Pelham School Committee Meeting

001you are good okay seeing the presence of a quorum i'm called to order this meeting of the pelham school committee at 6 30 pm um we are supposed to approve minutes sasha put them all together and i just forgot to send them to you all so we will have to table that for next time um public comment i did not receive anything so mike i hope you're ready because you're up already i'm actually going to do i'm going to pass the ball tonight too to lee because lee has a tremendous number of fantastic updates because the agenda items that i have kind of encompassed some of the updates i would give and to my budget and the preschool um i'm going to pass it on to lee who will do that and i'll give more

002updates along the way on the agenda items listed okay great all right well i brought props because i figured it was going to be a long meeting so i wanted to share with you a couple um a couple of things that are happening in the community so i'll start as usual with the students so our all school read this month is mixed me by tay diggs so it's one of the books that we chose um in partnership with high five books they're all uh about bipac kids or bye bye poc authors and this one is about identity um in keeping with the theme of anti-racism in our school this year we're working on black history month all year long and right now our third graders are learning about black scientists and inventors and we're gearing

003up for our all-school meeting in february where all classes will get to share some of the black history month all year long learning that they've been doing this year exciting news our paw prints student-run newspaper has started up so the students met for the first time this past week and we'll have the first edition hitting inboxes soon we also have our very first cardboard challenge happening next weekend so that's coordinated by our amazing art teacher and she's really encouraged everyone to save all their amazon boxes for the past month so apologies to all the families with massive stacks of cardboard but it should be really cool to see some of the things that the kids make our one of our other specialists our pe teacher mr arabian is going to be offering community workouts starting

004on wednesday evenings starting next week so i'll add that to this week's pelham press um just as a way for folks to hit the reset button he's going to incorporate mindfulness and some of the workout moves that he does with the kids in pe class but they'll be for everybody and then finally our kindergarten museum is in process right now so starting this week families will be able to come two families at a time signed up with mr lori and miss sage to come see some of the kindergartners work out on the field so we're excited to be rethinking some some of the traditions ron did i hear you correctly kindergarten exam oh museum museum oh okay thank you for clarifying no we're not there's a new sheriff in town right no i no no

005no oh gosh well that would get me run out of town pretty quickly i think so moving on to staff um the staff as you know we've been looking really closely at attendance and right now we're trying to take a little bit of a deeper look behind the attendance numbers to what the engagement looks like so we're doing a little bit of short-term data collection and having some great conversations with the staff about how we can support families and students engaging with remote learning and all the different ways that that can look we had a professional development day yesterday and we did a combination of some digital learning tools and we're continuing on with our year-long book study of this book try to get on screen it's called onward and it's about cultivating emotional resilience

006and the chapter that we worked through yesterday was about optimism which i mean optimism in january should probably be a theme of every professional development um especially in this time so it was really uplifting we spent some time talking about stories about students that we've loved and that we've we shared with each other and it was it was a really nice community building time in the midst of a really busy week so we also have some upcoming professional development on the updated let's talk curriculum formerly known as ski and i know you'll be hearing more about that when we come together next month and then finally we have a group of staff working to plan our black history month all school meeting and then last but not least our family community is also reading an

007exciting book so this month's book for our family staff book club is by dr bettina love it's called we want to do more than survive um and dr love came and addressed the entire staff at our um at our district-wide professional development day in november and she's just really inspiring to a lot of our staff so it was an easy pick for the next read um so we'll be meeting in february to talk about that book there's a pto meeting tonight so i know we may have lost some folks to that or people are jumping back and forth they're in the midst of a logo contest and they're also looking for a few new board members for next year um so just a little extra plug for the pto all of you are very busy

008so i wouldn't recommend taking that on but if you know anyone who wants to get more involved in the school community it's a great way to do it ron just a hint on the logo if it includes anything like a pine tree make sure it's a hemlock i've been tipped off to the controversy so i'll pass that along and then finally i'm continuing on with my afternoon tea times with families and getting some input from the community about themes that would be helpful you know so whether that's bringing in one of our in-house staff experts to talk about something like mindfulness or healthy tech habits for families or movement breaks kind of just getting a sense from the parent community about things that would be helpful but those will continue on too so busy as

009always at school any other questions from folks no all right thanks so much lee um all right next up is fiscal year 22 budget yep and so uh before we turn over to dr slaughter um i just want to give a couple updates that i chose to do um i'll choose to do now because it influences things so we had a meeting with staff by we i mean dr slaughter um i'm just gonna say doug we're gonna we're in pelham we're among friends so doug lee and i um had a meeting uh it was pretty well attended by the pelham staff uh this week on monday so that we kept them abreast of the budget developments there were three pieces of good news that we shared with them and some of them you know they

010relate to this year as we talked about in previous meetings that there are implications so the first is that we successfully have rented the pelham gym starting this week five evening or afternoons a week um we estimate that'll bring in in the neighborhood of ten to twelve thousand dollars in this year's budget which you know it connects to next year's budget i feel like it's clean on that because you know we're concerned we're gonna have to pull more from choice which would influence next year's budget uh from the current year and also i'll say it's just great there's a lot of pelham kids involved um i was there on monday for um their soccer and uh for for not a huge group of kids because of covid we have a pretty you know it's not

011close to what a full class of 20 students would be um just because of distancing um there's a much higher percentage of pelham kids than i think ever participated in any of the previous amherst recreation activities that used to be held in amherst so i think separate from the income i actually think it's been a great outlet for pelham folks and the other thing i noticed was there was a child who i don't know but she self-identified as being a pelham student and chum so glad to be back in the school like there was like there was like uh kind of mythic value in being back uh inside the walls uh in this activity um and so you know i'm really glad that not only the income coming in to help the budget but uh

012it's it's certainly being seen by pelham families as something that they have access to uh and not that amherst is very far for refers right down the road some of these maybe school choice families don't live in pelham but the reality is it's been well attended by pelham families and what i heard today from someone who's coaching in the basketball clinic is the same is true for the basketball group that they're having a higher percentage of pelham kids participate and this is someone who's done basketball clinics for a long time uh so you know that's a really happy story um you know and happy fiscally but also happy in terms of some of the outcomes second piece of of good news uh that we had is that we got our december charter report and there

013are still no students from the town of pelham listed on the state's charter report it's been around long enough you know that there is no guarantees with that um i'll believe it on july 1st um and that's sort of where we are but nonetheless no news or zeros or good news is good news for us and so i want to pass along that because that has implications and the last piece of good news uh early tentative good news is that in late december the federal government passed the second cares act and it had money for school districts it's uh the challenges it's based on title one formula uh but i in a conference call with the state they are trying to work out much like the first cares act that non-title one schools at least

014get some increment and that can be applied in the current fiscal year but also can be applied in the next fiscal year as well um so uh we're not out of the woods as dr slaughter you know i like my role i get to tell the good news uh we'll have we'll have doug come in and do a little bit of a dose of reality that this doesn't resolve uh the challenges we have but i think on the front uh i think the message i'd like to give before doug starts going is uh if any one of those three variables that went south would be in much worse shape so we are not resolved it's not pollyanna and it's not like there's no problem with in the pelham public school uh at the same time

015right if the rental thing was a flop and nobody came that would have been a problem if there were no cares that coming i know um like i didn't announce something this evening about more uh federal funds that he's hoping to send uh to schools and local governments so you know that's good news and certainly if the charter news was different that would be significantly worse so i think the hard thing right that's all the good news the hard thing is we still aren't in great fiscal shape um but any one of those three going the wrong way would have had a much more negative impact on where we're sitting now and as we head towards 22. before we turned over to doug i thought i saw a hand go up yeah ron did you

016have a question go ahead at tuesday's joint meeting i asked the question when do i get to ask whether we'll have in-person learning in the fall of 21 2021 and i was told to ask that question or do something at this meeting when do i raise that issue i think it would be the oh i'm sorry so i think the closest agenda item right now is on health metrics memorandum of under uh agreement um i think more specifically if it's going to be a deeper conversation for the palm school committee i'd recommend putting that on the agenda for the february meeting um but i think you know as it relates to budget it's a bit of a leap for that to be um you know agenda specific i mean it does have an influence but

017um certainly i think miss hall and i hear you clearly that that is something you feel really strongly about being able to discuss with this body i can't speak at all but uh both okay um can i also just ask a quick question i can't believe i'm even bringing this up so the the charter thing in the past the reason that we've had the report showing someone in july but not in december has that's been because of a student with residents in two towns because of parents who live separately right so it is still wonderful one of the times that was the case the other time it was a clerical mistake okay all right and then we don't there wasn't i just remember having this really long conversation with that person who has since retired

018where like we literally use the term black box of data and stuff like that has that been reviewed do we know that there is anyone that could live in town part of the time right so we don't we can't say definitively and they won't tell us definitively but the um what happened last year is they did let us know that the split resident family was no longer all i know is they were no longer on the books for us so i you know i don't know if that meant they could have moved they could the family could not be enrolled in the chinese charter school a whole bunch of variables and so they told us that and that played out in june last year thankfully so um my sense is that that is uh fingers

019crossed a resolved issue but there's no real way to know they have not resolved their data system to be able to accurately predict that for towns and communities nope his response to me was if a person lives in pelham that's your responsibility yep so the door-to-door effort i could resume but it's a little hard in the combat time so with all that uh slightly positive news i'll then turn it to doug to share uh where we are and i'm not trying to flip about it we're still in a hard place right we're still uh looking at dwindling choice revenue we're still looking at some structural deficit uh within pelham public school i i started with the three things not just to be again pollyannaish but if those three things had went another way we might

020be in the the dire place and now we're in the slightly less dire but still significant structural deficit plays um and that's a better place to be and then if those variables had went south but i'll turn it over to doug right so i think i'll begin with if uh and i believe the superintendent sent out uh probably middle of the day uh a single sheet that was laying out uh uh the circumstances as i thought it was i i didn't send that out to panic you um uh but needless to say after after our conversation about charter and choice numbers for the for the for the current year um i realized in looking over and preparing for tonight that i hadn't included that good news in the calculation so i have a new version

021of that sheet that uh hopefully the superintendent can display for you a little bit and and and uh share on screen i'm hoping if not i can i can potentially do it but he's probably more facile with the software than i am all right i'll give it a go dug but uh since i'm since i'm at home my wife my bandwidth starts uh getting iffy since i see you're in the office i'll i'll turn it back to you but i'll get the revised sheet up in a second okay but you know the the primary thing i would like to point out is that we'll start with with uh you know some of the things that didn't change between this afternoon and this evening which is that uh you know we have currently uh a certain

022number of uh you know about 42 students in our choice into our school district that generates a certain amount of revenue we tend to have and try to keep a balance of revenue uh excuse me choice revenue um we try to keep a balance of choice revenue so that we have some flexibility year to year um and so you know in an effort to be uh conservative in estimates uh you know we have about four kids that are leaving sixth grade uh and going to seventh grade next year and our current uh kindergarten class has six school choice kits so i presumed an uptick of two if we get a much more uh you know positive uh response relative to school choice for for next year that will help our our income during the year

023um in looking at the balances of what we have on hand basically at the end of this year uh given the amount of school choice we're using this year we have about 225 000 we have just about a thousand dollars less than that is the anticipated uh amount of of uh choice revenues we'll have in the bank essentially uh and so that's why the choice number for uh this uh budget planning process is set at 225 we're basically using uh the money we have on hand and trying not to use our uh money that we'll be bringing in during the year next year um but nonetheless it goes back to the last conversation we had around our our choice uh balance and our use of that of that money so you'll see that 225 is

024at the bottom of this of this chart which may be just a smidge off screen there it is uh 225 thousand dollars is is what we're anticipating using from choice revenues to help support our budget um you'll also notice that uh you know the biggest increase is at the top of the chart which is our people and and you know this is by virtue of our estimate of the staff we have and and moving ahead to next year uh with the you know negotiated uh contracts that we have uh you know the the increase looks to be about 58 000 you know the short story is in general the the town of pelham likes us to shoot for about a two and a half percent increase in in uh what the town is actually paying

025for the school in their actual revenues um and that equals about forty thousand dollars so needless to say you know by virtue of our just normal steps and and that sort of thing in the contract we're above that that uh that target of two and a half percent increase in a single in a single entity here um you know immediately below that the substitute line you'll see is is a pretty decent increase part of that has to do with the fact that minimum wage is rising uh toward an eventual target of 15 per hour uh this january went up 75 cents to 13.50 next january goes up to 14.25 um you know some of our our uh substitutes will be uh paid at that at that rate we're going to keep pace with the with

026minimum wage and so that has an impact on our our estimates for what those costs are it's not that we're expecting any more hours of usage it's just that they're getting a little more expensive those are um nearly five and six percent increases from year to year um the line that i had forgotten earlier today but that i realized after having all the conversations we had the other day about the good news in school choice and charter i forgot to actually include the numbers on the previous one i sent you so that line that shows a 28 000 9 13 in parentheses uh basically uh that's that's the good news is that the you know anticipating no charter school students and therefore no tuitions in that regard and and the number of kids that we

027have in in choice out uh that helps our budget by that almost uh 29 000 there um one other significant change from this year next and and this is something that uh i've had a email conversation with the with the chair of the finance committee in pelham uh has to do with the uh information systems you'll see a 6900 increase there that's to replace 23 chromebooks um the lifespan on those is you know depending on which kind you buy you know can be shorter than five years or longer than five years and so because of that there was some discomfort and rightly so that that doesn't really qualify as a capital item so the the the uh the feedback to us was hey put it into your operating budget we know it's coming we'll we'll

028make sure to uh you know make people aware that that's what's happening and that that's an okay increase in the budget so that 6900 increase there is isn't is a known uh extraordinary increase uh that the finance committee was suggesting to us so that's that's what's going on there um utilities another area where we've got some increase um for a couple reasons um water and sewer rates are going up pretty significantly uh we get we pay those to the town of amherst they provide the water and sewer for our for our uh school building so those are going up uh in in significant ways not a lot of real dollars but if you look at percentages it's pretty scary um electricity heating those things are also going to go up a little bit so that's

029that's the increase there uh the transportation we've got that tied to our um essentially the the national uh consumer price index for our area the new england area and so that's a a contractual uh increase it's only a about a percent of percent and a half i think it's a little less than a percent and a half uh increase there and then of course uh risk and benefits is where our health insurance is and we're estimating uh our health insurance increases about two percent um so that's another sort of large area of of uh you know sort of concern but also impact on our budget so in total uh you know that drives the budget up about you know forty seven thousand dollars uh over the current year in in raw numbers and if we

030scroll down and sort of look at what our our uh you know revenue sources are it's a much more significant increase in in the uh the expectation from the town itself uh because we're using a smaller amount of of uh of choice money is the 225 the other number that's gone down roughly in half is the medicaid reimbursement we're not providing as much of that kind of service um that service is basically we we provide certain medical care that qualifies for medicaid reimbursement um and so we do file for that reimbursement and receive your monies in in regard to that and that helps support our budget um what i've done with chapter 70 funding the 238 483 that's showing there that's the actual number for this year so i'm basically pegging that to be uh

031funded at this current year's rate uh so we had estimated the fiscal 21 budget of 235 650 it came in just a little above that i'm using that that number from uh the actuals essentially for fiscal 21 is the estimate for chapter 70. we may get news in a couple weeks from the governor and and uh that has more positive news around chapter 70 that would be great i don't know that that's going to happen but you sort of combine all those things and so the pressure on the on the uh the town of pelham to provide uh tax resources to us is uh such that it that it goes up more than two and a half percent um and so that you know we're above the two and a half percent by about sixty

032seven thousand dollars there in the box um so we can reduce that though by a couple of things the 6900 is a is an additional expense that was uh considered above and beyond and so that's one that they will you know will come off of that as far as when we're trying to make reductions to meet uh you know the the uh ability of the town to to fund the school the 6900 is expected so that reduces that 67 000 by that and then of course the other one is the the revenue from from the uh rental of the of the building and so that will take another say 10 000 off so now we get into a problem of about 50 that that is is more than likely what we'll be looking at over

033the next few weeks uh and trying to uh resolve in in partnership with uh you know the finance committee and palum yourselves uh and and uh superintendent principal to try to come to a you know an appropriate in a and you know functional uh program and budget for for next year so i think i'll stop right there i've said a lot of stuff in a lot of detail so hopefully i'll be i've been clear but i certainly want to give everybody an opportunity to ask questions about what they're seeing and what is uh on their mind yeah so if i could add one thing before we go to questions doug um i just want to be really explicit and clear that with this budget there's no way in pelham even if we can get that

034down to 50 some cares act even brings that down a little bit less there is nowhere else to go than to make staff reductions um so you know when we come back in february we'll get more specific about that uh but i don't want anyone believing that we can find um dimes and quarters uh around the edges to make that budget work without making reductions to staff at pelham school um so you know i started with the positive news because it could be a lot worse but this is very real um and i don't say this lightly this is the least fun part of our job i think um is trying to figure out how to make staff reductions we've already started some conversations you know this document as doug said you know was finished

035uh you know an hour and a half ago whatever it was so it's not like we had this uh to work from but we saw the writing on the walls explained to the committee and the staff last month uh that we do have a structural deficit in pelham and uh there's not there's not extras there's not um you know things that can be pulled that are further away from kids so this will be a very difficult budget year and again this was compared to a month ago our best case scenario um so sorry to to go from the good news to the bad news but i want to be really explicit with the committee that that's that's the type of thing we will be having to look at for next year all right thank you

036um any ron yeah go ahead uh on the salaries that's a 58 000 increase if i'm correct that's a 4 increase in salaries while the cpi was much lower than that why is it so much higher than the cpi index yeah before we before doug answers i just want to clarify um this is a negotiation year we do not have a contract with actually any of our bargaining units for next year so when doug answers he's going to be speaking in hypotheticals because we are not interested in sharing more about our bargaining position in a public meeting so other years where we have a contract that number is fixed uh that is not the case this year i still think doug can answer the question with some detail um but because we don't have uh

037a contract with any of our bargaining they just end it it's not like there's what went into the estimate then right that's what doug can answer exactly um but i just wanted to for you know foreshadow that some years we're able to be incredibly specific about that this is not one of those years but um sorry to interrupt doug won't you uh jump in yeah so i think the the shortest answer is this is that um even when we're in a circumstance without a contract we we will uh grant steps to our employees that are not at the top step of the salary schedule um and so you know that's one of the primary drivers any given step if you're in a particular uh position any particular step from from one year to the next

038is in that three to five percent range depending on the contract in which you know lane you're in um so that's the largest driver of this it's not the entirety of it say that steps increase the payroll budget by more than one percent by less than one percent i mean because that's a big that's a big increase so the cola is really not the pay increase the cola is the step which i believe about half the teachers get and shouldn't that be taken into consideration when negotiating the amount of the cola because i know that like you like to tell us that the cpi was two percent and the pay raise was two percent but really the pay raise is more than two percent it's two percent plus the step so to the latter point

039um i mean i think that's certainly feedback you know um you happen to she's not here tonight but sarah bess is on the negotiating team uh as the regional rep and i think that could be brought back and i think it's good for me and doug to hear your concerns about how the cola and step increases combine in terms of the salary lines that's probably as much as we can say to answer if you do look at the contracts or you know that we have or public documents so you can see what to what degree the step increases what percent it is but it's almost always that the step increases are larger than the cola increases it was just that the 58 stood out as a four percent increase oh no no you're 100 right

040ron um but the in most years in most public school districts the step increases outpace the colos and not everyone gets a step increases the other things worth noting right if you're at the top of the step uh top of the step scale you're not getting the stuff increased about half the teachers give it though across the district i think what gets a little complicated is when you're a school as small as pelham that may or may not be right you know yeah yeah okay um either i guess this would be maybe mike or lee i mean you know hearing that there's no way around some kind of staffing cuts is pretty jarring not necessarily a shock but certainly hard to hear i know it's way too early for any kind of specifics and i'm

041sure it's difficult everywhere but can you can you just talk a little bit about how the process works especially in a such a small school community like pelham just in terms of again i'm not saying that it it's easier at bigger schools but it just um it all seems very personal um at pelham so can you talk a little bit about that again without specifics of course yeah i can take that because lee hasn't been through this before in pelham you know i know in previous positions certainly but not not in pelham so i think it's really hard i think you hit the nail on the head when you describe it in a school like pelham we just have to think what's the core what are we obligated to do what are we legally obligated

042to do what are we contractually obligated to do and that takes up pretty much most of what we have there's not a lot of excess in pelham um it's not like oh you can make class has a little better at bigger larger at third grade by combining sections uh and going from four sections to three sections and therefore you can save money that's not the case in pelham um but i think the process is essentially what i described we try to look at what's required legally what's required educationally what's required contractually in german in terms of making sure teachers have preps and uh all these things what ieps say what ell you know services need to be um and then anything outside that circle is something we're going to have to look at uh and

043potentially take action on it and that's sort of the way it it works in pelham um you know i think the other commitment we've made i think we've held good on is before any document becomes public with specific cuts both the individuals affected would be had a conversation with the principal and there's also an opportunity for the staff to hear it before it becomes a public discussion point some communities get a little cagey about that uh some school committees rather get a little cagey about that and pelham i've always felt very supported that staff should find out we can always email a document with some specifics to the committee but we want to make sure that before it's a public document that staff are aware of what's proposed so that's that's sort of the process

044lee i don't know if there's anything you'd like to add i mean i think you you really hit the nail on the head and because we're a small tight-knit staff um it is really emotional and it's i think important to name that and that that's it's gonna be hard news on top of a year of hard news um and i'll just say that our our staff are incredible professionals they do amazing work with kids um and the thought of having a school without any one of them um is really hard and um but we have we've figured out all the challenges that have come our way thus far this year and um i'm really confident we'll figure out the best thing to do for kids moving forward yeah all right yeah thank you both any

045other budget questions uh i'm gonna go brenda and then ron this may be wishful thinking but i'm just wondering um i know these are all predictions but what if we had an increase in school choice people for the fall is that something that could be beneficial or like cut down on the amount that we had to had to cut from the budget so um two things uh one is i think uh again you all are right on the mark in every comment so far tonight uh for pelham school i mean i'm just i'm gonna i've had meetings throughout the day so i'm a particularly uh blunt mood uh lee wasn't in my amherst budget meeting this afternoon otherwise she saw that would have seen that uh not a bad mood but just being transparent and

046blunt and so i think the future of pelham school relies on increasing the number of choice students the school is not sustainable at 40 choice students it's just not um it's not fiscally sustainable and when it's not fiscally sustainable then we have to make budget cuts that not that make it not educationally sustainable so we absolutely need to do that i know leigh's done a great job in trying circumstance and if we didn't do make the efforts she did this fall we wouldn't be at 40 we'd probably be at 35 or 36 and and that has already made a huge difference for our budget and this is challenging time right uh you know it's um through no fault of anyone the reality is that you know um it's hard to attract students during a pandemic

047and it's particularly hard when we haven't been in school very much um to attract students for virtual elementary school on a school choice model so i think it gets back to ron's point that he made earlier that would like to bring up is how soon can we get clarity on an approach for next year and we need to do that if we do get more choice commitments that would certainly soften the blow for next year and maybe be able to restore some cuts that we may have to make but we're not going to know that soon enough to be able to for our budget process you know this has to be voted in march to be on the town meeting docket and we won't have clarity on that particular point but i i really like

048the way you're thinking about it that if we can't increase the choice numbers uh then maybe we can you know try to claw back some of the things that we may have to reduce this year so thank you for that helpful suggestion rom good getting back to the 6 900 for chromebooks is it is my understanding correct that with the virtual learning that students are doing every student has already been given a chromebook in pelham school is that correct lee do you want to respond to that one sure so um chromebooks were made available to families who requested them to borrow from the district so i will say depending on the class between a quarter and half of the students are using district issued devices others are using personal devices whether that be ipads chromebooks

049or laptops or desktops at home then was the 6900 dollars for replacement of chromebook carts or what what was that intended to do so i can take that one um so in talking with the with the um is director jerry champagne you know there are currently existing um chromebook carts in the school and essentially one of those has a set of machines that are are uh becoming obsolescent for lack of a term and so it's really just a replacement of one of the cards worth of machines how they'll actually get utilized will depend a little bit on in person not in person et cetera et cetera but it's essentially one cart has reached end of life and we're replacing that yep go ahead ron then another question which is not to be uh two snide

050but i read the budget on the email and it said there was a ninety six thousand dollar gap today you presented a sixty seven thousand dollar gap why can't we hope for a seven thousand dollar gap with the next iteration of this thing facetious but i mean well in some ways i wish i i hope that to be the case i mean it would be lovely if we got uh there's a couple of big pieces of news that we'll have coming to us in the next few weeks one of which will be um what will be our actual uh insurance rates for the coming year um that could be the circumstance that could be good you know very good news um you know i'm i'm thinking that our estimate which was about the two percent

051increase is is pretty reasonable but i'm hoping it comes in lower than that which will be uh which will be helpful that's like you know that increase is not a huge increase but nonetheless it's the same thick one um i think the other is the chapter 70 funding i think that's one that you know we've taken a fairly cautious approach um to what that number looks like you know uh indications from the state or that their revenues for taxes are are pretty decent that may bode well for all school districts as far as state funding for education but you know we just don't know yet we'll get our first taste to that when the governor puts his budget out on the 27th i think thank you any other questions all right um next up fiscal

052year 22 preschool i will take that one um so uh let me stop sharing the screen so that you can see everyone a little bit easier that is better that's even better okay so um the uh as just to go backwards before we go forwards um so the preschool program started in 20 i think 12 and 13 or 13 14. uh it's been a super helpful um part of our school and an incredibly valued part of our school community in pelham um i think the intent was to increase choice numbers i think you know we've had a hard time quantifying that impact but the impact the larger impact on having young students in the school has been fabulous we've been blessed to have wonderful staff members to lead that program and last year uh we

053had a hard time committing to it it is a self-s it is intended to be a self-sustaining program in other words it is uh it's in a public school but it's intended to uh bring in enough revenue where it doesn't rely on pelham school funding obviously there's in-kind services in the space the heating custodial staff you know the principles work um and and i think we righted that ship we had to increase rates which was very difficult to write that ship we did that because we were close to closing the preschool a couple years ago because of finances last year we um i made a recommendation which was supported that we explored whether families were willing to um pay whether it was virtual or in person given the uncertainty of the school year uh the

054results and thank you lee for your quick work on that right as you started uh showed that really there wasn't sufficient demand unless it was a commitment to be in person and uh well the world is definitely getting to be hopefully uh soon a better place in terms of numbers we find ourselves not being clear on exactly what next year will hold so again i'm in this place of struggling with what to recommend not because of the value that i place on preschool or the preschool program but really because i don't know how we can con i can in a good conscience uh take deposits and for people to assume that the preschool program will happen regardless of any circumstance when i can't really guarantee that for next year right now um so i guess

055you know what i'd ask is that you know perhaps we can come back to this if we see if we have more clarity in a month or two um but i can't you know encourage lee i don't feel good encouraging lee to be doing recruitment for preschool when until we have real clarity that that preschool would be able to operate uh free from some constraints next year i know there are preschools in the area that have operated uh successfully this year in a lot of the towns in and around pelham but because we have other constraints being operated in a public school it's hard to make that commitment and so you know i think this is really hard because it gets into staffing and it gets into families wondering and these already had families inquiring

056about it for next year but um i think we're going to be in the same conundrum uh when we're in the budget process and so my my recommendation is to come back to this um and if we're able to fund it do it sort of off the normal budget cycle somehow or something like that but until we have full clarity on what next year will look like i you know i i really struggle to imagine how we can commit to a program when we don't know what the funding structure would be especially given the conversation we just had um so you know um doug pulled the preschool out of that uh presentation you know because we talked about it because i really do think it has to be a separate kind of thing um and

057i don't you know i don't want to be again too negative um about it but um i guess i really struggle to see operationally how we can do that with kind of the nature of public schools in 2021 and the uncertainties that come with them assuming that we don't have a preschool class in 2021 are there any long-run implications are there licensing things that we don't adhere to will space be gobbled up for other purposes in other words can we then have if we don't have it in 2021 then we can reinstitute the program for 2022. yeah so every year there's a licensure process that goes on um so it wouldn't have an impact there i think uh i appreciate that perspective because it is an interesting question if we choose not to have the

058preschool if you choose not to have the preschool program operate next year uh right now it is chock full of tables that we would use in a covert era that's a terrible use of a beautiful space and the other reality is we're probably going to be in a desk world next year too i find it hard to imagine that there'll be a vaccine for kids under the age of by the time school starts next year in fact i would probably make a wager on that if one wants to do that with me not money like cookies brownies you know things like that um so you know i think what would be optimal frankly um is if we're back in the building next year is figuring out a space to put those um tables and actually

059have that be a separate space so that the specials aren't sharing the gymnasium because right now the gymnast we want to keep the gymnasium as a gymnast like it is as i started the meeting it is lovely there um and so i think if we didn't have a preschool because of the uncertainty and the space was available going back to the original purpose uh would be my recommendation and seeing what we could do with tables or if we're just happy with the desks i mean i'll be honest there's only seven days but a lot of our early childhood educators both in pelham and amherst really opposed to desks on principle and then they got into the building like this is pretty cool i i don't mind these desks right you know it's it was okay

060they figured out ways if they wanted to group kids that kids could still be grouped and distanced in these days but you could make desks out of you know or tables out of desks uh pretty easily and they're actually really high quality desks the facilities department did a great job they're they're nicer than a lot of the tables that we lost so you know i'd like to think about creative use of the space um but it wouldn't be that uh you know we would rip down tear down walls and it wouldn't be available for a preschool space a year after leaving the space vacant for a year doesn't make tremendous sense either right so i'd like to think about letting the pe teacher have a gym that is not have other things in it other

061days of the week which then curtails um his or her in this case his his programming and the way he would structure it and also it's a lot of work on the custodial staff to be changing that space multiple times a week for the different programs that are in it so long-winded answer ron i apologize but you know we have you know i do have some thoughts on the topic and and we we certainly have to figure out where to put stuff but i'd rather figure that problem out than our current situation other preschool questions so i've i guess in order to be able to really appropriately recruit people for the preschool and you say we need clarity on what next year looks like as a practical matter and i'm not going to get into

062a conversation about next year yet but like that's not coming anytime soon so it seems to me i don't what else are we going to learn in say the next one or two months it doesn't it seems like we probably won't right i think the odds are that um you know i'm just trying to have a glimmer of hope that uh the world turns around in the next take away from you know this i just i'm trying to yeah i'm just trying to understand okay yeah i mean if all of a sudden the numbers were one-tenth of what they are now and everyone starts feeling really comfortable being back in schools um maybe that would change things um i think that's an unlikely scenario for us and you know i mean it's in no bad

063way uh at all but you know we have a bargaining unit and the bargaining unit is a pre-k through 12 bargaining unit so any decisions we'd make would need to be bargained and i have a hard time figuring that we will have a bargaining agreement or any or even conversations frankly that would happen before that's not a knock on the apea at all it's just that's not the way bargaining works yeah that was my thinking just about actual practical process yeah okay yeah i mean i don't if you're asking me point blank now i don't see that resolving by march um and that's why if it if it was to resolve it have to be something way off the typical budget calendar you know um i can't imagine including it in our budget next year

064and i don't i don't see it probably resolving itself but um you know i just wanted to you know we wanted this bulleted point to be on here both because it's important or this agenda i don't think it's important and also to explain that it's it's not on the budget that you're going to see because we don't have any confidence that we could pull it off in the normal budget cycle and probably don't have much confidence to put off in general but a savvy budget document reader might say where is the staff for the preschool and they could compare it to two years ago and see that it's not there um and um i didn't want anyone to think that that was we came to that conclusion willy-nilly um or just casually it's just i

065i don't i don't see how we move forward on running the preschool next year and i certainly don't see how we could even contemplate funding it out of the appropriated budget right now where we are okay all right thank you anything else on preschool okay um next up is regionalization so last time we met just in pelham we had a brief conversation about um informally exploring um regionalization to see if it's something that maybe amherst would be open to if it's a conversation that we should restart not from the beginning but just from where the previous conversation left off um so to start that process i met with the chair of amherst and the region um and you know everything that's going on in amherst and the region with the budget and and just everything

066else um and i say this not critically at all the sense was that like there there is not the bandwidth or the willingness to engage on this right now so i think we should table it i think especially given news about you know an unsustainable budget and you know something that is characterized as just slightly less than dire i don't think we should rule this out forever um but for now i just you know we certainly can't force the issue and i don't think this is the time to really be pushing it so that's just my recommendation but i am not you know this is a committee it's not my decision so i certainly would like to hear what others have to think if anyone wants to pursue something else or has other ideas okay

067i guess i'll just i just it just seems very reasonable like it is really trying times and everyone has to focus on their own school so i think but i would be in favor of tabling it and maybe uh you know maybe in six months we'll be in a different place yeah okay all right and obviously anyone can talk to me about putting things on the agenda at any time so you know where to find me um all right health metrics and memorandum of agreement so we had we had left this on just to make sure that when we gathered we we are not we're allowed to talk about this um given the vote this past tuesday i don't know that there's too much to be said but if anyone wants to talk on this

068topic we certainly can is now the appropriate time to talk about fall of 2021 i think as long as it focuses on health metrics memorandum of agreement i mean we can't get into detail and start dating that but if it's if it is closely related to the moa then yes i have two questions one will we as a committee be asked to weigh in on the level or the method of any trigger that may be in place governing the fall of 2021 i mean we were this year will we be next year will be part of the discussion of the moa for fall of 2021 well okay mike go ahead i'm sorry can you clarify who the we is the pelham school the public school committee i mean because that's the only person that's the

069only committee i'm on yeah i just wanted to make sure that i was understanding who the we was i apologize so um yeah i think that feedback should go through sarah bess and then my original to be clear i only see sarah best and not miss dancer because miss dancer um recuses herself uh from regional discussions at the apa because of a family member who is that so you don't get to hear that i do because i'm with miss dancer at the region uh so i wasn't trying to ignore or disregard miss dancer but miss kenny happens to both be on the negotiation subcommittee and a pelham representative so she'd be your point person in terms of sharing feedback then my original question when will we know whether fall of 2021 will be in person

070or distance learning and how do we begin to have some input into that i don't know what to say and be within the bounds of the agenda item i mean so because you're talking about a potential negotiation with multiple bargaining units um appsme ufc you know it's the ufcw the food service workers afscme is um custodians maintenance bus drivers and apa which the administrative association my strong recommendation is that you share that feedback directly with sarah bass um and that she's informed by your thoughts as she goes into the negotiations instead of having a public discussion about negotiations and then for future agenda items what is the nature of my question that i put on the agenda for future agenda items it seems like if you want to have a what i heard was that

071you want to have a conversation not necessarily just about negotiations but about a desire i just want to know how do we most of my constituents want to know when and if there will be in-person learning in the fall how do i do something to tell them that i'm acting on their behalf you would share that feedback that you heard from them what's their best and you'd encourage uh let them know that that feedback's been taken into account by the school committee representative in pelham who happens to also be on the negotiating team there's no fault there's nothing wrong with you ron because what i hear i think i hear you saying um or at least it's implied in what i'm understanding correctly if i'm wrong is that you have some uh opinions about the

072importance of returning to in-person learning in the fall based on what you've heard from constituents there's nothing wrong with saying that i think if we talk about details about that that's what's negotiated but you're certainly a school community member you're representing the town of pelham and you certainly can be sharing your strong feelings about that issue in any public meeting i think where it gets into how do we get there what do we need to do that's where it gets a little bit more about negotiations i asked this committee to put on a future agenda item when the time comes in this meeting well i think we can we can put fall 2021 planning on the agenda and we can talk about that right yeah we just we certainly couldn't talk about anything related to

073negotiations but i think people could express things that are important to them related to 2021 all everything people have said about restraints and constraints make sense however there there is one burning issue whether it should affect our decisions or not is will there be full time in-person learning in the fall and i would just like some opportunity some time to talk about that i mean i understand this may not be the appropriate time but when will be the time what are the parameters of our discussion i mean because well period period because everything i say basically affects negotiation which is inappropriate at this time so anyway so so i have a couple things i think one is i think you've you've you currently expressed your viewpoint um in a public meeting so that's good um

074if we want to have it as an agenda item certainly i'm not opposed for other people to be able to express their viewpoint i don't think there's actually work that you can do on that front the committee can do you as an individual the committee other than express your vote point and make sure that you're communicating with sarah bess um i and i think there's nothing wrong with doing that but when when we talk about a discussion it might be everyone could share their viewpoint on that issue there's nothing wrong with that i think when we get to the how to or what do we need to do to get there that's where the negotiation piece really comes in do i tell sarah best that at a meeting you could do it that's i mean

075i'm sorry it's okay to keep going yeah um if that feels appropriate what what am i constrained not to talk about because it's not clear well you're you're you don't have to be too constrained because you're not a negotiating you're not involved in negotiations so i think you can express your viewpoint but i think the distinction would be you i don't see work that can be done on this committee other than viewpoints expressed in support of a returned or to in person or not returned to in person right that level of um kind of philosophical discussion or opinion is is incredibly appropriate um i think if you're talking about work you can do or how do you get that done the pelham school based on the policies pelham school committee doesn't negotiate with any of

076our bargaining units so that that's if that's the barriers negotiations with bargaining units that's not something in the auspices of the pelham school committee and i can't express my opinion on the nature of the proposed trigger for fallout 21 to sarah bess in this forum yeah you're not in negotiating she probably can't respond but but okay yeah yeah i don't see an issue with that in terms of um negotiations or anything like that you know but i think if you have any questions um with the chair's permission i think getting in touch with our legal counsel which i could help you with um you know is something that individual members do have access to the other uh free option would be getting in touch with the massachusetts association of school committees and they have free

077advice um that you can receive so that it doesn't it positions me a little awkwardly to be answering all the questions because i'm on both ends of this right you know i am in the room for negotiations i'm not a school committee member i'm not a lawyer um so you know what i can do is give advice but that's all i can do um but i think you know there are other places you might be able to get advice um that might be helpful for where those boundaries are and if you're interested in those just shoot me an email i'm sure i can link you to the resources um that might be from outside pelham which may or may not be helpful to you okay anything else on health metrics moa okay um all right

078anti-racism work so um mike just so you know jessie is getting on momentarily um so we have a special guest star ah here she is um so jesse i'm not gonna give you too much of an intro because i i kind of want to leave it to you to talk about what you're working on but jessie is doing some work with the town of pelham on its anti-racism initiatives um and so she reached out to me about ways that the work that her committee is doing can collaborate with our committee um which i think is a great idea so jesse do you want to just talk a little bit about what you guys are doing and how we can work together yeah great um thanks so much for having me it's great to see all

079you guys i miss you lots and you're doing some really important work so yeah i'm a part of the pelham anti-racist action committee that was created by the select board i believe everybody in the town of pelham received a postcard asking if they were interested in joining the committee and they got a um 15 responses and they couldn't deny anybody so everybody joined um the committee some have it's dwindled down a little bit but um we have um a group of people and we're meeting monthly and then we also have working groups and we won't just want to reach out to other town committees and make connections um there will be a write-up in the slate when it gets to your doorstep about our mission statement um and our working groups and we've decided to

080call them working groups instead of subcommittees um so that we can include others on them we feel that it's important you know some people may not be able to commit fully to the committee but may want are interested in any of the topics that we're looking at um with an anti-racist land in the lens in the town of pelham and so there's an education working group a history working group an outreach policy and governance is together and then public safety and as a representative of or a member of the education working group i just wanted to reach out to you guys and see um if there's anything you know to create a partnership and if there's anything that we could do together or anything we can do for you vice versa um with you um

081and yeah that's that's kind of where we are at this point all right oh i can also say i've met with lee and i met with mike and i've um done some email corresponding with doreen and we've talked about um kind of like the history of anti-racist work in pelham and in the district i do have a document if i can find it [Music] um yeah so i saw mike you had a hand up yep mike there we go yeah i just want to say i think thanks to jesse for facilitating the work in the community that's incredibly powerful and obviously she is her uh school committee cap still ready to put on uh in terms of the leadership so we appreciate that uh but i really appreciate the conversation that i had with jesse

082and another member of her i believe another member of your committee i mean i know that person from another venue um and i think it's really critical work that is so important that it doesn't just come from kind of educational leaders or others but really that the community is see themselves as leaders and sees themselves as learners and so i just wanted to publicly share my appreciation for jesse and others who are facilitating and leading the group because i think that genesis or that union between our synthesis between the community as well as the school is sort of how change happens um you know it's not often times people want change to be linear like there's one leader and then this happens and this happens and that's not the way it works and certainly not

083the way in my experience anti-racism works so uh just appreciate jesse and the others who are taking this on look forward to partnerships moving forward yes agreed i feel like the the thing that comes up for me is that i you know this is clearly very important work i know lee on a day-to-day basis is doing stuff at the school that it's not just like the side show it's kind of part of every decision that she makes um and that just seems really clear just from communications that i get as a parent and um you know updates that you give in this setting so i you know i think the thing just as a committee member that i want is like what i i want to find ways where we're doing that as a committee

084too where like anti-racism work just becomes just part of what we do all the time not like an agenda item that's on there that we talk about in a discreet way and i'm not sure how to do that i feel like i'm sort of throwing out this thing i don't have a suggestion or a solution i to me i feel like that's the the it's a pretty nebulous goal um but that's what where i think we should be headed and i think especially being in pelham and i mean just to be really frank to look at the faces on this screen and just like do the sometimes uncomfortable work of like talking about our whiteness and what that means as elected officials so i still don't have the answers i think i have more questions

085than answers but um i at least at least like work jesse with what what you all are doing i certainly have an openness to this so i'm not sure exactly what concrete next steps are but um i just want this to be the beginning of these conversations and and then get to a point where it's just this muscle we develop and then we're not thinking about it we don't have agenda items it's just part of how we operate yeah that sounds great yeah mike yeah just that's something that doreen and i have spoken about a bunch recently is what level of anti-racism training can we supply and support um school community members with because we do so much for our staff and we don't think about school committee training so you know that's something that

086i'm sure there'll be joint meetings school committee meetings to come uh and uh not for that topic explicitly but that you know we do have some thoughts about that and you know um both of us are working we're partners in msan which is the minority student achievement network our districts are partners with that and um and so i do wonder you know there's some leadership um equity pd that both irina and i are doing together this year with um darnissa you know blank i'm not good at names tonight um but i um i will get you the information but we've we've had an outstanding experience with that um and i think it's very much um on the leadership for equity side which being that you're um you all are elected from a governance perspective i

087i've found it very good um and i think you know with anti-racism work like any other professional development one size doesn't always fit all right it has to be you know particular to your context and so uh we do have some thoughts about that and we do have some ideas and and perhaps you know you and the chair of the other committee the next time we do have a joint meeting um maybe not the next time we do have a new joint meeting but sometime that might be tuesday the agenda may be posted but um sometime when we have a joint meeting uh we should try to figure out a way to have that conversation because i think it's really critical that um if we're serious about it in terms of our staff members and

088our students then the leaders in the district should also be engaging in that work so uh more to come on that one but i think your points well taken and um you know i feel like in hindsight you know pd for school committee is like short right it's like in the overall scheme of things it often is the thing that gets skipped you know if it's not coming from masc then there's not a lot of offerings but uh you know we could do some thinking about how to fill that gap yeah i think that would be great yeah okay anything else for jessie do you miss being here jessie meetings right mike don't let her off make her i i still keep up with all the news don't you worry all right thank you so

089much for coming and let's keep talking great thanks for having me good night um all right next up jesse requirements on student learning time yep and so i'll do an intro and then lee will take this one but um as you're aware at the last joint meeting um thank you for endorsing a waiver request that waiver was denied by desi uh which i had my um less fun moment speaking of uh you know having some hard moments and and then i did what probably i should always do when i have those moments is i called and i said you know i want to talk to someone and so i talked to someone whose name is rob curtin he's an administrator at desi and it was really an excellent conversation that put my mind uh much

090more to ease than it was and what he went over is some change definitions for structured learning time the state has and the reason we were denied despite the evidence we had was that screen time is not synonymous with structured learning time especially at the elementary school level and that there were there were some more flexibilities that are offered um for our students and then lee and i and mostly leah want to give her incredible credit for this because she did a fabulous job very quickly looked at the current pelham distance learning schedule and looked at what we're currently doing any minor adjustments that we were able to need to make and the good news is this won't upend the apple cart in terms of the the programming we have we don't have we don't

091need to have families worried that they're going to have tremendous mortgage screen time because we got that feedback loud and clear but i think with some of the innovative innovative approaches that that lee and the staff have put into place we really don't have to be a lot of it's definitional changes um and and then moving me the next data collection is at the end of this month and i feel really good about being able to hit the metrics that are uh that are set in the the new state regulations for synchronous learning or structured learning time excuse me i made the mistake again uh for pelham school uh ron has a question but uh after that i'll just go right to lee and she can give some more details okay wrong do you mean

092screen time because the entire curriculum is screen time you mean asynchronous so the term that desi is using is structured learning time and uh to be very candid what what they're really concerned about and i heard that loud and clear on the phone call there are certain districts that there's one district i know for large district that all of fridays was asynchronous okay so right so it was like monday tuesday wednesday thursday you saw the teacher and friday kids were on their own there were no teachers available we weren't doing that from the beginning so i wasn't so worried about that part of it but it was helpful to know that that was their concern and those of you who heard me in the summer fall i shared that concern right i think teachers need

093to see students need to see their teachers every day and receive instruction in all the core areas every day right and so um i'll turn it over to lee who can describe a little bit of what you know minor tweaks and adjustments and definitional changes we need to make to the schedule to fit the state requirements sure so i'll just alleviate any nerves by sharing that we're not wildly changing the schedule and so day to day um students student schedules will not be looking very different what we were able to do is look back at how we're utilizing some of the small group time and choice board time and really just modifying some of some of the semantics around some of the language because after mike spoke with the department of ed we were in

094much closer alignment than we thought we were with the expectations so i'm so grateful that we clarified before upending the entire schedule um so there's two times in the day where we um we're really kind of looking at just adding a little bit more clarity to our definition of that time so the first is that each class has a 30-minute block that we called the win block when is an acronym for what i need um so we're using that for structured tiered small group instruction so for some students that might be working directly with the classroom teacher on remediation or some just reteaching of concepts that they learned earlier in the day some students might be doing extension work they might be working with a paraprofessional or a classroom volunteer or another teacher during that

095time but all students are engaged in learning even if they're not all together in the same group so that was one time in the schedule where we actually realized we were meeting desi's expectations and we we were using too narrow of a lens um the other time is the choice board independent learning time so that is directed time our teachers are offering students a choice of activities to complete within 30 minutes with options to follow up with the staff member if they have any questions so some of those options on the choice board are on screen some of them are not but they're all related to learning from earlier in the day so for example in a first grade classroom they might be learning about digraphs um like the th sound and the sh sound

096so their choice board for that afternoon would have opportunities where they could go on lexia and play a game with some um with some of the digraphs they could do a workbook page in the super kids book that has digraph pages or they could play play a game with cards that have digraphs in them so all of those choices would be related to the academic content from earlier in the day and then the teacher would be available to follow up on any of the activities so those were the two times of the day where we're really just clarifying the language and with that clarification we we actually exceed the amount of structured learning time by a couple of minutes so we feel very confident that in the next round of data collection will be well

097within the parameters of the expectations without causing too much of a disruption for families or our teachers because the feedback we received from the community was really really positive okay great thank you any any questions for lee mike did you want to add something you look unmuted and ready to go i was just ready if there was questions i'm not pushing that there there should be so i think we did a very thorough explanation so i think we're good okay great yeah well i thank you for that for both of you and sorry it took this extra step when we were kind of already cool but at least this was the outcome okay um all right next up is warrants i have several get comfy um i sarah hall authorized by my signature to payables

098in the amount of fifty thousand nine hundred fifty one thousand thirty five for the warrant dated uh december 10th 2020. this included general fund expenses of thirty two thousand seven hundred sixty two dollars and ninety one cents grant fund and grant fund expenses of eighteen thousand one hundred eighty eight dollars and forty four cents and i signed this on december tenth twenty twenty i sarah hall authorized by my signature to payables in the amount of forty thousand seven hundred forty three dollars and forty eight cents that was all payroll and that warrant was dated december 16 2020 and i signed it december 14 2020. i confirmed with doug that it's fine that i signed it before the actual date of the war i sarah hall authorized by my signature to payables in the amount of

099twenty four thousand sixty eight dollars and seventy three cents for the warrant dated december twenty first twenty twenty this included general fund expenses of nineteen thousand thirteen dollars and twelve cents and grant fund expenses of 5055.61 and i signed that on december 22nd 2020. i sarah hall authorized by my signature to payables in the amount of one hundred forty 61 dollars and fifty three cents that was for the warranty did um december thirtieth twenty twenty and that was all payroll and i signed that also on december thirtieth the last one um i sarah hall authorized by my signature to payables in the amount of 57 431.16 dated january 13 2021 and i signed that on january 8th um that's it no gifts i will take a motion to adjourn [Music] oh margaret yes sorry i

100have a question first yeah how can i get the mailings that go out to the parent community i have no student in the school i would love to get them i i would love to add you to our email list okay oh yeah that would be awesome thank you and on the district side not that you're asking but if anyone isn't getting the emails um just email ws moreland um i am not yep so you get the friday update every week so you know please just shoot an email that you'd like it she has a master list that she keeps and okay um please do so thank you all right thanks margaret martin [Laughter] oh no brenda i'm giving you credit you're stuck in that second that all right um all right we'll do roll

101call vote run run i margaret mark or die brenda brenda i and hall i we are adjourned thank you so much everybody good night you