001unless you're getting really comfortable with what we what we put in the food service. And so those are the four questions that received. >> Any uh comments from the board? Any discussion from the board or budget committee? >> I have a couple quick questions. I mean, easily explainable, I'm sure. I just I feel like >> I hate typing questions up in emails. Um, >> and it's kind of generalization. There's a lot of items. Of course, everything goes up all the time. >> Um, a lot have gone up a lot. Some have come down a little >> like uh you know, the resource room from 2023 to 2026 is is double. Um, I'm assuming that's because of the middle school and I a lot of these are probably because of that, but is that sustainable? I
002mean, I know we had to add middle school because we had, you know, extra kids and it works. It's great. I'm not I'm not trying saying that, but is some of these items that are double like, you know, maintenance upkeep, you know, went from 8 830 to 1.3 >> and what you >> uh 25 just maintenance upkeep, building services. I mean that that to me is a it's a half million dollar jump and that's that's a huge increase. Again, are we expecting those numbers to go down some? >> So some of these are on the salaries with the maintenance like Dan transportation now is in maintenance. >> Okay. >> And so the transportation would be flip-flopped, right? >> Um the uh purposes if you look at purpose that's just foration. Mhm. >> Um we have
003um see >> the fiscal services is also where I changed where people's FTE were at. >> Mhm. >> So if you look at the total um salaries, yes, there's increases because of payroll costs, right? >> So a large amount of our increases is due to the roal costs which are a large percentage budget >> as a state. And as far as sped, >> we went from two >> Mhm. >> to four. >> Yeah. >> Um which which had to happen. >> Yeah. >> I mean that there we were way over the 15% cap. I mean >> huge. And so there we had to have I mean just to stay with theou or our um um what's it called? Um >> yeah. Yeah. We haven't made sure that we added that. And I think and I
004don't see I mean with um middle school having 25 plus one case load, high school having 20 plus one case load. Um all every one of them I think are all 20 plus in the case loads and you just can't go any lower than that. I mean so I I think that's that's that's why we got that huge jump. >> We also we receive money for our actual students. So that is actually actual added revenue >> um that we do receive to help offset that. Also in the sped, don't forget we have a sped grant. >> Mhm. >> I put that all in general fund. >> So this year I put it all in whereas I'm not sure put half cuz I knew we were getting it. I put it all in this year. Um
005so that is also part of the jump on the bed side. >> Right. Right. >> And we have Yeah. We have a lot more high high cost students. So we have to make sure we have the aids appropriate for that. >> Right. But sustainability, we do receive more money um for high costability. Um and our we do a sex census which shows all your spend kits each December. And so that also plays into back or state, >> right? And and all that makes sense. I I mean I just go pick out the numbers and I just put it in Excel and go through it all. Just when you go from an operating budget of, you know, 8 point some million to 11 million. That's scary. Yeah. Over over three years. And you know question sustainability
006is there you know what's what's what's the percent increase the state gives for kids does that is that on par every ban >> it's been going up I don't >> 3 to 5% you know the question is you know what are we going to look at planning you know starting next year right which you know you never know um but >> yeah it it it has been going up is it I don't think it I think it's really >> a little less than rollup costs Mhm. >> Um which is that's why the you know the big public schools up north um and you know Eugene North are all kind of going down >> because because they're the the rollup is just more than than the actual what the state's getting. So that you know luckily
007we have >> had one of the only schools if not the only school had an increase in enrollment in the last three years. Um whereas you know so that that's that's the big one. >> Yeah. Can can we continue to sustain 550 or more? Because if we do, we're fine. >> Yeah. >> If we drop to 520 like everything else, trouble, >> right? >> Well, that's why it's most important to reduce your debt service, >> right? >> And that's and that's great. Yeah. I mean, that that's obvious that, you know, that's that's great. I just just if it's 3 to 5% per kid annually or cost goes up 30% annually, >> that's probably an adult pencil dude. Thank you much. that done very personal. >> Yeah. Okay. I just I mean I figured it all.
008I just figured I would ask kind of make sure I just to get to thinking boy if it continues and somebody goes off the you look at all these other school districts and >> and you know salary is the huge expense and you sit in the negotiations and it's it's it's not sustainable if you were to you know at some point even the little bit's not I mean so any that's a different subject but >> that's it. Any other comments from the budget committee? Yes. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> I do want to offer my apologies for being late and not being here for budget week. Um and uh so I apologize if these discussions have already happened. I think for us, I mean, one for you, Lacy, you do an incredible job. I love
009to listen to you talk about the budget in a way that we can understand. My question is in doing this work um what is the best support that we can give you or that we can watch as a board for the work that you're doing? Um um just with the reports that I gave you monthly if you analyze those I try to keep it simple but if you have questions on those you can because I don't get a lot of feedback and so maybe start analyzing the reports that I give you >> some harder question challenge you >> because we trust you so much. Yes. Thank you. Um >> because I like what you collectively what's helpful for you to understand, you know, how we're operating. >> Yeah. >> Makes sense. >> And I I
010like I like the reports, but I see someone like, "Oh, 25 grand. What was that for?" Well, it's probably a good reason. I have I have faith in what you guys do, what Steve does, so I don't ask the question, but it's like obviously we must have had to pay a bill somewhere for something. Um, and I guess I can just ask more because to me it's just the, you know, the it's a large increase proportionally and >> Well, and you sometimes unless you're going through the whole 30 130 pages, you don't see the shift. >> Yeah. >> Where it's really not on my end, it's not a lot of the functions are different, you know, but >> hard to keep track. >> Yeah. 30 pages. >> Yeah. Um, and my second question is for
011Superintendent Perkins. Um, in terms of our B board work, um, there are things that you hear in the state and in the news that can make our blood pressure come up when it comes to our school district and the anticipation that we had watching all these other stu the school districts roll through these budget um, catastrophes and we've been able to stay really stable. What do you think is the most important for us to stay in that condition? Is that watching our enrollment? Would you say that our enrollment is our number one thing to pay attention to to help keep us in that spot? Or is it watching the state to support increasing the cost per child? What would you say? >> Well, it's both, but you know, the the enrollment drives your cost per
012child, right? So, that I mean, and and any kind of drop um significant drop, and I'm talking, you know, 10 or more when you get into 10, you're talking about, you know, um 130 $140,000 out of revenue. And that's that's a teacher, >> you know, every every 10 kids teach maybe maybe more like eight kids is is an FTE. Um so I think you know the the driver for us in in in budgeting is that we are going to become topheavy in the next two years. We're going to have nearly 50 kids a class at the high school, which is going to the high school is going to go from 115 kids to 190 over the next three in the next two years. So that and that and we're graduating at 24 or 25. >>
013Mhm. >> Um so what's happened in the last three years since I've been here is that we graduate 27, we bring in 50 or 45. Okay. This year we're graduating or last year, you know, we graduated 33, but we only brought in 35. So that's only a positive two. And really when you could talk about graduation rate and kindergarten start, you want a plus 10. And and in in a couple years, when you get to this sophomore class that has 50 kids and they graduate 40, let's just say 45, okay? 90%. And if and if we don't if we don't start raising the kindergarten numbers. So you you graduate 45 and you bring in 35. There's your minus 10. That's the biggest concern for the Myrtle Point school district is that in the next four
014years because we are actually it's six years we're topheavy. And then you're going to talk about okay are we going to move teachers or what are we going to do to sustain that number? Like I said, we're so our our classes five through 10 right now are high, the biggest ones in in the district. And then our kinder and first grade are numbers two and three because our seniors are the lowest. Okay. >> So So that's that's not a good scenario and that we have that's something that that has to be really we have to consider >> in the as the budget rolls and hoping that maybe we get 45 kinders next year rather than 36. you know that that so that that's a that's a really big that those numbers are huge. So it's
015really, you know, we we drive budget on on Kinders and and so that's kind of, you know, where we're moving toward and what we'll do in the next couple three years. >> Right now sustainable >> and then there's a possibility that if you start an online school, >> right, you and and and the idea with that is to retain kids and continue to sustain the numbers of kids that we have, >> right? >> And and and any kind of increase is just bonus, right? But sustaining the 550, which is the I think a golden number for this district, 540 to 550, um it's doable. But when you drop into the 520s, 525, five, then you then you have issues. And that and the online school, if you can retain 15, 20, 25, 30, you know,
016whatever that's going to happen in the next two years, three years, um will will drive this district. So that's and that's that's really what that's really what we need and that's what we have to have. That's I'm kind of assuming the online kids is keeping them from leaving. Currently, it'll be gain some that have already left. >> Oh, absolutely. >> But but then it'll be a game of of instead of leaving, they'll stay in the >> That's correct. But go. >> So those So we're not going to give them a choice. >> Yeah. honestly um when they want to go when we're making the decision or their family's making the decision to go online >> rather than um uh you know they're not going to get the choice of going to go they're not going
017to interlocking we're blocking that choice they're they're coming they're starting here now if it doesn't work then they can you know then they can do something else but we're going to we know we're going to capture those kids and we'll capture we're going to capture several next year that are currently going to Winter Lakes. So, we should we should get a little bit of, you know, like I said, we we're kind of softping this thing. 10 to 15, maybe 20, 25. I mean, you know, I I don't I don't want to get you don't want to get too big too quick because you can't because you cannot handle it. You have to have someone there, you know, then then you get into FTE >> and we want that I want to, you know, again, soft
018pedal that until we get to a point where we have to have an online teacher. >> There's got to be someone here. And honestly, that's 12 kids. 12 kids pays for a teacher and and then and we actually have excess revenue. You get to 15, you get to 20. It's all it's all a bonus. >> And and we'll need that as we scale down. >> And that's by going through Edum. We don't we don't have to have all the FTE. They're supplying all the FTE. That's their $2,500. That's that's their, you know, that's that's what they're, you know, for for $2,500. We're getting all of that. We can't do it for $2,500. Not even close. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> So, >> um, one of the first things you talked about when you, um, when
019you started working with us is about trying to recruit kindergarteners and the programs they should support or look towards to be able to bring in those kindergarteners. And I can remember trying to look back was it there are issues around early childhood education that transition you into kindergarten that we aren't able to offer that is makes us less um >> now that we have a full pre preschool program. >> I I think we cover that base. Um, and and honestly, there's probably I think we have three or three to five kids in this district that are online as kinders. I really don't want to go there. Um, because I don't know what kind of education I can't even I can't even imagine. Um, but they're doing it. Honestly, they're doing it. So, >> why not
020try it? You know, I don't want to jump into that. I really didn't want to jump into the five the K5 thing. But if that's what where we have to go to retain kids, you know, and our own students, I say we try it. >> But I'm I'll be the first one to say this is not working. >> I mean, I I want a quality education. And and and I'm not going to do that for a kinder that's not getting any any of we're receiving dollars, but they're getting no education. That's unfair. >> And I and I won't and I won't go there. >> Yeah. Do you think the lack of child care in this area is what's hurting us with the kindergarteners? >> It is, but it's again, you know, you have the Koch
021thing and I don't know that it's worked or or is working um per se. I just know that they're they are sustaining some dollars because, you know, they're they're having they have childcare. You know, it's that's an expensive endeavor >> of of you know, of the school district supplying childare. >> It's expensive. And so again, that that's another budgeting process that that really would need to be researched before you even jump into that, you know, going in that direction. Why are they going somewhere else? That would be our question. >> Well, unfortunately, we have an area does have the entry level housing, >> right? That's I mean, you're not going to fix that. I mean, there's no So, that that's something out of control, but that is the in my opinion the driving factor of
022of how how do you na you can't navigate? We have no control over that. And that and again and so that's that those are the budgeting things that that's what we have to consider >> as as as a budget committee as a board. How do we retain kids? How do we keep them here versus and then also try to make it quality. Quality is important. >> What else? Good comments, good discussion. Yeah. >> Um, well, that must lead us then into >> Carl, I I do have one question. Um, and this is just because I haven't been part of the, uh, school board for a while or budgeting committee. Um, so when federal dollars are reduced, um, how long, like how long does that usually last for? Oh, >> maybe that's because I don't that's
023political. Depends on who's driving the country. Um, and it really depends. I mean, and and I hate, you know, that's just the way it is. Um, so you know there it really um whatever side you may be on, Democrat, Republican, it doesn't really matter because that's not what we do here because we don't do politics, right? But that's that's a political process. Um, and you know that there it depends on your beliefs, but some some believe that they're less government's better and some believe that more government's better, whatever that may be. Um, but currently we're trying to decrease the the federal spending. Um, and that's going to that's going to affect our federal funds. Um, has it has it substantially? No, it's minimal at best. Um, in fact, we have more title dollars this year
024than next year than than prior. So those are impactful for the huge districts that have all of those people in the f in their, you know, in the federal budget process and they they can't they can't sustain that. And then when you reduce it a little bit, it's it's hurtful for them. And then that's why they're all, you know, they either had extra dollars or federal dollars paying for a bunch of these FTE. Now they have neither, right? So you have a reduction in federal dollars and you have no SSR dollars. So that's why you're seeing huge amounts of cuts up north. And we I we're small enough that it's if you look at other districts in our our size around the state, they're not getting they're not getting hammered unless unless three years a
025four years ago, they opted to buy um all sorts of specialists with SR dollars. >> We didn't do that. >> We did not do them. My point did not do that. Nor did my district in Port that you cannot you could not. But but they did. That's why districts are getting hurt. So So for for us, you know, they're not they're never going to shut that valve off, right? Um and it's and it's it's if it just stays approximately the same, we're fine. I mean, and like I said, so so I it's I don't think it's as variable as as most people think, >> but but it's at least a two-year thing. Could be a eightyear thing. >> That's exactly right. That's exactly right. >> They're soft dollars. I'm glad you uh because you just
026answered my comment that I was going to talk about the board. You you and the board made a wise decision several years ago with the esser dollars and like I said, you spend it on what you were supposed to spend it on and not on personnel and that's why the districts around the state some close by having to make big cuts. And so that was a that was a wise decision and the bargaining they were they wanted us to give it to them. >> Yeah. It's not sufficient that way. >> Any other comments? >> Well, then do I hear a motion? You look on the back of this comment. You some sample motions we need to pass the uh uh the school district budget and we need to set the permanent tax rate. I move
027that the point school district budget for 2627 in the aggregate amount of 19,965,916 be approved as recommended by staff. General fund 11,655,000. Special revenue fund 4,516,790. Debt service fund 393,446. Capital projects fund 2,500,000. Inter agency fund 75,000 trust and agency funds 825,500. >> Do I hear a second? A second. Second by Greg. Okay. All in favor raise your hand. I >> I So I can pass. All right. Now the permanent tax rate. Do I hear a motion for that? >> I move that the permanent tax rate of $4.5152 per $1,000 value be levied in support of the general fund. >> Second. I'll second from Greg. All in favor, raise your right hand. Passes. Where did >> Thank you.