001plug it. Great. >> Thanks. We'll pay you later. >> Meeting to order. Would you take please? >> Mrs. Butler here. Mrs. Donahghue here. Mrs. Tiplinger >> here. >> Mr. B >> here. >> Mrs. Leand to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> And then could I get a motion to adopt agenda? second. >> Any discussion? >> Mrs. Kiplinger. >> Yes. >> Mr. V. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Butler. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Donahghue. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Les F. >> Yes. >> Okay. Then we'll go on to the superintendent report. >> Okay. Thank you. um like to recommend that we approve the TA for article 12.01 for compensation with the Bethl Education 1400 best. >>
002So can I get a motion to um approve the tenative agreement on article 1201 compensation with the education support? >> I'll move. >> I'll second. Any discussion? Is there anything that you can share with the publics on that? >> Yeah, this is the same thing that we talked about. I Jenny can elaborate a little bit more as well. This you remember I said I talked to you all and said be to settle it. Um this was basically you know you given me the authority I think go up to like a 0.25 25 when we did we just issued the stipen which is the same but not longterm you won't elaborate about just the rest but just >> yeah and um the reason why we have it on the agenda tonight is pay periods in the
003district are the 10th and the 25th and so this TA stipulates that uh the payment is to be made by December 18th. So, uh, we wanted to make sure that this was teed up and ready to go for the next peg, get approved. So, that's why it's on the for tonight to meet that deadline. >> Yeah, that's why we stay within the parameters and other than that, I mean, looking forward to working with them. Um, negotiations took a lot longer than I thought they would have, but got there. Um, and here we are. Rest is just language, which, you know, will be good. something followed >> and the plan is to bring the the full agreement for ratification at either the next board meeting >> but there'll be no compensation nothing >> thank you any
004>> Mr. V? >> Yes >> Mrs. Butler yes Mrs. Donahghue yes Mrs. Kiplinger yes Mrs. less for it. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh update on facilities. So tonight, uh like to welcome everybody here. We've got Valerie from OCC. We've got Mark Mel and Pim from FMD. Got Bill Keith who's the developer at Creators Trails. And Jenny is going to start uh because Jenny has uh Jenny's going to go over the enrollment piece. We decided we do this first. she has to take off at 7 and if we're not quite done um that part will be explained. So I'll turn it over to uh Jenny. She'll talk about the enrollment. Then I'd like to turn it over to um FMD. Bill and Valerie, you can add anything. I don't know if you're going to have a
005presentation. Just fill it in >> when needed. Okay. So yeah, I want want to get that out there. I wanted uh you know, we've got some good things happening and moving forward. So I just want to have that conversation about you see direction and I will email this um presentation to you and I'll also put it on the board docs in case anybody wants to to see it or view it as well. Um so Jason if you go to the next slide. So tonight um what I want to do is there's basically three parts of this presentation. Can you talk about the analysis, what um what we looked at as far as the enrollment, what has been happening and then you know trying to project forward what do we think is going to occur in
006the district and then talk through the next steps because this is not the final step. This is one of the preliminary steps to get started. So what this um analysis will show you is that um the information that is being utilized for these projections is our cohort grade braid survival which kind of sounds weird like when we talk about survival but it's the the number of students that are retained retained from year to So, if they're in kindergarten this year, how many of those are going to be in first grade next year and so on. Um, we're also taking a look at the live birth data for our district from the Ohio Department of Health as well as our EMIS information. And so the information that is part of this analysis and projection is the
007most current FEMA data that we have for the district. And we're going to talk a little bit about that. Um so we're taking a look at the live births um the cohort survival and then we're looking at what has been happening what are those historic averages and which type of modeling should we use for the district and what is the most um relevant. So let's move into the analysis. So if we're look taking a look at what is the current enrollment of the district for Bethl currently right now this chart will show from kindergarten through 12th grade how many students we have. Um, there's also a column there that's going to show our career tech students, the students who are not sitting in a seat here every day, but they're still our students. Um, and
008so this is taking a look at total enrollment. And then if you take the students out that are being educated at the career tech center um each day, what is that headcount adjusted? And so the number for purposes of the analysis that we're looking at now, which we're trying to look at these buildings and how many students do we need to educate on a daily basis, that 1923 on the far right hand column is the number that we're looking at for this year. So now when we take a look at from going back to 2016 through last year, what has that total enrollment looked like? And you can see that um back in 2016 a little over a thousand students and last year it was just under 2,000 um total. And again, this is taking
009out those students that are being educated at career technical. We are over 2,000 students if you add those in. And you can see the percentage changes um from year to year there. The annual um change uh and we have seen quite a bit of change increases in this district. But if we go back to go back to the prior slide if you don't the number for this year forward to the following last year that's less. So lots of questions in my mind and in our minds um you know why did we see that decrease? We have been seeing continued increases from year to year. And so we're going to need to really dive into that data to find out why this year are we seeing a decrease in student enrollment and and that information is
010going to impact how we are projecting into the future. So the next slide. So this is talking more about that cohort survival data in um this is moving from 2017. Remember we started in 2016 so moving into 17 through next year projecting what is what has been that survival rate if you will. Um, you're going to see a lot of percentages here that are over 100%. Meaning we didn't just retain all the students, we added students each year. Um, but then again, in 2026, you'll see some reds there. You'll see some um less than 100%. I think the only two grades where we saw more than 100% for this year is in the eighth grade. No, the sixth grade >> and the 12th grade, every other grade level we saw a decrease in student enrollment.
011So it isn't just oh well our kindergarten class coming in was less. It is not that. And so there's some studying some further analysis that we need to do here. So then looking into 2027, what um what this analysis and projection is doing is it's taking a look at the past three years and what has that trend been and then projecting forward. We can move into the next page too. It's also taking a look at remember I talked about the live um birth rate as well. when we start looking at um projections. But here you can see that's what these percentages are is how many students are going to retain stay with us from year to year and what are those and then that those percentages will help us um arrive at our projected enrollment.
012You can go to the next slide and the next. So this and this is really small but um the projection for 2031 when we put in this year's actual enrollment we are looking at in 2031 a prediction of 2319 students. That's based on a three-year cohort um average as well as the live birth rate. So while that is additional students, it's not what we have been seeing, but it's an average increase um from next year through 31 of about 79 additional students. Now you can see there's if we took a look at the 7-year average, you would be looking more around the um student enrollment. That's a big difference. So, we really need to try to find out what's going on this year. I know I'm not repeating that. Okay. And then the next chart
013is just um that bar chart of what that total enrollment has looked like. Um and you can see going back through 2016 and what we've projected through 2031. And the next chart is showing um each one of those grade levels and what that change is that is predicted um for each year by grade through 2031. So you'll see some increases and some decreases. And then this chart shows you by grade level where we're at this year, which is um the blue. So the blue bar is showing what the um total number of students is this year. And then the orange bar is showing you, okay, this is what we're predicting in 2031. This is just another way of showing that and some people like to see it in a different way. So it's a different
014way of of showing the same information. And then the next steps we need to find out why did our enrollment decline this year is is you know are the students I know one of the things that we're looking at is um are more students enrolling in virtual schools than they have in the past. Um, I've got the this year and last year. Um, doesn't seem to have changed a lot from one year to the next. Um, but is there more information there that we need to dig into? >> The update once closes out, they update the information. I think some kids have moved out. I don't think kids are being as families are as big as they used to be. And we have a significant amount of homeschool. >> We also have students who are
015um have withdrawn to go um internationally overseas. So while they've withdrawn on our books, it's quite possibly possible that they'll come back and then they'll be part of the enrollment again. So we're just really trying to nail that information down. Um and then as far as our housing development data, this data does not um have the additional housing bills that we're going to be discussing tonight as well. So once we know more on that, we can layer that information in here as well. Um I guess what I want to say to you tonight is I have more questions than answers. Um we this is not a final product. As we learn more, as we know more, we can update it. We plan on updating it once one more time this year and doing it again
016next year. Um and then it is something that will complement the OFCC enrollment study. Um, and theirs will be I don't want to speak for you, but it will be a 10-year look. This is just a five-year look. And so, um, it is the beginning of our process. So, >> and Bill's going to provide and Bill's going to provide housing, which we didn't have before. So, provide that. >> Jenny, may I ask, can you clarify for everybody who we is in this case? Because when you speak of we as you're going through this report, I realize it's not being live streamed. So I just want to make sure that everybody's clear that we is the analysis prepared by the shared service. >> Yes. So the shared service alliance has prepared the analysis. But when I
017say we need to dig into it more, I'm speaking about the district bethl. Um and then yes, as we dig into it on a district level and we have more information, then the shared service alliance could can input that into the model and adjust the projection. Yes. >> Yeah. Thank you. I just >> No, that's good clarification. >> That might be helpful. Yes. >> Any other questions? Yep. So um uh are the military students ID like can you run a report and know who are all military students so you know so say PCS then that would make your numbers go up and down as well. It might be a lot more movement with a a military student than it would be your typical student. >> I Well, I know we're working on some information right
018now. Um, >> we're doing the impact >> the impact aid survey right now. So, um, >> there's there's ways to pull things out of EMIS. I don't know if there's a specific code with so >> because that will that will drive your numbers up and down probably more than you used to see because more people from the base are moving out this way and then that that could explain part of it and like Troy Christian can you does it tell you like if a student lives in this area they don't go to school here that they're enrolled at Troy Christian they >> um and then the years when you put the years on here is that as of like 31 August or is Is it at the end of the school year? When when do
019you capture the enrollment numbers? >> It's at the end of the year. >> End of year. >> Calendar. >> End of the school year. >> Yes. >> And then um was it because we didn't have the information yet from the developer why you wouldn't include the housing development numbers in this projection? So for the first preliminary look um a lot of times it's not added in there but it's also an evolving thing here and yeah we just did not have all the information that we can update it for that because that's going to make a date if it's too late >> and then um and then and then this will all feed into the master facility plan right so is there a way can we get like a like a I don't want to doing
020a lot of work. But is there a way to get like a Gant chart or something that kind of takes us through this whole process of what to expect in this time finding this time frame and how we move along? >> Yeah, that >> is that mean along the process. Yeah. >> Is that you will see Gant charts you will see >> create some Gant charts. >> Yes. And then your answer. >> Well, and oh, and then um so your slide deck is a little bit different than the original one, right? >> That is correct. So the reason why it changed is because we input the actual the updated information from the student involvement. We wanted to make it as a little >> Oh, right. Because I had a question on the side, but I
021don't think that you show that one. So I just want to take >> which broke it down. So >> yes, >> because Still an increase but >> still an increase but it's not what what actual is today. >> Um >> okay. So who would like to go next? Bill, you want to talk a little bit or Tim? Bill, they're pointing to you. Bill come on up. Uh my name is Bill Keeler. I am the developer of Heritage Trails which um is a large part of the uh subject that we're we're centered on. Um I think um maybe to answer your question on the slowdown with the enrollment, we have not developed a lot in carriage trails the last two years. So that would probably be some of the influence why you have not seen any
022uh addition to the uh enrollment. Um we're currently developing a 121 lot phase right now and what we do we project out over 15 years to be development. So we have a projected out to 2040 when we finish there's roughly around 1,480 units and of that probably maybe 40% are straight single family that um I would say would influence your uh district more with the students than the other product line or senior living uh we call them lifestyle more patio homes and then we've got some detached uh multifamily property. So, a lot of times it's hard to determine what our uh what it looks like at the end when we are out for 10 years on the project project. So, what I would suggest and I've done this in the past that we have either
023semianual or yearly reviews with me so I can go over what our product is looks like. We look at the economy um you know we adjust that accordingly like I said I've been in the project for 14 years right now another 10 that's a total of 25 years in in in one development that's a long time so with if we do that you know I can go over each type of product when I design a phase it usually takes about four months construction four months four months to build so you have about a year kind of planning process so We're always planning out in the future just trying to guess what we're doing to the best of our knowledge and you know I've worked with Natalie a bunch over the years and Julie sitting back
024there and and tried to be completely transparent of what we have bringing online. So I think as we move forward that would be some of the you know I would encourage more uh positive feedback where we aren't uh fighting progress where we're working together to um you know may not be the best thing for everybody but if we're giving our best effort to work forward so we know what size our phases is and the pace that's what I can give you and I can you know show what we're putting on the line and how quick they're going to come about. So >> that's what I have there. And you know, we projected out like this year we have 121 lots developed. Um zero lots closed. We project we'll close like 50 lots next year. So
025it might be 50 50 homes. >> Those single family. >> Those will be single family homes. >> Um Ryan Fischer will have a model and and and you know that number could be 70. It could be 40. I just do my best guess on that. maybe at the end of the year or semi and I give you guys a report to where I see it coming that way and you know I I get real time information from the builders. So that's something I can really I think help you out and so you you can plan forward that way and I I like doing it. I like sharing all this and said before I had four kids in the school system and I understand what the impact we put on and the strain we put on
026the schools. I I understand that and you know I would love to get my effort helping the school out versus kind of fighting through development and I felt for the last two years all we doing was fighting we spent over a half million dollars fighting that I would have loved to just give to the school and we sent it to attorneys and wasted money out there and you know it hurts because I'd rather you know give to facilities or do something like that and you know we can't turn the clock back all we can do is move forward and I can be here, you give me a week's notice, I can be here to talk and and do whatever I can to at least give you all the information that you guys need to make
027educated decisions. If you have any questions for me, I can answer anything here if you I'm I'm good for writing. Yeah. >> Are we gonna Our facilities committee came tonight. Are we going to allow any questions from them if they have specifics? Is that okay as the time comes up since they a lot of money items? No. Do you want them to fill out a paper or >> I just want to ask if they have questions or Damon or Todd, do you guys have any questions for the facilities committee questions? >> Do you have a question for Mr. Ke? >> Yes, I do. >> So, um, you said 50 to 100 months next year. Do you know have a time frame of when those will start happening and you know people will be moving in
028to give us a timeline of when the kids will start showing up at school? Yeah, we've uh we've put 121 lot phase in and we haven't sold one lot. So, I can't um comment on when those will come in. Hopefully, it'll start to close in here in January and I think some are specks. I'm not sure how many best guess. I know time in come in summer so they start rolling I don't know exact those I'll know better in four months four months time we give you know we do give out periodic updates to you guys and I know over time it's been a hard as we develop all a sudden you get a bunch of calls in August or in July and and you aren't ready for the students so That's >> but in
029theory you're talking we're still talking a year. I mean they with an agreement they can move in district you houses 5 but still >> our sales generally they tie up with school enrollment we don't get as much homes closing in November December as we do in the summer that way when people tend to move people. Those are the information I can share with you that you can make uh you know better decisions on that. Now on Julie's part of this and I should add that um that the township and I think Huber heights are working on a moratorum and you know if that goes through and I think it will that in my opinion have where you guys will be um you know in total enrollment that's a 20-year moratorum and and all north of
03040 and there isn't really that much land to develop south of south of 40. for some pockets, but I don't see in this really any high density uh developments. I don't know if I'm saying this right or not. You know better than than I do. >> No, it's not a done deal yet. >> So, so can I just follow up with that? So, um during the carriage trails 1.0 payday, we got like 120 to 130 students a year. So, do you see this? You said it was 121 lot phase. Do you see that continuing? You you said you had a 15-year plan. But if you did 121 lots a year, it wouldn't take 15 years. Do you do you expect 120 every year? >> 121 this year, 50 next year, 50 50 54 100. You
031know, I just do my best guess out of that. So it's a big phase because it's um uh some of the construction constraints. We have to do a bigger phase attention. So it's a little larger we like to do. That's probably more inventory than we need. >> So can you read those numbers again? Sorry. 15 50 >> I had 121 50 next year 15 and 27 15 and 28 54 29 120 30 through the end of the development number like some few more units in there that's what we projected on then we project when we sell them and our inventory and then when homes But it's really unexposed when >> Thank you for coming and sharing this information with us. Um you had mentioned that we could start more communicating back and forth. Are there
032certain times of the year that are best to reach out to you according to the like your four month phasing area? Like should it be a spring? Should we reach out and then mid year or fall? Is there a a good time when we should be reaching out to get some information? >> For me, it's anytime, but you're asking when a good time development when we're making better decisions. um this time of year of course you know this is the best time because we're planning for next year say probably a mid and that that June and I'll have a better feel what homes are closing that maybe affect the district for the moveins >> so leisel two time >> but I just say that like you know I really don't mind and I encourage more
033and so if something's you know comes out of your meetings I'm not here just you have a representative reach out to me and I'll do my best to respond or come and speak I don't like um you know this setting I've been here before where people have been yelling at me and it's just not productive in the auditorium so I have to watch >> we're trying >> um >> you know somebody want to tax different people different rates and I might just not appropriate to talk that way. And you know, we try to treat every people the same. And so I just watch that it's a productive meeting and not grill the developer. >> Well, we want to get this right. I want to get this right. So when you say um single family, does
034that mean like a three to fourbedroom home or could it vary? And I'm asking because it's kind of two-part because I also wanted to squatchch some rumors because there's rumors going around that a lot of the homes might be sevenbedroom. And so, you know, typically in these days, you assume it's a three to four bedroomedroom is a a typical size home for a typical size family, but if you are truly in fact building seven bedroom homes, maybe you're anticipating bigger families. >> I haven't heard any seven bedrooms, but we do not allow auxiliary dwelling units because we said we do not want them. So that limits you how much house you can put on one lot and lots aren't real big. So that also limits the size of the home, but generally that three to
035four bedroomedroom and a lot of the four have an office is one of them. That's kind of the sweet spot I see. >> Right. Okay. So that is typical. And then so that 40% you planning on single family. Um is is that a flexible number or >> Yes. So it could go up to 50 or could go down to 30 if or would it always go up do you think or >> Yeah, I mean that it could go up um or down accordingly that you can our acreage is 300 acres so you can only put so much single family on. So you need some attached product. Um you know I know uh we had Danbury senior living it was 100 independent facility 100 units. So that was if something comes like that again that market's
036a little saturated. We love having that in it doesn't impact the schools. Good taxes. It's nice for the development. So you know I would do that for sure. >> Okay. And then um detached multifamily or is that apartments? Is that what that means? >> Um there's um it can be. Yeah, it can be. Um there's some neat products that are is six, eight units out there. So that could be that level to your cond. I know Fischer's got a real nice that we're looking at um on that, but I haven't made any decisions right now. We've only designed the single family. And then um another rumor going around is all these will be 500,000 starting price homes. Is that still accurate, do you think, or >> Yeah, I mean it's it's it's crazy how um
037was telling earlier the average first-time home buyer is 40 years old now. Just that's a sad part. Um, our development costs are so high and what we're selling the lots to the builders and um, you know, I I'm sure the builders are advertised in the in the 300s, but when you end the day, they'll be probably mid fours and up. I would see on that. That's something I don't I don't decide that that end value, but I know what we sell lots for. you know, the cost to build and it's crazy how expensive it is right now, >> right? And that's why we're thinking that, you know, Carshells one was a little bit less price, but that was years ago, too. And then that drove a whole bunch of elementary kids, but if you're starting
038at a half million dollar home, one would probably assume or or might think that we're going to get older families in here. And if they if they're older families, then they might be the middle school high school range versus the elementary. So that's fantastic. >> I think whatever. >> Yeah, it seems like you would think that. That's But it seems like the young kids keep coming and somehow they're finding the money for those bigger homes. I I don't I can't explain it. >> So that might not be a true assumption then, right? Even the military which has usually become useless, >> right? But it's the older ones will have a higher age rate and stuff. my kids, there's a real >> the push for the apartments because people can't the young generation can't afford the
039uh the mortgage. So, that's a balance in there and that's, you know, why this apartments are real successful right now. And I don't know how many will you guys see coming the district out of the apartments with the rate. I don't think it's as much as you know the carriage trail is a water stone and there's another apartment project when we don't control um we'd have another site that we're looking at doing some apartments on but you we try to attract the young professionals that aren't um having children in the district that are working military or you know we get a strong presence the military in the apartments. >> Um, and then another, well, maybe not even a rumor, but has been going back and forth about green space, and I know Huber Heights wants
040a park, but then they've also heard that we were going to donate land school. There's some talk about putting school over there. Is is all that over or worked out or can you talk about that a little bit? We have land set aside, so we've got it set aside. You know, I don't um I try not to get too in the weeds of Bethl and Huber Heights and that's conflicts going been going on longer than I've been around, I think. And so, but we have the land set aside in the open space. So, whatever the resolve is, you know, we'll support it either way. How many acres? 18. >> Um, yeah. >> Total. >> How many >> total? 18 total. >> Or is that just set aside for a school? >> At the most, right?
041Is it schools? >> Yeah. You have the bigger the school, the more acres. >> Yeah. and I tried it 10 years ago said aside for a school and nobody wanted at that time you know went through all that because you guys want to centralize campus I think the question that Jackie is asking I hear once too you and I have a discussion u you know what is that green space or you know so you will we talked about LFIS you know stadium kind of things too stuff. I think you know like I said you and I have started conversations I got here a little bit after I got here and you know you've always call so but I don't know what your intention was. I don't know what was told before I got here. Um
042you could elaborate on that. I don't I don't know if you told anybody anything before I got here like as far as what you wanted to do or what you're willing to do. We we provide 20% open space and you know what we do within it you know where doesn't you want to benefit the community and the community likes more parks then you know they just like the walkability and I think we have like 24 miles of sidewalks in there now so a lot of sidewalk and a lot of paths but they seem to like the open space better than the school but it goes back and forth and and the schools they take so long. So we build out before the school gets in there but with the powers to be decide on that
043kept the land set aside and designed that way. So but I think I think you guys still want the centralized campus up in the air. Most of them will have open space and play area, soccer fields, that type of and it's hard when you put more more in there. We have to charge the customers, the residents more than their HOA dues go up and every little $10 they get upset with. um just it's a balance and big thing with the subdivision is it appreciates every year and that's something I feel really good about because the homes are everyone's doing the biggest investments and whatever we're doing the homes are going up in value every year which ultimately generates more tax dollars more money coming in but you know makes for a nicer uh nicer community
044in people's life investment was going up instead of down. We took it over. It was it was it was in the dumps. She ride through there through the holidays, see the lights and trick or treat night, you know, various things like that. And Jackie told me you used to go there. You used to go to stuff like that. >> You weren't liking the development, but you were going in for the trick or treat and stuff. and good old >> and you know the type of development's not for everyone. You know, I live on a small lot. You know, just not everyone likes small lots, but there are a lot of lot of young generation out there. They they do like it and they do like the neighborhood. You know, I understand the ru of Bethl
045and you know the impact that this is put on and hopefully, you know, with the moratorum if that goes through that you guys can preserve north of 40 and kind of keep that south of 40 that way. So to circle back to that green space and scotch the rumors, um at one time I I think that the rumor was that perhaps maybe you would donate or give or whatever word you would use for that green space if we wanted to build a school. But if we chose to keep a single campus, is there still some sort of help maybe that we could get from you if we as we develop our master plan, if something comes up where we might need a little extra funding or something like that? Is that something on the table
046too that we could reach out for? >> Yeah, I'll certainly, you know, look, if we >> Yes, I I will look at it. I mean, we've had with the setbacks, it's been very very tough on us, the delay. you know, we not your guys issue, but we closed on the land and we've been sitting there for a long time on that and you know, go on with the amount of money we spent where I could have given it other places and then, you know, make sure air stand on end a little bit and so we're still working through all that. Like I we haven't closed one lot. So we haven't made a dime. And when you develop, we make our money on the last 20% of the development. So So people don't understand a lot
047of time we don't make it or the bank takes it and the land and development costs. And so um you if we live long enough, I'll make some money at the end, but that's that's the goal. and and we will make money at the end, but so it's a more of a cash flow issue of what we can do and you guys are constrained early on and so are we and so that's that's the hard thing in there of how we how we get there. >> Okay. So you could could you make that like a youth sports complex about the green >> the green space if we didn't put park school on it would you put a youth sports >> youth um >> baseball soccer fields walking paths >> yeah I mean we would put
048the soccer fields or that's a low impact that's in the EC >> basketball court is a big thing now >> I mean you know that would be really uh a useful thing. Would that be something you'd be willing to look at? >> Yeah, I mean we all we would look at all that. I mean there's there's some um the city of Huber Heights and the township went back and forth. So we don't have the final say in in space. You know, we just are donating it and so we don't have that final. But you know, all that helps the community. I mean, the pickle balls, it's great right now. I pulled my calf the other day playing. You're not supposed to move that much on it. So, >> and then you have to watch some
049of the amenities and the kids destroy them, too. And once the lights go out, it gets, you know, the amount of graffiti we get in our tunnels and just it's really sad when you get that. So, we balance that. wants the big playgrounds, but the playgrounds turn into a hangout at night and we don't have the police to watch it at night and you know that's so we balance that >> sad state of parents. >> Sad. >> We used to play it playground at night and we didn't you know destroy it and tag it. My dad would have >> I mean that would be really benefit >> especially like practice space and stuff >> but it wouldn't be any hard facilities right you're thinking just soccer field maybe ball diamonds that kind of kind of
050sporting >> yeah I mean it's a it's a school I know there we'll put more into a a park setting thing I think and that's where everybody can benefit come up to 40 where know farm was that it's a good access point and tile it in so you know some of a passive entrance there so we can have everyone to come and and use it um you know that's what we like >> and then um the other one was that you'd put uh seven homes per acre but if you've already broken down the 148 80 units by percentage of single family senior living and so on so forth. It doesn't really matter to us, right? I mean that doesn't affect us how many you squeeze on. >> We're zoned for five units to an acre.
051>> Oh, okay. >> So the seven is not. So it comes into more 296 acres. So it's like 1480 and you know we get about probably average three units to an acre for straight single family. So when I start trying to attach product and different types of and we're trying to get affordability that it just it's why we do it. So but it's challenging so the younger generation can afford it or spend a 40y old 30-year-old to be a provider 28. Thank you. Question just have one more if you have one. You mentioned the current plan. I know it can change. You said 40% single family. Then you mentioned single senior living petting home attached multi multif family. Can do you have percentages for what you think the total buildout's going to be on those?
052>> I gota watch because every time I tell you something you twist. So twisted everything you said. I got to watch like I say in this and so we're just doing our best projections the number >> but the last time I met you twisted all around so I really got to watch what you say what you write down seriously you switch these around a lot it's hard to be completely transparent with you and switch everything around I say I'm glad everyone's here to listen >> anybody who knows me knows if you give me the numbers. Those are the numbers I carry on. I don't change them. Not working something else. So, you don't have I'm just asking. >> I'm making my best guess. So, I totally I don't know the exact meet with everyone twice
053a year. I'll meet in a setting and you can come listen. >> Okay. Perfect. >> But I'm not going to meet you like you did before oneonone. I'm not going to do >> Okay. I have one clarifying question. So you mentioned earlier uh the 121 you know that that's single family and then you went through the 50 50 100 that's adding up to the total units that's not all single family >> correct correct >> yeah because I was asking yeah I was wondering if the breakdown of that right is it retirement for the single family >> I mean if if if it was all if we had a demand for all retirement We just do all all the time really. And the patio homes are are big um without a basement um a little more
054affordable and they cater to the older generation and nice ranches and had a lot of success. So the first phase is not that. So for as far as kids are concerned, you're just looking at that 40% around the same family homes and the other ones are typically those other people. >> But as time goes on, we can update >> like in let's talk in June. I know you have to plan a school out. But I'll know a little better because we start playing out the extra phase and you know we're we have to work around sewer a lot of times and sanitary what we put in with that. Thank you again for answering questions. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Thanks for coming over. >> Maybe a little wider streets. >> Yes.
055See if you can get a bus down. >> On behalf of the bus drivers, thank you very much. >> A bus be able to get through without street >> illegal. Yeah. Yeah. That'd make it a lot easier to get together, wouldn't you? >> Yeah. Wouldn't have to say everybody's free event. >> Thanks, guys. >> Working the right direction for Yeah. Be really good. also have Mark Moore Freedman with us as well. So the focus of want to speak about this evening previously we talked about there's various routes the district can go but without hard data and information were wandering aimlessly basically. So at the last meeting we had talked about let's gather the data. So go to the next slide. So the focus so related goals we wanted to set the stage and go down
056this path to how do we acquire that data. Uh one is re-engaging with the Ohio facilities construction commission also known as the OFCC. Uh through that we've started the process of working to get new and student enrollments that was referred to earlier which is ongoing and Valerie can speak to that uh shortly. We've also confirmed the following that the state and local split that 80% the state and the 20% local you are locked into that no change. It's a it's a great position to be. Also, we've confirmed uh from the previous ELP credit which is in kind of Beth I'll say Bethl's pot. It's it's not being taken away. You're not losing it through any of this process that we're engaging with the OFCC. It's approximately 23,65516. So again, starting to gather data re-engagement with
057the OFCC has been big. the new student enrollment projections as we heard from the report uh the report that was completed in the fall the preliminary numbers we're getting feel so it's getting a sense of where we are but we want to confirm it and do our due diligence not only with this report but the report that we ultimately get from the OMCC and that's the the reference there about the other work being created once we have this information we're going to dive into it same way uh Jenny just noted for uh the shared services alliance. This is going to help start uh kind of removing the fog and questions, the gray areas that we might have where we can say, "Okay, it's a it's black and white. We have to go down this path.
058We have to go down this path." We'll go down them, see what's the best solution for Bethl, and then make that determination. Do not when it was discussed last week too. We don't want to make just careless judgments say okay this is what we're going to decide. It's all going to be based upon facts that we're given because it's the best help forward the war. Uh so this is just again the uh I wasn't sure Jenny when you were going to speak so I wanted to have this in here as well. Yeah. >> Again it speaks to the steady growth even though there's the kind of the loss of students for this year. Even going back to like 2020 2021 we're a little bit of a plateau. move in 2016 to kind of 2017. It's
059still steady growth, still steady increase that we have to get ahead and be on the right page for as we move forward. We do not want to create whatever the path is, we don't want to create another thing that happened where you have an elementary school that open and immediately on that opening day it was it was too small. That's not what we want. So with the data we get and this is just an example chart and among many charts that we'll get from the OFC. We're get even more data from them once we get those. So the goal is we'll have these different paths. You can see at the top there 450 students 800 students again just an example for Bethl. These are just different things. But like I mentioned, data we get from
060student enrollment, we'll get an understanding of is it a new high school? Is it a new middle school? is in addition to the elementary school that is what we're going to get pathwise you mentioned from the OFCC and that understanding of if if Bethl does option AEL does option B based on the historical and projections you'll get those paths the OFCC will coordinate with them to ultimately um kind of bring them to life as well so you you'll not only get the data like this, but we'll work on master planning. What does a new high school, what does new middle school look like? Again, not saying those for the path you're going now, but those options. We don't want to just rely on numbers to make a determination, but also what that does for the
061site, what it does for future expansions of buildings, what's the site circulation, what does it do for athletics, things like that. Talking about new fieldhouse, the last you want to do is put new building or new planning in or parking where it's something that you know you're going to demo in 10 years to add on to it. All of this master planning needs to go down the right path so you're always moving forward. You're never taking a step back to go forward. That's part of the considerations. We wanted to include this one as a just a reminder what you do have. So I'm going to walk up over here. Hopefully I'm on camera all that. Uh so you have a total of 168.96 acres. Uh a large contingent of that is here at 125 acres.
062Little small area here that leads out to the road at 19. A little kind of path over there at four. and then two at the 10. Anything that could be done for expansion, we can take that into consideration. This is a uh from the assessor parcel map, so it's a little older. It was during construction, now it's ongoing. Uh but you have large swats of land to the west for standalone structure if needed that could be off to the side and not impact the stadium. These are the things that we want to start moving forward with once we have the implementation of the OXC the updated numbers. We are going to put conceptual master plans together showing how this entire site can be developed over the years through projects these two different sites possibly. >>
063So of the areas that we could still build on is 125 plus 19 acres. Is that right? Well, you have this is the majority just because it's cleared land in that area. Um there is other areas uh but you'd be taking down trees and things like that. We would look at the most cost effective route forward using that utilizing that open land rather than the same road trees. >> But that open land is that 125 acres. >> Yes. Yes. Most definitely. >> Yeah. opinion and the 19 too. >> It's it's not this this is uh another owner but up into this line and to the west all of this is yours >> to the 19. >> Yeah. Part of that's an hour or so. >> Yeah. We would we would stay over that. you you
064have that coming through that you've kind of >> stayed away from your other construction. You do the same in an investigation. So you're looking more in this area or expansion off of your elementary too which is possible from what we've seen. You can continue. So next steps again coordinating with the OFCC finalizing their student enrollment projection preparison. We didn't want to just go out to one vendor one company for this. We want comparison information and that fiveyear projection versus 10. It's just only going to give us that much more information. Dean creates multiple options for pass forward based upon student enrollment projections. Like I just noted, it would be data in numbers showing size, square feet of building, how many students would be in there, faculty, admin, but we'd also marry that with the master
065plan and showing how that specific building, how that new building, how that new addition, all of that would play into that master. I mean that's leads into the next item. So the master planning is not only for academics but athletic upgrades. We'd love to be a part of that at the last uh meeting I attended. We have programmatic information on what's needed for athletic facilities and fieldhouse. Um so we can move on forward on that independently or parallel the academic groups as well. And then reviewing these options with the school district, including the educational impacts. If it's an addition, if it's a new bill, how does that impact circulation site? How can we prep ahead of time for better circulation as we're moving forward with various options? Uh if it's renovation, addition, just maybe soothing
066some shift. So overall that's pretty much it. Maybe uh I think the main discussion tonight was speak about the data what we've received so far. uh great information as well for just again condition 4% knowing that the numbers of what's forthcoming all that's being taken in consideration I'm sure by everybody involved I think which I'm going to pitch to in just a second any questions for me >> I'm sorry I know u you had planned a timeline line. Um um is there any some of for the next steps? >> Is that the like chronological order? Um or kind of all at the same time and >> how soon will the next again >> the Gant chart I'm talking about? Yeah. >> We want to get that together based upon now that we have data here
067and I will invite Valerie up to speak about >> the her own student enrollment projections. So once we have that information uh I think we'll move quickly into understanding okay these are the final numbers how do they compare uh we'd have probably have a meeting on that just for everybody's knowledge just downloading to everybody so everybody understands as an option to ask those questions and then we would move immediately with the OFCC create those paths forward so this winter and spring is going to be a big push get those paths forward. >> I have a question. >> So, um, as part of the master facility plan, is grading configuration part of your data collection? Like like does the superintendent need to determine wait like we we used to have a K through five, but now
068we have a um 5, six and a seven, eight, and then like that. Is that all part of the plan? Was in >> Yeah. And so with the commission's enrollment projections, I will say we got the data in from the district. It's been drafted by our consultant. It goes through an internal process by our team first, but I would expect it hope this week to come out to you guys. Um, it is a 10-year production with a lot of the same cohort survival, birth rates. Uh I think sometimes it's a three or four year average, sometimes it's a little bit high just depending on kind of where that data trends and our consultancy years of doing this. Uh but that will come out and I would say we're sometimes more a little more conservative than
069some and we tend to be in the moderate to moderate range I would say. Um, so I would say it's probably not going to be exactly, you know, matching up, but it should be it'll be relatively close with maybe us hitting the 2,300 a year or two later versus the current projection you guys have. But I say it's a projection for today and if we do a project today and then another project in 5 years, we reevaluate the projection again about last time. So if you continue to grow the houses come in and start showing up on the enrollment and you don't have the dip either this year in another 5 years if you rebounded and are back to where you were before we'll see that with the next projection. So I would say it's
070it wouldn't be the last time we looked at it. So if it's not matching perfectly or if you want to build the extra to match what you're projecting there's other things we work through um during the planning process. But you know eventually the district would happen accept ours for at least be able to move forward but say it would get reevaluated again at that phase I would say once they come out if this wasn't submitted which probably wasn't already yet maybe I would send along the data as well to see if you want to or look at the numbers and see how they align or similar or not. But future think will always take other reports and kind of look at those fixes on which you know three year 7 whatever was utilized in the
071other consultants or if they don't mind sharing it and then kind of or make sure they have you know comparing the same data as far as number of rates all that kind of stuff too so that we're not missing something. Um and then yeah when it comes to once we know ours breaks it out K through 12 um it takes out the career center um students are not here and then the grade configuration is greatly big component because for our master plan K5 is a certain square footage per student 6 through8 is another one and then 9 through 12 is another one so we need to know how those are going to be bound into one building what exist existing buildings new buildings I mean where were they um and so That's always an important
072thing to think about when now you're starting right now or it's maybe even a transition over years because depending on what you do your master plan may we'll address all K through 12 students but we may only may attack just the 9th through 12 but we still have to put the K through students somewhere at least on paper within the plan. So um we got to kind of put them all somewhere in the map and then we may only build a part of it this time and then another part next time. But yeah, we can look at it holistically first before you divide it up. >> How how soon can the master plan discussions take place once that student enrollments? So I mean as soon as I get the as soon as I'll be on
073as soon as the draft goes out for the shirt it also gets put into our tool and so we can even run plans on the draft but then definitely once they're um final or you just want to see how it the draft works um it I would say it doesn't take very long with a small team of planners including myself that would give us you know a handful of different scenarios and I was especially addressing the current building because that will be part of it again Here's longterm. This 2017 edition is what's going to stay, you know, longterm. The other portions are somewhere in between this and the far end. Um, again, long term, it may show it as demolishing everything up until the 2017 edition or 1999 edition. Um, we kind of pulled this
074into, but you don't think I should do all that at the same time. So, they could do that. We build something new over here. long term parts of this go away but um where the current segment it seems as is and you keeping especially if there's a chance for more growth there could be a little bit of swing space between now the next phase but but yeah I would say as soon as you start giving us options of existing facilities and what you want to build out so maybe there's like a reconciliation during the month of December on just the numbers and the student rejections that we're getting your information later this week. >> Yeah, >> we'll kind of work from marry those together and probably going into January start digging into those master planning.
075>> Yep. Yeah. And um like I said, we the delayed tool works. It doesn't I would say it's probably not 30 options, but I would say five 10 options. Um we look main running and then kind of do the comparison and then you know explaining how that I think last time I explained how the LCAP credit works but just we showing with with the current numbers and then we will have a cost up like the April timeline that gives us a 2026 number. Currently our finance doesn't think it's going to be too big of a inflation factor. It's been relatively steady. >> April or something. >> April. Yeah, that's our typical um set in OSBN or design manual updates since April. So, and that will be effective April 26, >> right? >> into April 27th.
076Pretty good. And so with the goal like you know with the goal of having a master plan say for our July commission um to be able to move on to the next portions you know we're looking backwards of probably having a plan early April around the time they do set so the next four months really out different options. time works out getting that the data >> December, January, April. >> Yeah. >> I mean, got it. >> Yeah. As we see in place number come out, you know, as soon as we have it, we'll let you guys know, but it's usually end of March, early April, we'll have a number. It doesn't get officially approved till April commission meeting, but we'll have it sent by then. We can let you guys know. Okay. So, 3% 4%
077probably less than 5% but they haven't much inflation on us no big for us and for you guys not >> um and at the same time yeah we'll have our money and what we can build and then yeah any of these other locally funded um if it's outside of our program you have more time to figure that out you would have in some new you know start projects or issues our excuses or whatever for selecting the consultant we do that work but we won't identify you know athletics out of our but you have a little more time to think about that and how you want to bring that money that's outside of the coated project budget >> great >> so the path we set months ago during these meetings is moving forward data is coming
078analyze. Yeah, quickly. We're analyzing it and then swiftly moving forward into the master plans, getting those paths together and figuring out strategy wise what's the best, what makes the most sense forward. Yeah. Thank you. Because obviously keeping track of that to know, you know, how does that align with with the um community bills that are going to be coming, you know, those need to be aligned so that we are at least keeping step and we really need to be ahead. And you know, for the last year, we we felt that we're behind. So, we just need to know um yeah, that we've we can make up some of the ground perhaps and pull everything to the left and that would be to everybody's advantage. That's that's why I was asking just to see if that
079aligns with some of the um housing projections when those will be coming down the pipes. >> So, is there still an open agreement that we have from the Khive project? And I'm asking because during the and you can help me with this question, but the in the facility committee meetings they were talking about like we can't use the gym, we can't make it into um educational space. We could use it as a storage or anything like that, but there's certain restrictions that has been coming up and and it's >> I think we can use all of it >> as long as we're still building, >> you know, depends on how it turns up in the plan um and how it's attached or not attached to the new construction. Um we do a lot of districts
080that retain a gym or an auditorium or um different amenities like that for additional use. Um it's not part if it's not part of the project and sort of outside and that's where it comes down to draw demo line where line with the existing facilities. Um there are ways to retain some of the extra areas especially if we build something out there detached far away. It's where you build next to building back back to it that you said you're going to demolish that then come. >> Um >> it's a future segment. >> Yeah. >> Uh but yeah, I mean there there are different options or yeah it's used for the district for other purposes. um districts retain especially let's say you have like a 1920s old building that they can retain for the board office
081or a um early childhood center that because we only fund special needs preks and boards or the early childhood district buildings for that and never have enough gyms it seems like so um >> those often stay behind if it's a lot of times it's easy didn't build everything around it cuz it really comes down to utilities and whether or not you can maintain that gym after everything else goes down um and whether it's cost beneath that gym but yeah I mean there's things you can work through and talk to but yeah there are ways to retain portions of building that separate athletics or especially athletics are we we co-un so much of of gym and locker rooms But even beyond that there's more need for all five elect that's the mark line is how that
082works for the existing building cutting out to utilities where it's being served from or is it being fed somewhere else back All that will be taken in consideration with these master plan and the exhibit that you put together. >> Yeah. And then especially if it's stuff that's going to sort of beyond our scope any sort of that button up or finishing back you don't want to have that budget for it be outside of our pay to tear down the building. But if you need to replace an exterior wall or reconnect mechanicals that becomes a local but >> mechanical. Yeah. That's that's a whole another story. >> But for some I would say for this project, you know, with the with the EL credit and I guess going back to first question too. Um, with the
083EL credit, I mean, we'll be able to lump it to about 80 plus million dollars in new construction without local funds beyond LSI. Um, so that is a big chunk of money to build a decent sized building at this point. Um, that's a great read. I was pausing on that when we talked about Yeah, we talked about that chunk in the beginning that is in your pot. It's in Beck's pot. It's not It's yours to use for that 20%. So, you're not you're not going back out for a levy or asking the community for more funds. You've earned it through the process for the state to help to move forward for future problems. >> Yeah. And I think and as far as that agreement goes, we're at the point of what we call close out.
084And I think um and we can talk about this offline as well, but in part is a couple different treasuries. >> Yes. >> Um so um I can get Chris um we have a consultant that does the close out for us. Um and so it's probably coming down to just getting the final payouts and final payments and he's probably sent me some stuff to review. So I'll go back and look. But yeah, there'll be a form that will say certify the 20 community does credit. Um, and whether we have that signed today or as we move into a project for the next project, um, we still we'll use an estimated credit or you know what we know is there to spend even if it hasn't closed out. The goal would be to close out beforehand,
085but um, if something comes out, but yeah, we'll do that. But it's not going to be lost even if we don't have it all the paperwork signed. Oh yeah. >> Yeah, we're working on it. But yeah, there's been some changing changing spots and so kind of catch up from where all the final payments and make sure all the contractors before we close out. No issues we can do our >> and that's um for educational space and >> I saw >> well I mean there's there's a level of athletics meeting will do a gym but nothing over beyond what the OC >> Yeah. Yeah. So for like you know elementary school gyms it's probably on average 4500 square feet in a board surface on a wood floor >> and no bleachers. Middle school you'll get wood
086flooring and a certain amount of bleachers. high school bigger wood flooring and a little bit more futures and so and then locker rooms are saying like a ratio the students will get a locker room but they're going to be kind of your typical locker room not >> the oversized ones for short pads I don't so >> so all of that's part of the 8020 point don't just think that only the academics are part of the 8020 come up with the other >> locally and even like an audit zone I mean >> the auditorium um we do fund co-und what we call the st a stage area So you'd have a stage whether it's part of an auditorium or part of a captorium as we call them an audit area. Um and then as you get
087into the high school there's a bunch of different names we you know we we'd support the stage room the costume room some of the change changing rooms >> but it's really the fixed seating or any balcony space that's in our thought. So there is a we're trying to make a middle ground. We don't fund everything with the arts and academics, but we kind of fund a starter, I guess, a starter portion of it. >> Yeah. >> And then you can come in and fun the seating or balcony or the actual lighting or the you know, just want to make sure not to think that it's just academic. >> Yeah. Fair amount that goes into >> Yeah. administration and um the media center, however it may look and >> dining, yeah, food services, mechanical space. So,
088if if you go back to the there's there's a slide with the list of square footages. Go back a couple slide, couple more slides >> and then 23 million. >> So, yeah, this is like all the different areas, academic, special ed, admin, media. So, these are all types of spaces. Oh, >> that we would look at um custodial building. So, and they just eb and flow as you get into more and more students. So, but yeah, that's yeah, it's not just the classrooms, the classrooms and a little more and then we can work with you know if there's other spaces you want to build and how they can you know better. He's got to go. >> Not you. It's not Tim. >> So then would be construction or renovation, right? Or >> Right. Yeah. I
089mean that's part of the master plan. So we you know I would say this building only being not even 10 years old. I've you probably wouldn't put money in here quite yet. But if this portions over here that you want to keep, then that could be or it could just be all new construction or combination of both. So that's where the master plan options come out and that they're kind of looking at what's the best you know bang for the buck >> right >> unless there are surprises in new construction but less surpris I just wanted to ask um so will you do a separate report and provide the specific allowances and restrictions for everything you just talked about and feed it to um FMG for their continuing investment. >> It's it's known by this
090in the OCC documents and the state in the program. >> Yeah. >> Manual. >> Yeah. Between the the high school design manual that our fix have done our projects are originally with and then there are different financial and planning policy that I mean we can give you the the list of co-unded or credible things and things that don't really validly um the stuff in between. It's a probably a question or discussion, but yeah, there's there are a couple financial policies out there and then itself that kind of lay out minimum standards and then kind of the types of stes or amenities that are not um you know money but always going to be >> a match too like been a question. We you guys have been great on previous projects I've built on the co-founding
091side. We've had conversation. >> Yeah. And there are some things that is it may be dependent on when the bids come in. So like a perfect for size is you know probably one of our better or best exterior walls but you know the budget may initially say a split place block or some other sort of exterior wall but if the budget comes in coming under budget we would say okay now we'll coke on that 100% or 95% of it and you have to pay last 5%. else. There's also that kind of stuff. And so as long as it's when it comes to materials or finishes, you can see how the budget moves throughout the course of the project. And at the end of the day, if you really want something, you can pay for it
092or you can wait till the Yeah. see how the bids come in and see, okay, can we afford that? If not, we'll go back to the, you know, material that was within budget. So, >> thanks. That helps. Thank you very much. Thank you very >> treasure hat. >> You have a question? Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm sorry. >> You got that now? Question. >> Maybe they Sorry. Apologize if this is redundant. Um, so you're going to gather all the information. You'll look at that, but prioritywise from the school, how are you feeding that in? Um, and how would you, you know, shake that all out in the in the end to know that you've got all this information and data, but there's other priority the priorities that the school is considering um how how will that
093all mesh together in the report and on what you decide to bring forward or back to us as far as the facility master plan goes or or or just the master plan, I should say. >> Well, it'll it'll all be transparent. Sorry, I'm not seeing >> we'll all be transparent. Once the student enrollments projections are received, we will share that. We will note our next steps, the time frame to get back to you for those next steps. uh the coordination with the OFCC those master plan options we we will note the options that are being looked at that will be kind of larger than what the final probably final three or so would be looked at but we will use the pluses and minuses for each what we to see as uh data from our
094experience through all the multiple school districts that we worked with across the state of Ohio we would look at pluses and minuses for those so you have an understanding of not only the numbers for the master plan, what that master plan looks like, just sitewise is one individual might not understand what those numbers are. So, we'll put those site plans together to say, okay, here's how it can configure the the site or the benefit of BETHL and then the narrative associated with it. This is a this is why you should go this route. This is again pluses >> and I would recommend having the work sessions here >> as the driver for these discussions. So they're more driven and community driven. >> The last one I attended with the team and everybody was great back
095and forth. We were able to hear and record a lot of information and Mel and myself who were here last year with all the faculty and teachers again gathering data. We we we banked a lot of data. Um but at the last work session we we were just waiting for numbers and points to before. >> Hi. >> So as far as the prioritization, we actually have a spreadsheet kind of matrix where we can also work with you to determine different parameters that you might judge these option options by. It's not just what makes sense from a facilities instruction standpoint. It's operational costs long term. It's educational impact to the grade banding and do you have a 5 6 7 8 in your ultimate configuration with a two separate wings or do you go back to
096a K to five? Like all of those things are studied and it's not in a vacuum that we make decisions and hand them down. we would do it collaboratively with you to say here's what's available and here's how those numbers shake out costwise but let's talk about how that really impacts Battle for the long term operational costs staffing administratively things like that >> thank you >> at what point is it is do we get the community the public involved >> I mean I'm not talking just the facilities committee but like you know to do some sort of you focus groups or something like that. >> Yeah. Typically in the past I waited for the initial master play to come in and you start to get like we have community forums and you'd have large meetings
097in the cafeterias and things like that. I mean here you'd have to do it here city you know but we've gathered the feedback with some of your renderings you know they've got just thinking about ways I've done it in the past because we this is exciting. Yeah, this is a good time for >> we usually want something definitive to talk about so it's not just so open-ended. Sometimes you might end up with where the entire board and the facilities committee all says, you know what, this plan makes the most sense. Let's take that to the community and vet it. Other times it might be, let's take these two or three plans and get their opinion and see which one we feel like gets the best response. So, there's a couple different ways you can do
098it, but normally it's after we would have the numbers. It's hard to have conversations when you don't have a cost associated with it. Well, that sounds great, but what you know, what's the dollar amount comparing these plans? So, >> you know, I just think that a lot of times you you know, the the the public in in the past has felt like, you know, decisions were already made before things forward. I've heard of >> you know you know >> attention you know that >> no I understand that I'm just that's why I'm asking the question so you know like I think that you know making sure that there is uh room for that in in this >> feedback was given it wasn't used I mean that we dealt with that >> exactly exactly so that's
099the reason for my question >> and you know I >> right >> I'm I'm pretty decent communicator we use the communication and input from the community as we go. But like I in the past I've always had some type of road map if you will to like you know you said it's hard to say what something is without a cost or here's plan A, B and C. What do you think? Talk to them and it's like what makes what makes the most sense for the community kids >> moving forward. So, I mean, you know, I've done this long enough to know that, you know, when you do that, not everybody's happy, but you do the best uh what's best for the kids. Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I agree with you because I', trust me, I've
100heard a lot of that from the previous eras. >> Any other questions? >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> Pardon me. >> You guys can go. >> You guys are going to miss the best part. If you leave now, >> you're going to miss public participation. >> Thank you. Thank you, Tim. Thank you, Mallerie. You take off, too. Okay. >> Well, thank you. >> Stick around. >> Thanks for coming over. >> I make a motion that we adjourn. Did he grab >> anybody? Nobody participation, right? I don't know where we get this. >> Well, around here Valerie. It's a good project. >> It's good for a little bit. Valerie for two years. >> I will I will get it to you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Okay. Um call roll.
101I'm call this is not my >> sorry note >> we have a motion to the meeting >> who second >> rollitch >> yes >> butler >> yes >> Donahghue >> yes >> be >> Giblinger >> yes >> motion carries five or 7:34 7:34 It was like