001came to order. Please stand for the pledge of >> allegiance. Approval of the agenda. >> Make a motion to approve the agenda. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Motion carries. Um discussion item 2526 budget. >> So this evening and um Deliss I'm not going to take credit card. Jalis has prepared a good presentation for you. Um, however, I want to start this evening. Um, I've received some questions and some emails and some different things. So, I'd like to address some of those items. Um, so one of the things that um has come up is on all of those tabs across the bottom of the presentation where Deise shows you um there's some questions of who falls under the administrators tab. So I want to
002clarify that for the um for the person. First of all, administrators is anyone who is in if you wanted to think about like this like a management position. So this would be our directors. This would be our principles, assistant principles, myself, um Deanna, right? Um or CTE director, right? All of those people. Um and then one of the you want me to wait? Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. All right. I just saw no signal sign. I didn't know if I needed to stop. Um, so, um, I just wanted to clarify that. Um, I learned something when I was talking to Delise this afternoon about that question. And if you want to explain where that administrator tab comes from. >> Yes. So, when we're we're budgeting in the system. >> May I express how much I [ __ ]
003hate >> your hacked by Hey, that sounds good. You know, I want to apologize to those on the board in the audience, anybody that was online that had to witness that. It's it's unfortunate of the childless nature of you know some people um you know to interrupt you know a meeting like this. So again just want to apologize to everybody um it's unfortunate that that had to happen tonight. So, >> so I'll start again kind of. So, I've been asked by um through a couple emails and some uh personal conversations and so where we left off was the administrative tab and who was on it and Deliss was starting to explain. >> Yes. So when we're when we're budgeting within the system um especially when it comes to different bargaining groups like we have um
004our PSSE union that has BIBA at a certain amount and then our ESP union that has a VIBA at a certain amount. Um in order to budget correctly and make sure everything's accurate, we have separate budget plans. Admin is all in one budget plan. Everybody basically gets the same benefits except for a few directors. And so when I created that presentation, I exported it from the system and got rid of names. So we weren't combining principles and directors and superintendent. It's just the way that the system budgets um and the way that it was exported from the system. And I didn't think it was necessary to separate all of them. There were no names or even positions attached to them. So that's where that came from. So, um, some other things that were brought to
005our attention was, um, we're trying in in a situation like this, unlike last year when we did these. Last year, we were looking to what were we going to spend, what were we not, and what were we going to spend it on? And in this situation, we don't have that money. We don't have that decision. So, it's a I don't want to say it's cut and dread, but it's just a very different type of budget. Um, so an example was asked or was brought out to me and says,"Well, people are kind of compl you're complaining about the cost of the VIVA and um, but Kim, you negotiated that and you did that and you signed those contract negotiations and absolutely um, when we're making negotiations, an example would be um, one bargaining group has x
006number of dollars, it doesn't matter the amount, and then another bargaining group wants to be closer to the next one. And so when we're negotiating, we're it's exactly that. It's a negotiation. You give some and you get some. And so BIBA in the Pasha School District has been around for a long time. So it's part of my job to negotiate VIBA or excuse me, negotiate the whole C uh contract and things come and go. So I just wanted to talk that through. Um, the only other one that really came up that I can address right now before and we take don't take too much time from Delise is when we were talking about the absences and well there's a couple but one good example is the absences. If a person's sick, they're sick. We're not
007we weren't questioning that or making a statement that someone was not um was misusing an absence. what we were saying was our checks and balances um were not as tight as they needed to be. And and I'm going to give you an analogy and I think anybody listening or um here at the table with me tonight when when I don't want to say there's enough money, but when that money is not the fixation of everything you do, you may buy three bags of potato chips every time you're at the grocery store. But when money becomes tight, you may say, "Okay, now I'm looking at what we're buying. It's we're only buying it." Have you ever heard this? Your family said, "We're only buying what's on the list today." Right? So, we're only able to buy
008what's on the list. And so, now our checks and balances have to be tighter. And those are audit steps. We're not saying anyone misudited. We're not saying there was anything. But now we're paying attention to how many paper potato chips are being bought. And we have to do that. And um then the last thing I want to do tonight is get the elephant out in the room. since we met last time, we had the um information that was released. We've talked about it at the district opener today. Um and going back to checks and balances, this is on Kim Casey. I approve our our our schoolboard agendas, but I'll be honest, I have not looked at every single link to approve it. Does that make sense? I make sure that it's on it's in the
009realm of what the board should be looking at and so forth. And from now on, I will look at every single link. And and so that's an example of how things get there. The only other thing I want to say is if if something is bothersome when we use an analogy or when we're using examples, we work really hard to not be accusatory or not identify people. We're talking about systemic things. So I just wanted to start that tonight. So if anybody's listening or whatever um the other thing is um when we talk about a department we're talking about the whole department. We're not talking about the directors to blame or the principles to blame or the superintendents to blame. We're talking about when we need to improve things, we need to improve them systemically.
010And so, um, if like we got an amazing news and I'll just make it public. We finally got our big safety net check and we got a way to even apply for 11,000 more something like oh 16,000 more. So those are benefit of who's doing the work. So people get the kudos and we get there is a problematic. So I just want to make that for the public record for tonight. And if you have any questions, I'm happy to um answer those questions. Um I tried to identify I have a list here of some things I was trying to identify for those who may be listening tonight. >> Thank you, Kim. >> Okay. Um Blake, can you put that PDF on the screen, please? And then would you just blow it up as big as
011you can? Um, and then board members, do you all have it so you can >> Yes. >> Just want to make sure you can get at it so you don't have to try and read the screen across the way. >> Probably not. >> Perfect. Okay. So, um, if you scroll down a little bit. Perfect. Yep. We can keep it right there. So, and then if you can scroll over to the left so we can see the right. You can keep going so we can see the words. Sorry. Yeah, >> I think that's fine. Yep. Everybody has it up here. Perfect. Okay. Um, so last week with the amount that we were spending, we are going to end it at a negative 630,000 fund balance. Um, so these I'm just going to go through the cuts
012that we did. Um, I don't have a copy of the F195. I'll have it to you tonight. Um, there was an issue with some account codes not coming over correctly. So I I just got off a Zoom with the ESC right before this meeting and we uploaded it to OSPI. Um, I'm going to I'm going to push pause just for a split second. So, when we do a budget and we make a plan, it goes to the ESD. They look at it, they converse through email, text or phone calls with the lease, then they say yes. Then we upload it to OSPI. That goes through their checking balances before it can come back and be published. So that's what she's saying when she we had an and if anybody's ever uploaded big files they upload
013and sometimes they go through well and sometimes they don't. So when they don't go through well then we do a check and balance and then we have to go to OSPI and they only look at them three times a day or something like that and then they come back to us. So just uh some context for people. So OSPI pulls data a few times a day and so like 3:30 is one and then like 5:30 is another one in the evening and so I uploaded it 45 minutes ago. Um so the the cuts that we had so the total cuts that that the board asked were were two mill two 2 million75 um I did reduce that a little bit um to 1.8 eight um only to leave us some capacity for spending. My reasoning
014for that is anything could happen. Literally anything could happen that we would have to find money for. Um so I'm just building a little bit of capacity in our budget so we don't have to do a budget extension if needed. Um but the cuts, so we cut 750,000 from salaries. Um this included uh the 200,000 from the half a million from forert subs, 200,000 of the half a million for classified subs. Um we pulled we cut 250,000 from the 400,000 of overtime and then we cut a 100,000 of the 260,000 um of extra certain time above and beyond contract and supplemental contracts. Why don't you explain why you changed kind of from what we talked about at the last study session of the overtime? You left a little more capacity. >> Yeah. So, so that's
015what I was that's what I was talking about. I left a little capacity in overtime. Um when I tell you we're getting a lot of push back from the unions about overtime, we are. Um and so I don't want to run into a situation where we are are made to pay something. um that we're not budgeting for. Um and so I thought the fiscally responsible thing to do was to leave an extra bucket in there because we we don't know how this is going to play out. Um we have a we have a union meeting on Monday with one of them um to talk about it. Uh but yeah, the the the CBAs are are hard to get around. Um, and so the next Sorry, can you just explain to me like I guess I'm
016not understanding what the push back would be. There's probably a certain amount maybe guaranteed contract >> for one union. For one union there is um the the push back that we're receiving from unions is that it should be in good faith that we give them overtime and not have them flex their time. >> But it's not in the contract that way. It >> is not in the contract that way. Yes. Um and so this is, you know, a part of keeping good relationships with our unions. Also, um Kim has worked very hard to create these relationships with the refs. Um and so we just need to keep the conversation open and hear them out and and what they have to say about it. Um I just don't want to be put back into a corner
017for something that we can't get out of. Um, so I did leave $100,000 in there for for the classified. >> Can I ask a question? Um, >> so you added $100,000 in add take it out. >> So I guess for me I don't have a problem doing budget amendments. Um, what that allows us well in my perspective allows the board to have control over spending. But if it's needed, we can always make a budget amendment. I know it's not the ideal way to do it, but if if we are in, and this is just my opinion, but you know, if if we're in this situation and next year is going to be even funner, >> um, you know, I don't I guess I mean, I get what you're saying. It does make sense, but if
018if we're going to be true to the a budget and try to not only worry about this year's budget, but next year's budget, I would rather do a budget amendment if it's needed. Personally, that's just my opinion. >> I'm going to ask a question that I would think I would know the answer to, but I don't. what and how not so much for our operation. What is involved in asking for the budget extension as far as the relation with the ESD and the OSBI? >> Oh, it's it's fine. It's kind of like the what we're doing for ASB, right? So, we have to pay for the advertising costs. You have to publish it for two weeks before the extension. Um, and then that's basically it, right? So, we have to redo our budget with OSPI.
019OSPI has to approve it. But we would rather do an extension than get a hand slap letter saying that we overspend budget. Um, and that was a completely different situation. That was a system thing. However, those add up, right? And we don't want to have that kind of of reputation. >> But I think um, and make make sure I get my notes right. I think isn't the ASB budget extension due to some money getting added into that budget? >> Yes. And them having more capacity to spend it. >> Yep. >> So I to me this seems different. I I mean, and please chime in, but um you know, if we if if we keep the budget as is based on last, you know, what we talked about last meeting, you know, we're going to know
020where we're going to sit by February of next year. >> Uh so you're not going to have to actually do a budget extension. It would be a budget amendment to extend, you know, the capacity to spend, right? >> We would still have to do an extension to to to extend the capacity. But we could do that within the year, not at the end of the year to push it. >> Yep. Yeah. Exactly. So, obviously, you know, the sooner the better. We want to do an extension. And a lot of districts will do it just in case if they think, you know, or if they're forecasted or if they're a little bit nervous about it just to give themselves extra cushion. >> And so, yeah, I I'm totally fine with that. If that's what you guys
021want me to do, I'll I will change it and we can we can do that instead. I don't have a problem with that. >> I'm just one person, one opinion. I mean, it's going to take all of us to That's a consensus. And what was the dollar again? Sorry. >> 100,000. >> Yeah. Um I we're getting ahead of ourselves here or not, please. If I am, just let me know. But currently estimated fund ending fund balance is at a 3.1%. Um so I think if I recall, uh policies four >> four to five. So, I mean, even at again, the conversations of we're we're passing a budget that goes against policy. So, I think that goes back to Jason's comment about something's got to get whacked, >> right? And I and I think an an
022important thing on this too that I wanted to bring up is this is a tight budget and we need to be even tighter. like we cannot we really ha we really have to hold the hammer down this year um because we are still putting extra cushion in both salaries and M socks for adjusting pace um but we we have to tighten it up but I I am open and willing to do whatever whatever the board wants. >> Okay, keep going while they process some of that. >> I I would agree with that. I think we just need to draw a hard line now and then we can always off through the year. I will I will do that at least one more question before we keep going. Yes. Um trying to pull up our presentation
023from last time, but did the beginning fund balance amount change from our last presentation or did that >> uh Nope. That that is the same. I have I have that open right here. It's it was a 675. >> Well, we we're hoping it to be better, right? I think for me knowing the numbers, I predict we'll be at a few hundred,000 above that. However, I'm very conservative in my budget and I I don't want to, you know, make a promise that we can't. >> Um, so I I did budget a conservative number for that. Um, okay. Mox. So, I wanted to So, I've been working with uh Drew at at at 123 and um our when we when we spoke last week, our budget at MSOCS, we did not spend the capacity this year. we
024cannot spend the capacity because we're we are spent a million and a half dollars over in salaries, right? And so that got reduced from Mox. And so we're predicted to spend $718,000 less in MSOC than we budgeted for because of the increase in salaries. Um and so the ESC advised to take that out. Um, and so we were able to cut some in MSOC. And so I cut the 718,000 that we're not spending and then we're cutting even more. So we went through and uh did the curriculum adoption. I edited that to be Diana's requested 40,000 I think it was um above and beyond the grant. Um we took out a bunch of $470,000 of supplies. Um, and these were just buckets of supplies and in different codes that did not get used. Um, and
025then building budgets. And so we did we did at at the advice of the board reduce all the building budgets to 30K. So we were at 335 that was allocated. And so now we have allocated 30k to every building. And so we cut that out of the budget also. Um, so our our MOCS um were were cut a little over a million dollars. But again, we have to be tighter. Like, we really, really, really have to be tighter. Um, talking about paper, monitoring paper, um, creating an account code just specifically for paper to see who's using how much paper and why, and where we can cut that back. Um, you know, things like that. Really monitoring POS, what's being purchased. Um, you know, a lot of our buildings now they have all of their POS
026entered for this coming year. We had them do it in the spring. Um, and then we had um some discussion about waiting because of cash flow. And so we did, but those have all been approved and are are being paid. And so the budgeted amount for this year um the you know I know some schools have gotten their paper and the classroom orders. Um we we ordered desks and furniture for some rooms that did not come out of building budgets. That was a district cost. Um and so we we really, you know, no travel. Nobody should be traveling. Um even if even if you're in a grant, right? And it's not about it's not about the the cash flow. It's truly about the the expenditures. We learned >> put one staple in that sequ. >>
027Yeah. Deanna, did you want to say something? >> Hi, Mrs. Munos is down the hall helping families. But this is art and music. >> Oh. Oh, just mute her. She's talking to people. >> Art and music. >> It's not done. It'll be more decorated by the time you guys come on. Oh goodness, >> what a meeting. >> Um, I forgot where I was at, but we need to monitor the POS more, monitor the spending more. Um, no, you know, no traveling, no, um, overnight trips, no, you know, um, no conferences overnight, no, you know, none of that. And for the record, I'm gonna say this this conversation in case somebody listens to it later, we're not referring to ASB or student things. So like if you're listening and you only hear that clip of it,
028we're not talking, you know, FFA is still going to do it stuff and you know what I mean? Like the ASBs and Okay. So I just want to make sure I'm putting I'm just putting that out there for the record. >> Yes. Um yeah, ASB is fine. They can spend all of the money they want. They have they have plenty. We encourage that. Um and so we and we did were able to adjust the revenue a little bit also. Um so we had a little uptick in revenue. We were a little bit worried about our kinders because we had only had 140 registered and so we adjusted our FTE um and we do have 149. So that's an extra $90,000. And then um Deanna um realized that there was some federal reports, grant reports that
029came out that OSPI published and our Title One money was about $100,000 more than what we thought it was going to be. So we were able to add a little bit in the revenue. Um um we also just got remember the contract for don't remember the name of the company the PLC leader Chris Clem don't remember do you remember the name of her company that you did last week or last budget meeting we just literally about 4:15 today got um that the OSSI the school improvement grant reopened so we may be able to apply for that for that contract so it's it's A it really is a moving ship. As fast as we can go, it's changing, but that would fall under that. Yes, I have some other good news in amongst bad news. Um
030well, it's not it doesn't really change the bottom line, but we have some uh we worked with Clear Risk, which is the um insurance provider for our liability insurance. >> Oh, okay. which is actually the company is USIP universal school >> insurance provider. >> Anyhow, we had a meeting with them and I'm happy to say that they have allowed us or they've given us an option to do technically I believe seven payments and a balloon payment in April when we get our levy dollars. Um, this is, um, like I said, doesn't change what you're looking at, but this and no interest. And, um, so this allows the freak out that we always have in September and October to pay the $800,000 insurance premium in one lump or two like last year. Um, they are listening
031to their members, right? Or they're they're insured. And so we had a great meeting with them and we got an email today that that is an option and I think we're going to take it. >> Yes. And a in April for the balloon payment is because we get our big tax payment. >> So we'll have extra extra cash that month to pay the >> Do you remember what the monthly payment is? >> Like 70 Yep. 60,000 a month and then April is 300. >> So that's a good deal. >> And that's no interest, right? >> No interest. >> Yeah. They were very, very gracious. So, what I've heard so far, we're going to tighten the one that we padded back. We're going to tighten that back up to 100,000. Right. In the overtime, is that
032what I'm hearing? I'm seeing five shake nods of the head. Okay. >> Other questions, concerns, comments? I have a couple in the audience. Anything you've heard, Mr. Bailey, that Hey, anyone online? We really do like to hear from people. Okay. There's any. Yeah. No pictures. Um, I just was curious if our budget is projected to not maintain the fund balance that our policy dictates, what is the procedure we need to follow then? >> We're in a financial emergency. We have to declare a financial emergency until we are um out of until our fund balance exceeds that. >> So, I have been research well let me restate that there is an email out to research the order of operations that that happens. So at our next week meeting, we have a public hearing and then I
033have to determine I have to have guidance on if we do the financial emergency in the agenda order prior to the approval of the budget or after the approval of the budget. I believe it has to happen before or I don't think you technically could approve. >> Does that make sense what I'm saying? >> I think that's what we did last year. >> Did we do it in the same meeting? I could look but I just I just want everybody who's listening to understand that there is an order in which we have to do things so that we're following proper governance rules. Is there any miracle that might happen within the course of the year where we would then be able to be within the threshold we need to not be in financial emergency or
034should we just expect that this is going to be a cold year? >> If if we do it right, what we see is pretty much probably what you're going to get. And if we did the same thing the next year, then we would be out. two years of this belt tightening, if you will. >> Is that a would fix us out of financial emergency at least? >> Yes. >> Y to fix us to be able to get our fund balance to be at the the four 5% consistently. I think that's the issue, right? is is when when our fund balance is as low as it is and it has increasingly gotten lower over the last five years um and your expenses stay the same. It's really hard to get that fund balance back up. Um
035and you you everybody saw it with the COVID money. Um a lot of districts didn't save that money or invested that money. They spent that money on staff on buildings. Um, and so their fund balance, they don't have the cushion um, like what we're experiencing right now. And so we need to focus on getting that fund balance back up. Um, and you know, so we we can undo the belt a little bit and get back to normal, even normal operations. I think it's encouraging to hear that you only um foresee this being two years before we're back because I think there is a lot of um I mean I think there's a lot of people who are worried about what the next school year might look like and our revenue streams there too. So that
036still is up in the air for many. Um I think the I don't want to say the difference but a little bit of the difference is we're prepared now that that many may go and we should know about that when the federal government legislation set legislative session is over not two months or the month that we're doing the budget like what we had predicted. Um, one more thing for the public record. When I had sent the letter to the community and to you that we were potentially not getting our grant or our title dollars and so forth, a couple people asked me, why haven't I sent that letter back out like this has come back and we were able to do that? I didn't, like you're just talking about tonight, I did not feel comfortable
037doing that until this budget is approved. Does that make sense? So, um, the employees are back and some of the programs are back, right? Um, but I'm just not comfortable until we have everything in line and then it'll be here's what we were able to bring back for 2526, but we're still uncertain for 2627. We will keep you a breast as it happens. the question um kind of goes back to your PO monitoring POS and stuff like that. Um, you know, when we look at the vouchers every month or every other week, um, in the detail page, is that where the PO information is going to be found? Is that what gets inputed into our system? >> Like when somebody else submits a PO? >> Well, yeah. >> Um, no. So, it depends. It depends
038on who's submitting the PO and like what vendor they're using. So, if you're using Amazon, you have a cart and it's an e-commerce vendor and so all the items are listed and then our accounts payable has to go in and approve it. Um, the e-commerce are one thing, but when you have um like an Office Depot order, the person entering it has the option of doing it by line item, right? So, you can upload a copy of your order. Um, or if you can't do that, you can do I would prefer line item, but that's just my preference. and you would go in and say, "Okay, I'm buying uh 20 cases of paper at this amount and the invoice will be this amount." So, we know what's being purchased. That doesn't always happen. So, it'll
039say >> they attach the cart. >> Yes. Or it'll say um supplies or it'll it really just depends on who's entering the PO. or it'll say classroom order or it'll say um and if it's not descriptive and if there's no line items, you know, we had we had a one recently where um the PO was entered and when you're looking at the PO, it looked like it because of the description, it looked like a cost for one item and it wasn't just one item, it was a cost for like 40 of them. Um, but the way that the PO was entered, it was entered as a oneline item. And so I was like, we're not spending that money on one thing. And so then the conversation started of, okay, well, why is this why are
040you spending this money on this one thing? Well, actually, it's 40. Um, and so that was a a learning opportunity. Okay, well, you know, next time if you don't want it to be delayed, have your secretary put it in in this way. Um, so that's just one example of of many on the POS. Another um let me I just like another example is uh let's use um food service. So if we're ordering from US foods and let's pretend there's 150 items. It it shows US foods order and this is not exactly what it says. US foods order October 5, right? And then there's an attachment to that, right? So what we're talking about the lease and I and our teams looking in and going kind of like what I talked about my the board packet,
041right? and looking at every single cart completely and looking at the orders on the back side because the purchase order you can say see attached and it's also you know training our new staff too to look at every single PO and to to question it and to look at the code before it gets to me because it gets submitted by person submitting it the administrator and then my accounts payable department and then it comes to me for approval. So, it goes through a few different approvals before it comes to me. Um, as you guys know, I have a very green staff. Um, and so teaching them what to look for. It's we're they are learning. Um, it's been some really great opportunities for our new accounts payable. Um, and we're very blessed to have her.
042She comes from a building and so she has that knowledge also, the knowledge of this is what it looks like when they're entering the PO. Um, and so just tightening up those processes and educating my staff on, okay, you should question this PO or if there's not an attachment, you know, don't approve the PO. Um, and so it it's a lot of that. Um, and with the POS, you know, we we had, you know, we had a spending freeze, right? Um, and this is a learning thing for me also is just because people are submitting it doesn't necessarily mean that it's necessary, right? Like we have to make the decision and really go through because if I'm a staff member and I need something, I'm going to think that it's necessary. You know what I
043mean? Um, but it may not be necessary in the bigger picture. There could be things we talked about postcards, right? or you know, I said, "Okay, well, instead of ordering postcards, why don't we just create them our own and it's going to take extra time and cut them, you know, on the paper cutter and copy last year's, but then we're saving a few hundred dollars on getting them printed somewhere else." Um, and so we're just going to have to be creative. >> Yeah. An example would remember we talked about the student handbook, right? Are we going to print or we're going to do it online? Then I do the research. The surrounding districts are all online, right? And so we printed a, you know, and then we saw what was happening and now we're only
044we're going to print them ourselves and print one or two for each building, right? So I think that's what Delisa is saying and everyone's working really hard and everybody is willing to be a partner and to make it better. Um, but it feels um to some it feels I don't know if the word's accusatory, but it feels um like we're picking or something, but it's the same across all types of people and meaning like all types of employees and all all positions is what I would should have said, not types, positions of people and all different things. And um you know we we just have to do it if if we want to do the right thing. It's going to be difficult for everybody, right? That hasn't been a secret. We've said that I don't
045know how many times. It's it's going to be an adjustment. Um there has been a culture that has been created that people have to step out of. Nobody likes change. I don't like change. Um but in order to get us back to a place where we can, you know, spend freely, um we have to be fiscally responsible to get to that point. Um because spending freely in the last six or seven years hasn't really helped us. >> And I think that's the other thing. Even when things are better, we may be able to broaden the spectrum of what's necessary. But the the freely concept is maybe what got us here to begin. >> Thank you. >> Questions, comments? >> Last year we um kind of talked about the right sizing of the district um to
046kind of help get things back in order. I guess as we as we sit today going into this school year, are we are we right sized or is that still something? >> We're closer. >> It's a process. Um here's I I'll give you an example and I'd like you to put your parents hat on, right? Um at what point and it it doesn't matter the grade, but it kind of does. at what point is is right sizing because remember the state allocation for a classroom is 28.83 at the high school right 28.83 the average I think that's what it is at what point is 28.83 eight three students in a classroom, right? Too many. And when is it not enough? So, I guarantee you, if there's a teacher listening and you're teaching algebra 1 to
047every student who wants to learn algebra or not, 28 students as a past high school teacher is too many kids in an algebra 1 classroom if you're going to give them the individualized instruction they have to make sure they truly know. So right sizing sometimes comes at a cost. We are really proud in proer that our youngest students have 18 students in a classroom and we're able to fall within that 18. If Jesse or Jod listening, I think we're we're there. Julain, right? I think we're there at K12, right? And then we jump up and then we also have contract language. what Dan uh Deliss was talking about when we hit to a certain number now we pay overload pay so how much overload pay versus hiring another teacher so I think to answer your
048question as straightforward as I can close um um I had a nice conversation with the high school counselor a couple days ago all the days are kind of running together but um the number of students that we're doing seeing in running start the number of students that we're seeing in our online programs all of those things have to be taken into consideration as well when you're right sizing right so is it tough because it's an everm moving number yeah but we are certainly a lot closer and um we mentioned it once we don't know what's goingonna happened in with those grant dollars being lost potentially everybody potentially being lost. What does that do to our right sizing? Right? So, I think the other thing I'd like everybody who's listening tonight to understand is when depending
049on your age, when it's COLA, that used to be the cost of living, that's what most people refer to it, or IPD, the inflationary price determinator or whatever it's called. when the state gives us that it's only for the amount of staff that meet in the model right and so that's one piece but both Delise I you know Deanna anybody we're not saying that we can run under that and that's why we have levies right so anybody's listening in 2027 we're going to have to run a levy again right we want people to understand we're doing the right thing even when it's hard and Right sizing is important, but we also have to b weigh out the cost and the benefit. Right? Had a really interesting conversation with an elective teacher. We know that we're
050focusing on improving um the core educational products of our students, right? English and I use ELA, English language arts and math. But it doesn't come at the cost of history and science. But does it come at the cost of the arts and PE? Right? And and I everybody I'm not saying it comes at that cost, but there are only seven or six hours in a student day, right? And the laws are very clear about recess and laws are very clear about lunch and that lunch one just changed again. So I guess what I'm saying is to answer your question again Brian there's a balance of right sizing and cost and what we give up right and we certainly do not want to tell family of a third grader um there's only x number of minutes
051of recess and x number of minutes of art or PE or something because math is more important than the well-rounded child. Some can argue it is and some can argue it's not, but I'm just saying there's costs ways uh pluses and minuses to the right sizing. We're getting closer. I I'm not sitting here saying we need to get rid of more people because I >> Yeah, >> it it's it's this two-sided thing. I mean, you enrollment's down. Um, so then I guess my mindset goes to, okay, if if ultimately we're more in line with a 1A school, you go to a 1A school, there's still students are able to do what students should be able to do. And I I still want that process. So, I I wasn't asking that. >> I didn't hear that
052way. >> I I know what the the state allocations, the way they allocate money and what they say a district should be run like. we're we are a different a different animal. Um so I I know that's tough. I just you know hopefully um we can still provide what students ultimately need to be well wellrounded. No, she just said she got kicked out, couldn't get back in. I just wanted to see >> other questions. >> Are we recording the whole thing though? Okay. deposit. Keep rolling. Okay. Um if there's no other questions or additional comments, hearing none, um that concludes this portion of the meeting. Uh future meetings, we do have a meeting next week. Regular board meeting August 27th right here at 6 PM. That will be a budget hearing. Um and then the
053following day on August 28th, there'll be a special board meeting at 400 PM on a budget extension for the ASB fund for 2425 school year. No further comments. This meeting's adjourned. Thank you.