001town drive or it wouldn't come up. >> So that's why when I took that screenshot, >> you know where Chili is on the corner by >> Yeah, that's Town Drive. >> Yeah, it's right behind there. There's a rusty taco >> and it's the building is split. One half is now pizza and the other half is >> I'm like where is town? >> Town drive >> by the mall. >> It seems like a park. It doesn't seem like >> it's next to rusty taco. in the card. >> Oh, >> okay. to call to order the um Beaver Creek Board of Education session meeting. Would you please call the role? >> Mr. Boon >> here. >> Mrs. Hunt >> here. >> Mr. Morrison >> here. >> Mrs. Reggano >> here. >> And Mr. Taylor >> here. >>
002Please stand for the pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> I need a motion and second to approve the agendas presented. >> So move. >> Second. >> Any discussion? Please call the vote. >> Mrs. Hunt, >> yes. >> Mr. Morrison, >> yes. >> Mrs. Organo, >> yes. >> Mr. Taylor, >> yes. >> And Mr. Boo. >> Yes. >> And I need a motion to second to approve to dispense with the minutes of the regular board meeting minutes. >> So move. >> Second. >> Any discussion? Let's call the vote. >> Mr. Morrison? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Reggano? >> Yes. >> Mr. Taylor? >> Yes. >> Mr. Boon? Yes. >> And
003Mrs. Yes. >> And we're to new business items for board discussion. >> Yes. So tonight, uh, we've asked the board to come together to get an update from SHP. SHP's been, uh, really in our community for the last few months, uh, working to gather information and they are also here to gather feedback from the board about the master facility process. So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Jeff. >> Good evening, board. Very happy to be with you. to see you again. Got some teammates with me. This is Jennifer Naylor. >> Hi, >> Charlie Janigan. All three of us with SHP and MCS. Thank you for your time. [snorts] This always makes me [laughter] >> All right. Our goal is to [cough] come. So, our goal tonight is to give you an update.
004Thank you, Jen. Um, on what's been going on, right? So, we're going to talk about some current details. I apologize for the color on the green. Um, we're going to talk about current details. We're going to talk about some options. Um, we are going to talk about efforts to date and then we're going to kind of open it up for feedback from you all uh and insight. So hopefully this will >> that is a bad sign. I have the presentation on my phone, but that probably wouldn't be big enough. >> Just fine before the meeting. Just saying. >> That's how it always works. >> Here we go. >> I'm gonna just stand here and hold this board for >> That's fine. Yeah. Y >> All right. So, we'll jump into current details. Um just as
005a refresher, this is the the plan that uh was taken to the voters previously in 24 and 25. Um it totaled at the time a cost of 265 million and it featured a new high school campus down on the Alpha Bel Indian Ripple roads. Um it also had gymnasium additions at three of the elementary schools. um in today's dollars with a roughly 5% inflation that today if we were to buy it the same thing today be 279 million. So you know every every year we wait it it increases the cost. Um a little bit about enrollment. This is the um enrollment projection from 2023. So you can see down there in the bottom right, it was projecting in 10 years in the year 2033 an enrollment of 88.27. Um the district has updated that enrollment
006and it is it's gone down a little bit. The growth has slowed but still growing at 8408. Um and that's for the year 203536. Okay. Um so from there we took that uh projected enrollment of 8405. We've got roughly current enrollment of about 8250 um currently and um we've added a 5% what we call a planning cushion um because we don't want to build it we don't want to design the solution too tightly and get in and realize that we're out of space. So we're just trying to find a little extra room. So that 5% uh that brings us to 8828. Does that make sense? >> Okay, great. Um this is this slide endeavors to um explain your buildings and their capacities and their projected enrollments. So the vertical columns are the grade levels, the
007horizontal bars are the buildings themselves. Um so you can see in the K through5 category we have a district-wide capacity of 395 and we have a projected capacity of 3720. All right. Um that these numbers do not include the the trailer classrooms the the mobile classrooms that are on at Maine Trayvine and Fairbrook. Um, so we're a little under capacity in 10 years at the K5s, but then when you transition to 6 through 12, that's where the picture begins to change a little bit. So we at at 6 through 8th grade at the two buildings, we're over capacity by just a little bit. Um, and then for the 9th through 12 building is where we really get the issue. Uh we have a capacity of 2118 and we have a projection of 2777. So we're
008over by over 650 well 660 students districtwide. We're over capacity by rough almost 500 seats. Okay, [snorts] any questions on that? It's a lot of numbers on that slide. I apologize, but that we want to paint a clear as a clearer picture as we can. So, um, according to Bradley Payne, your, um, financial advisor, we, um, roughly a hund00 million of revenue equates to 1.9 mills, right? And that's that's all I'm going to say about millage and and cost. Uh, I wanted to to give you this number just so that it will create some context for you as we move forward. [snorts] All right. So, 100 million equates to 1.9 mills. Um, and now we're going to get into the options and variables. Um, Paul had a great analogy of call it's kind of being
009like a menu, right? So, first we need to figure out what's the main dish that we're going to select. Um, this is my favorite Waffle House menu. So, are you doing steak and eggs or are you doing waffles or what are you doing? Right? So, we did a lot of studies around what some of the solutions might be. Um, there's 11 here. There are several others that aren't on the screen. We really tried to think about how do we how do we in a very surgical manner address the capacity challenges in the district without going beyond that what's the what's the most measured response we can put in place um so we began to unpack those solutions it became evident that if we were to relieve the capacity issue at at the elementarymentaries it could
010help us um so we studied the prospect of removing um kindergarten from the elementaryaries to help with that capacity number. You you recall we were a little tight. Um I think the number was 185 seats [clears throat] under capacity. So that would give us a little more room to breathe if we took kindergarten out. The other approach would be to take the fifth graders out of the elementary schools. Uh and there's two ways to do that. We can either create a pair of parallel 56 buildings and a pair of 78 buildings. This particular example shows the 56es being at Trayvine and at Shaw and the 78s being at Ankeny and at Ferguson. The other option would be to create create three fifth through 8th grade buildings. Um, so we would take Ankenany, Ferguson, and Koi
011and make them fifth through 8th grade buildings. All right. So, we've we'll get into this later, but we we did discuss or we discussed these options in a few different surveys and focus group conversations. So, we'll have a little more insight there. Um if you kind of take the K the elementary school out of the conversation um to add capacity at the middle school, we could still do that um conversion of Ferguson into a middle school facility. Right. So that would create three um three middle schools. All right. The next piece was relieving capacity at the high school. Um there are two ways to do that. we could do um a me I'm going to call it a measured addition at the high school of about 300 seats and keeping Ferguson as the freshman hall.
012Um or we could do a larger addition at the high school of roughly a thousand seats and that would allow Ferguson to be used for something else. So that essentially brings all 9th through 12th grade students under one roof. they're all in the all in that building so you don't have any more transfers across the parking lot. Um it gives you the opportunity to create what we call future ready classrooms and we would also be able to create a secondary dining space for the students because when we get that many kids in the building we need to expand the core support spaces as well not just add more classrooms. All right questions any questions on that? >> All right. Um this is a quick study kind of a proof of concept as far as where
013the solutions might go. This is that smaller student edition. Um hopefully you can discern that that is the high school campus. So we kind of put it on the southeast corner of the building. Another option or an option for the the bigger addition is essentially to expand the building to the east into what you would call the the band practice lot, right? The band parking lot. Um so let me >> Okay, you should be good with the windows unit out. >> Awesome. Great. Thank you, Charlie. All right, so you can see here um this is that larger 10,00 student 1000 seat edition. So it would be three stories. it would essentially fill that band practice lot. So that creates an issue of where does band practice now, right? So you can see in the image
014on to the right, we're creating a synthetic turf field, practice field, so that band practice could occur there when it needed to. We could also have athletic practices on that field. Uh and you you see the kind of gray blocks that are surrounding that practice field that is replacing the parking that we have displaced by this addition. Okay. Again, this is just a proof of concept. There's a lot of details to work out, but this begins to indicate that it's doable here. Questions on this? >> Um when far the parking goes, >> does that amount of parking around the ball field, does that match what you're losing. >> Yeah. >> Or is it greater than? Hopefully greater than >> it. What I've illustrated there matches what we're losing. >> Okay. >> Yeah, it's a good
015question. You can see there's room to expand to supplement that if if you choose to. >> Yeah, good question. >> Questions on this? >> Is that a courtyard? >> It is. Yes. Yep. So, >> Green space. One of the primary reasons we do that is because we'll be building up against existing classrooms with windows. So, not only do we have to create a degree of fire separation in the building, but we also have to maintain daylight into those classroom spaces. All right. Um the thought is though that in this particular image that the lower level would be kind of a dining space that could open onto that courtyard appropriate. All right. So once we kind of select the main course, then we have to decide on the side dishes, right? So there's a lot of
016side dishes that have been under consideration. Um one is elementary gymnasiums. Um where this proposes an a gymnasium addition at Fairbrook Main, Parkwood, and Valley. They're about $5.5 million each. The next uh group of options are high school campus um lacrosse complex about $7 million that would include parking, restrooms, concessions, bleachers, lighting. The other is a 2800 seat gymnasium. That's a big ticketion. So this is a gym similar to if you're familiar with high school. >> So this would be building a whole new gym in the high school. >> Yes, ma'am. And I've got I'm going to get into where that might. So >> okay. >> Um and finally the last at the high school. So instead of to pay lease payments on this. Um thank you. All right. Very good. Um, so the thought
017being there was that we would essentially overbuild the addition by 12,000. the student edition, we would build more classrooms and then we could renovate those now vacant classrooms in the existing building. We can turn those into central office space. Right? So, you're not building new square footage for central office. You're renovating older space in the high school to accommodate central office. Is that clear? Gets a little fuzzy. I apologize. Uh but again, 7 million for that. So drilling in a little deeper, the four gyms at the elementaryaries, they would be very similar, if not equal to, uh what was done at Shaw several years ago. Um secured public use after hours, includes restrooms and storage, right? Um the current gyms double as cafeterias, as you know. Uh it creates more time in the school day
018for PE. It also reduces the demand on the cafeteria space and on the setup and tear down. Right? So, there's a lot of kind of logistical reasons why these make sense. As far as the soccer lacrosse complex, this what we're proposing is putting it in the northeast corner of the high school campus. So, there is room to do that. We'd have to um it would be tight. It would really build out this campus, right? Um, but you can see here we're adding parking all around it. Jean, Mr. Taylor, to your point, we're maximizing parking here. Um, and that white bar adjacent to the field is a sta stadium seating, bleacher seating for a thousand. Okay. Um, that allows times for added practices year round different sports. It also hopefully gets kids home sooner in the
019evening. >> Grassfield, right? Pardon me. >> Grass field. >> It would be synthetic. Is it could be grass, but the dollars currently represent a synthetic field. >> So you can kind of synthetic allows you to get more use. You can get more practices on it, right? >> Um Joanne, to your question about the the big gym, this is where it could go. This isn't necessarily the the only location, but um this proposes it going on the west end kind of out past the auxiliary gym in that parking lot, right? So it would kind of face Dayton Zena. Um so it would be grouped in with all of those athletic facilities that are directly adjacent, right? You know, the and when we think about bringing the freshman from Ferguson Hall, they have their gym over there.
020There's already a gym space there. So when we bring that population into this building, it's going to increase your demand for gymnasium space likely, right? So that's why this begins to make sense. Um expanded time for indoor sports, um practice times, access for winter garden, percussion ensemble. Um there's an opportunity if the district and the community desires for there to be kind of a wellness community wellness function. Maybe there's a walking track or some equipment that would be available to the public. That creates a whole another I'm going to call it can of worms for lack of a better word for how do you how do you staff that? Who's staffing it? Who's managing it? How do you maintain security? Right? All those things. So those are all things that we don't know about. We
021don't have those answers yet, but we just are kind of putting that on the table. Um so that's kind of what the options are and kind of what we've been studying. Any questions on that? >> These options that talking about >> these are did these come from the community or these coming from SHP? >> So they we have we developed them based on our understanding of the enrollment and of and the dis and the community's response to the previous bond. Right? So we kind of rolled up our sleeves and thought what what can we do now? We've taken those options or or aspects of those options and we've tested them and that's what we're about to unpack for you. Okay. So, as far as efforts today, we've had what we call outreach sessions where we're
022we had a meeting with the curriculum improvement committee with the superintendent advisory committee. Sorry, I'm not sure. Trying to be careful. Uh we had focus groups with parents. We had focus groups with community members and then we had a facility forum back on March 12th. Um we did record that forum and posted that on YouTube. That forum was followed by a survey and Jennifer is going to unpack that survey for us here in a little bit. We had over 900 views of the YouTube video and over 260 survey responses. Okay. Um, as far as those outreach sessions, um, these were some of the takeaways, what we asked them, what was the biggest challenge to the to the any future bond issue looking forward, you know, obviously cost and resistance to taxes. Um, public understanding and
023communication. So, communicating the need, you know, why are elementary gyms important, that sort of thing. Um, non-school buyin, uh, community fixed mindset. what we have is good enough, right? It works. Um, and then kind of structural bigger than Beaver Creek funding challenges, right? So, that was a lot of the the takeaways from those outreach sessions. As far as our focus group takeaways, um, the focus groups in were intended to be a little more I'm going to call them qualitative in nature, right? We wanted to get kind of insights and not numbers from them. So we asked one of the questions we asked the groups was if the district were a car, what kind of a car would you equate it to? Right? So the the consensus was it was it was an older Honda Odyssey
024or a Dodge Caravan, right? It was a reliable car. It might have a few miles on it, right? But it's reliable and it's it's roomy so everyone can get in. It's probably doesn't have Bluetooth or Apple CarPlay, so it's a little older. Um, and so we conversely asked the question, what kind of car should we be as a district? So there was some who really wanted to reach for like a Tesla or an Acura. Um, everyone kind of felt like something a little newer, a little nicer and a little more innovative would be appropriate. Okay. So again, a little more qualitative in nature. Um the other thing we asked you know what what do we what's what's the most important thing and we heard consistently that first we have to solve the capacity issue and
025then we do other things. We saw from a previous survey about the prior bond that um there was a lot of concern over the spending that had been assigned to u auditoriums and athletic complexes and that sort of thing. So, um, a, uh, athletic second, capacity first was one of the primary things. The other thing we really began to ask was, "How do you feel about moving fifth graders out of the elementary school buildings?" Okay. Um, and we got some good insight. Um, the parents and the community members really felt the similarly. Um, they felt that moving fifth grade out was appropriate in order to create capacity. But there was a really strong reaction against having fifth graders with eighth graders. So 10 year olds and likely 14ish, right? Um so I think that's just
026kind of a um a general reaction. I don't know that it's founded in anything other than personal experience. Um so the breadth of the kids, you know, those 10 year olds and those 14 year olds. So that was one of the primary takeaways from those focus groups. I think something you'd have to communicate with that is you're not putting fifth graders and eighth graders in the same classroom and there's likely going to be a fifth grade hallway or a fifth grade floor. Those are the things that have to be communicated. I mean, >> exactly. >> We're aware of the difference in their development. You know, >> it's like your elementary K through five. The kindergarteners are one end of the building, fifth graders are another. And to be honest with you, that >> the fifth
027graders are, you know, the little kindergarteners friends. It's amazing at the beginning of the school year. They're taking care of the kindergarteners. It is a perfect relationship. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, it'd be the same thing here. >> Yeah. >> Jen, can you tell us a little more? >> Sure. >> So, this is getting to the the survey results. This was started at the forum and then we put it out and published it all through our different your different channels that Beth helped us get. And this is similar. you had the 791 starts which is similar to that number of views and then you have the 267 actual submissions to the survey. So all of our surveys kind of ask these basic demographic questions so that we can start to break down different groups. So,
028this is telling us how do those uh 267 submissions break down. And you'll see we've only got the 44 community members. It's dominated by the parents at 142 and then the district at 81. So, that's the one caveat as we're going through here is that we do have to remember that the most most of the people who took this survey were parents or staff and they're what we call internal stakeholders, right? They're not the broader community that doesn't have uh a strong connection to the district. Then we asked what age group. It's not really surprising these are in your the age group of the parents that you know have kids in the district right now. Uh so questioning about all these different uh side dishes and the capacity issues that Jeff was talking about in
029the plan appropriateness of all of these different things to get a feel for where people fall on those. So the appropriateness of these classroom trailers for long-term instruction. So you'll see on the right there, if you combine the inappropriate with the very inappropriate, over half of the people thought this is not how we want to do long-term instruction, right? >> If we layer in and strip out where the community is, keeping in mind it's that small subset, there's this big kind of a big disconnect, right? They're not so concerned about these trailers. It it's something that the parents and the staff and the people who are closely connected. So all throughout here, we're going to see these um little magnifying glasses in here. These are areas where there's maybe a difference between uh the stakeholders,
030but we want to make it clear that these would be areas to dig in deeper so that we could really dial in on the community, but these are like the insights that we know these are the hot buttons. These are the places we want to focus some attention and get clarity on. >> Here's where it comes into educating the public. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> Right. So, this was talking about removing kindergarten students, and there was really no difference between any of the different groups. Everyone was all around uh 50% that would be fine, appropriate or or I'm sorry, 50% said inappropriate or not very or very inappropriate. >> Um then we talked about moving the fifth grade students. Again, the stakeholders, they all landed in these same buckets. So there wasn't a a significant
031difference to to pull out how a community member might feel. Right? So we've got most of the people saying, "Yeah, it's okay." But there's a group that are like, "Well, maybe it depends on where you put them." Right? So this is talking about moving those fifth graders. You know, which building configuration do we want? And here in this survey with these 267, you can see it's a lot more split 5050 between a fifth six78 or a five through eight. Um, and so this is definitely something that we want to look through a little bit deeper. Uh, the community, they were even more split, right? They were like, "Oh, we we'll go with that 58 option. I one less building, right? Efficiencies, things like that that a community member might key in on." Uh, but this
032definitely is one we want to dig into because it really does go against all of the the things we saw in all of the other places we talked to people in the focus groups. There was strong opinions about keeping fifth out of the 58 buildings. And in the comments, even in the surveys for the open-ended questions, the people who took the time to add an open-ended response, many of them were about not wanting fifth and eighth grade together. So, if this is something you'd want to explore, we'd really have to to dig into that because there was a lot of very uh gut response kinds of emotions that this elicited from the people we talked to. Uh then we moved on to Ferguson and moving that into a middle school. Again, there was no difference
033really between the stakeholders and you've got over 70% of the people saying that that's fine. uh then how appropriate is to have high school in two buildings right between the uh high school and Ferguson Hall not quite half are saying that that's not appropriate community is less less convinced right they're like well maybe that's okay again they don't understand how these buildings are being used and the impacts it has on education so opportunities to really get the word out about any changes that we might want to make here um considering an addition addition to the high school, which option is most appropriate. So, we threw in the three things like don't do anything, keep everything as it is. Do you want to do that small addition at 300 classrooms or we leaking a thousand foot
034a thousand student edition, right? With the overwhelming response being let's put in a thousand student edition. Uh when you break it down into the different stakeholder groups though and you look at the community, the community is less convinced again, right? Half of the community members were like, "Yeah, okay, maybe." But they had they had more in this you're fine keep it as it is mentality which I don't think anybody is really surprised but it's just the same these things that we have to continue to work to message to get buy in from the larger community about why these things are important to your education. Then we moved on to the the side dishes right the elementary gyms. Does this feel like a need or a want? Um so you did have a lot of of
035folks oh not quite 50% say this is a need. So um you go into the community it's even lower right so this is definitely something where there's not a clear understanding of why that's important that this is an inequity amongst the different elementary schools the intensive labor and headaches and stress on your staff to convert these spaces day in and day out. Um, so this would definitely be something we'd want to put a lot of communication around to to bump that community number back up. And again, remember this is a small sample, so we can't take these numbers as hard numbers. We have to dig deeper and really figure out how we can modify some of the perceptions that people have >> uh regarding the lacrosse and how do you feel like this is a
036need or a want? Um yeah, like 60 62% this is a want, right? Um if you look at the over 65, I pulled this out because we did ask people's ages. If you look at the over uh 65 group, they're at, you know, 50 54% said this is unnecessary. Not just it's a want, but it's unnecessary. So these are the kinds of things that we have to to really um look into. Uh then we moved on to the fieldhouse for the gym at the high school and it's the three options again, right? Do we want to update what we have? Do we want to build a 2,800 foot seat gym or neither? Right? And really there's there's not a lot of distinction here, right? Third, third, third. It's not really very helpful. Um if you
037start to break this down into our community groups, if you look at the community, 50% of them said don't do either one of them. And if you ask just the 65ers, they were at 70%. So again, I don't think anybody is really surprised that we have these things that we have to communicate, but it's just highlighting that um perceptions are very different depending on where you are in your life and what your relationship is to the district. Um this one was a little surprising actually. Um asking about including a wellness center, right? So, it's 30% here said that this is not really what we want. It's not really appropriate. And the community um the 65 and older community was even more inappropriate. Um so, that was just an interesting uh data point to really uh
038try to get some more information on. So, then uh there's an open-ended comments section on the survey, right? like tell us is there anything else we need to know that you didn't uh feel like we asked you about or something really important to you. So these were the takeaways right that a high school edition makes sense but we got to be reasonable about it. We prefer to maintain our current structure. uh there was this general openness to moving the fifth grades around out of the elementary schools, but how we do it is really important and we have to be very mindful of where we're going to put them and how we message that and why we're doing it. Um again reflecting that not much enthusiasm for that combined fifth eighth building. elementary gyms seem appropriate
039and the high school gym could be a a source of contention that you have we have to be mindful of. Um so if we look at the broad picture of the forum uh survey results you know we've got 80% of these survey respondents were parents and staff. So we'd want to try to get a little bit broader. uh appropriate appropriateness of trailers does vary greatly between the community and the broad and the internal stakeholders and this again this repeat of the fifth grade and where we put them. Does anybody have any questions about the survey? >> How does the response total compare to a similar size district like if you were to go to a Centerville or someone similar? >> We would like to see more responses than we received. Yeah. Um particularly in the
040community group. It doesn't it's not statistically representative. Right. Right. >> This the amount of response we received doesn't represent the 50s something thousand people. Correct. >> I mean this is like >> right >> a penny, >> right? It's really difficult for districts to get to that broader community. That is a definite challenge that all districts face. um you know it it requires going into places maybe and spaces that's not part of a t typical district's communication. Um so that is something that that we would like to see if there's ways to expand our reach and try to get into those communities. >> That was my question. How do you get out there to reach a lot of people? Because >> right >> I mean based on the number of people who responded I don't think
041you can make a really qualifi I mean you can't make a major decision based on 200 something people in the community >> reach out on what methods >> right so we sent every we sent it out through the parent square apps and we put it in all of your newsletters it went to your principles and they sent it out into their newsletters there were posts on Facebook Um the YouTube video was out on your channel. It was um >> Bethne. >> Thank you. The Creek Connection mailbox. Did the city like help us communicate that? Did they put on the city socials or anything? >> For that or >> that I mean to me that would have been >> if you make 400. >> Yeah. any of our information. >> We can ask again. >> Yeah,
042I mean >> we want we want more broad information. If >> you make 400 phone calls at random, you're going to get a statistical reliability of within of 97%. As long as you're >> calling just, you know, specific people at random. So that might be a way to get more information. I mean there are you know digital advertising options right that wasn't you know that's another space that could have potential um that that gets outside the internal stakeholder groups um that's a potential uh option as well. >> Yeah I don't know I mean I took the survey because I wanted to know what it said. Um, so you don't want to skew the results, I understand, but there's certain things like, for example, the trailers. When you ask about trailers, there's nothing to say like
043we spend this much money on a trailer versus it would cost this much for a building, you know? So, >> it's it's inherently skewed to a point because people think, well, that building's fine. Well, maybe the building is fine if you're just looking at that, but there's a financial aspect of that that >> maybe people don't understand. >> Correct. >> And probably don't. It's always challenging to try and provide enough education in a survey and not make it so long that people are like, "Boop, I'm out." >> Right. >> Yeah. >> It's always a real difficult balance to find those those places. Definitely. >> And Jen, I think one of your slides I I don't want to interpret your slide, but it was one of the earlier ones I think when Jeff handed it off
044to you, but there was one column that said starts. >> Yes. >> And it had a large number. Yeah, >> but then it said surveys to So is that people who started it but chose not to >> finish. Well, that means they hit the landing page and then they leave. And so that's often the landing page says here's a video from the last forum, right? But then people are like, well, I don't want to watch a video to get educated first, right? So there's this very difficult conundrum, right? How do we educate people so that they can make good decisions on the surveys? How much information do you put in the survey for the people who don't watch the videos? um so that you can get to your point good answers to the questions for
045the people who do take it and then how do you get it to the broader community. So there are um hurdles that surveys have that the many districts face. >> I feel like this is how it's always been here though. I mean maybe I'm wrong but I mean I was on the levy committee before I was on the board and to get meaningful response from our community. I know they care about the schools. I know they like our school, but to get actual responses with actual answers. It was like pulling teeth. We just we just can't get that information from them and then we run a campaign and then we hear we you didn't tell us enough. Well, another thing that's really hard and is super labor labor intensive is it's really challenging to have
046a an event at one of the buildings or and have people come to you. >> Sure. >> Versus going to the Y or um you know wherever the the different community stakeholder groups congregate at different times of day. But it is extremely labor intensive on this group, right? because that would be who would have to go out and really um kind of do this grassroots effort, right? And build that up and try to pull those people in and then build connections and then you you know, it's this network of building um from some of those experiences as well. That would be another option. >> You know, it it is everything that you're saying is is correct. And Christian, what you just said was was genius light to be quite honest with you. If you talk
047to people in the community, why do they live in Beaver Creek? They live in Beaver Creek for the schools. Yes, >> that's number one reason. If you go out there and you talk to people and you mention the superintendent, >> I'm going to tell you, the people in Beaver Creek thinks this guy walks on water. They love him. He's been a phenomen. They love the teaching staff. They they just love everything, all of the opportunities that we give to kids. But when it comes to do we want to pay more money for it, people are nervous about their pocketbooks. >> Yes. >> I mean, it always has been that way, but more so now I think than ever before, to be honest with you. So, >> how you feel? I I I don't know. >>
048I mean, I remember when I was teaching, we put Levies on. It has never changed. Okay. >> [snorts] >> I don't know what the [clears throat] answer is. Yeah, I don't know. >> All right. So, we're gonna transition into kind of where we're landing as far as what we perceive the the viable options to be. Thank you. Um, so here's the first one. Um it essentially creates takes your six elementary schools and draws off all the fifth graders. So it creates six K through4 buildings. Okay. So you can see there that it doing that creates a lot of capacity in those buildings and and creates a lot of opportunity to expand the service offering in those buildings. Um, this particular option has three fifth through 8th grade buildings. So, we would keep Ankeny, keep Koi,
049and then we would convert Ferguson into a fifth through 8th grade building. There's probably some dollars that need to be invested in Ferguson to make that change. Probably some playground improvements, that sort of thing. So, we've got some dollars there to make to cover that. Um, but you can see there that that would If we have three fifth through eighth grade buildings, that puts us just under capacity. So, really close there. The other big piece is an addition at the high school, and this is the 1,00 seat addition. Um, that would put us at capacity. The 27 277 projection that includes Green County Career Center students. So when we draw those out, it creates much more alignment with that 2558 target. Okay. So districtwide, we would be under capacity at 757. Okay. So the good
050thing about this is that it keeps the same number number of transitions. It creates a little little breathing room at your elementary schools. Um reduce 58 transportation time because you got three buildings to get students to instead of two. Um, and then the cons is the the support or the the the commentary we heard about having fifth graders with eighth graders. Okay. So, this when we do the math on this, this totals about $76 million to get this done. This does not include any of those side dishes that I talked about earlier, right? So, this is the main course. Questions on that? Okay. The next one is um to address that those concerns that we heard it creates two fifth and sixth grade buildings and two seventh and eighth grade buildings. All right. Um we
051let's see the other thing that this does is it to avoid building another building it takes Shaw which is currently an elementary school and converts it to a fifth and sixth grade building. Right? So you see there that we now we have five K through four buildings instead of instead of six. All right. Um and then we would convert well Anthony and Ferguson would become seventh and eighth grade buildings. All right. Again, this is still the large addition at the high school level. So that puts us 550 kids under capacity in 10 years. Okay. Similar the same price tag, oddly enough. um for these two options. So, it really comes down to who do we want to be? How do we want to do teaching and learning? What do we think is is supportable? Just
052as a as an effort in an effort to kind of flesh out the options, I did want to put this one on screen for you. This kind of creates a seventh elementary school. We got some comments from the survey. Why don't you just build another elementary school? A building of that is roughly $40 million. Okay, so that that really begins to drive the the cost and there's really not the demand for that space to do it. Okay, but I just wanted to do that to create some context for you. All right. Now, we've we've drugg you through a lot of information, but this is kind of what the math looks like. Um the likely base plan, assuming that one of those two is acceptable, is about 76 million. The elementary gyms is 22 million. That's
053four elementary gyms. A 2800 seat gym at the high school is 28 million. The soccer lacrosse complex is 7 million. And then moving the central office to the high school is 7 million. Okay. Questions? >> I don't have questions. I just have notes about all the things. So I >> Yep. >> Yeah. anything >> in any of the discussions. Did the property on South Alpha Bel the 90 acres did that come up at all? >> There were a few holdouts who thought that that would have been great. We got some of those some comments like that. Um most of what we heard was that it was too far removed from town. Um there were concerns about access and traffic and high school drivers on those roads. Um, that was mostly what we heard as far
054as that goes. Also, the other I think probably the Achilles heel to that was a lot of the site development costs. We had nearly, if memory serves me, I think we had roughly $30 million in site development costs. So, creating playing fields, creating expanding roadways, that sort of thing. Is this a good time just for general thoughts on all of it? Okay. >> I apologize for the several notes, but um per these are just my personal thoughts. Um I think and I think it's shown on the thing. The kindergarten center is not a good call. I don't think it's developmentally inappropriate, but I don't think we should create another transition for our kids, particularly kindergarteners. We're, you know, just starting out. And I think the benefit like Joanne mentioned about having the fifth graders and
055having those older mentors in the building is a huge value to incoming students. So I think that's just not a good call. Um I personally do not like the five, six, seven, eight structure. Um I think it's adding another transition. And while parents might think that they'll like it because the fifth graders aren't with the eighth graders, they're not going to like it when they remember now they have kids in all these different buildings. I don't think they're going to enjoy that as much as they might think right now because they maybe got a fourth grader that they're worried about being in in that building. Um I also noticed that Shaw and Koi would be the option which are both north of town which that creates there will there will be families that will not
056like that um just for transportation and various things. So I think that's a concern that that they should probably consider. Um, I think the 5 to8 build five the three five to8 buildings is the way to go. I think that gives us flexibility with staff and supports too. I think the more buildings you have, the more supports we have to build in and different services for different students. And I think it's more cost effective. Um, I think the the 1000 seat addition at BHS is definitely the way to go. If you're going to add an addition, 300 seems like why bother in my opinion. It's it's not even a full class of our students. Um, I think that that the addition of that full-size field edition, like the practice field, um, is definitely needed. I
057know people who maybe don't have kids in sports or band, might not understand the value of that, but if you're on the high school campus, especially in the spring, there's nowhere to go. There's kids everywhere and they need that space. So, um, elementary gyms are are a must. I know people not everybody recognizes that, but I I had kids at Fairbrook and watching the staff change that room over five times in a day was insane. Um, also there's value in uh buildingwide community time. So, when they have assemblies, if you've ever been in Fairbrook when they had a full school assembly, it's like sardines. It's I mean, honestly, I think it's a safety concern that we shouldn't be doing that. There should be a space where their whole community can can meet together. Um, I
058like using central office in the old space. The high school allows us to offload this financial concern. I know Joy will like that part. [snorts] Um, [laughter] um, soccer lacrosse complex. I love the idea. I know there's a need. I don't think we can sell that to the public in my opinion. Um, likewise, the idea of a new gym, I love it. I'm jealous of Fairborn when I've been in there. Um, I don't think our community will support it. And from what I've heard from those associated with the Fairmont situation where they do that Trent at Trent where they have the wellness center, it's very difficult for the district to manage. It's really not as wellreceived or well used by the community that they as they thought and it's really more of a headache. So
059those are kind of my bullet points of through the plan. >> I mean I have to agree. I mean that my notes say that they do. You can read them. Um I think it's a logistics problem. If you have this wellness center, I don't see how. I mean, while it's a great idea, is a community really going to use it, but I think it's more a logistics problem for the school district. That adds an extra burden to us. I don't see the community buying into a brand new gym at the high school. I mean, I just don't see that happening. But we need them at the elementary schools, those three elementaryaries. I mean, I know what it's like when you have to the teacher has to cancel classes because we have an assembly. So, he
060can't get classes in and it's not fair to the kids. They lose PE. This one lose. It's just not right. So, those three gyms to me are a must. >> I really I mean I have I agree with what Christ just said. I mean, I do. I mean, taking the a kindergarten village that is a teacher to me is not a good idea. Those kids need to be in with the other kids. So, that's my two cents. >> Oh, okay. I'm uh I'm I'm certainly not an architect. Okay, that's for sure. I I want to thank SHP for all their hard work and energy they put into this The one thing that concerns me is several years ago, and so I'm giving you data from a couple years ago, but Beaver Creek High School at
061that time was the fourth or fifth largest high school in the state of Ohio, and it's probably pretty similar to that now. I don't know exactly where it is, but adding another thousand students, I just makes me nervous. Okay. So, are you for Ferguson staying the way it is then and keeping the high school the way it is? Is that what you're saying? >> What I'm saying is having um >> bringing the ninth grade >> having a high school that currently has 2,800 students and making that 3,800 students, >> which brings the ninth grade into the building. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I just want to clarify it >> ju just to be clear the capacity at the high school >> with the addition would be just under 2600. >> Okay. So we current the current
062capacity of that high school is 1558. >> Let me just say we moved the sixth grades out of the elementary. There was a big to do about it. They were concerned those sixth graders were going to be with the eighth graders. Yeah, >> it would worked out perfect and it would be the same thing with the fifth through the eth. >> So, we're just reliving that again. >> So, there are school systems that have kindergarten villages. So, how does that play in those systems? Like a center center, right? >> Yeah. I I think >> they have two now. >> Yeah, they have a primary north and south. >> Yeah. And I think they have PreK1 >> at least there. Yeah, PreK1 I think is correct. Um, so I but I think when it's just the
063kindergarten, it creates in my mind the transition issue is hard. >> It's hard for families, it's hard for PTOs, it's hard for students to kind of gain traction in the building. Um, so I is it doable? Yes, it's doable. A lot of districts do it. Um, I think it it's not without challenges. >> Yeah. I mean, I think what Miss Hunt said, I largely agree with a lot of those sentiments. Um, you know, but the one of the things that I I learned through u getting here, I think we just need to really double down the community engagement in this. I really want to hear more from this. I think that's such a small number to hear with how many people voter in this community who who are impacted. Um so I would like to
064see that number go up as much as we possibly can because we're we're asking them to vote obviously. So u the ways we can do that would would be ideal. Um and maybe even tableabling some of the side things for later smaller bites now because there are clear needs and there are clear wants and you know I think our school deserves a lot of those wants. Um you know I was I was in school in Ferguson. I was pushing the tables. I got home an hour later than most athletes because I was pushing tables back and putting things down in the dungeon afterwards. Um, so, you know, I'd love to see those needs get tackled first. Um, and I think community is going to agree with a lot of those needs, you know, when we
065can bifrocate some of this stuff, but I really would like to see more people answer these surveys in whatever way we can. >> Well, thank you for your time. We really appreciate it. Um, We'll be we're trying to convene over the course of the summer a couple what we call working groups. Um so a staff group, a parent group, and a community group to really kind of un dig into some of the pros and cons of the options we showed you tonight. Um so that's kind of our immediate next steps, just so you know. >> Jeff, we really appreciate you all coming. >> Oh, our pleasure. Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Good to be here. >> Okay, [clears throat] we need a motion, a second. this move. >> So move. >> Here you
066go. >> All in favor? >> I >> All right. Four.