Board Work Session - 9/30/21

001let me know give me the thumbs up okay we'll call to order the meeting this  is the 30th of september 2021 work session   and uh we'll go ahead and start with uh pledge  to the flag which is in the left corner there i pledge allegiance to the flag of  the united states of america and to   the republic for which it stands one nation under  god indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay roll call we have all seven members  spencer warden eric lisa stephen ryan   christina simpson julie fees and on the zoom we've  got mary schilling okay we'll uh that we're ready   for the approval of the agenda does anyone  have a motion we actually do not take action   at sessions so there is no no okay so i sent  out an email uh for

002an agenda and item one was   resolution 2021-11 regarding non-discrimination  teaching the critical race theory uh the format   of the work session we've got that that resolution  up on the wall and i'd like to do is for each vet   board member will sequentially offer any suggested  edits to the resolution you can state them but i   i would like uh after you state them you could  go off and mark them up and if you have things   you wish to add we have uh stickies here you  want to add language to that to extension or if you think of stuff as you're sitting there and then we could have uh open discussion um well  i think what i'd like to do and we'll see how this   works out is get this where everyone's everyone's  spoken state their point

003and edits we have an open   discussion with and that's going to be marked up  and stickies on it and sherry's also capturing   some notes that she hears and then someone in  this case julie would take this offline and based on the inputs go ahead and  put together the editing resolution   that's a clarifying question from there so  once julie does that what's the next step from   there are we going to talk about that after our  discussion or we can't i guess it depends uh you   know it could be that we have it in the form that  it's ready you know someone can take it offline   and someone can put it in a form and then  make those edits and send it out i would say   probably tomorrow in the business or for  saturday and then we

004can review it some of   the people can get back by an email saying hey  yeah that was good or if this wasn't captured   and then have it in a forum such that what's  our legal requirement to have that for public it's on the agenda i think we're already putting  it on the agenda so i don't think that actual   document would be necessary okay yeah there is the  topic that's out there the actual documentation   doesn't start and then you would ideally get  to a final version for the 7th of october's   meeting would we be able to um after the edits  are done would we be able to um converse over   email in that way or is that something  actually has to be done in the morning   because as far as i understand it i'm pretty sure 

005that's something that we have to do in a board   meeting to continue to say hey i think we need to  add this or that didn't capture what i was saying   or something like that um because then otherwise  it's just done over email that's not really the   side of things i just want to make sure we're  doing everything right yeah let's let's see   where we get to the end of the day and we'll go  from there so with that um i would ask that when   whoever's going to speak they will remove their  masks so the video and sound can follow easier   and we can understand more better with that is is  there anyone who planned to go each board member   go ahead and speak individually  does anyone like to go first i i mean i'll go

006just because  mine's really short okay um i would just take the whole thing away based on the  fact that we don't teach it if we wanted to say   ban a book that was a textbook for a curriculum  and it's a number poster it's a graduate program   so if we wanted to find a book or find the book  or whatever the textbook is and say we can't use   this book that is one thing but there's  so much of this that makes it harder for   our teachers to teach in any capacity we've  heard that a lot from that i and one i mean   to replace the resolution 2020-09 that's a  non-starter i think at least for me and um   if we if we just took it all down and said we are  not going to allow we

007do not want this book this   textbook for this curriculum taught in our schools  that we don't do now anyway that's a completely   different story i'd be fine with that but um for  me i would change all of it so two nothing or the   book that we think is the problem because it's not  it's not something that we teach in our schools so okay thank you um i'll go ahead and go next we're  done here sure um so i have some opening comments   and then i also have some uh suggestions on the  resolution that we're speaking about right now   um so i'm just going to kind of read what i  typed up earlier today these are just some of   my thoughts on kind of where we're at right now  as a school board um and what

008i'd like to see   um in the future as we work together um so in  a time of history we're working together as a   school board and navigating ideas and topics which  should be focused on what is in the best interests   of students and families we are now concerning  ourselves with extreme and seemingly politically   driven agenda items in my opinion the main focus  of any individuals who are elected to serve on a   school board should be connecting students  and families to their schools and building   much needed trust between the two parties there  is no room to build trust when the topics being   discussed create more divisiveness stemming from  ideologies of those who are elected to serve   we need to focus on how to bring  people together not farther apart   we need to focus on safe schools

009for our  students staff who feel supported by us and   the administration team current involvement in the  district's connection to partners in our community   we also need to focus on coming together as a  board to discuss our differences of opinion in   a respectful way that highlights each individual's  perspective while agreeing to disagree what is the   point of addressing topics that we may feel are  in the best interests of our students and families   if in turn it creates a non-productive environment  that inhibits the work our families have entrusted   us to do i would like to advise all my fellow  school board members to take a step back   strive to be open-minded and focus  on building ourselves up as a team   in order to best serve our students and families  how can we expect our students to come

010together   and accept each other if we who are elected  to serve cannot do that amongst ourselves   on the topic of critical race theory when  forming an opinion about critical race theory   it is incredibly important to do research based  on non-political sources it's my understanding   that this curriculum is not currently being taught  in our schools and i am unsure why this has become   such a main topic of conversations time instead  of focusing our attention on the most pressure   pressing issues at hand such as supporting our  students mental and emotional well-being and how   to support them through this pandemic regardless  of anyone's personal viewpoints related to the   implementation of critical race theory and the  mass community our resolutions do not supersede   state mandate or state law our time should be  spent on topics that promote true change

011and are   unfortunately at times ineffective if not backed  by the current direction received from the state   if no true change is implemented and all  we are doing is voting on whether we agree   with the current decisions being made at the state  level then what is the purpose behind addressing   the topic at hand in the first place i am worried  the current actions taken by certain school boards   will lead to the creation of certain policies that  tear apart the hard work our local tribes have   dedicated time to such as the implementation  of the sb13 curriculum in our schools   being a cochlear tribal spouse another  to three enroll profile tribal children   is important to me that we bring light to certain  strategies that affected those who came before us   if this resolution passes i am fearful our 

012connections and partnerships with our local tribes   will be negatively impacted and i cannot support  that we have tribal children in our schools who   deserve to feel supported welcomed and embraced  by the established policies that distributed by anybody else so i'll go next um so unfortunately  stole a lot of thunder from a lot of us i'm sorry i mean i have talking points i just you know  and that was very well spoken i appreciate that   um and i i do this resolution to me well with me  in some aspects to me it's just was basically it   didn't it didn't get in the details that i would  like to see more or less um it just spoke about   critical race theory which is a broad subject and  there's a lot of tenses to it stuff like that

013um   and to me that that just also kind of lends into  us slippery slope i mean we implement something   like this it could have a lot of negative  effects to staff and students and so forth in   this community um it's it's too it's too broad  to implement and and to ban um i mean it's not   it's not defined let's put it that way it's  it's just you know and and like eric said and   you know it's we have to have a book or something  that's concrete in there that you know to   have out there to kind of um you know it's  a lot of solidify and have some validity we don't teach it within this the school district  um i know we've used it in the past for staff and   so forth but it was

014a mandate and so that's just  what it was and um you know we have a resolution   a little bit out there but that's with them on  hundreds of thousands of other school districts   they're doing the same thing because it's just  the nature of things that we're going through   these days and so forth and we just you know  it's it's not like those those programs are you   know basically you know shutting other kids doing  other things it's just bringing the lights some   things that we have to deal with you know in  our society so and and banning crt i think   it's just gonna tie our hands and actually go  down this this road that we really don't need   to and we could lose good teachers really good  teachers it's not in a financial aspect but an  

015intellectual property you know if you go to  other school districts that are not in crp so   i just to me it's just it just seemed if we were  to do something we need to redo this entirely and   take out critical race theory and recall something  else if there's an issue that we're finding okay thanks steve next we would like to speak i'll go ahead and go um uh so for me i didn't  have any prepared remarks like christina she   uh that was fantastic um uh i i i agree with  everything that's been said so far um i think   that if if there is i'd like to actually have a  little more discussion dialogue when that comes up   um because depending on what the  issue actually is i i don't think this   potentially if there is

016an issue with what  the issue is i'd like to understand that a   little bit more but but i don't think  this would actually address the issue   at hand if depending on what that might be um from  what i my perspective or my perception might might   be what um what i perceive it could be um i don't  think this address that i think what this does is   it ties our hands in more ways it creates more  problems than it does solutions and so i i don't   i don't feel like we should pass a resolution  of this resolution that at all now it's written was there any suggested edits or not uh  no right now just take it off the cable julie or mary uh i can go ahead i've  got some um prepared comments i'm   um

017thank you for all of your  comments that have been made so far   um one of the things that is near and dear to  me is that we must treasure our children um   i want to just make sure that there's not a  racist ever effort to divide and conquer by race   by calling it something else which could be some  some of them because we're saying crt is not there   but it's called lens of racism fighting uh  structural or systemic racism racism and um   one of the things that um in the ideology  of crt as they're under different names   equity and are racist culture responsive etc we  do know that within the last year we have had   uh training that has made uh some people very  uncomfortable um that that's just a fact um furthermore um i

018think this whole what do what  do you want to call it whether you want to   call it crt or not uh it's aimed at stirring up  racial hatred resentment division and conflict   um from that flows the premise that america who is  actually among the least race and racist nation on   earth is um and stating that it's systemically  racist that that is just wrong so i have um   and furthermore uh dividing children by the  color of their skin and maybe we we haven't   done that so far in the north bend school  district but some of the training for um for some people that work in the district  actually that has taken place and   i have had i've talked to people and they're very  uncomfortable about it and they were made to feel   horrible so i don't

019want to completely get rid  of this resolution i'd like to maybe when we're   ready to go through some items that people  might feel more comfortable about changing   but i don't want to discard  it all together thank you all right thank you yeah mary pretty much said everything i was gonna  say okay good job mary um and i really appreciate   you too christina that was really great um that  was very well ripped and very well spoken i   really really truly appreciate that um i would  like to anything that i would like to see   would be the terminology taken out that is um divisive or maybe a hot button or something  like they could have erased theory   terminology but i don't want to remove  anything that will leave room for um uh i'm tired guys um kind

020of racial type of  discrimination um i want to make sure that   nobody is discriminated against i don't care  what color you are or where you come from i want   to make sure that all students and staff are um  have no grounds for being the provisiveness at all so i would like to remove the terminology  that is divisive and i get it um   that was something that was brought forward to  me from uh concerned citizens in our district   and yeah this is my first rodeo i've never done  india's before it was a little aggressive um but i'm not backing down from  the idea that i don't want any discrimination towards anybody  but also i think that is a person   a person's issue and their own being um and i  think they have to learn how to

021address that   in their in their own personal growth and  yes we do need to look towards mentors   um to get that information to grow we all grow  we all fall down we're all you know fall short   and and make mistakes and we all say stuff that  like wow i know i regret that and i have said   things that i've said to others when i was like  you know what i want to apologize for that that's   not who i want to be um so there has to be room  for forgiveness there has to be room for grace um   and mistakes and we grow we take the manure of  life and turn it into fertilizer and grow so   anyway i edit yes but taking that off the  table completely no um finding some different   terminology but absolutely

022no discrimination on  any means anywhere but also i don't want to allow   room for elevation of one over another  so um that has to be addressed as well okay thank you great comments from warren  thank you for uh open and transparent   uh feedback i guess uh it's been said that it's not in it's not  in the curriculum and that's true it does   not appear in the work then um i guess  i do have a concern based on training   that was delivered to the classified  personnel back in november of 2020 where those seven items that  are in there were were violated   so i do do have some passion around  that and that we want to remove   the critical race theory part that is divisive  you know i'm okay on that but the training that   was delivered

023uh did make people i would say  to say it was uncomfortable for those people so yeah i would recommend  making some edits to that okay that's that's all i have and i was  speaking as a as a boardroom of course okay so now the the open discussion part  so i essentially i hear a problem with   four four that are saying  four board members understand   don't want it at all and i've heard three that  would like to make some some edits to this yes listening to everybody and i think everybody  had awesome things to find out julia i think   you're absolutely on the right track there's  not one person in this room that thinks that   racism is a terrible thing this just doesn't  address racism and as a whole this is this is   right i think

024i think i think that most of this  when we start taking out like the critical race   you break down a ton of this just  gets kind of taken out we break down   and we make a resolution that says we will not  we are not going to allow racism of anything   for any person of any color of any sex of any  sexual orientation or religion this is this is not   what we do in this in the north school district  i think we're all going to jump in absolutely and i think that it could be it could be about  three three paragraphs out of everything that's   in there but i think that we understand we all  agree that this is not something we want to see   in our school district in any way in anything and  we

025tried to say that in one way back in 2020 in   october when we passed 2020-09 equity in inclusion  and equality are not gracious principles they're   they they're applied for healthcare they're  applied for school they're applied for   law enforcement applied for a bunch if we can  break this down to the basic tenets that we   all agree with the racism sucks and we won't have  anything to do with it this is a this is this goes   through in a second the crt aspect of it makes  it to the point where it's like this is fight   over something we both technically kind of agree  on we just don't agree with how it's being said   and i think we can get there i think listening  to what everybody had to say we can get there   thank you i agree

026um so i'm actually better at  open discussion so i appreciate that thank you um   i did look up the oregon department of education  student every student belongs resolution template   where it has certain aspects that were interesting  to me um and it so this is open discussion   and i pulled this off of the oregon school  board or oregon department of education and   i printed it off so for open discussion because  i don't completely totally understand it um i'll just skip down to where it says  whereas members of the district place   whatever school board recognizes that race has  long been a determining factor in how children   experience school whether they have what  they need to reach their full potential   and whereas healing must begin with acknowledging  passing current harms including describe locate   state parks whatever um to

027address critical  inadequacies sorry i can't say that that exists   across the u.s that schools will continue to  perpetrate without proactive implementation   of anti-racist policy and practice name any known  issue locally or once you'd like to know in oregon   and whereas you must proactively prevent these  farms with strong mentors that ensure equality   such as analyzing and adjusting um our current  system policies plus and it just goes on so   what does that mean i think it could mean a number  of things and for a number of people depending on   the population that you apply it to right so why  does it say i mean specifically why does it say   we have to recognize that race has  been a determining factor on how   it just seems like it's putting a focus on any  individual particularly of race and

028it doesn't   even matter what race and zeroing in on that  it seems like to me and my misunderstanding   i i think what i think what i don't think you're  misunderstanding or i think it's big enough   in there that it makes a confusion but  depending on the area in which you live   right so say you live in a more urban area  but this is north banks this is north america   this is this is north bend so we don't necessarily  have a large pocket we're a fairly homogeneous   population i have a lot of white foods um but does  that make us racist no not inherently no any no   i didn't think it did it doesn't no  it doesn't inherently make us racist   there are pockets of population bases and  it doesn't necessarily matter in this case but

029say use the native  american population right there approach or or how they might see the school  system from their perspective it might look   like we don't care to uh give uh appropriate time  to the strife and the oppression that they had to   feel in their own area this is their spot right  this is their home not ours back then and that's   how they feel and they should have every right to  feel that way we should be culturally competent   enough to say we understand is really what i what  how i feel that is what they're trying to say is   a cultural competency of understanding that this  place wasn't inhabited by white folks initially   they believed that this is still their area which  we should understand and we give them grace to   understand that we we know

030that that's the case  there's places i've been in conferences where   there is a blessing from someone from the tribe  because the land is initially native american land   that's some cultural competency right then that's  not saying we're racist we're saying we understand   that there's a history here and we don't we're  not living in an urban area but in urban areas you   have pockets of the population that are primarily  black that struggle both so socioeconomically   educationally and a number of things that provide  barriers to how they learn and that's that's where   these templates are built such a vague manner  you can use them to apply it in anyone there   north vancouver mostly white fairly homogenous  area doesn't mean that we're racist no   but we should be culturally confident  enough to understand what came with us a little

031farther it says we affirm our equity  policy are working to write an equity policy um   and renew it commitment renew its commitment to   anti-racism equity and access  in education as a core value i was i'm trying to look up this is this  is exhausting looking up the definitions   of all these words and i found all of  this information following the labyrinth   of links to the oregon school board  association and so i looked up equality   in the equality literacy institute the 10  commitments for equity literate educators   um says i will um understand the socio-political  context of schooling i must be willing to see and   understand the bigger this is so much information  um i will not confuse equity with universal   validation i will resist simple solution to  complex problems i will work with and in service  

032to marginalized communities i will reject deficit  ideology i will prioritize equity over peace   um so what do you want about looking at this  what is your own personal definition of equity   i didn't know i've never heard the term equity  will be like i'm okay not gonna lie my personal   view of equity is all men are created equal and  when i say the word men or man i mean the human   population are all completely equal there's nobody  above or beyond above or below anybody else um i   don't care if you're the president you're still  a freaking human being i don't care if you're the   king of whatever country you're still a freaking  human being y'all are we all equal okay we all   never none of us make it out of life okay we all  have bodies

033we all live and breathe and we all die   um well equal that's it that's my definition  of equality so that doesn't line up to what   i was reading here so that's why i had to  look i'm like i don't know this definition   that's a perfect definition of equality equity is  different than quality and that's the thing that   does get you know i don't think it's interesting  equality is absolutely right everybody starts   here right everybody's on this line equity  adjusts for the people that are on either   side like equality is the only adjustments  there's no adjustments there's no equality   no but they're different so we all have the same  you can say we all have the same opportunities   right but there are certain poor pockets of the  population doesn't matter what color you are   there are

034certain pockets of the population that  can't get to the same level as everybody else   because there is an inequity in whatever part of  their life they have finding that inequity and   equaling it out brings them up to where everybody  else is it does it depends on what it is it means   and then fix it i mean give me an example well  there's there's a very there's a famous picture   and i and i don't have a dry erase board  but there's i guess can i use something   i use some paper okay so there's  this there's this picture and christina i'm sorry you're for free yeah  everybody's boxed that's what you can see   over the fence everybody's boxes everybody got a  box that doesn't mean you can see all the stuff   that's gonna be able to fit

035underneath  the branch better than you like that's is that just because you have a box doesn't  mean you still can see over the fence   so there's a difference between a quality under  the fence and you can't not if it's a not if it's   a solid fence with with tight slats and it's all  the way to the ground you can't see on the planet there's just no way around it the premise is that  just because you have everything equal doesn't   mean that it's actually helping anybody out so  that's the difference in theory between equality   and equity i get that part honestly that has never  been an issue in my entire life until i became a   school board member never heard of it never even  had a problem with it if there's people in it if there's

036people that are having struggles  personal struggles or whatever struggles   because of where they are what is it is it where  they live is it who their family is is it the town how much food they have i mean i mean in  this community we have a lot of systemic   power and it's not necessarily racial it's social  economics and we've got generations we've got a   lot of kids are couch surfing between cars there's  a lot of kids and i talked to someone about haste   score and stuff like that which is kind of  like you've got all these disparities against   you as a child growing up you got you know parents  footballs and views all the stuff and that kind of   basically and not just individuals you're talking  about a macro aspect living in this there's it's  

037statistical it's all exactly the same there's  a chance that person is going to come out being   just like this social economic group which is very  unfortunate and we see that not just in you know   white or black or asian or anything like that it's  you're seeing in all different races in different   parts of the world with different aspects and  i think what it is is that you want to try to   take those individuals you know how things go back  and this kind of leds into the mask so getting the   kids back to school to save some information it's  it's a it's a great place for them to be rather   than home when they have an abusive parent or  this and that we've got to look out for the kids   and this is and this is

038where that equity comes in  get kids you know and i know some kids said their   home lives their a score was really bad but it  turned out really well that's just one kid out of   thousands and thousands of kids that had the  same situation that didn't come out of disparity   and that's where kind of this whole equality and  equity comes into play with equity we're trying to   raise these kids to give them that chance get them  out of that thing and take that statistical aspect   of it saying you're you're going to have now a  broader spectrum of kids that are going to be   more successful and build that up and that's what  most of the stuff these programs that we're doing   is helping those kids in disparate  including problems you know like i said   you've

039got a lot of kids in this community they're  just not doing well and they need the help they   need someone to you know get them there and rather  have kids in school and listen that doesn't matter   so if i can say julia i'm with you i used to run  a non-profit very sport with disabilities and   and this whole you know equity quality inclusion  and all these different things was you know it's   tough to kind of try and understand where these  different lines are and how do you make sure that   you're giving everybody a fair chance but at the  same time like you're saying not giving you know   an unfair advantage you know um and then and  then in the meantime while you're trying to   be inclusive for one population you're throwing  another population aside no

040matter no matter what   it is and so um the other side of that baseball  picture is is the inclusion part so you have the   you know the equality which is everybody gets the  same size box right to stand on but you've got the   shorter person you know the media person the tall  person then you got you've got um i'm cheating   here by looking at it you've got equity see i've  got to even remind myself sometimes but then you   got equity which is where you you change the size  of the box so that way then everyone's the same   height i i totally get that why why does it seem  to focus on well hold on i want to get to the last   time so so that no you're fine and then and then  the the furthest

041point that is ideal to get to is   inclusion which is where you take the stinking  fence down and then you have everybody who can   stand at whatever level they happen to already be  at whatever you know that that is that that you   know everyone's creatively and that's inclusion  where we say why do we even have a fence here   get rid of the fence and and then everybody can  be at that height that they are at and but then   that way there's no barriers for them and so so  that's the ultimate goal from my perspective um   is is inclusion so we're including everybody and  we're not having having barriers to it so can i   give an example on something yeah so so one of the  one of the examples is that we had one time was

042um   we were trying to do this meeting uh and and this  was this was two years ago i think if i remember   it was a previous board and and we're trying to  have this meeting that's what we're trying to do   to get everybody together and stuff and so one of  the thoughts was okay well let's have a meeting at   you know at this time of day uh you know at the  middle school or something and so the question   came up to make sure that we're inclusive to all  populations is well what about those individuals   who you know are single moms with you know three  kids and they might want to attend that meeting   but they can't because they don't have a  babysitter or something like that how are we   going to make sure that they

043have the opportunity  to still have their voices heard as opposed to   only having their people's voices heard that are  you know two parents you know that kind of thing   so how do we make sure that we're being inclusive  to everybody you know and making sure you get   everybody at the table that needs to be at the  table without giving somebody an unfair advantage so to me that was a good example of that so most  of my concern comes from the fact that i have   people from the community and people who have been  through this training i'm just worried that um   it's gonna transfer into the schools because they  felt so belittled and and it was just so horrific   for them that they went through that training  so awful that they were like this is terrible  

044um and so following their language in the  labyrinth even from the oregon school board   association emails following those term  words this is the stuff that comes up   so i want to make sure that we protect our staff  and our kids from any of this especially any um   training because i haven't heard it was awful um  and i feel bad for them so i don't know would it   make sense and i'm just spitballing jimmy you  can you can throw something um you're ready does it make sense because like you said you  want to make sure that staff is represented   in whatever it is that we want to  make sure that these representatives   do we say this isn't going to be ready october  7th and we put together a work group with   representatives from staff current  representative

045some way to say   we want to come up with an inclusive anti-racism  approach but we want to do it together it means that we understand media i don't  know if that's something we can do kevin but   if if we have representation and we say this is  the overall tenant this is what we want to say   we don't want anybody to feel like they have been  marginalized or that they've been the subject of   any kind of racism how do we put this together  so it makes sense for everyone and we do it in   a meaningful way where we have the voices of the  people we really want to protect absolutely you   know i mean i don't know if that's something that  we i know that we wanted to try to have something   for october 7th but

046this isn't something that  we can just push down the road i mean we need to   make sure that we're doing it right i don't know  if that's something that we didn't consider as   a board but i know we're not making decisions  at this point like taking action actually   i would feel more comfortable if we had more  current voices at the table like i know we've   gotten a lot of emails and whatnot but  i would feel more comfortable having a   committee form primarily of our parents of current  students that we have in our school districts   because i think that they need to be at the table  when we're passing something that's this important   that's this controversial um so that would be my  primary focus was to have parent volunteers who   can serve on that kind of

047committee and vocalize  their opinion on some of those things they've got   great people that come in and do these kind of  groups where they're like all right i'll give you   some help the topics and they've gotten crap all  over the room and all their stuff they do a great   wonderful job and and and with that too i mean  to the point of the training and everything else   we can make sure that you know in in the  writing or how we work things you know it's not   not taught you know any anything you know that's  marginalizing anything not taught in the school   systems you know as trainings as you know whatever  i mean in any shape or form within the district   there is some interesting things in the english  class i will admit there were like

048eyebrow reasons   in my opinion when i read them um i don't i can't  recall specifically maybe i should have printed it   out turning in but i have read a few of my son's  english assignments and i was like what well maybe   once once we and once we have this once we talk  about it then then we can also have tiffany then   you know work as a curriculum uh what's your  title curriculum directory thank you um uh and   and we can then kind of put this focus on it okay  i mean i don't know what kind of checklist she has   i mean she has to go through does this meet this  criteria check does this meet this criteria check   it doesn't mean i think as a school board we  have the ability to take what she's

049needing to   implement and to review that and look it over and  make sure that we agree on that before it's just   you know well and have her just present on because  right because we obviously we obviously all of us   don't know right what what what checklist like  you're saying she goes through to do that and so   i mean you know i think that before we take that's  the other thing too that we need to be careful   when we we pay district members to do  all that stuff and to be honest with   you i'm pretty sure all of us in here have a  full-time job and so you know maybe not jim um but um you know we need to you know we create  those those policies and then we just say okay   here's the policy

050we need them and that's what the  student stands for is to make sure that okay this   is these are the rules of the road let's let's do  it right to your point julian you talk about the   english book that you may have been hiring at that  point we need a representation from those teachers   we heard explicitly from teachers because there's  a ton of things just based on some of the language   we're never going to be able to talk about and  we need to make sure that we that we're listening   to what our teachers have to say as well that's  why this joint approach to this should hopefully   iron this out smooth it out so that it is the best  and most well-rounded thing that we put together   to protect our families our kids and our

051staff and  then we go forward feeling good about what we've   got out there hopefully trying to bring people  together right instead of channeling right i   feel like we're all agreeing on the foundational  issues here like i feel like we're all agreeing   absolutely i think that our perception  and our lens that we're using is different   but that's okay because we can still come together  and talk about it and have a conversation about it   and that's what we should be doing as a word is  somehow trying to meet in the middle and figure   out how to work out some of these things while  having open conversations about it because i   think we're all really agreeing i just i agree  with everything you just said you know it's not   like we're on opposite ends is that we need

052to  come together and try to give each other the   benefit of the doubt and have the right mindset  and write intentions behind what we're doing   um and then doing it in a positive constructive  way when you develop it right that's it yeah   so like i said this is my first radio i have no  idea what i'm doing but here i am here i am i   i have been so impressed by your  ability to do your homework and   your ability to do your research like how  well thought out you are and well versed like you want to educate yourself on what we're  talking about the issues at hand and sometimes it   might be a little but you're passionate and  that's what matters like i do feel like you   care about our students and care about the 

053families in our district and you are voted   in you know and i think that you bring a lot to  the table is just having an open conversation   with it as a team because we're a team right we're  supposed to be working together in that and then   you have to say you're not the only one i spent  weeks trying to get my brain wrapped around right   i mean i swear to god i was listening to podcasts  and watching youtube videos and reading this on   the fly and doing everything because it's like  it's it's deep it's it's a very very good i mean   i swear not i should just take  what i've learned and you know   apply it to getting my master's degree  that i feel like i was writing a thesis but that's the reason why

054i feel like it's  important to address as a school board for our   to our parents that are concerned that have come  to me absolutely okay we got you elected we have   these concerns um so here i am um i was sorry i  was going to see if mary had anything but do you   have anything over here i definitely do and i'm  in agreement with almost everything that everyone   has said and i do want to work together  as a team i just um want to reiterate that   i don't want any group uh lifted up i mean when  that happens i mean i do believe in a quality   because then they're going to be other groups that  feel like they're left out so however we want to   get together and do this i don't know if you

055want  if you guys want to go ahead and go through this   resolution and take out the parts that um were all  in agreement can be removed tonight and then have   something a little bit cleaner for um maybe the  group that that we all want to get together and   and talk this over with that's that sounds good i  kind of cheer every now and then the chair's going   to speak but i'm speaking as a warrant member  um i i'm very much about quality opportunity   in north bend school district we offer  equal opportunity in education um   when it gets into equity equity is around outcomes  a lot you know i guess around it who makes that   determination who makes that judgment who should  get what for something special so where i'm at   is in the north bay

056school district i view our  role as we have to have all students should reach   their maximum attention that is that's one of our  goals so i see that it is when students come in   they have their individually assessed for where  they're at and learning levels and based on   that individual assessment that's done by the  north bend school district they are placed in   appropriate classes to get them to reach their  maximum potential what i don't want to see   is decisions made prejudging people based on race  and ethnicity and equipment class or you're given   whatever equity that items yeah absolutely  yeah so i guess some of that you can work for   a non-profit and some of that you know what's  the role of the public school people is it a   quality of opportunity educational opportunity  and then

057using these individual assessments   i look at equity as trying to control outcomes  perhaps somebody gets something more somebody   gets something less that might be the  role of a nonprofit that might be role   charitable organizations i'm just  throwing that out trying to contribute   one thing i forgot to say at the beginning is i  want to thank several award winners who said that   controversial topics like this are best worked in  work sessions where we can do that so that was a   very good suggestion like that's a great way  for us to know so um go ahead sorry thank you   i would love to have the education maybe  a presentation you know at a board meeting   at some point to figure out because i don't know  uh to what you're talking about jim um i i don't   know

058necessarily that process um you know of how  we figure out that how the district figures out   the inclusion side of things you know what i mean  uh obviously we don't want to predetermine people   just simply because of their race or because  of you know gender or whatever it might be   those those determinations should be made you  know in an ethical way and everything else   but but i don't know how that's necessarily made  you know right now how it's already done i think   i think what would be good is for  us to first seek first understand   you know before we before we make any conclusions  on what needs to happen or doesn't need to happen   because it might be done in a great way right  now and it might be mandated by the state the   way

059it's supposed to be done or and we might need  to revamp it and we might need to say you know i   you know based on our conversation here that that  doesn't really fit those definitions that we're   all agreeing to and so i think maybe having a  presentation on that so we can understand more of   how this is happening as opposed to just kind  of saying you know this is what we want to see   because it might already be happening you know  what i mean and there might be just a couple   things that need to be tweaked or you know i i  don't know so um that would be my suggestion and   then and the other thing too i actually i've been  a part of a lot of groups what eric was kind of   talking about

060where you have a professional come  in that kind of does the idea boards and stuff   and helps us to put all of our thoughts in a in a  cohesive manner and and it might be a good idea a   worthwhile idea for us to have essentially  you know a meeting similar to this where we   have somebody a facilitator here with with a few  members of the staff and everything else to talk   about this and to be able to help us articulate  that you know and and put it up on a board so then   you know let them do some of the initial they work  and then we come back and we look at it and we say   yeah that's what we're trying to say or no that's  not what you know what we said and to

061i mean let   them put it together i mean they're the they're  the professionals who've done that time and time   and i agree with that and the thing is you know  i've like said i've done my research and studying   and i've even seen some people that have studied  this doctors and very very serious they've had   their you know doubts about it the k through 12 12  realms and that but then there's more there's more   in-depth aspects to this and having someone that  understands it fully would be beneficial for us to   understand it if we're getting away from that  if we're if we're walking away from crt we're   saying we want to put just a a resolution around  how we feel about racism in our school district   crts we're just forgetting about it yeah and  we say

062with a strategic plan or somebody that   facilitates those things this is the overall  premise like and distinguish that first that first   paragraph the district prepares discrimination  or asked on the basic session certain parts of   that say now expand on let's let's work on that as  step from a staff perspective a parent perspective   a student perspective um i don't even know that  we're necessarily involved with it at that point   like spencer said we come back and see what they  came up with but we let them come up with what   they think it means for them as the people that  live and live and work in the community i think   that's a great perspective i'm not discounting  it however we all were elected as the school   board and that seems outsourcing our um duties i  don't think

063that's proper i think things like this   need to be on us um because it's our district  and i don't want to outsource it i was just   sorry just to clarify what i was saying somebody  not to not to do it for us but to basically be without i think we can do it without i think  we're capable that we can do it ourselves i   don't think we need to bring anything because  that seems like money to me like we have to   pay somebody to do that am i wrong so spencer's  presentation you're you're specifically requested   is that from the curriculum director just  go back to the presentation um to be honest   with you i'm not sure who that would be um i i  don't know who necessarily is the person of her   who determine it

064might be the curriculum director  but i think i kind of talked about two different   presentations there one was the curriculum thing  to do with the english and she's talking about   how the checklist that she mentioned you  know how do we determine what curriculum   to do and not to do and the other presentation  we're talking about is how do we determine   you know what what classes kids are in or are not  in what special assistants they have or don't have   uh those types of things and that might be more  like the special ed director i would imagine   would probably be part of that discussion um and  maybe like the principles and things like that   that would be my guess but yeah i think tiffany  would be able to tell us what assessments are made   from students

065during the term then that's done  teachers standardized testing that type of thing also another thing somebody uh mentioned  essentially a curriculum committee   that's a yeah idea i think that's worth a  deep dive on being what's taught and worked in   yeah school district it was a one of the  public comments the last school board   meeting was around that and having parents  involved i think that's a great idea yeah   there's some parents out there that want to think  there's one that stepped forward and said hey   is there a committee i want to be part of it if  not let's get one started so she will definitely   there's probably parents out there they would  really appreciate that opportunity so back to   mary's suggestion are we okay to go make some  edits on this and remove the crt comments

066i i would have no problem ending it but i  don't think it's gonna be anywhere ready for   this episode i mean i i okay are we editing  it to then say that we want that like that   group to go through it say what makes  sense what they think should be added   i think it would be editing it to what  we in this in this room can agree on   that that should be removed so and then from what  i've i've heard if i'm wrong that's going to be probably everything starts everything that has crt well that would be starting with the title yeah so my next question is is  this an amendment to the 2029 i'm almost thinking essentially this would this sentence this would  be taken out it talks about critical races   this sentence would

067be revised  to something the effect that uh district teacher administrator or  other employees in the district shall   require and make part of the course the  following concepts in these seven months   i know that there were some teachers that  had some serious concerns about that method   and i'll limit a lot of the things some of the  one of the history teachers i know that there   was an english teacher i don't necessarily think  that but spoken at some point saying that that was   commitments that's where i think that having at  least some staff go this is where and give us   some feedback as to why they think that they might  limit what it is they're currently teaching based   on history and english because there have been  some terrible things that have happened in this   church there is

068and these seven i mean these seven  things are essentially talk about discrimination   and i don't think i don't remember which one it  was that he was talking about yeah i don't uh so   i don't think these seven things  have a place in instruction   in our classrooms or any trainings  that we deliver to our staff i agree with that this is nothing that would go away yeah things are red any comments so the number  two has credibility over there do we have a copy of the resolution 20209  we do let me give it to you oh thank you   i got it okay thank you though who  does not anybody know what happened so were there any comments on 20 2009 i just have comments on the resolution or  working on it because i can't see the

069board but   i'm assuming you you have taken  you've corrected the the title yeah   and then it's oh and then we're saying  it's so far it's okay until whereas   critical race theory and we're taking out those  whereases that refer to critical race theory   yeah correct mary yes and then the therefore  be it resolved um how has that one changed so far it hasn't been changed it's just been  crossed off the therefore be it further be   it resolved particularly theory is rejected and  that part is crossed off and critical race theory   is pressed off so that one mary could be this  this sentence could be replaced therefore be   resolved no more than school district teacher  administrator or other employee of the school   district shall require or make part of the course  the following consonants and list those

070okay so my question is on this so i mean there's  some some general things we've crossed out here   um you know i think um are we going to have a work  group come together and talk about things because   obviously this is just a starting point this  isn't and we need to we do have to meet together   you know like session to be able to i mean like  we're doing here to continue to work through it we   can't do that over email or anything like that um  and so that night group will need to meet together   at some point and then come together you know  maybe we do at the next um work session you know   or something like that to be able to discuss  it again and because unfortunately we have to   we we have

071to do it in public session and they're  going to continue to hammer this thing yeah   that's underscore so um you know it would be nice  to just be able to hammer things out and get it   all done real quick but we definitely  need to do that this is up forward so versus replace the resolution  there was a reason why we had this it's not necessarily perfect and i  understand that based on where we're at   but the complete replacement of 2020 i think  is i don't necessarily know if it's warranted you said there's a reason why you have that  can can you tell me what that reason is   we're being sued pretty significant lawsuit there  was a couple it was multiple ones that is i think still can come  back and bite us in the rear  

072at this point i don't think we're outside  of it yet so yeah i could see a supplement   to this being something that kind of clarifies  some things but i don't know that we can   just yard it out of people by the roots  over the side i would agree with that how many of the board members were in that issue   what do you mean this dude this voting on  2020-09 yeah four of us passed unanimously so i guess you know i look at 20 2009 and when i  read it it's it's pretty strident and it reads to   me like an activist document and i guess when you  go down to one two three four five six seven eight   eight whereas and i read uh the north bend school  district is working to be a leader on

073educational   equity including critically analyzing our current  system policies practices but we also recognize   that the district has not had enough to  combat racism or proactively teach anti-racism   and then the next one below that i  see where we're saying now therefore   being resolved uh i guess the part of the sentence  above them whereas estimate your combat races   those are very that's a very striking  statement right there and when i read down   in the therefore below it says now therefore be  resolved on this first day of october 2020 by the   board of northern schools district condemns  races and racial violence rights tennessee   takes huge bigotry off horns inside outside  of schools and community and stands steadfast   in their commitment to foster an inclusive  educational environment where every student staff   member parent and community member is treated with 

074dignity and respect as well as our commitment to   continue fighting for racial justice and civil  rights for all i guess that last part finding   the racial justice in human and civil rights  call what does that mean for the school district to me it means that we're making  sure that there's equality for all   no matter the race matter no matter you know  what it is it's just like making sure that   it's equality after all  we're in violent agreements   so because i i'm totally supportive yeah and  and and that's the way that i read it is is   is in that way and then to combat racism you  know is essentially to you know to make sure that   racism is not something that is uh practiced  or seen within our district as well   so so that's that's good

075the proposed  resolution up there with respect to racism has there are several statements whereas racism has no   place in american society especially  not in the northern school district   whereas we want that school district  condemns racism and will not tolerate racism yeah those those two statements to me are are  synonymous they're yeah they're very similar   yeah so the part of what was put in there was to  replace the proposed replacing that were those   those comments right there those statements to me  and it's just me the the comments you read on this   one and the comments they're right there to me  those are synonymous with each other and maybe   it's maybe i'm misunderstanding something to me  they're they're they're saying the same thing any other comments and i i have to you know agree  with that i

076mean it's very similar yeah there's   certain words in there that you know seem you know stands out but nonetheless  it's just a word changing something else synonymous then um would there be a problem  eliminating or replacing resolution 09   uh yes because there again because of the  lawsuit because this is something that we   determined we needed to pass i don't think it needs to  be in there because this is   the direction that we're going this is the  newest resolution towards our anti-racist aspect   we've covered our basis with the thing we need to  do leave it alone and move on with the thing that to eliminate um you know  racist racism in our society that's a good point i was wondering what um what was the issue that this needed to be  created and um has that

077been addressed and   is this contradicting at all uh like  it seems like it was an issue of racism   um and with i mean i've seen people of color  and black listed in here specifically so um we could move past that and just put in no discrimination for anyone of any color am i wrong i mean am i misunderstanding  and i would i would just say you know not   um not moving past that um right okay but but um i  i get what you're saying yeah we're obviously not   moving past it but we're fine-tuning to make sure  that you know this is not a misunderstood that we   want we on you know racism at all levels right  no matter what uh eliminating finish my thoughts um i would like to to just keep that on the

078table  keep number four on the table for now and then   as we're hashing both of these out  uh figure out at that time whether   we need to keep that or incorporate part of  that language into this new resolution 11. like i said earlier i just wanted to  just do like an amendment just take   this legacy one rewrite it new 2021-11 but  just modify some of the verbage in here   to reflect a broad respective muslim  sort if it falls within the legal   to be honest from my perspective i i think i  think having a you know an anti-racist um you   know document every year from a district heading  is fantastic we continue to build on it continue   to make sure that you know we stay safe we  fine-tune it every year and so by keeping   by

079keeping this one and then adding you know  having another one that says you know look we are   we're we're making sure that we're we're  on top of this this is something that is a   board we want to stay on top of no matter  what so i um i i hear you marion and um   but to me i do think we need to just remove  number four that's that's my perspective does that mean that we get to edit oh nine   no uh uh we will know we wouldn't edit oh nine  we would create a new we would create a new one   yeah in addition to the amendment you wanted to  amend this and just make it longer no i don't want   to amend this this would stay where it is we keep  2020-09 and then we

080would create a you know 2021   cash whatever we're on that's  interesting um i need to think about that   i don't want to scratch off replaces  it yet i need to think about that okay i guess one thing on 2209 if you read  the last uh number four from 2209 the district   commits to dedicating time in school professional  development culturally responsive training book   studies for celebrations diversity on behalf of  people of color critical conversations among staff   and the students and establishing community  partnerships for this work i guess what i   want to be clear on is that the training that  was delivered november 2020 is not delivered   that so to me this i don't know if this enabled  that training or set the stage for it but i don't   want that to happen i agree and and

081i think by  with a new document we can make a statement of   some something like that that says you know what  your trainings are not and it's it it's it's it's   in that one right if we don't replace this then  how does this supersede this then if we take and   remove the we don't want this type of training  for any staff or even students at all period how   does that supersede this if we don't get rid of  this or at least edit or modify this in some type   and that's a good question i don't know i um i  don't know when it comes to the resolutions and   updating resolution or something like that  if we have to update it or if we have to   um replace or if we have to you know what i 

082mean i i don't know the answer to your questions so hey we've been at it an hour and 15 do we want  to go to a five-minute break to stretch our legs   and sure we okay with doing that are we able  to do that yeah cool i like recesses yes okay let's take uh 10 minutes come back at 7 25. terms um is it staring at you because it's staring at me  and i don't like it yeah it's got two sides it   really is i think it's the bulb on the top  i know but it has some eyeballs right here we're back okay we're back we're back  yes we are we saw barry she just left   but so i'm sure she'll be back so  i guess on the way forward for this   from here i

083heard two different approaches  i heard something the board can do   here or not right now the board can  do and i heard a committee suggestion so what was here going in my my thoughts on it  and i understand what julie is saying but i think   we're we're would be remiss if we didn't have the  input from our teachers at the very least based on   some of their thoughts with working with the kids  and i mean if we can get some parental involvement   even if it's just a two of them just to say you  know we want to work together with everybody   how it affects the school district is   on every level so if we had the input from them  then we would have the most well-rounded approach   that we could possibly have and we would

084say that  we took the time to get that input from those   people like i didn't disagree with that i was  disagreeing with outsourcing it for somebody for like the people that came to me i was like get  your here and let's talk about it especially the   teachers because they're the ones that teach you  understand the students that you understand what's   going on they're in the trenches you know so i  i'm hearing a consensus then on on a committee and   now in terms of the board representation  representation on maybe i'm thinking but we can't have more than  three so you have two options   so you can do a board committee you  can have as many as you want those are   those will be those will be open to the public  they will be publicly posted you

085will have your   committee members but anyone in the community can  come and watch right so it's a very public process   and we post it so you could have as many  board members as you want in that process   so a lot of districts do uh like they kind of  outsource it they did not do the public comment   public everything public it is a district's  superintendent-led you know kind of like committee   with board representation that you can't have more  than your three like you can't have quorums you   have up to three people um participate in that in  uh you have up to three people two three four like   all three board members to participate in that  that kind of active process as a committee and   it's more of a district committee not a board  committee so those

086are kind of two separate   the board committee has to be you know it's  like you have if you want to have another board   and you can have as many again you can only have  a three there and if you doubled a born committee   you have to do kind of some allergies it has to  be there has to be minutes taken there has to be   it has to be open to the public we have to post  to those benefits i think you get more meaningful   input if it's not if it's one of the smaller  closed ones with with three of us and some staff   we have staff and some parents then you can  have a dialogue conversation not feeling like   someone might be able to hound me about decisions you know again you guys can choose

087who you  want um i've certainly gotten yeah i can have   minimal impact on this it's like just kind of  again being part of that process i like the idea   of doing an application process put your name in  and then we could decide as a board concerns is   that how that works or like you can you could do  that or you can again kind of assign a team like   again that as long as there's no more than three  of you kind of get together review that select   your people you know select the people kind of  in cooperation with the district and we kind of   pull together um a comprehensive whatever that  group you want so if you want to identify here   kind of the positional people to parents to this  whatever however you want to describe

088that then   we can work as a smaller team to develop that or  you can do it again as a word in the word process   the board committee you would probably need to put  it as an agenda item and have this open session   make your decision of who's going to be on it and  again then sherry and i would help again kind of   do some of the same things get you applicants get  that you would do that all in a public session i personally would like the full board again i i i disagree with that i think i mean it should  be a smaller committee to at least start to talk   about these things and get it get hashed out  and then it comes back to the word after that   and then we we see what

089everybody  brought together you know is that   smaller committee and then we talk about  it as a word in a setting just like this so that means that a committee doesn't necessarily   mean they bring some they bring something  forward doesn't necessarily mean that that's going to be the  resolution exactly yeah yeah yeah it's just and we'd be able to  we'd be able to iron it out and   get all their edges off and it's getting the input  from those community members and staff members so so let's let's just talk about some numbers  so i understand so how many how many parents   i always got a number i i i think having  probably two parents maybe two teachers and   um my thoughts you know two parents through  teachers and and maybe um uh i think   to teachers but

090then having like a like  a you know principal or something like   that you want to go to school yeah to  administrative steps and also we need to   include some of the people who have gone  through the training we can't leave them out through the throw through the train that  happened yeah okay we need to include so maybe we have maybe we have two  classified staff to um to to uh teachers   uh you know i mean i i think for some reason  i feel like the classified in the certified   like but i mean i've just opened the schedule  well that's kind of part of the point isn't it   right better okay i'm winning but because the  teachers as i understand it the teachers have   not gone through this only um admin and classified  have gone through

091this training well but are we   are we are we talking about the trainer are  we talking about trying to come up with it   because they are um they have personal experience  with it already is why i want to make sure that   they're represented um because they've been there  and they have that training so they have a they   have a voice they they can be heard um so that  they're acknowledged on that as far as that goes so i think a smaller group is better   quite just for the dynamics of people talking  like this here we've got a group uh nine yes   but if you get much bigger than 10 it takes  on a different there's a different dynamic   yeah you may not get everyone's feet so yeah so  is there two board members that want

092to be on this all right yeah you said up to three correct julie mary okay is it um because i really like what christina had  to say that i'd take some of her notes including a fourth person and a board member  that's not necessarily including a fourth person   it's not actually bringing notes yeah so i didn't hear who the third member was sorry  steve ryan julie thieves and you mary okay and then we'll figure out how many um parents  teachers and admin and such we want to add it   correct i think we have to figure that out here in  this meeting yeah i think we i think if you guys   are okay i think the numbers of two two teachers  two admin two parents is pretty i mean to keep   the dynamic yeah because making

093a schedule for  everybody more than over two people is almost   ridiculous to make schedules match i mean it's  ridiculous so now because we talk about classified   staff though so are you saying one because we  you had two teachers two parents and and two   administrators and two classes yeah and and two  possible yeah so yeah that does make a very large so that's that's the that's the length that's yeah  and we're pretty much more than enough so so now   um yeah yeah we're doing that process so so the  other yeah so the application process that we're   going to do is just see who wants to who wants  to participate in this and they just kind of   thought is that something that comes from you if  someone wants to write something of what you want   what you

094want to put out there to sort of send  out to the community we'll help get it out   or not if you want someone wants to create it  you know you can create something i mean i would   be pretty minimalistic co-chair do you want to  do that you just want to put on an application could i send that via email do i just drop  something and then send it we could formalize   it make it look a little bit more legit and then  get it out yeah okay just an application yeah yeah   hopefully we'll get people to apply because i'd  like am i able to send it so sorry it kind of   confuses some of the different am i able  to send it out to all the board members   and they can all approve it before we

095send it  out to everybody else because i'd like input   okay i don't i don't think so okay so what are  some of the things that we need on applications when we have a draft of this we can send it out  because there needs to be a little bit of like a   disclaimer statement that what are you looking for  what do you want people to do you're gonna need to   hear a little bit i don't think you want to spend  time necessarily today so someone can grab that   we'll kind of write something  up and then i'll send it out yeah but you can certainly what else do  you want to include in that application   okay well i mean i i guess the check mark whether  or not you what which one of the things you fall  

096into whether or not you're a teacher admin yeah or  parent so that they at least we know who those are advocates here but um   the you said north korean only residents but  if you say parent if they happen to have an   idt and then you say what is that i mean  i guess there's northern school districts okay yeah i'm in parents of an old north  school district student or something yeah   i would say yes i mean this is something  you'd say or something yeah because if   they do have that if you send it out to  our normal distribution plan like that that is you mentioned two processes you  mentioned one would be a one is a board   committee and another is a district the one  we're talking about is a district committee   you're not necessarily

097posting it it's not open to  the public right it's okay it's a closed group too   what do we want to name this committee  officially i'm just thinking it's a funny task discrimination resolution committee yeah that  sounds good right here and then and then the   only other thing uh jim and i would say is  we do need to have probably one of those   uh if it's with that we need to have somebody  who is actually facilitating that discussion   because you get 11 people in that room yeah and  it's kind of a free-for-all there has to there   absolutely has to be an agenda and somebody who is  you know marching marching through the agenda to   make sure that you keep things within that time  all voices are heard so so there needs to be a   chairman there

098has to be a chairman and if it's an  administration if it's an administrative one would   we have something from the administrative  offices being the person who's doing that   as opposed to because then we would be in cherry  they're probably taking notes and everything else can i suggest like so you know i i'm not gonna  put her on the spot but someone from the esd like   they have a superintendent um that could come  that's not part of north bend that could then   right doesn't have anything right i don't  think one will pay so it'll be free free   i'll just have to ask okay um so i think  that's a great idea with a cup of coffee   right and again i'll have to i don't know  that step very well so i'll have to sort of   ask

099um you know their their leadership team around  who has some skill set in that area that could   could facilitate to do this because it needs to be  yeah are the this group's work and not certainly   yeah so there would just be a facility that's  truly their their job is to sort of make this   an outcome and i think that whoever that is should  probably be because you guys are the board members   for that committee um i i would you guys would  then just decide yes that that person's good or   is that something that has to be affordable um no  because this is really a district committee not   a report so this is like again with some feedback  i can kind of again roll out here here's here you   can tell me what if you want

100to see credentials  if you want to see whatever you want to see if i like maybe get a couple options so you can   small group can just choose yours yes or that they  want to do it and i think that's kind of the same   way so maybe we're asking the same person  to facilitate is why do you want to do this   which is sort of the same on this application  why do you want to be part of the school so so is this a one time this is a  one-time event we're gonna meet   for two or three hours one evening um what uh that's hard i i   i i don't want i don't know the last thing  we need to do is brush something how long   does it take you guys to do this i

101think a  couple months yeah and i think we did two two maybe maybe you can have two standing meetings  for sure and then maybe more if needed if it's not   you know revised and drafted so  what's what's the deliverable is it's   input from this committee to the  board is that to look is it a list you want to create something or that's i guess  that's drastic yeah it would be nice if they   created a rough outline of what they believe  would be the most uh beneficial non-discrimination   resolution for north bend based on their  experiences we could then bring that whatever   that is because it's not going to be i don't think  completely smooth and then we would only have to   take a work session together to say we really  like this part this part is

102probably a wash   move the things around figure out  how we like it board up and then we   put it on agenda i like i think the deliverable  is probably the first meeting is just getting   all the ideas out there the second  one is then essentially creating a   a proposal of a resolution i mean just kind of  a draft but then we hopefully come back on that   third meeting and then we at the board we read  over it and say this this is this looks great   or now let's tweak this what about this if  we don't have any applicants can we recruit well i think i think once we once it does get  sent down i i don't know why we can't say hey   you know put your application in you know um i have a

103question so if we're accepting  like two from each category is it like   uh first come first serve  whoever sends their app in   or they're calling in or and then will we take  outside letters or just this little committee   would you speak in the committee  i don't think outside letters   because that would be more voices yeah yeah yeah  i think the point is to make that small group   yeah and i don't know about first come first serve  i don't think that's fair because no that's not   way like keyboard warriors can they'd be like i  don't know tickets it needs to be it needs to be   fresh it needs to be represented right right  yes we don't want it we don't want it in any   one direction but we want a nice full body around  it to

104go around well-rounded everybody's got their   opinions they're not all going to be the same  and that's why it's going to be so darn good   so i don't think the first come  first because that could be bad for   yeah anyway i think you hit on a great point i  think you should be uh if you have two teachers   you might have one i think you get a better  a better deliverable it's one from this side   from another perspective and that probably carries  through the other parents the administrators   you know and the classifieds that's how  you're going to find the middle ground right   there's some truth in each side of the  argument right so we find the middle ground   i think if we had the opportunity to  look at who's choosing these people   the three board members

105make that determination as  long as we do have one four and one again i mean   you know it sounds bad to say it like that but i  don't know any other language but um so that we   can come to the middle ground because even look at  what we all agree right but i think it's hilarious   that we can't come up with the language well i  think if you if you put in a little descriptor   box like like you said why do you want to be on  this you're going to be able to clean from the   that description is to like yeah these two people  would be great to have a conversation with them do like a sporting system it's like american  lighting sure why not you know just come come in   it works too i

106don't know so it's something yes or no to like what do you believe in x  yes or no are you like so you kind of can sit   through like around some things um are you open to  multiple ideas you want someone that at least can   at least then the application says  yes i'm open to multiple perspectives   the other part is like what is your that you  could get to it's an open-ended question around   what is your feeling around non-discrimination  what is your feeling about sure i mean just sort   of like let them share and you'll probably  be able to maybe a bit of where some people   are leaning i don't know yeah i feel like in  this day and age you're probably going to get   some clear answers why why do you want to be 

107on this will you kind of hope to accomplish   and the other one's like what are your feelings  about this i mean maybe between the two things   did you have something mary no i  already i already said that thank you   okay so we've got the deliverables so just  restatement i think i heard is there's going to be   two two meetings there'll be one where it's kind  of a brainstorm where ideas are captured which   i think we'd like to see the output for that  and then the other one is a proposed draft any   discrimination so those are the two deliverables  and the two meetings is that correct good i feel   like that's kind of where we were so just i don't  want to get too much details but i guess i would   like to understand the rough

108timeline so there's  an application process this is the first thing and then there's uh applicants are selected  and then there's meeting one and being two we can probably ask applications we do by next  week because we do want to move on this so well   is that going to be is that going to be too soon  considering we still have to get the application   built like we then next week the application needs  to be built and feedback given on nomination and   then the week after that we get the application  out then do we give them one or two weeks   so application builds by next friday  that we're doing like i mean that's   what it feels like because we're going  to we're going to need back to where they so christina so you're the  application person one

109more time you can say no not anymore let's do um so by next friday or thursday  we can have the application ready to go and   just pretty much make an announcement at  our board meeting that is getting sent out   and then i think we should provide at  least a week a full week um to collect   the applications back from people who are  interested and then um what was the next one process i would say would happen during the third  week in october so we have the first second and   the third week that and then you're going to  take that you're going to let everybody know   and then it's going to be a scheduling frenzy  of the last week watch over and figure out   what everybody's going to be able to get  together so you should

110start in november by the sounds of it mm-hmm it's amazing how long  it's gonna be i know right i mean is that kind of   what happened to you guys did the it was anything  you guys select the applicants by 21 october   you know i think you could have a meeting the end  one meeting at the end of october and one meeting   uh the following week ideally yeah yeah and really  yeah exactly well you have to make sure that you   contact everyone who submitted applications  saying hey so that may take a few days too   um so i would even almost say that it  seems uh applications selected by the   21st or 22nd of october and then contact  is made that last week in october and then   maybe you have the meeting the first week  in november

111first and second and then we   should have a boardwork session before at  the end of november the the work session there's a boardwork session the 21st is that right  of november 18 18. so by that point maybe we could   have this so we could talk about this in the 18th  november what happened what was found where we're   trying to come together and hopefully at that  point be able to have a resolution that we can we had well again we'll have to just kind  of be scheduled so we were doing like school   improvement planning that we were talking  about using that date that we can kind of do   is sort of like we do extra meetings or  moves other things um like in november   school improvement plans that we're  going to do with sharing we don't  

112have to do that necessarily at this  time for another day or we had cooking i think getting this thing  resolved so that we can move on to   the other business that we  have for the school districts so i think we have a rough timeline any other   we have a deliverable a rough timeline any other  things we need to talk about to creating this   the sound of this one i'm just excited  i think this is definitely a great idea can i just add one piece to this okay yeah well  and now i just want to one reiterate i mean two   people are listening to this group we're not doing  any training this year so there is no training   schedule that that and we will not do training in  the future on this and i don't there

113was i think   there's some folks that maybe felt that way there  was certainly no intent to make that happen like   that if that happened it wasn't because it's  intentional it is because these conversations   about race sexism whatever the case any of these  isms are really really uncomfortable they're   really uncomfortable to address they're really  uncomfortable to talk about it and i we can do   this work and i'm gonna need some help to still do  some work around this area today a group of kids   surrounded a car brought one of our latinx female  um where the police were called racial stories   were given that's the stuff that's like yes we  addressed the racism whatever might happen and   that's all being investigated i also like the work  that i was attempting to do and really what it was  

114about is there's that's really in your face racism  yes let's address that the complaints which a lot   of you haven't seen wasn't that clear it was  more nuanced it was a clear retaliation against   one of our black employees that wasn't seen  as retaliation in the moment it was students   that accused the district and were found guilty  by an outside investigator of sexism racism   but it's not the blatant in your face using  the n word using like sexual discrimination   it's more subtle and it's like and then  our and our adults fail to recognize it   so that's that's and i inherited that so that  didn't really happen under the watch of me it   didn't happen to the watch of discriminator but i  was asked to come in around what do you do to stop   that from happening

115and it's not just a  resolution and it's not policies because   those were already existing this already says  you can't do this it's illegal to do half   these things but we wouldn't recognize  the more subtle things that were happening   and so that was really my intent around kind of  a longer relationship trying to figure out how do   you start to become war recognizing that hey yes  these subtle things are in fact racism as well   when you do certain things after event this may  be seen as racial discrimination again an outside   investigator said yes that's exactly what this  is but we didn't recognize it at the time and   so i'll need help around how do you do that like  how do we get to that um without violating again i   i appreciate this group i appreciate this

116work i  have no intention of making anyone feel that way   like that was that if that's that's a byproduct of  it wasn't intentional and again i think sometimes   it's like we're trying to confront like why are  kids doing surrounding a kid and use calling   racial slurs i don't know why they're doing that  and i'm trying to like dig a little deeper around   like how do we how do we stop that how do we  recognize that that's not okay but then it's the   more subtle things that we're have that um when  you do racist jokes and when everyone's laughing   how do we put a stop to some that we understand  that that actually is like there's people that   don't find that funny this is really uncomfortable  um and a place and a voice and a place

117where you   can bring those things up and so again that's  i i love this work i love that we're gonna kind   of put this together and come together as a  team to do this and i'll need some help around   hey if we're going to do training around this like  what does that start to look like um and again i   just need some guidance but i i want everyone  to know and if there was some concern around   superintendent because there's i watch social  media i see some of this that social that kevin   bogarton tyrant is gonna come and force this on  folks i want to rest assured to this group to our   parent community that that is not happening that  won't happen it isn't happening it and if there's   a reason around last year it wasn't

118intentional  that work is really not intended to be able   to sit and get one time it's around an engaging  conversation over time because you get it kind of   past that really uncomfortable feeling to start to  better understand sort of some of this and that's   that was again the intent it wasn't around um i  can live with all these things and i want you to   rest assured that i i'm listening to you there  is no contract we have no contract with anyone   we will not have a contract with anyone i shared  some information just recently about another   event that we were looking at to kind of deal with  um current investigation that information quickly   got out we're i'm cancelling that conversation  we have not signed anything we were just kind   of having conversations but i'm already

119getting  threatened threats from the public um around that   and so i'll just rest assured we're not doing any  of that period and then we'll need to maybe get   back we can do this but tell me then what we want  to do and again i'll take your marching orders i   i this is the group tell me what you want me  to do i was initially doing the things that   previous boards priors of this group wanted me to  do and so again i i serve at the pleasure of this   board and i will do what you want me to do i also  need some direction of what do you want me to do   to address some things that have happened here  that are currently happening and i need to make   sure well this is easy to address

120when we have  light racism that's happening in our spot we'll   take care of that um and work through that but  i also it's like there's a broader thing around   making sure that we can recognize some  of the more things that lead up to that   so that's why i just wanted to weigh in a  little bit and i'm excited about this one yeah thank you for sharing  that i really appreciate that so on with respect to this topic   is there anything else we have three  minutes i think we can get the space mask well okay i do i do have one more question sorry  do i have a couple minutes so the groups of people   would that be like maybe parents slash  grandparents or guardians because   you know we we have those issues here in our 

121district and then what about uh just a couple of   uh north end taxpayers that maybe um  are interested from that perspective   i i think since it's such a small my  perspective since it's such a small group   um we're grabbing two two people from the from  there i think it needs to be people have kids in   in the district um that's that's  my perspective on that i think the   parent aspect of it i mean you very well  could be a grandparent because there are   plenty of grandparents in our community that  are raising their children who are guardians   yeah i don't i don't see that as something  that would need to be especially for them   they would they would it's implied yeah okay thank  you guardian guardian yeah well we have kind of   a are the language

122of views is like they're in a  parental relationship with this a kid that lives   with his grandparents they are in a parental  relationship there then they are contacted do we need to reschedule the other  agenda is that what we want to do   yeah i mean we're going to be here for a  while oh yeah we're going to be here forever   yeah i think five weeks i think we reached it to 20 21 10 the local control face mask we'll do  that in another work session tdd to be determined   okay some reason you have a you have a  special needs schedule for october 21st   that would be anything before that would be you  have to we'll have to just make sure that you're   available on a we're doing thursdays another  thursday you have a regular board

123meeting   on the 7 next week the week after that is the  14th so that's a possibility it's not currently and then just as a suggestion maybe some of  the things that were potentially gonna happen   in november maybe they could be moved  up to the upcoming week if we have time never mind but you're gonna take on this yeah  that's true that one might take well yeah again   i don't wanna i don't again i usually do the  november because it takes a little bit of time   just for their teams to pull together okay so that  the november was sort of the earliest we can do   it later it's not it's okay we can find a time  later cool cool that sounds good yeah no october i don't know that any of us really expected  this to

124happen when we walked in here today   i did not i i have my hopes you know i think  this was this was awesome like this is what   it was this is what this is supposed to be  exactly is exactly what it's supposed to be   i'm so super excited that we got to hang  out and do this tonight it's a lot of fun   good progress and the fact that mary's been behind  me the whole time has not bothered me at all i i appreciate all of you and all of  your comments um being being a newbie   i i really appreciate you um giving us some  extra time to learn to learn a few things yeah it's a great format it works it's informal all right i think we're good good to adjourn  the team's good emotional

125i don't know   you very end are you ready