001e e e a board Workshop of the Board of Trustees of the Mallen Independent School District will be held Tuesday February 18 2025 beginning at 5:30 p.m. at the Dr Ricardo choa boardroom Administrative Building of the Mallen Independent School District 2000 North 23rd Street melen Texas 78501 at this meeting there may be discussion by the board on the items and subjects listed as follows one call the meeting to order I have done so at 5:30 two public comments we do have one gentleman with public comments so we will run a quick video if you want to stand over to the podium but um can you roll the video yes here are the public comment procedures number one individuals who wish to participate during the portion of the meeting designated for public comment shall sign up
002at mcallenisd.org at least one hour prior to the start of the scheduled meeting number two an individual's comments to the board shall not exceed two minutes per meeting number three the board shall not tolerate disruption of the meeting by members of the audience thank you is graas okay Mr F we uh have two minutes for you the timer will be on the screen we will not interrupt you and the timer will start when you start okay hello I'm Mr Fato I'm a astronomy teacher at Memorial High School I also teach IPC I was here a year ago um and it was about the uh teachers changing from six teaching periods to seven teach ing periods and to lose one of our planning periods to go down to two from one and I would like you
003to reconsider the decision that you made to to go with the seven period teaching period day and only have one conference um some teachers have nearly 200 students in two to three preps and that means 15 minutes of prep for a 50-minute period And I think you can do the math there that doesn't work out very well it has been very stressful very exhausting on a lot of teachers and we really haven't had a lot of say in that I'd like you really to reconsider that we haven't had any survey any input other than talking at the school board um so again I'd like to also add in there are some days that we don't even have that one planning period like if we uh have training or Arts we just go basically eight periods
004a day with just to lunch um so I'd really like you to reconsider that it's really unsustainable and it's burning a lot of teachers out a lot of loyal teachers such as myself that's done over a quarter Century for the school district so please take that into consideration um if you don't give us a voice teachers The only voice teachers have then is to sort of vote with their fee we don't want to lose the good teachers Memorial um I'd like to hear like where the school board members stand on returning to at least an the two planning periods or some semblance of not something this extreme so I don't think it's worth $2 million in savings to do so thank you thank you Mr [Music] P okay item number three discussion of 2025 2026
005budget we will review the 2024 2025 budget and under that we will review items in impacting the 2024 2025 budget the fund balance enrollment and attendance uh tax rate history optional flex flexible school day uh program update and then under Human Resources the year-to-year Staffing comparison the history of raises cost scenarios proposed repurposing of vacancies for new positions proposed revisions of stiens uh or two stiens and and then we will have a legislative update um Dr Gonzalez I'm sorry I apologize I like okay uh good afternoon Court of trustees and administration members of the audience as well as some of our candidates who are considering running for the board thank you all for being here this is our first Workshop we will have about six more throughout the semester so we finalize the budget uh
006by June of 2025 so we have a lot of items that we're going to be talking about in relation to the budget for for the 25 26 school year and this is the beginning of uh of a lot of discussions that we're going to have in in regards to the budget I do want to uh remind everyone there's a legislative session going on right now as we speak is going to be going on uh perhaps beyond the month of June due to uh a lot of the bills that they're introducing and talking about um there are some big items out there that they're talking about in Austin and we will be keeping the Board of Trustees the community everyone updated with this uh legislative updates and that's why we have it in our agenda it's
007one of the last items but uh we will be depending a lot on the decisions that are going to be made in Austin in regards to our budget for the next two years uh one of the things that is you all know that is going to impact the budget and imp enrollment for years to come is vouchers and that's Senate Bill two and Senate Bill two keep up with that one uh it's already been approved by the Senate is headed to the house and we'll see where the House of Representatives uh is going to vote on that but uh right now the plan for that uh legis update and and we have it in our notes is uh for vouchers they're looking at 1 billion of funds being set aside for vouchers uh and that's
008uh which is going to be $10,000 per student to attend a school of their choice okay so that's a big impact to public education because those are a billion dollars that could have been put in public a but that's the way things are being talked about it was discussed at the last bium put our funding on hold for uh we didn't get any additional monies we only got what our formulas uh allow us to have but any additional revenues we did not get as a matter of fact we did not get any additional monies we haven't received any additional revenues since 2019 so you're talking about uh what is it six years operating with the same amount of monies that uh since then but everything has changed uh there was a CO in between there
009was inflation about 20% close to 20% of inflation and there's been a lot of other uh factors that have contributed to uh the cost of living uh much higher but yet public education has not had any additional money since 2019 we're hoping that uh vouchers are done and you know if that's what the governor wants so that he can release our monies now for public education because it will be very hard for us to operate another bium because that's what they're deciding for the next two years it's very hard for us to operate another vium without holding our monies again if you recall at the last uh in 2023 they withheld almost five billion dollar in of public education funds and and we had to make it work and that's why we made those uh
010difficult decisions that we had to make uh because we promised ourselves three things that we were going to do number one we were going to sustain all programs for our our kids that is non-negotiable and that would continue to be priority number one priority number two is that we're not going to lay off employees we're not going to do that um the federal government is laying off a lot of employees thousands of employees uh school districts had to do that before because they were approving deficit budgets we will not work that would be another of my priorities to keep everyone working without laying off employees and then number three continue to give salary increases to all our employees that deserve it for working so hard those will continue to be my three priorities moving into
011this buget um I'm hoping that by the time the legislators uh are done with this session that they release public funds that they uh provide more for uh more for more programs for uh for our students and that they provide the uh more money so that we can give better salary increases we have uh um giving uh we're going to cover some um some factors that are going to impact our budget but I I want to say that uh we are in a very good starting point in Mallen ISD uh we're not we don't look like we're in a deficit like we were last year at this time of $20 million because of the work that we've done all of us and we've had to make a lot of sacrifices but our budget looks better
012because we have done uh some decisions that have helped and that makes this coming budget better for everyone and so we are here in a better position than we were last year at this time and we could be in a better position if we get those additional monies from the state uh once they make those final decisions when the legislative sessions are over in in June and so um it's a marathon in terms of how we are going to go through this process and uh and we're going to start with that process with today's meeting and everything is in draft form everything is uh uh for consideration everything is a a proposal and we will navigate through this process for the next few months until we uh we finalize a budget that uh we can
013keep those three goals in mind and and accomplish those goals and maintain a a balanced budget and that's our goal and so at least I'm happy to say that uh we're in a better position now that we were than last year and um whatever happens in Austin uh we have to continue uh having our workshops and continue working with what we have not what we wish we could have but what we have there's a difference and and that's what we're going to continue to do and and uh if there's additional monies that come in like in July and August because our budget has to be approved by June and if there's anything that changes in July and August or September we will make some budget amendments and adjust accordingly and give everything to our kids
014and to our staff and as uh as necessary so I have the staff and the kids in mind 100% of my time and and just wanted to give you just an overview of uh of our budget process and where we are and changes that could be happening in Austin that would hopefully this time would impact us for the betterment than the last five six years that we haven't had okay so I'm going to turn it over to uh Miss Lorena Garcia Deputy superintendent for business and operations she's going to go over the our first budget workshop and and cover some items that uh impact our budget but that U that we all need to understand as we move on to the uh during the semester for the remainder of the budget workshops that we're GNA
015have so go ahead Miss Garcia thank you good even good evening Madame President members of the board uh Dr Gutierrez um on our first budget Workshop as we had mentioned in the uh in the published agenda the topics that we will be talking about um are primarily we're going to talk about the budget and then second we are also going to talk about HR related items we did put draft on the budget presentation because as Dr gu has mentioned a lot of the information is fluid it is our first uh budget Workshop so some of the things might change such as the recommended stiens that's one of the things where we're presenting but maybe some of it might might might change throughout the budget process depending on the funding situation so we're going to go
016ahead and start with reviewing the budget as you recall our 2425 budget was about uh $273 million it did include a contribution from fund balance of 4.5 for the raises however we have already made up for that uh deficit um in savings throughout the year and in addition if you recall we did have about a $35 million surplus that went into our fund balance so that that zeros out that 4.5 I am going to cover some of the things that are impacting our budget this current year um these are some things that would reduce our fund balance and first of all was the 4.5 million for the raises and then we did have a one-time retention incentive pay of $600 for every employee and that total to 1.6 million we also have uh to pay
017the teacher incentive allotment which totals out to 200 to 2.1 million however that's going to net out because the state is going to reimburse us that money we also took a budget amendment to the board for a uh software um I'm sorry a hardware lease for laptops for all staff and that's at a total of a million dollars now in terms of tax collections it has been a very unique uh planning year if you recall uh there was a change in the homestead U exemption in addition to that there was some tax benefits reductions for the individuals over 65 because of the freeze so that impacted our planning in addition we also had some compression the state has focused a lot on property tax relief in the past and it will continue to do so
018in this legislative session so that impacted um the planning of the tax collections in another factor that impacted that is that we start off in April planning this with the preliminary property values that are published by the County however those values keep changing because there's a protest period that that continues on and then even after that uh there in July after our budget is approved that's when the certified values are published by the county so that's a little bit late for us because we've already approved our budget however we continue to monit monitor that and then in January we have the state comproller uh approv their values so lo and behold throughout this entire process for some reason this year those values have been changing every single time and going up so so uh that
019impacted our our tax tax in total um impacting our fund balance negatively is about 11.5 million I did not include Tia because like I said that's going to wash out but on the good side we have had more increases to fund balance than we had reductions so that's why previously I did mention that the 4.5 million had already been zeroed out and that does not include the surplus of the 35 million that we had last year yes ma'am um so in the increases to to fund balance the biggest increase that we're projecting is on the payroll side we had some savings on payroll um one of the biggest things is the in the summer after our budget was approved we had uh vacancies uh positions that we didn't fill part of it was because of
020the planning period at the secondary level there was a several uh secondary positions that uh due to the master scheduling how it worked out we did not have to fill those positions in addition to that you have natural attrition happen throughout the district you also have a waiting periods to fill positions like for example we would post a position and we wouldn't we wouldn't uh get it approved or we would wait maybe two three months so that whole time that payroll savings is is getting accumulated so So within our budget this year we have about a little bit close to $1 million um in a payroll savings that at the end of the year we will scrub that and that will go into fund balance question um Dr GES so what would you prefer I
021think uh if you can take notes of of the of the items that you have questions that way at the end we can all the questions at one time is that okay that you can make note of that or I think it makes more sense to have the conversation because we I think so okay all right okay okay we also had some Sr funding if you recall last year we did move about $8 million of essr funding into the fund balance well this year we reclassified uh the remainder of that Sr Grand which was 6.8 million um uh in addition to that we are looking at an increase in interest earnings of approximately 3.5 million now remember I talked about the property taxes and how that has changed throughout the process that impacts our state
022funding so the the best case scenario if we're able to appeal those property values which we've already filed an appeal with lme Barker uh they're they're working on our behalf to recoup those State monies uh we feel that that that if we're successful 100% successful in that appeal that uh our state revenue will increase by 5.6 million so that's the best case scenario now if we don't get any money which is highly unlikely uh at least 400,000 we already know for sure is coming so uh the worst case scenario would be 1.4 million so it is still an increase to State uh state revenue however as you can see one is way better than the other so we also have some storm damage proceeds that we're still working on uh we've already received a a
023payment on about half of that amount it's uh close to a million dollars and then the net proceeds for the sale of bonum um which we were going to use for the laptops that's 892 780,000 and then we feel we can reclassify some of the safe cycle too because they do allow us to use that money for police salaries so we'd like to take advantage of that there's some um uncommitted funds for the Crockett roof hail damage at 303,000 and then we just recently received a rebate on our credit card usage for 111,000 so on the best case scenario the plus to fund balance well the plus plus of all these uh these dollar amounts is a little bit close to $30 million 29.8 and then the worst case scenario is about 25.2 so you
024can see that's greater than the minuses on the previous slide so we're looking at an early estimate of um last year we had an increase to the fund balance of 35 million this time we're looking that maybe anywhere between 11 to 16 million so that's a very good healthy increase that could lead us into planning for next year's races Mo on um on the 10 million almost 11 million savings do we have do we have an exact number on how much was the savings from the planning um we don't have that ready off hand we do have the the type of position like whether it was a those would be your secondary teaching positions so we could get you a number we we have a listing of all of the positions how many total we
025have have I can give you an example like on the first uh if you look at just one campus here uh there's one campus that has just six teachers that were not that that had already left that we didn't bring back just based on the conference period and that was for one school that was Mallen high school if I go to the next campus there you're looking at uh two teachers and then you have some other ones that have uh three or four so the numbers are considerable when you look at each conference period every every one section that we added so for every almost for every four teachers you lost kind of like one position right because of the conference periods the way we handle that and then we also did stuff through the
026attrition process so ensuring that we're really well balanced in our classes so we looked at different ratios of 30 to1 28 to1 uh and staffed our campuses appropriately where they should be at uh based on those ratios so looking at those numbers uh and it's not only the conference I mean it added other stuff where you we ended up moving one teacher that say from Dickman Zavala they end up moving maybe to Jackson right so we ended up not hiring at that campus but moving a teacher where there were best needed and suited for kids based on enrollment so instead of just picking up a hire and say you know what we have it in the budget that's higher we really staffed appropriately for that section and those teachers say let's really look at this
027very closely to ensure that we're Staffing each campus appropriately by what is needed by the kids I know the rationale um was for the removal of the planning period and the addition of a teaching a seventh period per was because we were really hurting as a district we were in a deficit and thank you for your leadership getting us um out of the red there and I think we have a really healthy fund balance now um so I think it's important to make sure that we revisit some of those conversations to make sure I know the teachers right now and a lot of staff are just generally really hurting um and I've had conversations if they had to choose between stien or their period back they would choose to have that time back and that's
028how valuable that is so um just trying to add on to that conversation there yeah on that same note even um one teacher did recommend um or mention that even instead of a stien foregoing a larger salary increase uh in order to have her planning period which she's close to retirement and which speaks volumes because towards the end of your tenure you want to increase your salary as much as you can to ensure your TRS benefits so um I hope that we can continue the conversation and if we can get a definite dollar number of what that actual cost was I think that'll help us determine um our planning for next year right yes ma'am now this number is from uh July 1 till now that doesn't include the savings that we presented uh prior
029to that in the summer so there was some additional savings there um the next chart uh gives us a history of our fund balance our change in unassigned general fund balance and as you can see it's like a glaring difference uh last year 23 24 where we had the 35 million that uh was an increase versus 2 million roughly in previous years and like I said we're looking at another good good um addition to that we're uh hopefully is what we're anticipating unassigned fund balance history this gives us uh the unassigned fund balance it was at the beginning of the year it was 58 million and with the addition of the 35 it totals 93 million which gives us 135 days of operating expenditures and The Benchmark is 75 days so we're well within that
030range and above in a very healthy uh position student enrollment now uh student enrollment as you can see the last three years have been very good in comparison to um let me get that um we we have not dropped as much as we had in those prior years so uh we we've maintained our student enrollment uh the green line is the attendance rate and we were at 93.4 average and this year we anticipate being a little bit higher than that I think the 97 2020 was it was online it was Co yes and everybody counted that that was yes that was a very unusual Year my time very unusual so but I am glad it's an anomal slow it's coming back up do oh can do you want to quickly explain the difference just for
031people watching um on like Ada versus enrollment versus like how that works um so we can have a better understanding yes that's a that's a good question is the question is about U explaining the difference between enrollment and average daily attendance which we call Ada uh one of the things that we've been asking in the legislators is to fund the districts by enrollment numbers rather than uh average daily attendance because if we get funded by enrollment that means we get funded for every child every day but if it's by average daily attendance then we get funded by the number of kids that attend school that day and so enrollment would be at 100% because it's every child enrolled we get funded usually our average daily attendance is at about 93% of of of uh of
032kids coming into school on an average so we only get funded for 93% of the kids that are in school whereas if it was enrollment it would be at 100% so every day we're about 7% less of getting funded because it's not by enrollment it's by average daily attendance okay building yes we we have to pay for everything and that's one of the things that uh trusty kman that that it's interesting because we are asking for leg legislators to change the funding from average daily attendance to enrollment because that way we will get funded for every child enrolled 100% every day and so if that happens that would be a boost to our uh to our funding because of enrollment numbers instead of attendance the basic allotment too the formula for that basic allotment hasn't
033changed in many years right and we're going to talk about the the basic alotment on that formula in in a couple of slides I do want to say that there's some factors that are going to impact enrollment in our area uh one of them is immigration has hit hard now with uh with what's going on um that's going to have a factor in all all the Border districts from Bronzeville to El Paso uh the other thing is vouchers if if it goes through it that uh we may lose kids to to vouchers and another one is a birth rate there's a drop in birth rates and the fourth one is mobility there's a lot of mobile after covid for some reason uh families moved more often than not and and so those four factors impact
034enrollment uh negatively right very yeah negatively and and so we always have to see how we can compete and and and sustain the numbers that we have by having better programs uh uh you know recruit from surrounding areas and and also recruit kids to our UT RGB campus to our STC achieve to IB uh you know provide more dual enrollment and advanced placement so remember I talked about one of my first priorities was to not compromise student programs that's exactly what I'm talking about that we want to have quality programs uh for all kids so that we can continue recruiting and offsetting those factors that will impact uh student enrollment that's good and our current enrollment is approximately uh 19,8 190 students um 133% of those students come from out of District transfers which equals
035to 25554 now enrollment does fluctuate daily so this this changes quite a bit this chart outlines the inbound and outbound transfer activity the outbound are the students that belong to Mallen ISD School District boundaries however their parents have chosen them to enroll either in a charter school or maybe another surrounding district and really our biggest competition is idea schools but as you can see there's there's been quite a drop there on on the numbers um is that right that we've had we have no inbound from idea they don't publish that information with tea that's why we don't have that that information but we can we can probably get it uh from from our student system um so let me let me see see if we can get your report on that okay um the inbound
036uh transfers those are from other school districts Edinburg is uh the one that we get the most students from at 1,134 and then our enrollment projections we have a template that we use and this is just for for enrollment planning purposes budget planning purposes is very different so for projections uh we use a uh tool Tool uh from forecast 5 that looks very similar to this it takes into account the live birth of population within the zip codes and of course these are estimates because we do overlap some zip code boundaries with other school districts but based on those projections um for 25 26 uh children that were born in year 2020 but the enrollment would have been 25 26 we had total of 29 921 children being born and as you can see the
037birth rate has been decreasing from year to year which is what Dr guas mentioned and out of those 2,921 we captured a little bit over a th000 So based on that we run the numbers and we create a projected enrollment and we're able to plan on a like a five-year basis so this is um the last few years now um the database was giving us the numbers in the blue columns and we actually ended up with the green so as you can see we beat the projections on the database so so we have been doing a lot to retain students and to recruit and attract I do want to say um thank you for the extra worksheet on the out of District transfers I know there's been buzz on social media and WhatsApp chats about
038in our district and only providing services for Mallen residents and um getting rid of certain programs um because they're too costly or whatever their excuses but um by this chart it looks like we get about $17 million in funding because we allow we have an open enrollment District that's correct and we allow um out of District transfers um just for our high schools I calculated 50 for maai Memorial Row in m in and to Lamar um which is huge um they make up the bulk of our outof district transfers in addition to um Morris Middle School which is really high as well so I'm glad that we continue our efforts to recruit out of District transfers um because those residents that live outside of and choose to come to our schools is proof that we're
039doing we're doing right by our students and that we are offering the programs that families in our near area are are searching for and we're the ones that provide that at District so wanted to say thank you we have very unique programs like the IB program is very unique that nobody else has so we need to capit cap ize on those and we've talked about it as an administrative team to capitalize on on our programs that are unique and and that way we can attract kids from surrounding areas to come to melan I and then we have the utrgv campus achieve AP dual so it's a combination of programs that uh that we offer and very successfully that uh to continue recruiting kids I had 140 Academy 123 and that's inass in the 850 from
040the Comprehensive High School so I think you know 500 choose to stay at the Comprehensive High School as well so I think that it's not every out of District student comes for a specialty program but they come for our UIL programs our Sports um and just for the education as well so I'm glad that we do that the next chge shows are inbound and outbound transfer activity and as you can see in 24 we have um a significantly lower decrease so it's it was it's been a good year for us and we anticipate that continuing in 2025 this is the tax rate historical Trend per per $100 and this just kind of shows how our tax rate has gone down over time uh part of it is because of the property uh uh maintenance and
041operation tax rate compression and um the orange part is the interest and sinking I do want to say that uh on the tax compression we're keeping an eye also on Senate Bill four because uh there there may be another compression that the legislature is going to require uh for us to do and then furthermore uh another uh idea that they have in mind is is to incre to increase the homestate exemption from 100,000 to 140,000 so uh those two things uh could impact our budget uh compressing our tax rate and increasing the homestead exemption from 100,000 to 140,000 so um that's something that we all need to be keeping an you know up to date on that because then uh it would impact how we're going to get funded uh for next year if they
042compress the tax rate and in increase the homestead exemption to from 100,000 to 140,000 so it's something that uh we all need to keep an eye on um usually what happens when they increase the homestead exemption like from 100,000 to 140 we may see property values go up but that can be only kept up to 10% and so we're still going to impact our budget I'd like to also quickly add just what um trusty delag Garza was saying about our programs that attract a lot of um students from out of the area some things just from casual conversations from community members I know and that I'd really like to focus on for this budget season um and really not budget season but just um our teams you know our leadership so one piece of feedback
043well three actually that would make our district really set apart from others three areas I consider are um testing obviously um physical activity so that could be extracurricular um Athletics whatever you want to call it and also nutrition um there's only so much our rec recruitment Department can do you know to go out but if we have not so much to sell that sets us apart from charter schools and from other Public Schools I guarantee if we put some um something on social media like hey Mallen ISD spends 30 less days Benchmark testing than you know Sherine SD or somewhere we where we lose students that's a huge huge um that's something that parents look forward to and they want to send their kids to districts that prioritize more activities um curriculum projects stuff like
044that over testing uh I think we have some flexibility as a district to really look at what that looks like so testing accountability um making sure that our schools have lots of time for um PE recess Athletics all that stuff and then third is nutrition I'm hearing a lot about um just nutrition as a whole not mckel and I singular but broader districts struggling with what we feed our kids and um what what that looks like so I think if we can have those conversations then we can also we can recruit a lot more students to come to our district because it will set us apart yeah thank you this next chart just illustrates what our tax rate was in 23 24 that's the top section and then 2425 as you can see it did
045go down however on a home that was previously valued 219,000 uh now would be valued 223 and that's a factor of the property appraisal district just increasing property values in the area and because of that increase in the appraised value even though the tax rate is lower um the taxpayer does see an impact of $31.24 on their tax bill now on to optional flexible school day program it's a really great program because it allows students to make up hours and time that they miss but it also helps us recover funding that we lost due to that that lack in attendance as you can see over time the the uh percentage does go up because in 22 we had 8241 per uh average daily attendance and then it went up to 8453 but if you compare
046it to the year that we did Flex that's the highest yet it's at 85.8% and we had an additional 226 995 in average daily attendance that was added because of the flex program and that netted the district approximately 1.4 Mill million in additional state aid that we would not have seen had it not been for this program so it's a very good program and we're going to continue working with the campuses to promote that so this was U this is summer school and things the kids were coming to summer school we were just not applying for these funds that would happen yeah well these are the kids that have excessive absences during the year that can make up attendance through the flexible school day that the board approved and and it allows us to well
047it allows us to recapture some of the lost money because of absences that the flexible school day gives a students a chance to uh come back and make up those days and the kids don't lose credit and then we don't lose funding so it's a win-win it's a win a win-win because of the kids and us uh the district U being able to recapture some of the funding they're also able to make up some of that time during the school year okay this is not just the summer is it an annual approval that we have to do it every year to approve approve it is every year we have to submit a new application and it does have to go to the board for approval we're probably going to bring it earlier this year because
048the state takes a while to come get back to us so we're like just waiting to start so we'll probably bring it earlier this year and now this one is the Staffing this is October to October because October is our snapshot day uh October 25th so I grabbed this data from the pe's records and it's on Staffing and it's approximately uh the difference between 23 24 October uh and uh 20 2425 um school year is about 226 positions that we have reduced since that time in in that time frame that was being studied um the S approximate savings there is 11 million the difference between that number and and the number that we had in the previous section is that that number was uh taken into account starting in July and those are budgeted savings
049these are uh total savings from one snapshot dat to another just so that we can have a point of reference now if we were to look at some uh raise increase scenarios I brought some numbers to share with you a 2% increase that would also include um the French benefits associ with that increase would cost the district a total of $3.9 million uh for all staff and the cost to 199 would be 2.5 million if we wanted to do a 3% million that would cost uh I'm sorry 3% increase that would cost 5.9 million and to 199 it would be 3.8 million now a 4% increase across the board would total 7 .9 million and cost to 189 is 5.1 million so each percent is 2 million more Bas and then this is just a
050chart of the raises that the district has given in the past just for your reference and then the next chart is any additional increase like a retention stien for example and when there was Sr money the holiday pay we are proposing taking some vacancies and repurposing them to create several new positions we do feel that the middle schools do need some help within their bookkeeping staff because they don't actually have a bookkeeper um so we were planning on recommending to the board uh one at Morris one at Kathy which are the two highest enrolled uh middle schools and then having two more to be shared amongst the remaining for campus who have lower enrollment we also feel like like uh we could uh benefit from an additional Mariachi teacher but this one would be stationed
051at the middle school to to begin that program and then they would also assist the high school and I have the campuses I believe it was bosom Cassie sorry go ahead go ahead it's a workshop there's no microphone over there he doesn't need the microphone good evening it's Brown and Brown and they're the ones who have had the pilot program and um Brown is um overflowing with kids they currently have 33 kids in one class and so we would like to expand and see if we could get our middle schools involved in the program this brown and I have some questions um going back to the bookkeepers would they payate for um I don't know if that's on my head Dr can check yes we have the high school we already have bookkeepers is this
052uh to keep track of like fundraisers is this for like Athletics or is this under the princip no it would be under the principle it's to keep track of all the campus funds for campus activity funds their uh General funds their fundraisers and also to be able to work with the sponsors the the coaches and the the Fine Art sponsors and CTE sponsors that also collect money and needs to be deposited and reported um who who does it now the principal secretary right now it's the principal secretary and they're very stretched what we've done is we've gone campus to campus and and and meeting with the principles and their team we've taken the finance team with us as well and kind of gone over their budgets and the same pressure point that we keep hearing
053at the middle schools is they need help because their secretaries can't do do it all but is it is it enough to have a full-time person there or could we pivot and maybe add a library assistant that could do part-time bookkeeping part-time library assistant I just know we we've downsized all of our libraries and with you know Artificial Intelligence coming and and then Middle School it's when you're learning how to write your papers and your all your bibliographies and all that you really need all that help in middle school I feel like we need more resources in the library so could we maybe pivot and do part-time bookkeeper and part-time Library assistance just a thought something I mean you don't have to answer right now but I think that might be a good solution to
054help out in the library then help out with doing bookkeeping because I just don't know if bookkeeping is a full-time job um on that campus um as it relates to the miai teacher that stien $8,500 it's it's on another page we're going to go in there that's more than the head band director makes at a middle school that has 100 it's equivalent to the assistant Mari at a at a high school at a high school okay but but this is for a middle school program so a middle school program has uh the choir director band director that make only is it's uh 6,500 and 7500 this is an $88,500 stien with 15 extra days 15 extra days is another $4,500 so it's really a 12,000 no it's a $113,000 stien and right now there's 33
055kids fum I mean at Brown how many kids are at faam okay um I at fsam there's uh I think it's 15 because we had tried to cap it at 15 because of our other programs um at Brown we couldn't stop parents were continuing to to try to go past the C however this director would also serve as a high school assistant director and also in order to make sure that they get the six classes they would be going to assist each high school I'm sorry I forgot to go get it they would be going to assist each high school and they would also be responsible for going to the evening events at the the high school and the evening competitions and the weekend competitions the same as the assistant currently does at the high
056school so the same duties would pertain to this director as well so I just don't understand though how I mean I'm I love Fine Arts I understand um but when I see miai Middle School it it worries me for a couple reasons number one it's like mathematics you have to learn the multiplication table before you throw them in the algebra and so in my mind you have to join band or orchestra or choir to learn how to read music write music before you can start to play miachi because miachi they don't teach you how to read and write music right the notes so to speak they they do and our our miai directors are currently certified in in music um and so I have asked them that very question so what we've tried to do
057here at Mallen I is we've had a well-rounded miai program to Encompass that or to ensure that we have a trumpet director a violin um uh Adonia Etc so that way all of those needs are met and so our director because Mel and I is very unique in this endeavor we travel and so all of our directors help one another to ensure that there are no spots that will hit us harder I think the the solution to that would be to raise the stiens that we already have for the band directors and the choir directors at middle schools from their 6,500 to the 8500 to make them equivalent I think it's a wonderful idea for the miai uh directors I don't think they have a lot of students right now you it's not like they
058have 150 students in the class so I I think this is a great idea as long as you also lift up the other directors I would love to do that I would love to lift every single director I know you I know you would uh and then also on that page we have the Fine Arts assistant director is that going to be at the same as an assistant uh Athletics is that going to be an ae7 or is that a different I was hoping to have it to be the same as as an athletic director assistant um we we run very lean in the athletic I mean in the athletic I feel like I'm right there with him but we all run um I would just like to have an assistant director as well well
059no I I I I mean Dr and I talked about this last year so I appreciate him throwing us in there I mean we all know um Fine Arts the numbers are huge uh if you do if you look at our budgeted funds for Fine Arts U it was what what 2.3 million so if you divide that up between the kids the student ratio is we only spend $254 per student if you look at our Athletics it's over $6 million if you divide that up by the students we spend almost $755 a student and I think that's wonderful that we're spending that a Athletics I think it would be even better if we're spending the exact same amount in Fine Arts so I think it's great that we're moving in that direction doing an assistant
060Fine Arts director um and the miachi for middle school but I think we also need to lift up the other stiens to make them equal because I would be pretty upset if I was a middle school band director and my statement was only 6,500 and the miai guy that only has 33 students at my school 15 there is making more than me so just my thoughts on it noted and I will definitely look into that as well all the stens that we have they're being proposed I mean as we navigate more through the through the budget the remainder of the semester we'll make ajustments accordingly our next budget Workshop that uh we have set up believe it's on March the 4th uh we will bring a rough draft of the compensation plan and and once
061we put that Compensation Plan uh to the board bring it to the Board of Trustees uh you'll see where these positions are going to fit in as far as a pay grade as well as we continue to polish work on those typings um the at the next meeting so right now we're just putting out the you know the the initial steps that we're taking on what requires stiens how much are we looking at and then uh and then we'll adjust as we Mo on and based also on the input by the Board of Trustees okay now moving on to the proposed revision to stiens in the bilingually funded program we do have a teacher coach English learner that's we're recommending moving from 2,500 to 3,000 the same for the bilingual ESL teacher coach um we
062are removing eight uh teacher dual language uh project teachers and then creating a new sipen that is for dual language campus Lead Teacher uh 10 at 500 a piece for Career Technical education funded stiens um we are proposing uh two new ones Texas Association of future Educators at $2,000 and Texas Restaurant Association at $2,000 as well we also are changing the quantity on the DECA stien from 6 to 7 and The First Tech Challenge and Lego League from 6 to 7 for dyslexia funded uh change in quantity of stiens the certified academic language therapist is going to be going from 1 to eight and the certified language practitioners from uh to be determined to four for special education we do have a new stien lead counselor a quantity 1 at 2500 the speech assistant therapy
063is going from a quantity 7 to a quantity 9 and adaptive PE Special Olympics from 1800 to 2000 adaptive PE from 1,00 to 1,200 and then the rest these stiens as you can see in the red they're going from the red amount to uh the green amount and the quantities are being revised according to the need for rdspd we do uh have 29 uh stiens in this category going from 29 to 30 and then from 5 to 4 on the rdspd Lead Teacher special assignments the campus coordinator is increasing uh $50 for Science and Engineering fair and then the secondary Science Olympiad coach from 700 plus 350 to 900 + 450 for state and National competitions secondary Science Olympiad assistant coach from 350 to 200 to 450 to 225 and then uh we are creating
064proposed two new stiens for elementary Science Olympiad coach and assistant coach 18 coaches at 500 and 18 assistant coaches at 300 will the rdspd stiens increase as well uh the ones that in the dollar amounts they're not increasing it's just in the quantity and it's kind of a swap so um from 29 to 30 stiens in the those different categories of teacher AI certified teacher AI certified alternative certification route teacher Challenger and the teacher experience and teacher grandfather so it's it's only the number of people eligible to get the stiens that's changing not the stien amount okay and I think the number I think we have it down at 1500 but I was hearing from teachers that they only receive um she's here oh here it's on right good evening hi so we have we
065had 29 teachers and now we're going to have 30 are teachers max out at $5,500 for their stip in okay they have to be certified in Def Ed and they also have to pass the state exam in Sign Language okay and then they would receive the Max and we had five lead teachers because we had students at strides this year we don't have any at strides and we're not going to have we're going to have students at strides possibly next year but they're going to be with interpreters so we don't need a Lead Teacher there so we're staying with just four lead teachers that was that cut okay thank you can I can I add this is not exactly a stien this is a about positions that we were talking about earlier um but I
066know we had last year we had a lot taken from elementary campuses just because we had to consolidate all those Esser positions um I'd really like to for us to consider maybe one additional like K through second um instructional assistant or something because I'm hearing that um many schools are are kind of seeing the consequences and are hurting from from those positions being taken away um even though I knew we were in a position where we had to consolidate um but if we can reconsider adding back one something for Early Childhood U that's the foundation of you know their whole career in school so if we can consider um like either an instructional assistant for campus for pay through second or someone who can float around and and help with but we we'll take note
067of that uh we'll also look into the how much of a cost it would be that way but as we move on WE we'll bring those okay those uh um recommendations with the cost and and then see if we can fit them in or not as we move on okay so that will be added to our next budget Workshop then yes okay so uh the the other thing is uh on stiens you know uh we we know how important it is to continue to better our stiens uh for our Fine Arts our coaches uh our special ed you know uh and we know how important it is because uh our teachers our coaches everybody works very hard and and there's a lot of challenges you know just like the special ed staff I mean they're
068they have a lot of challenges and we' like for them to we're going to continue to uh increase typing like we are proposing uh now you may not see like big increases but we are making increases uh the only thing is that what has happened in my Cen I came in last year is that stiping were kind of far behind in comparison to surrounding districts and we're making steps and we're moving up the we're moving the needle but we just can't move it overnight because it's hard to make up five to eight years of of stiens being kind of like frozen but since we got here last year uh we moved increase stiens and we're doing the same now we continue to move stiens and increase those uh to be competitive and and we recognize
069how critical it is for all uh stiens to continue increasing so that we can be competitive with surrounding districts and and that's our intent if you look at all of them especially like uh uh RDS uh and special ed and Fine Arts and Athletics we are uh continuing to do that because we know how important it is and we need to you see all the green that's how we are uh moving from the red which is what currently it is to Green where we're increasing stiens that's like special ed uh special education staff um and and so we're going to continue moving those typin where they need to be it's just that we cannot do it overnight I cannot make up seven eight years from one year to the next but I can sure start
070moving the stiens uh year by year and and get there eventually but and that's what we do moving on to uh special assignments the elementary grade level chair from 18 to 126 and basically that was a correction in to match the current practice there was a typo in the book because of the different number of grade levels times 18 campuses so it wasn't just one at every campus that was incorrect Elementary campus technology facilitator from a th000 to 1,200 Elementary media technology facilitator from 1,00 to 1,200 and then bus driver trainer from quantity 2 to three we are spending the same amount uh but we are reducing the per stipend total to 2,000 from 3,000 and then in UIL Middle School U um the coordinator is moving from 1,250 to, 1500 and then all of
071the coach assistants are at 850 um the on the ones that are noted in the green only for high school the same goes for that where the coordinator is going from 2,500 to 2750 and the coach assistants are going to 1,300 from 1,200 state and federal programs I yes I think I I opened up the PDF and not the the slide deck but in that for high schools does that disc I can't see that that I didn't open it but does that include our um Athletics um our trainers this is not the Athletics this is just U for academic UIL okay this is the academic part we do have a slide for athletics coming up um on the state and federal programs funded the University of Texas real Grande Valley teacher residency is going from
072quantity 16 to quantity 20 and then and then for fine artarts uh the we did discuss assistant choir director from 4,000 to 6,000 Middle School choir director from 5,000 to 6,000 and the change in quantity of stiens from assistant High School collaborative Broadway musical from 3 to 6 and then uh new stien for maiai director uh at 8,500 for 15 days and of course these are just uh proposals right now recommendations again on there um I know we're trying to push the needle I know it's been stagnant for a while but again on there you're talking about about classes things that are happening the entire 187 days out of the year that that you have choir you have band uh and so in these sions are still even though yes it's going from 4,000 to
0736,000 it's still not the amount of when we get to um the Athletics when you're going to be asking for $7,500 STP in for one short season so again I think we really need to be pushing the fine because this is a yearr round sport so to speak versus a season and it's still you know thousands of dollars less and it's not 15 days it's I just let's keep focusing and pushing on Fine Arts and get them equal to Athletics because even though yes that's an increase it's still not what you're going to ask for when you we get to that next page so my two cents all right well we're taking not of all those elments by the board um for moving on to Athletics the new uh new dipen being recommended is special
074teams coordinator and it's 7500 which is the same as uh the other um the other uh coordinators football coordinators so that that special teams coordinator is also 15 days so that's $4500 so it's really a $112,000 typen just want that in people's minds okay the extra days um for the coaches right now is currently being paid at uh certain rate and we are recommending that that be changed to the teachers's current daily rate because that's basically how all the other stiens for the most part are paid and then the athletic trainers that do cover the Middle School events we would like to recommend that they get paid at their current daily rate for Anytime they do that additional duty I see that Mr mclen is here Mr mlen on that one the Athletics trainers covering
075Middle School events does that include um so we have several kids that are moving on to Regionals and hopefully the state in powerlifting right now um it's really hard and I I attend those I I try to attend the powerlifting it's my sport um and so I little bit partial to it but my concern is that you have the three High School coaches and you have multiple kids at different events and to spot them um and to get them where they need to be it's really chaotic and so do Middle School uh trainers help to cover those I'm just afraid one of our kids might get hurt because of the you know we don't have well any of our athletic trainers covering Middle School events are there any but can any of the trainers assist
076with that do they assist with that I'm just usually the trainers uh cover the home events and sometimes they'll go to playoff games if there aren't a lot of events at the campus so they cover we have one Middle School trainer that Middle School trainer is helping out at row uh because we have one of our trainers that is fighting cancer right now so uh so what we have done is we're getting EMTs at a lot of our games and then our middle school or our high school trainers are on a rotation when they can cover Middle School sports okay well that was just a concern that I had you know Thea chaotic nature and the the dangerous uh nature of those particular events you know just I can I see from the stands and
077the coaches are trying to keep back of everybody and spot them and it's tough and I just wanted to say the sports that's year round that's year round that's in the summer uh the coaches are working with kids in the summer a season is usually about five to six months at the high school level uh so they so for instance your soccer basketball coaches at the high school soccer basketball baseball softball they are administrator charge on games on Monday after practice Tuesday they are traveling to a game or they have a home game they're probably not getting home till after 11:00 Wednesdays a lot of times they is their early night but uh they probably get home maybe about 6 o'clock Thursday kind of the same thing they they practice till about 600 6:30 and
078then they get home after that on Friday they're traveling uh they are traveling to a game or they're hosting a game at home another another late night uh yall know soccer games they last till 9:30 sometimes 10:00 uh sometimes our basketball games and Saturday they are having practices and they are the administrator in charge at sub Varity games so this is not a TW Monon period it is a four five six month season year round they are up at the school all summer doing doing their their training with the kids and so forth a lot of it's for free uh so they're they're taking care of that so the stiens they work very hard and I think we also got to remember we have over 110 120 of our coaches in middle school and high
079school that teach Math Science Social Studies English language arts or special education so they are held under the fire for star for AP testing and so forth so they are teaching all day long they may Middle School they don't have any athletic periods that they're coming from the classroom High School a head coach may have two athletic periods an assistant coach will have one so they are teaching they are held to standards as far as AP testing so if you look at our High School uh Soccer Coaches at the girl side they're all three AP teachers they are all working real hard they're teaching all day they have late nights and that's over a 5 to six month period plus the summer they're doing the individual training with their kids for one hour because U
080allows it and they're coming up for summer strength and conditioning so I just wanted to make sure that everybody knew that these coaches work real hard they put in a lot of hours and they deserve to be compensated for what they do Mr M I wasn't saying that they don't deserve Mr McAn I wasn't saying they don't deserve to be compensated I was saying I wasn't saying not to those stiens I was just saying that people in Fine Arts work as hard as two so I appreciate everything you're saying and I didn't mean to say it was just a season I know they work year round as does I should have said everybody works year round that's what I meant so I appreciate you're going on and on but we are all on the same
081we all feel the same way we love Athletics we love Fine Arts we just need to fund them equally is all I was saying yes ma'am yes ma'am thank you thank you on that note I just have um I'm sorry I was just gonna add that I think like what we're experiencing is just the stress of having a fixed and finite pie um but I think that we all share the same sentiment of wanting to get our people compensated the way that they should be um and so like trest da said I said it's not about you know Athletics Works harder or doesn't work harder or F Fine Arts does um all of our programs do really well and we want that to continue um this is just kind of the stress that we're put
082under not at our choice absolutely um but in addition to coaches I think it's important that we also keep in mind our trainers um our trainers work every every event athletics they're at pigskin they're everywhere on campus and they are everything not only just for our high schools but for our middle schools as well um and if we're saying that we're doing 7500 for a special teams coordinator that yes may work all year but they have their football season of five months our athletic trainers cover every sport and they're only at about $6,000 sipen um I I just think we should consider that uh looking at our neighboring districts Sheran has um trainers at each middle school mission has two um in middle school edinberg has three in middle school psj has four Middle School
083trainers and the average for those uh trainers is about $10,000 sipen so I know you agree that our trainers deserve a lot more than than what we currently do and and I hope we take that into consider cation because you know or if we added a another Middle School trainer that covered maybe three qus of the their time was with middle school because it's important for those middle school athletes to know who their trainer is going to be when they get to their High School um and so that that additional Middle School trainer could cover middle school and then maybe a quarter of a Time cover some of the the night events um at the high school level well the ultimate goal would to be have three Middle School trainers one per vertical team so
084a trainer for Morris Travis a trainer for Fon delion a trainer for brown and Kathy now we've talked about possibly their pay grade going from three to four of the trainers or doing a stiping I know HR they're doing a tasby study as as far as comparison throughout the district I know there is a tasby study but we don't know if it's 100% just salary and not the stiens I'm not sure on that one CU I've seen an RGV uh kind of a survey and then I've also seen the tasby uh survey and you're 100% right our trainers work year round our trainer uh say Memorial last year they work from July through June because the memorial baseball team made it was playing in June of last year and they're loyal I mean oh absolutely
085the trainer at Memorial was there when I was there and so that's my fear is that we're going to lose um our trainers that we have trusted even like now parents of young athletes who you know they trusted as well in high school um to neighboring districts because we're paying you know four5 thousand less so um I hope that we figure out um a a good balance between coaches are just as important and and and my children owe a lot of their advancement in athletics and and in life lessons as well to their coaches but the trainers are the ones that look out for them just as much so well our trainers have also been very involved in our strength and conditioning programs as far as technique as far as all of that and the
086last few years our our claims for injuries have gone down over 50% and if you talked to Andy Silva I think our catastroph our insurance went down maybe 303 to $40,000 probably because of that so they are very key in the success of all of our programs and getting kids back on the field and also trying to prevent injury through strength and conditioning through technique through everything that they do and they are outstanding people and hard workers thank you m thank you thank you and we also recommending a change in quantity of stiens for baseball assistants from 9 to 12 football varsity assistant from 18 to 21 Soccer assistant from 12 to 18 and softball assistant from 9 to 12 moving on to the legislative update I'm just going to go over uh some of
087the highlights on here because you know for the sake of time um this the state has a20 billion Surplus uh at the start of the January uh 14th uh legislative session there are uh quite a bit of bills it's it's been said that this is going to be one of the largest uh year with legislative activity um as you can see in this chart um funding the last two years has been at its all-time high um Texas lawmakers will have 194. 6 billion to spend for the next budget according to the comproller they have uh 4.5 billion in contingency writer for school finance and 1 billion for Education savings account the budget bill has been filed on both the house and the Senate side and there's about 1.7 billion associated in student populations uh likely
088projected to increase the special education that's one area of focus also school safety uh Pre-K is another Focus prek enrollment are we getting money for school safety for what I'm sorry are we getting any new money for school safety for school safety there's several bills on there that are proposing changing the uh school safety allotment and increasing so it's very likely that that we will be getting some some money now some money that we know we are getting is the guaranteed yield on the golden pennies and on this side uh slide uh I show you what the difference is thanks to our business office for helping calculate that in 2024 uh we knitted 130 million from the state uh State funding formulas and when the yield was 12952 increasing it to 132 that gives us
089135 million so you can see the difference there and increasing it to $140 the following year gives US1 139 million so so we are getting some money and it does help that we've maximized uh on the golden and the copper pennies those 17 cents property tax relief this is one of the governor's emergency items now in order for uh lawmakers to pass any bills within the first 60 days the governor has to declare it an emergency item so that's why these are special and we're calling them out so be expecting to see some movement uh relatively quickly on these four emergency items and property taxes is relief is one of them so Senate Bill four and sjr2 which together are the vehicles for the Senate increase in the homestead exemption from 100,000 to 40,000 have
090now passed the Senate and are headed to the house for further consideration another emergency item for the government is teacher pay yay so increase in teacher salaries through a direct appropriation as a matter of fact today there was a new bill that was filed with some tiered funding for teachers uh increase in teacher salaries um for compensation strategies onetime increase to Teachers Pay by $4,000 and then also investment in the Texas teacher incentive allotment the the teacher pay they want to give it as a typ in of one time true not a not as part of their salary the salary they're going to leave it up to us because that's ongoing and for them it would be only a onetime payment so um large districts like Mallen ISD it would be like a stip in
091of $44,000 but that's it the the increases of salaries would be left up to the local boards to decide putting putting on yes and then another emergency item is the school choice item which is uh the voucher the vouchers for private school um between on the on the um basic allotment um there's some bills on there that uh are moving to raise the basic allotment from 6160 to 7,75 up to 7,660 now Mo Casey says don't hold your breath on this one so I mean we hope we hope to see a change enrollment based funding is something that they are talking about but it has a very big price tag so you'll probably see it with some of the the special populations maybe changing enrollment there's a lot of support for changing that uh how
092special education is funded so we'll probably see changes there but it's very unlikely that we'll see that across the board in the whole system so special education House Bill 1542 would increase the special education Transportation rate from uh $18 per mile to a150 another thing that they're looking at is intensity of service based funding and enrollment based funding as I mentioned property tax relief so Senate Bill 409 would prohibit districts from going to voters with the bond proposal if that uh that purpose proposal has been voted down in the prior five years so that's one of the bills another one house bill 250 would prohibit plan defeasance and disaster pennies and you know our district has done both in the past so so if that were to pass we would not be able to do
093that in the future and that's the last of the legislative update and at this time if you all have any additional questions I just think it's a looking like a scary time for public Ed but I'm really proud of our district and I'm proud of the decisions that we're making um the ways that we're investing in our um Pipeline and in our students and in our teachers I was s super excited to see the raise options for this next school year um it'd be something that we haven't done in years you know if we ever if we go with the some of the higher percentages um so thank you to the staff and thank you Dr GES but um we have how many more of these meetings six okay so we'll keep brain stormy okay
094I do agree with trusty kman um you know when when we first got elected we were told we were 5 million in the hole and then it was actually 20 million in the hole um because of poor choices of Prior boards and prior situations um but you know we have Been Under Fire a lot in the last two years because of of the difficult choices that we've had to make and hopefully this time around we can can see where we can improve and once we know better numbers on some of the items that were cut maybe it's something that we can re-evaluate as a board together um but I am excited to see some of those big percentage raises because when we first got elected I think it was like five% in you know whatever
095we could do because the prior board had zero budgeted U because of the financial situation and so if we worked oursel up from a0 five plan to potentially a four to potentially a 4% increase um I think that would be huge because maen ISD does need to catch up um to surrounding areas as well as in our health insurance which we've talked as well um but I'm excited because um we have those opportuni and thank you also for adding the the numbers giving us the scenarios now usually we don't get the scenarios until April May and then we're all scrambling we're crunching ourselves we're crunching ourselves we're doing our own spreadsheet so thank you so much for throwing out the scenarios right now so now it gives us more things to have conversations about so
096thank you so much to your team and and I also think that you know by giving us the scenarios now and um putting this front in Center at the beginning of our budget talks really hopefully I hope everybody understands that we're putting teachers and staff first and then working our way through the rest and so that is very important to this board and so you know great work good work I know we've got a lot to do and a lot a lot of uh numbers crunching but thank you very much everybody I'll briefly Echo that same sentiment and thank you Dr guadas for and the team for putting this first I think that we have all said it from the beginning at least of my service on the board of if we are about people
097first then why are we not talking about it at the beginning so thank youall all for listening cu cuz I know sometimes um I mean you could have not so I appreciate it um personally I I don't know how the rest of the teses field but I would like to see some follow up on the planning period as well just some scenarios of what that would look like to have that uh repurposed where where it was originally uh and what that would look like we took note of that and we'll bring it and um and we'll just look at the dollar amounts and and see what we can do everything's going to be a balance you know that we can do different things by by the time we finish in June so and we'll have
098it in the discussion items every time we meet perfect we done good job okay so we need to adjourn right oh yeah I have a motion to adjourn I have a motion by trusty Regal and a second by trusty Lopez all those in favor signify by saying I I all those opposed signify by saying nay passes 60 at 6:55 p.m. oh I'm sorry 5 uh motion passes 5 and at 6:55 p.m. we are adjourned