001I'm going to go ahead and call us to order2 p.m. So, I'm going to call to order the school board work session for May 28 p.m. 602. Uh before we get started, I want I would like to u add an item. So, I'd like to amend the agenda and add an item. Uh it would be 1B and it would be um a motion to approve the amount for the bond and that will be after some some discussion and so can I get a motion to approve an amended agenda? >> I you got it. I'll motion to approve an amended agenda. >> I shall second this motion. >> Sorry I didn't grab my voting sheets. No worries. We were >> surpris >> Charlie first. Andrew second. >> Yes. >> Donna. >> Yes. >> Charlie. >> Yes.
002>> Nicole. >> Yes. >> Clark. >> Yes. >> Jennifer. >> Yes. >> Andrew. >> Yes. >> Okay. Stacy's absent. >> Uh. All right. So, our first agenda item is a bond discussion with Mr. Jeremy. Right. Thank you. Um, so where are we grabbing? Oh, >> he's putting it up for you and then we'll have it ready. >> Get it ready. >> It'll show on both, but this one the second one the center. >> It's up in the right hand corner of the desktop. >> Sorry about this. >> It should be the only one. I would >> do well. >> Okay. So, um Jeremy right uh opportunity uh to have a few meetings with folks. Uh I'm glad still but uh very new to your um uh your work but not new to bond work had
003opportunity to work with I'm a part of 75 school district bishops in the state of Oregon now to help craft and pass bonds and levies um and I am excited to be part of team help you all pass your bond pardon I was just doing some levies so my brain breaks let me know what you can um so uh tonight uh a small group. So, you know, I'm going to work through the presentation, but feel free to stop and ask questions as we go here. Um, so let's be so formal. Um, what we're going to talk about a little bit, I'm going to talk some basics first about what formula for winning bond, like a little bit about like how we do polling to hopefully answer some of your methodology methodology questions before I jump
004into the actual results. Um, and then from there we'll talk a little bit about what I see as kind of fast recommendations, our recommendations, and then next steps, kind of immediate next steps, what we have to accomplish in the very short term. Uh, so, oops, I just hit the wrong computer. >> Is it There we go. Uh, I always share this with every client that does this bonds and balance. I'll share with you all. Um our goal is know and you know one of the if you don't get the package right that's before voters it you can run the world's best campaign it won't happen they don't listen right and so our goal right now using our polling using all the work you've done today is to find a bond that meets a sweet spot
005so hopefully out of this data we provide you plus all the other stuff that you've been working on all the other data that's come in um we'll be able to find that so it's kind of three major what the district needs. Those needs are all giant circle, right? That's it should be the biggest one in there, right? Because it's always huge and way bigger. Uh and then the right hand come a community priorities. They what they think you should be doing with your facilities, your schools. And then the left is not the same as what they think is what they pay for, right? And so our goal here is to find that sweet spot in the middle, which is like those three overlapping things. Um no one's going to get exactly what they want. That's
006the whole point. But the idea is let's find that sweet spot in the middle. And so our goal here uh for you as a board is by the time you vote on this is that we we're putting something on the ballot that's in that uh middle of that these three circles. >> All right. Keep hearing my front office. Uh so before we jump into the thing, let's talk a little bit about why we pull and how we pull. Um, you know, the loudest voices, the most persistent people are the ones who tend to drive policy decisions that their perspective may not reflect your voters's writ large. Polling is a scientific way providing you with statistically accurate information that allows you to sit back from fiction and make smart decisions. Um, and because you know this
007as a community, you know this as a board, there's a few people who can often often times dominate the conversation, but this allows you to get some a bigger perspective voices. Um, basics of polling. What is it? It's quantitative versus qualitative, which is a fancy way of saying facts versus feelings. Um, facts are the quantitative part. That's what we're presenting tonight. Feelings are, hey, this is what I think we we should do. Um, so what is the difference in real? The quantitative is what we're going to say. a verified sample of v voters quotas reflected to talk where you target the less a statistical sample that's valid a margin of error and who actually talking to voters live callers and text the web qualitative these are important these things inform the left-h hand side so
008it does it does not mean they're not valuable it is not what we're presenting it's a community surveys web ser essentially things that people opt into as opposed to us giving you statistical valid data of what we think your community uh thinks about something. PTA meetings, staff feedback, people who come here and testify to you all. These is all valuable information. Uh but not uh it informs our client bowling, not the other way around. Always want to say polling snap polls are snapshot in time and not a crystal ball. They will not tell you exactly what's going to happen in the future. Um they do get stale. Um and but what it does tell us though it can show you the way. So the difference is the polling what the polling present to you tonight
009is here's where your community is. This is what they feel they were going to vote today exactly. But every day we get away from the time we did the poll those opinions might have changed, right? But what we do look for in polling uh is is a few things. They can show you the way. So like movement, what drives the movement and what messages are moving people? Uh who is changing mind? What groups and folks change? Who are our supporter supporters? Who are our opponents? A lot of uh folks just look at those top, okay? Up or down. That's it, right? Uh but really how you use polling is you look under the hood. You look at movement. You look at people who's moving because we can then use that information in our efforts. We
010can use it to target very microtargeting people or we can use it to uh develop our messages. Uh and we can always look for as a community as folks looking at polling what do we have movement? If you stay the same through a poll it's not good right because that means your messaging is not working. It means when we give them more information it's not working. So I'm always looking for that movement in a poll. Not just where you start and not just where you end but where you go from point A to B. Real quick, Alex, good poll because I'm going to talk about this again. I give you give you data, but you know, uh we shouldn't so when we call village, it should not be tipped off who the sponsor is. We
011should have uh uh data that actually reflects who's going to vote. Um we have good sample size, so it's a small margin of error. We actually ask the ballot question early on, just cold, so the people don't have hear anything else. They just hear the ballot question. Um we always talk about the measure per the bond and levy components and we also don't just test positive methods we'll test negative ones. Um and then we want to reass the ballot at the how we roll a list of every voter in the district. We look at your target election date in this case November. We'll talk about that a little more. Uh we create a universe that looks like your target election date. So and then we randomly call those people. Okay. and or text them depending.
012This case we did live calls. This case we had 400 samples. So we call in to reach 400 people. We make sure the answer the folks who answers reflects your target election like that make up the voters and then we analyze results. So any questions on our methodology? Anything before I get into results? Okay. So specifically for you all now we're going to jump into results. uh we called 400 people within your school districts. We conducted those interviews via both landline and seldom about 70 70% still these days. Um we took a verified sample that was reflected of the November 26 electorate and I'll show a slide on that in a minute. Uh we just conducted those interviews. Uh Ben Patenin and his team that I work with all over the state. Uh the fact
013that we you are seeing data from May 27th >> it's crazy >> last night. I mean, they were up at last like overnight. Um because I knew you were on a really really tight deadline. Yes. >> So, uh this is my freshest data I've ever contacted. So, um I haven't even seen yet. No, I'm joking. I did a little earlier, but yeah. >> Uh any 400? >> Yeah. >> You called until you hit 400 or you called 400 and this is the data of the 400 that >> No, until we hit 400, we probably made like 20,000 tiles. So, you would only do you don't have that many voters, right? We call people over and over and over again. Yeah. Until people respond. You know, these days it's hard, right? The first thing we say
014is we're not selling anything and then we then from there it's uh then we get them to have a town vote. Um we don't tell them we're from the Gladston School District though. We say, you know, we're calling a survey for community members and we want to get your opinion about uh about the possible measure that's on the ballot. Ask >> did anybody here get the call? >> Anyone get it? I only know one person who is >> but not me. >> And you always hear that nobody called me. Therefore, this isn't valid. The reason I try to present all this stuff is that it it No, it doesn't matter the district. It doesn't matter. I get it. Um but you know because people think that if you only call 400 people out of voters,
015it's math, right? Like and we create but that doesn't matter. Like people are like, "Oh, you only talk to 400 people actually 400 people in the district, your size is actually really good. Sam will fall below uh you know 84% margin of error. So that's >> cool. >> I probably would have answered. >> Yeah. Yeah. We actually your district is too small. You don't have enough cell but we we're getting our best responses what we call text the web now. You get a text. You say hey we're opinion survey people in your community and you take literally the same questions a live caller reads. You take it on the phone and you you all have gotten one of those. But um we get a much better response on that. Well, because you don't pick you
016respond to texts. We all do, right? Um and then throughout this talk about older and younger voters, 50 is the cut off kind of arbitrary. Um and numbers may not be precise due to the birth. Uh talk about your demographics and then your likely November 26 voters. uh in this case in like the election we just did in May uh the difference between all registered voters in the district and who was voting was pretty far you know there was just a much smaller subset of those voters in November it's going to be really close right because we're going to have 80% less turnout um so on the left hand column is exactly who who's your community what does your community look like in terms of who's who are registered um about half and half men
017male female you know, uh, half over age 50, half under age 50. That actually is better than some of the places you you have a slightly younger I I know it doesn't feel that way, but like like we just did like it was like 60% over, you know, much older. Um, you're not you do have older voters, but look to the right and see what percentage is going to be over 50 in November. So, we know just because you're registered, you know, this election is still going to be dominated by folks over age 50. just I think that's who we're expecting to turn that um kind of arbitrary east west that's based on precincts um we can pull that map for you if you're curious but nearly a split about 2/3 1/3 um and then
018party pardon registration um you have Democrats 36% of the total registered voters nonaffiliated independents column 42% and Republicans 22 why is that non-affiliated independent group the largest it's been the fastest growing group in general in Oregon regardless in the last 25 years um with automatic voter registration now everyone's getting you get automatically registered you get automatically registered as a non-affffiliated independent you have to choose to opt into parties non-affffiliated voters tend to be folks in many cases who have never voted or vote only in like presidential elections um they tend to be younger a little less connected and you see that in the right hand column with affect likely November to 26 voters uh more party representation a little less not affiliated. Uh so this right hand column is the makeup of the information. I'm
019going to present you the numbers. So what we did is we made sure that our data that we're giving you reflects who we think is going to be the vote. So where do we start? So the very first thing we do after asking people um you know don't hang up and are you driving and no it's a safety thing is then we ask okay we want to ask them a cold ask and we just uh of of the perception of the bond it's the third or fourth question um oh sorry before we did that first we asked people's uh opinion of the district before we got into the bond itself we asked um and so uh we asked people impressions of the strict and and the the level was favorable, neutral or somewhat a very
020favorable, somewhat favorable, neutral, somewhat unfavorable or very unfavorable opinion um of the district rit large. And then uh do you think spend your tax dollars as intended? Uh so the light green I mean light blue and dark blue is very favorable in dark blue light uh uh somewhat favorable in light blue. And the same thing for the red. The pink is going to be uh somewhat unfavorable. Dark red is going to be very unfavorable. And of course, we have a gle group that's uh a section of gray is don't know. Um so in general, these numbers are pretty good, y'all. Like I'm I seeing right now impressions of districts way underwater just and it's it's a national thing. uh as uh education became a national political football honestly in like about 2021, right? Um and
021became a national conversation, we saw these numbers across the state, across the Northwest tank for almost all public education um community colleges as well. Uh so the the fact that you you have a huge chunk of people are undecided a bunch of empty heads but the fact that you are in the positive of the impression of how education the district is uh providing is a good starting point and is solid. Yeah. >> I'm curious maybe it's too soon to ask this question but like do you know how this maps on with what candy was going into their levy? >> Um I do. I can go look it up. Um it was much worse than this. >> Okay. Yeah. Okay. Uh it was probably like and then the tax dollar question is something we ask everywhere
022and this is pretty actually better in some places or about even with most places >> if you if we were to have enough time in the survey and we said actually tell me what you actually think about can what how are they spending money back? Well, I don't know. They just they just aren't. >> They That's the beauty response because they're not thinking about the Glad Scale School District. They are thinking about uh Metro right now or whatever. Right. You all are catching strays from all variety of public ent agency spending in general statewide, right? There just a general disatisfaction with um perception in Oregon right now of tax dollars being spent. Uh, I've seen this in the like low 20s in some places. Um, 40 is about average. I got, you know, yes, no
023on on this. Um, so you're about in the middle of most places. Uh, but yeah, overall, um, it's a better place to be than not, right? I've been we're below, but there's a lot of empty heads I want to emphasize, and that's going to be a theme through all this. Even when people have opinions, they're pretty light as hell. Look how light how much like light glue is on there. It isn't like, "Oh, yeah, man." Like, it's like, "Yeah, I think so. It's kind of good, right?" Like, >> It's all right. It's okay. Yeah. As as the kids say, it's mid. >> Um, so then listen, we asked we created a ballot language for you. Uh, we asked there may be a bond measure placed on the ballot at some point in the near future
024uh for falls, but we said Gladstone School District. It would read bonds to increase safety repair, construct schools, increase accessibility. Shall district maintain its existing budget, issue bonds to increase safety, repair, replace agent schools, increase accessibility. Having heard this at this lecture today, we debug yes or no. Um, and what we saw was pretty much a 4040. Um this was you know uh again pretty lightly held uh 21% but a larger uh folks are in the no in terms of strongly. So you can see that difference about five point difference between the two. Um but we start out of the gate and we have about 20% on the side. It's a 40 40. uh you'll see over there where you were on this uh on the initial ask and when we they did a survey
025well the panic research I wasn't part of that but did a survey back uh in January 2025 before he went out previously so the the takeaway here is you have fewer nos than where you were previously on first ask but uh and you have more empty heads more silence uh when I talk about movement I talk about things I look for in polling Um I love on the silence cuz it's far easier to convince somebody if they don't have an opinion of it then it can move that the folks in red. So, so when you sorry this is me maybe getting a little bit in the weeds, but like when you say empty heads, it feels like the implication is that like that's a when they're undecided, it means swayable. Like that is the when
026we look at gray, it doesn't mean some a voter that is necessarily opting out or like their response was yes, no, or uh uh or undecided. That was the options they had. And if they said yes, no, we asked them, do you feel about this, you know, strong how strongly do you feel about this? So that's where the different colors come from. >> Would would it be fair to couch like a takeaway being that like I'm looking at 4040 straight tie for people who would have an opinion. That 19% is like that should be what the pack focuses on the people that don't have an opinion. >> Yeah. And you're jumping ahead, but yes. Well, get and that that 20% is kind of where you want to spend your time, energy, and money. And if
027you're talking about political strategy, this is how you went. I'll just start say it now. You you consolidate your bank. So you want to turn the ninth to the uh 21% that's soft light blue into dark blue. You want to peel off 5% of the light pink who are they're probably getable if you do the right thing. And then you win 2/3 of the undecideds and if you are a number like this and that's how you get to 50 plus one. Um, and because you're not going to win all the undecideds, right? And and so that that's the basic theory of action in most of these campaigns. And so the undecided though is is opportunity to us. If you have very few undecided and you have a lot of dark on a on a chart
028like this, uh you you that's that that's hard because we had a situation like this the first time we did polling for Mount Hood Community College and >> it was I think it was like something like 48% yes, 49% no in the first ask and I was like I can't work this like, you know, literally like the community had made up his mind one way or the other, right? And so we had to go back and redo we won eventually, you know, but that was a two-year process, but their first poll was just like everyone was baked in. Yes or no? So I'd like to see at least who are the folks who are your supporters. Um, uh, a lot of this breaks how you think y'all like when more women are supportive than men.
029You see the margin on here. uh you know younger voters interestingly are um uh le not as supportive. We normally I should have said we normally don't see stronger support among younger voters. I think one of the themes of this presentation I'll give you today is you'll see that like parents are we're not doing as well with I think there's a lot of price sensitivity at play here. So folks under 50, you know, you know, a little less uh established, a little closer to the uh edge in terms of economic uh stability. And right now there's a lot of uncertainty out there, a lot of pressure, right? Uh it's kind of compounding whether it's gases at $6 combined with, you know, there's just a lot of things happening, right? So I would want to see
030us do better with younger brothers as we go, but that's where you are today. uh unsurprisingly doing way better with Democrats than uh Republicans. nonaffiliated. If you look at that big chunk of undecided as well, both Democrats and non-affffiliated, if you look at that previous chart with 20% undecided, big part of that is getable votes and those demaff affiliated that 23 22%. Um and talents on on talents uh honestly that's a better predictor of how you vote today in America than uh party uh a lot of pollsters have found is that you whether you have a college education or not. We can pretty much predict where you're going to vote for candidates or measures and anything and in this case college educated vote uh support education measures and tax measures are much higher rates than
031non college. Um and then uh homeowners versus renters. Again, pretty typical renters don't get tax bills. You know, it's just the reality is your parent support. And again, this start you you're doing worse than you were in your first survey, you know, back before you ran your first bond. Uh this again, we think like Ben and I were talking today, we think this is really price point. This is this is t this tax fatigue but more important less tax fatigue more this affordability crisis right now a lot of people are just worried right understandably so and uh demographically but there's no significant you know difference uh non-parents on the water with them that's again pretty predictable they don't see the connection so but we're taking something away here in these c we got to do
032better with nonaffiliated got to do better you know show our support among dems and we got to uh make the case among parents to say I know this you're worried about the cost let me tell you why you shouldn't worry about the cost setting up the next slot >> especially if you don't mind going back really quick what the east west is that literally just one side of glass >> versus we split some precincts >> yeah you know and I I would have to ask which precincts are which I can get mapped I don't know honestly pull those We'd like to do that just to see if it's geographic if you have a problem somewhere, right? Like there's a specific precinct or a community that's and that's grumpier. I mean it's it's interesting because like
033you know I've been volunteering for Michael Sugar's campaign and as part of the doornocking thing they sort of defined it as like there's lower gladstone, there's upper Gladstone, but seeing it like broken down as east and west is is interesting. >> Well, if there's a better way to break it down, we can do that. it as long as the precincts are lined that way. >> I had never heard of the e the upper versus lower thing. Okay. >> So like elevation literally. >> No, I mean like you I think you're you guys are near me like we're technically upper cuz we're up the hill. I >> was going to say it's Oakfield I think is the divider. >> Yeah. >> Got it. >> For the up up on the hill. >> Yeah. If there's we
034can show you the map. Happy to cut it. The thing that's interesting to me though is that like the folks who would be the west side of those numbers are the the households that are closest to the buildings, you know. Yeah. But two points in four point margin there error. I would be careful. There's a subor. I wouldn't careful of that. >> Um but this is if you take one thing tonight, this is it y'all. >> Nice. >> We said in the bond we just discussed, we placed another bond that's about to expire. The new bond proposes a lower rate. As a result, property tax rates for Glasson School District are estimated to go down and not increase. Now, having her dad's election were held today, would you vote yes, no bomb? Sure. >> Huge.
035>> So, this is your campaign, y'all. Like, if I wouldn't point to anything like >> letting them know that compared to the rate you're paying today, obviously you have the dynamic if it doesn't pass the whole thing goes away. I know that. But like you know how we do campaigns is you know you compare what you're going out with what people are paying in that year. Um and so you see where you pick it up. Again we're talking about younger voters. Look at that huge jump among folks men under age 50. Uh you consolidate your Democratic support. kind of the senior like of people heading towards retirement 60 69 like you know folks who are who may worry about their current state of their retirement funds whatever you're just picking up by just telling them
036this very simple piece of information >> yeah make any difference for Republicans >> uh it did a little bit we picked some up but no uh because opposition is ideological around tax measures you know, you you can win. We just did Cami. I know we didn't win that, but we Cami is 3 to1 Republican. So, we had to win Republicans and we did. We made a very specific case with them. Uh and so there but in this case you the takeaway here is that you have enough others that you don't have to fight to make the move people who are inclined to vote no on tax measures because that's because that's the ideological persuasion of them of you know the party um is generally you know tax averse I guess the best way to put
037it or tax skeptical um yeah and so yeah so this is the biggest takeaway if anything tonight. It's 13 point 13 points. It's it's that's a lot. Um and to answer your question, here you go. Uh first, you can see where where we jumped. We jumped across the board, of course. You know, we pick up 13 points. Um you know, you can see the margin on the first question is in the far corner, the right far column, pardon me. And then the second is time we we clarified is the uh is is the margin in the second great column to the left. Um you could you pick up 20 point consolidation in stamps. We did pick up 10 points in Republicans there. Um really did much much better um with uh non-affiliateds. Uh parents come
038come to us because it's affordability. Everywhere you want to see it move, we moved. Um and so that's just got to be integral. I mean you guys got to live, eat, breathe this message. And you probably intuitively intuitively knew that, but now you have data to really back it up. >> Um, oh, we uh there's a double of a I in I kept this in here because you had a question just to remind you all about the favorability of the district and tax dollars because it bear with me here, but what what you see here is people's attitudes uh towards the bond each of these bars. Okay. And so the initial vote was 4040. Right. Among v voters who trusted the district of tax dollars, 83% of them were yes on the bottom. Okay. Among
039voters who had a favorable a somewhat favorable impression of the district, 69% were yes on the among voters who didn't know on favorability. They were like, I don't know, undecided on that. Right. Right. 44% were no, 22% were yes. Same thing of tax dollars 2125 still and people who don't like what you're doing or like what you spent unsurprisingly are no on the bond right um but if there's stuff that we've learned from this slide it is one you still have a chunk of people who like what you're doing who are voting no on the bond let's go win them okay and then among folks who just don't know they're inclined to default no because they're like I don't think allow Those folks aren't connected to your schools. I don't have a clue. So, continue
040to brand cuz those are winnable. >> Yeah. >> They're they don't know anything about your district and they're probably defaulting no on a tax because I I'm the same way. Like I'm not going to vote for something that I don't have any connection to and I don't know where my money's going to go. Right. >> I don't understand. I might as well save money. >> Yeah. Exactly. Um and so that that's a winnable spot, right? So, you know, if you it's not the top thing you need to be leading with, but the district should be disinfusing in all this communications and I know you are and I know you're doing that, but it is definitely brand the good news brand if you uh won financial reporting awards from the OASPO folks, right? Uh because I
041know who has the Oregon school business, school business officers, they give award to every time every year. >> Yeah. >> Put it out there. >> Yeah. Take a picture, put it on Instagram, like talk about, you know, the whatever you can and trust around finances and budget budgeting. And then um you just gentle work at least are your grad break rates higher than you know whatever your you know talk it up because there's a direct link. Um now perception of bond packages the district access test a couple different price points. Um not giant difference um but we did want to test the difference. Uh so 60 million and 55 million to 60 million this bond measure would update agents. Let's we said let's tell you a little more about what he heard about cuz we
042just gave him bond language which is a 10-word caption and 20 word question. Let's tell you a little more. The bond measure would update agent school facilities across the district by addressing critical repairs safety accessibility needs. Repairs or replace aging roof. Replaces fail fire systems. Enhances safety and security in schools across the district. Addresses heat related school closures by adding cooling systems to every building. Updating electrical panels. ADA accessibility. sport opportunities by replacing turf fields and fixing the high school stadium lighting. The new tax rate is estimated to reduce the average property owners taxes by $300 per year. Uh this bond will do everything outlined in the first bond however would not pay to replace the district's age in Turfields. The new tax rate is estimated to reduce the average by a bit more 385.
043So we showed them what it's going to do. We told them how much it was going to cost. We gave them the difference between the two. >> Did did these two examples factor in the awesome grant at all? No, no, we just did. We don't we don't ever because that's >> your It's not guaranteed. You have to >> you first qualify for it and then test >> um little statistical difference at the top line level. However, we do um and I'll get to the fifth tonight, but we'll go back. Um it's pretty straightforward like there uh you know the total yes to no. Uh it's very within the margin of error what we got on our first ask. Um and you know not the clarification on cost going down. Um there's slightly more uh opposition
044uh to the 60 million kind of on the top level. uh slightly smaller uh yes strongly group. So like that little difference of the dark blue and strongly I bet is your boosters folks who like sports uh in your community. Um but you know it's all pretty marginal except we'll say this is important. So targets are people who move during the course of the ser. So they move from either undecided uh to a soft yes or they move from soft no to undecided. Those are people who when you peel back the hood we say okay we run cross tabs on this. How do these folks So there you go says on the screen who they are. Um those are the people we're going to need is talk about building your coalition to get to a
045yes vote in a bond campaign. And among those folks, they like the 55 million by stat s stat s stat s stat s stat s stat s stat s stat s stat s stat s stat sistically significant margin by 10 points. Um so our recommendation would be get your Austin grant and go for 55 million and find a way to you know >> still get the >> that's what we want to do. >> Okay, good. So we're aligned and you know so there wasn't a huge difference but we think at the end of the day it you're you're going to win this in the margins. You know this from your last effort, right? And so you know whatever whatever benefit you can give yourself even if it's 10 points among targets you want to give
046yourself >> questions. Okay. Uh then we tested projects. We ask people kind of a whole set of like what you know we of various projects that you're considering out of that uh you know large paragraph. We broke it up for them kind of like do you favor this strongly somewhat strongly? Not at all. I mean neutral uh somewhat not totally not at all. Um and the top tier are going to be you know replacing electrical wiring. Uh it's going to be safety ADA accessibility and principles like so um you'll the light uh uh bar is targets again among people. So it shows what was favored strongly. Um total favorability is the dark blue among all respondents and then the light blue was among targets. So you can just see what you know this is the
047top tier of your project. So it based on the work you're doing. You're not really going to have to take any of these out or in. But it's nice to know if you think about the projects that you want to lead with if you're talking about what to say. So, it's going to be safety stuff like wiring and safety and security and buyer safety and then ADA accessibility. Um, we've seen this pop and we said this when we were putting survey together. I'm not surprised it's up there. It's popping everywhere in the last couple years. People really want >> accessible facilities. I my personal theory actually is boomers are getting older and they're trying to get places and they're uh they want to >> grandkids and go take them to playgrounds and I have no
048idea if that's really true but that's why I think it's really about um and then basics you know fix the amazing roof stairway wall and this is very consistent across clients we've worked with in the last couple years across Oregon but I just want to see you fix the things you got in that building um And so, you know, there is pretty strong and and that's you see here in terms of that repair work. >> Is there is there any takeaways in just I've noticed that the the percentages are lower for like the roofing the HVAC category at the bottom considering that is the majority of the cost of the bond. Is there any takeaways from that? >> No. 67 64 statistically. This is this is Yeah, I wouldn't worry. Uh, and even these less
049popular, I would tell you if there was something in here that was your pawn killer, that would say take out now. And there I've had them pools. Um, well, absolutely. You know, but the the least popular would be the turf. Um, but again, it doesn't mean don't do it. The numbers aren't that bad. It just means you might it isn't something you lead with unless you're leading that with your boosters or your key supporters. Lead it with them. But otherwise, I wouldn't be something I would um you know, make it make sense for your campaign. >> I've always heard they've been like renting the facilities is what helps pay for the replacement of the I love I'm obsessed with. I'm all for it. But when I read that I'm like what are we doing with
050the money, you know? And I'm like I want to be supportive of that. But that's where some of the question and doubt comes in. >> Yeah, for sure. And I think, you know, um it's also just a prioritization exercise we have to engage in, right? And so they're looking at this as, okay, is this more important than fire safety or is this more important than uh fixing boilers? No. I mean, on the whole, do I like it 50%? Yeah. So, it's not like heck no, they'll do this. But yeah, and to your point, you could probably put some accountability language in there because people want to hear that like this is fiscally responsible because it gives us I personally I play men's rack league, you know, soccer and Gladstone's one of the fields we play
051on most in North Clamness. As someone who's been responsible for turning the lights off at the end of a game, I definitely want to change something fix that because they get give us these instructions and I'm like looking at a thing and you got to go to that panel and >> touch two wires together. >> Yeah. Touch two wires together and it's like oh my god. >> Uh but I have personal experience with your lighting system at Glaston High School. >> And can I just have some clarification on the on the tariff or maybe I'm way off here. Are we talking about replacing the tarp at the football field? >> Um to to tarping the two places. >> Oh, so where they don't have >> really important place. >> That's correct. >> It's both. >>
052That is correct. >> And I felt like at one point you had kind of mixed feelings about the importance of turf. Um >> I'm always going to have mixed feelings about turf. >> Yeah. And anybody would, you know, turf is nice and and you can play on it in bad weather and then it never lasts as long as it's supposed to and then it starts to shrink and then you have to refill it. A grass field is wonderful to maintain and then it gets muddy. So, we're in Oregon. I don't know which one is better, but the community is wanting uh uh turf in the softball and baseball fields because currently they're grass. And so that's where we would aim for that. Um, currently over the summer, we are doing a lighting project at the
053stadium, so you'll actually have better life. >> Oh, we're going to bite the bullet and we are going to be doing $50,000 worth of stadium lighting because otherwise we'll lose our games and you won't be able to play there. >> We're taking donations, too. >> Yes. Okay. >> Yes. >> Portland JP GPS. >> Yeah. I'm not that. I'm not that. wish you luck. If we could get the money, I would like to do it, but it's not it's not a killer for me on this project at all. Plus, we're getting $10 million in awesome money that I'm pretty sure about and we'll see what that's able to cover. Thanks. >> Yeah. So, there's nothing I would say don't take away. Um, but you know, and so messaging is basically, okay, I we read you the
054the project. Let me give you like the why and test which Y pops versus others. Um and so these are messages. We tested 16 total methods across eight categories. Uh we tested health and safety stuff like replacing fire safety systems, you know, emergency security stuff, um critical repairs. Um I'm not going to read all the messages because it's 16 but aging boilers fiscal responsibility stuff local control talking how funds are spent locally accountability that be audits and oversight and everything make sure your dollars accessibility in classrooms improve building access on safe outdated portable. Um, so we tested 16 messages. Uh, and if we were to do the top four align a lot with their priorities and projects, not surprising, but if we don't say anything else, we need to say this, the bond lower, the
055tax rate, and this moves. Our strongest non-economic message is around fire and life safety. suddenly talking about that. Uh and then emergency security upgrades, stuff like security and then entrances, uh secure vestables, cameras, all that. Uh and then end with critical building repairs, just the building face, fix the basics, roofs, heating, heating, uh boilers, all that. Um we will take all this and turn this into a real message for you. So don't take this slide and run around with it. But that this is the beginning of that message frame. It's going to be around safety and security, fixing the basics, uh, and critical building repairs. Probably not that different from what how you talked about your previous bond. Probably kind of alliance. The nuance is going to be who and how we talk about it
056and how we, you know, push it out. >> We did test opposition messaging. Um, it's doesn't land that great. um especially among folks like targeted voters. Uh we did test Oregon's third from the bottom public school performance and third from the top and cost per student. I know that's not technically factually correct. Okay y'all, but that is what you're going to hear between now and November ad nauseium from uh you know from folks who are invested in that that frame. So we wanted to test it and and Gladstone High School is one of the worst performing ranked 81 out of 98 high schools. Uh that's you know about 50% uh folks found that somewhat convincing or very convincing. Um gas price costs. This is what he's saying. Landed bonds we're paying expire. We'll say the
057average home district $1,300 per year. I'll be honest, I thought this was going to test better. Um because that number is a lot of money. $1,300 a year. If someone said if you vote on this, you're going to save $1,300 a year. That's pretty compelling given gas prices. I was surprised that that didn't do better. >> Um, and then the promises. I know you've been really hammering this a lot. It's great work as a district. Uh, we can't trust the Gladstone High School Gladstone School District to spend our money wisely. The 2006 bond campaign promised to fix safety security and to add classrooms in many of these promises are still unavailable. Again, we're testing messages here. Not necessarily what's accurate, but what's going to be said, right? because we want to make sure um and
058none of them really grows to the point that they're going to be uh I they're somewhat effective, but they're not deadly. Um and I was pretty pleased to see especially the um the top two uh not hop as hard as I thought they might given current economic and kind of general perceptions. And so here we I said it's weak. Uh it's like only one in 10 of our target voters found a strong opposition. So it sums up what I just said. Um and interestingly, I know it's one of the loudest things, but the distrust of past promises is actually the weakest message. So you're doing your work. You're making it less. >> Yeah, it's intentional. >> And finally, um we asked the following question. Here's, you know, over the course of survey, people may, you
059know, 35 the last one in the survey. Sometimes then, of course, people might change their mind. Here's the potential ballot language. We read in the ballot language again. Um, and uh, you know, we don't really move people very much after we've told them everything. Um, so it I think that's good because we gave, you know, I would like to seen I would have loved to seen this jump female so I get up to 57. Uh, that's why I have the world. Um, you didn't get there, but you you definitely moved people just on a simple affordability message and having them understand the tax implications of this measure and then you kept them there by giving them positive and negative messaging. They stayed in there. 54% 34 still have 11% undecided. Again, it's a snapshot of
060times where people are today, but we if you look at this graph, we have our path. Um, but it's I'm not going to sugarcoat. It's going to take a lot of work and I think you all know that, but findings sometimes are helpful to reinforce. So, key findings is a recommendation. This race is winnable. I would tell you it wasn't. People colleagues would tell you I've told people they can't go out. Um, but this was uh start out evenly split 19% undecided. No sides like more committed, but there's plenty of room to grill. We're starting from a stronger position in early 2025. I think it's better ballot language and the fact is this bond lowers the tax rate as well as the work we've been doing. One group to watch as parents who are less
061supportive than expected. We need to work on uh always said this but the most powerful message is to bond lowers taxes. Uh be front and center. Specific projects are popular across the board. Student staff safety, security, accessibility, critical repairs draw the strongest support. Pairing these with fiscal responsibility methods gives us our most convincing case for a yes vote. Building familiarity and trust will pay off. So this we know the district view it favorably but 39% have no opinion yet and that's where we can win. Um and this is where money is well spent. Uh the opposition case is relatively weak. None of the arguments against Obama who voters we most need to reach. Even the strongest claim about school performance failed to gain traction with our target target audience. those movers talked about bottom line
062lead with lower taxes safety this tax me uh savings measures did more than anything else to win support um in a clear consistent campaign built on these themes but just find a strong positional path so I have a few more slides talk about next step questions on the polling all right so next steps I share this Key ingredients to winning bond campaign. Give yourself enough time and assemble a great team. Look around you. Budget appropriately for the effort. Prioritize your facility needs. Make sure you make the hard choices. Make sure your costs are accurate and dialed in so what you're putting before voters of accurate numbers. Do good polling. Develop a bond that meets the sweet spot. Engage in robust community input. Be flexible on timing, size, and content. Simple, concise, effective messaging. Excellent district
063bond communication and excellent robust pack. Think about those two things as two train track runs through election day. They are parallel to each other. The trains are chugging. They can't necessarily cross, but they go all the way through. Those two things are cons consistent student and staff engagement. Don't forget those folks. They're really critical. They can be sometimes your biggest supporters in spaces you're not you're never in. >> Um and a board fully supportive and engaged. That's critical. So these are all critical engage ingredients. You can do in your own head where you think you are in each of these a check check box. But I like to remind people like if you do all this you give yourself the best chance success. No guarantee but give yourself the best chance. So immediate next steps
064create the board action plan. So we got finalized resolute based on this polling. We're going to be jamming hard to create uh a ballot language uh that we will get to you which is tomorrow. >> Tomorrow >> I have appeal for Oregon City supposedly chef for my family out >> uh hold board votes for measure election. So that's next week. >> Um and then along same lines we'll start developing a methods framework. Then we'll prepare a bond toolkit. What's in a toolkit? It's all kind of basic materials, talking points materials, you know, what you know, and this is sorry, be really clear. This is all district >> stuff, not >> right >> uh pack stuff. Create a master calendar. Okay, who are we going to talk to when and where? I know you've already been
065working on that. Create district bond education plan. So, kind of like what's going to take us all the way through? What are we going to spend our money on? What how are we going to target the folks we know here? district obviously when they target and spend information cannot do what the pack can >> I can't slice and if if you if I'm working with district materials we can't slice and dice and say we're just going to talk to Democrats who uh you know we have to talk to all voters with materials packed obviously can do that and that's because they're entity um and then we want to make sure we align activity so over the next month I would like to get an idea of what's happening on the back side so we can
066make sure that we're aligned and then from there we'll be you know we'll roll out the actual edge plan and start and come back and show you that stuff. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Thank you. >> That was great. >> That was very very helpful and very informative. >> Yes. And >> work. >> Yes. Ready. All right. Um, any discussion, questions for >> No real question. It's just thank you and Ben and the team for Oh my gosh, turning that around so fast. >> Oh, you amazing. >> Very persuasive. >> May May I ask what um what might be some surprises that we should be mindful of? I This was a great presentation, but what are there any kind of outliers? >> Great question. Um and I would be in a different business probably lottery
067business if I can predict all the future right but um no but you know on a serious note uh you know I think the hardest thing to predict right now and I think about my main clients is that like when we had this presentation sitting in December of 2025 uh gas was at $422 and we weren't at war for Ron right um and you can't control that right like it's not a controllable but there is bad reality, right? You just have to accept that there's national winds happening that you don't. Um, and so that that part of it can just impact you in ways and a good anecdote of that. Um, in candy, uh, I was looking at ballot returns every day. So, in in Oregon, you can get a list of people who have
068voted. You don't know how they vote, but we know whose ballot has been accepted. And I run these reports and was running them through my through the spreadsheet I got in this. I'm breaking them up very much similar to what you see up there. Okay. How many Democrats, what percent, what age, what persuasion of Democrats, whatever or Republicans or non-affiliates. I'm running all those numbers and running them against our polling to kind of get idea of where I think we're going into election day. Like this is 50/50. I mean, this is going to be a 5149 election. I think in our favor election day vote in Oregon. Um, we have become a state in vote by mail. We vote by mail. We're actually becoming returning to more of a election day. Um, and in a
069primary about half of all votes are cast on Monday, Tuesday. In a general election like this fall, it will be 2/3 of all votes are going to be cast. It's mad final two days. >> It's mad. People want to wait till the Trump. >> Yeah. People, human beings are deadline driven, you know, this ADHD folks. So um you know we you know like in I'm telling the story because then at the end I was looking at it on an election day vote we knew that we you know like fairly similar numbers Republicans versus Democrats more Republicans were obviously opposed and can be um normally in all this work I've done we win late votes. So, anyone who casts on election day or later, they drop a ballot in the mail, shows up, you know, gets
070processed, but you know, gets reported the next day. Uh, I typically have won three or four elections in the last year and a half by coming from behind from election night with late votes. The opposite happened. >> Two in Gambi, uh, it was 2 to1 Republican to Democrat late votes in election day and late. I've never seen that happen before. Uh, and we figured out later on kind of like I my only in the last week my only theory mainly is that Christine Drezen is from Cami her uh and she did a turnout operation in a very competitive primary. She needed to get as many of her yes votes out to vote. So she understandably from a political drove her v I did not predict that. Right. and and her messaging was centered around a
071lot of like school voucher competition. >> Yeah, a lot of school stuff. And so we were going to and so we w up losing there because we lost the late big vote. So answer your qu like that is something we couldn't predict but maybe or do much about but it was it was one of those interesting dynamics that swung the election in a way that control. So there are a lot of things that are not controllable. I would say where we can control is those negative messages and you can predict the no campaign. I know you're going to get one right based on your history. So what what can we do now? What is the inoculation? And you're already doing some of it like here's the history of what we've done in the but more
072and more of that avoid some of these late surprises because I think you can expect the no you know statements in the voters pamphlet. you can expect Oregon taxpayer united drops something probably you know a mailer in your community or fund it through whoever the local person is so what can we do to not let that be a surprise right and that's what we try to control your controllables and that's what the second part is like you can control like you know I'm very proud of like can't be I mean 78% of Democrats vote elections 61% turnout in this primary like we did our job on one side of the ledger and we also won like two half of all the Republicans great campaign it just didn't but what we could control was turnout among
073the folks we were trying to get the turnout and we got them there right and that's going to be you as well it's like you can control I think the final thing I'll say is probably not the final thing but um one of the biggest impacts of smaller leg races like this in a midterm term big loud election for governor and everything is uh undervoke Clackamus community college we w up winning that by like 5149 in a presidential election there were 22,000 under votes so undervote is when you vote for the top of the ticket for the white house and leave everything else blank or you go down and I'm going to vote for Congress I'm going to vote I know the county commissioner races I don't I don't even know what a bond is
074I'm not going to vote on So we had 22,000 under votes of people missing votes essentially. We w up winning by skin of our teeth. But if we had captured maybe a third of them, those are folks who are inclined to probably support a community college and they understood what it was. So I think that's another thing that catches people out. One that we should be prepared for and do some messaging around, you know, from you know, you know, from Congress to the classroom. >> Pay attention if you're voting for president. This is all >> we would say. I've done in presidential years from the White House to the schoolhouse. Vote your whole ballot. Maybe there's some time to school to the classroom. Vote your whole ballot from the governor to the whatever. We can
075come up with a literation, but um something to keep people and then do some like ballot identification knowledge like flip it over, you know, kind of thing like you're going to be on the back side like and you're not going to win everyone, but that's that's something that's been a nasty surprise for some clients. um and when we should anticipate traffic. >> Did you find the effective parts of the Gambi campaign came from advocacy on social media versus doornocking? >> No, I would say um no the the they did they did two thing they did a lot of things right but one of the things they they put boots on the ground feet on doors and that was really helpful and we targeted that. The second one they did really nicely was um a smaller
076community, right? So, it's a little easier, but they like Jennifer down there, superintendent, was tireless and like held I don't know how many coffees in people's living rooms, right? And said talk to four people. She had a bench where two people came >> and she really reached out. I work in Kansas. Yeah, >> she really reached out for the people that um were not affiliated with the schools, didn't know anything about the about the levy, didn't know anything about or much about the school district, I mean or that were strong nos and she really wanted to have she had some really difficult conversations with a lot of people and and persuaded. >> Yeah, you had to. If you look at the numbers, you had to win on a lot of >> numbers and she was
077I don't think she slept for months. I feel >> I thought we were going to honestly very close. I I when they they never pulled above 50 46%. >> But your Yeah, they never But they knew, you know, we did that polling for them in late December, early January when Jennifer came and said, "Jeremy, we we got to go for it cuz otherwise we're going to we're laying off 100% of our staff and I can't look them in the eyes without saying I tried." And and so I said, "Okay, you know, you never got stupid." Like, it was one of those flashy things. I was like, "Yeah, I I'm with you because you you care and you're you know, you're committed, but your numbers like you guys are in a much better spot starting wise,
078numbers wise, they they never they started at like 36% on situation with our bond expiring, our bond expiring, just replacing and but that's not >> Yeah, that's coming up next as much. So we have a lot of it's just it's a different situation. >> Yeah. >> And the levy and new money levies are incredibly don't I've everyone's been asking me about these levies. I was like they were late. I mean they were you know a little bit of a hill Mary by these districts cuz they understood they had to do it and a new money levy. It's a different conversation you're going to have cuz you're talking about people for starters. Talking about budget what did you do with your budget, right? like and that becomes a hard conversation like I don't >> like um
079and so you're spending a lot of time on defense defending your cuts and stuff you've done and bonds are a different animal pointing to buildings you're talking about fixing boilers you're talking you know it's an easier proposition so more tangibles >> you have a lot of tangibles so it's >> yeah you have tangible you have you have photos of broken leaky stuff right >> that's what you and I are doing after graduation happens and that's something a lot crazy. It's amazing to me the number of conversations I have with other parents where I talk about the leaks and they're like, "They're leaking." And I'm like, >> "Yeah, yeah, but we don't see it because you keep it too well hidden." >> It's not that not that hidden, man. Our most effective we the Malala we
080did the Malala campaign and that was uh our entire fra they had they lost what like four times according to the battle again and >> we uh the most effective video we had was I just ran it was they had in their middle school um boiling water pipes that that went in the ceiling um at burst as they had to close school for three three days and all it was this I think version you know their the facilities guy just took a video on his cell phone of like 30 seconds of this boiling hot water it's draining on the ceiling and I just put it up on social media and put a bunch of money behind it and all I did was say the date Malala Middle School vote yes on on the bottom and
081it had no no narration no just it was most shared it if anything could go viral in Malala that video did right because it was simple way to bring people in and to show them, you know. >> Okay, Ivan, you know the assignment. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Whack them up little garbage cans out. >> We got we we got plenty of plenty. >> All right. So, uh thank you very much for all the information that you shared with us. what we need to decide as we move forward to prepare for our meeting next week um is the amount that you want to put and it's it seems like there was some really good information that that you provided us from the poll. Um so I I think I'd like to just call for a motion
082for an amount. So we had two amounts that we've been tossing around a 55 million and a 60 million amount. We've talked before in our meetings about what the the tax rate would be for both of those amounts, what they will cover. Um we've we've spent a lot of time on this. Um I feel like we just need to make a decision, move forward so that we can get um our motion next week. >> I can make a motion and we can discuss. >> Oh, I Well, let's I'd like a motion on the table and then we can have a conversation and then we can vote for the motion. >> Um I'd like a motion to put forth the $55 million bond. I second. >> Okay. >> Discussion. >> Yeah. Okay. And then um so
083discussion what get what gets lost in the in the 5 million that we >> turf turf fields. >> That's turf. Remember turfing the athletic fields was anywhere between like I think like 3 to 6 million in and of itself. And even if we wanted to do it we had that could fit in a pile that could be encompassed by the awesome grant. But the awesome grant would likely go into a lot of other things that we had discussed. So that's not a guarantee that it would go towards turf, but that would be aspect. >> There is however a need to if that's if it's a if turf is out, turf is still in in that we need to upgrade the irrigation, improve the drainage, and grade the field, which is in very source straits. That's
084a more manageable, sustainable place. >> It's a muddy field over there. >> It is. >> Yeah. >> It looks like an old parking lot when you stand out there and look. It's got a lot of >> That's interesting. I did. I feel like just based on the polling, it would be more beneficial for us to go for the 55 and have a better chance of passing the bond than chancing the 60 and have a not as good chance at passing the bond. That's my personal opinion. And so that that's why I would be in agreement with5, but I'm really one. >> No, I'm I'm there with you. Honestly, just dropping it. Right now, if we're at 432 and we're able to drop it to 3, even 299 would be amazing. So, >> just the optics
085of that would I think help so much. >> So, I I just we can't afford to lose this over $5 million. I think there's also like a real advantage in messaging where like we're talking about what our district needs and that number is north of 100 million and you know even considering 60 versus 55 we're tightening our belts the way that everyone else in this community is tightening their belts in face of like increased costs. So like I like the idea of streamlining and simplifying the messaging. So it it really is like we're we're cutting from what the previous bond rate is going to be and we made a concerted effort to cut it as much as we could being mindful of community needs while also being able to provide for what we structurally need
086to >> maintain. Yeah. And still cover the basic minimum that we need to keep kids safe and >> and to your point, you know, we it's that message of we listen to you. 70 million was too much last time. Okay. And now we're coming up. As far as the grading um of the fields, what would you imagine the expense to be there? >> Close to half or what? >> the turf would be. I received the numbers today actually >> to look at them up. >> It's not cheap. >> Not cheap. No, those are huge deals. Yeah. >> So, they're still a loss in a sense with that. Do you know what you qualify for? Awesome grand know that 10.2. >> Yeah. Well, we have every intention of reapplying and you're in a good position to
087win it. >> Yeah. Okay. >> With the awesome, >> would we be able to afford the turf or >> what? >> With the awesome grant. >> Yes. >> With so all of our projects are around $50 million. >> Okay. So if you got $65 million, you can certainly be looking at the other things the district needs. What I worry about is what we put in the bond language. That's going to make sure we're as accurate as possible. >> Absolutely. >> And my other concern is u technology infrastructure, which we're not even talking about tonight. So >> yeah, >> I mean at some point you got to get real with that as well. But I'm I'm perfectly happy to take it off the table alto together because that doesn't seem to be part of the conversation.
088But if we get the awesome grant, I'm not sure how that fits into the bond language that we eventually pass. I just want to make sure we don't do something wrong. >> We we'll just want to mention it when once we can we can figure this out timing wise. Um cuz you the awesome grant deadline or opening to apply July 15th, >> correct? And um so we'll want to make sure that the language you pass next week has some wiggle room for us to insert into the that you've qualified for the awesome grant and the summary. You don't put it caption in question unless it's a onetoone match type situation where you're trying to sell it as a but >> you you have no obligation legally to put what you're going to do with that
089awesome grant money, right? So your summary and your ballot link is your contract with voters, right? So what you list you're going to do in your summary is what you're going to do. Now most of it will like I've written so many of these and lawyers I work with have you know we work together a lot that will write the language to give you as much maximum flexibility for future you know co >> um you know for instance I have some clients uh but within reason though you do have to do the projects as promised summary but awesome grant money is not part of that promise you just say eligible for awesome grant if if bond passes because you only get it that passes at that point you as a board or as a district
090how or you however you decide to do your >> decision on it um would then have that discussion how you going to have to cover >> that 10 million so it would be enough and it's something that's a good talking point in your community if you were to get to that point hey we had to cut things but there was a matching grant that is at no cost to you voters we actually can add 10 million to our bond projects without causing you to send uh it could cover things like >> I think what gets lost sometimes is you go in with a plan and a list but there are always unknowns when you get in there and and you don't sometimes get to some of those tier 2 projects usually it's categorized that way
091tier one two and three >> and that remains on the list um someone asked me today and I said well here here's the deal if replacing the code ba base in your office wasn't on the list. I can't use bond dollars to do it. It's simply that simple. So, it's important to have that list as robust as possible because there's also a good possibility that we experience savings on some of these projects because quite honestly, we we went with like for example, I chose the most expensive roof and I got the most expensive roof quote. So, I'm hoping to experience some savings there. That's obviously just for this room, but if we experience savings in one place, we get to apply them somewhere else. >> But it's got to be >> as long as the
092projects are right. >> You can do that as long as the projects are right. So, it can't be that I saved money and now I'm going to go get a Cadillac. >> That's not how that's going to work. That's why I worry about escalating cost. >> That's where the the accountability committee comes in. >> Has to be. We will have a bond oversight committee and we'll have a bond oversight committee selected before the bond passes so that we have people on board ready to go and it kind of shows where our heart's at as far as accountability goes that we really mean business with accountability by having a robust oversight. >> It can make all the difference in the world. >> Absolutely. I I I feel like I know the answer to this, but you
093know the ins and outs of all the buildings. Is there anything we're not thinking about with regards to what's included in it so far? Does this does this >> Well, Dr. Gray mentioned the infrastructure for uh it that's really significant if we're going to keep pace with teaching and learning. Um that's imperative. You know, there's a lot of little things like automation. We have two buildings that have failed automation systems, which is probably costing us more money to, you know, manually manage the lights and do things and it's not working. It's not programming. That's part of security and safety. Things like that need to be included. The access controls, the intercom system, all part of safety, >> but they need to be on a list somewhere. included as parts of >> other things cuz you
094don't want to come up with such infinite decimal list that now >> oh you just hammer yourself in and then you forget other things that we can't possibly do that I'm not arguing with you I'm just saying we have to be careful that you know what is a part of the what is a part of the project and what are the the the broader you know we're talking about a balcony view here of what it is that we need >> and that's why I'm saying is that we need to understand what those bullet points are that are kind of >> yes >> shadowed there to that >> yes >> intentionally they >> um yeah I mean you you write your language you write your language give you as much cover for those projects. Yeah. But
095you also need to make sure when we go out and talk in the fall or the summer that you have a project list by school that doesn't have list square footage or the exact >> blah blah blah but or the contractor who's going to do the roof, right? But it does need to say we're going to have to replace the roof at the end. And I think I think one of the things that like you know parts of the community misunderstand is that like when we vote for a bond like this they seem to think part of the accountability for us is under the assumption that we've somehow got quotes we're going to operate under before the bond is passed. So when the bond and if it passes suddenly that's what we're paying for. and
096and like us being dialed in around the language has to be specific enough so we know what the money is targeting but also not so specific enough that it's like you know if we panics we're talking you know a year from today maybe when a lot of those dollars going to be flowing and who knows what you know pricing is going to cost you know like >> ideally you've got good enough pricing up front though that you have >> some ideas >> like you said you got quotes you have ideas this is based in you know your questions based on reality >> and if I can mentioned being vague in in the language isn't being nefarious. It's being able to adjust to >> say things like roofs as opposed to replace roofs with a 30-year
097asphalt shingle manufactured by >> that doesn't work. >> Yeah. So >> me manufactured by me. >> Yeah, >> that'll go well. >> Oh yeah, let's do some self-dealing. Right. >> We're lucky that I haven't got so many good quotes before. having never started and he has such a deep view of what the things are. It feels like to me, you know, to your question, Jennifer, um I may not have been here very long, but from what I have seen and what I've viewed and what we've talked about, this seems like such a comprehensive bond. >> And you all also did the work of your community forums. You did those assessments. you are aware of what this district needs and I think that there's enough in here to really cover most of what the district needs.
098There's other grants and other things we can do for technology we haven't even tapped into yet. And I did communicate with an energy savings company that I thought was an interesting idea and met with them and talked about are there possibilities of kind of not cominging but side by side are there energy savings projects that we would have dollars for that might save the district money in the long run while we're doing bond projects around uh paybacks on windows around paybacks on control systems on paybacks on um lighting And so we had a robust conversation and I asked them to provide just a very broad stroke of information to the board about what they are able to to talk about and and um we just have to uncover everything while we're doing this and while
099we're while we're doing this we want to talk about that including our seismic project which we'll talk about at the board meeting. Yeah, I was just going to add I think we've done so much labor work the last two years. Um we had so many meetings and assessments and >> um quotes and all the together to get to the point where we are where we have the the overall structure and costs narrowed down so that we know how much >> we need and how much we could go after. So, um, with that, any further questions before we vote for comments? >> All right, Jennifer >> Clark, >> yes. >> Nicole, >> yes. >> Stacy's absent. Charlie, >> yes. >> Andrew, >> yes. >> Jennifer, >> yes. >> Okay. >> In direction of my boxes. A
100bullying games and unified board. >> Yeah. Excellent. Thank you so much for your time so much. Appreciate it. >> Parody video for the back side of the ballot. Check out the back side of that ballot. >> Yeah, there. But if we're heading to adjourn our meeting at 7:20 20 bet we going to go ready