restroom as well

065would be give you a lot more options. >> It would and that would be very a viable option because this doesn't include taking that off, right? So, >> okay, >> Carrie, that's what I was going to ask too. >> Mr. Mr. Trout, do you know does sound have to budget any money for the pool area? Like anything extra? >> Um, when we're when when when Mrs. Smith and I are putting the budgets together, we always take that into account, but there is not a line item per se. But when we are figuring um two areas and mainly when we're looking at some of the line items at ceremony, we we built in a little bit for that, but I'm not going to tell you as a board that it's significant. >> Okay. Um, my personal

066concern is is that, and Terry, I'm probably going to use the wrong words, is that that pool is pulling away area walls. There's some significant cracking and separation going on in there. That would that is that fair to say or is that not fair to say? >> Um, we didn't see anything structural with it. The biggest issue is um with that mechanical replacement project that's going on right now. We're abandoning a lot of old stuff because we can't get it out of the building. There's it was the building was built around it. Um so you're just leaving a lot of old stuff that isn't necessary anymore. The building's not utilized as a middle school like it was, you know. So um and you're but you're spending money to keep the lights on and some heating

067in some of the space. um you're pumping water out of it. There's ground water coming into that pool all the time that's being pumped out. So it's it's a nuisance. It's an issue. So um any more questions on those two? Okay. So this is the alternate options. These could be combined or switched around with some of the others and and plugged in here. Um, so high school arena ceiling, repaint, horseman, HVAC, and then resealing windows and masonry at the triplets. Uh, and then Crest View and Riverview. Um, the Arena ceiling, I showed you guys pictures last time. Um, it looks fine from a distance and then if you look at it closely, you start to see where the paint's peeled off of the piping. You see where paint's peeling off of the structure. Uh, it's

068peeling off the HVAC duct work. Um, and my guess is is that the original oilbased paint was still up there and then a latex paint was put over it at some point and that's usually what causes this. It just starts to pull itself apart. Uh, and um, I know Rich takes a lot of pride in the floor and how that space looks and he he looks up and he's like, "We got to do something about this." So, he's the one who would really like to see this. Um the space is amazing. You guys have an arena that most schools do not. Um because um I know I I've been in Homestead's new arena and I don't even know why they call an arena. So it's a gym compared You guys have an arena. It's it's

069really nice. So um and I know uh other schools like to come and play in your arena because of what it is. So um so that one's pretty straightforward. It's the challenging part with that is is a lot a lot a lot of square footage. I think it's about 40,000 square feet uh because it goes over the bleachers. It goes everywhere and and the way to get that paint off is you got to go in and use some type of media blast uh to get it off. And so it's going to make a huge mess and um going to shut it down. It could be a done in a summer. It's just going to take a good team and a good crew to get in there and get it done. And then they use a

070dryfall paint. So that new paint if even any overspray it comes down it dries. It's called dryfall because it dries before it ever hits the floor and so it's dust at that point. So you don't get overspray on everything. So um Horseman HVAC. This one's just due to the age of the equipment and how it's kind of been pieced together over time. Um, and these pictures show how you've got things kind of, you know, you've got some spray foam uh sealing things up. And then on the other side where you see the dirt on that white duct work insulation wrap, that's leakage. And so this would be replacing um small mechanical units throughout the entire building. Um, not one that's too glamorous, but uh would need to be done. And this one is then the

071masonry and caulk joints at the triplets as well as crest view and riverview. And this was just some pictures of you can see the caul's completely gone and at that corner location of a window that's allowing that water down into that masonry which could end up into the building rather than going out of the building. So we don't want moisture in the wall which can create bad things inside the wall. So, this is just a maintenance thing that needs done um to to keep the building safe and healthy. Um and then as well as just the uh look of some of it where you have um mold, mildew, it's bas the triplets have no to be cleaned up and some of the drainage needs to be dealt with. And then the masonry is just cleaning

072u that's at Riverview. uh Riverview. Overall, the building's not bad, but this is in some of these uh um auxiliary walls just need cleaned up. There are some caulk joints that don't have caul in them. Uh so at some point some work was done, but caulk wasn't put back. So we'd want to just take care of the whole building and get it all done at one time. So I think I have a minute to spare. So >> you're good. Um let's spend the next just few minutes just um talking about your general thoughts about what you saw here that if you were to say that you're leaning one direction to point us to a direction uh weave that into what you're going to say to us and then we can kind of build off of

073each other's conversations here. Um, and then I'll see where we're kind of at as a group and then hopefully tie us up here toward the end. So, we got a half an hour. So, um, Tim, you want to start us then? >> No, I'm I was just going to start honestly with the rest of the board, Mr. Melture, because I got plenty to say, but they're not going to get a chance. >> Okay. So, um, this is my thoughts. So, safety and security. Um, I I gotta go with the secure vestibules at a half million. Um, I got to take care of my exterior of my building because if you don't take care of the exterior, the inside start to fall apart. So, I got to reseal the windows. A little over a half million.

074Um this this is re the crest view riverview the doors that whole 678 then the windows of the high school at two. So then that that leaves me with roughly a little over a million left. So then we can either do pool or we can do the high school arena. Um and and I I want to say that I I really want to do the transportation. Um my reasoning for going away from that is just the unfortunate fact is they're out of sight, out of mind. Um, and and I I just I I think if we overlook some of this other stuff, if you if you wouldn't have presented this stuff the way you did, you did too good. We could have probably missed out on some of these things. But I for that reason,

075I I have to go the way I'm thinking. So, >> Mr. Carl, what are you thinking? Mrs. Miller, >> my greatest concern, I guess if I prioritized everything, it would be the safety and security of kids. Um, and that goes to everything Matt was just addressing. Um, of course, safety and security of our employees is also important. Um, I have a question on the transportation building since we talked about essentially rebuilding that. Have we looked at going to an alternative site to do that? >> That's a great question. I was thinking the same thing even like Creek Bomb Field or some place up around here. I've talked about a lot of things, but um the man sitting next to you kind of has to help as far as what I I looked at that I

076think we talked about two two different locations that was the thing is out of sight and out of mind isn't a bad thing when it's what it is. Um and the way that building's oriented and you can't see a lot of what's the ugly you can't see. It's it's it's well hidden. It's off the road. You put it in Craig Bomb Field. We're putting screening on the fence to hide. >> It's going to be a big beautiful brand new building. >> Yeah. Well, yeah. Right. >> That's right. >> And how many buses? >> Yeah. Parked out there. >> But but >> I don't mind showing those off. >> But Deb, your point's well taken. It >> doesn't mean that we need to relocate it at the same existing site. >> Right. So, if the board

077decides, hey, um, we would really like to do that in the future, but what we want you to do is bring us options of where it could be, >> right? >> Um, I think that's very realistic. I think it's smart thinking actually. Just because it's there now doesn't mean doesn't mean it has to be there in the future, >> right? >> And, um, Terry and I have had zero conversations about another location with that. So, um, yes, there would be my hesitation would be I don't want to buy any property because then that gets away from us, but it' be existing property that the school district already has. >> Okay. >> We can we can give you some options with that if that's what you so choose as a board to do, >> especially if

078it's going to be brand new. >> You know, we're not renovating a building. >> Exactly. Yeah. So, >> and as long as it could stay in place and be functional while that was happening, regardless of where that's happening, it seems like that would be >> viable. >> The the other thing is um when we look at the library and and what needs to be done there, my argument would be we are in a competitive environment right now. not only doing what's best for kids and making sure that they're happy, but if they're not happy, they have the right to go somewhere else. And we have to stay competitive. We have to create an u an attractive environment for kids where they learn not only to their best of their ability, but it's a nice place

079to live every day for nine months. And there's a lot of usability by changing that library area. away from that depressing. And I do remember what that looked like when it was first done. And it was very inviting and lots of light coming in there and kids conversing and by putting in the learning stations and the meeting areas. We're creating, as you said, Terry, the environment that kids are going to work in when they leave us. >> So, this is really tough, but if I were to prioritize, it'd be safety first. It would be the we've started the high school, let's just finish it and looking then into the future at what we can do with that bus garage area maybe in an alternative site that we have. >> Mrs. He's last still writing. >>

080Go ahead, Mr. Wall. >> I was So, I think I'm hearing a theme and I'm going to call out because it's the same thing I was thinking of is safety and security first. So, number one thing on my list is the secure vegetables. >> Um, I I can't believe we've gotten this far and taken care of it. >> Yeah. >> Um, I like Matt's comments about taking care of the buildings. So, the window receal, all that stuff, that's up there on the list, too. Um, I have a question because and I thought about it as I was sitting here thinking about it man's HVAC. Are we worried that it's where are we? How is that? Is it can we get a couple more years or is it something we Okay. >> Yeah, we had a

081couple small HVAC projects like that and none of them are detrimental. They're not like Salomony was. >> Okay. >> And is Yeah. So, we're open. And while it doesn't go with my children first, I'm really tired of hearing about Salmon's pool and I really just want to get that taken care of. It seems like the can that's been kicked around just as long as the high school and I think we need to deal with it. But what I want is I like Carrie's idea about trying to repurpose those locker rooms. So, if we do something and where we can maybe have a little bit more room or a little bit more dollar figure to be able to improve that, >> I would I like that idea. Um, nothing against adding another restroom, but why why

082wouldn't we just reuse or renovate something that we already got there and give them something nice to work with? Um, and I think I I kind of heard her say that maybe a couple of stalls would be better than just the one uh at a basketball game. And I haven't been to a basketball game there, which I need to I need to fix. Um, but that sounds like something that would be worthwhile conversation. So, I might think I'll build a little bit more um on that. Having worked at the old transportation building, I know that the need for that to be done, but I love Deb's comment about does it need to be there? Because I know at one point Mark Ricocham HQed said, "Can we have that area?" because they had a thought of

083having someone close to the airport to be able to use that. So to me that's prime ground that we should be talking with them and we do have other ground. >> Sure. >> That we could do something better with. Um problem is when I add all this up it doesn't come the the figures don't come all together. That's the problem. >> Yeah. That's really nice Ryan but you're way over 6 million. >> Well I know but here's the thing. What I what I should finish on that is >> it can't be done now. It needs to go into that next patch. >> Right. I'm I'm just teasing. >> I I you know with it, right? Um >> I'm really intrigued by the library, >> but what I would also like to hear and I again

084I don't know how we do this is I would love for Dr. Dots and some other thoughts about what all that space could be. I know we have some ideas, but I would love to hear from him and his staff what that could be. Um I know you have some great ideas, but I would really like to hear that. I really do like the idea of a tiered space. I was I know we got rid of it in the science area, but I liked that type of even if it's just like two tiers or three tiers and a place that someone could do some stuff. I think back to the choir competition if they could have a mini stage, >> right, >> like that that could be used for other things, but that type of

085space in that area would be fun. And again, that's blowing the budget all out of what he was thinking. I don't know how we're going to do it, but that's my thought process. And I I still think I need to run the numbers, but I I'm with Matt. Secure vest bills and taking care of the building, the resaling has got to be the primary things that we do and then how we kind of figure that out. So there, Carrie, have fun. >> This is time. >> All right. So yes, I think we're all in agreement that the vestable vestables and the resealing are like top priority. Um, I love the idea of the library. I spent so much time in the library in high school and it was just okay. But I was also I

086was a nerd and I liked to read and I still like to read. So that is just kind of like a warm welcoming space that you have presented and I think that that will encourage students even more in their learning. So, I I those would be be my top three. I like the idea of changing the pool of taking the pool off and changing those lockers, but I think that's going to need more time and maybe even a little bit more money than we have allotted. So, >> Mr. Carl, >> so I have some questions before I go any further on this on on the vestibules. Is that just one vested mule for each building or is there going to be two because it's uh are they are they like Crest View where they have

087doors on both sides? >> There's door on the back side but that's not how people enter the building. So it's at at door one in each building. So it's the same it's what I showed. It'll be just one wall. >> It'd be adding one wall. Okay. Yeah. >> Um that is my number one priority is the security. Um I'm with Matt on the building exterior next uh and the windows. Um as far as the transportation, I was looking at that and you've got 10 foot of fall from one side of that site to the other down to the the existing detention pond. Um any drainage issues you have out there should be able to be easily fixed. >> Okay. >> Um and I'd like to >> Hey, Aaron talking to your mic. >> Oh, sorry.

088I can't hear you. >> Sorry. Um the but the transportation site um I think a lot of that drainage could be fixed pretty easily since you have 10 foot of fall from one side to the other down to the detention basin that's there. Um and I'd love to sit there and kind of kick around some ideas on different ways to be able to save money from there to be able to put it into other stuff. Um, would it be pretty cheap on the IT stuff to be able just to get a ceiling in there to keep it cooler and then update other things later >> in the library space? >> Yeah. >> Um, right now the walls are the walls that only go to the ceiling. >> Mhm. >> So, we needed the walls to

089go all the way to the deck and we needed to isolate that space completely. >> Okay. >> So, we could be done. Um, but also they mounted a lot of equipment to that wall that needs to come down. Okay. >> So, it could be a little tricky about how to keep it all operating, >> right? >> But we we've done it before. So, Okay. But >> yeah, >> and I didn't know if if there was a a cheaper, easier way to do that because it's technical equipment. You want to keep it cool. So, I I get that. Um I love the idea of of the pool and keeping the locker rooms and repurposing them. Even if you don't do it right away, I um that's a space that you could cut the floor out of

090and very easily repl things and get it set up and not disturb anything that's going on. Uh the HVAC system would be next and that's >> and I put the libraries and the common areas last only because I think we're in a position in the school system where we're transitioning and changing a lot of things and with the technology side and the trades and everything that we're doing we if we do that right now and then we find it's something else we want to add to it in the next five years or whatever, it gives us a little bit of time to kind of look towards the future and see what programs we're bringing in and what other things we can help with. So, um that would that's my order. >> Thank you, Mr. Carl.

091Um I'm going to just echo a lot of the same things that were said. Uh I think the security of the buildings has to be first and foremost. we've um we can't take this that chance. Um the the cost is is something we can we can afford. Um uh I think the the windows again uh here I think are really important. Uh I was going to lean a little harder on horse man, but if we can wait a few years, I'm okay with that. Um if that was a problem, then we move I think right away. I I'm having a hard time envisioning exactly what the library uh could turn into. And and I guess I just wonder if the if as we talk about numbers and we try to get ourselves around the $6

092million number. Um are there ways to separate some things to make it work? Um everybody here I think is we're certainly sold on a couple of things I believe that are absolutes. Um, and I think we don't even need to have much debate after that, but that last half of that money, I think, is something that is, I think, up for us to talk about a little bit. Um, in particular, you know, how do we spend if we're going to, if we do the windows and we do the vestibules, we're, you know, we're two and a half million dollars in, so we have three and a half million bucks. That's a lot of money. Um, but it's is it enough to do to separate it out and feel pretty good about what way we spent

093it? I I think that's that's still some questions we need to figure out. >> Yeah. So, back of the map, back of the napkin math here is we do the windows, we do the vestibule, we do horse man, we do the pool, we do the windows, and we do the arena. That's 5,968,000 which could give some room if we need to do a little bit more at salimony and if there's something else if we think horse man that's 950 million 950,000 so it could be adjusted but one I I I still think that gives us a year because I just looked at Tyler's presentation I don't think we have I think we would have to start those conversations based on how he was displaying it. We'd have to start those conversations before winter of 26.

094I think we'd have to do something in winter of 26. So, that gives us two big ticket items to start having conversations about. And I think it gives time to talk about the media center and and come up with some ideas and then really get the staff and and and I I want the kids to be involved in that too, you know, let's let's see if we can improve that. Um, and maybe we don't take the full six. We maybe get what we need and we get some better numbers, but again, I I know some of that stuff is ballpark, you said, too. So, maybe we do need the full six, >> right? >> And do that. I >> I would just add that, you know, I've been on the board for a bit, Matt

095and I have, and the the cost of uh demolition of the pool is about four times what it was the first time we heard about it six, six years ago. >> And that's why I want it done. Uh, and it scares me to death to think we're going to wait. Um, even though it's not even close to being close to the top of my list. Um, but I just I fear for the the cost of that thing not getting cheaper. Um, I mean, we could sell like just swings of a sledgehammer or something like that, you know? Um, something. I'm thinking outside the box, but >> so >> I'd take a sw >> in that maintaining the buildings. Is there any like cocking up here that we knew that this building or any of the

096other buildings that we needed to think of? I know that we could maybe also include in that if we're truly thinking about >> Yeah, there there more buildings that uh can use it. Those are the worst. >> Okay. >> Rich told me which ones are worst at this point. >> Um and Crest View also has some sight drainage issues that need to be dealt with. The way the water runs off the building. Um, so there's other things that we can help >> could have as optionals if we if we find some savings and stuff. >> Okay. We're going to see how well I listened. Okay. So, we're going to work right off of Terry's chart here. Okay. And so, Cindy, between you and Terry, I'm trusting you to take fabulous notes here >> or go

097back and watch the recording. >> Okay. All right. Um, when I listen to this conversation and I hear everything that you're talking about, um, you know what my definition of compromise is? Is getting 85% of what you want and 15% of what you can live with. Okay. So, the challenge is take that home tonight and see if that works. Okay. So, it doesn't. Okay. So, the number one issue here is the second bullet point under option C, which is secure entry vestibules. that was consistent throughout the whole conversation. So, we start we start there. Okay. If I am if I'm kind of pulling all of your conversations together, then I slide up to option B and I do the high school window replacement. That's two. And I'm kind of looking around the table hoping I'm

098not offending anybody, but in general terms, this is what we're going to be talking about here. Thirdly, then what I what I'm hearing you um say to me, which I have just as a a little confusion here, but I think I understand. Um this um this is where I believe the salmon pool demolition has some real teeth to it here as a group because you're saying to me all it's happening is the escalation of price. Now this is all just what I'm hearing. And then what I'm also hearing then is is that we move down to the resealing the windows, the doors at the triplets, the uh control joints, etc., etc., etc. I hear that all clumped together. And then then if Terry's magical and can do his do his trick, do we have enough

099left at that point in time um to do the arena ceiling paint? Okay, I'm just I'm just talking in broad strokes here. Then what we would do sooner than later is we would begin the discussions on the high school library and a transportation building like pretty quick into the fall and then we would jump that relatively pretty quick. Am I in general terms because we're we all want we basically Terry's done a brilliant job. We want to do this right. This is what we want to do now. Now, it's just a timing and order. >> Yeah. >> Piece. And I think what we want is time to talk about that learning commons. And we want some time to really I think Deb um your point's just really well taken. Yeah, we need to do it,

100but we need to do it there. You know, I think this would give us time to flush out those two major projects when we look at the next series of things we want to do. So, I know a couple people want to talk. So, Deb, you've been patiently waiting and we'll go to Ryan. I just want to make sure I'm hearing all of you. >> I agree with everything that the thing I struggle with a little bit is the pool at salomony because there's no educational value there. That's the only thing and that's the reason nothing's been done so far, right? And that's why the can's been kicked down the road. But I do struggle with that. Um I somehow prefer, not that we don't need to do it, but I would prefer that we

101take areas that we're currently using. Okay. And we need to maintain a level of performance for >> because the way we can write this at the hearing, we can allow ourselves that flexibility >> if you hear what I'm saying. I tonight walking in, I didn't know if you were going to tell me learning commons and transportation and in of itself, okay, then we're we're basically done. But now, as we're preparing the legal documents, we still have some room in there to make some adjustments. But I I I more need I'm more concerned tonight about Okay, you're pointing me a direction. You're kind of pointing me this way. Okay. And John, we'd love to do we'd love to do these two major pieces, but not right now. I mean, that's really what you're what you're we

102want time to plan. We want time to get Russ and his staff involved. We want time to think about other locations. Then when we're working with Ice Miller and those other things on these on this bond, you've given me enough direction this evening about Terry and I can have these discussions and start figuring some of this out. I agree with you. Um I wish the pool was done, but what's I can't remember the cost. What do you estimate the cost being for the pool? >> It's 900 and something. >> It's not going to get any cheaper. It's just gonna it's going to keep going up and and that's what's tough about being on the board because that price is just going to continue to go up in in in cost. But am I I hope

103I'm hearing you all correctly and I'm kind of got my arms around general directions that you want to go. So, the only thing I was going to say is I think there's still room to do a Horseman because I think you're about a million light if with that list if you add Horseman in there. >> And then how I would reorder it is I probably would put Salomoney last even though I want it done. I think that's the last one that we do after we get everything after we get all the other ones done. >> Okay. >> Does that make sense? >> Yeah. Would you guys agree with what Ryan just said? I I'm seeing heads nod. Matt. >> Yeah. Say it again. So I think how you know all of that list I'd add

104Horseman to it but I would put Salomon at the end and then if none of the >> HVAC that probably be the second to last >> because we don't really need it but I I think we we can squeeze it in in this one and help them out. >> Um but those are probably the last two. >> SKU restaurant is number one. Everything else in the middle is kind of fuzzy. But I think in the grand scheme of things, that's the list. We work through that. Let's do let's do horseman if we can. And then if we still have the funds, we do that unless he comes to us and say, "Oh, well, we could add some more maintenance of a building to improve that." >> Um, but that's that would be my challenge. But

105I think we could write the legal document in such a way that would give us that flexibility to be able to do that. >> Okay. So, I think we're all in agreement that in the in the order when Terry and I are working through this, the order of that list, I'm just looking at faces here that ceremony would be the bottom of the list with horsemen above that. Is that what I'm hearing? And that's kind of what I'm hearing everybody say. Okay. The the other thing too to consider is if we decide to take off removing the restrooms off of that, it's also going to reduce the price of the demolition if it's only the pool area, >> right? You know, and and I'm not I'm not so much against it because I think I'm

106I'm in total agreement with you, Aaron. It would give us time to like the extra work we want to do with the learning commons and the transportation building. Quite frankly, that extra time figuring out ceremony would would be a plus for us. I mean, it really would be. And I think Erin, your point's really well taken is that that would give us time to sort through what we really want to do down there because it's more than just pulling off the pool. I mean, it it really is. We and we need some time to work through some of that. Okay. What have I missed? As you all know, you can call me at any point in time, but what this gives I think Terry, are you comfortable with the direction that they're pointing us? >>

107No, absolutely. Yeah, we're um >> is anything close to what you thought we would say. No, >> that's a great story. >> But I did such an excellent job presenting the little ones that uh Yeah, but I I agree with you. The the most important thing to the students. Um and if we knock the small stuff off, then we can go into the next bond really with some showcase projects. And I really like the idea of doing some, you know, indepth study with the staff and getting their opinion, getting the students opinion. >> Um, doing some research in that in that avenue to make it the best space that we want. >> Yeah. We've got to get it right. Yeah. >> And some field trips. >> Yes. >> And go see some existing spaces. And

108Right. Um, there are two gentlemen sitting at the table who have been incredibly quiet for an hour and a half. Uh, whose opinion I value at a very high level and trust? Um, Chuck, in two minutes, what do you think? What do you hear? Number one, I'm so proud when I hear in-depth conversation from our board and and our leaders here and of actual deep thought of what's best for the kids on the money that we have, what's best for our school and um Huntington should never take that for granted. This board is to be complimented and over and over again on your passion for how do we do the most for our kids with the money we have and it's well thought out. So, uh, I would add that, uh, many of your thoughts

109in my opinion, I always think safety and then I think the most number of children that can benefit is every decision I've ever made on those two things. Safety and then how many kids can benefit with the money we have. I would add that in the future, I would add a couple of other areas for your consideration, board. Um, I believe the fine arts area of the high school needs a facelift and needs attention for the second portion in the future. Uh, they do such a wonderful job and, uh, if you've been to some other new ones, Terry, I know you do. Um, they could use our our thoughts on those as well. I'm going to also say one up Aeron's alley that uh with the addition of uh our wrestling program and girls wrestling

110and uh with growing numbers uh in the 50s of our our men's wrestling program. That space needs to be looked at for proper space for those kids as well in the future. Uh appreciate your your thoughts today. I couldn't agree more with um 99% of what was said today. So, thank you, >> Jay. You know, we're about every student every day. Um, and so, again, I I agree the whole safety piece is so vital to our schools uh today. And so, securing those vest vestibules. Um, I like the idea of that renovation, that learning commons in the high school here. Uh, that's that intrigues me. Uh, because again, as you've all said and Chuck has said, you know, it's about our kids uh doing what's best for them, keeping them first and foremost. Um, so

111I'm I'm intrigued by what that would look like and that space as I saw those pictures. So, um, if I had my top two, those would be those would be mine. >> Mrs. Gray, do you have an opinion or do you want to not? >> Sure. >> Yeah. Um, I I always think safety first, too. I think that's the most important thing. Um, I I love the windows at the high school. I'll be real honest about that. But I love the natural light that comes in there and I'm always a fan of keeping windows, but keeping them safe and secure certainly is a high priority. Um, and then I I know I've been here with the board for a long time and I've seen the the cost of the demolition of the salmon pool and

112it does just continue to increase every time you get a quote. So, that's always out there. But, um, yeah, I support uh what everyone is talking about. Same thing. So, I think we have a a path. I think we have a direction. We can't vote on anything tonight because that's not the essence of a work session. But I really truly appreciate the dialogue and the conversation that we had. Um, I can't wait to speak to all of you privately, individually, and tell you I had my list made out before we came in here. Um and um it'll be a fascinating conversation to have with you um about that. Um but I think you're absolutely making the right decisions about pointing us down this direction. And so I I appreciate that and I'm grateful for all

113that. Tim, you got the last word. >> Uh thank you, Terry, for all your work. My goodness. Um didn't make our our decisions any easier, but probably made them harder. Uh, but it's so important that we have good information and can't ask for more. Pam, thank you back there for helping us out tonight. Good stuff. >> And we have HPD. Thank you so much for helping us out, too. >> Can I say one more thing? >> It's all you. >> Okay. We did not get to the second agenda item and so we'll push that down the road. Okay. Um, I'm not quite sure when because we have some important business coming up, but we will get to that and have a have a an open discussion, okay, about that about that process, too. So, that's

114not so timesensitive right now, but yet it's it's very important that we have that that discussion along the way. Terry, you're amazing. Um, you're the best in that I've worked with. I've done this a long time. You do incredible work. Um, and we're grateful for you. And I mean that. outstand outstanding. So, we just need to adjourn there. Then >> I'll take a motion to adjurnn. >> I didn't think we could vote, but I'll make it. >> Thank you, Mr. Wall.