001so moved saying I I I it wasn't even on oops all all right first up is discussion item apportionment for 2425 so are we G are you g use that do use power oh you're doing the work the worksheet okay okay so for the public I'm sure it's kind of hard to read in the pdf version um with my glasses it's hard to read um so this is our appr person worksheet for 2425 um and we did this in January so this is based off of December's um apportionment um and so this demonstrates the enrollment for grade and for building and then it also demonstrates what we are funded um by the state per position so some things that I'm G to pull my mic closer because I'm probably going to talk more this evening
002um some things that we want people to understand is um if and Dan can tag team me on this too so if we decide that we're want to have a class of 20 students or if we want to have a class assembly and that is our wishes that doesn't necessarily mean this state funds us on what we want they have a mathematical formula that they fund those positions on the other thing that you see in this is um when we talk about program or categorical dollars a bilingual teacher or a special education teacher they're funded out of different funds you want to tag is there anything you want to add on that d as an example well well this abortion went worksheet is just basic at right that's what I guess I wanted them just
003basic it so when you look at the numbers and go well this just says I don't know if we add up the teachers 103 teachers we have more than that well yeah because we have special ed and lap and title and so that is so when you look at this we're only talking about basic head yep so we have if you look at even just the certified staff we have and this is just teacher say does not include principles um we only have 40 of our our certified staff are paid via program so we are funded for 103.9 and we have 123 certified staff in in basic education okay so let's slow down do you want go ahead Michelle I was gonna go up here and show yeah no I was gonna ask just if
004you kind of walk me through where I'm finding these on the spreadsheet okay if you look at if you look at the spreadsheet so there's the little small p at the top it's just below that it says totals right where Kim's pointing that's the totals of what they fund Us St funded yes corre where do I see what we actually have oh so not on this we so this is this is a a spreadsheet from OSI um that we use every single year um and we put in December's apportionment amounts um because that's what we budgeted for um so this shows what the state funds us and what we're actually paying for so this do doesn't show any of that additional money that we ask our community for in taxes for example this is just
005our state so so for for 2425 we won't know until November of 2025 what the levy actually pays for so we have a subf fund worksheet from 2324 that that shows and I I presented that in our year end that shows what the state pays for and what the shortfall is but we won't know really what the short follow is for 2425 until November with your end so let's see whoa sorry so let's see if so I'm GNA go back to what danan said or Del said in that 103 number right that 103 number and the difference while we don't know the dollar amount the difference in the number of teachers is what our epnl Levy pays for okay so it I don't know the dollar amount but that's the people that it pays for
006now also though like for instance on Librarians Librarians we have a a fulltime a half halftime librarian and five full-time Library assistants so just because it says that many Librarians we use that funding to pay for all of those positions so even though they give you the funding like this that's like how they give it to you doesn't mean you match those numbers necessary yeah nursing is a good example too just like the Librarians we have two full-time nurses and we have well three halftime we have three halftime you know health room and office assistant and then two full-time nursing assistants so every every District kind of chooses how they conf figure that but if you notice they only pay us 3.1 3.1 nurses but we have to cover our two nurses and our nursing
007assistants out of that that allocation and the pay rate per se of that amount does not cover our cost of just our two nurses um can you can you go back sorry to the teachers you I think you you gave us a number on how many teachers are paid out of like categorical funds um what was that again 123 so we have 40 full-time certified staff that are paid out of program money we have 175 175 173 um teachers so we have 123 teachers out of 175 that are paid out of general fund 123 out 123 about 20 y about 20 over so I think that excuse me so I think that's you know part of when you look at the portion um those that haven't maybe seen it uh here online is we only
008actually get money for 104 teachers correct so basically that those dollars either get made up by Levy Levy monies um and that's not including you know all the other things that that come with you know teacher salaries benefits stuff like that okay um so I just wanted to clarify that real quick thank you I have a question real quick the um this is number of positions is there a set rate like how do they calculate how much money to give you per person it's in a teacher's contract at the back of the back but but she I think she's asking like how do they calculate they do have a rate the state has a rate that they choose y the state has a rate and there's a base column so for like principles you can
009see that they pay 107,000 $17 and 955 per principal we have no principle on our staff that makes that much money at all so we're paying above and beyond what the state funds us for for every single certified position I'm sorry I misunderstood the question that's okay um a good example is the salary there the 78209 you see that number the SE go down from the principles that's what they're paying for Teacher per teacher and if you've seen crer salary schedule we do not pay our our that's not our average salary at all and that is what is our average it's about 77 it's right in the middle and so if you compare us to other like siiz districts we are in the middle of the pay scale does that make sense what I'm saying
010we're not the highest paid teachers and we're not the lowest paid teachers we're right in the middle and so that's also something we do when we're negotiating we try and stay in the middle this is about negotiations tonight but I'm just using that as an example and that 78 is just salary not salary and benefit that's it that's and benefit yeah I'm GNA check with deliss on that Delise that 78209 includes their Ben that's everything we get per teacher yeah right so we know enough about benefits we're using 36% right now we're using yes 36% and if you see it has a little bit of an increase but it's not not very much so the maintenance CER the search stop is 72,000 the increase went up to um 78 but that's all together for for
011everything so the 77,000 average salary is just Bas that does not include any benefits um but that does include include enrichment hours so that's kind of nice but not the 30% so if you go down um I'm going to hold this up and I can go back up there in this column right in here this area um the other thing is if you take a look at Moc um you'll see insurance benefits payroll benefits right pleas down right down here yep the additional yep so those are some additional fees but even if you look at the salary plus that insurance right we're not even close we're not even do we have a like I know you say we're not even close but do we have a [Music] number like how much I don't even know
012how to even phrase this question but how much on average would are we paying over the upstate allotments that that's used for like levo so I think the the most direct way would be to look at our salary schedule that's at the back of the CBA that's on the website and you could see where the 78 is in the middle and this particular year well we have more young not younger but we have some younger teachers but we have some that are topped out on we have probably more a lot that are topped out on the bottom right like if you think of a graph that are the highest paid over 70% of our teachers have master's degrees so that that's why it's skewed so much yeah that's why the 78,000 is our average base
013salary because we have so and not a bad thing we have so many educated teachers that have been with us for so long they're topped out that's just the number that the the state uses so if they figure based on your enrollment you need you get so many teachers per you know for so many students that it's like so that's this is when the state went away from the state Sal schedule when it really made things complicated and diff difficult for districts because on the state s schedule whatever a teacher was like if we chose to do enrichment hours over and stuff that was on us but if we had a teacher that was you know Master's in 20 then that's how what the money we got from the state and then if they were
014a brand new teacher then that's the amount of money we got from the state and everybody had the same sour schedule so then they went away from that so then It ultimately becomes a District's responsibility one not only to negotiate the sour schedule and everybody's on different ones um but also you you you're not going to get you could have a really fantastic mature experienced sta and you really it really makes it worse for you so if we go look at this or um so basically the state for basic get says we only we should only have3 teachers based on the number of kids that we have right so it's based on um if you look at the top it's based on the state funded class size oh gotcha and and that number is a
015little bit different you know K2 is 17 you get up into K3 and then fourth every goes up a little bit um but the reality is we we we are overstaffed we're over staffed now we're working on making reductions but the reality of what the state funds is not the reality of what school districts have to do right it just doesn't work that way we don't have the exact same number of kids in every grade level with the exact same number you know it just it's it's a model they have to have a model because but it is is an un it's a it is not fully funding education right so another one that's really important to look at here today when we're talking about is let's look at the safety line they fund us
016for 043 of One Security person and we have five that's an example where our level of expertise our level of expectation in our district does not match what well and I think even you look down at technology I mean we're only supposed to get one. two people for technology I mean maintenance and custodial yeah when when the whole District runs like computer we we we are struggling to keep our buildings going now and we if we only had nine custodians that's one per building plus an extra one at each of the four bigger buildings that's just not realistic we have double that at least at least and let's look food service is it on here no because it's fed because it's funded sorry but but those are just things that we wanted to be really
017oh office support I think that one's kind of unique well I think honestly teaching assistance which would be Paras oh yeah four okay so we most of our Paras are program Paras special ed lab title migrant bilingual but whenever they're doing supervision playground Duty reset that's basic it so four people are supposed to that's it manage all our buildings all our lunches all our resources even if we put a little bit of and we put a little bit of mix again on all of our Paras to do that work with the exception of some of our like one-on-one Paras it might with it be with a student with with needs that they would have to be there full-time and they don't do regular like recess supervision or bus Duty there's no way I think our
018total pairs program and everything we're in the number of we have about 70 pairs yes now like de said I want everybody to realize I'm going say it again a lot of them are program dollars but we and I want you to think about if you have smaller children think about what recess Duty would look like with one adult per recess per building and they only pay us for four so which building's not going to have a lunchroom supervision or the bus or the bus or after school it's very interesting and frustrating document sure that's why we shed and and I think this is really important for public record also where we have may not have a lot of people listening or observing tonight I think it's important that they go back and listen this
019or not this is not something we make up this is not something that this is just truly and you can see the suppor shment number all of the stuff is on OPI it's all visible it's all public record um so it's not something that we we we just made this a lot easier for you to yeah but I'm just saying it's so it's not changing well I think a lot of people within the community probably don't realize the difference between basic head you know some of the categorical stuff and what we really get for basic Ed and how kind of hard it is to manage a district with what we get so I think it's good glad we're doing it so for anybody who's listening tonight or anybody who listens in a recording Dan myself
020and Delise would be happy to meet with anybody at any time to sh to so that you felt like you were at least somewhat familiar with this so if you're listening and you would like to do that we'd be happy to to share that on anything we talk about tonight other questions on a porit I think I saw Frank in there Frank do you have anything no I do not just taking it all in it's it's it's a little overwhelming s so Blake could you change this to the next so I'm gonna let Delise tell this story um We're not gonna go through this whole slide deck I want everybody to hear us we're not doing it but it is publicized for you um but we're going to tell you where this came from why
021we decided to do it and so on um so I first heard about k12 and enrollment um in a wasbo budget workshop last year um by the time I heard about the company itself um it was too late in our budget process and it just was not going to be worth the money so we did not lose use them last year um it is two principles in Washington state um they have a company and they do enrollment projections they look at birth rates and housing and all of all of the things um fellow is the closest District that use them they love them and so we decided to use them this year um to get a projection it's $1,500 a year and they update the information three or four times a year depending on um
022construction birth rates all of that good stuff um so we started working with them this year um we gave them all of our information and our projections for 2425 came in about three or four different we excited you were pretty on on on par with it um but we've been working with them and it's very interesting to see their different models um a very conservative model and then a very opposite of a conservative model and then we fall basically right in the middle um and we're we're pretty spoton um so we've been pretty happy with um their services um and we will continue to use them I think it's just it's it's kind of nice to have an outside company come in and validate your work and your information especially to the community um and
023um it's it's very eye opening also to see and you'll see what method that we decided to use um but no matter which method we're using it there's a decline unfortunately so which slide do you want Blake to go to so let's let's scroll down um if Blake you could go to the um exhibit onea it's white that one right there and could you just blow it up for just a moment so we we included the whole report in the board packet so you everybody was able to see the differences um all three of us have have agreed on this particular model because it's very much aligns with how we budget now for enrollment um um so this particular graph if you're seeing at home this is past data that is used to move forward
024okay Blake what slide you want to go to to 11 page 11 please page 11 so there's a lot more in here but you can use it for your going to sleep time later tonight if you haven't had a chance to read it all but this I thought was interesting I will tell you historically we've always used the cohort model project enrollment so in the cohort model we're projecting enrollment by um taking the students that we had in kindergarten and rolling them up to first grade uh Craig used to always do the the cohort minus one% that was kind of his his thing just to be conservative usually it was quite accurate um you know you would might be off by a little here and there but usually there was a like the net was
025pretty pretty close and then that year hit that we had that super low kindergarten class and then it was like oh my God what do you know all of a sudden we had you know 13 kids in a Kindergarten class and school was starting like there was no more kindergarteners coming so this is really helpful I thought this piece on the birth rates and deliss can talk about it but they go and look at they're using birth rates as well to predict our enrollment in birth rates in V County correct so not only are they using birth rates um but they're using uh construction they use a cohort model um so they see how many kids have moved from grade to grade um and really the the basis of the data is what the three
026of us have decided to use for enrollment is is pretty spoton um but all of their projections we can see in the next two three four years our funding is going to go down significantly no matter what model you look at um we're going to lose a lot more students um so we need to plan efficiently for that TR page 18 Blake um actually Blake would you stop at 13 I think this the graph that one yes and then just blow that up just a bit I think what you need to see here is the red is past or current and blue is projection okay so that's using all the data that they have birth rates for the next years and so on and so forth and that's what we need to look at moving
027forward regarding on which model we decide to do this is some this is very telling of what we're up against okay now you can go to which one now go to 18 hold on just real quick um on the last graph what was our projected um enrollment this year 2300 ft 2300 FTE yes so this is head count oh 2394 is head count remember the head count is you know we can have 2 200 students but our FTE might show up as like 24 25 because we have all the kitss to do running start or might have a partial schedule or might come partially homeschool partially to school those kinds of thingses so and our state funding is FTE based not correct we report both but they only fund off at F so if it
028might be the car before the horse but if we're looking into next year you would tentatively look at this graph at 2362 uh head count and then so we're probably realistically going to be somewhere in that 2380 or no sorry 20 228 yeah correct y so we we would be down 20 kids from what we' budgeted year okay thank you even though you're gonna will you stop at 17 I'm sorry Blake up down up down it's the one with the graph at the bottom with all the lines on it yes um I'm just you're gonna do this on your own but this is all the trends the different Trends you can use that's just what that shows okay now you can go to 18 blink so this one then transitions to the it shows you
029ft on the top head count at the bottom so when you get when it said 25 26 and 236 and you said 2280 you'll notice it says 2286 right so as um the best estimate so what we're saying like we want to always budget conservatively and this is what we're using as a tool and we'll still fall probably between lower and best and I did our old school enrollment and I think I got 2285 so our old school was one of the models they use as well but uh I think somewhere in between that best estimate and lower estimate is a good is a good estimate for us and hopefully like last year we'll have bar enrollment will go up um be higher than what we anticipated obviously it's not going up a bit higher
030than what we had projected and I think everybody needs to understand why we do that because if you're off at your beginning best guess in September in January you start start paying back what you overbed it and so it's way better to be on the other side of that coin I think I've heard this question answered before um this is this is indicative of schools all across our state is that correct that's correct and and one of the big points that when we met um to before this estimate even after this estimate was done is there is a declining birth rate birth rates across the country it just it's just is so every that's why all school districts are dealing with it because people are not having as many kids if you just Google birth
031rate like 1980 and then you birth to birth rate 2000 in the United States you know it always used to be every household had 2.15 kids it used to be kind of a joke and now it's like 1.84 yeah yep okay thank you that someone said to me maybe you can provide a good answer because I couldn't um but the comment was made to me like well so what if you have 15 less kids in your kindergarten class then you have one less teacher how's that really hurt your budget just hire one less teacher that that works and and and unless it happens in August so when we enroll kindergarteners we'll start we'll open enrollment in March 10th and and we'll enroll kids all the way up through June and we'll even be you know
032things will be coming in the secretaries come in like once a week and and clear kids through the summer and then there's a group of kids that show up usually about a class of kids shows up in August so we're hedging our bets on how many we think we're g to are going to come and like that happened like eight or nine years ago all of a sudden we lost like 60 kids we already had the teacher sign we're paying the contract once they've they've signed a contract we the teachers you're hiring teachers in August or after school already started and taking them from their kindergarten teacher and you so it's a it's a it's a challenging to do that but yes you're using your best guess and you're relying on your pth what your
033your history has been so having a service like this that then enrolled like those pieces like the construction rates and the birth rates is huge I think the other piece that I would share to that person who asked is the way our CBA is written we just can't walk up to kindergarten teacher number seven and say I'm sorry we don't have enough this year goodbye because our seniority rate things come into play all after May 15th and we can't so we have to do this all get best guess um and let's say we said okay you were the last one hired on August 3rd but that August third hire might have been in seventh grade English well that seventh grade English can't do the kindergarten and and you know if we have really we have
034pretty but we get Kinder we get new students many new students through uh after Labor Day weekend like we're getting new students through that time there's always kids that are coming in and enrolling late but yeah you have to make your best guess you put those kids in class and then there's been times we've had to add a teacher because classes were too big that's a hard that's a hard phone call home like sorry your little guy's been in this class for three weeks but we have to move them and they're going to start basically start over that's tough I think an example of that was we went up 13 students last month now if all of those had been in one Elementary School all of those classes would have been whed in in September
035a lot of the times kids don't start until after the first count dat so for example if if if they're enrolled we can't count them we have to wait until they're actually in the seat so this year our enrollment jumped in September or in October because compared to the first P day in September there weren't as many kids in seats and we can't count them until then um that's a big problem across the country not just in procer um and we've heard that in budget workshops and and and everything is a lot of a lot of kids don't start on the fourth count day of school where where schools get there their count so that also makes it yeah that um Labor Day weekend is the the fourth count day is Friday and then we're
036out Monday and then we have lots of kids show up on Tuesday so we don't get that while we will have better you get it eventually but not for that month and so that's why you'll see the fluctuation but then our actual portion that money stays flat until February so it's always the first five days after the first day of for any District it's the fourth it's the fourth school day that is Count Day on the start of school the districts that a lot of districts on the West Side their first day is always after yeah so it's their fourth day I think the reality is it's not about that weekend like people do what they do and when you have 2 200 kids in a school district you might have 20 show up on
037a different day when school's just starting people are moving they're doing whatever I mean it's not usually people that are here just hanging out and didn't go to school so cheny cheny made a comment the other day during a workshop is sometimes the communication isn't great either and so if you have a kindergartner and you don't know most parents don't think that school starts until after Labor Day and it's after count day um and so their counts get skewed and their teacher amounts get skewed because their their amount that the kids that are in the seats are is not accurate in the fourth day of school ever um so it it becomes a challenge so I'm going to go back to something that was that is going to come up in this discussion whether it's
038today or the next meeting that's where TK comes in and is our friend right because we're prepping those families and especially those with the first student to school right they're the the oldest student child in the family or whatever and then we already have them in and they know the system and they're getting the communication rather than oh my gosh it's Labor Day right and or it's time to go back to school and school's been going for seven days so um we're going to be budgeting using a little bit less than best estimate but not as low as lower um we've working we've worked with Patterson already we know we have 16 16 coming from Patterson um and then we've done our calculations and they're enroll they're getting ready to register for next year for
039running start so we'll be able to verify that before we do the final budgeting piece but that's I think where we're heading right we're about six to 10 below that best estimate that's a big chunk of Revenue so that's the document we're going to leave it up here what we have on letter C is what is this mean right lower enrollment for 2526 and lower enrollment this shows you for the years to come lower enrollment means lower Revenue and costs are going up they're already predicting that our insurance cost is going to be another 30% like 30% above this year's and I we have been in contact with districts all over the area nobody is switching it is not conducive to switch I think UPF front it's cost conducive to switch to this other company
040that's available but from our friendly neighborhood districts it does not work out for them in the end so as crappy as it is to pay a million dollars a year for insurance I don't think that we have any other option right do do you know if uh if they're going to increase the abortion back to cover some of that cost from the state great question so that's what's in the legislature right now you're talking about the big three sped transportation and msto and the idea is that that's what we're asking for to level out the MSO costs um I was at a superintendent meeting today and originally if you think back to when legislator went legislature went into session what was that just about a month ago now they were saying that the State of
041Washington's in a 12 billion doll deficit and out today came 13.3 and so I think the answer is they would like to I really do believe that um but the money is going to come from somewhere where um and where is that going to come from and are we going to get enough are we going to get 30% which would be $240,000 more because if our if our insurance bill let's just say is $800,000 30% right is 240 so we're going to be at 1.04 million this year and are we going to get $240,000 more in moft probably about they didn't even cover it for this year right oh no no I think not even half the well and remember MSO has to cover our other materials operations I mean because we still have paper
042to buy and I mean power to pay for and all everything's going up so it's not just insurance that that's just a bigger chunk and a little harder to swallow yep I think we kind of fixate on it because it's something that's very large it's something we can do the math in our head really quick right right um but um I don't know what the cost of insurance is going to change for medical dental vision right I don't know what the cost of fuel or our utilities like that are going on there's discussion going around in our area um our taxes things like that if you know that you're going to lose let's say 15 kids is it easy Toc Cal what that Revenue loss is or is it simple is just a per kid
043well it is but it isn't and so we use $10,000 a student that's what we use in our heads when we're we're doing math sitting in an office it's like 9,973 or whatever so we we use $10,000 so right and right now that does not include MSO by the way that's just general and so you lose that all more the other thing is is if we look at and and I've been generalizing and and Dan's been helping me with this generalization but I'm doing it as simple as can be we're graduating in the neighborhood of 250 and we're bringing in 170 it's it's that's it's a little 250 that isn't the FTE because there are kids that are running start things it's not it's not that's that's the FTE because they're in running start and
044some have partial schedules and such but the incoming so it doesn't look as bad but think about that 170 by the time they're juniors and seniors and 30 of them go to running start it's 140 and so what I'm trying to explain is if that was if you use that as a general rule of thumb that's $850,000 that has to come out of the budget out of the G go with no increases and no long-term projected enrollment well that's just general fund that that affects all of our program dollars also Big Time Z do they excuse me do they calculate the mck money in the same formula as the abortion R the M's a little bit different um we get a little bit more for high school kids um I can send you the John
045JF sheet that shows what exactly they give us for but I mean bar it's like 160,000 just for high school but only three million change at least according this but right 3.1 y yep and then another 160 on top of that Y for the increased cost but if you lose if you lose students does that how does that affect that number oh it'll so the MSO goes by our ft okay so it goes down just like our abortion and we still have a million doll insurance so and the thing is is with usip they don't we don't even tell them how many the students we have it's by property items um Vehicles all all of that um but I we are not we are not the only ones I am in an email thread with
046all the districts in our area and our our Cort of ESD 123 everybody's having the same isue right and and districts that have changed have felt immense um monetary it's it's been hard it's been hard so upfront they're saving money but if something happens the coverage is not the same I think for those who are listening or going to listen to the recording that is part of like when you'll see the request for qualifications for selling our property it granted those some of those properties don't have high values and whatever but we're trying to save everywhere we can so that when that's taxes that's utilities you can't not heat a building can't right so when we're doing that we're trying to streamline all the way across all of our systems to and and maybe that
047total of that what if it take what if we do save and it wouldn't be this amount but what if we save $50,000 right I mean on buildings that we're not using or property that we're not using stick yeah better that's that's the idea by only keeping and managing and taking care of what we have um so any di Delise anything else we wanted to share with them tonight I wish we had good news but we felt that it was part to start here which is your income your Revenue which is based off enurement and we're going to have these as time goes on but we needed time for people to review it for you to review it to do it so when we feel like we're the bearer of bad news but I I
048am usually the positive person all the time so I'm going to say we are in much better shape than we would have been look at the enrollment jump that we had and that has put us in a better position even though it's still a really big challenge I think the other thing is is you we're nervous about our Reserve we nervous about our cash flow and all those things but there are districts either in our ESD and across the state that have like we had a discussion today there is a a district that has a 0.7 Reserve percent yeah percent 0.7% like not even one whole per right 0.17 of a percent and so so we we don't like being the be about news and Diana's right we are so much better off than others
049but we have to be proactive and long range projecting you know since you've been we since I've been sitting with you you're saying like how are we going to take care of these buildings what are we going to do looking down the long that's what we're trying to prepare that this conversation has to be long range it is not a secret that our state our districts are struggling it is unfortunately it's it's everyone all over um and it's these are not easy conversations Delise what was the number I think four more districts went into binding conditions so I think there's 13 now or 14 14 Binding conditions yes and that means a negative fund balance and they they ended the 2324 school year on a negative fund balance and some of those are little but
050some of those are huge districts so it's not just impacting little or medium or big right huge Seattle area school districts and that's also public record so it's not me saying something I just I mean we see somebody else that's in a terrible financial situation just like a and it we talk and we're like okay we're not we're not the only ones that are struggling right now so it it is a very unfortunate situation but I think especially the districts in our area anyways and how much we communicate with them um everybody is everybody's struggling Frank you got a comment or question yeah I just I was just gonna ask theise if you were going to say come up with a Five-Year Plan on how much we would have to to decrease our budget each
051year would that be roughly an average of 500,000 a year or were we talking a million a year I mean I was just running some quick numbers but I didn't I wasn't quite clear on how many are we does it look like the projected students are dropping about 50 a year right so we we do a projection at the end of the year um with our f190 six um of the next three or four years but those aren't accurate and I think you know our our local estd and Pasco um Travis talks about that all the time we cannot predict things happening like the covid pandemic we can project a four or five year flow but we cannot predict what happens in between um and so yes those projections we do those every year and
052OPI requires those every year but it's very very hard to be accurate in the environment that we're living in that's that's the unfortunate part so we can definitely do that and we do we have one um on the op OPI website um for the next four years um but it's not it's not very accurate at all okay I think I'm gonna say if you look at that best I think I think we could I mean although we won't know funding rates could come up with an estimate of what we would need to cut over the next five years based on this enrollment we could do I'll say the least can do that the Le can do that I can do that okay thank you you know I remember a couple years ago least we I
053don't remember if we saw it in last year's budget but we had we got to see budgets from like five to seven years ago as they progress throughout uh up to the current and the future like plus three years do you remember seeing that do we so our our f195 the the budget document it shows this year and then the last two years on that budget document um but I mean OPI has all of our budget documents on their website uh we can go in and download them and send them off um but every f195 has the current year and then the previous two years budget and actual on it I don't know if I'm remembering this right but we had a really large increase in the budget um I don't remember it was probably
054in 19 or 20 maybe 21 2021 do s probably waser money we had about four million then another couple million I mean it was a lot of money right but I thought it was a little bit larger I wish I'll have to dig it I got it somewhere I'll find it um but it seemed like we had a huge budget Spike I think a lot of it was s money um but I don't know if it came back down as much as without the SRA money it seemed like the budget once it got to a certain point it just stayed there well and I think across the state that's the issue with a lot of districts is all this Esther money came in this influx of dollars and instead of reserving that cash they increased
055their budgets built schools hired extra staff with that money instead of putting it into right I think we were pretty smart as a district the how we used it but uh I think Esser was also one of those things if you didn't use it you lost it right so it wasn't one where you could technically save it so what what I mean districts in general the Le can help me with this di can help what you did was you spent your eser money and tried to save your basic money yeah right does that make sense but um prer used some for buildings we had to use some we Ed some to help offset some construction cost yeah um we used uh we would have our you'll see our data presentation in our um K8 uh
056Ela data we got that curriculum because of Esser um so yeah there's a I mean we definitely reaped some benefits from it things that we maybe wouldn't have been able to do otherwise we did not increase our staff no we did not increase our St we didn't do we didn't hire any stuff which is a blessing because we would be in a way different situation last year and this year than what we are questions comments a lot of information to digest right for sure uh and when's the when will we start the budget cycle again is that April well we we're working on it literally right now um through what we're going to do on our hiring right um what we're doing in projections um this is our first meeting I don't know if we're
057going to because of spring break and so forth we'll do another budget study type um after we get a little further on we have five open contracts right now the psse is the big one majority of our staff and we have athletic coaches we have um sorry p aeop p which is your building secretaries and principles and you know so we sat I we've been sitting down and starting that it's called interest based bargaining and trying to do that um so all of those things are going to come into play um and you know you it's it's kind is what it is this just a lot we're we are committed the three of us are committed to doing a lot more or as much early as we can so that we're not hitting that August
058deadline down to the last minute that's why we decided to have this study session tonight when we might not be everybody's favorite all right any other questions Brian Frank any any additional questions comments well well I'm just hoping that we get some businesses that that move into our area some good things happen I mean we got to we got to try to stay positive I think the hospital opening up I wonder if that's going to have some positive effect um but yeah hope hope the growth could could help with some of this hope I agree um with that uh we have a regular board meeting uh next Wednesday February 26 right here in boardroom at 6: p.m. uh this meeting is adjourned thank you