West Geauga Board of Education Special Meeting January 27, 2026

001to call our special meeting to order at 4:00. Well, um, this meeting is a meeting of the Westaga Local School District Board of Education in public for the purpose of conducting the West Yiaga Local School District's business and is not to be considered a public community meeting. There is no public participation at a special board meeting. Stand for the pledge. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Call the role, please. >> Mrs. Clayool, >> here. >> Dr. Beers, >> here. One more. >> Mr. Naylor >> here. >> Mr. Vidmmer >> here. >> Do I do this? >> Resolution to appoint >> Oh, no. I will. >> Okay. >> Um resolution

002045 to appoint a uh treasurer prompor for January 27, 2026 special meeting. Could I have a motion, please? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Any discussion? All in favor called Caldwell. >> Dr. Beers. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Clay. >> Yes. >> Levvenworth. Yes. Naylor. >> Yes. >> Mr. Vidmar. >> Yes. >> Did you make that motion? >> Yeah. Sure. Okay. Yeah. You can take over. >> So, I think we'll begin today. We're going to start with our board discussion of the bids. >> Perfect. Thanks so much. Um we have some guests with us. So, we tried to make a smaller workspace because we're going to be working through um numbers and some of the um components of the bid process that we've gone through. And Scott Amstutz is going to introduce our esteemed guests um

003to you today and talk to you a little bit about the process. Scott. So, we have joining us today, uh, Scott Vera, sit next to me, Dom Boke, see I got that right. That's good. And Todd Brandt. And they've been a part of this process from uh since they were hired on as I was born as our owner or as our criteria design and our owner's rep as we work through this entire project. Um, so they're here to kind of discuss uh the process briefly and and what what numbers you see in front of you. Give me the names again. >> Sure. So, Scott Vera, >> Scott, >> I'm the I'm the uh executive vice president and principal of infrastructure for Osborne Engineering. >> Domage, I'm an architect Osborne Engineering. >> Is it Dom? >>

004Dom like Dominic. That's correct. I'm Todd Brandt. I'm an architect and I I lead our architectural group. Got it. Osborne Engineering Company. >> That's correct. And then as we go over some of the stuff, there's a fourth individual that's part of this team, Tony uh Blancc, and he is our director of water resources. And I'll I'll give some of the background when we >> look at the scoring. >> Thank you. >> So, we're going to dive right in rather than um talk a lot of fluff about how we've gotten here. Obviously, it's been a long time getting here, nine years, I think, from um idea to the bids that you see in in front of us. But rather than spend time um we'd like to spend the bulk of our time with the ability for

005you to ask questions um and Scott to walk us through the the process the literal process of the numbers. >> Okay. So as you may well aware um for this type of project which is two parts. It's a water treatment plant that will accommodate uh the new well and completely new systems for this campus uh and new connections to the middle school, the high school, and to the Jug County Library. Um the second uh component is a maintenance garage. Um different than the storage garages that exist now, kind of across from what would be like the visitor um parking lot, bus drop off area. Um this would be um fully functioning um maintenance garage, not just a storage garage and then shared facilities between these two components um to be a building that is occupied.

006Um the process that was decided on quite a quite a while ago now given this building type was to do um a design build um delivery method. The reason being um the building and its interior components are relatively straightforward. Um Osborne Engineering was selected to be your criteria architect and engineer to be able to put a request for proposal out on the street to receive design build proposals and then we then shift into this district's owners rep. And so I I want the one thing I want to clear up a little bit is on the terminology. We we sort of we do it too. We we we sort of resort to saying bid, but in this particular case because this is design build, these are proposals. And so it's not like your conventional design bid

007build where the bid is a hard and fast apples to apples bid. These are proposals from teams comprised of design a designer and and a contractor that are putting together what they believe is sort of their their best approach to the project. And so what we look at on especially for public procurement on a design build is we look for best value and we look for lowest risk. And this is pretty well established now at this point in the state of Ohio. These procurement laws were changed back in the late 2000 as um and have been used quite a bit here locally. Osborne's been involved in quite a few very large projects like the Cleveland Medical Martin Convention Center um the the public square redevelopment, these type of things. And a lot of those were

008for the speed of delivery. This is a little bit of both. speed of delivery and relatively straightforward building and really the guts of the building was just to treat the water and to service vehicles which is relatively easy easy to present in a criteria package. So we've received the the school district received two uh design build proposals and a couple things I want to highlight. We we had interviews with both the teams. the the one team is Cold Harbor with Ari Warner as their design architect and engineer and then the other team is Higgley um where they they haven't quite highlighted in the same detail the design aspect of theirs but they are um using a handful of of sort of um I guess I'd say like um self-propritor type um engineer um using some

009of the vendors design services to put together this package. package. Um, so they took a slightly different approach when we met and had interviews with them. We spent quite a bit of time with Higgley going over what they had included in their proposal, which were a a whole slew of exclusions. I I think there were 42 exclusions. Um, and we were a little we were I think they knew at the time that they put their proposal together um that they were going to have to work through some of those and and as a team when we met with them, they presented and then we kind of flooded them with questions and we worked through each one and a lot of those being well, you can't exclude that like this this is a full design build

010delivered 100% ready to go be occupied operating and so they They've they've made some adjustments and we can go over their their proposed numbers for that. >> We we saw that right there where they redlined they had exclusions and then redlined them. >> And I think they're now down to like 23. >> Now the Cold Harbor Ari Ri War Warner team took a slightly different approach. One, they made a point of clearly identifying the design aspect of the design build. In fact, Ari Warner kind of took the lead in presenting and it was interesting. They sort of did it in the order of here's the design team, this is how we approach the design. And then we spent quite a bit of time talking to Cold Harbor about how they plan to build the project.

011And a couple things that stood out um with the Cold Harbor Ri War Warner team. One was um they didn't have any exclusions. Um in fact, they sort of went the other way. They put in a series of allowances sort of that if needed. So they were trying to present a complete budget all in we're we're going in one time for a procurement and the dollars are the dollars period like this is to cover us from the start of the design phase through construction turn it over to you and then a couple other things that stood out and this is where we get into the best value aspect of these proposals uh and two big ones and part of this I'll speak for for Tony Blanc again he's our director of water resources is he's

01235 plus years solely devoted to water treatment and wastewater treatment in Cleveland. He's from Cleveland. Um they are their process for doing this type of treatment work is they develop an entire 3D piping model to show full constructibility of exactly how everything's going to where every tank's going to be, where every pipe, every valve that you'll have access to the valve. and they get that completely done before they start procurement of the of the materials and actual construction. And then the second biggest thing is because Cold Harbor has a has a a good set of qualifications to do these types of projects, they self-perform all of that press piping work. So they they do not use a subcontractor. They do that themselves. So they they take full responsibility from beginning to end. and and I

013know from from because we also do this type of design. The Ari the Ari Warner cold harbor relationship they've been together now for 15 years doing very similar projects. So they their team knows each other pretty well. Um that pretty that that was probably the biggest two things that stood out in terms of best value. Um the the the proposals now the cost proposals are a little bit more apples to apples. Um I think with the total I think Higgley came back with about 190,000 additional um and we can look at that but before I jump into the dollar numbers I wanted to go through the scoring and I think this is a key part. So this is when I said before this procurement method is pretty well established um in the state of Ohio

014now for for roughly for going on 17 years I think. um the OFCC form of the OFS the OF the OSFC um you know they have been utilizing a design build bid package for quite a while now and so what they use is called um a criteria selection analysis and this was published in the RFP so the the you know like Cold Harbor they're used to this they they when they're putting their proposal together and their presentation, they're focused on this. So, what we did as your owner's rep is our our four main directors each independently did a scoring of these 10 items and we've sort of included our collective notes and we offer to you this average of our scores. Um, but if I step through these 10 real quick, the first one, which

015is their imple implementation plan, um, and it usually weighs heavily on schedule, staff availability, you know, both teams showed that they had the staff in place. They they've named their superintendent, who's going to be on site, that type of thing. Um, Higgley was slightly ahead because they're showing a shorter schedule than what the criteria design package what we allotted. They're saying we can finish it earlier. Um, is that of benefit to the school district? It doesn't really need to get done faster. If if it if it gives a little bit more float for for unforeseen conditions and that type of stuff, that's good. So, on average, we actually scored them slightly ahead, the Higgley team. Um, >> but what was our objective? What did we say? >> Uh, we want to be done by fall

016of 27, correct? >> Yeah. Not um you want to be it's got to be operational by >> by school by by the >> July. >> Yeah. The 27th school year. >> Yeah. >> July 27th. >> Start the start of the school year. >> Yeah. Start of the school year. But fully before school starts, everything's been fully tested, working, all the lines are flushed, everything. It's all p portable water, that type of thing. >> Just so we're clear. So we're talking the same language. Fall of 27 means in 202 means July. Yeah. >> Okay. I just want to make sure. >> Yeah. It means Yeah. It means by summer of 27, right? It means by between the 26th and 27th school year. So the start of the the 2728 school year. >> Yeah. Yeah. Correct. >>

017Um the second one, >> so August 1st of 206. >> Yeah. Actually, we're shooting for July >> of 2026. July 2027. >> 2027. >> Yes. >> Oh, so of 2027 >> to be It will take the year to get ready. Yes. >> July 1st. Well, 2027. >> Correct. that date around when it ends the 28th school year. Okay. >> So, it's not next year is the following year. >> Yeah. Fiscal year 28. >> One was March and one was July of 27. And and what what's interesting just to like get it to the the building type is referred to as a pre-engineered metal building. Mhm. >> The their design phase and more importantly the permitting phase coincides with the lead time to procure a building because you you don't you you can't just buy them

018off the shelf. You've got to put your order in. They have to they have to fabricate it. Um which is also good for why this is design built. So literally that alignment like if if the whole thing was designed and we were handing them a full design still be the same length of time because you you need that you need the lead time to order all the stuff. >> So the ordering the stuff and the final design all happened at the same time. Um so the end date doesn't really change. >> Do you have any way to check on how accurate their predictions have been in the past? I mean I can tell you I can build that building in a month >> but you wouldn't believe me. >> I would not believe you. you

019might be able to do without a permit. >> So, I mean, if they say they can do it in uh 11 months, that may be >> pretty close, but it may be that they've got a history, and I don't know if either one of these came >> Well, from a history of actually always being under one month or two months from what they say they're going to do. >> Uh, specifically, here's what's interesting. I think my experience with with at least with Cold Harbor, my experience I do have some experience on the water on the water treatment side. My my experience with Higgley is is is not on that side. Like we're working with them right now. They're they're the construction manager for the Rockall Hall of Fame expansion. So we work with them for

020like three and a half years now. That's a little different on the public project like like my experience with Cold Harbor like with the Northeast Ohio Regional Sewer District is they they have never missed a districtmandated project date. So they work up to that date and usually they they fill their plan to make that date. I do feel when I compare the two schedules, the tightness of the Higgley schedule makes me think that they're not they're not putting enough float in. I I don't think they're putting in enough allowance for setbacks, unforeseen conditions, a permit being delayed, whereas I think the Cold Harbor schedule has that schedule float built into it, and it seems more realistic. Could they both finish by March? Yes. Could they should they both finish by July? Yes. And we had

021some very specific questions especially about the lead times of the metal building and then also the guts of the treatment process itself cuz we're being very very specific on what is going into the building to treat the water. I mean that design predates Osborne getting on board. So our sub consultant is the one that's been doing that. Peterman. Um, those are the two biggest concerns of this is you have to have a building that is up and running, that is treating water and is connected to all three buildings and has been it's passed all the permitting. It's the water's tested out, you got the right pressure, you got the right flow. That's the most important thing >> is, forgive me. Is there a So, help me understand the lead time there that that like So,

022as a former procurement guy, I'd slam my hand on the table and send to go back, right? Like that's too long. I could get anything in six months, right? So, help me understand like I guess the specialized equipment or something that's that pertains to that and like a metal building. I think I that like there's no way an 18-month lead time is what it is, right? Like unless we're doing something incredibly custom. >> Yeah, >> I assume we're doing a rectangle with a roof, right? I mean, like >> Yeah, I think the metal building lead time again, like I said, it overlap with the design period. I thought it was it 18 weeks. >> I got to look back at my notes. Okay. So, >> 15 weeks maybe. >> When do they assume we start?

023I read something about February. February that they assumed that we have permission starting in February. Is that like just I mean because you have to know when to start if you're going to come up with an end. >> So, here's what was interesting about this when they could start both teams and and Higgley was more concerned about this than than Cold Harbor because they've gone to several uh you know premanufactured building or pre prefab building manufacturers. Their concern was getting an order in before pricings ch prices change because they're committing to a cost proposal. That was their biggest thing. They were looking to try to get the order in as soon as absolutely possible. Like within a week of them being selected and signing on the bottom line, their order is 100% in. The price

024of steel is locked. I think since probably 2020 moving forward the majority of whether you're an owner's you're a construction manager you're you are a design builder you're always assuming price is only going to go up. So it's very different of prior to that you could be more speculative and if you had enough jobs in the in the in the mix price might go down on some price might go up on others it kind of balances up. It's completely shifted. It's still to this day the 2026 they just assume price is going to go up and the sooner the better they get their order in. So that was what the date they're interested in is getting their order in for the building. >> So that's the building. >> So actually I got and I apologize

025to to the rest of the board members here. I'm you know maybe I didn't do enough homework or didn't read it deeply enough. Help me and maybe for some of the folks that are watching on YouTube right now. What are we doing? We're sticking a hole in the in the ground, sucking water into it, treating it, pumping it into the buildings, right? Is that like >> No, the the hole in the ground is totally separate. That that's happening separate. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> The raw water is being drawn out of the ground >> and it is going into a treatment plant. >> Sure. >> So, you're going to see chemical tanks, pumps, regulators, >> you're going to see testing ports. You're gonna there's going to there's it's a computerized system that has te telemetry >>

026telemetry back to >> sure >> Mark and and folks >> um >> it's so like and I've you know I've lived here in Chesterland since I was 6 years old. Sure. >> My well had didn't even have a water softener until I bought my parents house 20 years ago. >> And the most I do is three filters. And I do I don't like I don't like uh sodium chloride, so I use potassium chloride. >> Sure. >> And that's just so it doesn't stain the dishwasher. >> Right. Exactly. >> But I here you're talking about a whole different level of water treatment. >> Yeah. And there's no argument. I mean, we're talking about high gallons per minute and all that kind of stuff. Tony usage. I understand and and then, you know, the testing requirements are

027high uh because of the public use and I I understand all that. I guess what I'm what I'm struggling with is from a timeline perspective. I can't imagine it taking that long. Like, and you know, I think, you know, Bill was probably, you know, making a joke, but you know, I could build this in a month, but man, 18 months, that that seems like a crazy well design and design permitting. So there this >> don't forget about the permitting. >> So so the permitting is EPA permitting is that >> EPA county. >> Okay. >> Some state. Yes. >> Okay. So this is there isn't a there isn't a standard we build to. This is a we design it and then we say hey is this good kind of thing. Is that >> it's a it

028it's a it's a continuously moving target. Yes. >> There is a standard that's designed and built to that is kind of a continuously moving target. >> Okay. And the one other thing Peterman did is you're sort of looking to the future. You were trying to build something that's going to have at least a 50-year life. >> Sure. >> So, and I'm not saying he's got a crystal ball and he knows what future regulations and requirements going to be for public school district, but we're trying to we're trying to foolproof this as best as possible. So, it's a one-time investment. And uh and the other important part too is I do want to stress that, you know, we're rerunning distribution piping right up to each and every building cuz what we don't want to do is

029have this nice new treated water and then put it in old pipes and and somehow, you know, contaminate the water from the source to there or have a water main break or have a pressure loss or have you. It's a onetime deal. You don't want to go back out digging things up a year from now and then 5 years from now. You want to do it all at once, >> but we're But it would still be subject to the same the infrastructure in the building, right? Yeah. >> Correct. >> Yeah. Yeah. We're just taking it to the to the building phase. >> But should we have to let's say in 5 years we build a new high school for >> then I assume that can all be moved and >> if we build So this

030is what's interesting about the building the yeah the the piping itself the building would stay exactly the same. The treatment process would be the same. There's some flexibility if for capacity increases and adding another tank or making a bigger pump or whatever. But right, this is to serve the campus as it stands now and what it could be in the future. >> Correct. That is important. Yeah. This isn't like, oh, we're building a new building now. We got to start from scratch. >> Good. Um, so let me continue through the scoring. Um the second one which was um their pre their pre-qualifications and then a big one was self-performance. Um this put u the cold harbor team ahead specifically because of the fact that they're using that their process is to use a 3D modeling

031up front have everything all the clash detection everything worked out for all comprehensive coordination and that they self-perform. Um this the third one which was uh their expertise for similar projects and this is really based on the qualifications that they that they submitted and then presented. Um again this is when this is both Cold Harbor and Ari Warner. Um they provided more relevant experience and local experience. Um so including here in jog county sitting in Chardan um both on both sides both on the water treatment side and on the maintenance garage side. Um the fourth one which is baseline alternative schedules phasing of their procurement plans or milestones. Uh this was one where Higgley's slightly ahead again because of their schedule, the way they present it would potentially provide a little bit more flexibility in

032hitting the the school district's uh end date because they're they're they're trying to push this. They're trying to build three months of additional float in the schedule. At least they're they're claiming they can. Um number five, which is the building's orientation, the functionality, the hardscaping, the landscaping. Um, Higgley, we have confidence that their design should be able to address this. Um, the Arie Warner team hit it headon. I mean, they've already come up with some initial renderings of how they can treat the building without really adding any additional cost. Um, they actually brought up the idea of doing some landscaping screening. I I do want to point out and you can jump in Todd or Dom on this as architects where this building will be located. You're not going to see it from Cedar. You're

033not going to see it from 306, but well, you will see it. The most high-profile part is going to be sitting in the main grandstands of the stadium for for any event of any type, whether it's flying club football or, you know, a senior soccer varsity, you know, playoff game, the building's going to be there in between the stadium and the baseball field. And it's, you know, I think I don't know what the term we use. We we we expressed to them in the criteria design that we're looking for a a barn type characteristic that would fit the setting that would bridge the gap between two you some slightly different architecture between the high school and how it was added on to and the middle school and how that was added on to in the

034'90s. You know, it's interesting and I know you guys agree. The library has sort of stood this time being of sort of a simplistic, you know, sort of Amish style barn with more modern type. There's a lot of windows and glass, but for the most part, it's blended in. It's stayed, it's stayed relevant. It was built when I was a kid. You know, they moved the mansion down to 87 and built that built move that the to build that. Um, >> so that put them slightly ahead. They they're showing that no, we are treating this with design intent. It's something that's going to be looked at. >> And the same goes for number six, the sixth item there. Those two kind of for me fall into the same category. It it was addressed with REW

035uh that what when they presented their part of of that proposal. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know, and our criteria was kind of it was meant to be kind of allow flexibility for the design build teams to have their own, you know, we don't want to be so rigid about no, you have to do exactly as we said. Um, and and Ari Warner did come in with some kind of alternative thoughts to what we proposed. I mean, they part of their sketches like, you know, do you build are both houses the same height? You have some variance in there and so to just give it more character and kind of interest to it, which we also explored just to design the criteria, but we didn't want to limit people's no thou shalt make it two different

036heights. If that kind of through the design process is something that really kind of resonates then it's easy to implement and kind of carry that forward. So they seem to be more kind of in in their proposal to us and kind of in their discussions to us a little more kind of thoughtful about that. Yeah, you are going to see this building. It shouldn't be just an industrial building. It should have some character and something to it so that when people do look at it and go oh what is it? Oh that's our new water treatment building you know our maintenance center. You know that's kind of something that people don't just look at it and go oh okay. Um, so that's kind of where I think they kind of lift it just above Higgley

037and the kind of the >> it could have the opposite effect. >> It could. And yeah, >> it's like, oh yeah, sure, the middle school looks terrible. The high school runs and but we got this beautiful maintenance building. So it's like we got to be careful there. I don't imagine this is as much a cost issue as it is how do you want it to look? >> Yes. And I do want to stress they brought thoughts to the table. They they fully understand that it is a design build process >> that they they didn't come and say this is what we think it's going to look like. They gave some suggestions of how when working with them which is what we will do in the owners as we transition from criteria architect to owners rep.

038We will work with them and then you to what the final design is going to be. So, it still has to be designed, but they at least brought that to the attention. >> That that was that was missing from the Higgley proposal, and Higgley didn't bring an architect or an engineer to the table yet. >> Yeah, we spent a lot of time talking about the exclusions during that interview, which kind of figures into some of the some of the scoring that we're doing here. So number seven is sort of the rest of the building disciplines design disciplines uh mechanical electrical plumbing structural technology design um and then the efficiency innovation material selection again the cold harbor already warner team brought all that to the table identified all the lead discipline engineers their architects who their

039project manager is going to be they've presented a full complete team that has experience in not only doing these projects but then doing them with Cold Harbor and we are I mean as a peer of Ari Warner we are fully aware of those projects we've lost a couple of those projects to them over the years so we know the projects um so that stood out number eight which is the alternative payback periods benefits um there really are no alternates this was sort of a we could have either scored them as a zero or a five it's pretty much an even playing field there >> I suppose you could almost give Cold Harbor Warner a little bit more credit on this one because they did offer some design uh changes, but we figured it somewhere else.

040Yeah. >> Um >> we're just trying to be fair here. >> Yeah. The number nine um which is sort of laying out their process, the design phase, the estimating and scheduling, and the construction phase. Um, we I guess we collectively gave Higgley the edge again because they they claim that they can deliver this building a 3 months sooner. Um, but again it was kind of neck and neck there. And then the last one um which is scope characteristics, budget, schedule characteristics, quality process characterization. Um, so even though if these budget slash schedule, you would say, okay, well, if I look at these numbers, the way they're if I looked at them, just looked at the two numbers, I'd say Higgley has the edge, but we're looking at the risk. And it was an interesting consensus

041after both teams left and and we were sitting talking about this and I think it might have been you Karen, might have been you Nancy was wow I have a lot more confidence that Cold Harbor has everything in their cost proposal and we're concerned about Hegley treating this more like a bid and then coming back with the old the nickel and dime type term which you're concerned about which is what you typically expect when you do a hard here's a bid it's all at we select solely on price and then the first thing the contractor does is they go to town trying to find change orders that that that was what gave um Cold Harbor the edge you'd say well but they're lower the number was lower and their schedule was quicker but the risk

042level and the confidence level of this team was just wasn't there so it's not that like we gave Higley zero but we gave him four out of five and we gave an average Ari Warner a five out of five. Um there was a couple more things I was going to highlight and then we can look at sort of the cost comparison if that's okay. Um besides the looking at best value and the minimization of risk. Um a couple other things of stuff the the lists of exclusions by you said this the list of exclusions by Hilly was the main focus of the interview. We we went over on time and then we you worked with them quite a bit after the fact. A lot a lot of back and forth because we did want to

043have an apples to apples. And it's not that we don't have faith in Higgley. I'm telling you, we've been working with them for the last four years on Rock Call. They've been in business 100 years. We've been in business 133 years. We probably have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of projects together. We chase work together over time. I think Higgley's they're not going anywhere. They're very reputable. they could build this building. Um, but the list of exclusions just it wasn't it wasn't the best foot forward to start with a proposal because you couldn't deliver the project with their exclusions. You had to have that stuff in there to deliver the project. And then there's one other thing. This is just a slight detail. So the access road, again, this still needs to be final designed.

044We don't I don't think anyone wants this to be an inviting road back to a a maintenance garage water treatment plant. This is not meant for the general public to go visit. This is for West Giaga's use. And there's ways you can address that. You can you can do roads that are completely hidden under a lawn and you can drive a fire truck over them. Um what was interesting is because cold harbor the the way they wanted to prep the site for to mobilize is they were very very specific. They want to do a foot of one and two limestone. So that's the big rocks that you see like when a driveway first goes in that you can drive over a 100 times. It's not going to get muddy. It's not going to rut. And

045then top that with a limestone base. another 6 in of base before anything ever gets paved. So this would be their work platform throughout the whole entire construction. And then when they're done, if all we want to do is just we could leave that access road as limestone. We could top dress it with some a little bit of soil and grass. It's an interesting thought that the way they're going to build this gives you an access road without having to add anything else. No, maybe we'll pay. You could pave it with asphalt. You could put concrete on it. Or you could you could put grass on it. >> But none of that's included in the cost. >> That's all in the cost. It's all in >> asphalt. >> No, they as that what we do

046to it, right? But they were so specific on how they're going to >> prepare the site for construction. They don't want mud. They don't want to be held back by weather. They don't want to be held back by snow. They don't want to worry about they don't want to get a truck stuck. They don't want to get a delivery stuck. They want nothing. they want and it's it's a very good approach and by the way from the because there's also the soil and water conservation district that has to review this. There's also um Ohio EPA on the on the storm water side on the that would pro that more likely than not going to get that's going to pass the erosion control requirement or sediment erosion control during construction because you're not dragging mud off

047of this site into the parking lot because it's coming off on that those ones and twos. So it's it's a it's a really good approach. Now only one of them cold harbor is the only one the only one that identified. >> So that's what's in their cost and the other what what was their solution >> that was a dis they they were unclear at this point. >> So not no cost included >> just that we will we will have some form of immobilization. >> A point of clarification there is an add alternate for the access road >> For the asphalt yes when we get that for you. >> Right. >> But I'm not sure that you're going to want it. We'll we'll >> I saw that. Yeah. But but Higgley does not not have any

048cost in there for any kind of an access road at this point. >> Not as far as we know. >> No, they don't. Correct. Okay. Well, >> nor do they have necessarily the base. >> So, what I'm saying is Cold Harbor has a base that could end up being the access road without any additional money put in. >> And we got to make sure a fire truck can get back there, right? >> I would think so. Yeah. Yes, you do. You do. Exactly. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Um, so those were those those are the couple points. And then um if you want we can go into sort of this comparison of numbers. >> I have a question access road issue. If you've ever been back there for baseball games, >> what >> people Yeah, it's

049right. But people do drive. They shouldn't be but they're driving back there. >> It drives you crazy. And >> yeah, we might have to have back games and people are driving back along right next to the baseball. We have an access road that they could >> We could put a gate, right? >> Like a gate >> or swinging gate. Yeah, >> that's what I would do. >> I mean, what do I know? >> I think so. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that's >> I mean, you have to have an access route. I I guess that feel >> Yeah. But I mean, if we were to asphalt, that opens it up. I wouldn't I was I know I'm not suggesting that, but it just seems to me even just for the building part, you

050have to have >> a good road to get back. >> I tell you so what I'm telling you is a foot of ones and twos with another 6 in of 304 limestone is huge. >> I' I've done I've done emergency fire lanes. Like for instance, I did one long long time ago when I was a young engineer at the um actually did I did one at the university school lower campus >> that goes all the way around their lake. >> Yeah, >> you we don't ever know. It looks like grass. And then that same year I did one that goes all the way across all the soccer fields and the baseball field to the stadium at John Carroll University. And you would never know. >> Yeah. But that's the type base that you need if

051you're going to hide it under grass. >> Well, the there's trucks and I mean, how many times a day would you guys be going back there with vehicles? >> 30 40 times a day. That's hard. >> Well, then that gate's going to have to have a >> Well, it depend upon whether or not that was the maintenance garage or not, too, probably. >> Well, yeah, I was. Yeah, >> correct. >> Okay. Oh, I know what I was going to ask. It says it says allowances. Is that the same as contingency? >> Yes. >> I'm typically See, so Hegley doesn't have any contingency. >> No, they had exclusions. They had the They went the opposite route. They're like, "Here's our proposal, but we're not including this, this, this, this, and this, this." >> But now they've

052put most of that back. They changed the cost. >> They changed the cost. >> No, >> but still they still did not add any contingency. No, they did not. And and if I understood, um, Cold Harbor, they have allowances that are included and some that are not. I see some are separate down here. Now, the ones that are included, are those considered contingency? >> Like I there was one for $200,000. I mean, in total, they came up to like 7 12%. >> Yeah. I think the difference is was the only difference between in their case contingency and allowance. The reason they were using the two terminologies, contingency was just a in we don't know what we what you might want to spend it on, but we're going to put it in here if this is

053we're recommending that you procure the contract for this much. The allowances were were for very specific almost like wishlist items over and above what was presented in the criteria document. So that's why they were using the two different terminologies. >> Got it. >> Yeah. Um, >> but it's so their contingencies were like around five to six% then of >> which would you would I'm telling you >> seven and a half with everything right with all >> and I would do that if I were there if I was Ari Warner and I'm presenting to you a design build proposal at this level of design criteria design I would be carrying 5%. >> I was going to say I would spell it out 5% is pretty typical >> and it goes down as you >> Yeah. What's

054the difference for um parking and and other um facilities around it if if it's going to have the maintenance versus just the treatment? >> So the the there and you you can explain the what what we put in the program. There is same there is some perimeter parking spots included on the on basically the surrounding concrete and I would think that's primarily for if you're occupying that building on a on a on a daily basis. So mainly related to the maybe two spots, two to three spots if it was just a treatment facility and then those additional three spots if you're occupying it. >> Yeah. So probably Well, depends on how >> Yeah. >> But if it's a full maintenance and water treatment, how many spots do you need? >> Do they know that? >>

055You have six. >> Eight. >> We did eight. >> Was it eight or nine? >> Well, and then all of us coming and visiting all the time just to see how it's going. >> Yeah, we did eight. >> Outside. The outside. >> What about inside? I mean, >> oh, for vehicle storage. Eight bays. >> Are you occup? >> Yeah. >> How many do you have now? >> Two bays. >> With not back to back. >> And you're you still you have vehicles spread out. So you have some in Newberry. We have tractors out at Newberry. We have equipment in the back that >> that is in >> garage that's just mater. >> So will you bring the stuff that's in Newberry back? >> Because primarily in storage at Newberry. >> You have to go get

056it. >> No, it's not. >> Yeah. So, we had to go get it when we >> actually store a couple of the mowers that we used in the summer >> to give us more room here. >> And you cannot use there's not a you do not have a maintenance grouch right now. You have storage. >> Yeah. I the one thing and I you know what I shared with with the team here with the West Yaga team is you know if we if we were brought in to do like a condition study of the existing garage which would also require a code study the results would not be like I don't think you'd want to do it. You you would not want to open that can of worms >> because it's >> well >> a storage

057garage that was built a long time ago. That that's >> you know what I mean? >> I do. >> Yeah. Numbers. All right. So, just to make this as close to apples to apples and again these are proposals. These are cost proposals. They're not hard bids. Um if you we add items one, four and five. So this is the complete package build everything and then we make that sort of adjustment for the the lack of allowance contingency. We are at a difference now of 133,000 now that Higgley's raised their their price. Um, we were also asked to look at, well, what is the what what is the additional cost for the maintenance garage? And that would be item one minus item two. And you see um Cold Harbor is about $100,000 less than Higgley. If

058you extract the maintenance garage component, I think this is where our team, including the Osborne team and our and our architects and our engineers were probably um the most pleasantly maybe surprised is that that that cost that 1.2 2 to 1.3 million is probably 40 to 50% as if you were building this maintenance garage all by itself even in today's dollars. So we knew that by taking this approach and making it an alternate actually we made it we made it part of the base bit and the alternate was to take it out that you were going to get not only you got one mobilization you're building one building at one time you're mobilizing one time you're doing all the concrete at one time there's all this shared value but the fact that I think because

059you're sharing the facility part the part that brings it up to code the bathrooms the emergency you know eyewash you've got chemicals, you've got it. It is interesting how much less it would be to add this program into what what was going to be a treatment building instead of saying, "Well, we're going to do a treatment building now and then eventually we'll do we're going to do a maintenance garage somewhere." >> That that was that was a real positive. That's a real positive. And if I read this correctly, if we were to do the maint or the water treatment and prepare for a maintenance building, in other words, put the the foundation, you call it an open garage. So, I'm assuming that includes some kind of a roof. >> Exactly. It would almost be like

060um it would sort of look like the pavilion out front in the in the front. >> That's 500,000. >> Yeah. >> Isn't that interesting? And then it's another 700,000 >> to have a fully completely enclosed >> occupiable restrooms. Non >> do are there restrooms if it's just a water treatment facility? >> It's they're the same, right? There's no The restrooms are the same. There's no additional restrooms between it being a maintenance. >> Let me check. >> Sorry. It's been a while. >> I just didn't know if that came with maintenance or if that came with the water treatment facility. Um, the restroom came. >> Well, you need them. >> And the I want There's one each, guys. >> There's one on each side. One on each side. >> Thank you. >> You're going to have

061more people there. >> There would be one that's included with the water maintenance. And then when you do the other part, you need to have minimum. >> They'll probably share the plumbing or whatever. >> They'll be right behind behind each other. And then there's a shower. And that's if you do the maintenance. >> Shower. >> Yeah. >> Garden is included in Yeah, that was in the first half. >> I'm having a hard time finding this. Give me one second. I think the one the one >> make sure it's in the maintenance. >> Yeah. And I think the one other thing about the two and you you guys are the architect so you could tell me if I'm wrong. So if it's just the water treatment, you have to have a bathroom. You have to very

062clearly identify it as a unisex bathroom. As soon as you do the two bathrooms, you can you have much more flexibility than saying having a men's room and a women's room. Um, again, you could you can get away with the unisex bathroom if it's just single use, but by going to the second bathroom, you're again, we're trying to we're trying to we're trying to proof, you know, foolproof this for future, right? Build it once, don't worry about it. Um, trying to use our crystal ball a little bit to look forward to what requirements might be. >> These and those would only be for use in the maintenance building. They're not for public. >> Not for public. Yeah, they are not for baseball games. They are not for throwing events. >> Why not? >> Like, why

063not? I mean, >> yeah, there'll be clear signs. >> Well, I mean, seriously, like why not? Yeah, >> I think because to for the interest of space, you have to be an authorized person. It's not You don't have separate entrances. You have to come into the building to utilize those fac. From a safety standpoint, unless they were completely like if they were just housed in the building and they were completely outfacing and they had zero interaction with the inside of the building, then you might be able to do that. >> Amber is going off at the same time. >> Snow squall alert. That's what I'm getting. >> Oh, that's a real >> I don't think I've ever got one of those for that. Yeah, >> this way out here. >> Sweet. How you think about

064>> other than the other than the obvious one which is the access road >> I I looked through everything but it's really hard to identify like differences. In other words, did one of them mentioned too that they thought the tonnage on something was backwards. >> I think it was Higgley said that they >> Higgley has some different thoughts on on like capacity of the HBAC system and other stuff. And as we kind of clarified that kind of scoped out, we kind of landed back on through design. You'll ultimately end up up on that. Every engineer is going to opinion. >> You're going to need one of each, but whatever. >> So whatever we do is going to be code compliant and then as Scott indicated, we'll future proof it. So kind of the idea is

065to just plan a little ahead and and kind of get you to where you want to go. Was there anything else that you >> Yeah, the one thing that stood out to Tony to Tony Blanc and my the engineers, the one thing that stood out was um Cold Harbor was putting um some additional consideration into the really the tanks and the pumps that have that that are part of the treatment process. They had included um isolation pads, additional they they they are looking at um super flat um pads so the tanks don't have any >> chance for deformationation over time. like they they they want to ensure a tank isn't going to subside or settle or have some undue force because of unevenness on the bottom. Um, again, they they self-perform this part. So, they're

066like super hyper sensitive into the guts of the building and what its main like function is. And then it was interesting because they brought Ari Warner on, they're looking at like, okay, what does it look like from the outside? Like how is it going to function? What are people going to see from the general public? What what are you going to see when you're in it every single day? That was the biggest I think distinction because again, we're telling them pretty much design like this like Peterman's saying this is the guts. this is what we need to treat the water and that was the slight difference >> which is a big >> well we're going to be as much of I well >> function as aesthetics >> right >> it sounds like% general you're saying

067that cold har cold harbor >> uh was being proactive in everything that they did >> they were and and and I think you talked to to Tony Blanc today and Tony was available He always said, "Well, we got three people already. I'm sure you um he he from a qualification standpoint and he he he knows both. He knows Cold Harbor, he knows Higgley, but he knows Cold Harbor specifically for water and wastewater treatment and Higgley not as much. He knows Higgley as a building company, but he knows Cold Harbor as a water wastewater treatment building company." Um, and that was his biggest differentiator from qualification base and and basically what's their reputation. Um, I think the one other thing that I think also stood out for all of us um, when Cold Harbor identified who

068they're and they're going to have two superintendent because they're they're they're looking at both programs of this potential building um, as having some uniqueness. They've identified both. They've they've committed both of them. Um they're both here. I think one's in Russell and one's in Chesterland. And they they um pledge full full-time presence but the superintendent level. So not just the foreman level, but that's built into their proposal. So >> So for 16 18 months, >> not at the exact same time. There's some overlap. They have one dedicated to specifically the water treatment >> water treatment side >> and one to the overall building and the maintenance side. >> So like one FTE and >> probably there'll be a little bit of overlap that things are happening at the same time but yes roughly one FTE.

069>> Yeah. Okay. >> And I'm new to the to the process new school board member. Um, do is there you've already looked at concerns as far as permitting or EPA things with this dual process of a maintenance like like there's no you don't foresee any questions there when when there's going to be permanent per permits or regulations with that? >> Yeah, it's a good question. We um the the the I think what takes um with probably the primary driver is the water treatment side. Um and so Tony Blancc um our lead civil engineer was Kevin on the site development side. they they had gone through their own evaluation prior to us going out in the out for proposals as to what they think the timeline was going to be and what all the different components

070were. Um there the really the secondary thing from the maintenance garage I think was mainly an oil water separator was the biggest thing. all the other code stuff and all the the the heavy do the heavy lifting on the permitting is really related to the the the water treatment and then because we had our subconsultant Peterman he was he was the second set of eyes that said yes that's how I've envisioned this and then that was I think reflected back um in these proposals maybe a little bit more highlighted a bit a little bit more closely by Cold Harbor I think because they're self-performing it >> so they they are the ones that are actually going to be doing it whereas Hegley will will bring in subcontractors to do a lot of that >> and

071the mixed use is is going to be fine that >> yeah they're they're not necessarily from a building code standpoint they're not necessarily incompatible because they're both kind of you call the maintenance garage a storage belly necessarily and the water treatment is kind of more of a factory industrial because it's more of a processing they're not incompatible uses and and the way we wrote the criteria out which is kind of the advantage for kind of the district is it's a non-combustible construction is the way the building code looks at that which means it's not a wood construction thing you're not get setting yourselves up to future exposure of a fire event or something like that because it's a non-com building. And so then that >> it's important because then then you kind of you can

072justify that we're making something that's got a long future into it. We're not just having it kind of built by a stick built, you know, kind of a contractor thing. It's more thoughtful in what you're doing so that it has that ability to last the 15 years and kind of stay strong. Actually, why don't you maybe drive into the detail a little bit about when you did the code analysis up front cuz initially precarious design we talked about a fire separation extending 3 ft through the roof and then when you looked at the building type. >> Yeah. So, so we have again, you know, Don and I kind of did this and and so it you can play with different ways of doing the building. So if you wanted to kind of go to a

073kind of combustible construction which could have like a lower build cost initially then you would treat it as two separate buildings. So then in doing that as as kind of Scott was saying then you get into the middle of it with a firewall and then it's got to poke up out of the roof. So now you have one roof slams into this weird parab sculpted type of a thing and now you start to get into the weird aesthetics issues and stuff that if you're going to stare people are going to ask why is that there? Um, and so it's easy to kind of put them together as as kind of the factory and the storage kind of together under a non-com building. That gives you the kind of flexibility just having a look as one

074building, one roof. You're not getting into the weird separations internally. Um, it it's just a far better way of looking at kind of how do you do this as a long-term investment and not have kind of build something that has risk exposure. You're kind of removing that in what you're doing and what we've recommended in the criteria. And I would say what's interesting is we brought that back to the West Yaga team and I think the consensus was well we could accommodate that architecture. I mean actually that architecture exists on the '90s edition that faces 306. You have those like parapit walls that stick up between the green roofs. >> But I think what I heard and you guys all said it was we can't have a combustible build. Like we can't have a combustible

075building type because we cannot have the water plant go down. So just don't even go there. Like don't even >> take that off the table. >> So go to a non-combust combustible building type. And then we came right back a day later and said, "Okay, well good news." >> Yeah. >> If it's non-combustible, >> it's it can be one use. We don't have to have two separate buildings squished together. >> We we were very sensitive to that. There is a three-hour wall. Technically, it's say technically it's not a fire separation wall by the code, but there is a three-hour wall separated into two functions with only one opening in it. So, that's that's a, you know, I think that was one way, one of the major ways we were saying, look, we got two functions.

076I think this is what you're getting. You got a you got a maintenance garage that might have a higher hazard and we don't want that to close off anything happen. And so our concern came down to >> if there's ever any kind of electric battery powered vehicle on the maintenance garage side, >> we want to protect the treatment side because the treatment side cannot have it go out of service. >> So So that is how we came we went over and above the code for a non-combustible building >> by putting in this what would be essentially a three-hour fire separation wall with only one penetration. >> Good. >> Which will be closed. I mean, that's >> What about venting? You know, now you're going to have vehicles in there. So, it's got good air circulation,

077air venting. >> That's all going to be done. >> It's all part of this, right? >> Mommy part of what needs to get >> insulation cuz insulation. Yes, >> it's all there. >> Including the garage doors. I mean, day like today. >> I have two more questions. One is the warranty. What What kind of warranties do these guys offer? What are >> That's a good question. one year building. >> I don't know if it will be any different than any standard building that gets bill 10 years is what I understand it to be. One of them said something about a year. >> Yeah. What's that? >> Usually workmanship, but the like because these are >> each of the components should usually like a minimum 10 year warranty >> by the manufacturer of the correct. >>

078Yeah. And that's the whole process. They have to build it to the manufacturer has to sign off and say, "Yeah, you built it here." You have a whole you'll have a whole booklet of warranties when it's said and >> done. Honestly, >> but we'll know that but we'll have a good warranty and the whole water treatment that it works that the piping you know that we go through at least a whole four seasons of it working and everything. >> Yeah, that's the workmanship part. So the workmanship part is you can call the contractor back out on their dime >> for any working out any case. >> Yeah. So, since we just had two bids, is there anything I'm not sure why there were just two, but you could maybe speak to that. And then also,

079um, is there anything that, >> you know, it just went to the two. Is there anything that they're missing or that a a third party could have brought to the table? >> Sure. Um, that's a good question. I when we because we sort of beat around the bush on that. Um it's a pretty tight construction community here in Northeast Ohio. Um there was quite a bit of interest. We got a lot of calls. You always got like trying to get the edge. A lot of it it looked like it came down to um current capacity of local contractors. The the construction community is very busy. So is the design committee like community. It's good right now. Like we're doing really well. It's a lot of work, a lot of backlog. And then, you know, they're

080getting roughly like the metal buildings. There's a handful. A lot of them are out of Pennsylvania. They're looking at the bids. They're looking at deliver time. And to be quite honest, I think it was for and more so Cold Harbor than Higgley. Higgley, I think, was on the fence. It's about fitting it into their current backlog and getting it done by July of 2027. And I think that's why there's probably three or four others that backed out and it's like we got we're too busy. They all would have been very capable. But the downside is here's what happens. They know who's going they all know who's going after it. They they know who pulls plans. They can see it. And this is what they this is what they would say. I've been in the room.

081I've seen this. They say, "Well, we're going to this would add to the work we already have. I have to hire more people by the time I put my price together. Higgley or Cold Harbor is going to beat my price. So, it's not worth me putting a bid together. That's typically how closenit that community is. And I'm not saying they're colluding. I'm just saying they've been to enough bid openings and design build proposals and they know what who won the last job and sometimes they beat them by a few thousand dollars, sometimes a million dollars. It's that's the bidding climate at that moment. And that was a little bit of the feedback we got, which was I don't think I can deliver in time based on the amount of work I have. And if I

082if I threw more money at it, I I would I would have been I would have put all this work effort together and you guys would have said, well, your cost proposal is too expensive. And again, this isn't hard there. You know, you can't really get that on the record. This is just sort of talking to the industry. So, >> I also think that's why we we did the scope review kind of things out here a couple weeks ago is why don't you just have two and there was a big enough spread in there that we like well we need to go sit and actually spend time talking with each of them and walk through that to kind of find out where we really at to get to a true leveling because if you have

083the third one you can quickly find out who's the oddball right and two of them are right and the one's weird that's easy you fix it so I think having that conversation and giving them a chance to get leveling when you really kind of get down to the take the allowance contingency piece they're like 2.7% apart they're really not that far off which helps kind of if there were still a big spread even after the leveling discussions that we that's it would absolutely kind of someone's still missing something or someone thinks there's something in there that's not included but that leveling process really did help because it helped us get to that comfort level. >> There's yeah there's one other thing that we talked about sort of sort of used about >> if there had

084been a third bid and I'm going to have no idea what the price would have been or I shouldn't say bid proposal. >> Mhm. Um, we may not have spent as much time as we did with Higgley to preserve their proposal. If this had been a hard bid, the Higgley proposal probably would have been thrown out for being non-responsive because it had all those exclusions that had to be in the in the in the So to preserve having two legitimate bids, we kind of went over and above to work through because again, this is a proposal. This isn't a hard bid. And that's why we spent a lot of that time face to face. And then after the fact going through, okay, you need to work on this because right now what you put in

085this booklet is is not responsive. It's nonresponsive to what we asked for scope. So even if we had three numbers, we still we still we'd probably still only be looking at two. And I think you're saying the same thing because usually that's what happens. You get the three, one, you sort of throw out. And by the way, you're never going to get three people to come. It's pretty hard on on a a design build to have three people in the mix on a responsibility check because the one that's like has no chance of getting selected. They've moved on. They they really don't they don't want to sit there. They don't want to show their their work. They don't want to show their numbers. They're like, "Hey, I didn't win." They might even pull it and

086say, "I'm not I'm not going to I'm not going to get selected, so I'm backing out." So that's not uncommon. >> Okay? Even if you had six bits, you'd probably be maybe looking at two. >> Okay. I just want to ask that because the the community wants to trust what we're what we're doing. So, you know, those if you're not in the the inside looking in, then they're like, well, why didn't you know, >> there was a lot of initial interest. >> Yeah. >> I think four or five groups came, right? Yeah. >> Was it four or five? >> I believe I am on that the walk through day. We we were expecting, I'll be honest, we were expecting more bids to come in, >> more proposals, proposals. >> Yeah. I was surprised that a

087couple names were missing. >> I know. At least it feels better. >> That's right. You've trained us. >> I have I have a question about uh I'll call it the scope because we're talking about the water treatment as the water coming out of the ground and getting treated to go to the buildings. >> Correct. >> What about wastewater treatment? How is that being handled? because you got the chemicals that you're using in the waste in the water treatment and you've also you mentioned the oil and water separator for the maintenance, but you've got other chemicals that you're going to be using in the maintenance too as well. So, how are we going to be treating the water that is effluent from the building? >> Yeah. You need to have toilets too. >> Well, that too.

088Yeah. >> No, correct. So, yes, >> but that frankly that's the least of my concerns. That's a good point. Yeah. So the deal with the other side, >> right? So the affluence side for the sanitary leaving the building has to be compatible with the on it's it's going to be compatible with the on-site treatment that exists. That's a very good point. And I don't want to say septic cuz what you have more sophisticated than septic like a package plant, but that's a very good point. By the way, it won't get permitted unless the design proves that out because you're not take and even if you were even if this was leaving the site and going to a municipal wastewater plant, it would still the effluent leaving the site would still have to you can't I

089mean you've seen you've seen companies get they've get fined you've seen it you've seen it in Menor you've seen it over the years like >> well we want to be good citizens so >> and you want to be good So, >> right. >> How how is it handled? I mean, it's it isn't going just into a a septic tank, >> right? >> And septic tanks aren't designed to handle large quantities of certain chemicals. >> Correct. >> So, how is it handled? So the biggest thing you have is really the sep the oil water separator and that's it's maybe a little bit more sophisticated that is the stuff that you're that you're you know keeping out of the the package plan. Um the the the you know you've got we've talked about this it's it's wash

090down it's really wash down of of vehicles and and you're >> lubricants >> you're capturing lubricants >> most of the like talking about oil changes that kind of stuff that's all done at the muscle >> we don't we don't do a lot of that we do with lawnmowers that kind of stuff but it's not You know, there's there has to be a water oil separator and every chemical that goes into there. I have to file with the county. So, I have to fill out this form that's like 20 pages long every year for each building, including the bus. So, like they're not going to let us do anything until that is met. how that's going to get done, that's kind of governed by the count and regulations. >> Yeah. But >> Bill, you're talking about

091the the filtration process, the chemicals, they're just add pH control on the water. >> Well, going into our our local sept uh local uh water treatment effluent >> that's part of the design process. >> On the treated water, it's completely portable. So that >> Yeah. But yeah, but but on the maintenance crotch side, that is where you would be concerned about. >> Okay. But but the treatment process, you're going to soften the water, right? >> Yes. More likely than not. >> Yeah. Okay. So then how do you soften the water? You've got columns of some type or other that you have to recharge that you use chemicals to recharge. >> Probably not going to soften the water in that building because it's only needed locally in the building like boiler plants, that kind of stuff.

092Okay. >> The cost would be would >> go up for softening. >> Oh, I understand. >> So, so the that kind of chemical treatment is done at point of use rather than in the water treatment plant. >> The water softing part. Yeah. Because we'd have to we have to do the water softening at the water filtration building. We'd have to run another water line to each building. >> Okay. >> For the softened water >> because you'd have a distinction between the two, >> right? That's a good point. Yeah, it would be overkill to to soften all the water that's being used. >> If I remember correctly, >> believe the most water treatment that we're going to do there is like chlorine. We'll be adding chlorine to the water. We'll do bag filters which eliminate hard

093metals and then I think UV I don't remember. >> So disinfection removal hard metals and then normal just chlorination like you would in any >> like a municipal type system. I think you're right. And I have to say it's been a pleasure working with this group on the maintenance garage side of things because we, you know, as as good stewards of our clients doing a a building like this, we would often be asked by clients say, "No, no, it's not a any kind of a service garage. It's a storage garage only." So we could get away from having to have any discussions about an oil or a grease separator. And it's refreshing to be with a group. It's like, "No, we're going to be straight up honest with you. we may have to change oil

094in a in a you know mower or something understanding that the big vehicles are going to the garage but just to be straight upront about it so that you're not waiting till later and all of a sudden having the jurisdiction come back and say well this isn't right you don't have this oil separator it's it's super nice to just do that right out of the gate and have it be part of the baseline cuz it's so >> then the goal is the water that comes into here for drinking by students by staff faculty will be to we don't need bottled water anymore >> correct I would say >> now you have to get over the habit entire point that is absolutely >> I know sometimes it's convenient. I get that but I just >> want

095to understand >> I mean you say bottle water my kids have you know my kid my daughter's kindergarten through 12th grade and my son now is in nth grade. They bring our well water to school in their giant water bottles. So I mean they skip the whole bottle of water but >> that's how they've done since kindergarten and even even preschool when they went to preschool like that. But I see exactly what you mean. That was kind of my point. >> Yeah. And I don't think, by the way, my son will still be in high school when this is done. My wife will most likely still put up you'll still give him the big >> still going to be like, "You're going to drink the water from our house cuz I know you like it."

096>> So, did you What were the three things you said again? Disinfection, >> Heavy metals and >> and then the normal chlorinization that you would have >> in terms of scope of this whole project. This is maybe more for us. What what's in here about raising that the current building and getting rid of everything and moving and all that? Is there any cost in here? And if not, what's that going to be? >> Me too. >> Raised down the building we currently have. I assume we're not keeping that building there. >> We have not done a cost analysis on that. what we we have been working on just looking very very I guess specifically at what that site would be that would be born in whatever the reuse ends up being like one of the

097ideas that we floated is locating the tennis courts there that would be born in the cost of prepping the site for what you're going to put there eventually and you wouldn't want to do it until that's completely up and running probably I don't know maybe you got somewhere to put that stuff in the meantime. >> Sure. >> So, I have a question about the the price of the costs because uh the number that I had written down for bid item one for Higgley from the what was in our package that we got yesterday or Friday I guess it was was 4.56 million and this is 4.75 million. Mhm. >> Where is the difference? >> The difference is that when we had their interview with them and we went through the whole clarifications process, they came

098back to us. Uh I have the email here. Um they came to us on January 14th with an updated number and it was $190,000 more uh for item 1, four, and five put together. that that eliminated 19 other exclusions for >> and that wasn't included in our package that was attached. >> No. >> Yeah, I know. I agree. There's a difference. >> I'm surprised. >> I don't know. You may maybe it was the old proposal. >> I sent the old and the new the email one of your >> Well, I was just looking at the page where there was the summary of the costs. >> Yeah. So that's that's see if you look up at the uh number if you look up at the heading it says Higgley updated. Yeah, that's the updated number. >>

099That's the updated. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They came back with Sorry. >> So then my question is why weren't we given the updated number or am I looking at the wrong page? >> Um I mean I know we Osborne didn't put this together until last night and this morning. So we we didn't we didn't overwrite their >> supposed but I >> I included the email the newer email numbers back from Harbor. >> Well, I was looking at the summary table. >> Yeah, the summary table would have been out of their initial table. >> No, the summary table that was sent to us. >> There was one here's the one if you want to look at it. Here's the one that came in the email. Those were the that's where the numbers came from. So they

100they sent it back in in a different format. They didn't send it back. >> So maybe the one I was seeing was the one that was in that part of the package. >> That is that's exactly right. >> The the second part that I included was their additional the additional. >> Yeah. They they didn't unfortunately initial >> they did not revise what they didn't physically refill out the form. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> So, it was the old number plus the email >> and then we just did this. Like we just got this morning just did this. But that wasn't clear to me that we had to add both of those things together. I was looking for a nice concise summary of what are the numbers and what popped up to me was what you're

101saying was the whole table. >> It would have been giving you this earlier. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. And >> you said the same Nancy said the same thing yesterday. She said, "I think it would be a good idea if you put the numbers side by side because >> we we've got this compilation." Yeah. >> I created this last night. >> Oh, did you? Okay, good. >> Except that >> you have the other number. >> I've got the other >> Oh, yeah. Gotcha. >> Okay. This goes back to that point that we had in this in this criteria document. you know the sorry I'm sorry if I interrupted you but it goes back just to the point of the ef the additional effort that we had to put in to deal with >> to preserve

102their their proposal. >> We do not want to throw their proposal out. >> Right. And I'll tell you the thing that struck me when I was reading through it at the beginning and there's an awful lot of information there. So, I I may very well have missed a bunch of stuff. No, >> but as I opened up the two different documents and was looking through them, what struck me was that it was a lot easier, I'll say, to follow the Higgley document than it was the Cold Harbor because it looked like a Cold Harbor. You guys had sent questions to them and then they'd replied this question and that question. >> Uh, the other way around. >> It was the other way around. >> No, but that's not how it appeared to me. I was

103looking at the documents. >> Interesting. >> It was a hard read. Interesting. >> That's fair. >> From >> it was a lot. >> Yeah, it was kind of maybe a stream of conscience. You saw the work product I think in real time as it was going the back and forth. And the funny thing is a lot of the cold hardware back and forth was them saying, "Yes, it's in there. Yes, it's in there. Okay, we could we could cut that back. We can move that to the allowance." That was probably the most back and forth you had, >> right? >> Whereas it was Higgley was like, "Okay, we'll add that. Okay, we'll add that." The Higgley was more just a a um edit of the document, >> right? And by the way, Higgley's look more

104like a bid >> than a proposal, which is what, by the way, this is what you would normally see. >> Design build is not used as often. >> Um, you know, this is in a school district that builds a ton of stuff. It's not a big very big school district, but as I said in the beginning, for this application, for this type of building and process, it's a good delivery method. Um, I think it saves the school definitely saves the school different time and time's money and it's and it's and then in the end it saves money. I think uh I remember going through some of this discussion about different methods of delivery of contracts and bids when we first started looking at the master plan for the whole school system. And as I recall,

105one of the things that struck me is that when you have the a large project, it's good to have for the school's defense to have the uh whatever you guys are called now. the uh owner auto. >> Yeah. >> Owner representative >> as opposed to working on it in other ways where then the school bears more of the risk >> of things not going right because we're not the experts on carrying out large scale >> Yeah. >> building project. >> And that's a perfect segue, Bill, because I think it first of all, thank you and thank you all. We're so appreciative of Osborne who's walked us through um the process. I think it's important for us to sit down today so that you so that the board members have an understanding of the intricacies of

106the process, the amount of questions and back and forth um to bring you the viable bids. um you know obviously you're not uh your occupation is not with the school district so you can't perhaps spend the amount of time that we can um to get the bids to excuse me the proposal Scott pardon me um to you in this way but I think um Osborne has certainly um led us to get so much information for you guys to make a decision that you can feel comfortable with and and to move forward. So, we're very very grateful. Um certainly um it has been an education and so much time has been put into even getting to this point. So, we're super grateful. So, I just wanted to say that. You know, it does go back to

107one of your questions on a numbers of people that made proposals because we intentionally held back from aligning ourselves with a contractor and being part of a design build team because when we initially had proposed to kind of be on on this side and develop the criteria package, there was always that opportunity for us to then submit as a DB team to just continue further. We held back on that on on purpose one because then we get to remain as your advocate through all of it. So it doesn't matter whether you go with full barber or with West Giaga all the way through. So we're we're going to be making sure that whatever comes out of the design package that we review, it makes sense with what we decided as criteria. We believe in it.

108We're going to support it. We're going to recommend support all the way through. Had we aligned with with, you know, Higgley or some other pick a different contractor, Pans, any of them, you know, who's out there. One of the first questions that probably would have came up in in in the previd that we had here would have been is you know and we we kind of answered it straight away is that we were stepping out of that process because if we would have and someone would have asked are you guys submitting to continue on for the design build the minute we would have said yeah we're submitting with so and so we're then these guys would just run away and we do that because we get that we'll go off for a project that someone

109else was the criteria person and ask our first questions are they precluded from submitting or are they on board? Well, that was good because that was kind of our intent. >> I mean, it wasn't kind of It was our intent. We wanted somebody who would be totally objective and have nothing to gain by whoever >> we chose on this, >> you know, and so that's really kind of, you know, this leveling process is really good for us. As Scott kind of indicated, both Cold Harbor and Higgley are they're quality contractors. You know, Ari Warner is a good kind of, you know, design partner for Cold Harbor. You know, you got two good proposals, which is fantastic. It's just really you guys have to do what you feel is truly best for your you know your

110district and kind of the people that are here because if you were looking between you know you're kind of you're apples to apples you're not really looking at two different things. It's just which type of apple do you prefer? And that's kind of >> And what's the cost in your in of your services when you transition from the criteria rep to the owner's rep? >> Off the top of your head, Todd, you run the >> Yeah, I do. I think our our our our remaining fee and kind of or what you guys would pay us to kind of serve as as owners rep, I think, because it's around 90,000 >> 90 and some change. >> Yeah. And that carries us for the next several months until it's, you know, built and we get through grand

111opening with you guys. So, >> yeah, that was something we approved um few board meetings. >> It hasn't yet. It's >> already something that you Okay. >> Yeah. The money was to be cured and then we would we would just await authorization. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> So, we're your advocate all the way through. No matter what >> you get us, so hopefully you'll like us. >> Well, I'm always your advocate all the way through because you have to live here, Scott. high school district since the 80s. >> But what happens? >> I kid watch all the Stranger Things and that's what it was like in 1986. >> So what what happens if something is going wrong or we're like who's our contact during this whole process? Will it be

112the whoever we choose their superintendent or is it you guys? >> It would be their project executive and then we >> we are your advocate. >> Okay. So more likely than not we get the call we intercede or we do it together or we do it jointly. I do I mean we would expect these them to be a partner. >> And I say this again because >> we work with we work with Ari Warner. We work with Cold Harbor. We work with Higgley. We probably work with well we've worked with Higgley longer than everybody because they've been in business a 100 years. But we work with them. We we share information with them. They you know contractors are always interested to know what's on the design boards as they used to say and then vice

113versa. We know contractors because of delivery methods and construction management that sometimes clients are looking for the contractor before they've even started looking at the engineering. So it's it's a very close community and we expect them to be a partner. This is the old days of theund 900lb gorilla in the room and people swearing and yelling and pounding. I think it's going away. Still happens every once in a while. >> I think I think we're going to be I'm gonna I'm going to go on a limb here. I think we're going to be involved with every correspondence that happens as we move forward. At least that's what I would like to happen. So I don't when that question that you bring up when it comes up, I'm I'm hoping to be there right in real

114time. >> Yeah. You don't have to reach out. I'll see a problem and we'll >> I mean that's just what I think we're doing. I'm not trying to sell you. I think that's just what our job is. Good. >> That's what we've done up to this point is collaborate and then get out and >> everybody's been on that that type of communication scale for sure. >> Goodness. >> One more discussion. >> Yeah. I have one other question. So around the maintenance facility. So today like I don't know how many bays we have over here right now. Like trying to picture the building. Five. >> There's six. >> There's four bays. Two of them. One of them is area. The other one we store tractor in. It's >> kind of the shop area. The other two

115we park trucks. >> Okay. And yeah, that >> the back of the building is where we store mowers. >> Okay. >> Yeah. What I was trying to get to is like how much do we have under roof right now? What are we going to have under roof later? Uh you know what's you know like do we have I'd guess that's a 5,000 foot building or 6,000 foot building. >> I think it's like >> I'm like you know for not not trying to tie you down to >> like 50 by 70 maybe. Okay. So, >> I could tell you five six months. I probably could have told. >> Yeah. No, it's all right. Yeah. I'm just generally and then the new building is two times the size. I mean, what are we do? I mean, a

116feel for I guess what I'm trying to get to is are we building a bigger building or not building a bigger building? >> Are we getting you know, some addition, right? Yeah. But I mean, like and then >> so then the followup to that is so for like for what, right? Are we trying to do indoor storage of vehicles? Are we trying to do more service work on prem? or you know is there some offset to the cost or you know so like why I guess yeah is the question >> it's going to be easier to store vehicles in just because it's designed so that you can you can put a vehicle back to back >> um because right now you can only park two of the vehicles in over there there's two vehicles outside

117actually I take it back we actually converted the one bay in the garage in the back to be able to park a truck in. Um, so we're going to be able to store more vehicles in it. The mowers will be in there. There's more a little bit of more storage space in there. Um, >> how would the shop space compare? >> The the shop space? Well, the the shop we have now, the shop space is like 12 by 24 >> in a nonoccupiable building. Just I for the record as a design professional that is a nonoccupiable building. >> It's and it's you know the what what I'm what I've been looking at with what we what we've looked to design like you can almost use the entire I don't know how big it is. Uh,000

118ft. 5600. >> Yeah. So, it's you're going to be able to use that entire space as a shop, so to speak. You know what I mean? Like, it's going to be um a huge improvement, I guess. I don't I'm not sure if it >> Well, you talked earlier about bringing tractors over here instead of keeping them somewhere else. >> Yeah. From Newberry over here. And we store a lot of stuff over here in this whole building out in the middle of a field. What happens to the garage behind it? >> Well, that's >> Are you replacing that, too? I mean, you >> Well, we only use one bay of that garage behind us. That's the Kanas. >> Oh, can it stay there if we put tennis courts there? >> It's our building. I should say

119it's our building. It's the school's building. I I I don't want to say anything, but I don't know who paid for it. I think it was a joint venture. There's not real a lot of paperwork. Karen would probably know better than I do. >> How old is it? >> Over 10 years. I'll put it that way because that's as long as I've been here. >> You're talking about the one that was built with the field. Oh, 2014. >> That Yeah. So, you know, I was the engineer. I was also I was the criteria designer and then when we ended up going to design build I was the design engineer and that that building was not that was a donated >> the one behind it or the one field >> the one behind by the field

120that that appear >> talking about the one behind it. >> Oh that probably older than that's got to be way older than 2014. >> Yeah. >> That might go back to when those were converted to soccer fields probably. Yeah, that that's a long time ago. >> Well, we'll need to know more about that probably at some point, maybe. Depends what we do. Any more discussion, >> questions? Mark, did you get your answer? >> Yeah, I think so. We just It'll be better is kind of the net answer, right? Like, and yeah, and I'm just trying to like get my head I love I love guys that do maintenance. I'm a guy that turns my own wrenches, too, right? Like, so I I totally appreciate, you know, having a work area and somewhere to work. I'm

121just trying to like get my head around, you know, spending 1.2 million bucks for a shop area, right? You know, and you know, let's like like just thinking about it practically, right? Like are we doing, you know, like I see that there's a lift in there, right? So cool, right? Like it you know, if you're going to do an oil change, I get it, right? But I start thinking about I got to do a lot of oil changes at the quickie lube to, you know, to cover that, right? Uh if I'm storing vehicles inside, am I going to get extended useful life out of those vehicles? I don't know. Is it just not snow covered so it's easier? Maybe that's good, too. You know, I guess I'm just trying to get my head around why

122we do it, right? Versus what we have right now. >> I think a couple things. Um probably a visit there. Oh, walk through would be good. >> That'd be good. >> Okay. >> And um second, it seems like this also ties right in with our discussion about the tennis courts, >> right? I mean, it does because we keep saying we want tennis courts at some point. And I'm told I've been told that's the only place we can put them. Is that's is that a true statement? I mean, there are some there is a couple different places, but um one maybe two that place and then we've had a design of maybe over by >> the waterershed. Yeah, >> the Oh, where is it? Oh, we're behind the fields in the trees. >> Yeah, we've had

123we've had some communication. >> Um but when we look at stability and ground and space, that's been the place that we've looked at. Um, we'll just work with the three places that you can do it is, >> I believe, is off Cedar Road, the maintenance garage or the daycare, which means you'd have to kick the daycare, which is not anything anybody wants to do, >> I know. >> Yeah. So, I think there a couple things. I mean, I don't know that it's going to be a one to one here's the cost savings we're going to get if you go ahead and and put the second half of that building together. I think you're looking at two things. It's an investment in the campus in terms of it does broaden and give you opportunity in the

124to remove it from that space. that space is um it's important space in terms of regardless. You could look at it for tennis courts. You could look at it for field space or parking. If you would go ahead and put a a high school on the soccer fields, don't panic everyone. Then obviously you would raise the building and you would put the soccer you would replace the building with soccer fields. So, but that that I think >> it's it's not a one to one and I totally understand your question and I think it's a good question. Do you gain capacity in terms of the maintenance? Certainly. Restrooms. I mean, there are things that you are going to get a lift things that will make our maintenance stronger, better for sure. I think secondarily to that,

125it's more of a campus move. We're looking at our facilities as a full campus and it gets us to secondary steps. Those might be to Pam's Point tennis courts. Those might be eventually parking for athletic facilities at a new high school. It just it depends down the street. So today, you know, right now in real time, I don't know that it's the the onetoone where you're going to see savings. No. Um but I think ultimately for a campus plan and vision um that to me is a secondary benefit that is um a strong one. >> Yeah. But I guess the contrary opinion or conversation we don't have one. Right. Like I mean right like are we building a school? No problem. You know there's nothing on the docket right now. Sure. Are we building a

126new high school? Not on the docket right now. Right. Right. >> So if I look at >> the courts would be in real time. >> Yeah. Right. Because it's on the list. Right. >> Sure. It's on the list. The courts would be in real time. You would likely dependent again it's been some time since I picked up a racket but I think there's likely you could gain some parking around it too depending on you know how you would put the courts you know we would have to obviously be involved with an architect etc for that but I think that gives you that opportunity. Um the the Cedar Road still had some wetland issues with it. So they said yes you can fit it but there there would be you know additional complications there. Um your

127best driest highest land uh for tennis courts obviously which is important for tennis courts is probably that space >> and not the existing position >> the existing position. No. And and really you what we're hearing is that you can't make the existing position um because of the nature of the soil underneath. And that's the problem with the tennis courts. that's why they're cracking the fact you can't make the soil strong enough for the foundation um to make those tennis courts viable over time. So I think that's really why I mean it's funny to talk about high ground in tennis courts but I mean I think you're looking for high ground when you're looking for the build for the tennis courts in terms of the campus and that is that's the piece of your high ground.

128So, >> so could we build the tennis courts on this access road that's going to have a >> It's funny you said that's exactly what I was thinking, Bill. I was like, so we're going to hold up trucks on number ones and >> tennis courts are more complicated than they may seem. I'll have you know. >> Yeah, we're going to have the grass ones. >> Now, Ellen, now we're talking. How about some clay tennis courts? >> It's not just about the tennis courts. It's about thinking ahead, you know, being proactive and thinking ahead about what our options are and why we would because this comes down to two things. Number one, choosing. >> We have to do the water treatment. We got it. >> This comes down to choosing, but it also comes down to

129do we do the maintenance building now or do we not? And so, it's important to understand all the different things about that. And I wonder about we talked a lot about environmental, right? The environmental part of it. What about where it is now? >> Where the where this building's planned? know where it is now. >> Where the maintenance building is. >> Oh, where the maintenance building is now. >> Do we have issues there? >> I don't want to ask those questions. >> I would not I would not recommend you do a code study or a condition study. You would not you would have that on the record. >> Don't want to either. >> Okay. >> It is now tickle ball courts. >> Well, I would like that, wouldn't it? >> Now you're being now. Wait

130a minute. >> Community. Community. Yes. >> You know, one observation, having been around as long as I have, um I can remember when we had a bus maintenance garage that was at Russell School, >> right? And I just have to speak to the dedication and the work of of our employees and what they went through working in that space of a dug hole in the ground that they had to get and and the work that they did to make our buses be some of the best, you know, maintenance and operable and and carrying the kids safely in a space that was was for years. That was until we built the garage over on the on the Metsenbot property. And in some ways, this is the same sort of thing that we're asking our employees to

131be doing the best work that they can possibly be doing in space that is inadequate. Um, so, you know, that to me is a big part of of what we're looking at, too. It's not just uh do we have a building that we work two things together and are we looking for the future. we are treating our employees uh it's not a Taj Mahal. It's not a you know this is the top of the line. It's it's giving them space that is safe and that is um thanking them in a way for the wonderful work that they do and giving them the opportunity to work in a >> viable workable space. >> Yeah. And I, you know, I appreciate the work session today because I think this board um will be spending a lot of

132work sessions. You know, you have this is why you got the great uh certificates that you've got for the work that you're doing. Um but I think, you know, part of our charge is to prioritize um what we're going to tackle for our district and for our kids. And so I think, you know, it always behooves us to have the conversations. Again, I think it's the, you know, had the board's wherewithal and fortitude and choosing Osborne to kind of lead us through this process is making it one that I think is it's obviously going to benefit our campuses and not maybe the sexiest of ways, but in terms of um running and and being safe for our kids, uh certainly important. So, I appreciate it. >> Any more discussion? Any more questions? Go ma'am. >>

133What is the timeline then going forward here? >> Our hope is that um I could make a recommendation for the board to vote on at the February meeting. Um that would be the hope. Obviously the beginning of the project we want to start as soon as we can and so some of the the numbers were dependent upon prices and real time of steel as Scott said. So, you know, as soon as we can come to board agreement about how we want to move forward, the better in terms of getting the project underway. >> So, that's 3 weeks from today. >> Any concerns with having it on the February? >> I was just going to ask, >> how do we decide whether we're going to put it on meeting in February? >> Well, um, we can

134discuss that here. I can make a recommendation based on what we've heard today for your vote. Um, we certainly those are probably if in terms of getting it on for February as we build the agenda, that would be the way to get it on for February. >> I think that's what we'd have to do. I think first we'd have to amend the the agenda. We don't have any resolution to put it on. >> Well, >> we'll just put it on the board agenda as a line item and then then you can, you know, obviously once you second it, we can have a discussion. You can have an open discussion about it and >> At the board meeting at that point, if we decided that we needed more information, we could table it. >> Yes. >>

135Okay. >> That's what I was trying to get at. >> Yes. I'm sorry, Bill. And I think it just makes sense that um yes that I would make the recommendation based on our discussion today and then we can either table it or move forward as your comfort level. >> Yeah. Okay. Thanks. So >> I'm okay with that >> Nancy if I can interrupt. I think >> wait a minute lizard of us showed up. >> Go ahead Karen. >> Sorry. I think the motion can be set up like the the base bit and then you can take the alternates, you know, take those things off or whatever. I know there's two it's really who is going to do the work and then whether or not we have the add-ons. So those can be separated out into

136different motions. Um so you can we can adjust those motions to help the board go through their discussion. >> Perfect. >> Yeah. >> Thanks Karen. It was God. >> That was funny. >> You're looking a little blue, Carol. >> Okay, you have another presentation on summer projects and capital budget plan. >> Okay, I need a breather. Good. Well, you stay for the track. >> Do you want to >> want to cover that now or >> Yeah, it is part of the >> Oh, gotcha. So, first I made a pretty simple um slide that kind of depicts the the different summer projects that we've deemed priorities as we've had multiple discussions over uh different board meetings and looking at age and many different um areas of projects and priorities for our district not only for this

137year but for the next five years. Um some of them are cyclical things that we have bought or we have we have purchased every single year. Uh and some of them are things that we've deemed necessary because of multiple things. End of life would be a lot um boiler replacement because of the nature of how they're functioning at this point in time. But there right there is a list of um different projects either coming out of our O3 which is permanent improvement or our 070 capital fund which was money that you all have moved to a certain place to potentially take care of uh those scenarios. So, uh, bus and van, uh, those are that is a purchase that we have purchased every single year. This year, we are purchasing one bus, three vans to

138to, uh, because our vans are pretty old and we've had some additional bus purchases prior to this, so we didn't have to do two uh, in this and in this round. Uh, the prek rena uh, and furniture, that is something that you guys have already discussed previously that we're bringing to uh, WestG. So, we're very excited about that. that renovation is combining those two pre-k rooms for a suitable bathroom facility, you know, changing facility and um area for that um those two classrooms. Um we have talked um and another cyclical teacher devices. I'm on my last round of purchasing um teacher devices. Um and that is also other some other technology that works with that. that cost for teacher devices probably will not be that high, but it also involves some um Chromebook purchases as

139well. Then we'll go on a rotation for teacher devices. We're going to see how these devices have the the aging of those devices, but we're looking to get hopefully three, four, maybe five years out of them depending on the functionality of those. >> Are we talking laptops basically? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh and then the instructional tech furniture. This was a a money amount that we put in to look at um classroom outfitting classrooms is that per classroom. The two things that I've looked at um extensively is a full tech uh for each room. you know, what would we do to new uh multiple tech? And then what would it be to price out um new furniture, which would be more movable furniture um not, you know, the old metal desk, but uh tables, different

140um learning areas and different things like that. So, I've been fortunate to be a part of one of those already when I was principal at Kirtland. We we did a lot of different rooms. So, I have some >> That's for the high school. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, that would be initially for the high school cuz that's probably the worst of them because I know the middle or the elementaryaries have gotten some newer furniture prior to me. >> Well, either way, this is for high school. That's a starting point. >> Yeah. So the that's why we chose the high school and then uh we are looking at a new truck um as our international is deteriorating and and it's not functioning at the level and consistently as we need. So we're looking at a new

141plow truck and not looking at international. We're looking at a couple of different options >> because we plow our own we plow everything all the all the facilities >> here all the schools >> 4 a.m. they're here plowing. I know NY's on the watching them. >> I watch them every morning. They're the here. >> So those those are more the one that's in there that is the wind the Westwood Lindsay water treatment and we've been working with Dave Peterson um reviewing that equipment you reviewing um what we have in those facilities and what we're coming up with is we can't consist we are monitoring that water but we want to make sure that we can monitor even more and make that more consistent as it goes to the the buildings. Um, and it would be

142on the same kind of lines as the water treatment plans for the facility on main campus. It's just more equipment. It's not literally a house. Um, um, so we've looked into multiple components. We do have numbers for that for that equipment uh, and that work and that's for both of them. And I have some additional information that you and I talked about. We met with Dave Peterson. Here are some of the different uh areas that we need to really consider. Some of the tanks there are old steel tanks that uh are starting to fail. So, a lot of the equipment in there is end of life uh and to get those tested um to get them cleaned out because there might be some sediment in there, but it's still being filtered. Um the 070 is

143uh an initial amount of money that you guys move for us to be able to do some continuing project projects. The first one that I do want to talk about is a track replacement. Um we have been have we've had that track continually evaluated every single year um with Vasco. Vasco um is a company that um checks it, rejuvenates it. I think in 2015 was the last rejuvenation of the track which is it's a rejuvenation. >> Did the rubber surface? >> Yeah. So they're they're rubberized. >> Yeah. They're uh that was in 15 and that rejuvenation time frame lasts anywhere from 8 to 10 years. typically eight and then you're kind of pushing it as it gets past a time frame of eight years. Um >> and then you had a painting too then. >>

144Yeah, we just had it painted. Um we have continuously met and we are on the cusp of needing to replace that entire track if it's this year or it's next year but it's going to have to be replaced. Um, so we did get specific proposals through Vasco, who has done our work on our football field, done all our testing, they did the rejuvenation, and they've done all the maintenance on our track. We're very, we trust them highly. They do great work. Um, and we do a lot of work around here when it comes to that. So, we have two proposals. We can talk about those proposals now since Scott's here. Do you want me to finish out and then go to the proposal because there's not >> I think finish out and then I'd like

145we want to talk with you a little bit about the um elementary water project because obviously there are some line items for the board to vote on and also the track replacement because there are two options there. So >> um this the the west the high school roof project. So, we have been obviously evaluating every single roof in our district, and we just had our middle school one um done through TFO, which which is great. TCO has a 30-year warranty when it comes to the roofing. Uh they take care of any issues up up until 30 years, so that's a great guarantee. We had them evaluate the high school roof. It did come out in phases. We do have uh some areas that we have saturated um insulation. We have pooling. Uh, I've I think

146in one of my presentations I sent some pictures that kind of showed that area of what needs to be done. Um, so the the phase one of the roof uh just TCO just put that out for bid to get specific um specific numbers. These bids don't mean that we're we're obligated to anything, but I wanted to get make sure that we had specific numbers. those bid proposals which we're continuing to review now go from anywhere from 1.5 to about 2.1 mark >> 2.1 2.2 into and I can I can talk a little bit later about specifics with that. Um so we do have four different bid bid proposals. Two local companies, two uh um companies that are not as local um but our big companies that bid on that network. Um that is something that

147we would like to to move forward with uh because of multiple reasons that I can talk about hear me talk about it now. Well, if I can just briefly cuz I know that's me talk about real quick. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Okay. >> When we looked at that part of the roof, um there were several components that we wanted to understand better. There's a there's a lot of ponding in that area. It is a some of it's gravel, a lot of it's ponding. There's a free thaw a freeze thaw issue with that that could continue to um create more and more leaks and make that roof um faulty. Um there also are drainage issues uh because of the metal to gypsum and the decking that they've combined. It was kind of in the words

148of Trevco very shoddy uh workmanship with how they combine these different types of roofs. Uh so there was poor construction. Um the tie-ins aren't what we need for proper drainage is why we're getting all the pooling and the discoloration on all of our roof. Um and then we would want to re redesign that drainage. Um the reason that that is a section of phase one that would be because for logistics for mobilization to do specific things and start phasing out that roof that is the most uh most beneficial area to do first and then we would mobilize to different areas as as the the need came. So those >> is this on areas that were part of the the renovations? >> Yes. And then there's some of the parts that didn't even do the roofing.

149It's the gravel roof um that has been sitting there for I don't know the specific age mark to you talking about the 96 renovation. Yeah, >> some of it is some of it is not. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I mean I know the one section is the library cuz there's also the skylight replacement for there. chance. >> So, so you're going to be asking us for to go up for bids or No, you're you want a >> I I would if if after we talked about this, if we would want to move forward with this roofing component, which I would recommend because of the things that I just talked about, we have multiple proposals that we would work through and it would be accepting a bid proposal that one of the four uh based on,

150you know, evaluation and Chuck's expertise on you know, working with that. >> Is it leaking now? Do we have leaky >> into the rooms? >> Um, the worst leak is in the hallway by Dale Smith's room, which is the home room. It's been there since I've been here. You can't find it. I Every time it leaks, we go up there. >> H how do we make sure that we don't get another shoddy job? You know, you said that it was bad work construction >> working through TMCO and the guarantees that they're giving us with the warranty, I think. And and then when we look at this first phase, if if we were to continue to work on this roof and and replace that entire, you know, the roofing system, they would even backdate the first

151phase to be compliant with another 30 years. So, we would have a guarantee that they would come out and make sure everything was right, you know, for that duration. 30 30 year warranty >> is planning on making >> is is TMCO the one that we use for the middle school as well. >> TMCO is um who we went through. Yes. That's not the um the contract >> and so they're the general and then they're pulling in this sub to execute >> cuz I mean we went almost went liquidated damages on or liquid liquidation on the middle school, right? >> Yeah. and that I mean we when we looked at the bids we were the ones that chose the contractor and then Drumco obviously overseas at that point in time um that company had no issues.

152Um I don't know if they overextended themselves and maybe the rain or but we've been in the middle of that component for what a while wondering but the last several years they they have completed projects they have done things in a timely fashion. Uh this this one didn't end the way, you know, we wanted to, but we do have the majority. They're coming back to do some fi final touches. Um and then we'll have multiple walkthroughs for that, but that's um that was unforeseen unfortunately. Um but um we took appropriate action to make sure that they got done as quickly. >> What percentage of the whole roof is this? >> This old >> like about about like >> I would I think there's it's about a little more maybe a third. >> A third. >>

153Yeah. Yeah. About a third. >> The phase one is a third of it. Okay. A high school is about 200,000 ft >> like more. Yeah, it's about uh so that's the the roof phase one uh switch and closet project. Um since I've been here, we've been evaluating all our switches going to the end of life. uh we did uh transition to 10 gigs um of service which then causes a couple other problems because you have old switches that might not be able to to blend 10 gig. Uh we have probably 80% of our switches that are close to end of life or one year away. Um and with the new the new um 10 gig that we do have running to our our buildings um I've put together a couple different proposals that I'm working

154with pricing. Uh the unique thing about that is we can go through - rate. So we'll have a cost savings there and that is bid out through that rate process of 470 form uh and then people will actually bid on that and then we review that. I'll be working with Edgitech on that project um to give uh specific dollar amounts. But uh I initially had a quota about six months ago to look at all of our switches and and the lifespan and how much is it going to cost to be able to do that. It was it was roughly about 250. Do I think honestly are we going to maybe do some different things because we do have some switch areas that we're not maximizing the switch um that we're going to actually look at

155how we can downsize some of those areas uh to make sure we're highly functional but we're not maxing the switches but we have some viable space for that. Um, so, um, I I'll have some information in February when I submit a 470 form for what we got and then in a month later we'll probably get quotes back our reimbursement and all that stuff. So, >> you you mentioned Edgitech. We just join started with them, right? >> Yeah. >> And that was, if I remember right, one of the reasons you wanted to go with them was because their experience with this kind of >> they they have Yeah, they do. They have lots of experience with um different I mean anywhere from phone systems to for schools, you know. >> Yeah, that's what I remember. >>

156Net ops is is very good company. They do a lot of good things, but you know, they're not problem schools. Edchech is and uh they've done a fantastic job. So now I get praised all the time on on their technicians and responsiveness and um so we work very well together. And then so for me, so the switches, do we have a lot of terrestrial traffic or like local traffic? Do we have like I mean that's an expense that's a big expensive switch, right? I mean we're not talking like I mean that's a a lot of local traffic through a switch that that at that price point unless you're talking about like because I mean I got to imagine we're mostly cloud-based at this point, right? >> No, we uh Mike can get you numbers more

157about how many switches we have in the district. Uh right now I think we're I I reviewed 40 different switch components in our district because we have MDF rooms that have five four or five switches. We have IDF rooms that connect other parts of buildings. Um and those those will but I have a there's roughly um that we've looked at and we've had to replace some out because of warranty just individual ones but >> okay. Uh we do have a lot of switches and within that that's the cabling that's the patch cables that's licensing uh for our access points. I mean that that costs an amount of money to to be able to have run those access points. So >> So this is you're you're when you're saying switch like you're talking about the suite

158of services. You're not talking about the switch. I know. I know. >> I'm like dude, sorry. It's the whole thing that goes with replacing a switch and all the different appliances because now they have different um they have some things that you can um equipment that you can put with switches that actually increases the bandwidth and the speed that you can throttle and use do it yourself. And then you have a secondary throttle so you can actually control that a little bit more. Um, and those are the different types of proposals that I'm that we're we're looking at to be able to present. But it is it is all of our closets, all of our end of life switches, and and then all the connectors cuz some of those patch cables unfortunately don't carry the

15910 gigs. So, we got to make sure we do that. And then we do have our 10 gig filing run from the middle school to high school. We haven't connected it yet. We're pausing and we're making sure that we have the right the necessary people there to so we don't interrupt for sure. So, >> Okay. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> But no, that would be a question. >> Yeah, I would love that. Yeah, I'm like envisioning an expensive rack, right? Yeah, exactly. And >> yeah, >> um the the last two the are focused in the Lindsay are we all know that our boilers at Lindsay are are faulty. They're um old. Mark, I don't know if you want to add to the specifics, but uh we have to replace those boilers. They're they're on the

160edge of not working at all. Um there's a lot of work that would be in the middle of that on getting those out, you know, putting new plumbing. Um so what we are doing is we're working with Osborne and and Danielle at Osborne to put together and her lead on uh a criteria design for that. Um Lindsay Boy, the one thing that we're seeing too is some of the water or the water that's coming into those boilers are throating them quicker than than they should be. So that's why that water treatment plant also is so important to feed those boilers. Um so that will be a a criteria designed to look at what that bid package would look like with the the boilers in the building and then the water treatment that would go with

161kind of a package deal. Um >> how many boilers do we have? Two. >> And both of them need to be replaced. >> That's scary. >> If I were designing a building today, would I put a boiler in it? What would you put in? >> I don't know. That's what that's a question. Like like I would I would have never used like a split type of system in a house before, but after just installing one recently, I would probably do that way more often than I would put a whole home unit in. Is there any like a boilers are, you know, they're simple yet, you know, complex, right? You're heating water, moving it, right? Uh is there any other solution that works since this? If I can say something good, they're they're if you look

162at the boilers that are currently in there and then the ones that we we put in West two totally different animals. It almost looks like a revamped, >> you know, under the sink. I'm heating the water as it goes through. It is very very efficient. It's very compact and very small. The other boilers, you know, but as for you and I have never talked about any alternative to a boiler. I've never heard that. But I from my experience in a in a large building for consistency and comfort, a boiler is the way you need to go only only because they're there's they're complex but they're simple. >> Yeah. >> So it's you know it's a hot water boiler or you have a steam boiler. Steam boilers are a little more complex, but they're a basic

163uh hot water heater, basically what they are. And it's >> it's um you start if you start going into the newer split units and that kind of stuff, you start getting into like is it going to heat the room right now when it's zero out? >> Yeah. Below zero. >> Yeah. >> A boiler is going to heat it. >> Sure. And I would rather have no air conditioning than no heat. >> Sure. >> Obvious reasons. So it's >> it's and it's a lot, you know, like boilers are regulated by the state. So there's there's a liability issue there that's removed, so to speak. Um that's my opinion. I don't >> there may be >> some engineers you're talking about top units versus boiler. Sure. >> Whatever. Yeah. Right. I mean, like I I guess, you

164know, like it just like if we were going to, >> you know, if I was going to make a new, you know, one room schoolhouse tomorrow, what would I do? Or 10 room school, >> right? Yeah. But Yeah. But no, I mean, like or whatever, right? If I was going to throw something up this weekend, would I put a boiler in it for efficiency or would I put, you know, uh, you know, some other solution? >> Well, and some of the some of that question, some of the answer to that question is you already have the building. you already have all the expensive part of it. >> Sure. >> Um, if it's a new building, obviously I would look into >> more tech from the standpoint that the other side of that is that more

165high-tech, the more props you have so far. >> Sure. So, um, we're going to be we're going to be looking at, um, contracting Osborne to put together a bid package and design engineering bid package for his boiler water treatment plant that would come together for >> That's what you're asking us for. >> We're Yes, we're Yes, we're going to be um I think I submitted that that information. Uh, lastly is the Lindsay parking lot. Uh we've evaluated Marquaz with his his folks. Uh that's the that's the worst of our group and uh we're we're pretty nervous that we could lose that uh lot. Uh so um looking at the proposal, our budgetary proposal that we've gotten. Um the one thing I did add to this number um different than what we had before was a

166contingency of uh 10% because as we're looking at that lot um there could be some areas that we would not go below we would have to go below 2 in when we when we grind that out. So uh we wanted to make sure that we would take care of that not have to come back and pay for something new. So that number did go up a little bit. Uh but we do have a proposal from that. um hallways in construction always because we've used them before. Um they're very credible. They do great work. Um as well as Vasco and some of these other >> They didn't do the Westwood lot, did they? >> Um they they fixed some things in the Westwood, >> but the original lot were having all the problems with >> the

167lot and lake. >> I thought Westwood was the parking lot that really needed to be addressed and >> they all need to be addressed. Westwood needs drainage done first. That's a big That's a That's a >> big >> That's a either that or >> When I look at your list that you sent us >> of the various middle school renovations, uh there were two tabs on the the workbook. One was uh middle school renovations, the other one said middle school renovation project. And you've got the parking lots at Westwood listed, but the parking lots at Lindsay are not listed on either one of these sheets. >> How come? >> Um I'd have to talk to Karen because that that wasn't my that's not my file. >> Okay. >> Is this an updated capital project list?

168>> I mean, are you talking about the spreadsheet with the three tabs? >> It's this guy. >> Yeah. I >> Yeah, >> that that's what I was looking at, too. I'm like >> looking at new information. >> I'd have to confirm with Karen about those priorities and the Lindsay parking lot on these. See if I can find it correctly here. I've got that uh was 250K and yet but on uh when we get to section 3.02 2 that says it's 370K and now you've got >> 300K. Look at uh 3.0. >> Can you pull that up? >> Yeah, sure. >> I think the last time we talked about Lindsay parking lot too, we said we would want to do kind of the bare minimum at this point. Is that what this is? Just to keep

169it from totally being destroyed. We we had >> because of the discussions we're having about Lindsay >> that that Yeah, I'd have to talk I'd have to go with Karen on those numbers and discrepancy those numbers. >> But we're not we're not doing anything with that tonight. >> So I I Okay, let me answer you at a different time on the in those numbers. >> Yeah. All of Yeah. Bring it. I mean, we all need to see it updated. >> Yeah. It's It's hard to do bare minimum in a parking lot. >> Yeah. because you're going to spend 200,000 on a bare minimum and then in four years it's gone. So I don't >> Does this give it? Well, like what kind of life does this give it? I guess that's a better question. >>

170That's a mill of 2 in resurface some catch basins and some sidewalks >> that actually the whole front of that adjuster. >> That's a new parking lot then, right? I mean I mean whatever useful life is maintain. >> Yeah, I guess you talking about doing the same thing we did out here and they did that in 17 and it's still here. >> It's getting bad, but >> Okay. After this winter, >> Bill, to answer your question that I got to work with Karen communication >> on on that document there. There's also Can you hand me one of those? >> Just one of them. >> Doesn't matter which. >> Oops. Sorry. Uh, I thought this was a great document. It really lays things out um, clearly, but there were, as I'm not sure if this is

171your document or Karen's document. >> It's a it's a collaborative document together, >> but there there are places when I went through this that there were uh, contradictions and things that were missing. So, I'd like to ask you to go back and >> so Bill, this is Karen. >> Yeah. So what you've got now is what we originally okayed. So once you make some decisions on which track to pick, what you're doing on the roof, and all that kind of stuff, then I'll update that based on these resolutions that you're looking at going forward. So that's just what's in place now that y'all have allocated in the 070 accounts. >> Okay? >> And then we can then we'll be able to update that based on your decisions. I didn't want to presume your decision. So

172that's why there's an with the chart versus and that's really identifying what's in the $10 million uh middle school plan and what's left in the 11.5. So I didn't want to jump the gun there. >> Yeah. Well, I was just >> I was just noticing that there are discrepancies in the numbers and and um and don't know why that should be one should be feeding the other someplace or other. That was my point >> and this is a capital project proposal format that I'm looking at also and there were other places there. I can make a list of them that I found that uh >> they weren't completed. they weren't completed or there are things on one form that was different than what was on the other. >> I just hand them the the 3.02

173the parking lot document and it's 370 and it's 300 on there. >> Right. But there's also other things in the 3.02 or things in the 3.03 where there were uh things missing or discrepancies as well. So I think we I think now at least and also just clarify that this was what we had originally set aside in our 070 plan when we moved all that capital over because of um the necessity to get you know people looked at it as if it was cash we had and yeah it's cash but it's it's really needed for some very important projects and we wanted to separate it out. So we just needed that clarification cuz it was confusing >> to see all the different numbers. not sure what we're approving or >> right being asked for. >>

174Well, in the past we we've asked for a commission to go out to do these things and this was our um and this this this form is going to be pretty fluid until we have all the information there. Sometimes we don't have bids. We don't know maybe we might want to bid instead of use a consortium. So this in instead of me coming and describing this, we wanted to have some some hard information for you to be able to review. Clearly, we need to review it again to make sure that it's 100% accurate, and I'll make sure that that happens. But we want to continue to use these profile sheets for each project. >> I think that's great. I like the profile sheet. >> Yeah. >> It makes it very easy to scan through it

175and get the um information that we need like uh where is the funding coming from? Is it the 070? Is it the O3? Yes. Or is it general? We got the box checked. Is it a competitive bid or not? Got a box checked. And that was one place where something was missing. On one case it showed it as checked and another case it didn't. Okay. >> It might be worth adding as well what maybe we had already seen in some kind of a capital list. In other words, this is what initially we thought we were going to spend and this is the that way then we can >> why the numbers change. >> Yeah. I think part of the complicate there's so many projects, right? Especially when you start talking about summer projects that we're

176trying to make it be very clear so the board understands exactly what they're approving and have stop gaps of approval along the way. So I think it's a work in progress and we'll we'll go back and make sure that we've um dotted our eyes and crossed our tees. So So >> absolutely. >> Yes. Thank you. You know, that wasn't the intention to confuse, but we want to make sure we're clearing things out. It's not confusing. >> I'm going to bring >> I would let you know if you were confusing. >> Your honesty at 100%. What I'm providing you right now are two uh proposals for the traffic. Um there's a >> You're going to give us the runaround on this, are you? >> Yeah. No, >> there only two. I'm trying I'm trying to >>

177He was making you back. >> You got it. The sports guy got it. >> I got it. Oh my gosh. >> I just now got it and that was bad and that was bad. >> Oh dear. >> So the fir the first the top copy is the the lesser of the bids. Um it's a different surface of the track. It's um some different longevity components. Um and then it's um a little bit more maintenance. The second pack that you have with the picture is a little more expensive. Um maybe they're >> one is more expensive and it is a different surface. Uh the longevity uh is is has a higher rate and then the rejuvenation uh periods are less and when we look at rejuvenation periods we have to pay a specific amount to get

178that rejuvenated. So, um, I wanted to provide you with both, um, of those. Um, I know Scott can talk a little bit more specific because he's worked with Basco obviously on our turf, but and and the idea of tracks too on the two different types of surfaces and the advantages of either. >> Sure. And um, we we will be involved in this project if it moves forward as a this would we would be a sub toasco. So, we've done a just a tiny little bit of upfront work, but we will we won't be we won't be released to finalize design until they get selected. So, what we did, our uh director of sports fields, which is a standalone practice at Osborne that I'm pretty highly involved with, if you recall from previous meetings, um I

179had so his name's Dan Kelbeck. He um he independently weighed in on this for me. Um cuz I have Vas, you know, Vasco weighed in. I got copied on all the information, all your questions that were asked specifically to these two systems. Um what Dan sent me uh yesterday as a and I was aware of this project because I I did the final edits for it, but if you guys are familiar in Florida, the school districts are county based. And so we did a condition study of all the tracks um for Panelis County. They have 15 tracks between their high schools and their middle schools. And in a school district like that in Florida, they need to equally address all of their facilities sort of simultaneously. You can't show preference to one high school over

180another high school, middle school over another middle school. And what we did in terms of that is we we actually we created a a matrix. This is a couple years ago of five different levels of track surface, probably over and beyond what you would typically see at a high school. Just so you know, this the the this base one, the 675,000 was our base of the five. So that's a latex track. This this one for the 820 is actually the third. It's the middle of the road. So first one's a latex. The second one is poly a polyurethane basemap base mat system and a structural spray. Um so the what we recommend to our clients independent of a vasco or anybody else is we put on this latex a 5 to sevenyear life and then

181on the polyurethane base mat and structural spray we put a 7 to 10 year life. Um, and that's being pretty conservative as you know because the track's there and it already exists. You've already gone past the expected lifespan of the last resurfacing >> and it's poly >> and it's and it that that one is that one is latex. What's there now is latex and again it's been it was re-ubberized in 2017 and it was painted last year to extend that latex beyond what the original expected life was. Um, so I just wanted to give you sort of that because there's a lot of terminologies here. The next two ones above that, there's a polyurethane sandwich system and then there's polyurethane full pour you're talking about. And we've done the track three times now. We're talking

182about like Ohio Stadium's Jesse Owens track. That would not be applicable for this setting. But it is, and I've said I've said this to you to this board in the past, >> going all the way back to 2014 when we first did the first field, >> absolutely positively better life cycle cost on the polyurethane. However, you are a school district and life cycle cost doesn't mean what you a lot of times you make your decisions on what you can spend now. So, I think both of these are very appropriate for a high school setting. Um, obviously this is the only track in the school district. The next two closest tracks are Hawin and then Notre Dame. Um, that I think if there's any other questions, I'm happy to help. But >> well, you said rejuvenation.

183So, how does that fit into this? When would we be looking at rejuvenating? >> Sure. Um, if you go with the the latex like you have now, I would probably be you would you would start to consider you would want to start budgeting it within 5 years. >> Okay. to extend the life of it. >> So it's just before it >> right. >> Yeah. >> Doesn't have a life. >> Before it doesn't have a life in case. Yeah. And then the other one I think you I would comfortably say 8 to 10 years. Probably 10 almost twice as long. I think for the level and I you know this is no digest west or I think the level of competition that typically happens on this track. I think both are perfectly acceptable. Um the polyurethane

184would definitely be if if you were very concerned like hey we hold all these track meets and we're this you know we hold all these regionals and we have blah blah and we run out to CIO and everything else you you would you wouldn't want to go above a latex. >> But and how much does a rejuvenation generally I mean cost? I know we don't know what it would be. It's I think it's it's per square foot 12 and 15 is where I might go. >> Right. >> And do we are is our track available to the public when school or when we're not using it >> so the day kids can use it and Okay. >> Part of these two proposals um is the timing of this um to be able to get this

185project um scheduled and done. we would have to start the middle of May to have that done, you know, prior to to the school because of uh the base and how long I need to sit and the the laying of the track. So, we've met we talked to Matt several times about that schedule and we would have to start um comfortably in the middle of May. We've talked to Brandon and all the folks that we would work around uh to be able to have that process uh go and be done hopefully by the end of July. That's that first week in August is if we started in the middle of May, middle of August. >> Would the whole field be be closed off then during that time? So they couldn't use the field at all.

186>> Yes, the football field they won't be able the stadium will probably be closed except for around first part of fourth of July. >> That's really rough for doing anything for 250. It is unfortunate that when you do this that that a lot of things shut down around it, but um >> they probably set a high bar with that. Vasco ended up doing that field in 30 days as you recall. And I told this board, I believe they can do it in 30 days, but I would not broadcast that to the general public. And so then everyone was like, "Oh my gosh, they did it in 30 days. That's amazing." Yeah, they had great weather. It worked out. All the material showed up on time. There was no snafoos in the factory. >> It's very

187similar. It's a similar like what the what everyone was anticipating this past summer that it was going to be off limits for 60 to 90 days. You'd probably want to go forward with that same message even if it ends up being a shorter period. But there is a there is a set time. You have to let the asphalt set up. It's same thing with tennis courts. 28 day cure time >> before you apply the the surfacing. That really is important. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Now, there are some things they can do together um in the project that wouldn't elongate. you know they can do side by side but that asphalt setting up is a 28 day >> I should address too just because and again we have a we will finalize this in the design

188once this gets procured as their design engineer but this is also addressing a couple things one these include full fence replacement because just you trying to salvage that fence and redo a whole track is not it's not worth it so it's a new fence new perimeter fence um it corrects the problem which you currently have which is there's a gap right now between the fence and the edge of the track and it's a it's a it's a maintenance nightmare cuz you're maintaining all the kids on the field of grass. >> No, I mean there's like literally a strip of grass >> when you that so this will have a mo strip underneath the fence. >> Gotcha. >> And then lastly, there's one additional benefit to going with the polyurethane. And if you looked at the

189pictures and we just we just did this upgrade at Jess, you can you can color code the exchange areas which is becoming way more common. This is an extremely good upgrade. And the biggest thing is if you are in track competition, this greatly reduces any kind of official error like >> they, you know, the baton didn't get passed in the zone. Yeah, >> this is a huge improvement in the track world >> having these these color and there's no additional cost to doing that with the polyurethane. Well, it seemed to me that that when we did this, when we originally put the track in, um, and you said either one would be would be fine because we're not huge competition, but that >> um, we were attracting some larger competitions because it was the only

190track that had eight eight uh, gains and um, >> that now >> that's capacity. Yeah. >> Yeah, it's capacity. But now probably other other schools and other places have that capacity. >> They have the capacity, but they may also have a better surface. As soon as you go to the polyurethane, you're you would track more of this. >> I mean, I remember my kids running on cinders. >> I did. I did. >> Me, too. >> I did for St. Ansom here and then a little teeny bit in ninth grade, which was the junior high. What was the junior high back then? >> Rejuvenation. The latex is $15 a square foot and the poly is 20. >> Yep. >> A square foot. >> Which my my multiplication is correct. Well, it's 108 for poly, 108,000 for

191poly and 84,000 for latex >> and assume five years for the latex and 10 years for the poly. The time to do it. So you would done it twice. You would do it twice. You have to double the latex number in in current dollar. >> Yeah. Again, that Yeah, >> life cycle costs understand that's important. >> We all we would love to be able to work off life cycle costs. It means usually means bringing more money up front. >> Well, there's also the the situation where you do and don't have access to it for so how often do you want to do that? >> Exactly. Right. You're taking out a service every 10 years. It's every 5 years >> I doubt is close as long as >> No, usually except any kind of like spot

192repairs and stuff you still got to get that 20. You have to get that now. And you can like cone it off and like you could still open it up, but like don't cuz you don't want to get the asphalt dirty >> while it's curing. That's a you know it's a whole another problem. >> So as a guy that like you may may you may have guessed that I don't run very often. Right. So uh but I've been on that track numerous times during football season. Right. It doesn't feel like it feels like every other track I've been on underfoot. What are we doing? Like why like why like why now? you know, is it it doesn't appear bad? I don't know. Like, help me understand that >> it's it's starting to um I don't

193know what the right word is. Flake at the edges. >> Okay. >> It's it's starting to I know that in the spring when we first go out there after the snow melts, there's a lot more >> there's since I started here, there's a lot more big bigger bubbles which go down. >> Sure. like it doesn't but it's what that's telling you though is that the track this cotton surface is starting to separate the >> you also it also means you have saturation and then you have your asphalt content starts to it basically >> degrade underneath >> degrades yeah >> and that's the lifespan it's in it end of it >> and they will go they will go pretty much all at once and that is the sign like when we did that condition study of

19415 tracks the biggest part was prioritization >> yeah right >> they will go fast. >> So that's that was my next question. So what if we do nothing, right? What's the >> is it still $819,000 if it goes bad next year and that we did nothing or >> plus inflation? >> Well, but yeah. Right. I mean, so >> yeah, in this particular case, I would say if we were just talking about a resurface, I would tell you you want to get out ahead of it. >> But no, this is a full depth replacement for So for all intents and purposes, yes, you pretty much would be doing the same thing. It would just be are is it ready for prime time when spring arrives? That would be that would be the only guess. But yes,

195if I was if you're saying, well, we could can't we just resurface it next year instead of this year. That's when you can lose the base. But you're right, for a full depth replacement, it's a full depth replacement now, a full depth replacement in the future, >> right? >> But the track may not be usable in the future, which you may not know until they go like that. >> Right. >> Yep. And then you make arrangements to >> rent out rent out someone else's track. >> And do we have liability? I mean, if we know that this could be deteriorating and somebody gets hurt when they're out there because it's we haven't repaired it, what's our liability for for that, too. I mean, we're public with us right now. >> Yeah. But I mean, parking

196lot doesn't fall out from underneath your feet. This isn't like a WY K scenario, right? Like I mean you know like yeah but like I mean yeah I I guess I I'm just >> struggling with like you know it like it's emergent right like I mean that's essentially what we're saying by doing this right now right there's a lot of money right >> yeah it and it's interesting because we did have this conversation last year and we did decide not to do it. Yeah, I do not think it would have been a good idea to do the field and the track prioritiz. You would have been too too risking being out of service and not being done because the lights were so faint, you know, planes. So, we said, well, we need we need to

197repaint this for this next year. So, that was why we did that. And with the summer projects and everything that you see up there, um I guess I'm asking for permission to continue to work through all of those proposals because those are our priority projects for this summer. And you know, if we're if we're going to get that work done, we need to continue to plan those um to get things set in stone for that that work because there's going to be as many projects potentially as there were last year and we had a lot of those and um I'm happy to say all the I think one are complete. Let me ask a question. So, you know, one of the asks here is that you are a design criteria contract with we have a

198contract with you. What how what is that? >> Yeah. No, so your contract would be with Vasco and it's similar to the way the field was done this last time. you be I think you're buying it through a co-op buying process and they are including our I'm just not technically under contract one that we would want to approve for is with boilers and and designing a boiler in the water system that would go into place >> that's 3.01 1. Is that what we're talking? >> That's what this is. >> 3.1 water system >> resolution for the elementary boiler and water filtration. I got it. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Which we haven't really talked a lot about, but >> Okay, I got it. >> So, this is request approval for the 41k. Is that what >>

199we're requesting? That would be approval for the 41K for you to design it. cuz I kind of >> they're the Lindsy boilers. Yeah. >> Yeah, the Lindsy Boilers. And >> you know, to speed these type of projects up, you know, we've entered a um >> what's it? A master service agreement with with the with the school district. >> Sure. >> So that when and if you pull the trigger on tasks like this that are under 50,000, >> um if you've already you've come to us and you said yes, it's part of your it's you're qualified for it. It's in our, you know, we've proven that it we can start like immediately because we're already under contract. >> Sure. >> It's a task authorization for us. >> Sure. >> So, it does over time, we'll see.

200It should save time and energy and >> Pam. The water treatment was separate for Lindsay and Westwood, but because of us being able to combine those with the boiler, because of the water that's feeding the boilers, that's that's why those two projects were combined, but will potentially be paid out of two different accounts, BI and 07. >> And what's the cost >> right now? Um, >> I got that, but I'm this thing that to be our design criteria >> 41K. That's what I'm That's basically what we're approving. >> Correct. >> Tonight if we approve it. >> That's what I understand. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because you would approve that work until we have >> No. Right. I understand that. I just wanted to know how much >> and then approving for them to go out to

201bed. Yeah. >> Well, that and that's a separate >> Yes. >> Okay. So, >> yeah. First, yes, first we're asking for the design bill, right? >> Yeah. For a contract for a design bill. >> Is there any more discussion about the capital projects? guys do want to ask more questions about this water. I mean I I I do have an additional like so >> so this is what was on you know kind of the the capital allocation right uh I think you know there's a conversation still to be had around what are we doing right you know uh I'm looking at you know a roof you know 1.7 on a roof I'm looking at you know tracker I mean we see a lot of things some of those are ancillary to the core buildings but

202you know like I feel like without the guiding principle of what we're you know our overall direction right it's hard to you know kind of understand those or you know understand the prudence of making these decisions right like for me like one of the things that uh that you know I want to see is high school room refurbishment right it's they're it's in rough shape I assume some of the industrial tech is slated for there or you know for the for that building but their rooms are in really rough shape uh you know like if I were picking right and I guess I this is a time to share my opinion right I'd want to see a renovation effort start in the high school classrooms versus I don't know like you know the track placement

203right you know or something like that right >> if you were going to pick or to start continue to work with that that is all the summer projects that for pricing or >> we said I mean exactly let's differentiate between just going out and getting pricing so they can come back and I agreed like on that instruction, technology, and furniture. It'd be nice to know how many rooms can you do for 400,000 and do we want it to be a little more, right? You know, that kind of question. So, but first you have to go out for the bids. Yeah. >> Um these projects, >> I mean, >> it we did set aside funds for them because and I and and if if we need to, we can have more discussion and I think once

204we get the the bids, then we can come back and have discussion about each and these should be presented individually. >> Yes. with so that we can discuss them individually. To Mark's point, you know, we've talked a lot about, you know, part of the reason we have so much of this is because we did have sort of a plan before our time before three of us that would have negated we wouldn't have needed a lot of this because we were going to have a new building maybe or hopefully. So now that we are not looking at a new building even if that is a plan probably what three four years. So these were prioritized based on the fact that we couldn't wait that long. I think that was but that's but we can have further

205to your point >> right to your to your point Mark though we can have more discussion about that at the time >> right >> it is warm dry safe you know that's a priority when we look at absolutely that's just one year of the five years that we build out with some of the money that was moved to potentially do major projects um we can condense we can talk about is it a pick one or the other but right now that's the money that was allotted for this year to be able to do so that does include partial classrooms. If it's tech, if it's furniture, if it's both, and I will can give you a breakdown of every single one of those from here's baseline, here's a little bit better. And then here's the tech

206and how many rooms we can do. For sure. >> Sure. >> Yeah. And we're we're trying to balance being planful with being responsive. So, right now, we know that um one of the boilers at the high school, we will be coming and talking with you about one of the boilers. The other one is fully functioning. more. Um, we have some ideas. So, we things change rapidly, but I do think it behooves us as we move forward. And to Pam's point, we'll line item these so that we can have conversations because we'll be with a new board. Also, um, garnering your ideas of prioritization as well. I mean, obviously warm, safe, all of those things. we we know we're prioritizing that, but there are decisions to be made in terms of the secondary level to your

207point, Mark. And I think um the more conversations that we can have um in order to not hold us um stayed so that we can continue to work towards a summer project since we're on a timeline in order to get these under bid and then under contract. it it makes the most sense to Pam's point to do them as singular line items so that we can continue to have conversations and you can um choose to not approve things individually and approve things and so we can still move forward um to make our deadlines to make them possible in the summer >> and I think it'd be Go ahead. I was going to say one other thing I point out, Mark, is that you were comparing the uh instruct tech and furniture with track replacement, but

208those are coming out of two different pockets, so you don't trade one for the other. >> Yeah, I I acknowledge that, right, that the fund balances are where they are, but we're still we're still talking about raw dollars here, right? I mean, like >> oil only sort of >> mostly, right? I mean, I mean, it's still dollars and dollars. more important to spend the instructional tech furn furniture money and so we aren't going to do the track replacement gain you anything. >> Well, I'm saying like if but like the the state of the high school classrooms are really rough, right? Like so >> but if that's coming out of instructional furniture >> that could come out of capital too, right? I mean you can make capital improvements to the facade to the to the structures

209of those from 03 over to 070 >> which you can't do >> or or you increment you know the spend in 070, right? Because that's not that's not all of the unencumbered funds in 070. >> No, >> we have like 10 million bucks. >> There's another there's more planned multiple phases and it would be good for you know we have to see it all and we have to kind of revisit that cuz two of the people haven't seen really seen that at all and it's you know and it's it's a well thought and it's it's like it doesn't it's um what do I say? It's not it's not carved in stone. >> Sure. >> It's like it's a it's a moving target. It's like open for discussion. every single line item is open for discussion

210and um you know and and I get what you're saying but you know we look at that list especially the permanent improvement the bus we get you know we've got to keep on a cycle with those right we get that the prek that's got a return >> the money we spend there we're getting back because we're not spending it somewhere else mets and bombs so we've talked about that I mean maybe the cost needs to be looked at I mean I whatever I mean we need to get more detail on that um this this Lynn the water that's new so I'm going to set that aside the teacher devices that's ongoing and then I like you know your instructional I mean I get your point and I think it's a good one you know sprucing

211up these rooms and giving these kids some you know will go a long way and I think it's >> so we'll see what that comes back in terms of when you get details and then the plow truck I we didn't ask much questions but when you bring it back to us for like approval we're going to probably ask questions just to clarify the right course miles, whatever. >> The ask today is is just to say yes, you can move forward in getting bids for these, but we're not we're not >> voting a yes on it yet. I mean, it's it's been talked about and they're there. The only action today that does require us understanding is the $41,000 to spend to get a design criteria >> contract with the Osborne for the Lynn Westwood water

212treatment and >> boiler system at Lynwood Lindsy Lynwood. Where'd they get Lynwood? >> There's a lot there's a lot of Lindsay parents that'll be really happy to see that by the way. >> Maybe that's what I'm thinking. I don't know. Um, >> and I guess I want to know more about that, but what do you guys I mean >> I mean like there's gonna be a lot of people that are happy to see an improvement in Lindsay's water. It's >> uh my my kids wouldn't drink Lindsay water and they have well water that's like literally >> 500 yards away. Right. >> Is it the drinkable water? Is it just water for boilers? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> It's the portable water. It's feeds boilers. Okay. But does it feed? Is it >> Oh, so it's

213not potable. Huh. >> Is it kids, too? >> Yeah. >> And the boilers. >> I care about the boilers, but I care about the kids. >> Yeah. >> I have heard that as well. So, that's good input. You know that. >> I mean, I know our waters tested it and I know it does. It passes. >> But I do I have heard that, you know, >> um >> my house is in the same aquifer as Lindsay. It's not good. It sucks. Yeah. >> It's tough. a whole home filter system along with a filter in the water in the water fountain. So, and I drink the water and but I have well water at my house. So, tastes the same. I >> Well, I think it's important for the public to know what we do, what

214we have for the children and what kind of water and >> doing the best that we can. So, >> the money for the water filtration here >> and that's come up as well. >> Water filtration >> that's part of that too. WWL and water filtration. >> It's for both of them. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Because in one of these packages, uh, it didn't include the, uh, water filtration for Westwood. >> It's a water filtration for Westwood was separate. Um, it is marked at $120,000. It was, uh, the Westwood water filtration replacement project. Um, so >> but if you that was a separate one because we combined Lindsay's boiler and water filtration together because it we want to do those together through this criteria design >> and logistics wise we have to >> we have to

215take the old boilers out with tear wall. Take the old boilers out. >> Okay. So you do they do have it. >> So it's it's kind of like it needs to go together. So under So I see the design criteria. I don't know why I can't get that through my head. Contract with Osborne is for both Lindsay with Westwood water treatment and the boiler at Lindsay. >> No, it's Lindsay um Lindsay boiler and water treatment. We would have a separate bid for Westwood. >> Well, you might have a separate bid, but this this ask says that the contract we're approving. It's just >> Yeah, it's just >> But why does it It says both. >> It does say both. >> No, it doesn't say both. If you look under the >> No, be resolved. It

216has both. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Be resolved. >> Lindsay Elementary. >> So, I just want to make sure I understand. >> Westwood Elementary >> for the >> the recommended action is >> for the criteria >> 46 >> for the design criteria contract with Osbor in the statement for the resolution. It lists both of the projects and but in the blue at the bottom it says the attachments are just for Linsky >> but the resolution is >> you see that >> the the Westwood would be a separate bid package through our water engineer and us going for that specific building. >> so Lind the the criteria design is specifically for because the complexity of the water be water. So what do we what do we make sure >> we're counting on on Osborne for providing

217their expertise for both projects >> just west or just >> just lens just okay so let's take >> we'll take that off and the bullet point is what you're saying >> okay I see that now >> when you need >> and we're guessing that project >> is 240 plus 41 >> well and those those designs will be very motion it's just for Lindsay Sure. >> So, >> you know, I'm dying to ask a question. I just have to. So, we can we can filter the water for a quarter million in those buildings, but we have to spend two 3 million bucks for this for the campus here. Is there that much more water consumption in this this location? >> It's totally two different public water services. Plus, we're talking about replacing all the water lines

218in the entire campus. Uh, so were we talking through the what do we call the caverns or the what is it? No, >> this is just to go from >> this is to the outside spot and the old well to the water filtration. >> Okay. >> Water filtration back to the high school the pump house >> to the middle >> and to the library and to the library. >> No to the pump house. Right. So >> they don't need new paving to the library. >> Right. But then but all the existing plumbing that is in the facilities is remain. Okay. >> Is not it states. >> Okay. >> Did we ever decide what the library is going to pay? >> We're still in negotiation. >> Are we still in negotiation? >> We are. >> Okay.

219Good. That's separate. >> There's a couple things. >> Separate issue. Okay. And that would be held in executive session. Um, so 41 to Mark's question, in addition to the 240 and the 41,000 for Osborne is not included in those estimates. >> No. >> Okay. >> Any more discussion? Any more? >> When you're saying 240 there, that's both of them. >> Those are very almost identical. >> 120 each. >> 120 and 250. 250 for the boiler and 120 for the Lind water. >> But this motion is just for the the design. >> Correct. Just for the design criteria contract. >> Yeah. Are we ready to move on? All the discussion done? Okay. We'll move on with the resolution then. Go ahead. >> Are you done? Well, are you >> Well, I was just going to say

220uh I'll move for resolution 46 that we uh retain Osborne Engineering for the elementary boiler and water filtration summer projects. Sign criteria for the Lindsay Elementary boiler and water filtration project. >> Thank you. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Take the role, please. Any discussion? Sorry. Any further discussion? Take the role, please. >> Mrs. Naylor seconded that. >> Yes. >> U Mrs. Clayool. >> Yes. Mrs. Naylor. >> Yes. >> Mr. Vidmar. >> Yes. >> Dr. Beers. >> Yes. >> You want to do it or should I? >> All right. Resolution 47047 to approve advertising and receiving of bids for 2026 summer projects. So >> move Do I have a second? >> I'll second it. But what is this one about? >> This is this list? Yeah, >> this is for that list

221to go on and start the process of getting bids. >> Can you can you send us this as well >> for those projects? >> But they will be coming back to us for approval individually separately. >> 47. >> Yes. >> Okay. Isn't that the um for the >> Yeah. 47 is the approval for the water to go out for beds for the two water projects that you just approved for Osborne. >> That's okay. And the next summer projects, >> yes, the next line item would approve the going forward with the bid project for summer projects. So, this next vote will just approve the bid packaging to go out for bids, not proposals, bids for uh the water filtration and the boiler at Lindsay and then the water filtration at Westwood. >> But how can we

222go out for bid if Osborne has >> done their work of developing criteria? >> Um that they developed that criteria that that will be posted out for bid. We will walk with Dave Peterson on the information that we've kind of already gotten to look at specifics with bid for Westwood. So Dave Peterson will be working with us with Westwood. Um Osborne will be working with us to fill the criteria to go out for bid, but we needed to approve us to to contract the criteria design and then go out for the bid to give you guys that what that cost is going to be for the project. Is this how we did it for or did we do a two-step process where we picked first picked the the design criteria p company Osborne and then

223they came and then we gave approval for bids. >> You mean for the bar treatment? >> Yeah. That's how we did it >> all at once. >> Well, no, we did Osborne. We approved Osborne and then we um came back and brought the bids for that. This is putting it because we approved Osborne, then they submitted their contract. We didn't have a cost. I didn't want to do that. that I wanted to make sure we had that cost associated with what we were going to get for that design, that criteria design for the boilers and the water treatment. Um, you know, for that and we have entered into that master agreement with them that they could be our architect engineer under $50,000 for that criteria, >> which would eliminated us going out for what we

224did with Osborne for the water treatment. >> I mean, either way, they still have to come back with the bids. Are you okay with >> Yeah, I was just also trying to figure out what the difference was between 47 and 48. 47 is that we're going to get the bids. 48, resolution 48 is that we're approving those projects and then you can just go ahead and do them. Is that correct? >> Yeah, but we're not going to do that. >> 48 is approving other projects. >> Yeah. Right. >> But there's a whole list >> all 47 and 48 together >> because some of those are consortiums and some of those are bid. These are actually bid components. The other projects that we are looking at are based out through consortium pricing. It is all pre-

225bid for the lowest dollar and then they give us the cost. For example, like the the the parking lots um the track is kind of that it's a consortium through Vasco and cooperative buying. Um >> but but this this is not worded before we get ahead of ourselves. They're separate. So 47 is simply for the um >> Yeah. Okay. >> So should we any other discussion on that one? Let's move ahead on that one cuz 48 I don't think is worded correctly. >> Any any question? Did we already we had the motions and everything so we should take roll call, right? >> Yeah. Do we take the role? >> We are taking the role on the motion to approve resolution 47. >> Okay. >> Mrs. Levvenworth. Yes. Mrs. Naylor. Yes, >> Mr. Vidmar. >> Yes,

226>> Dr. Beers. >> Yes, >> Mrs. CL. >> Yes. >> Now 048 says resolution to approve the 2026 summer projects. We are not I mean we can vote I guess but that's wasn't the intent. Now the intent would be to have a resolution so that you could go and get uh bids for those. >> That's what I understood. I don't have all the information. Yes. through the >> way this is worded right now. Karen >> 48 is just giving the authorization for Scott to seek bids and then come back to you after the formal bid process is in place and you would then sign a contract. So you have to go through the bidding process on these. >> But that's not what >> So we need to amend the we need to amend the resolution

227to say like because it it's we're saying we approve the projects here. >> Yeah. >> You're approving the advertising and receiving of bids. 48. >> It doesn't say that under 48, Karen. It just says resolution. >> Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. On 47. So 48. >> Um, >> that's just a list of projects. So I think what we can do is you can table it and have each one come back to you. Um or you can I mean cuz I think there's still not discussion or decisions from the discussion that said you know yeah we're doing the roof yes we're doing the trap um and we'll do a f you know we're going to do a forecast here in February that's going to give you some additional operating funds and where we are so you

228can pick and choose which ones you want to move forward with or you can um and take out the ones that you're not you're not sure about cuz I mean preschool renovations have to happen. Some of these have to happen. So, um or you can ask him to seek, you know, quotes would be another way to do that. >> These could all wait until February. I was going to say I would rather see a resolution at our next meeting that asks for permission to go ahead and get quotes and bids and stuff on these projects on this list that you would deny me going further into finding pricing and putting together these projects. >> No, that would just be a normal work product, right? Like I look into stuff and get pricing and come back

229to it, right? I mean I I >> am table this resolution. through. >> I think that's the best way to handle it is just table this lunch and stop working. We're not doing the roof. I would not do that. >> We can just >> Well, nobody's made nobody's raised the motion, right? So, >> we just don't even need to make >> Yeah, the parley pro is like there's Yeah, there's nothing to discuss. And and one reason also to table it is I think the decision on the water treatment plant and scope of that of the facility may have a bearing on what you do in this going forward. >> Agree. Okay. >> So do we need a motion? >> And we don't need to do anything special to table it, right? >> No. Unless we

230start discuss the motion. Okay. >> Keep working. >> Yeah. Um I I the discussion on district goals I'm going to suggest that >> move that to February. >> I'm going to suggest that we move that and um if we need a separate meeting we might have to have something like this. >> Sure. >> I think this is very effective and I think this is probably what we will we'll do. So, um I I'd like to before I close announce the next board meeting is a regular board meeting on Tuesday, February 17th, 2026. The board office community room 8615 Cedar Road, Chester Lind, Ohio 44026. >> At 6:00, right? >> At 6:00. Thank you. Do I have a resolution to adjurnn or I have a resolution to adjurnn. Do I have a motion? >> So moved.

231Second. >> Any discussion? Take the role, please. >> Mrs. Naylor, >> yes. >> Mr. Bmar, >> yes. >> Mr. Beers, >> yes. >> Mr. Be it resolved that the board of education of the West Local School District hereby adjourns this meeting at 6:56.